lounge

[proud jay]

she broke windows?

that's wild

[deep copper]

i guess linux atleast stays the same consistently? where windows can break with a surprise update at times

[stone whale]

truthfully, I have arch installed on a VM somewhere but actually I use Ubuntu

even my servers mostly use ubuntu...

[stone whale]

Depends on what you mean by "linux"

the kernel is pretty stable

distros vary wildly

[proud jay]

why does google calendar not have a dark mode in browser

google pls

[deep copper]

i have no idea what i mean, i am just saying what i heard other linux users say

[stone whale]

is that still changing a lot?

not something I have to personally deal with in my day to day

[deep copper]

invert your screen everytime!

screen colors*

[stone whale]

why, is that a security thing?

still trying to connect the dots here...

so GPL is the license that is basically copy-left, right?

[deep copper]

i recall an arch user saying ubunto is fatter than windows

[stone whale]

I don't even know what license the kernel uses, but I'm assuming it's gpl

[proud jay]

the dot net?

[stone whale]

so you're saying the inclusion of source code from third party vendors is what breaks the ABI?

[proud jay]

random question, anyone know how I can read O'reilly books on an ereader?

or do I have to resort to piracy although I have legal access

[deep copper]

systemd?

wait i lost track of convo

[stone whale]

I just don't get why one couldn't maintain binary compatibility in principle

unless those surfaces that the drivers have to touch are themselves changing every version

wouldn't it be easier for userland programs to keep up to date by building new versions, rather than device vendors?

[broken sigil]

Have some more AI art

[stone whale]

no, new versions of the programs

like, Blender doesn't need a stable ABI?

so why would you have any kind of stability pointed at the userland side of things

yeah I know, that's my point 😄

[deep copper]

conjoined grapes !

[stone whale]

well, I mean... it would make the updating procedure more of a mess

as in you couldn't just patch things on the fly, you'd have to recompile all your programs

never mind, I think I answered my own question

[broken sigil]

Also the creator of MJ is the founder of Leap Motion, just found out about that 👀

[deep copper]

"a giant leap for -"

[stone whale]

so what's the core difference then, does the windows kernel actually not get any updates?

[deep copper]

and if it does you can revert right?

i think it keeps a huge backup file around during updates

[stone whale]

what do they do to keep a stable ABI, like if they have to.... I'm blanking on an example because I don't need to talk to kernels usually

ah... hmm

[stone whale]

so the symbols and the old binaries are still there

[deep copper]

i like how as a windows users i never had to worry about whatever windows ever actually did xD

[proud jay]

ok but who doesn't like installing graphics driver through a terminal amirite

[stone whale]

I'm having to think what it actually means to be binary compatible... it's not something I have to worry about much

so the dll you ship is unchanged, and the way windows loads it is modified

but that's more about API compatibility, not ABI

but not sufficient in and of itself, right?

yeah but you're explaining the API bit which is a subset

that's source code, I have a better grasp on that then the binary things that happen under the hood

or a call or whatever does all the pushing and popping onto the stack...

[deep copper]

i recall some arch guy writing their own update thingy and flexing how they can call that script from their phone and it updates stuff on pc
maybe i recall it wrong but i think that's what it meant

[stone whale]

lol

Why, because I don't work in ring 0 much?

Even when I write DLLs for whatever reason, I rarely need to worry about binary compatibility, when I control what gets compiled against what

I've never been in a driver vendor's shoes

right but if I write a DLL and the program that loads it gets compiled with a different compiler or some such, I've been lead to believe I need to worry about things breaking

so if windows ships a new version of their kernel that I'm talking to and my DLL needs to get loaded by, and whose functions I'm calling...

hm, what are drivers actually shipped as?

oh, right...

ah, right, that's what I was thinking of

like vulkan.dll or whatever

that's just the user facing implementation then

right

I really don't see why there'd be an issue with binary compatibility with the kernel, if I'm thinking in terms of opcodes...

[broken sigil]

actually, that gave me an idea, thanks

[deep copper]

it's a steamy grape

[stone whale]

like even if the kernel gets recompiled and everything, assuming the calling conventions and what-have-you are the same, the same driver binaries should still just work seamlessly, right?

unless your new compiler decides that ints are no longer represented the same way or whatever

so what's linux kernel's deal then? 😄

surely they're not changing the API every version

I'm worried because in the future I may need to write drivers for some DYI device projects

of course in that case I can recompile them myself every time I update the OS but...

I kind of assumed kernel updates by 2022 would be security patches

[deep glen]

hnnnng

[stone whale]

like... fixing a buffer overrun in some system call's implementation, rather than changing its name or parameters or whatever

[deep copper]

Google's linux? android?

[stone whale]

why is that not the default? I mean I would assume the kernel devs are reasonably smart people with well thought out motives

[deep copper]

i thought that was because they put new hardware in newer phones 😮 !

[soft night]

another space thing was today https://www.lares-mission.com/default.asp?language=en

[stone whale]

so I guess this is why people run really minimal, really old linux for certain production environments

[soft night]

as it was part of the payload with cubesats on first vega-c launch

[broken sigil]

Cosmic grapes

[deep copper]

that looks amazing ngl

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/el-hormiguero-360-camara-grabar-video-gif-14339990

[deep copper]

it's way better at grapes than faces

[abstract trellis]

They remind me of grapes that would be in that Avatar movie

[deep glen]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbsoluteWateryJaguar-size_restricted.gif

[soft night]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LARES_(satellite)#/media/File:LARESball_public.JPG

[deep glen]

they are the memberberries

https://i.gifer.com/6O0a.gif

[deep copper]

because midjourney , it stopped going into space midway

[soft night]

those are effect berries

[stone whale]

oh that reminds me, I haven't even taken a close look at the james webb stuff yet

[deep copper]

names with J ARE common huh 🤔

[broken sigil]

Lol 😅

[stone whale]

man I can't believe people complaining about money being "wasted" on stuff like the JWST or other space exploration

like isn't this what we're here for?

[regal pecan]

we're here to subsidize their personal checkbooks

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/thisisfinland-finland-finnish-finemoji-suomi-gif-21791813

well I have ate more 🍓 as also on the cake too

[stone whale]

or if we're talking government spending, militaries, megacorp bailouts, etc.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/fresa-strawberry-gif-18041212

https://tenor.com/view/lol-hehehe-cute-strawberry-gif-15561841

[regal pecan]

None of those are hammers

[stone whale]

I'm not able to find any information on a linux Visual Studio...

I think I've been bamboozled

[foggy path]

VS Code maybe? Not sure if VS proper works on Linux

[stone whale]

#lounge message 🤔

actually, this one #lounge message

I've already used VSC on linux but I was told there I could just use VS but... I dunno, I can't find it anywhere

[foggy path]

Sounds like a misunderstanding

I think it relates to just the comment after it, "you can develop on windows and run/debug on linux"

You'd need to use a 3rd party IDE like Rider if you want to actually run the IDE itself on linux

[stone whale]

oh... I don't know how I gave the impression that I just wanted to target linux...

anyway, VSC it is then

and now, the next personal project shall attempt to use C#

but if I still hate it after that it's dead to me forever

[broken sigil]

Are you happy now

[primal summit]

how about some wrathful grapes?

[broken sigil]

first have some lone grapes floating in space

[broken sigil]

Angry grapes, I love them lol

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, VSC is basically specialty text editor

[stone whale]

yup, am aware

[quasi mantle]

Microsoft and their naming conventions, as ever

Visual Studio Code
Windows 11
Xbox Series X|S
Azure cloud computing and Azure DevOps
list goes on

[primal summit]

Would Xbox series X|S shorten to X-S X|S

[quasi mantle]

||I shortened it to XSeX and XSeS||

[primal summit]

||flip mine over and add a couple carefully placed horizontal lines||

we're on the same page

[knotty skiff]

Oh God Grape Sentient Evolution

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/grape-grape-juice-juice-juicer-juicy-gif-19923613

[dark sequoia]

mfw spawning pawns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQccKHlSRE

[quasi mantle]

But have you heard of e4 e5 Ke2?

[dark sequoia]

I dont listen to hip-hop

[regal pecan]

looking at NFTs, that's redundant with furry

Now I'm wondering how they arrived at "bored apes" as a theme.

[noble plaza]

Stonk culture maybe? The meme is that they are apes just buying and waiting, while rational people panic sell and then the apes profit

Or the darn Chinese. In Chinese cultures monkeys symbolise either wealth or intelligence, both seem like things NFT people would label themselves as

[dark sequoia]

monkeh!

😱

[noble plaza]

Give a lil curve to that terrain and you've got Windows XP

[dark sequoia]

lmao yeah

[blazing glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/AAro2Xs.mp4 Sharing my latest render since I have no friends 🙂

I dont make the car models but I do the materials, lighting, etc..

[noble plaza]

That's pretty creepily realistic! Aside from the background I couldn't spot anything obviously wrong, new cars be shiny

Think the rear view mirrors look odd, but that's about it

Hmm, also the lighting setup suggests late night with two street lights near, while it looks like daytime

[blazing glacier]

thank you 🙂 I may have forgotten to add the reflective black material to the mirrors. The interior is still crap too. This is done in the new Vray6 and I have NO idea why it adds that extra "light" to the right. It does look a bit like someone has a Diffuse light for studio outdoor but that wasn't what I was going for 😛

[blazing glacier]

fixed the mirrors but I still can't isolate that lighting issue. Ah well.

Back to the drawing board

[soft night]

today totally hit different

[soft night]

hearing the sad news at morning totally change the day as other

[pearl elk]

What sad news?

[soft night]

my grandma died last night

[left granite]

sorry to here that mate

[deep copper]

that's really quite tragic

may their soul rest in peace 💐

[ancient ingot]

@soft night Sorry to hear you lost a family member 😦 💐

[proud jay]

these grapes kinda cool 🍇

[ancient ingot]

give me grapes!

merci

oo you spoil me 😄

[pearl elk]

Jack the Ripper gave his victims grapes

Trust no one, especially grape givers

[proud jay]

what about grape receivers?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/esa-salmiakki-koskenkorva-boss-gif-19445860

[ancient ingot]

😮

[proud jay]

1 GHz

the G standing for grape

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/geoida-rajmonda-gif-20318798

[broken sigil]

Very sorry to hear that... 🫂

[broken sigil]

You can have some MJ war photos that look unsettlingly real

[quasi mantle]

How about airship camera?

[broken sigil]

🗒️

[proud jay]

michael jackson is so good at painting these days

[quasi mantle]

Resurrected to be a painter

[proud jay]

but what would MJ paint to represent Blue Man

[broken sigil]

Jack the Grape and Jack the Ripper eating grapes

[proud jay]

yo @sand oxide sorry for ping, but how the fuck does this happen

I'm very confused

if that shit is empty, the bool empty should be true and the task should exit and that one should be completing the Task.WhenAny no?

maybe if the lock is never being able to be hel 🤔

nope that's not it, cause this works

strange

I need a c# task master in here

[fleet tangle]

Is it just me that's irked that you're using Task.Delay with a raw number and TimeSpan.FromSeconds in different places?

It's those kinds of inconsistencies that can produce bugs!

[proud jay]

this is not "ready" code

I'm trying to find a race condition

[cursive crypt]

What is this.... thing?!

[proud jay]

you need to buy some glasses

cause clearly you don't C#

[cursive crypt]

Please add epilepsy warning

[proud jay]

accurate

very mysterious art indeed

[cursive crypt]

Dude's legs start from his chest.

[proud jay]

or he has 4 arms

[cursive crypt]

Acceptable

[broken sigil]

Lol didn't even notice that

Blue Man eating grapes

MJ might be too powerful to be in my hands lmao

[carmine frigate]

how about a lobster submarine? 😛

[proud jay]

how about grapes eating blue man though?

[carmine frigate]

in murky water

[carmine frigate]

bit lacking in claws, the water is dope tho

[broken sigil]

🤷‍♂️

I'm off to bed

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-18201541

[proud jay]

smh going to sleep at 12:21 pm, lazy bastard /s

[ancient ingot]

11:23am here, extra lazy bastard !

[broken sigil]

Oh no he knows my timezone 👀

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-fuzzy-and-blue-herry-monster-gif-19946008

[soft night]

now 🍓 🍇 could be funny

[proud jay]

Trying to update some waiting condition

it should wait for a list to be empty

or for timeout

whichever comes first

but the empty check task never seems to be completed before the delay, however, when checking after the delay, the condition that the other task was checking should have completed the task

updated code a bit since

like waitTask is still waiting for activation

but the condition it is checking in this case is false when checking after the delay

so why tf is the task not completed

[broken sigil]

I literally just put the emojis in, kinda cool

[proud jay]

but I need to await in the wile loop, so how would that function look like to return a task?

[soft night]

kinda cool renders with just emojis on place

[quasi mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966491171142631444/997091116329488404/Ichinose_grape_gun_c3854da6-1d31-4311-b4e8-68f4ba796c76.png

[proud jay]

lemme try something

[quasi mantle]

Grape gun, pick one of them

[knotty skiff]

Grape Parasites

They are spreading

And can grow on Metal and Iron

[quasi mantle]

YES

Gotta try different prompt

[soft night]

🫐 🍇 🍓 🍒 something for test who want

[quasi mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966491171142631444/997091956196913222/Ichinose_grape_zombie_realistic_4c4db348-5043-4236-b012-cc2b082bf5c3.png

Grape Zombies

[proud jay]

how about grape makoto though

[knotty skiff]

Oh God

Call the National Guard and the CDC!!!

[quasi mantle]

Well, it failed with Haruka Amami, last time Blue Man tried it. Doubt the rest of Idolmaster characters worked

[knotty skiff]

Cordyceps Grape Fungus

[proud jay]

still no 😭

I guess there is an extremely small chance that the condition becomes false in the last 2 milliseconds of the 200 seconds

but those odds are slim right

[cursive crypt]

so much pain

[ancient ingot]

i like pain.........

[ancient ingot]

🤣

[cursive crypt]

So, the cosmos is fake?

[proud jay]

everything is fake

[ancient ingot]

no way is my crush on kate upton fake !

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/space-final-gif-23487511

[proud jay]

well the unit test is only flaky if I run it 10000 times asynchronously at the same time. Guess that's good enough to avoid triggering it again at some point 😎

at least for a while

[noble plaza]

Oh that sounds like a lot of pain incoming

[proud jay]

well the case where it could happen in production is really small

you would need to start up 10k instances of a service at the same time in a kubernetes cluster AND at the same time start sending specific requests from all those servers

[noble plaza]

Ah fair, if this was something in a tick it'd happen very pretty frequently but ye

[proud jay]

good thing our service doesn't tick

[noble plaza]

If the failure is critical you can set up k8s to just reboot the node too, failing hard has its benefits

[pearl elk]

Flat cosmos

[proud jay]

is there a linux distro called CosmOS?

oh cosmos is an operating system development kit apparently

[noble plaza]

Herman Miller has a chair called Cosm at least

TempleOS > a potential CosmOS anyway

[pearl elk]

I dont think kate upton is flat tho

[proud jay]

https://youtu.be/vpYAlTeHdZk

[ancient ingot]

hmm is it me or are Epic really pushing Animation hard atm

[cursive crypt]

Its you

[noble plaza]

Real time animation, yeah

[ancient ingot]

even the 4 week bootcamp is dedicated to it

[noble plaza]

I think they're just pushing film making stuff hard

[ancient ingot]

yeah

but i dont wanna make a film...lol

[cursive crypt]

Ok, its both of you.

They should push the Launcher instead... poor launcher.

[noble plaza]

I love when something updates

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-launch-launching-fly-nasa-gif-10035197

[noble plaza]

and I have to squint for 15 minutes looking for a tiny orange dot

[ancient ingot]

lol yup that needs attention

[cursive crypt]

There is an update, but you are denied to download it.

[ancient ingot]

😮 nooooooooo

[proud jay]

well, even running the 10k async apparently works when not debugging

thanks faster runtime, you saved me once again

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[pearl elk]

Flat launcher downloads

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ariane-v-guyane-france-esa-cnes-gif-21986553

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-gif-8193923

[proud jay]

it's doing some shit with sending messages between services, which would cause some locking issues

it's a pretty weird setup

https://tenor.com/view/who-told-you-how-did-you-find-out-how-do-you-know-did-someone-tell-you-upset-gif-16554571

[pearl elk]

NFTs are the only true inventory subsystem

[cursive crypt]

There was a nft showroom on the marketplace iirc

[timber viper]

@quasi mantle looks like Housemarque was also doing compute shaders. I found a presentation, if it interests/helps you with the thing you mentioned earlier; here you go: https://youtu.be/ARzl0d5a3UQ

Woah, that song used officially on Halo?

oh yeah there is a bungie logo lol

[quasi mantle]

Bookmarked it

Oh, it's from Assembly demoparty, how I missed this lol

[timber viper]

It was difficult to find tbh 😄

I saw some other presentation-like things but this was definitely hidden by search algo

fwiw my favorite is this: https://youtu.be/fVIh1MFWDVw

[foggy path]

here's a song to listen to when drawing dinosaurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjwtozu4O4

[quasi mantle]

Nowadays my background musics are either Idolmaster songs, J-pop, prog rock, game musics, jazz, and old pop songs

[timber viper]

J-pop
Is TK included there

https://youtu.be/kuIgwZTkSoQ ❤️

[quasi mantle]

Yes

[foggy path]

TK?

[quasi mantle]

Toru Kitajima

[foggy path]

Please tell me that stands for Tetsuya Komuro and not some girl pop band

lol

[timber viper]

lmao

[foggy path]

Tetsuya is a legend but seems most people don't really know of him nowadays 🤔

[soft night]

if launch you need you can watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWJs2aonpBY

[pearl elk]

I like to listen to old pop songs, hanson mmmbop is my goto

Didnt SpaceX have another failure

[noble plaza]

Some of ya weebs might enjoy this
https://www.dampfkraft.com/ghost-characters.html

[proud jay]

Some of ya weebs might enjoy this, jk

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-gif-14865417

is joke, pls don't ban me

who doesn't enjoy a good kermit gif

[noble plaza]

Nah should probably explain, the Unicode standard dedicated to Japanese glyphs contains characters that aren't... actual characters, but they're probably immortalised now lol

[foggy path]

....why does it contain nonsense characters?

[proud jay]

why not

[noble plaza]

Click the link, there's a reason I linked it 😛

[proud jay]

why does roman alphabet have c if you can use s or k

[noble plaza]

They have different backstories, but it's funny how permanent a mistake every oneof them was

[foggy path]

Ah didn't see it because the kermit gif was taking all my attention lol

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/japan-anime-kawaii-sugoi-gif-4761309

[noble plaza]

Fuck it
https://www.dampfkraft.com/ghost-characters.html

Going to keep that e m b e d

[foggy path]

https://jisho.org/search/妛 %23kanji interesting

says it's "phantom kanji" but it still has a meaning and reading listed for it lol

[noble plaza]

It's probably what it was mistaken from? The stroke order is funny, they'd have to make one up from intuition basically. Wonder how weird that was.

[foggy path]

But yeah sounds like it's how I thought, mistakes because of the complicated characters lol

[timber viper]

"unacceptable words"

[quasi mantle]

Apparently "master" is unacceptable

[pearl elk]

Master master.... master of puppets

[timber viper]

I'm speechless tbh

[noble plaza]

Wow that's a shit change. Now there's a disconnect between the access and the underlying property, good luck parsing that. Especially if there's non-master tracks

[proud jay]

haha, I just saw something like that on the box of some new earbuds

[timber viper]

I just hope this is not something like
"noooooo master implies a gender "
thing

[noble plaza]

No it's about slavery

[proud jay]

master implies slave

[quasi mantle]

||It's pretty much that||

[timber viper]

Skeletal Meshes has master and slave things in engine

[pearl elk]

Master implies ownership, probably like an owner thing

[foggy path]

It sorta makes sense to replace them in a master/slave context but I don't think there was such a context in that change 🤔

[proud jay]

When you love programming so much you get drunk on patterns

[noble plaza]

Master in AV comes from "master copy" normally, which is not the slavery related master

[timber viper]

and use subsystems

[noble plaza]

master also means "original"

[proud jay]

It's the same reason repositories use main instead of master now

[quasi mantle]

I think initially it was out of American slavery context

[foggy path]

Correct

[proud jay]

I'm not saying I agree with this master-slave notion lol, just saying why people think it's offensive

[foggy path]

if it pisses of incels I'm all for it

[quasi mantle]

アメリカ、ファックイェア

[timber viper]

This is how USD programmers declared war on Datasmith programmers.... until they realize they belong to same department

[noble plaza]

Even in the diff he only replaced like 50% of the occurrences of the word lmao

Someone's getting paid a salary to do this shit SMH

[timber viper]

when you have a PR quota to fill

[foggy path]

more like when the PR is trivial to merge might as well :P

[noble plaza]

When your IDE does not have a competent find and replace functionality VS

[quasi mantle]

I already put my middle finger and have default branch as master already

[foggy path]

I just use whatever is the default for whatever tool I use

[noble plaza]

I couldn't be bothered enough, but it was definitely a re-learning moment. So used to git push origin master first thing after checking a new repo out

[pearl elk]

Bit like how Level means so many things in different contexts

[zinc matrix]

You do have the words master and sub in there...

[foggy path]

I literally don't give a shit but I am temtped to switch to main because it seems to piss off the kind of people who deserve it

lol

[quasi mantle]

I mean, yeah, USA supreme power, but still

[zinc matrix]

But I see nothing wrong lol

[foggy path]

same reason why I'm tempted to put he/him into my twitter bio because it pisses off certain people lol

[pearl elk]

Ahh so its a BDSM thing lol

[zinc matrix]

Me/mine

[pearl elk]

Bring out the gimp

[zinc matrix]

Was/were

[quasi mantle]

Dia/dia

Gender neutral pronouns, whatcha gonna do?

[foggy path]

That's not a pronoun, that's a program for making diagrams

[pearl elk]

Thought that said neutral protons for a sec there

[quasi mantle]

Not if you speak to me

[foggy path]

you are a program for making diagrams?

I'm confused

[quasi mantle]

This is one western Twitter topic that infuriate me the most tbh

[foggy path]

why

[deep copper]

i knew this terminology change would happen someday, it just needed anyone who cared enough to try their hands on programming

[timber viper]

ok but how we are going to name thing that control other things..

[foggy path]

Yeah, it makes no difference whatsoever so if it makes someone happy to not have master/slave in there, then be my guest ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep copper]

overlord

[timber viper]

base means base.. not something has authority

[deep copper]

acid base, getting their name changed next

[zinc matrix]

Why are you forced to rename it?

[foggy path]

You aren't

[deep copper]

i mean, git still uses "master branch" term i hope, did that also change?

[noble plaza]

I remember this was a whole thing too lol
https://github.com/rubocop/rubocop/issues/8091

[noble plaza]

It did change

[deep copper]

oh no

what is it now

[noble plaza]

By default it's main, but you can revert

[deep copper]

main , hmm, sounds generic but good enough i suppose

[proud jay]

how can you be this triggered lol

[noble plaza]

Main makes more sense to me IMO. Removing master track seems a backwards change though

[foggy path]

I don't think main is any more generic than master if you consider the actual meaning of the word in context of git and how it's often used

[proud jay]

why are americans so sensitive

[foggy path]

git doesn't actually care what your branches are called, you can call it forrest-gump for all git cares

[pearl elk]

You mean managers?

[foggy path]

@proud jay because their country is shit

[pearl elk]

Authority is networking 😜

[timber viper]

master

[noble plaza]

Yeah I prefer main, but it's meh either way. Master Track > Track is fucking stupid though, what are the other tracks called? Track II?

[foggy path]

Yeah it's a weird change :P

[timber viper]

jokes aside managers doesnt imply total authority too

it just manages

if something is completely controlled by something else you gotta make it explicitly named

[pearl elk]

Master track is a remaster of the master

[quasi mantle]

Don't say that

||/s||

[noble plaza]

My theory is helicopter parenting. Parents go to great lengths to not let their children run into anything unpleasant or remotely harmful, so when they do it's a big shock.

When I moved to Australia I was super shocked at how no kid was allowed to... exist, move around, by themselves. Everyone was so pampered and protected by their parents, you' d think we live in Afghanistan or some shit.

Meanwhile I would be sent to maybe go to school in winds and blizzards as a ~10 YO. Sometimes I'd have to head back because the hill was too slipper 😁

[foggy path]

If you look at what's going on in that country you can see why they'd be sensitive

holy fuck it's just all fucked up

:P

A friend of mine who moved into the US a while ago is like seriously planning what he'll do if a civil war breaks out...

[noble plaza]

So much is overblown though - I can't escape US news from far away, because everything is reported and exaggerated over and over. I'd imagine it's only louder when you're living there

Like people think we live in less safe times because you hear about more bad shit happening. Meanwhile the effort required to consume global news has decreased to basically nothing, compared to the past. Naturally you get exposed to a lot more news

[foggy path]

I don't know, it seems like pretty legit issues to me

[noble plaza]

I didn't say the issues were illegitimate

[foggy path]

Yeah I mean it doesn't seem overblown to me

But yeah US news permeates everything, I know more about US politics than finnish politics

[pearl elk]

Most of the newspapers in Australia are owned by the US which doesnt help ontop of social media

[noble plaza]

That's the stupidest thing, more people protested the recent Roe vs whoever rulings, IRL in the city, than came out in support for gay marriage (locally, when some decision was due). It's a fucking clown show

[noble plaza]

Murdoch's Australian, originally, isn't he?

[pearl elk]

Originally but he's a US citizen so he could own a company there

[noble plaza]

Our most potent export, yet also by far our worst. Somehow more toxic than Uranium 🙂

[pearl elk]

His dad was actually a war reporter back in the WW days

[proud jay]

US also has this 24/7 news reporting in a fear mongering way

don't think that helps

to me it seems like their whole cycle depends on radicalization to get more viewers

[noble plaza]

It's just human nature. There's no emotion quite as riveting as sadness and fear, and the media exploit it all too readily

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of UE5
I heard Niagara distance field would be separate from mesh distance field generation
It would be good news, because mesh DF can't work in Intel iGPUs

[noble plaza]

Targeting iGPUs with UE5 feels like hammering a nail with a washing machine, but if it's working, more power to you

I'm assuming you're doing forward rendering?

[pearl elk]

Intel iGPUs covers alot of ground, chipset in specific?

[quasi mantle]

Actually deferred, but I'm making sure it's not too taxing. It's quite challenging tbh
Which is why I'm trying to get my hands dirty with compute shaders.

Also consistency even in low end hardware with low settings

I managed to get volumetric clouds take up less than 1 ms even in Intel iGPU

[noble plaza]

I'd be scared of any current optimisation being invalidated with later releases, unless you're sticking with 5.0

[quasi mantle]

Actually I'm sticking with 4.27

[noble plaza]

Oh, thought you were using UE5

[quasi mantle]

Not for this project

My rationale is that if lower end hardware can get good performance, surely higher end hardware can benefit with higher framerate

[noble plaza]

Well if you want parity, higher end hardware has to look the same/similar to lower end hardware. So they'd just go unutilised or at 1k FPS 🤷‍♂️

[pearl elk]

16x MSAA @4K

[noble plaza]

Sharpness aside, most nice-to-have visual effects add things, clutter, to the screen. Battlefield solves that by having it either way, but looking like ass on the lower end settings, when possible. Things like god rays and all though, yeah you're just gimping yourself.

CS:GO have sent a decade+ trying to have consistent, replicated smokes. Still no dice 😄

[ancient ingot]

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564u39PJfUI stop the internet. This lady has won !

[noble plaza]

Okay that slaps, but I want to hear it with a split on the lower notes, going through some crunchy distortion. Guzheng metal time

[fathom wadi]

its one of the best musical performances I've ever seen, and I've seen Pink Floyd live 😉

[noble plaza]

I was jelly my partners mum has seen Dire Straits live, and apparently she fell asleep during their performance haha

[fathom wadi]

Funny you should say that I watched the Dire Straights performance of Sultan's of Swing at Live Aid 85 earlier today. His guitar style is mind boggling

[ancient ingot]

@fathom wadi oi bitch 😛

[fathom wadi]

I am only my wife's bitch thank you :/

[ancient ingot]

😭

[noble plaza]

This performance inspires me to give up the guitar TBH. He's doing like, semi-sweeps on acoustics wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrbt14uej08

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxoV5O8HUU this was the track that ultimately lead me to learning to play guitar. It's the best duelling guitar solo I've ever seen.

[knotty skiff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/871401624134910032/996947426193715270/unknown.png

[fleet tangle]

This was fantastic.

[fleet tangle]

Your partner's mum sucks! 🙂

[noble plaza]

She gave great dirt on my partner, but also accidentally got me high on Christmas. It's a mixed bag hey

[fathom wadi]

I had to watch that thunderstruck video 3 times just to catch all the excellent sections. To keep time with the drums, rythmn and lead at the same time is astounding

[fleet tangle]

"accidentally"? Also what's wrong with that?

[noble plaza]

She mixed up a rolled cig and a joint, and then was trying to convince me she didn't give me herbs haha.
Nothing wrong with it, I just uh, hate it. Makes me anxious and paranoid, had to be a couch potato for the rest of Christmas after

[fathom wadi]

Epic Summer sale started today. This is dangerous when I have money in my account

[fleet tangle]

Doh

[fathom wadi]

I remember when I mixed up a cigarette with a joint once. Hate cigarettes.

I smoked for 30 years and quit on dec 30th 2018. Not had one since. I still stink like a yak but at least I can breathe.

[ancient ingot]

🤣

[noble plaza]

I don't actively smoke, but special occasions and all that. It's such a strong addiction though, almost as bad as mobile gaming

[fathom wadi]

my only addiction left is gambling on slot machines. Which is why I avoid playing EA sports games and Diablo Immortal.

[noble plaza]

Oh okay, hope this is not weird but I have a question for you then. Would you work at a betting firm? I turned one down because it feels immoral, but most businesses do some questionable things at least, so IDK

[fathom wadi]

no definitely not. I think the Fixed Odds Betting Terminals they have in the stores should be illegal

[noble plaza]

I'm taking a few months off, but I can basically just DM a dude at a betting firm and get the offer, they want me joining pretty bad, and he money's good

Yeah they were so hyped for expanding to the states and all, and I was like haha yay, more people, even less used to online betting being exploited. Great

[proud jay]

I would do it

[fathom wadi]

I'm all for responsible gambling but some gambling outlets are not responsible even though they pretend to be

[proud jay]

but then again, I have no morals

[noble plaza]

I just think gambling is inherently unethical, in the same way selling addictive substances (for profit) is

[noble plaza]

Hey that's OK too, IDK maybe I'm just not jaded enough yet haha

It's just, 30% or whatever pay rise does literally nothing for me when I'm living comfortably either way, and if I hate myself every day at one job and not the other...

[fathom wadi]

it's supply and demand and we live in that culture. Which is why we need to do it responsibly. I mean, you goto the shop and try buy 20 packets of paracetamol, they will refuse you under suspicion of suicidal tendencies. But if you spend £500 on a FOBT in 20 minutes, nobody cares

[noble plaza]

Yeah that was the one thing I couldn't reconcile, mobile/gacha gaming could essentially be considered betting with a pretty skin. Is it any worse than just betting, aside from dodging whatever pitiful regulations there are?

[proud jay]

well if I did not enjoy the gambling job I wouldn't do it either

just for me it would not be not ejoyable, just because it's gambling

[fathom wadi]

it's absolutely gambling. I get the same endorphine rush from playing Path of Exile and dropping a sweet item as I do from playing slot machines. The difference is I don't spend money on PoE. I once spent £300 in two weeks on FIFA 16. I felt like complete shit afterwards.

[noble plaza]

I mean it sounds like a cool job, crazy amounts of real time data feeds, wrangling etc. But I would have to live with a very guilty conscience, as I'm pretty against betting.

On the other hand, another betting firm contacted me with a 4 day week or a 9 day fortnight, not sure. That's a lot of extra game dev time, which could be worthwhile, maybe.

[noble plaza]

Oh yeah I fucking love Diablo III, but it's free. I just do not do chance-based micotransactions and the likes, and try to stay away from games that do so.

On the one hand, if I'm not paying it doesn't affect me, but on the other, whales need normal people to justify and feed their FOMO

[fathom wadi]

it's time the games industry self-regulated this bs. I know it makes them money and games cost money to make, but we did fine without all this MTX gambling crap for 30+ years

[fleet tangle]

MTX?

[fathom wadi]

Diablo Immortal is reportedly making $1million a day in mtx sales. And they are all worth nothing in reality.

[noble plaza]

It's underway, Netherlands and Belgium IIRC are doing so, probably Europe as a whole soon enough

[noble plaza]

micro transactions

[fathom wadi]

microtransactions

[fleet tangle]

Oh right, yes.

I don't see the issue, tbh, as long as it's not p2w stuff. If you wanna spend £5 on a new hat, go for it.

[noble plaza]

Even PoE I'm OK with, I know what I'm getting, and it's just a way to support a nice, free game that's not P2W or anything.

[primal summit]

random drug tests are a thing at some workplaces, especially those dealing with sensitive government contracts

[fathom wadi]

you are spending money on items you don't own though. If you could have that item as an NFT in your wallet, I might think less about that stuff

one day the game will shut down, all your money gone

[noble plaza]

My partner failed hers and had to scramble to get a prescription, but it was easy enough lmao

She does just smoke though, it's her sleepiing mechanism SMH

Experiences != goods though, you don't own a live performance yet I wouldn't say they are unethical

[fathom wadi]

I can understand that. I self medicated with cannabis for years to help sleep. I quit a couple of years ago and now I can't sleep properly

[fleet tangle]

Do you rent the place you live in?

[noble plaza]

VG items are, in a way, an 'experience'

[fathom wadi]

That is a non-starter sir. They don't digitally copy and paste houses

[quasi mantle]

Meanwhile for me the tune that get me into drumming was In The Air Tonight

[fleet tangle]

You didn't say anything about the duplication, you said about paying for things you don't own.

[fathom wadi]

ok but I was speaking in context of digital products in a computer game

[fleet tangle]

Even so. Do you have any subscriptions? Netflix? Do you own Netflix? That's digiitally copied.

[fathom wadi]

I don't. My wife does

[fleet tangle]

Amazon Prime? Any other services?

[fathom wadi]

I use the internet to get it for free even with access to netflix 😄

[fleet tangle]

My point is, you pay for a lot of things which you don't put in your wallet.

[fathom wadi]

you are sidestepping the actual point to try discredit my argument.

[quasi mantle]

Oh, a battle

[fleet tangle]

I am discrediting a single point of your argument.

[fathom wadi]

I only had a single point

the fact is we could offer these items for resale value and then it would be worth it

[proud jay]

destroy digital games

rip indies

[noble plaza]

@fathom wadi do you think chance-based purchases are less ethical than flat out purchases like PoE ones though? Like I guess you'd disagree with both, but is there a spectrum of disagreeing?

[proud jay]

big difference between chance and guarantee

guaranteed purchase is allowed in belgium 😎

[fathom wadi]

yes I do under one circumstance. If the RNG is not regulated it can be manipulated by the company to create more sales. ie. An online Casino has slot machines, which are audited and checked by an independent company at regular periods in order to make sure they haven't been tampered with and the RTP (return to player) is legitimate. Games companies have the same system but without any of the regulation. This needs to change.

[fleet tangle]

Personally, I dislike any purchase where you don't know exactly what you're getting.

[noble plaza]

The fucked thing about the digital economy is Google can mis-flag you through some AI no one understands, then suspend your bread-making (YouTube), business communications (Gmail), payment dues (GA), etc. It's just terrfying

[fathom wadi]

yeah that happened to us yesterday when we released a trailer

the music was flagged for copyright but we own it

[primal summit]

you really shouldn't be using @gmail.com as a work email

[quasi mantle]

Basically gacha (though some gachas have pity system where you're allowed to pick one item after few rolls)

[noble plaza]

You can use Google Mail without @gmail though, which also gets banned IIRC

GChat is a shitshow, hate it

[fleet tangle]

Some gacha systems increase the likelihood of rare finds if you don't get one for x period too

[proud jay]

they have mail from GSuite as well for businesses

[primal summit]

ahh

[proud jay]

not @gmail

[quasi mantle]

Wait, really? So G Suite is illegal now?

[primal summit]

paid service?

[fathom wadi]

GSuite sounds like a bunch of old school rappers sat on a couch

[fleet tangle]

How do you use gmail without @gmail ?

[noble plaza]

No, you can be banned from GSuiting on a domain if your account gets flagged for whatever reason. You can move to self-hosting, but your email deliverability will drop big time beceause it's a random domain

[quasi mantle]

G Suite is a paid service, main highlight being using custom domain e-mail for Google Mail

[noble plaza]

GSuite

[proud jay]

GSuite

[fleet tangle]

I see.

Pretty sure gmail has aliasing built in to it somewhere so you can do that without a paid service.

[fathom wadi]

it does

[noble plaza]

At work ours got flagged and we received a written warning because we got DDOSed, and the incoming traffic was disrupting their other customers or some absolute bullshit

[deep copper]

that's some blame the victim stuff

[noble plaza]

(DDOSed as in some random country gov started to trawl and pen-test our website 🇨🇳 )

[fathom wadi]

this is why you setup metasploit

[noble plaza]

Yeah had to move to CloudFlare soon after, because realistically I didn't control what the fuck a country decides to do

[noble plaza]

Aren't you fancy 😛

Chinese businesses evade the external business domain ban, by providing naked IPs to connect to, sans-HTTPS. The ban is on HTTPS and resolving to a domain...

China's just looking out for all the amateur pen-testers I guess

[fathom wadi]

I used to be a pen tester. Then I moved into pencil testing and felt tip testing.

[deep copper]

did that lead you somewhere?

[fathom wadi]

art school

[noble plaza]

You've missed the Marc, I've heard all the money is in stylus testing now

[fathom wadi]

I started out my IT career in security. It was fun until I realised you couldn't get away with the black hat stuff. Then it became a regular office job.

[deep copper]

that's some movie plot

you did dangerous work before then move onto normal work and then some danger appears and you save the day

[noble plaza]

I'm just imagining Mr Robot inspiring all these people, only for their dreams to come tumbling down when they have to go through spring planning and agile retrospective meetings lol

[deep copper]

!8ball did you inspire people?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[fathom wadi]

for my HND presentation at college I showed my course tutor how to hack the network via Bo2K. He was shocked. Considering it meant I had access to admin accounts on the JANET network, I think they started to take security seriously after that point

[celest musk]

xD

[deep copper]

that's cool ngl

[celest musk]

"hack"

but bo2k was cool, no doubt

[fathom wadi]

well the bo2k was just an entry point. what you did after that was the real hacks

[celest musk]

and it made me lose my trust in the whole AV industry

[noble plaza]

My friend at uni found out he could trawl the uni domains and identify the Chromecasts, which were in most lobbies. At that point you could just send HTTP commands to them.

He literally put on Never Gonna Give You Up on like 1k+ screens at once

[deep copper]

"with great power comes great responsibility "

[fathom wadi]

yeah Graham Cluely made me lose confidence in AV. I had a friend who was one of the premier VX sceners at the time and he told me a few things

[noble plaza]

You could just hear echoes in the distance, it was the weirdest experience. An IT dude tracked him down and made him pinky promie to not do it again, and didn't snitch on him beyond that. Good shit.

[primal summit]

EDIT UNDO! EDIT UNDO!

[noble plaza]

Though in year 1 some IT guy came in during a lecture, and was like "Sorry for the interruption, but if you're on the university network, we actually have records of your browsing. Including the adult websites. Please keep that in mind, thank you"

[celest musk]

who knows if they tracked him down or they've been like "i know exactly one dude that fits this scheme" 😄

[fathom wadi]

My first day at college I was banned from the library because someone changed a screensaver to say "Wanker" and put a password on it. They said it was me and asked me for the password but it wasn't me 😦

[celest musk]

i wonder if the exe crypters from bo2k times still sneak around modern AV

[deep copper]

who is browsing that through uni xD

[noble plaza]

Honestly could have been this, he fucked around a lot with the uni security, and broke into things a few times. I didn't know he was doing this, but knew it was him straight away. Never anything malicious, but every incident could have been so much worse

[fathom wadi]

We had systems at my college that used AA batteries to power the bios. All the computer passwords were bios set, so I figured I could remove the batteries, reset the bios, then set the computer name/location to another building. Then use that computer to go do naughty things and I at least had some time to get out of there before IT came looking 😄

[noble plaza]

TBF some people lived on campus, eventually you'll get bored I guess

[fathom wadi]

I ended up working at my college in the networking department and obviously that came with an admin account so messing with the network became boring after that. Instead I tried improve the system but that just made my colleagues hate me and think I was a busy body that made them look lazy.

[deep copper]

and probably made the controls harder for them

[celest musk]

^^

[deep copper]

atleast you tried to do good though 🌟

[noble plaza]

IT/NetSec is just a contingency thing I swear. Do just enough to mitigate problems, fuck around and play WoW otherwise

[fathom wadi]

made it easier for the most part. It was a Novell Netware system so it was easy enough anyway. All icon based interactions from a control panel. But I setup systems for ghosting machines via the network so we didn't have to travel every classroom in every building to do stuff

[primal summit]

when bing came out, some coworkers thought that it didn't leave a trace (something about not being tracked like through google) and went to some adult sites through it. That went over like a ton of bricks.

[celest musk]

i guess one person got fired because i installed better protection in my old company

somehow sad, on the other hand pisses me off that he risks malware infection just because his wife wont let him download adult stuff at home 😄

[deep copper]

everyone was probably really worried about their job security then

[fathom wadi]

one of the final straws of networking for me was when I happened upon someone's account who had been downloading child abuse images. I have never been able to unsee that bullshit.

[primal summit]

and that got reported to the fbi, right?

[fathom wadi]

not the feds but my boss

[noble plaza]

Ah that'd do you, like all the FB moderators who crack over time an eventually start believing in some extreme shit, from just being exposed to it repeatedly

[deep copper]

..that might explain your sleepless nights

[fathom wadi]

its part of it yes

[quasi mantle]

found some gold from #industry-chat lol

[noble plaza]

Is he comparing having morals to fucking quaint analog modelling techniques

[fathom wadi]

think I might go play some league of legends. Can't compile the source build because my cpu keeps hard locking. At least I get let LoL players call me names instead.

[noble plaza]

Have fun, monkey brain

[deep copper]

i can call you whatever you want as well ?

[fathom wadi]

most people seem to so why not

[quasi mantle]

Yes, he does

[celest musk]

i spent an hour fixing a c++ problem for which an easier solution exists

so i'm go play some gta and get roasted by 12 years olds

[noble plaza]

I mean I spent a day interpolating arcs, so you're doing better than me lol

[quasi mantle]

Please
Don't get doxxed

[fathom wadi]

I once spent 6 months making a plugin with C++ that Editor Utility Widgets made obsolete before I released. que cera 😄

[noble plaza]

I do like 5-6 hours of intense game dev and then all I have mental capacity for is pat doggo and chat in the lounges - here and #cpp

[fathom wadi]

once I start with game dev I can't stop for anything. I have to force myself before I burn out

luckily, or not, my cpu is dying so I cant do any today

on the upside I just spent 1500 on a new rig (less a GPU) so next week I'm gonna be happy

[noble plaza]

Yeah I'm getting that, my partner goes to sleep before I'm truly done before the night often, especially if I'm going to the gym for a break or something in between

[celest musk]

what did you get?

[deep copper]

there there 🫂 you all have suffered enough today

[noble plaza]

But I also wrecked my wrist tonight as a goalie, so I'm having a forced typing break tomorrow maybe

[fathom wadi]

i7 12700k, MSI god level board, DDr5 ram etc

[proud jay]

no wonder she likes Pink more than you

[celest musk]

yea, you gonna be happy pretty sure

[noble plaza]

The downside of not having a 9-5, is that if you enter flow state you can just stay in it

[celest musk]

@noble plaza well, some days i have >12h flow, sometimes 0

[noble plaza]

I mean, it's like my third week without a job and doing full time game dev, have to get used to it still

[fathom wadi]

this is the list

[noble plaza]

Yeah it gets like that, especially if I'm having to deal with some bullshit like undeclared externals or whatever

[celest musk]

ordered exactly the same SSD today

[fathom wadi]

yeah samsung make top notch ssd stuff

[celest musk]

so unreal can fill it with cooked ddc intermediate nonsense 😄

[pearl elk]

3.6ghz isnt the boost clock surely

[fathom wadi]

lol

no 3.6 is stock. goes upto 5ghz

[noble plaza]

Nah base, boost is... whatever it goes up to. CPU decides

[celest musk]

thats 8p+4e cores?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[noble plaza]

Imagine getting a MacBook, paying hundreds for an SSD upgrade, and 50% of that is taken up by UE debug symbols or some shit

[fathom wadi]

beats my i7-4790k thats for sure

[celest musk]

so probably 4-5x faster than your current one, probably more

[fathom wadi]

yeah Im expecting a 75% increase in compilation times roughly.

[noble plaza]

uhh

decrease? 😄

[celest musk]

😄

[fathom wadi]

yeah decrease lol

[deep copper]

1.75x times total

[noble plaza]

"Best thing about upgrades, is I get to make even more coffees when waiting for comples!"

[glacial finch]

I wonder if there's a way to archive Overwatch files, what with the game going defunct in October.

I fear the loss of this media. :(

[fathom wadi]

its taking me around 7 hours to fully compile UE5 right now. Which is nuts.

[pearl elk]

Maybe get a corsair case too

[noble plaza]

VS '22?

[celest musk]

i expect ~1h on the new sys

[fathom wadi]

I went for an MSI came because I have an MSI mobo and psu and I like conformity in a pc :p

[celest musk]

takes me around 45mins with 16cores

[fathom wadi]

*case

[fleet tangle]

Are you writing the binary by hand?!

[fathom wadi]

feels like it

[pearl elk]

You'll be using icue for your lighting thats why I suggest it

[fathom wadi]

its like 5500 classes tho so I guess my cpu is too old for functionaliity. Plus it actually wont compile right now. Soon as it hits 100% usage for more than 5-10 minutes it just hardlocks my pc

[noble plaza]

We need OpenRGB to be good TBH, every vendor's program just sucks balls

[deep copper]

is that like seizing a car engine or something

[fathom wadi]

not really interesting in the lighting side. I always turn that stuff off.

[celest musk]

even the screen?

[fathom wadi]

yeah I work in braile

[celest musk]

after that master/slave and black/whitelist nonsense, they may introduce braile for better inclusion soon

[dusky shuttle]

Maybe i shouldn't follow geniuses

[fathom wadi]

I rememeber reading a braile magazine once and wondering why they kept using a full stop in the middle of every letter O. Then I realised I have a subscription to Blind Playboy.

[deep copper]

writing C++ with sign language

[celest musk]

i'm still surprised that we can use emoji but not spaces in names

if that wasn't a joke

[fathom wadi]

thats something I miss about Twitter. Reading John Carmack's gibberish that I half understand.

[pearl elk]

In my experience rgb fans dont have the same efficiency as non-RGB. Might as well use the lights since the fans suck hehe

[deep copper]

how i feel like when i read #cpp mostly

[fathom wadi]

same. I know Unreal C++ so when I go read actual C++ I get confused. 😄

[deep copper]

wait really?

[fathom wadi]

yeah its a different beast

[proud jay]

I know c++ so when I go read c++ I still get confused

[fathom wadi]

lol

[deep copper]

that might be why normal c++ example code looks so different from whatever #cpp has

[proud jay]

it's still c++ though tbh

[fathom wadi]

yeah. Unreal uses too many templates and is more like an open API

[deep copper]

when most of the space is taken up by huge names it feels, different xD

[celest musk]

it's like node.js/jquery/etc for javascript

[fathom wadi]

It's like UnrealScript++

[noble plaza]

I whipped this thing up today and I'm not sure I can even explain it. I know how it works, but not how to explain it

[deep copper]

probably a jquery vs js

[fathom wadi]

you used std. I'd see a doctor about that

[noble plaza]

Though I forgot the fixed-size list init syntax

Bro why the hell is std::initializer_list a fucking type

[pearl elk]

Circular Sweep hmm

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/sweep-the-leg-karate-kid-cobra-kai-gif-16881984

[noble plaza]

TL;DR: right is before, left is after

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-no-surrender-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-black-knight-its-only-a-flesh-wound-gif-14084084

[cursive crypt]

#lounge getting infected with programmers

[fathom wadi]

cross-infected

[cursive crypt]

Rust

[noble plaza]

The artists have actual work ethic bro

[pearl elk]

Eww programmers

[proud jay]

damn, you can run doom in doom now https://youtu.be/c6hnQ1RKhbo

[deep copper]

they don't compile and wait

[celest musk]

can you run doom in doom in doom, tho?

[fathom wadi]

they compile shaders to be fair

[deep copper]

ah right, game engines

[proud jay]

I wish I made 200k 😭

[fathom wadi]

me too

im learning some stuff atm that will break me into the 100k a year zone but its not something I really want to do :p

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[proud jay]

are you in USA

or just being rich

[pearl elk]

Wait where you get 200k for 20hrs

[deep copper]

is that some leaving trail effect ?

[fathom wadi]

parliament

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-mhmm-yeah-okay-sure-gif-10211748

[deep copper]

that's $10k per hour 🤔

[fathom wadi]

im wearing a hoodie with bruce lee's son on it

[celest musk]

@noble plaza cant you just create a spline and follow it?

[noble plaza]

It's the positions the sword tries to detect hits at. At really low FPS the animation goes so quick, the sword is never over someone in front of you lol

[fleet tangle]

Totally a Street Fighter movie quote!

[noble plaza]

For each animation? Sounds exhausting

[deep copper]

ohh

[fathom wadi]

is it physics based?

[celest musk]

for each sweep

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-draven-brandon-lee-the-crow-1994-laugh-gif-10642638

[noble plaza]

At tick sit samples the sword's position, so kinda no

But eventually will be, or IK based

[fathom wadi]

I'd love to make a video game of The Crow.

there was one but it was sshitty

[noble plaza]

@celest musk I'm not sure what you mean TBH, but this essentially does infer (and sample) a spline from the movement deltas

[deep copper]

there can be many games about the same thing so you are good!

[ancient ingot]

Researchers find the missing photonic link to enable an all-silicon quantum internet

😮

[pearl elk]

Is it a jacket hoodie that says cant rain all the time

[fathom wadi]

yeah there is a new Crow reboot coming out soon so it might be a nice time to get a prototype out

[deep copper]

uhm, what does that do in simple words?

[fathom wadi]

no it's just an imprint of his face and a crow

[ancient ingot]

Their research, published in Nature today, describes their observations of more than 150,000 silicon "T center" photon-spin qubits, an important milestone that unlocks immediate opportunities to construct massively scalable quantum computers and the quantum internet that will connect them.

[pearl elk]

Can the player turn into the crow or is the crow just a follower

[deep copper]

so stuff will get fast ? 😮

[ancient ingot]

very

[fathom wadi]

that would be a nice special move. Have crow sight so you can look around

[deep copper]

that's some vampire stuff 🧄

[ancient ingot]

https://phys.org/news/2022-07-photonic-link-enable-all-silicon-quantum.html?fbclid=IwAR0-RrO1LbEltZcycBYtpsi1hRt-9Ft7557OGnz9jPm9FE0AMT-egnwu8Zs

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/the-crow-brandon-lee-dark-gif-15755128

[celest musk]

i don't exactly know what i mean either. basically it would just lead to a curve that you follow, instead of doing the curve math on your own

[deep copper]

the head is moving weird

[pearl elk]

You could get edward furlong to return to voice the crow 😜

[fathom wadi]

I once watched The Crow every night before bed for 3 months. I can pretty much recite it

I watch it on halloween with the wife, she can recite it too. We are like crow nerds

[timber viper]

just join my bp mmorpg team

[celest musk]

dont

he doesn't believe in nanite

[pearl elk]

Hey look its a squawk

[fathom wadi]

caa caa

[pearl elk]

Here birdy birdy birdy

[fathom wadi]

poor Michael Massey

[night grove]

I suspect the 20 is a typo and was meant to be 200 as a sarcastic exaggeration. It's often said the unicorn startups have everyone pulling around 100 hour work weeks.

[noble plaza]

Ah fair, I thought you could do something with baking splines, but these montages will actually be retargeted at runtime, which would make certain attacks tricky to parse too. IDK, feels like this is some sort of a solution. Probs not the best one, but it seems to work for now haha

[deep copper]

crow emoji search brings up 👑 only

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/the-crow-the-crow-movie-brandon-lee-brandonl-gif-24980714

[noble plaza]

IDK my last unicorn-y job I played table tennis and Smash more than I worked. Then we were fired over Christmas cos the money ran out 😬

[celest musk]

as long as it works, and isn't too costly, it's fine :>

[fathom wadi]

100 hour work week is standard for me when im on form. I enjoy it.

[night grove]

What is CurrentTraceEnd and PreviousTraceEnd?

[primal summit]

wait... it is?

[noble plaza]

Each tick involved like, 20-50 traces IIRC, for the memes I 100x'd it, an per tick it added like, .3 ms. Seems to be a small concern for now

[celest musk]

as said, you tested on an empty map

[fathom wadi]

can you not simply use complex collision to get the hits during fast animations?

[celest musk]

put that in a larger map and it will cost more

[night grove]

It's getting replaced by 2.0 which will be freemium

[timber viper]

Today UE's "unacceptable word" thingy reminded me of this

[noble plaza]

FVectors of current and previous locations of these two scene components

[night grove]

Given the immortal launch, it means they'll probably gut anything of interest from overwatch

[fathom wadi]

I was gutted that I went to buy Overwatch 1 and they removed it and now you have to buy the Overwatch 2 pack for more expensive price

[deep copper]

i hope they are playing around...

[noble plaza]

(Fe)males are just males with more iron. Except they are prone to iron deficiency due to biology, riddle me that

[night grove]

Trace end at the tip of the sword?

[noble plaza]

Ergo no gender is gendered, all genders are just varying levels of Ferrule content

[noble plaza]

Just beyond, to feel more 'fair'

[deep copper]

the wind from the sword

[timber viper]

mxle though

and femxlae

[cursive crypt]

rtxmale

[timber viper]

from today we call people fe-person and person

[primal summit]

The irony is german is a gendered language, like many others. English is in the minority with genderless nouns

[noble plaza]

Males but with glossy as fuck skin?

[celest musk]

perxon

son is gendered

[noble plaza]

Yeah in my native tongue serving bowls are female, and the bigger, cooking, ones are male. Confused me a lot as a kid lol

How the fuck are BOWLS gendered

[timber viper]

In Turkish we dont even have he/she lol

[cursive crypt]

it?

[timber viper]

everyone is "sen" or "o"

[celest musk]

yea, because you don't have dishes either 😄

[noble plaza]

Mm the only bit of Turkish I know, seni seviyorum lol.

[cursive crypt]

kismet

k2

[fathom wadi]

i remember a hippy friend making a post once and stated "All bad things happen in history because it's HIStory. If women ran things it would be HERstory". Then I pointed out to her that it's not a gendered word and History is based on the french word Hist as is Histogram. She got very offended.

[cursive crypt]

UE ppl should know

[celest musk]

is kismet a turkish word?

[timber viper]

with "ı" instead of "i"

[celest musk]

what is the translation to english?

[timber viper]

hmm, its a difficult one

[cursive crypt]

kismet?

[timber viper]

one sec

[fathom wadi]

kismet is fate right?

[cursive crypt]

yea, luck

[celest musk]

ah, neat

[noble plaza]

Historically, female rulers have been even more oppressive than the average male ones. No thank you hey

[fathom wadi]

I grew up through the Thatcher period in England. I cannot disagree based on that

[noble plaza]

MapleStory > (His/Her)story

[cursive crypt]

through her majesty's period

[fathom wadi]

The Queen is solid tbh. I used to dislike her because its cool to hate royalty, but Elizabeth is a boss and truly works for this country

[noble plaza]

Hey she's the woman the Scouse either love or hate, and I can never remember

[deep copper]

isn't England ruled by a queen rn 🤔

[fathom wadi]

yeah a good one too

[cursive crypt]

As the sun, ppl born and die under it

[deep copper]

idk presentStory too well

[noble plaza]

She's hardly a ruler, basically a celebrity with a title

[proud jay]

queen != prime minister

belgium also has a king

but also 7 governments

[fathom wadi]

thats not really true. Even the powerful 1%ers bow to the queen

[cursive crypt]

It is kinda nice to have royality, kinda pop star

[timber viper]

Also in Belgium royal family serves in military 🤔

[proud jay]

not really

they do training just to be fancy

and technically they have military title

[timber viper]

One of the princesses was serving in military last time I checked

[proud jay]

but don't do shit

[deep copper]

so basically they are a meme

[celest musk]

also wondered in which war belgium was lately involved

[noble plaza]

Not royalty, but I used to live in the same building as the president for ages. Every now and then I'd have to squeeze into a lift with like 4 massive dudes staring at me, fun

[celest musk]

except the one who invented french fries

[fathom wadi]

Lootbox war of 2020

[proud jay]

I think none since WWII

[cursive crypt]

Maybe playing counter strike is enough?

[proud jay]

also taking all the tax payer money of course

37 million buckaroos last year

[deep copper]

reminds me of the guy who had EU financial manager in their building

no wait EA"

"

[celest musk]

37 sounds like it's not that much

[timber viper]

you need one more

[fathom wadi]

the Queen pays taxes. They might get some tax for preservation of historical buildings and such but they pay their way too

[timber viper]

EU and two "s

makes three *

[celest musk]

thats like $5 per head

[noble plaza]

In Australia private citizens pay on average 2x more tax per $ of 'revenue' than corporations do LMAO

[proud jay]

12,5 of that goes straight to the king

[noble plaza]

Fucking dumb shit

[noble plaza]

Probably meant billion

[timber viper]

now I question why did they name it Kismet lol

[proud jay]

no it's million

[fathom wadi]

it was fate

[proud jay]

but that's a lot of money for people who do nothing

[timber viper]

I thought it was a religious name rather than a word that has roots to English

[cursive crypt]

Magic the Gathering? I dunno, it is famous word.

[deep copper]

they stay alive i guess

[proud jay]

that 18 year old princess makes 100k+

just to exist

[cursive crypt]

marry her

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/the-crow-brandon-lee-scary-serious-gif-12575680

[proud jay]

literally no official function

[timber viper]

you can do it Dieter

[proud jay]

I don't think my gf would like that

[fathom wadi]

Cerrado, go sleep it off somewhere else dust head 😄

[celest musk]

she doesn't need to know

[cursive crypt]

for 100k she will

[noble plaza]

https://countryeconomy.com/taxes/tax-revenue/belgium

Apparently Belgique pulls like US$20k/person in tax though? WTF

[fathom wadi]

time to go chill with a game of League of Abuse. Catch you all later after the tax conversations :p

[proud jay]

pls don't say belgique

[cursive crypt]

nah, boring

[proud jay]

fucking frenchies

is that a wtf as in a lot

cause shit's taxed like crazy

[noble plaza]

Yes it's a lot because the SWE salaries I saw were pretty sad

But yeah, I dated a chick from uh, some French city

[deep copper]

i always wondered what they do with that tax

[noble plaza]

Liege

[proud jay]

before I get my paycheck my company already pays 34% on top of that in tax, then I pay ~30% on that before I get any money

then of course everything you buy has a VAT of 21%

[noble plaza]

Then you pay VAT on the post-tax money, on anything you do try to buy

[proud jay]

including electricity, cause you know, that's a luxury product

[celest musk]

is food also taxed with 21% in belgium?

[proud jay]

and of course there's also taxes for the province and the city

[proud jay]

it depends ™️

[noble plaza]

lol, tampons and shit were (are?) taxed as luxury products here, it's funny

[deep copper]

now i see why people in #cpp wanted to become princesses

[timber viper]

how much is a kebab in belgium

[celest musk]

laura did it

[noble plaza]

IDK what they think the less luxurious alternative to personal hygiene is

[proud jay]

food that you buy to take home is 6%, if you eat at a restaurant it's 21%

[noble plaza]

like doner?

[timber viper]

kebab != doner but yeah

[noble plaza]

Found some for like 8 EUR, Berlin was cheap

[celest musk]

asking the real questions here^

[noble plaza]

Berlin was like 5-6

Bratwurst > Doner

[proud jay]

yeah for like 6-10 euros you can get some good kebab

[noble plaza]

Bet you don't even know the best kebab, the tru Strayan one - HSP

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/bobross-gif-21875665

[celest musk]

i remember times where it was 3-4€

[noble plaza]

Should just cancel all other sorry attempts at kebabs, HSP is the best

[proud jay]

somehow with all those taxes, the government still runs deficits

it is truly beyond me how incapable they are

[deep copper]

if you live as a caveman i suppose you can avoid a bit of tax only then, least luxury stuff i can think of

[timber viper]

what is Strayan

[proud jay]

australian?

[celest musk]

now i want kebab 😭

[proud jay]

get some?

[timber viper]

I just ate it

[celest musk]

we only have one restaurant in town which offers it, and they aren't exactly good at it 😭

[noble plaza]

Bro HSP - crunchy, hot chips at the bottom. Fucking well seasoned, juicy chicken in the middle. Then a thick slab of shredded cheese. Then like 6 sauces because why the fuck not.

Halal fucking Snack Pack

I was very drunk in Berlin and pissed a Turkish dude off trying to bribe him to make me a HSP. Ended up accepting a sad Doner 😦

This shit is perfection

[timber viper]

wtf is that thing on top of it

[celest musk]

yes^

[timber viper]

dont tell me its a ketchupp

[proud jay]

bbq sauce on your titties?

[deep copper]

those lines look like your sword trace but many

[noble plaza]

Barbecue sauce, hot sauce, special sauce, and maybe garlic yoghurt?

[timber viper]

[celest musk]

please stop it now

[deep copper]

garlic yughurt..?

yo*

[proud jay]

ok but wtf is special sauce

[timber viper]

ok garlic yoghurt is fine but not on top of it

[noble plaza]

:)))

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ask-questions-that-you-dont-want-the-answer-to-dont-ask-youre-not-going-to-like-the-answer-team-four-star-gif-17069103

[noble plaza]

IDK, it's garlicky but that's literally just the name for it

[timber viper]

this is not kebab btw, i'd post what kebab actually is but wouldnt want anyone crave for it

[noble plaza]

We even have a cheese variety just called "Tasty Cheese"

[celest musk]

well, now i wanna see it

[noble plaza]

I'm not a slut, I reserve my cravings for HSPs 😛

[deep copper]

do it in #food ,only the brave may enter

[timber viper]

good idea

done

[deep copper]

that looks cinematic

[noble plaza]

It's 3AM and I'm craving an HSP

Imma get it tomorrow, Friday is the day to be loose. I think

[timber viper]

I just realized Helal Snack Pack is actually a thing and you didnt just randomly typed it

lmao

[noble plaza]

Haha no, I thought it was like a middle eastern thing

Then the Turkish dude thought I was being a dick because I was confused why he didn't know what a halal snack pack was

[timber viper]

I didnt know either 😂

[noble plaza]

But it's like an Aussie-"Lebanese" thing

[celest musk]

greece has gyros metaxa which seems close to that

love that

[noble plaza]

Everyone from around the mediterranean is Lebanse here. Turks? Lebo. Italians? Lebo. Spaniards? Lebo. Moroccans? Lebo.

[timber viper]

Yeah Lebanese people also widely into this from what I've heard

But at least in Berlin, Turkish people should be majority because of migration at 1950s

[fleet tangle]

Except the Lebanese, they're Spanish.

[timber viper]

UK has more Lebanese restourants

[noble plaza]

The actual Lebanse have been demoted to be only referred to with profanities, due to critically deficient driving skills

[deep copper]

poor lebos

[timber viper]

I wish Lebanon was more stable country without any terrorist attacks, it looks like a beautiful place to tour

[noble plaza]

Yeah ok that looks sick, it's like a schnitzel HSP

All the Lebanese people here are great fun, but you can tell the recent immigrants have been through a lot too

PS Lebos started off as a derogatory term but they owned it so hard they use it more than anyone else

[timber viper]

Are you in Germany or Gurcistan currently?

[noble plaza]

I'm just confused by the part where Greek people and the likes also own it, while being 0% Lebanse but whatever