lounge

[cursive crypt]

... and all them screeching sounds

[proud jay]

real nerds listen to jazz 🤓

[cursive crypt]

Too chaotic

But, yeah, is nice. Occasionally.

Real nerds listen to white noise.

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-gif-8115093

https://tenor.com/view/summertime-will-smith-fresh-prince-dj-jazzy-jeff-time-to-sit-back-and-unwind-gif-18266766

[proud jay]

depends what kind of jazz tbh, free jazz is just garbage

wait nvm, apparently they added generics in Go 1.18

saved

[cursive crypt]

go away

[proud jay]

why 😭

[cursive crypt]

Because "go"

I'm just spelling nonsense while munchin on icecream, was a joke.

What you are using Go for?

[proud jay]

for fun

educational purposes

[cursive crypt]

... which oblivious dude was saying division is as fast as multiplication on cpus?

[proud jay]

to see if I just hate every language that is not C++ or C# or if it is just Rust that sucks ass

spoilers, Rust sucks ass

idk why it's so loved

sure, it has an amazing compiler, but fuck it comes at the cost of developer experience so hard

[cursive crypt]

Kinda... just hyped without really much of benefits. I suppose is easier for some guys. But then, we have lived through Java, C#, Go and etc "killer languages"

[proud jay]

c# is bae though

Rust people are so religious about it though

it's wild

[cursive crypt]

To me is like JavaScript devs went to create system lang, the packages/crates all have fun names.

It is like adding features is solution to how to code.

[proud jay]

yeah

a bunch of the "cool" stuff is fixing nobody's problems

[cursive crypt]

Yesterday I checked out some Rust vs C++ yt videos. Have to admit, their examples were notoriously bad.

Still to see a serious comparision.

[proud jay]

notoriously bad for Rust of for c++?

I see this one youtube channel all the time called NoBoilerPlate or something, it's like the church of Rust

[cursive crypt]

Can't comment on Rust much, tho some commenters said that too.

[proud jay]

but he repeats the same thing every time

and pretends Rust is solution to life

[cursive crypt]

So, an evangelist

[ancient ingot]

dam cat hairs in my keyboard 😡

[proud jay]

my colleague actually bought a second keyboard for his cat to lay on lol

cause it was annoying him so much

[ancient ingot]

aww thats cute

An experiment in Germany that set a new entanglement distance record -- with atoms rather than photons -- could help shed some light on this quirk of the universe.

😮

[proud jay]

if you want to join the church https://www.youtube.com/c/NoBoilerplate

seems they were converted from Clojure

[cursive crypt]

In a search for messiah

[proud jay]

4 years ago: Clojure: Turtles All The Way Down
1 Month ago: Rust: Turtles all the way down

[cursive crypt]

Rust is kinda ~4 years old, iirc

[proud jay]

way older

first release was in 2012

[cursive crypt]

1st stable release 2014

[proud jay]

still 6 years 🥲

[cursive crypt]

Need to ferment more.

[pearl elk]

8 years, its not 2020 anymore 😛

[proud jay]

rip

I skipped corona time

[cursive crypt]

Is normal.

Many people have memory hole

[pearl elk]

1990s was just 10 years ago right?

[proud jay]

nah

that's decennia ago

wasn't even born yet in 1990

[cursive crypt]

... really?

[proud jay]

the universe only started in 1996

[pearl elk]

Quake started the universe

[foggy path]

did you know John Romero's making a new shooter

Probably gonna be called Bigsword

[pearl elk]

is it set in 1996?

[foggy path]

it could be!

it's in UE5 apparently

[pearl elk]

1996 was the best year ever for gaming, prove me wrong 😛

PaRappa the Rapper was released that year

[foggy path]

is that when duke nukem came out

[cursive crypt]

Not sure what I have played back then 🤔

[deep copper]

no u

[cursive crypt]

Was thinking about Duke, lol

[pearl elk]

Mario Kart 64

Diablo

[cursive crypt]

ah, yes

[pearl elk]

Tomb Raider

[cursive crypt]

Never touched her.

[pearl elk]

even Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire was pretty good

Arcades had Metal Slug, Daytona USA, Scud Racer, Area 51, Fighting Vipers

not to mention pinball was still a thing, oh man I miss that, damn pokies 😦

https://tenor.com/view/growing-old-getting-old-grow-old-old-man-becoming-old-gif-17885988

[deep copper]

i just noticed even his clothes change !

[proud jay]

what movie this from

[pearl elk]

Saving Private Ryan, also released in 1996

jk

[deep copper]

i have heard that name before!

[proud jay]

you should've watched it before

[broken sigil]

A really good movie

[ancient ingot]

i cried so much in saving private ryan 😦

[deep copper]

did, they fail to save ryan?

[foggy path]

https://tenor.com/8UHC.gif

[proud jay]

I have never cried over a movie

or much else really

might be dead inside

[foggy path]

yep

[proud jay]

last time I cried was funeral 4 years ago

[deep copper]

time for your autopsy!

[foggy path]

I just don't go to funerals because idgaf

[proud jay]

F

[foggy path]

#DeadInsideLounge

lol

[deep copper]

funerals are kinda sad

no one is having a good time

[foggy path]

I vaguely remember being in the funeral of my grandpa when I was a kid and I just remember we ate good food lol

[proud jay]

you can be sad and have a good time at the same time though

It's sad, but it's a chance to say goodbye to the person

[deep copper]

i don't recall ever being in a funeral 🤔 , pretty sure i went to a few

[deep copper]

destroying public nayr 🤔

[broken sigil]

Tried to create Dead Inside but the imagery was... Questionable...

[proud jay]

how about Alive Inside?

[deep copper]

that looks like a cover for a game or song or something

[proud jay]

why does it look like there's a penguin standing on those clouds

[deep copper]

if you look closely they are kinda zombie like

[deep copper]

exactly!!!!!

that's such an eye catchy thing to add

[broken sigil]

Working on it

[pearl elk]

I bet AI would make a better Star Wars trilogy than Disney 😛

[proud jay]

how do you not hit your subscription limit with all these random prompts lol

[broken sigil]

That's a possibility lol

[broken sigil]

A mystery to all 👀

[deep copper]

Is Blue Man the midjourney ai 🤔

[broken sigil]

Application did not respond

[pearl elk]

--test

[proud jay]

I wonder why he's even named blue man while the man in the pfp is clearly grey

bad AI

[deep copper]

and the name is orange

colorbrind mj

[pearl elk]

I like that, firey red hair

[deep copper]

l

[proud jay]

I don't wanna be alive inside anymore after seeing this

[deep copper]

red eyes burning hair and green mouth

[broken sigil]

These are still some of the best war photos I got from MJ

[slim atlas]

i didnt knew that umg widgets dont function when you dont have a gamemode

that was weird

[deep copper]

l0lul
lVE
[TJ|

[slim atlas]

why do uis not work when there is no gamemode in the level?

[broken sigil]

Never heard of that happening, probably never ran into that

[slim atlas]

yaa

its weird

[pearl elk]

because the HUD is instantiated by gamemode?

[deep copper]

the last is just the industrial revolution xD

[proud jay]

didn't know a game could run without a gamemode

[proud jay]

but with a tank though

[broken sigil]

Lol

[pearl elk]

not sure Id call it running, more like plodding along 😛

[deep copper]

i am transcribing the image!!! ia m still functioning

[deep copper]

looks like a broken car to me 🤔

you know, those that fall into rivers or sewers

[cursive crypt]

Electron in UE, now

[pearl elk]

what about UE on Electron?

[proud jay]

you drive a weird car

[cursive crypt]

So... you are saying, it was quantum engine all along

[pearl elk]

UE Proton when?

[broken sigil]

Tbf they are kinda depressing in some weird way

[proud jay]

I only want unreal Quarks

[deep copper]

Lumen uses actual electrons and photons 🤔

[proud jay]

interesting how consistent the color scheme is

[cursive crypt]

lmao

A lot of consistency, I agree

[pearl elk]

but that doesnt look like lounge

well maybe the third one does alittle

[deep copper]

well they are alive and.. inside 🤔

[broken sigil]

That is true lol

[deep copper]

it also has symmetry 😮

it is definitely copying some composition elements, the first is also some poster like

okay the third has three legs

[pearl elk]

yeah thats obviously me, thats not a leg 😉

[broken sigil]

That's a crutch, you are correct

[proud jay]

the lamp on top is also just someone giving the finger, but turned upside down

[broken sigil]

Lol

[proud jay]

👇

but different finger

[broken sigil]

Giving song lyrics and having it interpret them is also really fun

[pearl elk]

skin is a banned word isnt it

[celest musk]

it's a weird world

you can probably ask for a human body that is split into half

[pearl elk]

These wounds, they will not heal
Fear is how I fall
Confusing what is real```

[broken sigil]

I'm not sure actually

[pearl elk]

I think it is cuz it produces questionable art 😛

[celest musk]

doesn't it either ways? 😄

[broken sigil]

Wounds is banned, skin isn't lol

[pearl elk]

make it these hounds they will not heal 😛

Ive seen some people using AI generated text to use a prompts

curious what would happen if you put in some elvish

[deep copper]

use that inspirobot or whatever

which generated inspiration qoutes

[broken sigil]

Replaced 😅

[proud jay]

does midjourney do emoji prompts?

[broken sigil]

It does

[broken sigil]

I got pictures of very disturbing dogs 😐

[celest musk]

it probably just parses the text from the emoji name?

[broken sigil]

Not sure but it does a very good job

Also this is really cool
Lyrics are (literally just googled some)
falling star fell from your heart and landed in my eyes I screamed aloud, as it tore through them, and now it's left me blind

[celest musk]

do you get similar images when you do the same prompt twice?

or does it add some randomness to it

[broken sigil]

You will rarely get same or similar images, you can use the same seed to get somewhat similar but never the same

[noble plaza]

Are the results similar in art style to the song's album/ cover art?

[broken sigil]

Not sure, let me check

Not really

Lol

Wtf is this lol
It gave me memes for the linkin park lyrics lol

2 is kinda cool tho

[deep copper]

it's trying to say something but idk what

I won't transcribe or laura might start to worry again

[pearl elk]

One thing I dunno why I cant generate a meme no matter how hard I try

[quasi mantle]

I tire so hard and amid got so farful
Even to fail Mattel

[stone whale]

my coffee's gone cold, I'm wondering why I launched UE at all

yeah that's haswell for you alright

[pearl elk]

the launcher always makes me coffee cold

[stone whale]

I made myself a whole pot and was reading something, when I got the urge to go back and look at our weekend's jam project and next thing I know I have barely sipped and it's all room temperature

[proud jay]

either your room is very extremly cold, or you need to get some better hardware

or concentrate on drinking lol

[stone whale]

yeah

I'm easily distracted

[quasi mantle]

Uodated dream drum kit

[proud jay]

why not called dreamkit

why you need so many toms

and 2 snares?

[quasi mantle]

Well, prog rock and jazz influence

[stone whale]

maybe one of them has the mat thing engaged and the other doesn't

[celest musk]

also i see at least one double snare?

[proud jay]

don't "normal" jazz drum kits have 1 less tom than the classical drum

guess depends on subgenre

[pearl elk]

thats a huge drum kit

[quasi mantle]

Also I want it to be capable of playing the In The Air Tonight fill

[pearl elk]

but you need a beer keg if you wanna play Slipknot 😛

[proud jay]

also you need money to buy this set

might have to sell your waifu merch

[pearl elk]

sell the waifu too

[quasi mantle]

Well, I call it "dream drum kit"
It'd be the reference for "icon kit"

Also I happen to know local drum factory, I could order custom kit of that config later on

[proud jay]

if someone offered you this drum in exchange for never being able to look at makoto again, would you do it

[quasi mantle]

No

I also want to play Idolmaster songs with that

[proud jay]

It's been a long time since I touched my drum set

[broken sigil]

I tried so hard and got so far
But in the end it doesn't even matterI had to fall to lose it all
But in the end it doesn't even matter

🤷‍♂️

[proud jay]

nice colors

[broken sigil]

Not quite sure how it got to these but they look good

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqKTwmCmks

I think you could play this on that drum set

[glad condor]

We're hosting polls to learn about what gamers like and dislike about the games they play!
If anyone would vote in our polls or comment their thoughts - It would be greatly appreciated!
https://twitter.com/BulletVilleGame/status/1549712637331705856

BulletVille (@BulletVilleGame)

📊 Poll Time 📊

Lots of games contain lore and deep stories of characters, locations, items and more.

How much do learn about the lore/stories of the games you play?

#gaming #pcgaming #games #gamers #twittergaming #poll #gamedev #indiedev

Twitter · Jul 20, 2022, 11:07 AM

[broken sigil]

This is pretty good too

Didn't look out below
Watch the time go right out the window
Tryin' to hold on, did-didn't even know
I wasted it all just to watch you go```

[quasi mantle]

One game I don't know why

[proud jay]

very random poll, cause for me it depends a lot on the type of game

[broken sigil]

Did you see my Dieter grape?

[proud jay]

I'm not about to get into the lore of COD 37

but like BloodBorne or some RPG yeah

it wasn't it was like grape on computer or something

[glad condor]

We're asking as a general overall - We know theres lots of different games with lots of different levels of lore

[quasi mantle]

It really depends on the genre

[glad condor]

What genres would you guys be interested in lore then?

And what ones would you not care for it in.

[quasi mantle]

Care: role playing games
Not care: shooter games

[proud jay]

that's what I said

smh, smb lore is so deep

[glad condor]

What about shooter games like Overwatch with heroes and named characters?

[proud jay]

that peach backstory so saad

[quasi mantle]

TBH I didn't play much platformers lol

[quasi mantle]

Don't care much

[broken sigil]

Lmao

[celest musk]

xD

[broken sigil]

Perfection

[celest musk]

dieter accepted his fate

[stone whale]

For me lore being interesting or not is completely disjoint from genre

[quasi mantle]

The emphasis of those games are more in the gameplay than the narratives

[celest musk]

soon the dieter emoji will be replaced, too

[proud jay]

can only be temporary grape though, need to represent gang

[stone whale]

I can think of a shooter or puzzler with good story and lore, even though I wouldn't traditionally associate those together

what matters is if you commit to it being a huge part of your game, you better make it good/compelling 🤔

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-would-seem-gif-18723492

[celest musk]

the game better has grapes

[stone whale]

for puzzles, Portal

[glad condor]

So lore should be a very focused part of the game if you're including it - Regardless of genre

[broken sigil]

If anyone else needs grape pfp hit me up 😅

[stone whale]

yeah

I meant the portal franchise

[quasi mantle]

Some Call of Duty games have good story, others have insultingly shit story

||COD Vanguard is the latter, considering Sam Maggs wrote it||

[proud jay]

it should be if your game cares about the lore

it's an aspect of the game

but not required

[broken sigil]

Now I'm off to bed 💤

[stone whale]

I would say it's fine to include a half-assed story, but don't expect it to be a selling point then? not sure how to phrase or frame this

[pearl elk]

grapes are taking over 😮

[glad condor]

Yea that makes sense

[proud jay]

is your pfp 🍇 ?

[timber viper]

!8ball can we ban people talking about grapes

[turbid spindle]

@timber viper, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[pearl elk]

it is indeed lol

[broken sigil]

What have I done lol

[timber viper]

its lesser evil than grapes at this point

[proud jay]

is that a new anime pfp

[timber viper]

yes? lol

[proud jay]

cursed

[glad condor]

Well, thanks to those who shared their thoughts on Lore.
I'll just submit to the grape chat now lol...

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-dot-dot-dot-stick-figure-intresting-gif-23376515

[stone whale]

what about grape fruit

"boo! gtfo here!" the chat declared in unison

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-funny-animal-cat-kitten-cute-gif-14191522

[pearl elk]

The prison for us, though, had a different feel. If it were a prison, its doors were locked. ```

[proud jay]

dis ai?

[stone whale]

it's not a reference that I recognize... but I'm not particularly well-read

reminds me of some of my vacations to foreign cities

[slim atlas]

the nftzone dude is back in #ue5-general 😦

[broken sigil]

Join the grapeolution 🤫

[slim atlas]

nfts are such a plague

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/nooo-no-nope-no-way-screaming-gif-15477187

[carmine frigate]

so far i never met any1 that really cares about nfts

[timber viper]

my ex employee

cares about them so much

[stone whale]

I have, depending on what "really cares" means

I'm not sure I know of anyone who believes they're anything more than a means to get rich

[carmine frigate]

thinks they are usefull or good to invest in

[stone whale]

yeah, no for A, yes for B

[proud jay]

why

[stone whale]

know plenty of B people but nobody who genuinely believes A 😄

[proud jay]

the only value getting out of an NFT is hoping someone in the future is a bigger idiot than you

[stone whale]

precisely

people who pretend otherwise are just playing that game

[slim atlas]

when i see anyone with NFTs

[stone whale]

and trying to recruit idiots

[slim atlas]

i just

scammer

cheater

thief

[carmine frigate]

yea its rarely artist

[stone whale]

It's not something I'll personally ever participate in

[foggy path]

I do see some artists and folks doing that sorta stuff giving nft's praise but they do often acknowledge the ecological concerns

[carmine frigate]

most art nfts are just some1 that grabbed an image from the internet and minted it

[foggy path]

but yeah the ones who are loudest about them are usually the fanboys who buy into the hype, or people who have something to gain from it in some way

[noble plaza]

I remember the insane hype a year ago, future of art and all that

[stone whale]

the mechanics are obtuse and technical enough that you can hide a lot of BS

[foggy path]

I dunno if they really are, people just like making it seem more magical than it is

[stone whale]

I'm sure most people in our circles dismissed NFTs right off the bat but the general public isn't as well versed in cryptography and tech in general

I've yet to even see a super compelling use case for blockchain in general, that couldn't be achieved with more traditional means

[proud jay]

NFTs can be interesting in some cases

[noble plaza]

Everyone saw that meteoric BTC rise, and doesn't want to miss out on the next one, planet Earth be damned

[proud jay]

but not really better than any centralized solution tbh

[quasi mantle]

This is Nick Menza's playing, isn't it?

[noble plaza]

Why bother with renewables when people find creative ways to burn extra energy to offset the renewables anyway

[slim atlas]

minecraft crashed

fuck

[stone whale]

a lot of NFT "use cases" look like username/password and some flags on those accounts, except with extra steps

[slim atlas]

did you know

they tried to make NFT color

[quasi mantle]

Also that one time Vinnie Colaiuta played for Megadeth once

[slim atlas]

where you own a specific color

with a hex code and all

[celest musk]

xD

[slim atlas]

yes!

this existed

they had a whole webpage

[stone whale]

it's exactly the same thing as people selling the rights to stars or to name stars or whatever

[celest musk]

so which color did you buy?

[quasi mantle]

Is it 24-bit, or 32-bit?

[stone whale]

or plots of land on the moon

[noble plaza]

Wonder what hppens when the 16.77 million run out

[pearl elk]

Id say so yeah

[stone whale]

invent a purely fictional thing to sell that you don't actually have any rights to, and find people willing to pay you for it

[proud jay]

who wants to buy NFT of my pinky finger

[stone whale]

snake oil, scams, etc. all are eternal

[timber viper]

@proud jay it says on the news Belgium and France is 20 degrees hotter than its usual

it sounds like metal would melt at that rate

[proud jay]

yesterday was wild

today is nice

some rain, some wind

[pearl elk]

Immortal Grape

[foggy path]

The one mildly appealing usecase I've heard is an easier integration into payments because you can just integrate directly with say Etherium or w/e... comparable APIs are limited

[proud jay]

yesterday was 40 degrees 😓

[slim atlas]

and dont forget the technoblade last moments NFT... with a cute picture of technoblade on lifesupport.

[proud jay]

I went to the office just for the AC

came outside and almost cooked alive

[carmine frigate]

@stone whale Victor Lustig sold the eiffel tower 2 times 🙂

[slim atlas]

owninator!!!!!!!!!

[stone whale]

Up here the weather is still perfectly reasonable

[slim atlas]

DIDNT WE MAKE GAMEJAM GAMES TOGETHER BOY???

[timber viper]

Hopefully it'll get better after Aug

[stone whale]

like 20-25 celcius

[proud jay]

I think you overestimate the average temp in belgium

[carmine frigate]

@slim atlas not with the name u use now

[slim atlas]

We made that allah game

[proud jay]

by give or take 1000 degrees

[slim atlas]

where you shoot alexander ehads

in the studio we recreated 😄

[carmine frigate]

owl 🙂

[slim atlas]

hellooo

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-there-hi-whats-up-head-roll-lets-dance-gif-4783428

[slim atlas]

why did we stop owni

https://tenor.com/view/owl-gif-24544692

that were glorious times owni.

[carmine frigate]

I dunno, could do the next1 mayB if its not too hot

[stone whale]

yeah imagine weather hotter than jet fuel

[timber viper]

it actually says 25degrees on web, its usually 30 degrees in where I live 🤔 Is humidity too much?

[slim atlas]

when is the next?

[carmine frigate]

i dunno 🙂

[timber viper]

it shouldnt affect that much under 30 degrees

[slim atlas]

owni we need to do another gamejam together!!!!!

LAW DEMANDS IT

[carmine frigate]

its a date 🙂

[stone whale]

I mean humidity doesn't affect temperature

[carmine frigate]

but i dont have the date yet 😛

[proud jay]

you mean in july? cause average on yearly basis is definitely not 25

[stone whale]

if your thermometer in the shade says 30 degrees, that's how hot it is

[slim atlas]

WE KNOW EACH OTHER since 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 years

[stone whale]

ofc the weather measurement stations are positioned differently than our thermometers at home, which can be in hot pockets of air for various reasons

[proud jay]

also mean temp in july in brussels is 18.5 degrees apparently?

ngl that seems colder than I would think

[noble plaza]

It affects bodily perception of temperature though

[timber viper]

how much was it yesterday

[cursive crypt]

At least 3

[stone whale]

yup

[proud jay]

39 here in Ghent

[timber viper]

oh yea thats wild

[proud jay]

currently 22 though, very chill

[timber viper]

10 degrees more and asphalt would melt

[proud jay]

there was some airport tarmac melting in the UK yesterday actually lol

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/extreme-heat-in-uk-disrupts-air-travel-melts-airport-runway/

[stone whale]

that's crazy man, I dunno why we're spared up here in the nordics

oh wow, sweden looks pretty rough too -- I guess I'm just lucky

[noble plaza]

I'm moving up haha

[proud jay]

I guess it depends where

[noble plaza]

But it's cooler and more temperature in general

[proud jay]

south of Finland was pretty warm in summer as well tbh

had 35 degrees at some point when I lived there

[noble plaza]

I went from Switzerland -> Norway and it was like a 20 degree drop in August, mad shit

[stone whale]

It is, usually

but it's cool here now

last month we had a heat wave around Helsinki as well

[proud jay]

used to live in Kotka

[stone whale]

but right now it's like 22 degrees, which is perfect

I've only been to Kotka a couple of times

in terms of weather though it's generally identical

[stone whale]

in switzerland, don't you just need to go up a mountain to cool down? 🤔

[slim atlas]

its nearly 40 degrees here

[proud jay]

excuse me?

oh

edit makes it better

[slim atlas]

alot

[foggy path]

They just have some toblerone

[noble plaza]

I live in hot desert land normally, IDK. I was in Switzerland for the FIFA museum TBH

[slim atlas]

nearly flipped

[noble plaza]

I was sad I couldn't have raclerc in the summer though

[stone whale]

oh

[proud jay]

raclerc?

you mean raclet?

or not cheese

[noble plaza]

That's the one, there's a summer one apparently, but I didn't get to sampling it

But yeah, imagine living in a barely habitable country and not giving a fuck about global warming lol

( 🦘 )

[quasi mantle]

40°C?

[slim atlas]

yes

germany

[noble plaza]

I felt hotter in Zurich than I ever have in Australia lol

Those houses are not built for cooling, many didn't even have fans 😦

[quasi mantle]

Was it the whole northern europe?

[timber viper]

its one of the hottest days this month, and its still cool

[quasi mantle]

It's still hovering around 30°C for me

Though midnight can be quite cold (around 20°C)

[foggy path]

my apartment gets to be 30 C inside if it's 30 C outside for longer than a day or two

which is fun

[stone whale]

yeah, same...

I'm on a south facing wall in the northern hemisphere

[pearl elk]

man I wish it was summer

[stone whale]

with no AC (although I've been planning on having one installed for like two years now)

[foggy path]

Yeah when we had the heatwave last month I was again debating it lol

got to 29 C at the time and highest I've recorded indoors is 31 or so...

At least I got a confirmation from the housing coop that they do allow installing AC's, but I don't know if anyone else here actually has one yet so might be the first to do so

top floor south facing, wall's basically nothing but window, so my apartment might be the worst in terms of the heat situation lol

[quasi mantle]

That makes me wonder, how do you guys survive coldest winters up there

[foggy path]

that's the thing with insulation

[pearl elk]

do you guys have radiators, just put a freezer unit on it instead of a heat one 😛

[foggy path]

it takes a while before the apartment heats up but once it does it takes fucking ages for it to cool down

in winter it works the opposite + of course there's heating systems but we just don't have any cooling systems because it's not been a problem in the past :P

[stone whale]

yeah in our board meeting last year we laid out formally what the process of having an AC installation plan approved and executed would be

so it's definitely allowed now, I've just been dragging my feet

[quasi mantle]

Like I can't even fathom how you could survive below 0°C

[stone whale]

-25 easy

[foggy path]

my apartment is a solid 24 C at -30 C outdoor temp lol

[stone whale]

yeah, like zomg said it's all about having systems for adding heat but not having systems for removing it

[pearl elk]

minus 30.... 0C is cold enough 🥶

[quasi mantle]

What if you want to go out?

[noble plaza]

Yeah when I moved to Australia I had never experienced such colds indoors lol. Houses are colder here than the outdoors is, which is mad

[foggy path]

You just put on a bunch of warm clothes

[stone whale]

you don't go out

[pearl elk]

if it were 30c I wouldnt be inside tell ya that

[noble plaza]

Used to being snowed in and living in toasty comfort in front of wood fires

[foggy path]

cold is easier to deal with than hot... with cold you just put on some more/warmer clothes

with hot there's a point where you can't take off clothes anymore lol

[celest musk]

also it takes more energy for the body to cool down compared to heating it up

[stone whale]

does it? 🤔

[foggy path]

just plain -30 C is not that bad if you wear good winter clothing... but if it's windy in -30 C then it gets pretty fucking cold lol

[proud jay]

lol why does this need a board meeting

[stone whale]

I mean one of those burns calories, the other is mostly based on evaporating away water

[proud jay]

-27 degrees was pretty liveable in finland in winter

[stone whale]

Because it wasn't in any of the agreements before then

[celest musk]

https://www.acefitness.org/resources/everyone/blog/1061/do-i-burn-more-calories-when-it-is-hot-outside-or-cold/#:~:text=In hot weather%2C it takes,at a temperature near freezing. at least according to the internet 😄

[stone whale]

Yeah we operate fine when it's cold -- it's heat that is unusual for us

[noble plaza]

Used to love layovers in Moscow, -20 but no problems. Then get to the destination, -5 but windy as fuck, and your bones are FREEZING

[foggy path]

lol yeah

[stone whale]

wind chill factor, yeah

[noble plaza]

Our capital is like almost 1KM altitude IIRC, always windy as fuck. The water is crisp though 💪

Used to get to not go to school if it was windy, as I couldn't walk up the hill without sliding back down lol

Good times

[proud jay]

lol

where is that

[foggy path]

I live in a city at the coast but it's usually not that windy here

[stone whale]

this is specifically in the context of exercising

[foggy path]

I was in Chicago once and they're not lying when they call it the windy city

[stone whale]

if you're already running or whatever anyway, and get to just "write off" that energy expenditure, then yeah doing it in warm weather is harder than in cool weather

[foggy path]

We were on the outskirts of the city at some business park and tried to get from parking lot to building and oh man it was a struggle with how hard it was blowing lol

[pearl elk]

do you have beaches?

[noble plaza]

Somewere on the right

[foggy path]

and when we arrived at the airport the pilot had to slam the plane down really hard because it was blowing sideways so badly :P

[foggy path]

Some

[proud jay]

brother, what country?

[stone whale]

who doesn't have beaches? 😮

assuming one isn't landlocked of course

[proud jay]

all countries not next to an ocean?

[noble plaza]

Haha damn ok I'll give it away 🇬🇪

[foggy path]

we have so many lakes even cities not bordering an ocean have beaches lol

[pearl elk]

Im entirely surrounded by beaches 🙂

[proud jay]

georgia?

[stone whale]

I mean a lot of the shoreline around Helsinki is kind of rocky I guess...

[noble plaza]

That's te one

[proud jay]

that city looks kinda nice though

[proud jay]

are you stuck on an island

[stone whale]

hence the calamari

[noble plaza]

Miss it, mostly the food. Can't go back without doing military service. Safe from that in AU, not so from spiders hah

[pearl elk]

its a mythical island where actors are paid to pretend to be their own nation

[proud jay]

why australia?

was it for Pink girl?

[noble plaza]

This is probably the flattest run in the city though, it's a lot hillier in other places where the river isn't flowing

[pearl elk]

living on a peninsula helps too 😛

[noble plaza]

Fuck knows, one of my parents moved here and I joined them. Did high school, now uni, and want to move back to Europe though

[proud jay]

ah I see

[noble plaza]

Miss the cold, miss being able to travel. Miss not sweating balls constantly

Though the last one... hah

[stone whale]

over here you're exempt from military service at 30+

[proud jay]

over here there is no military service

[noble plaza]

Yeah in Georgia it's 27, or you uh, 'donate' like US$10k

[pearl elk]

just gotta get used to it, by all accounts Earth aint getting any cooler

[stone whale]

so you can go back, you just gotta wait

[noble plaza]

Yeah I'm close-ish to it, but like 9 years without being able to go back there has killed most family ties ATM. Doesn't seem like an intended consequence

More than happy to let the Ukraine thing resolve before I even think about going back too 🙃

[stone whale]

yeah georgia had its own ukraine-esque situation as I recall

[pearl elk]

its the humidity which gets to me, when its stinking hot and wet

[proud jay]

have you tried turning off the shower?

[noble plaza]

2008, I moved away a little bit after that 😦

[noble plaza]

QLD?

[pearl elk]

lol in the NT and QLD you dont need to shower you just go outside

[foggy path]

just move to sweden instead of georgia

your discord name would fit right in

[proud jay]

or anything in EU

[noble plaza]

Hah imagine me in QLD just fucking dying in the heat, trying to play sports outdoors. It's death

[proud jay]

EU masterrace

[stone whale]

It does seem surprisingly swedish for some reason

[noble plaza]

I'm thinking about it 😉

[foggy path]

That's because Skog in swedish means forest lol

[noble plaza]

It is, there was a Swedish CS player called f0rest, flipped it to sk0g

I think it's skog in most Scandinavian languages though

[stone whale]

ah

[proud jay]

biggest drawback to Sweden is the housing in cities lol

waiting lists of years to get an appartmnet

[foggy path]

depends on what you include in scandinavian languages

[stone whale]

Can you tell I didn't particularly enjoy having to learn swedish in school?

lol

[noble plaza]

Every city has a housing crisis I swear

[foggy path]

I'd imagine it's probably something like skog in norwegian as well but no idea about danish

[noble plaza]

No Suomi takk

[foggy path]

yeah in finnish it's nothing like skog lol

[stone whale]

explicitly not scandinavian

[noble plaza]

I thought written Danish and Norwegian were very similar

Spoken, on the other hand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

[foggy path]

yeah norwegian seems similar on a bunch of levels, they just replace o's with the ones with a line through them sometimes and add a few letters here and there

[noble plaza]

This is an absolute classic

[proud jay]

there's a difference between costing tons of money, and just not having anything open for rent

[foggy path]

it's fucking stupid that houses cost more every time

[proud jay]

are the danish the ones that speak like they have throat cancer or is that norwegian

[foggy path]

they should lose value like cars

[noble plaza]

Danish forsure

[foggy path]

why the fuck should I pay 300k for some piece of shit house built in the 70s?

[proud jay]

because there's only so much land to build on

[noble plaza]

Norwegians sound like they are singing, Oslo especially. West and North it gets a bit more wild and varied

[proud jay]

more people more scarcity

[cursive crypt]

Coz there is someone else who gonna pay 400k

[foggy path]

lol

sounds like an nft

[proud jay]

also a house is quite necessary to live, cars less so

you can't just decide to not buy/rent a house/flat

[cursive crypt]

I heard some corp/funds investing in properties do really bid much higher. They have the money, they know it will return their investment.

[proud jay]

yeah investing corporations are fucking it up a lot harder and faster

NL has lasw against that now afaik

[foggy path]

you should watch The Big Short lol

[proud jay]

Canada as well recently I think?

in the big short they're not buying houses though

they're buying the loans

packaged to look better

[stone whale]

I dread the day when I decide I need more than a single bedroom apartment -- don't fancy shopping for land or housing if it the market goes out of control here as well

[timber viper]

caravans go brr

[foggy path]

Yeah but it goes into the whole corps getting a return on their investment thing

they might not

[proud jay]

where you gonna park it

[foggy path]

:P

[stone whale]

trailer park, boys

[timber viper]

Anywhere that it's fit

Unless Belgium prevents that with a law? 😄

[proud jay]

you can't justt park that shit anywhere

yeah

[timber viper]

In Turkiye you can

just dont prevent traffic

[proud jay]

sleep in middle of crossroads

there's even laws about putting trailers/caravans on your own property

cause fuck you that's why

[noble plaza]

Allemansratten II time

[cursive crypt]

Here, caravans/campers can be parked anywhere as the other vehicles. However, if you make it look like a camping, then it is only on dedicated places.

[noble plaza]

Let people sleep in the woods. Go back to the good old hunter-gatherer times

[timber viper]

yes

[foggy path]

I think you can camp on people's lands here... the only thing you need permission for is making an open fire I think

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/caravan-bbc-caravan-crash-caravan-jump-gif-11294286

[stone whale]

there are other limitations too, on things like messing with trees or moss or whatever

[proud jay]

yeah and it actually looks kinda nice

[foggy path]

Yeah Stray seems to have had a pretty positive reception

[noble plaza]

Fuck this, NL is easier anyway. Less tax, can get a random tilted house in Spartrecht or something that has train lines going to Estonia in 50 minutes somehow

[proud jay]

what

NL to estonia in 50 min?

you tripping?

[noble plaza]

NL, for sure

[stone whale]

which reminds me, I need try interrail one of these years

[proud jay]

cost of living is quite high in NL afaik

[noble plaza]

I was joking, but the trains go pretty well in NL. Not too fast, but they're pleasant

[proud jay]

also houses in cities are insane

[noble plaza]

I live in Australia 😄 Only country I've seen worse so far has been Norway, even Switzerland was cheaper in some regards, from tourism PoV at least

[proud jay]

they banned investors from buying in big cities

[noble plaza]

I thought a lot of people lived in Utrecht or something even if working in Amsterdam

[stone whale]

it makes sense to limit people with extra cash just buying up all the housing to rent for sure

[noble plaza]

PS is WFH common in Europe still, or going back to in-office more now?

[proud jay]

depends lol

I can still work 60% from home

[stone whale]

yeah I'm 100% remote still

[proud jay]

but I've seen lots of job offers 100% on site

[stone whale]

but I was already mostly working from home before the pandemic

[noble plaza]

I think every house you own and do not live in should net you extra duties, compounding severely. Then you ca use houses for what they are - a place to live in, or pay duties that could make investment unprofitable.

[stone whale]

yeah that's where I'm at politically, myself

[foggy path]

There was a thing I saw recently which suggested that landlords are useless

[noble plaza]

I'm getting lots of 2 in-office days too, and the recruiters are like "flexible WFH 3 days a week!" Sweet, but I've had 5 for 3 years and now I have to spend 1+ hour a day dying in public transport

[foggy path]

they provide no extra value

[proud jay]

you mean taxes?

[foggy path]

which is.. kind of true if you think about it

[noble plaza]

jupp

[proud jay]

second properties are already more heavily taxed in belgium

for some reason, income from rent is not taxed though

truly crazy world

unless it is your main source of income

[noble plaza]

Bruh you can negative gear houses here - if you earn less from rent than mortgage, it gives you tax write-offs... The fuck

[stone whale]

regulatory capture? 😛

[proud jay]

wtf

so houses are literally seen as investment

[noble plaza]

Profits go to the landlords, losses come out of government coffers almost literally

[proud jay]

so housing is basically free if you can pay the loan upfront cost

[foggy path]

tax writeoffs aren't straight up discounts tho... if you get a write off for your loss in rents, say 200 eur, it gets deducted from the taxable income and it might be say only an actual 100 eur reduction in the total tax

[pearl elk]

all to keep the building industry propped up

[foggy path]

but yeah they are a bit iffy in some ways

[noble plaza]

Media constantly has stories about people builing real estate portfolios at 25 and shit. The Aussie dream is just to buy 10 houses and do nothing else with your life

[proud jay]

I wish I could buy 25 houses lol

gonna need most of my money just to buy 1

[noble plaza]

I know, but a lot of these people are also running their own businesses, and practicing uh, creative accounting

[foggy path]

people are using some crazy debt leverage for that shit

it's already showing signs that the market is not going to last, those people are going to be so fucked

[stone whale]

a small loan of a million dollars is all you need really

[foggy path]

well in that case it's just a regular crime and that's what should be blamed here lol

[proud jay]

what is way more important in life is

having rich parents

then you're gucchi

[noble plaza]

Not in my city I don't think, we've got the big old Olympics coming up, which is going to be fun

[stone whale]

"fine" just means "legal for rich people"

[proud jay]

so true

[foggy path]

usually what happens after the olympics is that nobody cares anymore tho lol

[proud jay]

used to know a millionaire, he literally drove through all red lights at night cause the fine couldn't bother him

[noble plaza]

Australian income tax revenue is higher than business tax revenue lmao, I don't know in what world that makes sense

[pearl elk]

yeah what happened to Sydney, no one cares about that place any more 😛

[noble plaza]

You can do that like, 3 times here, and then you've lost your license. 1-2 times if you're going fast enough haha

[proud jay]

can I introduce you to belgium

[foggy path]

who cares about cities named after people.. Sydney, Douglas, etc.

[proud jay]

taxes go brrrr

[noble plaza]

Real cool cities are named after epic shit, like Hel

[foggy path]

in Finland we have much cooler names, like Varkaus which literally means "Theft".. or Pöljä which means "idiot"

[stone whale]

hell sin key

I don't think I've ever lived in a city whose name means anything

[noble plaza]

What does Jyvasylaa mean though

[foggy path]

an old coworker of mine came back from an Iron Maiden gig on flight 666 to HEL

[stone whale]

seed... village?

[proud jay]

we have cities like Brugge, which mean bridge

[noble plaza]

I can't accent

[foggy path]

not even making this up lol

[proud jay]

The name of Brussels actually comes from ancient word for swamp

[stone whale]

Jyväskylä means something like "grain kernel village"

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-what-are-you-doing-in-my-swamp-swamp-gif-22162082

we also have a city called pear like 🍐

also a city called "Reet" which is dutch for ass

also Kontich, kont is also dutch for ass

[foggy path]

lol

[pearl elk]

or Tartarus

[proud jay]

also Aartselaar, aars is also dutch for ass

[noble plaza]

Yahoo translate used to translate Jyvaskyla to Brisbane for some reason. Following Finnish metal bands was hard

[proud jay]

the place between these 3 cities is actually called "the anal triangle"

[foggy path]

Yeah there was a weird phase for google translate where it translated city names in weird ways

I think it mostly does not do that anymore nowadays

[noble plaza]

Nah m8 there's always Knobby Head

[pearl elk]

but have you been to Woolloomooloo?

or Manangatang

[proud jay]

we also have Kortrijk, which means short empire

very creative names

[noble plaza]

That sounds Indo hah

[foggy path]

we have a city in finland literally called New City

Uusikaupunki

[proud jay]

we have nieuwpoort, which is new gate

but also new port, which is more accurate

[noble plaza]

Newcastle is a thing too I guess, both UK and AU

[proud jay]

there's actually a town in NL unironically called Rectum

[pearl elk]

should go to Bubble Bubble

[noble plaza]

That's not the Dutch word for it, is it?

[proud jay]

it is one of the words used

[noble plaza]

Wagga Wagga, every fourth Aussie town/burb sounds like a cartoon SFX

[pearl elk]

I was gonna go to Humpybong once

[proud jay]

cause it's the latin name I guess

[pearl elk]

but I got sidetracked and ended up in Quality Knob instead 😛

[sage ermine]

Erm... anyone else having trouble logging in to the launcher?

[proud jay]

no

mainly because I'm not trying to log in

[sage ermine]

that'll do it

[noble plaza]

Seems fine, but yeah not logging in fresh either

[sage ermine]

aight, seems to have come right...

[pearl elk]

I could go to Bumcooler Flat, thats not far from here

[sage ermine]

got weird there for a sec

[noble plaza]

I got creeped out a lil but I signed up with my MS mail/ Xbox account. Apparently you can still sign in, with the same credentials, while treating it as an Epic account.

I thought it would be SSO not just handing off my credentials as they are, but oh fucking well

[proud jay]

how would that work though

they can't just pass on your password

your email sure, but you'd still need to enter a password right

[noble plaza]

Pretty sure they did

[pearl elk]

aww why not, passwords dont work anyways

its all bout dem passkeys now

[noble plaza]

I always signed in with the Xbox log in, but then read that you can just sign in, same credentials, but as an Epic account instead. It worked, somehow

[proud jay]

hmm

[noble plaza]

I assumed Xbox login was token-auth, but it seems to exchange credentials. Or tunnel the credentials depending on the email, but that sounds unlikely

[pearl elk]

your xbox login isnt a windows login too by any chance

[noble plaza]

Ever, yes. Currently, no.

I didn't think that'd make a difference?

It's just an @zinc matrix.com credential, which nicely forwarded auth to the Xbox app I had installed anyway in the past. Was annoying to sign in from other devices though

[pearl elk]

yeah see thats basically a MS account if youre already logged in on Windows maybe it is token-auth on the OS end

so all Epic does it support that through their app

[carmine frigate]

@proud jay Razer has a mouse called : Boomslang

[noble plaza]

Wouldn't work on this device though, as I haven't logged in to the OS. And I've logged in with those credentials on my phone too

[carmine frigate]

with a picture of a snake

[noble plaza]

It's Razer haha

Snakiest brand 2KXX

[proud jay]

slang = snake

boomslang = tree snake

[carmine frigate]

yea boom is tree

[pearl elk]

Razer Boomerang

[carmine frigate]

allways make me laugh

[pearl elk]

its for boomers

[noble plaza]

There's a CS:GO pro who's handle is just boombl4, which is quasi-Cyrillic for boom bitch, but it doesn't get censored for reasons 🤔

[carmine frigate]

slang in english is something like slur right

[foggy path]

Razer made a product called the Boomer Speed actually

that was another name for the original Boomslang

[noble plaza]

No, slur is like an offensive slang I guess

[proud jay]

slang in english is like non official word usage

[noble plaza]

slang is just informal word for something

[proud jay]

like boomer, is not a word officially, but it is used, so it's slang

except if it is official word at this point idk

but you get the idea

[noble plaza]

baby boomer?

[foggy path]

https://tenor.com/Zn6R.gif

[carmine frigate]

anyways when u say it in english it sounds pretty dope, in dutch not so much 😛

[noble plaza]

I'd say like "yeet", WTF even is that word? Still, everyone knows what it is

[knotty skiff]

Why does Low Graphics Setting looks like Stylized Cartoon games

[foggy path]

it's like swag and bruh

[noble plaza]

I'm just sad Hoegaarden isn't pronounced Hoe-Garden

[foggy path]

you just mix it in when you do stuff like dabbing

[knotty skiff]

Throwing stuff as far as you can

Like

[foggy path]

you do like a dab and go YEET

[proud jay]

I was confused cause I read it in dutch twice

[knotty skiff]

"YEET THE BABY!! DO IT!! YEET IT NOW!!"

[foggy path]

yeet at the haters

[noble plaza]

Dutch is like who-()arden right? Brackets because the g is chaos

[pearl elk]

Nooberslang

[noble plaza]

xshgk

[proud jay]

yeah but with long a

[noble plaza]

Hm yeah, AU accent garden has a very long a too so I left that change out

But yeah, I thought it was pronounced hoe garden. Good times

[pearl elk]

surely I can find those somewhere though

[noble plaza]

find wot?

[pearl elk]

wheat beer

[noble plaza]

Fuck yeah man, there's a sick one that's like a Berliner blueberry (I think) wheat beer, it slaps. Get it at Dan's usually

[proud jay]

I don't know any person named Dan, sorry

[noble plaza]

I'm kinda partial to the weirdest of beers, and they keep going out of stock. Korean hite, Norwegian Isbjorn, and the Dutch Hollandia 500mL packs as a last resort. Usually can't find any of them now

[proud jay]

that's some weak ass beer though

[noble plaza]

Dan is real
https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_59828/culture-house-raspberry-berliner-weisse-beer-cans-375ml

[proud jay]

so is it australia or isreal

make up your mind

[noble plaza]

I never said Israel lol

[pearl elk]

ausrealia

[proud jay]

here

was joke

[noble plaza]

Oh 😦

[proud jay]

drinking beer out of a can is sinful though

pls stop

[pearl elk]

acccess denied 😦

[noble plaza]

ik ben kartofel

[knotty skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/meeting-isreal-very-cool-unreal-gif-18422505

[proud jay]

now you're just mixing dutch and german

[noble plaza]

Don't you mean German and swamp German?

[proud jay]

this is some good beer https://www.omervanderghinste.be/nl/onze-bieren/tripel-lefort

[pearl elk]

Azraelia

[noble plaza]

hahahahaha no

I see tripel, I duck out

I don't want to die again

[proud jay]

lol

is that dying?

this one is good as well https://www.sintbernardus.be/nl/brouwerij/onze-bieren/stbernardus-tripel

[noble plaza]

They taste too good for how strong they are. My Belgian friend was definitely fucking with me though

[proud jay]

Duvel is also good

fucking with you how

you're not supposed to slam 8 of them down in an hour

[noble plaza]

I tried this in Zurich, and it wasn't really drinkable

I finished it, but shit was sweet as babies

[proud jay]

of course

who drinks dutch beer

might as well drink your own piss

[timber viper]

I dont like Amsterdam beer

[pearl elk]

I only drink from the hoe garden

[timber viper]

Its bitter af

[carmine frigate]

ehm... Heineken

[proud jay]

you confirm my point

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cerveza-heineken-beer-lights-off-gif-14529455

[proud jay]

that is actually just a bottle of piss

[timber viper]

I'm trying to find a Heineken around markets but no luck

[noble plaza]

She was egging me on but I'm pretty sure she was matching me with different drinks, duvels maybe

[proud jay]

duvel is as heavy as tripels though

depending on the tripel

but duvel is 8,5%

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tuborg-beer-bottle-gif-22564558

[noble plaza]

But also, med student and BE has the least healthy student drinking culture ever apparently

[timber viper]

tuborg ftw

[proud jay]

yeah it's problematic

people literally drinking themselves into a coma sometimes

idk why people just wanna get wasted

[noble plaza]

Yeah she was telling me about several friends needing ambulances after some saint's something night and uh... That just sounds like wanting to die

[proud jay]

well we do have quite high suicide rates to complement it

[noble plaza]

So yeah, no match for her alcohol tolerance at the best of times anyway

Then my German friend let me order 1L wheat beer and started laughing at me the moment it came out, because she knew I wouldn't be able to eat food

[proud jay]

but just having a chill evening with 2-3 heavy beers is way nicer to me

[noble plaza]

All my European friends just enjoy fucking with me I swear

I drink one and feel sleepy 😄 I used to drink much more regularly in party houses, been like a can or two a week recently for me

[foggy path]

drinking alcohol seems pretty pointless to me

[noble plaza]

I'd ask for recommendations but not sure if I could get anything here.

Actually, I'm in Europe soon anyway, need a bucket list. Might as well make an alcohol one

[carmine frigate]

with this heat i really need to watch it, i can drink a beer in 5 min now 😛

[scarlet cedar]

Front end webdev is actual cancer. I feel sorry for anyone who does it for a living

[foggy path]

Comments like that is what makes it cancer

:P

[proud jay]

he's right though

[noble plaza]

Svelte is the cure to all cancers.

[proud jay]

front end bad

[foggy path]

Svelte

[noble plaza]

Unity's getting front-end embedded in UIs lol

[scarlet cedar]

No it's really not. If I want to use a js lib I have to install and use like 5 other pieces of software on top of that like webpack and/or typescript plus if one or both of those don't fit into my tech stack then I either can't use them or I have to shoehorn in some extra piece of abandonware to make it work

[noble plaza]

That's pretty much modern software development summarised though

[foggy path]

"have to use typescript"? what? that's not a thing

[proud jay]

isn't 70% of JS development just installing libraries?

[noble plaza]

Alternating between npm i and rm -rf .node_modules/ lol

[foggy path]

I don't know what kind of development people are doing if they think JS is somehow worse than anything else

Everything is a fucking shitshow lol

[scarlet cedar]

I'm not using node though which is shit because all the libraries I want only have a node download

[foggy path]

npm at the very least is an excellent tool and much better than equivalent tools in many other ecosystems

[proud jay]

JS is the worst shitshow ever

join the c# side

backend bae

[foggy path]

Don't think that's entirely smooth sailing either :P

[scarlet cedar]

Ye I'm asp.net core with razor pages but.. Gotta be JavaScript somewhere

[foggy path]

Node is pretty good imo since the ecosystem just works very seamlessly

I guess NuGet is somewhat there as well

[proud jay]

somewhat?

it's just there

but also .Net is solid

[noble plaza]

JS as a language is wacky as fuck, lots of inconsistent and surprising behaviour

[proud jay]

I don't need 16457 libraries to print hello world

[foggy path]

Well I've not used it in a sufficiently large scale system to say whether it handles dependency issues as well as npm does

[slim atlas]

guys

[noble plaza]

You don't need any in JS either

[slim atlas]

i am updating my project

from 4.26 to 4.27

[foggy path]

Not really, people just make it out like it is

[slim atlas]

isnt that amazing

[proud jay]

why not to 5?

[foggy path]

All weakly typed langs like JS have those same edge cases

[proud jay]

weakly typed 🤢

[noble plaza]

I'm speaking from my experience

I do mostly use strongly typed languages though

[slim atlas]

it wouldnt work on ue5 tbf

this project is over 2 years old

the code will break first

[noble plaza]

Python's still less surprising IMO

[slim atlas]

most of the plugins i use are not on ue5 too

[foggy path]

I've been programming for 20 years, and this includes tons of both dynamic and strong typed languages.... JS has its oddities, but so does literally everything else lol

[proud jay]

at least python has type hints now that you can use 🥲

[foggy path]

People who say shit like "X is cancer" have no fucking idea what they're talking about :p

[proud jay]

it's just an extreme way of saying "I don't like it"

[foggy path]

I get that sometimes work is stressful and you feel like venting but saying that is pretty nonconstructive

Usually people who say those kinds of extreme things about stuff tend to not actually fully understand the tools they're working with, or haven't worked with other tools enough to actually see that it's not really any different elsewhere

[carmine frigate]

or never had cancer

[proud jay]

everything has its advantages and disadvantages

[foggy path]

lol

[noble plaza]

I didn't say anything is cancer

[proud jay]

I just don't like working with JS all that much personally

but mainly cause I don't like front end stuff, where it is used most often

[noble plaza]

Feels like coding while playing with Russian Roulette, though TS is much nicer

[proud jay]

I have worked on some Node.JS backend, that was ok-ish to work with

[foggy path]

anyone who thinks frontend today is bad needs to go back 10 years and see how it was back then lol

even 5 years might already start showing it :P

[proud jay]

who said it was bad

it's just not for me

[noble plaza]

Was 10 years back the start of Angular?

[proud jay]

some people like doing it

[foggy path]

Yeah I'm just saying in general

[proud jay]

I leave it up to them

[foggy path]

A lot of people who do webdev these days have no idea how fucking awful it used to be lol

[noble plaza]

I remember NG (1) being... verbose. Very verbose.

[foggy path]

and it's kinda funny seeing them complain about trivialities

[noble plaza]

Game programmers had to inline ASM back in the day, or write entire games in ASM. Doesn't mean people aren't allowed to complain about game dev today

[foggy path]

yes it does

[celest musk]

no it doesnt

[foggy path]

everyone should be as miserable as everyoene was back in the day

it's called equality look it up

[celest musk]

xD

[foggy path]

lol

[celest musk]

it's called "straight up rejecting evolution"

[proud jay]

ok but then I also want affordable housing

[foggy path]

https://tenor.com/buMJf.gif

[noble plaza]

My grandpa used to line up at 5AM for bread, I'm living in luxury being able to just walk in and grab a loaf

[celest musk]

indeed

but you have other things to struggle with

[noble plaza]

Yeah sure, I feel like people notice deviations, not absolutes. Like you're used to a certain level of comfort, luxury, convenience, or whatever. Any equal % change towards worse is felt equally, no matter how good or bad your starting point

[slim atlas]

python garbage in the ue5 engine

[proud jay]

garbage or cancer?

unreal has very limited python support though

editor only, and not all features

but also, why would you expect to use Python in unreal

[pearl elk]

cancer collection could be useful

[tulip orbit]

!8ball should I buy Stray?

[turbid spindle]

@tulip orbit, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[tulip orbit]

aw.

[proud jay]

yes

I will get it once I finish Death Stranding

or get bored of it

whichever comes first

[tulip orbit]

I'm still playing My Time at Portia, but I do want stray...

but I've probably only got about 2hrs before I should get some sleep

[celest musk]

stray looks neat, watched a few streams today

[proud jay]

if only the world didn't end today

I don't want to watch anything about it

[celest musk]

it finally does?

[proud jay]

wanna go in blind

[tulip orbit]

dont get my hopes up

[proud jay]

according to interitus it must

[tulip orbit]

yes

[celest musk]

what's your source?

[cursive crypt]

Text files.

[ancient ingot]

🇧 🇴 🇴 🇲

[celest musk]

it wont end with a boom

rather a squish

[ancient ingot]

🤣

[celest musk]

after all, everything is grapes

that was on one of these doomsday parties (i guess)

[stone whale]

all this reminds me of that WKUK sketch

[ancient ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-grapes-eating-gif-12496779

[proud jay]

bro what

my window was open

a fucking pigeon almost casually flies in

heart attack moment

[cursive crypt]

dont eat it

[deep copper]

atleast it didn't crash in the window

you are safe 😌

wait you are a grape now
as a grape you should be more careful

can i step on you?