washed my hands with regular hand soap three times
#lounge
foggy path
celest musk
dont explain further
foggy path
lol
celest musk
but wth is a hand towel?
foggy path
Like... a towel you use to wipe your hands after you wash them?
celest musk
oh, it sounded like something that you use more regular
wasn't thinking of the one in the bathroom
foggy path
I mean yeah it's just a regular towel like you'd use to dry yourself after a shower, just small :P
at least we call them hand towels, not sure if that's the proper english term
mossy nexus
it's a rich people thing
I would have though a smaller towel would be a poor persons thing?
celest musk
well ik what you mean now
mossy nexus
at least we call them hand towels, not sure if that's the proper english term
It is correct
celest musk
my bathroom here is so small, i just use my regular showering towel 😄
foggy path
heh
proud jay
I just shake like a dog
mossy nexus
hand towels, bath towels, bath sheets.. the list goes on and on
proud jay
have you really made it in life unless you own a towel towel to dry your towels?
celest musk
to get the sticky of the fingers after
proud jay
the fuck
celest musk
so i thought, maybe he's one of those persons
mossy nexus
well, some people use a small wet towel to eat chips and such
they use a towel to eat? Weird.
proud jay
who does that
amber reef
i was making a joke
quasi mantle
And I thought French was the most stereotype in romance 
mossy nexus
😄 fluffy food yay
soft night
on sauna some could sit on those sittable towels
celest musk
Small wet towel to eat, wut
not to eat, to wipe your hands after you ate
to wipe of salt and whatever
mossy nexus
https://tenor.com/view/happy-friday-spring-yay-gif-20720333
That isn't to dry the cat, that's to stop a wet pissed off cat attacking someone
soft night
mossy nexus
I've only had one cat that didn't mind getting soaked - only because as a kitten I trained him to swim without panicking [ used to live next to lots of nasty watery places]
foggy path
Yeah, my mom's had like 6 different cats, unclear if they like being soaked in water as I haven't had to witness that lol
Definitely seems like a thing that would be best trained when it's small
soft night
my cousin had lots of cats
zinc matrix
Yeah, you start by saying "c'est chocolatine !!"
then proceed to be dismembered
(75% chance)
soft night
deep copper
then without those it was 46 right? so 46 + 46 = 92? that's 3 months and 2 days but i think giving a day for dakuten would help an already busy person like dieter ?
a day for EACH dakuten thing*
quasi mantle
a day for EACH dakuten thing*
Dakuten aren't too hard to remember
knotty skiff
noble plaza
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/871401624134910032/996693881796173846/0...
That looks wacky but I recently made katsu curry with British beef and pork sausage, cooked to perfection, and it was actually pretty great.
quasi mantle
proud jay
weeb thumbnail -> skip
noble plaza
weeb thumbnail -> skip
I like your crusade against anime. I would skip this video for the same reason, but don't want to get banhammered by saying that haha
quasi mantle
No wonder Unreal Engine has stigma of being "a serious engine for serious people only"
noble plaza
I mean, I'm uncomfortable with sexualised minors, and there's no reason to have that on a game dev video, when the content is, presumably, serious/helpful.
tulip orbit
I cant for the life of me remember how to have the hotbar, and be able to assign tools/weapons/whatever into those slots with drag/drop. And have them be used appropriately. so I think I'll just play a game instead
proud jay
not sure what being serious has to do with (not) liking anime
quasi mantle
quasi mantle
I cant for the life of me remember how to have the hotbar, and be able to assign...
Are you going to play the critically acclaimed MMORPG FINAL FANTASY XIV that has a free trial up to level 60 including the Heavensward expansion?
noble plaza
https://tenor.com/view/america-explain-gif-11525000
Back to lounge II - #cpp we go
tulip orbit
Are you going to play the critically acclaimed MMORPG FINAL FANTASY XIV that has...
No, am playing my time at portia right now
quasi mantle
And don't say to me of sexualising Lalafell, you psychopath.
tulip orbit
And don't say to me of sexualising Lalafell, you psychopath.
Nsfw Joke: ||Yeah, too wrong. Sorry. edited. Dont kill me mods. :(||
Im gonna get banned for that one 😫
no bad words or anything. Just... implications...
noble plaza
Reminds me of the Minecraft banned words list, some only caught typos of a 'bad' word lol
zinc matrix
Reminds me of the Minecraft banned words list, some only caught typos of a 'bad'...
yeah the new Minecraft report system is dumb
They are pulling a 1.9 all over again
quasi mantle
Brb recording some sounds in my bathroom
mossy nexus
Minecraft? pfff Minesweeper is where it's at
zinc matrix
Minecraft? pfff Mine**sweeper** is where it's at
Fax tho
Minesweeper is the true legendary game
deep copper
wasn't there some other mine book by a weird guy
deep copper
book
deep glen
wasn't there some other mine book by a weird guy
<_<
zinc matrix
Book
deep copper
xD
deep copper
alright xDD
zinc matrix
dont make me let go of my chicken
Drop da chicken
quasi mantle
I had one chicken that I hold the most, now it's roasted
Anyway, I'm done with bathroom foley for today
deep copper
wasn't there a video where someone cooks one with slaps
zinc matrix
wasn't there a video where someone cooks one with slaps
That’s just called cooking in real life
Minecraft cooking is very weird let’s be real
You just throw food in some hot rock with almost no prep and somehow you get a perfect cook of steak
deep copper
Anyway, I'm done with bathroom foley for today
🚿
zinc matrix
Yeah, just quick footstep and some water splashes
There’s prob someone in your house
They are called you
quasi mantle
There’s prob someone in your house
I did it myself, I'm doing some wet foley work
zinc matrix
I did it myself, I'm doing some wet foley work
Oh lol
noble plaza
You just throw food in some hot rock with almost no prep and somehow you get a p...
Zelda BotW is you just dance around a giant pot with some vaguely food things in your hands, and end up with some gourmet shit or garbage in return
zinc matrix
Zelda BotW is you just dance around a giant pot with some vaguely food things in...
I mean at least there’s a chance of garbage
Minecraft you can’t over cook food
quasi mantle
Many of my sound sources were from the bathroom, it surprisingly doesn't reverb much
zinc matrix
Yeah if it did you’d be worried about someone hearing you take a shit
deep copper
or just you hearing it again and again like in those cliff hills where stuff echos
deep copper
You just throw food in some hot rock with almost no prep and somehow you get a p...
i wish i could do that irl
no need to think of anything, just get the ingredients, done!
zinc matrix
Fax tho that would be so nice lol im lazy af when it comes to makin food
deep copper
making food takes concentration, skills, and effort
zinc matrix
Most I do in terms of cooking is making ramen
zinc matrix
making food takes concentration, skills, and effort
My concentration is awful lol
deep copper
- it gets finished quick, you ate and poof, hours of work gone
quasi mantle
making food takes concentration, skills, and effort
Also thinking of what recipe you're going to make
zinc matrix
Cause 99.999 percent of time I’m mostly asleep
zinc matrix
Also thinking of what recipe you're going to make
That’s where concentration would come in
deep copper
My concentration is awful lol
that's so relatable,
zinc matrix
that's so relatable,
Half the time I wanna talk to my friends on discord other half of the time I wanna cry while playing through video games and getting the depressing af ending
Just can’t wait to get outta this shithole of a state I’m in
I’ll give you guys 3 guesses
Which state am I in lol
zinc matrix
I meant states of America
quasi mantle
Which state am I in lol
Florida?
quasi mantle
🐍
noble plaza
Mexico City
deep copper
Snake? Snake??
why snake?! 🐍
zinc matrix
I have like 3 friends who have gators
quasi mantle
And I’m from Florida
Heh, lucky meme guess
deep copper
i was about to say Washington because that comes to mind first when i hear america
zinc matrix
Heh, lucky meme guess
Yeah and my dad is literally a definition of Florida man
He’s fat and a felon
And I’m skinny and always too tired to do much
deep copper
I thought "florida man" was someone who does really risky things while succeeding often
memes are weird
zinc matrix
I thought "florida man" was someone who does really risky things while succeedin...
No it’s someone who does really risky things succeeding often and getting arrested for it
Let’s see my dads been in jail about 12ish times total
deep copper
oops, is that why you have 12 in your name ? xD
deep copper
so 12 is your favourite number 🤔
deep copper
Let’s see my dads been in jail about 12ish times total
that's why you even said this here 🤔
zinc matrix
so 12 is your favourite number 🤔
I said I picked a random number lol
Either way no my favorite number is very unoriginal
69
deep copper
but did he do the same crime or different crimes
zinc matrix
but did he do the same crime or different crimes
Mostly the same
He’s very stoopid
He’s stoopid enough the stand infront of the barrel of a gun even when thinking the safety was on
It wasn’t
The trigger pulled and he nearly died
Would’ve been good for the planet if he did ngl
He’s kinda a douchebag
deep copper
wait he shot himself kinda?
zinc matrix
wait he shot himself kinda?
He was tryna put a gun in a case but some foam caused trigger to fire
And he was stupid enough to not check if the barrel was loaded and the safety was actually on
At that point he just deserved it
deep copper
so he got arrested all the time for a gun?
zinc matrix
so he got arrested all the time for a gun?
No he got arrested for being a sex offender
And breaking probation a lot
deep copper
ah, so different issues
zinc matrix
ah, so different issues
Very different issues
He’s also just kinda not got a functional brain
Hes tried to break my houses door down several times to try and get to me
deep copper
He’s also just kinda not got a functional brain
but he got a gun 🤔 , america is , dangerous
zinc matrix
At this point I just can’t wait to completly ditch my entire family and start somewhere completly fresh
zinc matrix
but he got a gun 🤔 , america is , dangerous
Very true
Well technically it was one of my grandpas guns
deep copper
ohh
zinc matrix
Hes got a full safe of em and they where tryna put it in a box to hang on a wall
deep copper
At this point I just can’t wait to completly ditch my entire family and start so...
well, time to packup
zinc matrix
well, time to packup
I gotta wait like 2 years
Cause I gotta turn 18 to get my passport
Cause my dad refuses to sign it
deep copper
Hes got a full safe of em and they where tryna put it in a box to hang on a wall
wait xD if you have so many it isn't surprising a few are not safety on-ed
zinc matrix
wait xD if you have so many it isn't surprising a few are not safety on-ed
No by a full safe I mean like 8 with a fuck ton of ammo
deep copper
Cause my dad refuses to sign it
ah rip
zinc matrix
Btw that half of the family is almost all ex milatery or currently serving
So yeah no they just did a stupid and forgot to check
zinc matrix
I hate being American lol
deep copper
there there, just 2 more years
zinc matrix
I’ll prob ditch my family in 2 years go to New York pick up a friend and go to a state with cheap housing
zinc matrix
Yeah probably not tbh
But yeah I def won’t live in New York because it’s well New York
Exspensive as hell
deep copper
i have seen enough new york memes to know how unaffordable and unlivable that place is
zinc matrix
Yeah I mean sure I could get jjj pictures of Spider-Man but that wouldn’t get me enough money
deep copper
jjj?
zinc matrix
J johna Jamenson from spiderman I prob butchered the middle name lol
He’s the news guy who always wants pictures of Spider-Man
deep copper
i think i might have heard that name somewhere
zinc matrix
And had a absolutely legendary haircut
deep copper
ah the moustache cigar guy
deep copper
he is unforgettable tbh, except the name because that unspellable
zinc matrix
Yeah
deep copper
but you really won't get enough money out of that
zinc matrix
Yeah ik
He paid Peter like 2 cents and some used tissues
But yeah I’ll prob sell my organs for some spare money to rent a apartment till I can find a job
At least a kidney
Maybe a lung
deep copper
that won't help you survive for long, how about staying homeless for a while?
zinc matrix
that won't help you survive for long, how about staying homeless for a while?
Eh I mean I know how to fight wouldn’t be too hard to stop myself getting robbed from other homeless people but I’ll have to also take care of this really close friend of mine who I’m gonna be living with
deep copper
hmmmm
zinc matrix
I mean I could keep my Bitcoin mining rig going for 2 years straight
deep copper
wasn't bitcoin going down again
zinc matrix
Yes but still free money if I mine it and sell it
deep copper
hopefully yeah,
zinc matrix
Not a lot but some
If I could mine even one Bitcoin I could get a smallish apartment until I could find a job and start saving to get out of it into a actual house
And then I’ll rent out half of the house if it’s got enough space to make some more money to buy more and rent out more
zinc matrix
And eventually I’ll own multiple properties and be doing not terrible
deep copper
that sounds like a plan
soft night
zinc matrix
And then I’ll send a single letter to everyone in my family with a dollar or more depending on who it was saying here that’s all you get from da wealth
It’ll either really piss some people off or make some people very happy lol
But yeah most of my immediate family would just get a dollar
Except my uncle on my dads side whose really chill
Tbh I kinda wish my mom had a affair with my uncle and I came out instead of my mom being with my dad and making me lol
Me and my uncle are a lot more simaler then me and my dad
deep copper
And then I’ll send a single letter to everyone in my family with a dollar or mor...
that sounds like some flex xD
deep copper
Me and my uncle are a lot more simaler then me and my dad
it seems like you just don't like your dad a lot :P
zinc matrix
Yeah me and him haven’t been on good terms for about 4 years now
Ever since he tried to break into my house to try and get to me
Yeah my dads got some issues
It’s a miracle he isint dead yet
Nearly happened when he shot himself on accident
Then again I might also have some brain damage because I laughed when I was told
quasi mantle
he is unforgettable tbh, except the name because that unspellable
You serious?
quasi mantle
it seems like you just don't like your dad a lot :P
Please don't remind me of the story I wrote 
quasi mantle
https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-61077...
Also just remembered he's also the maestro in Whiplash
deep copper
You serious?
yeah his face is kinda easy to recall
zinc matrix
Also just remembered he's also the maestro in Whiplash
Yeah but he’s more iconic as jjj
quasi mantle
Yeah but he’s more iconic as jjj
Well, I play drums, so yeah
deep copper
Please don't remind me of the story I wrote <:ArisaCry:959618440270872586>
... 😂
deep copper
Yeah but he’s more iconic as jjj
i just know of the name (barely) , wasn't sure it was his xD
quasi mantle
... 😂
||The main character had been on bad term with her father, being subject to domestic violence, and haunts her even in game||
deep copper
i just know of the name (barely) , wasn't sure it was his xD
wait is that the actor name or character name 🤔
deep copper
||The main character had been on bad term with her father, being subject to dome...
trauma 😔
quasi mantle
wait is that the actor name or character name 🤔
J Jonah Jameson, portrayed by J K Simmons
deep copper
ah, so character name
zinc matrix
I just have ptsd from existence
quasi mantle
||Even in the fantasy world she still had that haunted past||
zinc matrix
That sounds like the plot of some anime
quasi mantle
That sounds like the plot of some anime
Well, my game project is anime style
zinc matrix
Well, my game project is anime style
Makes sense
deep copper
||Yeah, she had severe PTSD from years of abuse||
that sounds like a heavy story for a game , if it is one
zinc matrix
I’m tryna style my game off dead space but like a survival building game and less scary and less linear
quasi mantle
that sounds like a heavy story for a game , if it is one
I wanted for a more mature Isekai story, so yeah
There will be fun moments, but also have some depressing and horror moments
deep copper
I’m tryna style my game off dead space but like a survival building game and les...
oh cool, scary is 👻 😱
deep copper
I wanted for a more mature Isekai story, so yeah
There will be fun moments, but ...
just like reality 😔
quasi mantle
just like reality 😔
"Fantasy based on reality"
deep copper
Fantity, Realasy, Fanlity, Reatasy 🤔
deep copper
Pasture, Fust, 🤔
knotty skiff
I just notice something, why some games made their crouch keybind "alt" instead "ctrl"??
quasi mantle
I just notice something, why some games made their crouch keybind "alt" instead ...
What game does that?
quasi mantle
Ctrl is unwritten standard for crouch, and Alt sometimes used to walk
carmine frigate
C is also often crouch
zinc matrix
Or shift
quasi mantle
Shift is often for sprint
carmine frigate
or S or downarrow in 2d platformers
G i allmost allways grenade... i hate shooters with controllers cuz i allways toss nades at my own feet
knotty skiff
Also I just notice another
Why did they make Interaction bind to "F" instead "E"???
soft night
https://twitter.com/vega_sts/status/1547230931341246470?s=20&t=OpXXDpQzu6RHkjWwBMNqlA the craft can be ball
knotty skiff
EA-type of Level
noble plaza
Holy shit WTF Unity
foggy path
What did they do now
foggy path
Oh it's from Israel
They have a couple of those military malware companies there don't they
noble plaza
At a previous job the marketing lead described IS to me as "Google's Analytics and Ads, if they didn't start with 'do be evil'" lmao
zinc matrix
Unity is unsmart
noble plaza
When marketing guys think something is sketch, it's going to be bordering on war crimes
quasi mantle
They merged with IronSource, who were caught distributing spyware IIRC
Analytics and ads, that's spyware alright
noble plaza
Anaytics and Ads if your PC is left alone is fine-ish, but that's not what IS do
quasi mantle
https://blog.unity.com/news/welcome-ironsource
Also the blog is SaaS jargon overload
noble plaza
You just know when you read a word salad and have no idea what the company does, they actively make the world a worse place to live in
Model citizens really
https://blog.infostruction.com/2018/10/26/adware-empire-ironsource-and-installcore/
quasi mantle
Meanwhile Epic is more concise with their acquisiton news - brief overview of the acquired company, what does the acquisition mean, what the higher-up says about it
proud jay
"Yo, today we bought Psyonix, cause we had too much money" - Tim Sweeney
noble plaza
Meanwhile Epic is more concise with their acquisiton news - brief overview of th...
Epic makes money from Fortnite, and is building out future revenue streams from pie in the sky things and crapshoots.
Unity makes money from ads, and is barely surviving. Any acquisition will be survival mode at this point
celest musk
xD
proud jay
Unity has really been going down the shitter
noble plaza
I can't believe I bought some $U SMH
celest musk
"So we bought Quixel, because i like rocks" - Tim ca. 2019
quasi mantle
Epic makes money from Fortnite, and is building out future revenue streams from ...
Well, Iron Source specialty is analytics and ads...
short grove
Unity has really been going down the shitter
since 5.x really
noble plaza
"So we bought Quixel, because i like rocks" - Tim ca. 2019
Big time amateur film making appeal
quasi mantle
since 5.x really
Since yearly versions, to be precise
deep copper
what would happen to the games of unity if unity shuts down btw ?
proud jay
they wouldn't have ads anymore
celest musk
which games? 😄
proud jay
other than that not much I think
celest musk
i thought unity is a meme
quasi mantle
what would happen to the games of unity if unity shuts down btw ?
They continue to exist in phones
noble plaza
The mobile projects could be abandoned. Computer ones would likely be finished or abandoned, and then move on to another engine. Let's be honest, UE
quasi mantle
||Ironically my (only) mobile game is a Unity game||
noble plaza
But U would leave behind a shell operation to collect dollarydoos from the grave, no way they just shutter up
celest musk
||Ironically my (only) mobile game is a Unity game||
is it some waifu tamagotchi mix?
quasi mantle
is it some waifu tamagotchi mix?
Not really
noble plaza
Waifu Pokemon mix 😎
celest musk
Waifu Go
short grove
i thought unity is a meme
it is, if you like buying essential functionality from the asset store then maybe not, but otherwise it pretty much is just bad software
quasi mantle
At the same time Unreal Engine is somewhat raising the bar for mobile, at least accessibility wise.
Those who want to support more phones seem to need to stick with 4.27
noble plaza
UE has very minimal market share in mobile though, partially because Unity does the ads stuff, and it's just quicker to work with for smaller scale stuff
celest musk
cmon epic just buys cool stuff
i'm watching an unity dev just reading and trying to understand what they got from that ironstuff
noble plaza
XSX / PS5 were struggling with the Matrix Demo
celest musk
if epic buys something it's kind of obvious with one sentence what value they add
noble plaza
i'm watching an unity dev just reading and trying to understand what they got fr...
link pls haha
sounds funny
quasi mantle
Not really, but compatibility seem to be hampered in UE5 with discontinuing ARM7 for next few years
Though you really need to try to tone down rendering features and more mindful with the performance
That's (mostly) a no-no in mobile
If you want to develop mobile game with Unreal Engine, proceed with caution. For maximum compatibility, I'd recommend UE4.27 as it still support 32-bit ARMv7
noble plaza
If you want to develop mobile game with Unreal Engine, proceed with caution. For...
32-bit ARM has been long phased out no? Or I thought it had
foggy path
I wonder... What's the Ms Paint of video editing tools 🤔
quasi mantle
I wonder... What's the Ms Paint of video editing tools 🤔
Why, MS Movie Maker
celest musk
blender
noble plaza
I wonder... What's the Ms Paint of video editing tools 🤔
OpenShot?
foggy path
Why, MS Movie Maker
Do they still have that available
celest musk
virtualdub? :>
foggy path
openshot looks interesting, I'll give that a spin
celest musk
the question is, what do you want to do?
blender really isn't that bad (depending of what you want to do)
quasi mantle
32-bit ARM has been long phased out no? Or I thought it had
I think so, but I heard some phones are crippled to 32-bit ARM even with 64-bit capable ARM CPU
There was a forum post about it, but I forgot the link
foggy path
blender really isn't that bad (depending of what you want to do)
if their GUI for video editing is as impossible to decipher without watching five hours of tutorial videos as the rest of blender it's a no thanks for me
celest musk
so no
foggy path
I mean if I say "MS Paint of video editing" that seems fairly self explanatory, the most basic thing that would let me just remove audio and maybe add a label of text really
noble plaza
I mean if I say "MS Paint of video editing" that seems fairly self explanatory, ...
OpenShot feels like a successor to that 2000s movie maker 🙂
foggy path
yeah it looks pretty straightforward, I could use premiere or something but that is just too heavy for random shitposting lol
quasi mantle
I mean if I say "MS Paint of video editing" that seems fairly self explanatory, ...
Shotcut, though it's somewhat resemble Magix Vegas
celest musk
i wouldn't take an overall conclusion from the experience with one project
probably depends on the kind of game that you plan to make
quasi mantle
Still, there's not much practically usable new UE5 stuff when it comes to mobile
noble plaza
Animation AMA on now BTW
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/ask-unreal-anything-animation-july-13-2022-at-11am-edt/598687/65
noble plaza
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/ue5-should-not-be-used-for-mobile-yet/557012
15.1% of devices running their game, presumably biased towards Russia (and lower CoL/ PPP regions), are ARM32. I'd not worry about it, by the time your game's done most people would have replaced their device 1-2 times
quasi mantle
15.1% of devices running their game, presumably biased towards Russia (and lower...
Yeah, maybe I'm just thinking too much about compatibility
celest musk
well, it's not wrong
quasi mantle
I mean for crying out loud, I'm still putting Intel iGPU into consideration
celest musk
but you rather need information about your target group, and when you plan to release, etc.
maybe go to unity, they soon gonna have metric data 😛
noble plaza
Mobile games are honestly depressing. It's basically a marketing competition with a game at the forefront. Everyone in the market has ADHD so you need to constantly advertise, and optimise ad spend : revenue.
Min-maxing, the business.
shy garnet
Hi there used to be a video/meme of UE4's performance that points to bp nativation. I'm not sure if it was Luos, Jan Kaluza who made that video. Does anyone know where that is? I'd like to show it to someone whenever I'm being questioned on UE's performance. 🙄
foggy path
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500435139218767893/996807731438702682/Untitled_Project.mp4 this is why I wanted a simple video editor lol
just wanted to make a dumb joke lol
foggy path
Hi there used to be a video/meme of UE4's performance that points to bp nativati...
I don't think nativization is an option as of UE5 anyway 🤔
noble plaza
I don't think nativization is an option as of UE5 anyway 🤔
Not automatic, but there's still the #cpp and get bullied by Laura method of nativizing things
foggy path
Yeah I mean of course you can always manually port :D
quasi mantle
Mobile games are honestly depressing. It's basically a marketing competition wit...
Depends on your target audience, IMHO
If you think as if you're developing Diablo Immoral, then yeah, that's a point to think about.
*Immortal
noble plaza
Again, the forum thread a year ago had the market share at 15.1% for a game biased towards CIS at least, AKA a poorer, less hardware up to date region. That's nothing.
If you start now, a year later, you're starting the year when 32-bit Cortex CPU cores are no longer being produced. In 2-3 years a big chunk of that 15% would have upgraded once or twice, most likely to a 64 bit device.
Mobile gaming is more about specific target markets and relentless targeting, than casting a broad net, from what I've seen.
~5% share of the market is nothing, especially if you spend a week or two less in dev time from having to support prehistoric bricks
quasi mantle
Well, again, I'm developing a game where consistency with Intel iGPU is priority, maybe I'm thinking compatibility bullshit too much
noble plaza
I'm not sure what consistency with an iGPU means TBH
Like, being able to run on it at all?
quasi mantle
Like, being able to run on it at all?
Yes, consistent visuals even in low settings.
deep copper
Mobile games are honestly depressing. It's basically a marketing competition wit...
some ads are horrifying and borderline wrong
quasi mantle
One such major caveat is that mesh distance field isn't supported in Intel iGPU
devout karma
I don't think nativization is an option as of UE5 anyway 🤔
any explanation as to why it was taken out? not that I need it, but I'm curious
quasi mantle
any explanation as to why it was taken out? not that I need it, but I'm curious
Because it sucks
foggy path
^more or less this lol
noble plaza
Shit, slow, buggy, Verse
foggy path
it worked but it also was unreliable
deep copper
what does nativisation mean? turning bp to c++ or something?
quasi mantle
Like, being able to run on it at all?
Again, you can say I should neglect Intel iGPU entirely, and you maybe right, but my target is for it to be playable by wide range of PC hardware, including lowspec gaming rigs.
quasi mantle
what does nativisation mean? turning bp to c++ or something?
Yes, but it's more of reverse engineering BP code into C++ code
foggy path
what does nativisation mean? turning bp to c++ or something?
blueprint nativization was an automatic system that converts BP into native C++ code
foggy path
Yeah so I heard, never tried it as my BP's seem to perform just fine and I can do C++ myself when I feel like it :P
deep copper
that's cool, i always thought it was converted to c++ or something internally, guess not
noble plaza
Again, you can say I should neglect Intel iGPU entirely, and you maybe right, bu...
Well it's your call, but personally IDGAF about lower end PCs. I'll be done maybe never, last thing I need is impediments and roadblocks when I'm building with essentially early access engine that will see big time optimisations, as well as hardware advances by the time I'm looking to release, if ever.
I'd be very happy if even just a few people enjoyed it a lot, not doing multiplayer, long-term retention, etc etc. Just a one time experience, that's hopefully fun and memorable in some way, hopefully good.
The good thing about building your own game is you get to decide. The bad thing is, you have to live with the consequences haha
quasi mantle
that's cool, i always thought it was converted to c++ or something internally, g...
Think of BP more as a compiled scripting language, really.
noble plaza
Think of BP more as a compiled scripting language, really.
I thought scripting implied the language was not compiled lol
Do get what you mean though
quasi mantle
I thought scripting implied the language was not compiled lol
That'd be interpreted language, like Lua
timber viper
I think you can run lua without compiling though 🤔
You have to convert BPs to execution arguments to run first
quasi mantle
Which I don't like the syntaxing one bit smh 
(Lua)
noble plaza
compiled != transpiled though
Like TS is transpiled not compiled, and I suspect so is BP, but I'm not sure
deep copper
my knowledge only goes as far as interpreted and compiled
timber viper
each node in BP has native compilation arguments declared in C++
UFUNCTION(BlueprintCallable)s has a template of compilation arguments generated by UHT
they are K2Node_CallFunction's with additional params that UHT fills
noble plaza
Yeah so traditionally scripting languages essentially glue together native functionality, though they've gotten much less dumb over the years
I thought it interacted with the DLL/ LIB or whatever the output is TBH
timber viper
One day I'll find enough time to learn how to write a bytecode interpreter
when you said I actually researched about it and surprisingly it made a lot of sense
lmao not like that, I was expecting gaining some understanding and then doing another tons of research etc but it pretty much made many things clear
quasi mantle
BF is one of the simplest programming language to make interpreter out of
timber viper
i think biggest pita is parser
not the interpreter
how do we generate parsers 🤔 are you talking about "bottom up" approach?
kawai
noble plaza
I wonder if UE will eventually compile to WASM. Would be cool to have in-Itch.io playtest
primal summit
everyone knows 6811 assembly is king
noble plaza
Nah this is WebAssembly, basically sandboxed machine code running in-browser
primal summit
I also recently learned about that and it looks pretty cool
probably a bit bloaty for assembly
timber viper
i think mark made an integration of webassembly or something similar to its name
noble plaza
They just dropped HTML5 without a clear replacement, surely they have something underway
primal summit
it's like java but for resource micromanagers
noble plaza
UE source has a few WebAssembly references 🤔
quasi mantle
I wonder if UE will eventually compile to WASM. Would be cool to have in-Itch.io...
Wasn't Emscripten basically WASM?
Emscripten was what UE4 used for HTML5 build
noble plaza
Emscripten is what a lot of languages use to build to WASM yeah, it's a very common compiler/toolchain for it
soft night
new things https://wasmer.io/ and https://bytecodealliance.org/
quasi mantle
crypto investors ^
Hippity hoppity your artwork is now my NFT
Well, not really name change, just my derived surname
It's a mashup, really
deep copper
it looks like the same person, and makoto isn't someone who would switch to someone else it seems!
quasi mantle
It's just for funsies, really
deep copper
oh right, if it's not the real last name it means makoto got married!
stone whale
It's... fine... if you don't think about anything for longer than a moment
primal summit
goldfish!
quasi mantle
oh right, if it's not the real last name it means makoto got married!
||I wish||
stone whale
It's like a case study in Dunning-Kruger, lots of extrapolating from half-understood concepts and jerking off to how clever the author is and how much they adore Ayn Rand
but some parts of it are compelling
the ending left me feeling a bit unsatisfied though
what's MI again?
deep copper
mass ieffect i am guessing, as always
stone whale
oh right
deep copper
oof, close,
stone whale
I do think it has redeeming qualities, with sufficient suspension of disbelief
a lot of it sounds fine on the surface unless you stop and go "hang on a minute"
the prose is pretty competent, but there are pacing issues and many characters aren't really developed super deeply
also it's got this weird thing going on where everyone is ostensibly 11 or whatever but they act and talk like they're adults
with the main character that's... fine, giving the central conceit, but the rest of the school acts weird too
quasi mantle
mass ieffect i am guessing, as always
Mass Interdimensionality
stone whale
(for anyone spectating, there was a context switch and the topic from the beforetimes was HPMOR)
(actually that's not a great analogy)
deep copper
MI did lead me to HP results
stone whale
yeah
deep copper
and Ayn is some author and dunning kruger is an effect
stone whale
such an abhorrent set of values to form a gross fan club around, gives me the heebie jeebies
deep copper
let me search those words up, a sec
stone whale
and the wikipedia page doesn't really do it justice... it's more like a feeling you get when reading her works or just watching her talk in interviews
deep copper
okay yeah i can see a few b/w interviews around
it seems this is some political figure, the search result suggestions have political words
yeah okay more of a philosopher
stone whale
lol not RNG, a person
deep copper
the name is so easy to type atleast
okay not the real name
pen name is easy to type
quasi mantle
lol not RNG, a person
Ayn Random Number Generator 
quasi mantle
MGS2-esque AI I guess
deep copper
This?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
LOL the description here has an empty () after the name too xD
stone whale
my feeling is that it should either always return 1 or flip a coin or something
quasi mantle
LOL the description here has an empty () after the name too xD
AynRand()
stone whale
that's where the pronunciation key goes, but doesn't embed properly 🤔
deep copper
my feeling is that it should either always return 1 or flip a coin or something
or generate a book
quasi mantle
I feel like my other game story draft is a little too MGS2-esque, AI governing social media, evil mega corp experimenting with brainwashing since early 80s, those kind of crap
stone whale
that's only a few steps away from being Deus Ex-like
quasi mantle
Absolutely.
deep copper
Rand is always criticized for being a poor philosopher and for some of her concepts to which philosophers say can bring modern society to its knees
deep copper
I feel like my other game story draft is a little too MGS2-esque, AI governing s...
does it also says games cause violence?
stone whale
to me, she just was so cynical and abrasive and intransigent when it came to adjusting views which I assume must result from some kind of emotional trauma
foggy path
as a philosophy noob it seems the most value from that is it makes you think about stuff you haven't thought about.... the specifics of what the philosopher's opinion on that are seem less important
quasi mantle
Since it'd be some not so distant cyberpunk story, it'll be a time where idol group is thriving, and protagonist have the path to join one of them.
stone whale
well to be fair I didn't say I disagreed with her philosophical points, I just said she was a cunt 😄
you can make good points and still be an unlikeable person
though I think she was way off on at least a couple of key topics...
quasi mantle
Since it'd be some not so distant cyberpunk story, it'll be a time where idol gr...
Things have changed since the 1980s, it's a new era, past the new millenium
stone whale
I've always meant to play through the MGS games but never got around to it
but I hear the story is bonkers
quasi mantle
||yes, I'm going to do Fallout 4/Snatcher there||
deep copper
Fact: Ayn Rand developed lung cancer at a later stage in her life and hence she had availed the benefits of social security, a fund which is paid for by the taxpayers to assist the underprivileged. She used it for medical bills for her cancer from smoking, the likeness of which she had been captivated by when she read an article that links smoking and cancer are a Hoax. huh
deep copper
you can make good points and still be an unlikeable person
she does seem to have some, weird concepts around
quasi mantle
but I hear the story is bonkers
The ones that Hideo Kojima has direct influence on, yeah
stone whale
my only experience with the series is a level I played the start of at a friends house, where the dude emerges from a sewer, has NVGs and walks up a pier and to a door and then you could like knock the wall to distract guards or something...
deep copper
as a philosophy noob it seems the most value from that is it makes you think abo...
that's a good way to look at it 🤔
stone whale
then maybe at the end there was a helipad
foggy path
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is the first one I played after Metal Gear Solid a long long time ago
it was pretty dope
MGSV was pretty fun too but a totally different pace from Revengeance lol
quasi mantle
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is the first one I played after Metal Gear Solid a...
Of course you picked the meme fest one
foggy path
Nobody made them when I played it tho lol
quasi mantle
STANDING HERE I REALISE
foggy path
It's only recently that it's had that resurgence
quasi mantle
I known the game from the Pepsiman mod lol
deep copper
https://m.xkcd.com/1277/
i was NOT expecting that xD
primal summit
hrm, preview's busted:
soft night
quasi mantle
stone whale
hrm, preview's busted:
huh I forgot about this one -- it actually sums things up pretty well
fleet tangle
Pepsiman final boss should really be Cokeman.
stone whale
is that the meme where the theme song sounds like "pet semen"
quasi mantle
Pepsiman final boss should really be Cokeman.
This one was the battle with cokeman
https://youtu.be/ghoGEuNNC5s
deep copper
they look so ripped
stone whale
steroids
soft night
deep copper
it makes them look healthy xD
stone whale
definitely not natty gains
fleet tangle
is that the meme where the theme song sounds like "pet semen"
Cannot unhear pet semen.
Especially with that final part.
deep copper
it is what it is
deep copper
peps eman
quasi mantle
Pepsiman final boss should really be Cokeman.
The lengthy battle
https://youtu.be/I2n-rCr2i5Y
deep copper
that thumbnail is kinda cool
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/mr-cakes-foodie-delicious-homemade-foodiegram-gif-2335711...
i really want to slap that cake
celest musk
i was about to write "i really want to slap you"
but as i know you.... you would enjoy it
primal summit
https://tenor.com/view/mr-cakes-foodie-delicious-homemade-foodiegram-gif-2382668...
He should have shown him cutting into the full bottle, the level dropping each frame to just below the cut mark!
soft night
deep copper
but as i know you.... you would enjoy it
yes, because you atleast end up touching me.
you know me so well ! ah, that makes me a lot happy in itself 🫂 <3
crisp rose
everyday i work with UE i wish i would have paid attention in math class 🤦♂️
you are right ofc 😄
english isn't my native language
stone whale
mine too!
I can sense you fidgeting in discomfort, trying to abstain from correcting that to "neither"
crisp rose
vector math just confuses me, it never works out as i think it should LOL
stone whale
vector math is easy so long as you have fingers
whenever I'm doing graphics stuff I'm just sitting at my computer doing naruto hand signs
crisp rose
xD
stone whale
gotta remember to use the left hand with UE though
deep copper
atleast gamdev math is needed only when you have a real problem which you can have fun solving sometimes, or so i have heard
stone whale
because they chose the WRONG chirality
crisp rose
oh yeah i had a blast when i figured out a problem eaerlier which i was stuck on for two days
stone whale
yes that's me playing with FVectors
deep copper
this midjourney server pings a lot with @ everyone
stone whale
to me Z+ is where the camera points
wait shit, I just reverse uno carded myself
hang on there's an argument for right handed that makes sense
crisp rose
never understood that left/right handed thing, just rotate the hand and you can have either 😄
stone whale
that doesn't just boil down to "it's what I used in EE/physics"
it's because you label your fingers A and B, and that labeling can't change
or... X Y Z, whatever
well you can also dip the fingers in RGB paint
or plastidip
stone whale
yeah I changed my mind, I want Z+ to come out of the paper
I think that's where my preference came from initially
from growing up drawing XY graphs the usual way and thinking of 3D extensions as popping out of the paper... but idk
plus all the pixie wrangling stuff
yeah there you go, coordinate systems are right handed because my physics textbooks said so, yeah
QED
the only true api is vulkan now
deep copper
imagine if there was a fork/branch/whatever of ue just to change this !
stone whale
no but it's true, I'm saying goodbye to all the microsoft-tainted detritus
no more windows, no more directx, no more C#
soft night
stone whale
filthy animals
deep copper
it kinda just hit me but I don't remember anyone ever saying something good about c++ 👁️
stone whale
It's the best language ever
mossy nexus
the good thing about cpp is that it is cpp
deep copper
and .h
stone whale
it's got none of this extra virtual machine crap or windows complications, no extra safety measures, etc.
timber viper
it's got none of this extra virtual machine crap or windows complications, no ex...
C# has VM? 
stone whale
well...
timber viper
Are you confusing it with Java for a chance?
mossy nexus
screw you guys, I'm going back to COBOL
stone whale
I mean the dig at JVM wasn't even all that good a point, considering what performance optimizations that enables
kind of counter-intuitively
lol
timber viper
but whats weird about it was at 2010 people were saying "microsoft just invented c# to rival java, its garbage".. probably no one foresee C# could improve and get better
fleet tangle
Obviously, more caffeine.
stone whale
Well, similarly C++ detractors are probably thinking of C++98
what's your main gripe with it?
what's your main ovearching gripe against C++ in general
deep copper
it should have been A++!
timber viper
it should have been A++!
have you finished your book
deep copper
have you finished your book
not at all! left at 75 or something
timber viper
real question though can any c# container be fast as TArray?
or TSet
but better than std?
stone whale
Doesn't C# have comparitively a lot more syntactic filler?
timber viper
so there are better containers?
stone whale
so in terms of speed of development, wouldn't you argue for something like python as the top level language to use in your project?
STL containers don't have " a performance ", right?
stone whale
surely that's a compiler implementation detail
timber viper
isnt new just an allocation thing
stone whale
there are enough containers that you can choose the right one for your requirements
I mean std::map is usually the wrong choice
what compromises do the other implementations have to make for that though?
deep copper
is this why ue is bringing verse
stone whale
no I mean specifically, what's slowing unordered map down?
deep copper
its literally for meta*verse*
wasn't that about, vr or something?
stone whale
as for all the memory stuff, I think you're meant to use allocation pools and various other strategies, since you're meant to be managing your own memory
timber viper
wasn't that about, vr or something?
its just the idea of making virtual environments more accessible and common
stone whale
these benchmarks don't really represent a realistic use case
a map isn't a vector and shouldn't be used as such
timber viper
letting people creating things there and spending time is the biggest step
and tim is trying to dominate it by doing weird things
his goal is to make verse main programming language for this
stone whale
I'm not sure how to feel about the rng one but that's a bit better
deep copper
his goal is to make verse main programming language for this
so.. no more c++ in ue or what, or no more bp, is it replacing anything in the coming future?
timber viper
so.. no more c++ in ue or what, or no more bp, is it replacing anything in the c...
both will exists but verse will added on top of them
it's probably going to use same backend with BP
leaks and rumors verify this so far
deep copper
i guess it's more flexibility or something
timber viper
for game development its biggest advantage will be easier modding and probably we will be able to edit verse code after shipping games
for a game like fortnite it means bigger things
deep copper
for game development its biggest advantage will be easier modding and *probably*...
wait after shipping too? that's neat
timber viper
its a common technology actually, even with some Lua integrations you can do it in UE
deep copper
i can see why other languages would stay for the other parts now
stone whale
How much of this is attributable to g++ though?
although it really shouldn't be that bad 🤔
generally I haven't had use cases where my code has been so slow that I've had to replace STL
productivity boost? C# is a lot harder to write and there's a whole bunch of boilerplate
at least there was when I last looked at it
Well, I'll have to learn it when I start messing around with Unity eventually
deep copper
why does it sounds like c++ didn't change much compared to c#
timber viper
is there any good thing about unity in this decade
stone whale
hm....
timber viper
real question
stone whale
but opting in and volunteering to use any of that .NET crap makes me feel dirty
Unity is at least a good excuse
foggy path
Unity C# is still better than Java 
timber viper
Unity C# is still better than Java <:alex:330044263201112066>
java is that bad? huh
stone whale
I just haven't had the best user experience
proud jay
if you think c# is harder to write than c++, you're doing something wrong my man
deep copper
java is that bad? huh
i heard java is lengthy but didn't know it had that bad reputation
proud jay
.NET is cross platform
stone whale
some of that could be down to what I'm used to
proud jay
so no windows hate
stone whale
Huh, I guess that's a misconception of mine, I thought it was mostly just ways to talk to the operating system
instead of like winapi like back in the beforetimes
proud jay
there used to be .net for windows an .net core for cross platform
but it's all one now
stone whale
what does cross platform .NET contain?
deep copper
there used to be .net for windows an .net core for cross platform
so no more .net spam when opening the uninstall menu of windows? cool
night grove
IMHO the ONLY reason Unity is on the map is because they adopted C# and leveraged other people's efforts
stone whale
man the word ASP also just makes me physically ill
proud jay
why you hatin like this
stone whale
it's like every single experience I had with the windows native stuff was just terrible, but it was a while ago
I remember ASP websites being even worse than PHP
deep copper
i see why companies do rebranding and change names now
stone whale
🤔
stone whale
My most recent experience with C# was when a couple of years ago someone from the team needed to pass some Microsoft C# exam just to license a bit of software or... something?
foggy path
Yeah I vaguely remember seeing some ASP.NET MVC stuff and it looked pretty straightforward
Nothing beats PHP's ease of deployability though :P
stone whale
but yeah, studying for that, I didn't really like the C# syntax, it seemed like there was a ton of extra concepts that just seemed superfluous
or syntax maybe
proud jay
like what
proud jay
I don't see how you could find c# superfluous if you're used to c++
I actively hate Rust
stone whale
I tried, it was unpleasant, but for the sake of intellectual honesty I should try again at some point
foggy path
while(true)alert('kek')
stone whale
I hate Rust too even though I don't know it... I guess I should be less reserved
proud jay
a ++ operator is not a meme 😭
stone whale
hey that I can get behind
proud jay
I feel like c# is adding more and more of the ease of use of python
stone whale
idk why that MS learning resource was trying to shove classes and a million different types of strings or whatever down my throat
proud jay
or python-like stuff at least
stone whale
"you don't even need main()" would have been a much stronger selling point
deep copper
i guess people just prefer to write less now a days
primal summit
or break a finger
proud jay
that is just madness
stone whale
As for JS, I'm a fan of that too
proud jay
I only wrote one function using dynamic in the 2 years I've been at current job
stone whale
I just wish it had operator overloading
proud jay
and it was to handle some auto generated classes
deep copper
JS is a bit overcomplicated with fancy syntax i would say, specially with different versions around
timber viper
why no one talks about how beautiful Ada is
proud jay
why no one talks about how beautiful Ada is
this looks like Shakespeare but shorter
timber viper
its cobol in disguise
stone whale
I dunno, maybe I'm jaded and stuck in my ways
timber viper
but running on F-16 and F-22s 😄
stone whale
I only gave JS a chance because I was more or less forced to
timber viper
and I bet Laura has some familiarity with it
proud jay
JS has some nice stuff, but I just can't handle dynamic languages man, why would you do that
broken sigil
I think you all are missing some ai art
stone whale
because you can just slap things together and it's quick and easy
proud jay
you can slap some runtime errors together yeah
stone whale
so long as you can hold it all together in your head, strict typing just slows you down
I dunno what the issue is, I have a wonderful time with it and I barely get any errors
and it's so much faster to write JS than anything else I know
well, maybe python...
deep copper
I dunno what the issue is, I have a wonderful time with it and I barely get any ...
the pain was mainly syntax for me, every library follows something different
stone whale
but JS is in the browser by default
proud jay
AU knows programming 🤯
stone whale
don't you dare take my JS away from me
you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands
deep copper
AU knows programming 🤯
if js and python count, yeah
proud jay
that new MAUI framework looks neat as well
stone whale
the pain was mainly syntax for me, every library follows something different
I mean the JS syntax itself is consistent between libraries, but yeah they use different conventions
primal summit
someone will make a js to wasm compiler
stone whale
TS takes away the good parts of JS and makes it more like the other languages
proud jay
smh supressing overlord microsoft made this /s
proud jay
TS takes away the good parts of JS and makes it more like the other languages
the good languages
stone whale
I work solo on JS, and mostly use it for prototyping
so all this "better make sure nobody calls my function with the wrong thing" stuff is superfluous for me
so I can just be fast when writing a little tool for myself
stone whale
tell me you haven't read the preceding two lines I wrote without telling me you haven't read the preceding two lines I wrote...
deep copper
Go is actually fast according to some "benchmarks" i have heard, but no one uses it idk why
proud jay
the two lines before just confirm the point?
stone whale
revise your deduction because it's a non sequitur?
proud jay
Go is actually fast according to some "benchmarks" i have heard, but no one uses...
you know what's fast, c++
stone whale
uhhuh
All professional larger team stuff I've done is C++, I've only been paid to write JS for small in-house tools
stuff that only has a couple of users and only I see the source code of unless the world is on fire
deep copper
you know what's fast, c++
is that why people wanted bp nativisation 🤔
deep copper
so it doesn't work
isn't fast
looks gross
stone whale
so how does modern C# work, does it still have that IL stuff?
so il2cpp is mostly for Unity where presumably you can't decide?
timber viper
I dont get Jai
stone whale
Do people actually write cross-platform C#, like are there codebases out there in the FOSS ecosystem?
proud jay
wait there' non-IL option for c#?
proud jay
Do people actually write cross-platform C#, like are there codebases out there i...
wtf is FOSS?
stone whale
free and open source software
proud jay
oh
stone whale
so much of it that I frequent just uses C and C++
timber viper
haha, I mean I don't understand what special about it. I watched a few videos about it after some special person I know mentioned it, but didnt get what the hype is about
stone whale
I'm trying to find some good examples to read for reasons to learn the language
deep copper
why <:Thonk:305426654421975041>
maybe it's more optimized for modern hardware idk
proud jay
I right, I knew about il2cpp
never used any of them though
I guess .NET itself is FOSS?
or am I wrong
stone whale
there's definitely some cognitive dissonance, since I consider GC to be a mark against C# but I'm all for it in JS
although my use cases for either are different
yeah don't remind me
proud jay
.NET code if you care https://github.com/dotnet
stone whale
Although in UE it's more like... there's a pre-existing implementation for memory management that's already application specific
deep copper
rust is getting roasted
stone whale
I'm saying that general purpose GC is different from a game engine doing a very limited subset of that
although given how flexible UE is, you could find some weird cases probably... idk
Despite all that, I don't doubt that modern GC is fast, I'm sure they've put a lot of engineering effort into it
timber viper
The Jai philosophy is, if you don’t want idiots writing bad code for your project, then don’t hire any idiots.
ooof
natural selection will cause a massacre
deep copper
> The Jai philosophy is, if you don’t want idiots writing bad code for your proj...
so jai can only be learned by non idiots?
stone whale
imagine hiring people, 
deep copper
or what does it mean
timber viper
so jai can only be learned by non idiots?
only non idiots can provide working code
deep copper
ah, so no copy pasting etc works?
stone whale
something something kernighan's law
stone whale
why, you don't like math?
timber viper
isnt pascal delphi but free
deep copper
it's an adorable face!
stone whale
wait do they distinguish between assignment and definition, or is that just a funky operator= ?
foggy path
delphi is an ide for object pascal... I think
deep copper
delphi is an ide for object pascal... I think
google shows city to me
foggy path
lol
timber viper
Arbitrary Compile-Time Code Execution
Suppose I want to write a function in C that converts a linear color value to sRGB. This involves the pow() function, which is on the expensive side. We can avoid pow() by doing the calculation ourselves instead and distributing the results as part of our program. So we write a table of values and return those.
isnt this something very common around every compiled languages?
especially in C++
foggy path
also the name pascal is kinda funny in finnish because the way you read it sounds like saying "I'm taking a shit"
stone whale
joking aside, I do think I should probably try to broaden my horizons a bit and try more languages, like actually attempt to use some instead of just glancing at a tutorial or snippet
timber viper
it helps though even if its micro one
its free optimization 
what if you call it 1k times?
0.01 * 1000 is not nothing
deep copper
what if you call it 1k times?
and for millions of people, imagine all that time they could save !
proud jay
see, this is go
deep copper
pss if it's about fps then the time spent by user would be equal regardless of it being fast
it being fast would mean nothing, i mean
the player would still play the game for 30 hours, just with 0.001 fps more or less
proud jay
but what if you wrote your entire game as a constexpr
timber viper
see, this is go
no doubt jonathan inspired from it
A defer statement, similar to that of Go
so an activision game from 2011?
proud jay
who tf is jonathan
timber viper
creator of jai
proud jay
only jonathan I know of is Jonathan Blow
timber viper
yes it is
timber viper
Jai is a high-level programming language developed by Jonathan Blow, creator of indie games Braid and, most recently, The Witness.
proud jay
I knew he was making something
stone whale
what are your goto ways for exposing yourselves to new languages? I feel like a kid being told to eat their vegetables
deep copper
after being blocked by auto mods they changed names and the language they use
stone whale
goto is the only acceptable way to break early out of an inner loop
proud jay
what are your goto ways for exposing yourselves to new languages? I feel like a ...
just do something
stone whale
or maybe it was something else
proud jay
one thing I do for new language trying is https://adventofcode.com/
deep copper
Jonathan go
proud jay
jon skeet incognito
you know C# is good because Jon Skeet answers all its questions while he is actually a Java developer
this tells you how many people enjoy Java
the correct answer is 0
proud jay
ngl this is one good thing in Rust, it has those labeled for loops
stone whale
I thought that was a C++ syntax I had somehow failed to encounter but I can't get it to work
deep copper
what are your goto ways for exposing yourselves to new languages? I feel like a ...
use it for something JS can't be used for,
like dealing with files or something idk
proud jay
'outer: for x in 0..5 {
for y in 0..5 {
if y > 2{
break 'outer
}
println!("x: {}, y: {}", x, y);
}
}
``` like thisbut JS can totally do files
and so can C++
stone whale
I mean even your browser can use local storage
deep copper
i mean, this is why i never moved out of python or js, no reason to
stone whale
I mean you don't exactly have filesystem access without using something like Node, for good reasons
proud jay
i mean, this is why i never moved out of python or js, no reason to
static typing is a good reason
proud jay
making an engine is a fun learning experience
deep copper
static typing is a good reason
imagine me ever requiring to use that xD, I don't even program much
stone whale
Yeah I mean I wouldn't start writing an engine, as an entrepreneur, on my own, apropo of nothing
would have to be a hobby/passion/learning thing
deep copper
exactly :D !
stone whale
although if someone pays me to write one, why not
deep copper
having a nice and quick walk to the grocery is all i do!
abstract trellis
stone whale
I guess the takeaway here is that I should give Rust another chance
deep copper
either way, the only way i think you can move out of a language is using the other for what it's best at and what you already can't do with the language you know too well
stone whale
you've convinced me
deep copper
the English rip
stone whale
fine, C# can come too
deep copper
Why not C as well
stone whale
I'll find a way to get it to run on ubuntu and try to figure out something to do with it
I already know C, no need to rip that bandaid
legacy, yes... probably
dead, unfortunately (for many) no
deep copper
i think most python libraries use C to speed themselves up with that cython thing or whatever
because python was too slow for them by default
stone whale
but there you don't have to be afraid because they keep the C in a cage
regal pecan
missed opportunity to name it Cthon
turbid spindleBOT
@ionic flame, :8ball: As I see it, yes.
stone whale
I still do C for things like... hmm
deep copper
!8ball let's hug
turbid spindleBOT
@deep copper, :8ball: Cannot predict now.
proud jay
why the fuck is blender in C
proud jay
nice
stone whale
perfectly nice, as all things should be
deep copper
i never knew blender was in C
proud jay
rip Blender is actually older than me
stone whale
well... maybe sort of?
proud jay
it uses python cause python is easy to script in
stone whale
you wouldn't want to write Cycles in something like Python but for users to write their scripts and extensions with it, it's great
deep copper
and adobe uses extension script where stuff looks like js and gross in a tiny space they provide!
proud jay
damn, this is a good thing to put on jai primer
Since then Jon has said that he doesn't think the contents of this document describe Jai well or his intentions with it.
deep copper
no i meant that one which starts with E in ps and ae and stuff
stone whale
So I could in principle write C# in a linux environment, to build a linux program, and it wouldn't be a hacky, brain dead thing to do in 2022?
deep copper
you wouldn't want to write Cycles in something like Python but for users to writ...
it's kinda neat,
broken sigil
Found the cpu I was using when I first started with UE4 lol
stone whale
Gonna try and give it a shot at some point
deep copper
Found the cpu I was using when I first started with UE4 lol
is that ai or real,
broken sigil
Here, have some
broken sigil
is that ai or real,
That's real
stone whale
I guess the most painless way would be to use VSC
what's a bit of herpes between friends
VS, on Ubuntu?
Since when is MS this cross platform?
deep copper
i heard linux has wine which helps it run some windows stuff
deep copper
33? 3x3? 3?
stone whale
I mean I still don't like MS as a company with their business practices and whatnot, but if there's a way to keep only the good parts, maybe it's fine
proud jay
VS itself is not linux though
stone whale
Oh... Another bit of news that didn't make it to my rock
deep copper
I mean I still don't like MS as a company with their business practices and what...
what business practices are we talking about exactly 😅
stone whale
well... where should I start...
deep copper
subscriptions or something?
bugs?
stone whale
the most recent thing on my mind is how terrible windows has become after they inexplicably laid off their testing department
proud jay
Satya is good boy CEO
deep copper
i am not a fan of ms either but stuff works so
stone whale
and offloaded that testing to their users
how they pushed win10, the way they behaved in the 90s...
deep copper
wait is that why people were forcefully upgraded to win next versions?
proud jay
who was forced?
deep copper
or atleast it kept pestering idk
stone whale
the way they refuse to fix serious security vulnerabilites
proud jay
don't hate, but I liked win 8.1
stone whale
lots of issues, mostly windows centric though
proud jay
are you a Linux user
stone whale
I'm on Win10 atm
proud jay
so why you hatin
stone whale
because I've endured a lifetime of needless suffering 
Yeah I never grew out of that phase
proud jay
because I've endured a lifetime of needless suffering <:kappa:230139910307315712...
use linux and suffer some more
deep copper
hey atleast you can hand make stuff in linux and be proud of it, or so i have heard
stone whale
seems less tied to your age and more tied to some vicissitude of fate
yeah I mean linux is... coming along but it's still a bit of a mess
but they're trying really hard
deep copper
i tried to get into linux and then i realised linux isn't one, it's way too many,
stone whale
Most of the issues with linux are kind of a chicken and egg problem, it's hard to say where the line is when it gets "good"
proud jay
ubuntu is ok for basic usage