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noble plaza
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That's called a bench press I suppose

deep copper
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never heard of that xD

deep copper
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guess this gif doesn't want to show itself

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how shy

foggy path
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this is a bench press

deep copper
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how in the world did you even find this xD

foggy path
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I was going to make a composite of two photos to that effect, but decided to search for "man leaning against bench" and that came up lol

noble plaza
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Favourite photo tbh

deep copper
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that's nice keywords 👾

deep copper
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maybe it wants that pizza

noble plaza
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Samoyed 'smile' for survival haha

noble plaza
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It's an ice cold weather adaptation - curved up lips means water doesn't stick and freeze on their mouth

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But yeah, she looks very happy most of the time :)

deep copper
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man, that's a double cheat adaptation, humans would love to be around them now !

noble plaza
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Yeah that too! Wolves evolved eyebrow muscles during domestication. Expressive eyes made them cuter and easier to figure out

deep copper
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evolution is so interesting xD

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wait is that why humans also didn't lose eyebrows 🤔 , for expressing

noble plaza
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Like a 5 year old girl came up to me the other day and said she wanted to pat my doggo, but wasn't allowed to because she was 'smiling', didn't know what to say to her so I had to go figure it out with her mum haha. Well taught kid though

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Most of the time if kids/non-dog people think a dog's smiling, it's distressed or aggressive.

deep copper
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maybe that's seen as scary

deep copper
foggy path
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I have no idea what a smiling dog looks like if it's also distressed but it seems it would be clear if it was distressed otherwise

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Although I guess probably not for kids? I dunno

zinc matrix
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The bot is getting on my nerves

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I think I somehow broke it in under like 5 minutes lol

foggy path
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Manny?

zinc matrix
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Yeah

foggy path
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!8ball r u broken

turbid spindleBOT
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@foggy path, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

noble plaza
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We fed this thing a tomato once, and it keeps coming down looking for food now SMH

zinc matrix
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Just take it in

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Adopt it

deep copper
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it's yours now

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!!

foggy path
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I saw a fox the other day, never seen one before and it was fairly close to the city too

deep copper
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what did it say?

foggy path
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the same thing the crazy frog says

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it was pretty annoying so I left

noble plaza
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Nah Maple would tear it apart

zinc matrix
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Are you in the Florida area

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I’ll come pick it up if so

noble plaza
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She was literally flinging one around by the tail once, had to run away and separate them

zinc matrix
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My cat did that to a mouse once

noble plaza
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It's a different animal than you're thinking 😛

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It's a possum, don't think NA has them

zinc matrix
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We have possums

noble plaza
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Possums or opossums?

zinc matrix
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At my old house we had one living under it

foggy path
zinc matrix
zinc matrix
foggy path
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I wonder if we even have those here

noble plaza
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Yeah just double checked, possums aren't native to the US

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Opossums are, and people shorten that to just possum

zinc matrix
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Oh ok then lol

noble plaza
zinc matrix
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Anyways time to see if manny is no longer broken for me looking for unpaid help with game

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Nope

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He’s still telling me to choose a number when I already did

foggy path
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I was looking on wikipedia if they're even related but not much I guess, squirrels are rodents and possums are marsupials

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although it seems a "squirrel glider" is a type of possum

noble plaza
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That reminds me, I fucking hate the name grapefruit. Ah yes, graphefruit. The fruit version of grapes, which are also a fruit.

foggy path
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guinea pigs are actually called marsu in finnish but they're rodents, wonder where that name comes from 🤔

soft night
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!8ball are you broken?

turbid spindleBOT
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@soft night, :8ball: Without a doubt.

soft night
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!8ball you like sharks?

turbid spindleBOT
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@soft night, :8ball: Without a doubt.

noble plaza
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The name's too close to casu marzu for comfort. Nightmare cheese.

foggy path
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no idea what that is lol

soft night
foggy path
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but looks like marsu is derived from the swedish word marsvin which is guinea pig in that language

noble plaza
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It's like a nice sharp cheese broken by adding maggots to it, and leting the maggots proliferate for a while. Then you eat it as is

foggy path
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ew

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lol

zinc matrix
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Most people don’t even think of it like a eggplant

noble plaza
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Bro you live next to Sweden, I tried to try surstromming. It's worse.

zinc matrix
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It’s used in a lot of different contexts

foggy path
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never tried surströmming and probably will not lol

noble plaza
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The shopkeeper told us to not open it indoors, or near people haha. They were right

zinc matrix
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Did you open it indoors and near people?

foggy path
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sounds like swedish durian

noble plaza
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No, but some people in the park looked at us in panic, and got further away. It's... bad

foggy path
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do they sell it to kids

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I bet it would make a fantastic stink bomb

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lol

fleet tangle
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Is that the vomit fruit?

noble plaza
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Durian actually slaps. There's an Asian place here that does durian bubble tea, and it's amazing

foggy path
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Yeah I've heard durian is really tasty but the smell is awful lol

fleet tangle
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A bit like that rotting herring stuff or natto.

foggy path
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yeah surströmming

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lol

noble plaza
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Or hakarl, which is similar but with sharks I think

foggy path
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in finland we just have fishcock

noble plaza
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Umm what

foggy path
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it does not contain cock

fleet tangle
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In Iceland they probably do something with whales.

foggy path
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fishcock, that's what it's called in english lol

noble plaza
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Yeah hakarl is Icelandic

foggy path
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it's a type of food which is like.. fish wrapped in rye bread

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sorta like that anyway

zinc matrix
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What’s you guys favorite game genre

fleet tangle
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Hmm,

foggy path
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minesweeper

fleet tangle
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Probably RPG?

noble plaza
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Action RPG probably, but IDK

fleet tangle
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MP survival games are also great.

noble plaza
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I love Game Pass because I try lots of games, figure out how things work and get bored, then move on

foggy path
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yeah coop survivals are fun

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and yeah game pass is great value for money

noble plaza
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I can't do multiplayer anymore, just seems pointless.

Smash Bros though

foggy path
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Yeah I don't play a lot of mp stuff unless it's co-op, or shooters that I otherwise enjoy

noble plaza
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Holy shit, Greenland sharks can live up to 400 years

zinc matrix
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I like space games the most tbh

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They are really fun

zinc matrix
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I am gonna save up to go to that space hotel when it opens

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It’s gonna cost 1 million dollars tho

foggy path
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good luck

zinc matrix
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Thanks

foggy path
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I calculated I'll have 1 mil saved when I'm 60... assuming of course current interest rates hold up and I can keep saving the same amount :P

foggy path
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and assuming that I don't feel like spending any of it before that lol

noble plaza
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When interest rates go down dump it into ETFs, ez.

foggy path
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Yeah it doesn't quite work like that

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You'd have to sell first to be able to rebuy

noble plaza
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I got tired of having a job and am taking a short break, travel Europe and shit. But it's such a good time to invest right now, markets are dead

foggy path
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at which point you take a hit on taxes

noble plaza
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Sell what? Bank credit?

foggy path
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well I meant saving into funds, not just sitting the money on a bank account

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probably take me til I'm 120 if it was just sitting in an account lol

noble plaza
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Oh righto, I thought you were going off like a savings account haha

foggy path
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yeah the interest rates on those are garbage

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you'll be lucky to get 0.5%

fleet tangle
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Algorand has a pretty good interested rate compared to 0.5%...

noble plaza
fleet tangle
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Ah okay.

noble plaza
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Blockchain...

timber viper
noble plaza
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My first job was at a blockchain co and the founders threw a party where I was offered like 6 different drugs, at a mansion sometimes booked by porn firms for shoot days.

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They ran out of money a few months later and we were all fired 4 days before Christmas

foggy path
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lol

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typical pump and dump scheme I guess, spent it while you have it

noble plaza
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Oh and we had to deliver an Ethereum implementation at some point, but didn't have it working. So we were made to build the interface and back it by a database...

foggy path
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haha

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you could have just advertised it as being green and eco friendly at that point

noble plaza
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100% immune to 51% attacks :)))

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Unless they renamed the old one, it's still being traded apparently 🤔

foggy path
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wonder how far is btc going to drop... it's been pushing the 19k limit for a while now but I don't think it's gone below it yet 🤔

fleet tangle
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It's well below that! In gbp anyway 😛

noble plaza
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Jesus, my crypto ETF-esque thing is down 68%

fleet tangle
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Yeah, crypto crashed big time.

noble plaza
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I just stopped checking my investments, don't intend to sell for a while unless Europe bankrupts me, and economy is in the mud ATM so whatever

foggy path
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lol

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wonder how 21Shares' ETF type things are doing

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they're probably down like the rest of the crypto market

noble plaza
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That's since March too

foggy path
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yeah HODL is down as well but it's not surprising I guess

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I know the CEO of 21Shares, I think their business is still doing fine in general

noble plaza
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COVID was like the best thing ever for stonks

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Nothing to spend money on, might as well invest

foggy path
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lol

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I spent plenty of money, I bought new racing sim gear and whatnot lol

noble plaza
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Yeah games and other entertainment did well too for sure

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Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing on the same day, at the start of lockdowns, was fortunate. Kept both me and my partner busy

foggy path
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yeah doom was pretty good

fleet tangle
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Home entertainment and medical supplies.

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Covid did them proud.

quasi mantle
noble plaza
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My gf was working on a flu test, they pivoted to COVID.

She hates science now and wants to quit.

quasi mantle
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"Party" till you broke

fleet tangle
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Lol, why?

finite lark
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@fathom wadi Marc buddy, i will give it a try to upgrade to 5.0 the experimental vehicle thingy

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we got now an async substed callback

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i need to make some changes to make the thing retrocompatible with ue4

noble plaza
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Because she was doing 80-100 hour weeks, and was being forced to sign off and carry out things she knew were some blend of inethical and unscientific

foggy path
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Forced? 🤔 I mean quitting is always an option unless you're in dire straits financially

proud jay
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how do people just accept working 80 hour weeks lol

foggy path
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I guess by being in dire straits financially

proud jay
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when my clock hits 38 hours I'm shutting down my laptop cya

foggy path
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I wouldn't, I'd just clock out at 40 and then if it's a problem for them they can fire me lol

fleet tangle
noble plaza
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There's like 3 bioscience firms here, and they're all horror stories. It's either that or working at supermarkets or something

fleet tangle
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Where are you from?

quasi mantle
proud jay
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hell, probably

noble plaza
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Australia

foggy path
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I mean honestly what's the worst they'll do if you just say no to working over 40 hours

proud jay
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I was right

fleet tangle
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And that's probalby why they are horror stories. No competition for well paying jobs.

foggy path
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they might not do anything

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:P

noble plaza
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Yeah it was like ~15 hours shifts 3 days a week, and sometimes going in on weekends

fleet tangle
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I think in the UK you have to sign something to say you're willing to work over a certain number of hours.

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ANd it's well below 80

quasi mantle
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Are hospital work days that long?

noble plaza
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She got paid overtime and it was "good money", meanwhile I was getting like 80% more than her WFH, never doing over 8 hours a day... It's kinda uncomfortable

proud jay
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in belgium you're only allowed to do 40 hours of overtime per month

noble plaza
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Not hospital, it's a science lab I guess

proud jay
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so working 80 hours would become illegal after 1 week

quasi mantle
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I mean, medical science is like one of the most demanding field

noble plaza
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She wasn't doing tests, she was researching and developing an at-home one

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Research science is pretty slim pickings

foggy path
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but yeah frankly I'd just stop doing overtime and if they give the boot then just find anything else... unless you really need that money :P

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if with overtime you still made 80% what she did then a fucking grocery store job probably pays better without the overtime lol

noble plaza
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Most of the company has quit now, they thought they were going to help the average person, help people recover from Covid easier and all

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It's mostly sold to big corps and they didn't get bonuses or anything to make up for the hell period.

noble plaza
foggy path
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I guess they pay like shit for overtime there

proud jay
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medical engineering should not pay bad lol

foggy path
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I think I worked sat and sun overtime once and they paid me 50% extra for saturday and 100% for sunday :P

noble plaza
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In Europe salaries are more compressed normally, but I've had offers of like 4x minimum wage, which is pretty decent still

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Yeah her base rate would have been like 40k EUR, which doesn't even qualify for the skilled migrant thresholds in some countries

proud jay
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my gf does drug development and she earns more than me lol (fringe benefits not taken into account)

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I think your gf just got scammed

noble plaza
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Not Thermo is it?

foggy path
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I made about 40k eur a year earlier in my career in sw dev here in Finland

proud jay
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never heard of Thermo lol

noble plaza
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Ah my partner moved to there now, they're pretty huge in science. Plotting a move to Europe, she could get a transfer

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Yeah I started out at that too, but salaries move up quick in SWE. Science (here)... eh

proud jay
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not quick enough 😠

foggy path
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I have no idea how much I'm making now tbh

noble plaza
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what, how? 😄

foggy path
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on paper I'm making like twice that now but as I'm a sole proprietorship (a type of business) it comes with a bunch of extra expenses and other shenanigans

noble plaza
foggy path
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which makes it harder to estimate how much I'm making in comparison to if I was a salaried employee

noble plaza
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Oh fair yeah, contracting is a whole other thing

proud jay
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I pay more in tax on my salary than I pay on rent + utilities

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I cry

noble plaza
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I wanna go to NL and pay like 20% tax for 5 years or whatever it is

proud jay
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and of course on anything I buy I pay another 21% vat

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🥲

foggy path
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My rent is like 450 eur a month so I'd have to earn next to nothing to not pay that much in taxes lol

noble plaza
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Though you guys have pretty cities like Ghent and Brugge

proud jay
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I live next to Ghent

timber viper
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you guys are not homeless? wat

proud jay
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not homeless, only homieless

noble plaza
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Crying in uh 2500 EUR monthly rent. Big house so we have a friend covering 1/3rd at least

timber viper
noble plaza
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City got selected for Olympics and the rents and house prices went up by like 30% over a few months. FUn.

deep glen
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I live in the netherlands, 105 square meter of living space + 105 square meter of garden. 715,85,- month. (was 600 when we moved in, but well, inflation)

proud jay
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for 2.5k a month you could rent like a 5 bedroom nice villa around antwerp

deep glen
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4 rooms

deep glen
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dordrecht

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near center

proud jay
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that's decent

deep glen
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fricking cheap

proud jay
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I'm in 100sq meters, 2 bedrooms for 630

deep glen
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most stuff over here is 1200+ for less space

foggy path
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I wonder what kind of palace could you rent for 2.5k eur here lol

proud jay
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if I move like 3km closer to Ghent (big city) rent is like x1.5 at least

noble plaza
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Pretty close to Rotterdam, nice

deep glen
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rotterdam is meh-ish unless you like big crowds

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some good places to eat though

noble plaza
foggy path
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you could rent a house of 233 sqm for 2 100eur/month

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how's that

deep glen
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Brugge = dordrecht, but a bit bigger.

noble plaza
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I'd need to be close to a job, considering I have to work. Hate spending hours doing fuck all

foggy path
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with 7 bedrooms

proud jay
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brugge is nice to visit

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not to live

fleet tangle
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Why rent?

deep glen
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^

foggy path
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or you could rent an apartment of 63 sqm for 2600 eur

proud jay
fleet tangle
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Love in a tent for a fe wmonths

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years?

proud jay
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ah of course

foggy path
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this is 20 sqm bigger than my apartment and doesn't really look that nice

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lol

fathom wadi
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I have to my family right now. 7 of us trying to find a house large enough for cheap enough is insanely difficult.

timber viper
foggy path
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it's downtown but it's not in a particularly amazing location

noble plaza
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That kitchen looks smaller than my laundry closet Jesus

proud jay
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come to belgium

foggy path
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my apartment is a 5 min drive from downtown...

timber viper
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i live in the middle of the city too

proud jay
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turkiye has cities?

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jk

timber viper
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no it does not, you forgot to take your pills again

noble plaza
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Everyone actually lives on a balloon, floating around in the sky

foggy path
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that apartment is such a weird one, I wonder who would pay that kind of a price for it... :D

proud jay
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I mean, if you're paying 2k in rent

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might as well get a loan if you got the upfront money

noble plaza
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Built in sauna, damn. The Finnish dream

foggy path
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Seems like it yeah unless you're not gonna stay for long

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My apartment has a sauna as well lol

proud jay
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there's more saunas than people in finland

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When I lived in finland there was a common sauna for the apartment block on top

noble plaza
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Just reinforce them and make them the storm/ Russia shelter in that case

foggy path
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Yeah some of them have communal saunas but all the apartments in this building have their own saunas

timber viper
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this is what you get for 2.5k

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even less

proud jay
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omw

timber viper
noble plaza
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I should never have posted that number

proud jay
noble plaza
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Getting sad looking at all these houses I'd pay less for lol

proud jay
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no price listed 😦

noble plaza
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If you need to ask...

fleet tangle
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I wouldn't want that, Eren. Just a bother having to hire a gardener and shit.

noble plaza
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Imagine cleaning that place.

Looks like the entire set you'd need for a medieval TV series though

fleet tangle
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Indeed.

proud jay
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but turkish gardener would cost like 5 euros per year maybe

fleet tangle
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That's at least 2x the rent in just general upkeep.

timber viper
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We are not venezuela, yet 🥲

foggy path
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a house might be nice, but I don't like the idea of having to do any gardening or other work involved with it

proud jay
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it's a nice hobby though

foggy path
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so I'm probably not gonna buy a house unless I know I can afford to pay someone else to do that work

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lol

proud jay
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if you like it

foggy path
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Not particularly lol

timber viper
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Fluid Ninja Tools are free 🥳

median wraith
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defuk

proud jay
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get one of those lawn mowing robots

timber viper
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I was just going to buy it next week lol

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I'm so happy now

proud jay
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nice

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another month's rent saved

timber viper
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😂

proud jay
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looks nice though

noble plaza
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Sweet that's a day more of rent I can afford 😢

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Well, not even actually. Did want to grab it though

proud jay
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damn it's actually 115 euros normal price

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nice saving

noble plaza
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Looks super sweet, and easy to use too

quasi mantle
noble plaza
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Pools are expensive

timber viper
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seems like even if you are a huge villa you cant make everyone happy sad

proud jay
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yeah my gf wants a pool lol, I told her she can have one if she pays for it herself

quasi mantle
proud jay
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the maintenance alone is in the tens of thousands a year

noble plaza
fathom wadi
noble plaza
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It's like an old Italian sports car, except less fun

quasi mantle
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Personally I prefer smaller home that I can maintain even by myself and live comfortably in it

Though owning a fully fledged acoustic drum kit would be its own problem...

fleet tangle
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That's why you need a basement.

proud jay
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I just need a home to dump some kids in

timber viper
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I love a 1+1 with big rooms - with American kitchen

proud jay
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my kids, to clarify

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my future kids, to clarify further

noble plaza
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I think doggo has trouble operating hers though

timber viper
quasi mantle
noble plaza
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Very hard. When she's needy she flicks my forearms up with her snout so I pat her. She trains me more than I train her.

quasi mantle
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Eastern Asia residentials tend to be less spacey than what's seen in American suburbans

noble plaza
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American (and Australian) suburbs are dumb

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Just forces everyone to get a car because everything is so far apart

quasi mantle
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I mean, yeah, holy smokes, distance between each houses are so spacious

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Which in the context of setting up home drumming studio, just having basement can be enough.

noble plaza
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We're 2KM from the city center and it's just big houses with yards everywhere, and random shopping centres mixed in.

Girlfriend loves having a yard though, which isn't a very European (city) thing usually

quasi mantle
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When the houses are so close to each other, even basements aren't going to cut it much, because the sound would still go through, particularly with smaller houses.

deep copper
zinc solstice
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during this time, in the multiverse

foggy path
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is this a joke

soft night
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joke it must be right

cursive crypt
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raspberry consoles should be a thing by this time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

deep copper
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what does web 3 even do in a controller?

noble plaza
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TBF if they cached and reused NPM crypto libraries locally it'd be GBs of transfer savings

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Blockchain is just what to add to your product when it can't compete in the broader market

night grove
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IMHO NFT in gaming is a solution looking for a problem that has already been solved

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How would nft change that?

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I haven't looked into the Ubisoft issue really

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Didn't they just take down the licensing and download servers? Or was the issue more nuanced?

noble plaza
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No game Dev will do that. You're asking them to forgo future profits entirely. Or let you benefit from external purchases. They want to make more money, not less

night grove
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I'll believe NFT can be used across multiple games when someone makes a meaningful procedural generator that doesn't require a lot of tuning / seed searching to get good balance play experiences

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I like the idea of a token I can take into different games without the developer having to burn hours to support it

noble plaza
noble plaza
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But also imagine the butchered art styles, because most items will not fit into many games

night grove
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Power creep is intentional in game design

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Or at least a natural byproduct for the continued dev of the game

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Something like sword art online where you can take the same character across multiple MMOs of different genres would be amazing! I just don't see what NFT solves to make that any more a reality than it already isn't.

foggy path
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Does it though 🤔

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How's it make collaboration any easier if you have what is effectively a list of who owns what

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You could store that list literally anywhere and the effect on collab seems like it would be the same

night grove
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So essentially nfts are a code that can be used as a seed to generate a thing. The advantage is that the code is decentralized

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However along that line of thought, look at a game like borderlands with randomly generated guns

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Lots and lots of the guns are just trash

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Didn't really matter in that context because you can "mint" many of them fast and just throw away the junk

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The problem is when you have a wallet have to keep them around. I strongly suspect the actual end use case for NFT is that it will end up being a "useful gun" in one game and absolute trash in all the others

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It's like inventory management to a whole new level

noble plaza
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So it's like a replicated inventory, like Valve gives you for skins? Their skins have parameters too, like wear level and seed

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Aside from accelerating global warming, what difference does the storage mechanism of online inventory items make/ allow for?

foggy path
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the only benefit that comes from that is that it can be done on an already existing public blockchain instead of the developer having to provide an API to access that data

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that is it.

night grove
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Where's the money? I have to put in developer time to support the NFT. How do I get paid?

foggy path
#

hard to say, depends on the size of developer I guess

#

gas fees on existing chains are not insignificant

noble plaza
#

I don't see that making any difference for any game or developer.

If devs don't support it, it's just a blob of JSON. You're still at the mercy of game devs.

foggy path
#

Why would anyone use their cpu to process those

noble plaza
#

Anyone can use SteamWorks inventory API, most ganes don't

foggy path
#

Yeah I mean I'm sure someone will process them out of the kindness of their heart but at that point it doesn't really do anything different from any other storage methods

#

running seti@home is a bit different than running processing for some nft grift from a BigGamesCompany that is too cheap to do it themselves lol

#

But yeah fans are fans I guess

#

:P

#

Not when you turn it off :P

noble plaza
#

I feel like it's layers of indirection solving an inexistent problem, while not providing any tangible or significant benefits.

foggy path
#

lol

noble plaza
#

And the earth gets a bit warmer still, which is a tangible benefit if you're Russia and waiting for 80 of your country to thaw

#

Don't stop at layers, make it a sequence involving some backtracking which also changes the order and hierarchy of the menus

#

Every year is: the year if Linux on desktop/gaming, and the year Eth switches

foggy path
#

Where's the official Ubi NFT wallet to store your items in Tom Clancy's Hunt for Oil

#

proof of stake is not a silver bullet either

#

last time I heard news about eth proof of stake migration was that the miners aren't happy about it lol

night grove
#

I was really excited about NFTs but they just don't hold up to technical or design scrutiny for gaming

#

They best use case I could think of was using them to represent a dungeon in a rogue like

#

Kind of like rifts in Diablo

#

Where you run dungeons to get consumable weapons

#

Then you could charge rent for other people to use your dungeons to find a particular sword

#

Yep this

#

NFT makes more sense outside gaming

#

I mean technically NFT can be used to win over investors

#

That's not an insignificant thing

noble plaza
#

So it's only significant use is as a buzzword? 😅

#

Most of the crypto scene feels like a solution in search of a problem TBH

foggy path
#

That's what it is more or less

#

But on the other hand a lot of new tech is like that

#

blockchain just hasn't actually managed to find anything

#

:P

noble plaza
#

Gaming is something that billions have benefitted from. The need for that isn't going away any time soon.

The need for crypto, aside from buying drugs and other para-legal activities, hasn't arrived yet.

#

The crypto space especially should be wary of evaluations, considering how they can go to near 0 overnight at times.

deep copper
#

so crypto in games increases the gambling rng factor !

foggy path
#

ultimate lootbox

noble plaza
deep copper
#

did europe ban crypto ? or do you mean their recent recession stuff

noble plaza
#

Lootboxes are being proposed for banning or regulation in a few countries

deep copper
#

as in lootboxes in games? they want to regulate those?

zinc solstice
#

Wow, left for a meeting, come back, see the number of answer.
Why guys ? why you didn't like what is basically Ouya web 3.0 ? this sound like a great idea.

deep copper
#

like you can only purchase 10 a day max or something

#

ah, yeah that sounds reasonable

noble plaza
#

More like require previews of winning rates and potential rewards at least, and prevent kids from spending bulk money on them

night grove
#

I think it's a good thing

#

The gambling regulation

deep copper
#

yeah well, many games do give previews and super low rates for good items...

night grove
#

I hated implementing loot boxes for a clash of clans rip off

noble plaza
night grove
#

And watching as the game design discussions devolved to drop rates for the slot machine

deep copper
#

i mean, slot machines are the earning point for games

#

if you do it badly you can go into loss

#

it doesn't has to be the main selling point of a game but

noble plaza
#

Slot machines don't skirt regulations, and don't just eat your money. Lootboxes reward you with network replicated bits that cost $0.00001 to process.

Mobile games lose money because the target market has ADHD and the game is sometimes secondary to well optimised marketing and monetisation

foggy path
#

on the topic of web 3.0 games I find it funny how people seem to think they're some kind of "revolution"

#

they're just going to be the same shit except probably worse because it's going to be just nft bros

#

lol

#

web 3 game = regular game + nft's

#

!= revolution

#

:P

#

but I guess it makes it easy to sell garbage to suckers

deep copper
#

i don't even see how nfts change anything...?

foggy path
#

it means you truly own your items!

deep copper
#

but, how ? xD

foggy path
#

(as long as you have a compatible game that allows you to make use of it but that's secondary and nobody says it out loud)

noble plaza
#

It's revolutionary in the same way blockchain revolutionised payments. IE, did fuck all

foggy path
#

That's actually not entirely true.... Afriex seems to actually be doing some work in allowing people to move money to africa more cheaply through crypto networks

noble plaza
#

Imagine trying to pay for a coffee and having to wait 30 minutes for it to clear

foggy path
#

I think that's the only one I can think of that's doing some good because traditionally it's hard and expensive to transfer money to some of those countries

noble plaza
foggy path
#

That's what it is but they were probably able to build it faster thanks to being able to leverage the crypto networks they use

deep copper
#

i wonder if a new better currency would pop up that fixes the issues crypto had

night grove
foggy path
#

Because the available competing services charge significantly higher fees, not sure why

night grove
#

So a cooperative monopoly?

#

I forget the correct term

#

Umm... Price fixing?

foggy path
#

One of the founders is an acquintance of mine so I've been following their page on facebook, I don't really know the details other than that they seem to be doing alright

deep copper
#

sounds like crypto yeah

foggy path
#

Well as far as crypto goes they seem to be more legit than many :P

#

I met the guy at Techstars many years ago, I think he was building a different startup at the time

noble plaza
#

None of the like, doomsday-proof aspects of crypto enable this though, it's just collusion and regulation skirting. Once the target countries ban or regulate crypto, game over?

deep copper
#

so much for decentralisation

deep copper
foggy path
#

Yeah

#

From what I've gathered it seems there's a big culture in those african countries of sending money back home, the founder I met was also originally from there... forget which specific country, but I can definitely see how you'd make a lot more money abroad and being able to help your family back home by sending money cheaper seems pretty good

deep copper
#

ah

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so that's why they fixed the price high

#

there was a lot of demand for this service

foggy path
#

Yeah could be that

deep copper
#

it's kinda , sad if that's the reason xD

fathom wadi
#

not all stablecoins are equal tho. LUNA was a stablecoin and it tanked hard. I know it was algorithm based, but even so, people will kill themselves over this crash. They have already no doubt.

#

no I got the joke and I wasn't meaning to be a virtue signalling donk there, but it came off that way so sorry

regal pecan
#

Bitcoin didn't fall in value by 10,000x, so his wallet was just smaller than he remembered?

zinc matrix
#

man cant wait to get started on making my game

regal pecan
zinc matrix
#

me and my friends are in concept rn tryna make a sense of what we want

white musk
#

Seems like my main obstacle on my game developer path is my OCD. X_x

zinc matrix
#

Seems like a copy pasta

tulip orbit
#

seems like spam

iron knoll
#

Nope, I'm 100% real

#

I just didn't know where to post this

#

Please, indicate me where is the right place to post this I will happily delete the above message

tulip orbit
iron knoll
tulip orbit
#

np 🙂

#

best of luck

deep glen
regal pecan
#

"I used TransformPosition and all I g ot w a s th i s "

deep glen
#

lol

quasi mantle
#

I was expecting leakage from the port lol

deep glen
#

I want em as a crappy birthday present for friends

vapid cloak
#

my setup is complete..finally happy with it

zinc matrix
quasi mantle
foggy path
#

you need more monitors

#

and a monitor arm setup

#

also I wonder how do people clean these fancy led lit mouse mats...

#

need to really scrub to get the accumulated gunk off mine usually with lots of water and soap :P

quasi mantle
#

Wash it like usual? I think the electronics of LED strips on those are waterproof enough

foggy path
#

I'm not sure if I would trust Razer

#

because you'd have a USB port to power it there too

#

my old waterproof phone from Sony turned out to be entirely not waterproof after I tested it out in the shower lol

#

thankfully it only got mildly messed up lol

quasi mantle
foggy path
#

hehe

#

Logitech makes one too with wireless charging

#

I doubt that would be waterproof either...

#

:D

quasi mantle
#

Personally I'd just DIY the heck out of it RocoHaha

#

Insulating the LED strips inside a hose

foggy path
#

anyone wanna try what midjourney produces for that prompt? Somehow I doubt it'll make something equally appropriate

#

:D

broken sigil
#

What is the prompt? 😅

#

Ah I'm blind

#

waiting for the result

#

I doubt it will do text since it's not great at text

graceful sequoia
#

work work work work work

broken sigil
#

Actually I'm impressed

quasi mantle
broken sigil
#

yeah

unreal cedar
#

I think I've found my favorite new emoji

graceful sequoia
#

rejected fusion attempt

knotty skiff
#

Ah yes another first Tuesday of the month

#

And holy shit Vehicle Variety PART 2?!!?

graceful sequoia
#

oooh new stuff

#

oooh, half of fluidninja for free

broken sigil
#

Oh time to get more free stuff that will stay in my MP vault of the rest of eternity lol

graceful sequoia
#

it's kind of a meh selection

#

cept fluidninja, even if only baked

foggy path
#

Yeah those midjourney ones are not too bad

broken sigil
#

Midjourney keeps impressing me with portraits

lost fractal
#

!stream

graceful sequoia
#

I got into the midjourney beta but I feel like just coasting on others prompts might be more fruitful than wasting my demo prompts

#

but there's some weird shit people are prompting

broken sigil
#

30$ is worth it for the unlimited subscription if you plan on using it a lot

graceful sequoia
#

I don't at least at this point, but it's very interesting

broken sigil
#

Man I've been addicted to it for the last 2 weeks lol

graceful sequoia
#

how much of those prompts are some kind of good inspiration for productive work

#

rather than for the lulz

broken sigil
#

All of mine are all for fun (except 1 that I used as a template to make a logo for a friend), we have been using it for the game tho for concept art

graceful sequoia
#

/imagine a massively multiplayer online battle royale building game

regal pecan
#

Is 100 players not massive enough? Oh right, a MidJourney game maker prompt.

#

Considering midjourney's accuracy, that's living dangerously.

broken sigil
regal pecan
#

One of those is not like the others.

graceful sequoia
#

better quality than most

#

ship it

zinc matrix
#

gonna land animation job by using midjourney made stuff in portfolio lol

#

and just learn how to paint

#

😄

graceful sequoia
#

those are pretty good indeed

zinc matrix
#

promt writing and poetry skills will probably be valuable af in future

graceful sequoia
#

what was the prompt? or was it gonna land animation job by using midjourney made stuff in portfolio lol ?

zinc matrix
#

surreal cartoon character and some random stuff

#

then upscale

#

a lot of times

#

and making different variations

#

took like 8 hours

#

lol

#

15 hours that they give you a month run out very fast

graceful sequoia
zinc matrix
#

yeah

#

lol

graceful sequoia
#

a certain style its going for there

zinc matrix
#

looks booring

graceful sequoia
#

i dunno i kind of like the pink and purple

#

maybe ill get a job as an animator

broken sigil
#

kinda cool looking

graceful sequoia
#

nice

broken sigil
#

I think this tells me that I need to get a life lol

zinc matrix
#

yeah

#

Lifetime Usage: 1372 images (23.83 hours)

#

😄

cursive crypt
broken sigil
#

lol

#

Here have another one

tulip orbit
zinc matrix
graceful sequoia
#

ok both lonesome rider and blueman have well-honed AI skillz

#

very cool

quasi mantle
broken sigil
cursive crypt
zinc matrix
#

huh

night grove
#

Is it still possible to get into the midjourney beta?

zinc matrix
#

yeah

#

someone even pasted invite link in reddit, never expired

night grove
#

Do you have a link? I'm only seeing deleted posts

zinc matrix
#

first link on the google lol

pearl elk
#

I should really try midjourney sitting there in the newbie channel. Heaps of people generating stuff though, I just steal theirs 😆

rare sparrow
#

This launcher 😐

cursive crypt
#

Have you searched?

rare sparrow
#

This error happens when you try to download assets shortly after opening the launcher. It's so annoying doing anything after opening it. The vault just keeps moving for a few minutes as it loads each and every asset you own since that's totally not an outdated vault design. Buttons to launch the editor are greyed out and marketplace assets can't be downloaded. People have been complaining for years and yet we're still stuck with this shit

#

Clicking the links in the message takes you to a page where the error in question isn't even listed

deep glen
timber viper
timber viper
#

Midjourney really draws Russian flags intentionally

broken sigil
#

Pretty interesting

quasi mantle
timber viper
#

finally my rams arrived

#

hopefully will be able to work with r#

supple apex
#

Don't really feel like asking this in #cpp or #engine-source since this sounds like a noob question, so here it goes in lounge.
Theoretically, can unreal engine source be compiled in a shorter amount of time if it was written in c instead of c++?
What causes the long compilation time actually?
Templates?

timber viper
#

I guess if generated files wasnt a thing it would compile way faster

#

Arent C# compiled in runtime though

#

Does it generate assembly code

#

hmm, i was read it doesnt compile but something called JIT comes in and compiles runtime

#

platforms sucks hellmo

#

i wonder if one day hardwares are going to get very advanced and no one will use compiled languages but go brr with interpreters

#

even open world games

supple apex
#

What about the include that causes it to be slow?
Surely the compiler didn't copy paste the whole code inside an included path everytime it compiles a single file?

pearl elk
#

Does anyone actually wanna do what was asked in said earlier question

timber viper
#

industry went through weird things

#

COBOL to BASIC, then C++ madness at 1998

#

then C# and Java, now Python

pearl elk
#

Epic should rewrite the launcher in Java

timber viper
cursive crypt
#

C++ madness
🔨

foggy path
#

would probably work better

#

Haskell > u

timber viper
foggy path
#

You mean someone infected by the C++ madness

pearl elk
#

This is why we dont let people out of cpp once they go in

cursive crypt
#

It is an way of life.

quasi mantle
cursive crypt
#

<@&213101288538374145>

stone saddle
#

ty

quasi mantle
#

What scam did I miss?

#

Free Nitro from Steam?

inland oriole
#

Discord invite link to a 18+ server.

cold aspen
#

so...

#

nvm

quasi mantle
ancient ingot
#

☣️

thick belfry
#

Watching British politics today

soft night
#

hehe

fleet tangle
thick belfry
#

We are seeing the end of Boris johnson

#

If that isn't entertaining idk what is

fleet tangle
#

Oh, what did he "hear about" again? I forget what he issue was.

pearl elk
#

Back in my day it was all about the Russian Boris

#

I think we need more Natasha

thick belfry
#

And up until this moment 15 ministers have resigned

#

His whole party is turning against him

#

Ministers are quitting left and right

#

Just an hour ago 5 resigned at the same moment

thick belfry
#

Does it matter?

#

But by a man

wraith magnet
#

Little vent & warning.
So I was contacted months ago by these people for a job. They liked my work couldnt wait to work with me etc. Assholes ghost me, never get back to me. Never reply.
Yesterday, someone on their team DMs me saying they're looking for an animator and if I'd like to join the team. What I find funny is how all these months later they were so unsuccessful in finding an animator that it looped back to me.
Anyways just 20 mins before a call and the person tells me the position's been filled. HMMM
These ppl are working on a project called "The Bornless". If you get contacted by them give them the finger. They are clearly extremely unprofessional. I'm honestly so mad rn. Hope its a massive failure
Anyway sorry but I needed to vent somewhere, and dont want anyone else experiencing shit like this

fleet tangle
#

I'm just curious.

foggy path
#

I don't really know why people get so upset about these job situations tbh

#

You have to understand that most companies that are recruiting are very busy and stuff like this slips through the cracks all the time

#

The bit about having a call and 20 mins before it you get told it's filled definitely sounds weird though

mossy nexus
thick belfry
#

Yeah for all positions but ministers specifically 16 now

#

Another one just resigned

foggy path
#

I remember when Boris was just that funny guy they talked about on Top Gear

#

Shoulda stuck to that

#

lol

cursive crypt
#

Top diablo gear is expensive

thick belfry
cursive crypt
#

In other news, just saw my heating expenses for this winter would be +50%. 🪵

pearl elk
foggy path
#

Yeah

timber viper
zinc matrix
#

He’s not wrong

#

Me and my peeps making my game are really disorganized lol

#

While we got one guy running the concept art we have one guy whose supposed to be doing models who hasn’t started and I need models to actually do the stuff I wanna do early on

wraith magnet
#

lmao reminds me of a group I had a while ago what a complete disaster that was

#

same situation, animator needs models but modeler isn't working fast enough meanwhile concept artist is MIA and texture artist is falling way behind

#

suffice to say you can probably guess how that project ended up xd

deep glen
#

:p

#

visuals come later

zinc matrix
#

Yeah but I wanna make sure the models look right before doing the stuff I need to do

#

I also wanna try and get the actual map of the game out of the way before anything else and that means my modeler need later to make at least one planet

deep glen
#

but you need to know exactly what the gameplay will be to make the model right

zinc matrix
#

A space survival game with a touch of realism

deep glen
#

and you cant get the actual map of the game until you know the gameplay

zinc matrix
#

Either way I’m not exactly great at the programming side no one in the group is cause we are all young and this is our first game lol

#

I tried to get my uncle who does c++ for a living which is what unreals based in but he’s too busy

cursive crypt
#

Games take a lot of time, don't rely on free effort from others.
Also, use cubes or the mannequins, simple blockouts and visuals.

zinc matrix
foggy path
#

Majority of games indies make never reach that point

wraith magnet
#

sad truth but yeah

#

I've already been in over a dozen abandoned projects

#

it rarely pans out

foggy path
#

I've got like 20 years of programming experience and I don't trust either of my current projects to actually release

#

lol

zinc matrix
#

This is the third project that I’ve tried working on but I won’t abadoned this like the other 2

#

Technically the first one was abadoned and the second one was shelved for later work since the idea of the one I’m working on now is cooler

wraith magnet
#

hell abandoned projects is the sole reason I went freelance lmao now I've got regular clients and bc of that I can afford to work on free projects

#

it is sad though when you've got something that's making good progress and is looking good, then suddenly just stops

#

wont lie, those are the heavy hitters

zinc matrix
#

Well seeing as the entire dev team is minors with me not being a adult for another 3 years we got time

#

3 years to have a decent enough game to release

foggy path
#

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a great learning opportunity at the very least

zinc matrix
#

Yeah we are defiantly over doing this game a bit lol

#

We plan to have 5 planets with each one having its own moon

cursive crypt
zinc matrix
quasi mantle
zinc matrix
#

Yes

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
#

No it’s 5 planets with 1 moon each

#

Not one planet with 5 moons lol

quasi mantle
#

Oh snap, I misread it

zinc matrix
#

Sure 1 planet with 5 moons would be less work but 5 planets with 1 moon per planet is cooler

quasi mantle
#

Alexa, play britney spears oops I did it again

zinc matrix
#

We also plan to have full voice acting if I can convince enough of my friends

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
#

Yeah

#

We also are gonna have different animal species for each planet and moon

#

The moon you start on you have to deal with bug creatures that are very big and have multiple subspecies

#

And the main characters gonna be Finnish

#

Because the one person we have voice acting rn is Finnish

#

0 dollars and 35 cents

#

I’m broke lol

wraith magnet
#

more than I had when I started out xd

zinc matrix
#

XD

#

Yeah I’m 15 and jobless

#

And this is what I wanna do for a living so might as well start now

#

I mean I have all the time in the world lol

foggy path
#

lol nice finnish mc

#

does the voice actor have too heavy of an accent to do it in english

#

lol

zinc matrix
#

and I got my uncle to at least be able to review the code

zinc matrix
foggy path
#

oh weird, finnish is known for its sharp R's

wraith magnet
#

if you dont have him shout "PERKELE" at least once im going to be upset

foggy path
#

lol

zinc matrix
#

I’ll make him shout it dw

#

You wanna join the discord for develepoment on it @wraith magnet and see more of what we are tryna do

wraith magnet
#

if you're in need of an animator sure eyesshaking

zinc matrix
#

Actually yeah XD

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
quasi mantle
#

Typically you want voice acting once the script is set in stone

zinc matrix
#

Except of course for our Finnish mc lol

wraith magnet
#

way I see it the script should be finalized then rent out a studio for recording

zinc matrix
#

I got 35 cents

wraith magnet
#

whole dialogue can be done in like a day

#

plus voice recording is usually one of the last things afaik

quasi mantle
#

If you feel ashamed, remember that even protos for big budget projects uses texts to get the dialogue across when the script isn't final yet

#

See: DNF 2001 prototype leak

wraith magnet
quasi mantle
#

Vagrant Story is one good example on game without voice acting (apart from grunts), while at the same time have cinematic shots

supple apex
#

For 35 cents, I think getting a VA to do 1 grunt is quite a blessing already.

quasi mantle
wraith magnet
#

ah the good old days when models jiggled lmao I love that about old games

quasi mantle
#

It looked ahead of it's time, especially with the lip motion, something that MGS lacked

wraith magnet
#

funnily enough I never heard of it

#

wonder what the budget was for it

supple apex
#

Megaman legends have lip motion (through textures, guess that doesn't count)

wraith magnet
#

cause im watching that video rn and it looks good

quasi mantle
#

Even with all the jank and lack of voice acting, OG FF7 was around 45 million USD to make in '96

supple apex
#

Is that a remake/remaster?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't look that way on the psx

quasi mantle
supple apex
#

Really?

#

That's odd

quasi mantle
#

Higher native resolution isn't something alien for 3D console emulators.

supple apex
#

That one is even crisper, very clean lines, definitely not how I remember the game.

torpid star
quasi mantle
timber viper
quasi mantle
#

Though to be fair games switching resolutions all the times were common until Windows become commonplace for gaming

timber viper
#

gray & white Evil_Patrick

supple apex
wraith magnet
#

holy gorgonzola

#

one HELLLLL of a free month

#

I already owned it but still

timber viper
#

But the idea behind both techs (the live one not prebaked) same, right?

#

An intelligent VFX artist can craft it well and do what Alienation did

#

fwiw Housemarque (creator of Alienation) has one of the best VFX tools in the industry

#

they also ported it to UE with Returnal

cursive crypt
#

We need UE influencers.

foggy path
supple apex
cursive crypt
#

I dunno, not an influencer myself. Maybe create sexy blueprints? Attract developers.

pearl elk
#

I tend to post pics of myself just wearing programmer socks and nothing else

timber viper
#

"hi guyyss, I'm rating most sexy marketplace asset todayy"

#
  • ue influencer
quasi mantle
pearl elk
#

X game remake in UE5

quasi mantle
quasi mantle
mossy nexus
timber viper
timber viper
mossy nexus
#

The non cpp bit?

timber viper
#

it's fine to optimize things, but I would not want to convert all those bloated BPs to C++

timber viper
quasi mantle
mossy nexus
#

BPs aren't necessarily bloated, but I get ya.

pearl elk
#

I am rubber you are bloated BP glue

mossy nexus
quasi mantle
timber viper
timber viper
#

its also buggy iirc

quasi mantle
mossy nexus
#

imo the BPs etc aren't organised correctly. Last time I had a deep dive AK was still using things in the level BP! Which is simply bad practice.

quasi mantle
timber viper
mossy nexus
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My idea was
1- implement X fluid sim tool
2- hire some crazy person who was mad enough to learn VFX and let them work on X tool

quasi mantle
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Alas, my option left for smooth fluid sim would be to go low level with compute shader and do the fluid sim there. I plan on making it free open source

timber viper
quasi mantle
foggy path
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I dont even understand anything about graphics, but I'm rooting the idea

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yes, would you like to get hired for ½5$ hourly?

deep copper
quasi mantle
timber viper
deep copper
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revshare in nft

quasi mantle
deep copper
timber viper
timber viper
quasi mantle
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Government not giving a shit about citizen data privacy is not something alien either

deep copper
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i mean, speech wise that's ½5 dollar

foggy path
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"will apple really act on that"

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it literally says the features listed are available in the update coming

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:P

quasi mantle
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Though I guess USA is more liberal in that regard

foggy path
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seems like a pretty bad idea since this is already making the rounds in relevant media

deep copper
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i mean like, do they just say they are doing it or actually do it against all states

deep copper
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i wonder if apple is used in China as well

quasi mantle
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Mainland China is truly a wild east

deep copper
quasi mantle
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I guess one can say Chinese Weibo is as toxic as western Twitter

quasi mantle
deep copper
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ah, yeah that makes sense

quasi mantle
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Those knockoffs back then were just "dumb phones"

deep copper
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xD atleast it's more believable now

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and i see you are using your emotes in full power

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good work!

deep copper
quasi mantle
foggy path
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wh40k vibes

soft night
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try future armored soulder with medieval sword

zinc matrix
zinc matrix
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i mean sure its a laser sword but its got the basic design of a claymore

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with a shorter hilt

zinc matrix
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thats no sword

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thats rubber

broken sigil
cursive crypt
turbid spindleBOT
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@ionic flame, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

soft night
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!8ball you have amored suit?

turbid spindleBOT
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@soft night, :8ball: My sources say no.

soft night
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!8ball you want to be iron manny?

turbid spindleBOT
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@soft night, :8ball: Yes – definitely.

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@ionic flame, :8ball: My reply is no.

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@ionic flame, :8ball: Most likely.

cursive crypt
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Ask that painter ai to play it

soft night
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would be interesting if it come to that

zinc matrix
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Does anyone have any ideas, I installed a new cpu cooler and now there's no output, the only things I did was remove CPU power cable and a ram stick to have more room to work but obviously replaced them

proud jay
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is the pc turning on?

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did you plug your cables into the correct output?

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is your screen on correct input?

zinc matrix
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Yes
Yes
Yes

carmine frigate
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medievil VR headset visor thingy

dim ruin
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@foggy path 16ms latency. thats totally fine

foggy path
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16ms sounds painful for gaming tbh

dim ruin
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its a fucking tv lol

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monitors are 9ish

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some get down to 4

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You have been dismeme'd

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or dismemebered

deep glen
broken sigil
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Yeah kinda reminds me 😅

deep glen
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"The A-Team, but they are weebs"

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XD

broken sigil
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this looks kinda cool

unkempt steppe
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Can we talk about autodesk’s gameplan in owning maya and 3ds max

unborn lotus
timber viper
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whyyyy

cursive crypt
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Too many people are unhinged

regal pecan
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The videos didn't catch someone placing the explosives? Did someone shoot it with a rocket?

cursive crypt
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There is a car afaik

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Well, definitely it was a stress test and it succeed. Next time, make it from steel or something.

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Steel rusts. But I find this hilarious. It's meant to be a guidestone for a better society, and they make it from granite, built in the style of ancient structures on the apparent assumption it needs to last millenia... Only for it to get blown up within decades because of society.

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On May 1, 2022, Kandiss Taylor, a candidate running in the Georgia Republican gubernatorial primary, released a campaign ad calling for the destruction of the Guidestones.[15] Taylor later attributed the partial destruction of the Guidestones to God.[16]

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Republican sounds like diagnosis lately

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The Georgia Guidestones was a granite monument that stood in Elbert County, Georgia from 1980 until it was destroyed in 2022.
The monument stood at an approximate elevation of 750 feet (230 m) above sea level, about 90 miles (140 km) east of Atlanta, 45 miles (72 km) from Athens, Georgia, and 9 miles (14 km) north of the center of the city of El...

regal pecan
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I wonder how many bullet holes it had by that point. (I may be prejudiced against Georgia, USA.)

zinc matrix
broken sigil
regal pecan
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During the Middle Ages, standing stones were believed to have been built by the giants who lived before the biblical flood. Many of the megaliths were destroyed or defaced by early Christians; it is estimated that some 50,000 megaliths once stood in Northern Europe, where almost 10,000 now remain.
Bug request closed. Reason: Expected behavior.

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