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#lounge
verbal skiff
Yee yee
deep copper
verbal skiff
So, how’s everyone today, I just joined
deep copper
welcome :) , hope you have a good time here
pearl elk
We have ninjas and cookies
verbal skiff
Ooo
Yeah I’ve been getting into game dev stuff, seeing as it’s a part of my 3D design course and want to find places to talk about it
pearl elk
Help yourself Mr Max Rebo
broken sigil
It just means that I need to get a life 😅
pearl elk
Did you see Salatious Crumb recently?
deep copper
"best creator is best consumer" in action
broken sigil
And that's only the games I played in the last 3-4 years 😅
Probably around 2k in tribes ascend
Around 2 or 3k in Gta5
pearl elk
Maybe its cuz theyre younger, game logging didnt start till recently
deep copper
Blue Man should rename to Blue Kid
pearl elk
Blue Kid 2000
broken sigil
That's when it came out before it got ran over by 9yo lol
I play video games for as long as I can remember
The first game I remember playing was sonic on sega mega drive and I was like 3 lol
Oh I played till like season 6 or something, stopped around the time they did that event with a big monster and a robot
They ruined the competitive side in my opinion by adding dumb stuff to help out new players way too much
That's when I dipped out
Never played ow but I'm down to play it 😅
zinc matrix
im old school. i dont even know what a "season" in gaming means
broken sigil
im old school. i dont even know what a "season" in gaming means
It's where they suck out 10-20$ out of your pocket every 2 months for a few cosmetics
deep copper
im old school. i dont even know what a "season" in gaming means
games have seasons?
i guess it's all a neat trick for more money
oblique cloak
ow2 looks like team fortress now. judging by the gameplay.
fathom wadi
overwatch 2 or as I like to call it, Overwatch 1.
thats because they didnt reskin it. they used the same skins :p
so its paid for those who have the first one
I always thought it was worth a tenner. I like the game even if I can play Paladins for free.
its way better. Same game, but they actually have development on the game in OW. Paladins is just development on the microtransactions
signed up for the open free QA tester job and they want me to own OW1 to do the beta. Which sucks because I don't own OW1. I only played free weekends :p
soft night
Halo infinite getting forge first via open beta without any limitations there could be
dark sequoia
woof
slow imp
scarlet cedar
why did i have to try and make a multiplayer game? replication issues suck
zinc matrix
it's good when it works though
replication is just a different way of thinking
I'm not good at it, but it's interesting
oblique cloak
replication is the most easiest thing to do when using blueprints.
client, multi, server.
quasi mantle
Replication is a must for replay system, so yeah
upper tartan
hey, sorry I don't know if this is the right channel for this or not but didn't really see any description about this in the hire section. Does anyone here do blockchain incorporations into video games? or know anyone that does? lmk, would appreciate
sage ermine
so... with the new forum... is there a way to list all posts you've made?
zinc matrix
hey, sorry I don't know if this is the right channel for this or not but didn't ...
sir, this is a wendys discord community for creating games
unborn lotus
!! 7 hours? maybe take a nap first 😁
unreal ether
so far it's deceptively easy
fleet tangle
That's what lures you in.
deep copper
maybe that's a test where you are supposed to search for answers as it happens
deep copper
ah
unreal ether
but still 7 hours concerns me
deep copper
how many questions total
deep copper
hmmmm
unreal ether
maybe the last oen is a monster lmao
deep copper
do you have physical books or pdf
unreal ether
both tbh
deep copper
pdf has texts you can ctrl F ?
unreal ether
we have videos on "blackboard" of the topics, but also got discrete maths books n stuff
and the pdf topics dont seem to be cropping up at all
deep copper
hmm not sure what that means but i see
either way, maybe it is for more tests as well in that time
or perhaps it's buffer time for technical glitches
unreal ether
hopefully
ik the tutors dont like exams cause they dont see the point... maybe its some way of getting back at the system?
unreal ether
it was alright
wasnt too concerned as the exams arent worth much of my modules
i mena my next exam is worth literally 10% of the module only
deep copper
i mena my next exam is worth literally 10% of the module only
it only contains 10% your course or 10% weightage for final result?
unreal ether
10% weightage for final result
deep copper
as long as you are ready enough i guess it's good
unreal ether
Deceptive exam gets more deceptive as i have finished
pearl elk
aww my BP Ninja badge has a glitch on it
pearl elk
his neck looks like a huge tongue
oh well, its been so long Im kinda over the whole thing anyways
Where do we get the UE5 merch from?
I want a nanite tshirt
unreal ether
If you walk away from it does it slowly disappear
zinc matrix
I want a nanite tshirt
real life can render animated stuff without lag
zinc matrix
but thats not nanite
why would you wish something inferior?
pearl elk
You see those colours, how could that be inferior
zinc matrix
and the Zippy thing
actually i am glad Epic exist
these little babies are going to get boosted by
pearl elk
Spatula
deep copper
spoon
zinc matrix
spork!
deep copper
these little babies are going to get boosted by
fork?
zinc matrix
ok i will stop spamming
zinc matrix
that looks really adorable, those tiny feet
yeah i tried to make it less hostile possible
deep copper
it's so friendly now, anyone would want it in their mouths
zinc matrix
🙄
when i used my spork, back in my children days, i was more interested on the food that came with it
deep copper
i can understand xD, a comtainer without anything in it is usually quite empty
deep copper
yes, they are, hard
zinc matrix
that sounds painful tho
what is your first childhood memory that pops out now?
deep copper
what is your first childhood memory that pops out now?
hm, nothing really popped up, what about you?
fleet tangle
Surely biting a spork is dependent on what it's made of?
timber viper
@unreal ether
https://youtu.be/rSofvoaq_jA
zinc matrix
hm, nothing really popped up, what about you?
we were building guns with empty balloons and plastic tubes; one came with a cardboard nut package and another one started laughing his ass off
zinc matrix
we were building guns with empty balloons and plastic tubes; one came with a car...
they discussed a bit about the inefficiency of that specific gun and they decided to test, close fire
they guy started crying after the hit
it was so funny
fleet tangle
Which gun?
zinc matrix
the cardboard one
fleet tangle
Ah.
zinc matrix
deep copper
so it was a success?
zinc matrix
that thing was dangerous
fleet tangle
The fuck.
unreal ether
<@462353459111264256>
<https://youtu.be/rSofvoaq_jA>
it's so beautiful ;-;
timber viper
Ikr
zinc matrix
yeah, our were made with plastic tubes like the ones you use to pipe water
fleet tangle
Does the balloon itself do the damage or is there a payload?
zinc matrix
a payload, usually a berry
fleet tangle
I see.
zinc matrix
we did all sort of stuff, capture the flag, domination
team deatchmatch
always ended with fights of who got hit or not
unreal ether
i would kill a man if it meant red alert 4 existed
fleet tangle
Lol
timber viper
i would kill a man if it meant red alert 4 existed
EA would ruin it these days, I wouldnt
deep copper
always ended with fights of who got hit or not
that makes sense, it would be impossible to tell
unreal ether
ah true
fleet tangle
You'd probably end up collectively killing enough of a team to be at least 1 man.
timber viper
ah true
But we might see a real life Red Alert soon, who knows
Soviet faction will be weak for sure
unreal ether
how much dya think it'd cost to buy the rights for future games
couple of smackeroos?
fleet tangle
Soviet faction will be limited by the number of bears for their infantry.
deep copper
pearl elk
Id prefer to have a Kalashnikov in the snow tbh, US weapons have freezing issues
fleet tangle
Don't aks just work better everywhere? They're designed to be pretty unbreakable.
And versatile.
Not saying that when they work, they work better. Just that they will work. :)
deep copper
just put sweaters on those US weapons
pearl elk
Well the US fixed alot of issues with dust over the years, little bit better for swamp now too but yeah Kalahnikov are better all round that avg US military loadouts
When you get into special forces its bit different cuz they get more choice
Marines are having to rejig, they have been heavily involved in desert combat so
zinc matrix
I always use sporks like it's a regular spoon lol
it is been a while that i do not see one
i think i have some for camping but i tend to prefer metal spoons when i take them to a trip
quasi mantle
I'd prefer plastic spoons, less noisy on the plate. Though not the flimsy ones
quasi mantle
That too will do
zinc matrix
unreal ether
wooden spoons are great
zinc matrix
hilux + ak armed insurgents is a match made in heaven /s
unreal ether
wooden utensils are superior in every way
unreal ether
hilux + ak armed insurgents is a match made in heaven /s
i saw a milsurp vehicle website here in the uk that was selling off isis branded toyota hilux technicals lmao
unreal ether
precisely my thoughts
zinc matrix
also this is apparently meant to be anti-us propaganda, can't find any verification on this, seems like it would very much backfire
wouldn't this just make you proud to be an american?
unreal ether
is that a guilded xenomorph
that is the coolest battle vehicle i have seen
i mean if i was in that picture i would want to be on the stinger missile mounted armored invincible alien rather than a russian tank
zinc matrix
i mean if i was in that picture i would want to be on the stinger missile mounte...
which is why I have a hard time believing this to be chinese propaganda XD
quasi mantle
I think the composition might be great for a game cover
torpid star
https://tenor.com/view/big-things-small-beginnings-prometheus-alien-gif-23022818
oh a giant building is falling towards my direction? best keep running straight away from it
no leaning ofc
soft night
if there is open spot its more safe like open window
pearl elk
Guess I should be happy woodland camo is back in fashion
Never did like the desert patterns
zinc matrix
for what?
soft night
some camo coating on next season of halo infinite
fleet tangle
https://tenor.com/view/big-things-small-beginnings-prometheus-alien-gif-23022818
What's in the water droplet?
cursive crypt
H20
fleet tangle
Other than the water...
fleet tangle
Some sort of flower penis?
soft night
the alien maker
cursive crypt
kinda fly trap
foggy path
Is that japanese porn
soft night
as engineered liquid weapon what on host body
cursive crypt
I can launch a snot with impressive speed.
deep copper
that liquid looks beautiful tho
deep copper
creepy
cursive crypt
zuckerberg? 🤔
deep copper
xD
zinc matrix
zinc matrix
over the lifetime of UE4, does it got lighter or heavier on hardware?
quasi mantle
over the lifetime of UE4, does it got lighter or heavier on hardware?
I think it's the former
Though it depends on the game
fathom wadi
I liked that movie. At the time people slated it but time proved it's a good movie
pearl elk
All those Alien movies are dumb though
and I love Aliens
just go to some alien planet wander around like some lost child messing with shit you have no idea about then wonder why it all goes to shit
by modern standards it just seems all silly since we even quarantine from something like covid
imagine the kinda precautions theyd take for that sort of space alien shit
true, which is why I forgive the older ones more than I forgive prometheus n co
quasi mantle
If it weren't for Aliens, we won't have Doom games
pearl elk
lol its not like that, no one wants em out of existence, "good" though I cant say that. Ive seen all the aliens movies so many times and my opinion on Prometheus stays the same, best part of that film is Guy Pearce as Weyland
might as well have cheerleaders wandering around the planet 😛
Well she did try to warn them didnt she but they wernt exactly a science vessel filled with leading scientists in their fields
unlike Prometheus
unborn lotus
But they were, especially Ripley, while Ash had special directives for the alien...so it makes sense
pearl elk
reboot more like it
Ridley Scott couldnt think of anything new so he just copied something from the 70s
Alien: Covenant is even worse in that regard
but way better effects
but dont get me started on consistency because there are big problems with the link from Prometheus to Alien
the original HR\ Giger art was modified to match the story in Prometheus
fathom wadi
to be fair, Ridley Scott directed the original Alien movie so he was copying his own stuff :p
pearl elk
doesnt make it good though, infact its why I expected more
if it was someone like Bay... meh typical
Alien wasnt a slasher flick so why give it that formula, why make plot holes on purpose just to make it so people die easy. Movies like The Thing didnt have to stoop so low
fathom wadi
if you consider that Alien was a groundbreaking standalone movie, Aliens was a Hollywood spectacular of the era, Alien 3 was a mirror image of Aliens taking it back to archaic times. And Alien Red-erection was just a goofy AF movie. Prometheus actually rebooted the franchise really well
pearl elk
so well they cancelled the third one
and had to rename the second so people could figure out its an Alien movie
such awards it got for the acclaimed director Ridley Scott
he's still stuck on his android fetish with his latest work lol
still has that same alien formula too, oh alien world lets put our hand in there see what happens
Space Mullets, its the future 😛
fathom wadi
of all of them I like the third one the best. Not only was it a horror on multiple levels, it also showed the journey of Ripley becoming a space hardened warrior who sacrifices herself in motherhood to an alien species. So many levels to that movie
plus they used all british actors so it had an almost theatrical approach
pearl elk
the original ending to 3 was that it was all a hypersleep dream
fathom wadi
in the book of the original movie, they were all smoking legal weed called Narcosticks
pearl elk
my issue with the later movies was he got stuck on this engineering the perfect weapon thing instead of letting the aliens be what they are
theres always some sort of human or android angle getting in the way of telling the aliens actual story
fathom wadi
yeah the Winona Ryder emo-bot in the 4th one pissed me off. It was so stupid. But it did have the hybrid human alien baby that was kind of cool
pearl elk
there have been so many interesting things which never get explored
fathom wadi
Brad Dourif watching the baby get born and then getting his head eaten by it was cool too
pearl elk
I actually liked the Ripley from Aliens 4
theres pretty good chemistry between her and Ron Perlmans character
fathom wadi
She wasn't really Ripley in that movie though. Although it was a good character. Especially liked the scene where she saw all the beta versions of herself
pearl elk
they shoulda done a Riddick and Aliens crossover 😛
sharp kernel
Does anyone know if it's possible to block someone on the new unreal forums? I'm not the biggest fan of those forums. That navigation is kind of irritating too lol.
pearl elk
instead everyone joins Mortal Kombat, makes total sense lol
fathom wadi
The new wildcard pack just dropped in Magic Arena. Look at the cost of this gouging shitpack
pearl elk
looks like a card of cards
dont card packs have foil
I love how they add a glow effect as if it adds value
fathom wadi
these basically let you swap a wildcard for an actual card. The idea of the pack is solid but the price is disgusting.
its not even a glow effect in MtG. They just do the PNG transparency trick which makes it look "kind of" holographic
pearl elk
I can buy a CoD game for that price
fathom wadi
the thing is, if you buy the equivelent in regular packs, you get like 70+ more cards and every 12 packs you open you get 2 free rare wildcards and 1 mythic wildcard. Plus all the other cards, plus each pack gets you a rare card anyway
cursive crypt
Cant you just color print these and play with your mates?
fathom wadi
also these are not resellable. If you dropped $50 on physical packs you can get cards worth 3 times what you spend and are resellable
pearl elk
just buy some cellophane to recreate the glow burst effect
fathom wadi
Cant you just color print these and play with your mates?
thats a big no-no in the realworld game. Prints aren't allowed in competition, plus there are fakes out there already
pearl elk
lol so you have to use your own cards in the competition?
fathom wadi
yeah
pearl elk
what sort of casino is this
fathom wadi
indeed
it costs you around £300 for a deck and you need more than one to compete with the changing meta
cursive crypt
just buy some cellophane to recreate the glow burst effect
For these money you can buy bottle of whiskey to create an animation effect.
cursive crypt
I wonder whether these new cards are not just a pic + change of few json attributes.
fathom wadi
thats what gets me pissed at the digital game. The lack of reselling means everything you spend is a money dump. And every 2 years the cards you paid for are worthless unless you play Historic mode, which is pay to win anyway
pearl elk
cant flip a shitcoin though
cursive crypt
thats what gets me pissed at the digital game. The lack of reselling means ever...
Two years? Why?
wtf
fathom wadi
they rotate decks out of the standard league which is the only one that matters
they also reprint the same cards in new leagues
quasi mantle
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/esports/self-claimed-former-bethesda-developer-...
Not the first time developers hated their own creation
fathom wadi
its a compelte scam
cursive crypt
Ah... You have to match certain serie, makes sense.
But I bet, you can play with your buds.
Also... why there is no NFT yet for these cards? (evil laugh)
quasi mantle
Just remember how many developers curse like shit in the game code or snuck in expletive strings that goes past compile process
fathom wadi
lets face it, Bethesda have always written shit engines and they still made decent games. So its irrelevant. Plus its an "ex-employee" which means they were probably fired for not understanding it :p
speaking of which, back to work for me or im getting fired too
oblique cloak
LOL
quasi mantle
When Creation Engine is basically bodged version of Gamebryo
cursive crypt
speaking of which, back to work for me or im getting fired too
Good idea, level design, here I come 🐢
quasi mantle
I think nobody use Gamebryo anymore these days
pearl elk
lol
fathom wadi
have to post this because its funny but this is in the featured section for MtG. 90,000 coins for 90 packs. 1000 each. Which is the normal price. So no discount for spending what would take about 2-3 months of constant daily play to earn :p
oblique cloak
so if 20,000 people buy that 50 dollar shitpack. they make a million ez.
fathom wadi
database entries are worth more than gold now
quasi mantle
have to post this because its funny but this is in the featured section for MtG....
You can say to me this is a screenshot of an Asian mobile gacha game and I'd fricking believe it.
fathom wadi
they were charging £25 for the season pass. Then charging another £30 to boost it 10 levels.
oblique cloak
mobile game right?
fathom wadi
bear in mind that you can complete the pass by playing a few games per day for 2 months
and the season lasts 3 months
its on mobile but it was a pc game first
I wouldn't play it on mobile myself, there is too much to read for such a small screen and my eyes are old and bent
fathom wadi
its Hasbro who own the rights now so yeah
mossy nexus
I wouldn't play it on mobile myself, there is too much to read for such a small ...
I can feel that in my grey legs
quasi mantle
Imagine an alternate reality when Electronic Arts made an anime gacha game with attractive waifus and husbandos, then crazy weebs defended it like their life and death depends on it
fathom wadi
what really bugs me about MtG is its a great game when they don't balance the meta into one colour deck. Last 2 seasons have been focused on Black decks and it's annoying as hell
mossy nexus
cards go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
ocean parcel
cards go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
quasi mantle
I mean, Genshin Impact supporters defended the gacha like crazy and early on trashing on EU countries because of gacha bans.
fathom wadi
last season I played perhaps 800 games, maybe more. 90% of them were all black and green decks.
oblique cloak
cards go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
you just reminded me to get the free assets thank you lol
mossy nexus
you just reminded me to get the free assets thank you lol
You're welcome. Only doing my job. 😄
fathom wadi
I think we need a law that states you can resell digital assets in these types of games. Otherwise they have to have a cap on prices
fathom wadi
I just minted a quality fart. Wanna buy it? Im reproducing for 1 shitcoin per sniff
sharp kernel
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/esports/self-claimed-former-bethesda-developer-...
Wow that's some juicy drama. 😄
mossy nexus
I just minted a quality fart. Wanna buy it? Im reproducing for 1 shitcoin per ...
I can get you a bucket load of liquid shitcoin, what's that worth to ya?
quasi mantle
Wow that's some juicy drama. 😄
But the legitimacy is still milkshaky
fathom wadi
not liquidating my crapto right now sorry
mossy nexus
Very much a "Hey you don't know me, but I used to work for Them™ and the thing is crap! Honest guv'!"
oblique cloak
he does not go into deep details about what makes the engine crap like dx 12 errors, lighting, lag, memory errors.
weirde
mossy nexus
Although it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they are still using some bastardised version of .. what was it.. gamethingyengine
oblique cloak
i really thought from here out they would of got rid of that awful engine they created before they where bought out.
mossy nexus
gamebryo. That's it.
fathom wadi
all that matter is the end product. Minimising crashes and above all else, gameplay
quasi mantle
all that matter is the end product. Minimising crashes and above all else, game...
And glitches we met along the way are the friends
oblique cloak
IF IT PACKS; SHIP IT, is the motto.
mossy nexus
all that matter is the end product. Minimising crashes and above all else, game...
all that matter is the end product. Minimising gameplay, and above all else, crashes.
Fixed it.
fathom wadi
well creation engine was legendary for bugs, but they still made great games with it. The Fallout 4 editor was actually decent if you ask me. Definitely buggy if you used it wrong tho
quasi mantle
Even Atlus dropped Gamebryo and using their own engine for Persona 5
Though I think they started using Gamebryo just for Catherine
mossy nexus
It's not that they aren't capable, it's the fact some weird ass things never get fixed. Like having things frame dependant instead of a delta etc
oblique cloak
adobe modeling tool is out!
mossy nexus
Game breaking bugs that still rely on the communities unofficial patches to fix
quasi mantle
adobe modeling tool is out!
proceeds making a juice in a blender
pearl elk
aye dobe
pearl elk
you think you could make that link alittle longer for me
quasi mantle
well creation engine was legendary for bugs, but they still made great games wit...
I suppose they could've just borrow engine from the sibling studios?
ocean parcel
You're welcome. Only doing my job. 😄
is that where you got your name from?
i thought it was a reference to something else.
fathom wadi
They could use Unreal Engine if they weren't dumb enough to go elsewhere :p
I dont see another engine better suited to large open world games right now
quasi mantle
They could use Unreal Engine if they weren't dumb enough to go elsewhere :p
What was the recent ZeniMax game that uses Unreal? Tokyo Ghostwire?
oblique cloak
unreal engine just sucks for doing what needs to be done in modeling programs.
fathom wadi
was that a game? I never saw any worthy gameplay in it :p
quasi mantle
The one made by Tango Gameworks, I think they're still under ZeniMax
Their previous outing was The Evil Within, of which the engine was modified id Tech 5
fathom wadi
yeah the one with the ghost town open world, and when you do finally get to do any gameplay other than walking around and talking to a ghost in a toilet that needs paper, you just press a button to fire a particle stream and watch the animation until it says you beat it. By pressing one button
pearl elk
adobe just sucks at affordability, so does autodesk
fathom wadi
Adobe just screwed us by forcing a yearly subscription even though we just ran a yearly sub. It's supposed to go monthly after a year
quasi mantle
Adobe sucks even more because they tend to break anything related to 3D CG creation
oblique cloak
wow this tool is TRASHHH
quasi mantle
I don't know how Substance stuff will hold up for the next year
oblique cloak
substance painter is one of the greatest tools on the market.
pearl elk
I let my sub expire when it all went over to Adobe
oblique cloak
the delete button does not delete.
quasi mantle
BTW I don't know but UE5.0 felt rushed, judging by the complaints about the engine errors
quasi mantle
substance painter is one of the greatest tools on the market.
I won't be surprised if one day Adobe either frick up the apps, or killing Substance tools outright
pearl elk
Its been pretty stable for me on my own projects, most of the instability is in the CitySample
oblique cloak
I won't be surprised if one day Adobe either frick up the apps, or killing Subst...
Yupp i feel this 😦
the workflow from substance to ue is amazing.
quasi mantle
Also heard good things about ArmorPaint, but not a big fan of build-it-yourself model
oblique cloak
Quixel mixer needs to jump on the substance painters level. I hate the fact that its so "meh" to use.
pearl elk
Quixel Meher
oblique cloak
lol
quasi mantle
Also it being a Unity app, somehow become a resource clog.
It's just a shame UE as DLL use editor code for whatever reason
oblique cloak
it runs of unity? wow
quasi mantle
I expected UE as DLL to be like runtime exe but in DLL and output can be hooked into an app, but nope, I guess
quasi mantle
it runs of unity? wow
Yes.
fathom wadi
UE cooked/packaged DLL will compile out the editor code. Not sure about hooking it in because you need to define exportable functions in the DLL but if you edited the UBT scripts that compile the DLL I'm pretty sure you can expose some functionality of it
quasi mantle
UE cooked/packaged DLL will compile out the editor code. Not sure about hooking ...
In the perfect world, UE as Library is a way to make custom editors without having to have UE developer licence.
fathom wadi
ah thats a different dll i guess
oblique cloak
way above my knowledge lol
quasi mantle
In my thought, it's pretty much as useful as a dud
oblique cloak
All my guns are now 200 - 300k tris. im going to spawn 30 of them and see if unreal engine lags after i finisht hem in substance painter, if not they stay as is 🙂
quasi mantle
I was hyped for that feature, thinking to myself, maybe I could use it to make custom editor/mod kit without the user signing up to Epic and obtain Unreal licence, but nope.
quasi mantle
UElibrary?
Yes
quasi mantle
Which is what I want to avoid.
oblique cloak
OHhhh i understand now
quasi mantle
I'd rather not getting into modifying the editor again just for mod kit
quasi mantle
Please don't crosspost and see #instructions on posting to job board channels
oblique cloak
why can anything ever just be perfect. Now i got to fix these triangles. ugh!!!!!!!
pearl elk
#fakeguns
oblique cloak
😦
pearl elk
protect the 2nd amendment, real guns only\
oblique cloak
lol
pearl elk
pearl elk
they are bullet holes
oblique cloak
when you have a hard surface it curves polys.
Wow what i just learned
Fable 4, which is going to be created by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playground_Games Will run on the same engine as Forza Horizon series
It will run on the Forza series' in-house game engine, ForzaTech.
quasi mantle
Fable 4, which is going to be created by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playgroun...
Using a racing game engine for RPG, hope it goes well...
pearl elk
but Forza Horizon is an RPG 😛
quasi mantle
Though Codemaster's Operation Flashpoint also was built with a racing game engine
oblique cloak
that does not look like a bad game whatsoever 😮
pearl elk
will that be the same engine as the new NFS
oblique cloak
need for speed has nothing to do with microsoft xD
quasi mantle
Is Codemasters second party to EA? If they're a first party to EA, they'll get shoved Frostbite up their hand
pearl elk
not sure on the specifics of the purchase, could have been that it was contingent on Codemasters being allowed to keep developing their own tech
from what Ive read Ghost became an engine support team for Frostbite and Criterion and Codemasters are teaming up on the next NFS
but yeah NFS is an RPG too hehe
they should totally have a car creator though at the start
let you build up the ultimate low budget clown car
oblique cloak
the old school nfs where amazing on the og xboxs.
pearl elk
Im more of a PS1 guy
cursive crypt
Sega or bust
pearl elk
the original Hot Pursuit, HP2 and High Stakes
zinc matrix
dont you love it when you solve your game dev technical problems in your sleep
pearl elk
If you dont have a Sega Rally arcade box are you even a Sega fan 😛
cursive crypt
Not a big driver 🤔
I don't remember playing more than few racing games after say, 2010 or even earlier.
cursive crypt
I remember playing one cool tho, pixel art like.
You were able to buy various stuff, like bombs, tire cutters and etc. Different cars/jeeps and whatnot.
pearl elk
thats not Interstate 76 is it
cursive crypt
Let me see...
pearl elk
talkin bout brining back the funk 😛
cursive crypt
It was 2d, but maybe along the lines 😄
oblique cloak
thats not Interstate 76 is it
i was part of the mod team that remade this game for battlefield 1942
pearl elk
I didnt even know there was a mod of it 😮
pearl elk
interesting, yeah Ive never seen this mod
deep copper
me neither
pearl elk
you dont play games though
oblique cloak
when i am done with this game thats my next project 🙂
deep copper
yeah i haven't seen the game OR the mod, my point stands !!
pearl elk
lol you never seen Battlefield 2
Im surprised its a game where you go around hugging your enemies to death
pearl elk
blocked 😮
fleet tangle
oblique cloak
what? that is some weird stuff
quasi mantle
SME, the #2 when it comes to blocking music stuff
oblique cloak
Ahhh
quasi mantle
Of course the #1 would be this
https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/InteractiveExperiences/UMG/UserGuide/
Oh wait
pearl elk
whats the difference though between playing it in a browser and in discord, makes no sense
quasi mantle
I mean this
https://www.universalmusic.com/
You can record yourself taking a breath and Universal Music Group would copystrike your video
deep copper
Im surprised its a game where you go around hugging your enemies to death
wait really? no way right? that's gotta be a single person shooter
oblique cloak
You can record yourself taking a breath and Universal Music Group would copystri...
insane and i thought DMCA was bad
deep copper
You can record yourself taking a breath and Universal Music Group would copystri...
"yeah that silence in that part, that's already been done in this other song"
pearl elk
wait really? no way right? that's gotta be a single person shooter
snuggle person shooter
deep copper
snuggle person shooter
let's snuggle 🤗
oblique cloak
guns that shoot kittens and they go purr purr purr
quasi mantle
UMG also owns sound libraries, which is why they tend to be trigger happy with copyright claim for sound effects
celest musk
can you rephrase that in english?
deep copper
UMG also owns sound libraries, which is why they tend to be trigger happy with c...
oof i guess, that's all i can say, it's like owning the basic geometry shapes but a bit weirdly shaped
quasi mantle
can you rephrase that in english?
"Hippity hoppity, your fart is now copyrighted by Universal Music Group"
celest musk
ok
they can claim all my farts
i can live without them
https://www.twitch.tv/unrealengine live btw.
quasi mantle
Twitch hates my internet connection
oblique cloak
ahh its about lyra.. yawn
deep copper
i can live without them
i can't live without you though
pearl elk
they cant claim the smell only the sound
deep copper
jk
celest musk
you better get used to it
oblique cloak
So many people think they are game devs now with lyra on reddit >_<
deep copper
you better get used to it
the smell?
pearl elk
but I am a game dev
quasi mantle
ahh its about lyra.. yawn
Bruh just use lyra lmao
fleet tangle
I'm not a game dev, I'm a magician.
deep copper
what's lyra about
oblique cloak
Bruh just use lyra lmao
no thank you. its not even a good system to use xD
quasi mantle
what's lyra about
Dumbed down version of Fortnite
deep copper
Dumbed down version of Fortnite
are there blue mannequin in it?
quasi mantle
Yes
Though weirdly Lyra doesn't attract the kids
pearl elk
real game devs put superheros into CitySample
celest musk
oh i missed how american it is, with blue vs. red
deep copper
Yes
Though weirdly Lyra doesn't attract the kids
ah, i have seen more parts of it than i thought then
quasi mantle
real game devs put superheros into CitySample
And then journos made bombastic videos on it
deep copper
oh i missed how american it is, with blue vs. red
🫂 look blue people
quasi mantle
If only I know gaining clout is that easy
celest musk
maybe city sample can be enhanced to hug simulator
quasi mantle
CitySample costs too much for gaining clout tho
deep copper
i won't play it unless it includes you as a target
celest musk
...
pearl elk
I like to battle rap other game devs for clout
oblique cloak
this is all common sense stuff >_<
celest musk
how much would you pay for that?
quasi mantle
I like to battle rap other game devs for clout
No need to learn rap, just shit on Elden Ring on twitter and voila, huge clout
deep copper
how much would you pay for that?
i pay in hugs, infinite hugs!
pearl elk
I got better bling than any of your elden rings
deep copper
or well, something else if you like, though probably of same nature
oblique cloak
this guy has no idea how to set up a croma key and lighting xD
deep copper
elden ring gained enough attention for that to happen but it would probably die down soon as well, so hurry!
quasi mantle
.
pearl elk
tbh its a fair comment about the industry at large, how does so much shit get such high ratings
think about it HL got such a high metacritic it left like 2% for hundreds of years of computer gaming in the future
deep copper
low standards i guess
pearl elk
if I went back and reviewed HL now Id have to give it like a 65
deep copper
when was it released?
pearl elk
thats not saying its a bad game or not industry changing, just pretty average by todays standards
so to say you need to do better than 97 to make a game better than Elden Ring is kinda like eeeeh
issue is all these great games from the past have high scores that arnt adjusted for time so we think we need to put everything in the high 90s but if we were being true theres enough bugs in alot of initial releases to put even the best of the best games around 75ish
quasi mantle
.
Game UX
Considering most far west AAA games cluttered the screen with too much UI resulting in messy UX
PC graphics, stability and performance
Okay, TBF, Far East devs didn't put much attention to PC god tier graphics and performance for years
Quest design
Not everything has to follow Rockstar like quest design nor markers everywhere
pearl elk
I think the menus that Elden Ring does have are probably kinda shoddy tbh, not played it though
Ive played other From Software games
bloody Assassins Creed, that didnt even have a proper exit button lol
quasi mantle
See the irony
Yups, I see it very well 😂
pearl elk
lets look at Assassins Creed metacritic
quasi mantle
Recent open world Ubi games IMO has messy UX
Also goddamnit I hate their menus with left thumbstick as mouse pointer, with burning passion
bronze axle
Surprise: people from different studios have different ideas of good UX.
pearl elk
Surprise metacritic doesnt care about UX even if it was amazing 😛
bronze axle
Well it's Metacritic. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl elk
because they dont even care about rating the best games highly
oh its a Battlefield game, here have a minimum of 80 points
quasi mantle
I prefer the good ol D-pad navigation, it's far more tactile and allows for speed menuing too
robust shale
I've almost had several heart cardicacs arguing for UX against aspie devs
pearl elk
UX standards change over time too, well standards overall
back when I started gaming WASD wasnt a thing
quasi mantle
Though on second thought, I think so far only Ubisoft games that uses the dreaded left thumbstick cursor UI
quasi mantle
Other recent games that I see on console didn't seem to adopt Ubisoft's left thumbstick cursor
pearl elk
play something like System Shock or Rise of the Robots and you'll see what Im on about
quasi mantle
play something like System Shock or Rise of the Robots and you'll see what Im on...
I already know how it feels to strafe with , and .
Also shooting with right Ctrl
pearl elk
I still remap car game controls to arrows from WASD tbh because Im better at steering with my handiness hand
oblique cloak
Weird POV, i use a foot pedal to shoot in shooting games.
robust shale
UX standards change over time too, well standards overall
I mean there's usabiliy, ux, interaction design. Unfortunately a lot of discussions about trivial gui details and a lot less about intent and automation 🙂
quasi mantle
Weird POV, i use a foot pedal to shoot in shooting games.
Are you also a drummer, by chance?
pearl elk
I mean there's usabiliy, ux, interaction design. Unfortunately a lot of discuss...
tbh I got stuck in 8hrs in Dark Souls because I didnt see a ladder
apparently thats good design according to critics
quasi mantle
naw its from rockband tho
But you do play the drum sections?
oblique cloak
But you do play the drum sections?
nope 🙂
robust shale
It's unfortunately a fact that a lot of software is software driven
Not that pure ux specialist are much better
but hard to find overlapping experience
pearl elk
I dont exactly expect my hand to be held but it would have been nice to have some design cues to lead my eye in that direction and guide me subtly
but nope, thats the masterfulness of it, that they completely ignore design all together and just put you on your arse
like writing a book upside down and back to front
oblique cloak
these question in UE5 twitch chat xD
quasi mantle
This is the part where I have to forcefully admit Half Life is good at subtle hints
oblique cloak
I feel like halflife will never make another series.
pearl elk
thats one of the best things about it, is they teach you without you knowing theyre teaching you
quasi mantle
I feel like halflife will never make another series.
Blame Valve's company structure for that
oblique cloak
Blame Valve's company structure for that
more about making money on cs skins and steam handheld devices, than making games.
quasi mantle
I guess Steam and CSGO is getting too successful, cancelled HL project would cost them next to nothing
pearl elk
Valve wont even make a Portal 3 😦
robust shale
I strongly recommend this book 🙂 Its kinda conceptional but was an eye opener back in the days. Alan Cooper is a monster, the Dr House of programming languages. I love him. The guy invented Visual basic, Delphi, and thrashed Microsoft to their face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-IM6r-T6q0 🙂 https://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780672326141/samplepages/0672326140.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wtGFgaKYI0&t=25s
pearl elk
imagine how huge Orange Box 3 would be, but nope, skins and hats for life
robust shale
OMG this was hard to find. I think the interview was buried. Probably not interesting for most people.. but just Savage and amazing 🙂 Poor interviewer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqtwGuGRjJM
fleet tangle
He's pretty Dim
robust shale
Dim? 🙂
fleet tangle
Do you... know VB?
robust shale
More than I want
fleet tangle
If you know anything about VB and don't get that joke, I think you may be Dim.
pearl elk
it works visually though
timber viper
UE5VB when
pearl elk
use the DLL thinggy to embed it into Excel
fleet tangle
Or the racing game.
robust shale
I mean, Alan Cooper is like the father of Interaction in the same way as Jakob Nielsen is the pope of Usability. Ruby became VB, Delphi etc. I'm not sure its best to judge him by his languages (even though he IS the father of visual programming).. But anyway, don't take my word for it. I really recommend "The Inmates are running the asylum" which is much more design in generaö. His book "About Face" is lke "The Bible" when it comes to practical interface design. It's rare that I wholeheartedly recommend something. It can be trendy, biased or updated. But not "Inmates are running the asylum". It's an eye opener 🙂
robust shale
I mean, I do not think I have a single computer person I have as an actual idol 🙂
Carmack is kinda cool
Romero is kinda cool
fleet tangle
Carmack was a beast.
robust shale
McAffee is totally cray
fleet tangle
Romero did Daikatana. He cannot be forgiven.
robust shale
Carmack is the OG introvert gamedev genius. All cred for leaving Bethesda 🙂
Ugh
Well
Those were different times
pearl elk
Its not just about knowing what to do though, Carmack is very good at making products
robust shale
I'm so glad I didnt get my green card and ended up in Austin 🙂
fleet tangle
To be fair, I haven't heard anything about Romero since Daikatana.
pearl elk
You could be the best smartest programmer, UX designer whatever but if you cant productise your work
robust shale
Romero is a great creative, that needs to be surrounded by enablers. Carmach is like a mozart of gamedev, but also need someone that actually pushes him to make a product
Albeit much more disfunctional ID software was much like Queen
pearl elk
depends on where your focus is I suppose, if youre busy building rockets or VR headsets instead of games
robust shale
Carmack is a geek by heart. Learning and pushing pure engine dev forward is his only drive
robust shale
Find it a bit sad that every single one of the classic ID crew has moved on. Betheda just ate them whole and spit em out
pearl elk
Well they didnt want Rage to come back and bite them on the Fallout
robust shale
All that was such an EA wannabe Bethesda dilbertian move
pearl elk
soon all game dev studios will be owned by 5 or 6 big companies
robust shale
I had to negotiate with them to buy a level I made (which is one of the all time most popular ones) , which I signed over for nothing because I'd rather want people to pay it. Then they turned around and offered it to only their paid tier and when I was pissed and said something they threatened me with a NDA
I'm not bitter 🙂
pearl elk
Im still upset at the original Xbox
MS were doing so well with PC publishing before that
torpid star
I had to negotiate with them to buy a level I made (which is one of the all time...
With who?
robust shale
I mean, MS is winning now 🙂
robust shale
With who?
Who at ID software? 🙂 I better not tell. I mean, I think Im still under NDA ever though I' refused to clear any check
Wasnt any of the originals, later one
oblique cloak
pearl elk
he looks like a farmer
oblique cloak
In April 2022, conspiracy theorists insinuated that billionaire Bill Gates was buying up “the majority” of American farmland as part of a diabolical plot to cause widespread food shortages.```He literally intervened in IRC when I said something about they charging for it... christ, felt just like souless
oblique cloak
but its true
lol
IRC was the greatest invention ever.
i miss making IRC scripts and servers
robust shale
I know right, proper training for teams/zoom/slack keyboard warrioring 🙂
robust shale
This was my first level, amazing no? 🙂
oblique cloak
what game was that for?
robust shale
q1
robust shale
the soon to be hammer editor that was called worldcraft
pearl elk
ewww tiling textures
oblique cloak
you could not untile back then xD
robust shale
I kinda liked it, BSP and others was much more hardcore
oblique cloak
BSP is a thing of the past lol
pearl elk
worldcraft was alright, still preferred quark
robust shale
You, I like you 🙂
pearl elk
only cuz Im old
oblique cloak
call of duty BSP editing, IDKHTF they did most of there level design, that took MONTHS to complete.
robust shale
I think I won a Quark 1-on-1 level contest back in the day, maybe, not sure. Remember reading the devs .plan or whatever. That stuff was hardcore 🙂
fleet tangle
Quark?
oblique cloak
i cant find any of my maps on the internet 😦 they all where deleted.
pearl elk
doing levels is what got me into modelling, I eventually found 3dsmax and made some chonky models one was abit like a minecraft version of masterchief lol
fleet tangle
This was my first level, amazing no? 🙂
Were you a professional team fortress level designer?
oblique cloak
all yall can make the levels for my cs/valorant shooter xD
robust shale
i cant find any of my maps on the internet 😦 they all where deleted.
Aww, really? Brief moment of fame and all that. I had actually released like 1-3 semi-crappy maps and was working on my piece de 'la resistance. My hand went back to plug in my headphones into my incredibly beige computer. A crackle of static energy and the whole comp died (this was when a 486 cost a fortune). Almost gave up but rebuilt it from scratch and it was muuuch on a secondy try, tightening everything up. Still played today, was played in QuakeCon. Random random 🙂 Then again you see how much fame works in your favour ,must be zillion maps better than mine.,,, but one your known 🙂
robust shale
Were you a professional team fortress level designer?
I wish 🙂 Only q1/q2, tried to get a job at "Hipnotic" in Austin long time ago. So glad I didnt get it. Game dev is fun, but not sure i'd want it as main occupation 🙂
fleet tangle
I was more poking holes at the awful level design in TF.
oblique cloak
Man the good ole days, where the community released a new map, all the dedicated servers where playing it. clans filling every server. Everyone screaming in teamspeak, hackers trying to get admin status and banning everyone... Gamespy was a amazing place and xfire was the way to send messages.
robust shale
Everyone loves dust 🙂
fleet tangle
Man, fuck xfire.
robust shale
Bluesnews, Planet Quake, .plan news 🙂
fleet tangle
Back then I only really played Tribes. ❤️
robust shale
OMG he's still there https://www.bluesnews.com/
sharp kernel
I wish 🙂 Only q1/q2, tried to get a job at "Hipnotic" in Austin long time ago....
I don't think AAA game dev looks fun. To me if I can't be an indie dev then I don't want to be one. Of course if I was leading my own team at a AAA company that is different. 😄
robust shale
I played a little of ... what was it called Unreal Tournament, the one with the roles and the based. Was pretty great, almost as good as CTF 🙂
Being employeed in gamedev seems like being employeed in IT with less pay and more slavery
But you think its kinda fun
oblique cloak
I miss playing Americas army games
pearl elk
What is Unreal Tournament? Never heard of that one
fleet tangle
It was this shitty game that tried to compete with Quake.
fleet tangle
I mean, if you don't get your own Steven Hawking insert video, are you even a real game?
pearl elk
what even is a real game
is there a definition somewhere, like right under greek tragedy?
robust shale
Awww, I mean, I'm obvs the biggest quake fan ever but though Unreal Tournament was pretty cool with its classes/vehicles/team oriented play
pearl elk
Which game had better mods tho
fleet tangle
Needed more jetpacks a la Tribes.
pearl elk
isnt that just Advanced Warfare?
robust shale
Challenge me to DM4, DM2, or DM6 anyday plebs I dare you!
oblique cloak
hands down.
fleet tangle
I never got the appeal of dm2, it was too big.
pearl elk
was Garrys mod for Quake or UT?
robust shale
DM4 is obvs the best 1on1 map ever made
fleet tangle
Half life, wasn't it?
oblique cloak
hl2
oblique cloak
meh
fleet tangle
If you wanna talk successful mods, CS is probably #1
Or DOTA?
Both spawned generations.
pearl elk
I dunno aye TF2 came from Quake
fleet tangle
TF2 came from valve stuff, not iD.
pearl elk
Team Fortress was a Quake mod
fleet tangle
Hmm.
robust shale
Wasnt it a HL mod?
pearl elk
I actually asked which game had better mods Quake or UT but aye
robust shale
CTF was a quake mod
fleet tangle
Team Fortress Classic (also known as Team Fortress 1.5) is a first-person shooter game developed by Valve and published by Sierra Studios. It was originally released in April 1999 for Windows, and is based on Team Fortress, a mod for the 1996 game Quake
pearl elk
no school like the old school 😛
pearl elk
it was, most people remember it from HL
bit like DOTA not originally being source either
its based on that Starcraft mod or somethin
fleet tangle
Well DOTA was WC3
pearl elk
thats the one Warcraft 3
I do remember playing a mod for Q3 which was alot like CS and I liked it more, cant remember what it was called
maybe TacOps
fleet tangle
There was action quake too.
pearl elk
I remember a portal gun mod for Q1 I played
robust shale
I remember the poor group that made an "Aliens" mod for quake, the movie company brutally shut them down, coining the term "Foxed"
pearl elk
but Alien Doom got let go didnt it
robust shale
I dont even know what that is 🙂
oblique cloak
YOU NEVER PLAYED A POSTAL GAME????
oblique cloak
i cant even explain the game to you
pearl elk
you'll get banned 😛
oblique cloak
becuase peeing on people is off the charts.
pearl elk
pee on them, make them puke then cut their head off with a shovel so the puke comes out their neck hole
oblique cloak
lol
pearl elk
so many interacting systems
robust shale
Sounds too much like work
pearl elk
then get your dog to eat em
he's a good boy, he'll bring their gun or their head back to you
robust shale
It's going to be interesting now when Bethesda is gearing up to capitalize and release a new quake game without any of the OG. God help us all
pearl elk
what new Quake game?
robust shale
When even Tim Willits leaves you know you're fucked
Rumour is next Bethesda game will me quake 1 style
pearl elk
oh Machine Games is gonna do one
so they might use Doom Eternal engine, that could be interesting
robust shale
Hmm, dont know of then, lemme check
pearl elk
they did the recent Wolfenstein games
robust shale
Fun fact, romero has released all his levels as open source
I actually should do as well
Ahh, they're from Uppsala, cool 🙂 Like a suburb to the capital 🙂
oblique cloak
you guys know you can download wolfenstien right now on steam for free?
servers are up
lol
robust shale
Then again Wolfenstein Youngblood is reviewed like the worst Wolfenstein game ever
pearl elk
speaking of, I should transition my Bethesda launcher games over
pearl elk
yeah isnt it may
robust shale
Like Wolfenstein Wolfenstein or Neu Wolfenstein? 🙂
robust shale
#notmywolfenstein
oblique cloak
released 2 days ago
pearl elk
I actually didnt mind that Wolfenstein they did with the veil mechanic
oblique cloak
its better than the most recent cods from 2014 and up!
robust shale
pearl elk
looks like its called Wolfenstein 2009
robust shale
Wolfenstein in general seems to've been much better managed than quake and doom, perhaps excluding the latest doom which was kinda popular
but fuck Quake Champions forever
If you pardon my language
Outsourced , half-assed, money-grab
pearl elk
I love the latest Doom games, I didnt even mind the MP from 2016
mainly the hackers were an issue
robust shale
The latest doom did better than most
pearl elk
yeah so transition from Bethesda Launcher is 27th of April to 11th of May
robust shale
I hope Bethesda and Ubisoft die in a furry death together
pearl elk
tbh I like Ubisofts launcher better than EAs
I miss Battlelog though, that shit was so cool in BF3
robust shale
Hard to say. Ubisoft might cave under their own weight as well, but not EA not exactly lookiing great after their latest release, and the owner has created his own breakout studio
regal pecan
but fuck Quake Champions forever
in hindsight esports was a terrible idea
it was also terrible in foresight but you couldn't convince anyone no matter how hard you tried
robust shale
Still the best documentary 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjZYMI1zB9s Sponsored by Valve... but still pretty good
pearl elk
in hindsight esports was a terrible idea
it was also terrible in foresight but y...
CPL 4 lyfe
oblique cloak
CPL 4 lyfe
morrowind 4 lyfe
pearl elk
what no Baulder's Gate
robust shale
I feel like giving hope to any teenager they'll substain their life on valorant/CS/PUBG is pretty cruel. But what are you gonna do? :*)
oblique cloak
I feel like giving hope to any teenager they'll substain their life on valorant/...
Im making the next best cs/valo/cod game trust.
pearl elk
Apex is pretty popular too
pearl elk
why wont anyone play Quake Wars with me 😿
oblique cloak
Valorant killed my main, Jett so i uninstalled lastnight.
robust shale
Oooh I kinda love Apex, I mean I kinda suck, but every game is an experience and the team interaction is really well done
pearl elk
It was revolutionary, it was like a MOBA before they existed
robust shale
I still kinda want to do a quake game and release free to play... because Quake play needs a comeback 🙂 The logistics tho. I would cream myself if I had a good quakish game with rocketjumb and slide
regal pecan
rocketjumb!
pearl elk
shame the vehicle phyics were like one step above Pariah
oblique cloak
I remember my mom telling me to go outside once, so i put my computer on the deck and played wow
pearl elk
anyone play Brink?
robust shale
I would make RJ an stamina ability, without splash damage. Its soo good, needs to be a main dynamic
And some wall-running, but no bunny hopping
pearl elk
you can do that with a soldier loadout in TF2, there are different launchers, some shoot better from the air and have less RJ splash
then you get the parachute and can float down
pearl elk
Direct Hit was always my favourite, when they thing crits its hilarious
robust shale
Railgun in q2 was a mistake IMO, and a lot of other weapons don't matter. RL, GL, LG, SG 🙂
pearl elk
I know a fair bit about how the physics in these things work after pulling apart UTComp back in the UT2004 days
also worked on a UC2 port to PC mod so I got really into the complexities of wall jumps, dodges and chute dodges
robust shale
Quake Tournament netcode was pretty epic. R and G was projectile, LG /shotgun/nailguns hitscan
pearl elk
UT has its own quirk with how the velocity of dodges works
robust shale
mm, I dunno, I played a fair bit of both. Unreal was gimmicky, but quake at highest level was friggin insane
pearl elk
you'll see people tweak the view to get more length out of the dodge
pearl elk
try doing a slide mechanic 🙂
oblique cloak
i followed a tut on that too
pearl elk
probably but did it feel good lol
oblique cloak
nothing but tracing the ground
robust shale
I remember watching one of the biggest quake 1on1 and it was between one guy who had like 20 in mouse sensitive between 300 (?), Columbo vs Recall I think. Just to make things clear one has to move his hand like a landmover while the other like 1 cm
pearl elk
its one thing to put all these mechanics in its another entirely for it to feel right
pearl elk
it can be if you dont have aggressive players breathing down your neck about it
oblique cloak
the hard part is modeling good things, and making it presentable to the player.
pearl elk
they'll scream for things to be removed rather than try to get it tweaked to a nice value
obviously at some point you gotta say well this isnt working but from what I saw of UT4 dev there wasnt much room to move in regards to new algorithms
there were two camps, Quake and UT, both wanted the physics exactly as the games theyve trained so hard on
robust shale
Fun fact, a lot of the top tier quake players came from Digital Illusions in Stockholms that got absorbed into EA and later made whatver popular games they made with the Frost Engine. I thought I was was pretty good at quake, like ... top 20%, but when the true killers came online you stood no chance
torpid star
I remember watching one of the biggest quake 1on1 and it was between one guy who...
Arena styled shooters oriented around map control and movement are still a par above all other competitive games in my mind.
oblique cloak
Noone has mastered attack and defend/ search and destroy sense cod4/cs source.
torpid star
1v1 me bloodrun @robust shale
pearl elk
Noone has mastered attack and defend/ search and destroy sense cod4/cs source.
I dunno Battlefield 3 was pretty good
torpid star
yep, from what I've seen a crazy amount of study goes into mastering games like that. Analyzing your own demos (quake engine replays) and others as well.
robust shale
Arena styled shooters oriented around map control and movement are still a par a...
I dunno, Diabotical has tried but I think its hard to sell old style quake games, have to change something
robust shale
1v1 me bloodrun <@708128504562188378>
My main "Big five" competitor ?! Never 🙂
pearl elk
its the loop, its stale for most people
robust shale
1v1 me bloodrun <@708128504562188378>
Oki, Still kinda want to do it. Just have to find an old q1 install. i'll get back to you 🙂
torpid star
:D, quake live if u have it
robust shale
My rjumping reflexes are all out of practice
regal pecan
Quake live is still around?
torpid star
yep, very very niche now
torpid star
My rjumping reflexes are all out of practice
that's okay I'm very rusty too
he already knows where somebody is and pre-emptively fires and gets a direct hit
hi
how's the #cpp? the coroutine indoctrination seems to be going well
robust shale
It's funny being challenged in Blood Run, since that's only custom map along with mine that is that popular 🙂 Good I love , I think its Kandyman that made it, and they made a whole amazing singleplayer experience called Zerstörer. Very dark. Very germn
torpid star
It's funny being challenged in Blood Run, since that's only custom map along wit...
what map did you make?
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I was playing that map not so long with friends I think
robust shale
The lesson is if you're going to do a map, just think of all of the cool tricks first 🙂
pearl elk
you need an energy drink sponsor or somethin these days
torpid star
I remember that map being such a m*nd fuck to get around, but if you truly mastered movement around in it then you're basically a god amongst players
robust shale
Mmmm, My ego is big enough, dont want to squeeze too much out of my 15 seconds of fame 🙂
torpid star
you deserve it :P
robust shale
I know right, I did design a lot of the rocket jumps, but there is a few, like you can immediately turn out out the upper teleporter onto the platform that I didnt know at all
torpid star
yeah, being a quake mapper must be very satisfying because the pros will know every inch of every clip and will abuse every last piece of geometry
robust shale
And as I said earlier, hadnt my computer died we'd been stuck with a way worse version that probably would't had been popular at all
torpid star
well you never know
robust shale
I mean it was very brown. I know theres like one wall I missed. But a lot of pros play with resolution so way down... and you're liek :/
oblique cloak
whats funny tho, that the 1 v 1 - 2 v 2 finally made a comeback in the most recent cods. I remember a map called Wawa_3daim
robust shale
Q2 version was prettier... but I never liked q2 gameplay because I thought it was too slow and RG didnt fit in
torpid star
ah, have you had a chance to look at it in Q2: RTX?
pearl elk
that hyperblaster tho
torpid star
pinnacle of mapping right there
oblique cloak
set cv_showtris 1 to true bam free wall hack just toggle on and off so punkbuster does not flag you
robust shale
Hmm, not sure, I kinda gave up after that because I felt Q2/Q3 became a little too "not q1" I talked a lot with a guy called hubster that ported it to q3/q4 tho
torpid star
I hope his versions didn't stray from the original vision
oblique cloak
alright time for devving 😦 been lounging for 5 hours
robust shale
Rocket arena was its own thing. Take lyra, quake physics, released it for free and see it dominate 🙂
pearl elk
but Quake is free and it doesnt dominate
robust shale
I started the level around a few trick jumps I wanted to make , which I think is a decent approach. Then branch out from there. But still, quake was so friggin intensive, hard to design for
I still think though, dm4 is the perfect level, except the lava, which can be a bit unfair 🙂
My third level was just a clone of dm4 with some lame "fixes"
tacit citrus
robust shale
Could even use the dash ability to do Rocket jump. Always thought that should be an ability in itself rather than forcing yourself to yourself. I mean, it was great for pioneering times, but still
tacit citrus
ha ha!
robust shale
Could you do quake now tho? not so ure
Diabotical has flopped
Apex works because its team based
tacit citrus
I'm still in the PQL Community, and Quake is hyper niche... very few of us still play it.
robust shale
Oh god tho, imagine old school quake withb apex slide. That slide is like crack cocaine
pearl elk
a game community gets larger when it has a chance to, when new players are completely obliterated on their first game
robust shale
I'm still in the PQL Community, and Quake is hyper niche... very few of us still...
Yeah, I talk to a few of mod owners sometimes... but yeah, isn't easy, They've done a great work with reflex (?) and stuff but it simply isnt maintream enough any more
pearl elk
some people have the self drive to get better, most will just go nope not fun and move on
tacit citrus
Yeah, that's why Quake can't grow. We literally shit on new players and we don't stop curb stomping them.
robust shale
I think team games over individual games is a no-brainer these days
I still think tho If I made like the worlds best CTF game theres a game
robust shale
CTF and some other play modes are amazing, like the freeze one (?)
pearl elk
best games of UT and Quake Ive had were all with friends and no randoms from online
more realistic skill gaps
robust shale
I mean, I still think theres a pretty amazing game there. Not so many fancy weapons. RL. GL, Wall bang etc. But, commercially viable? Proably not. Only if your Elon Mush Jr and want sponsorship from Nvidia or Tencent
pearl elk
I still think energy drink would be a more appropriate sponsor
the gameplay looks like its on a caffeine high
robust shale
oh god! I found it, not the best quality when you watch it these days but still https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzszHOCEuQY
pearl elk
Red Bull Rocket Launcher gives you wings
robust shale
I mean its 2005, pretty cool (probably not) for what it is 🙂
Who can't see those dm6 kiills and be filled with nostalgia? 🙂
pearl elk
I prefer to play than to watch tbh
maybe theres something to that, appealing to the spectators as well
robust shale
Apex... its as close as you come these days :)'
pearl elk
my internet is no good for MP
tacit citrus
Apex is too slow for Quake players. Meh.
regal pecan
Everything is too slow for Quake players
tacit citrus
Not Tribes.
regal pecan
I liked Tribes. Because it was slow. -er. -ish.
quasi mantle
Everything is too slow for Quake players
Even UT'99
regal pecan
Especially UT.
regal pecan
I'm surprised that Quake players can tolerate waiting for the rocket launcher to hit things.
quasi mantle
Even HL Deathmatch Source?
tacit citrus
^^ Good players getting recked by top skilled
quasi mantle
I don't know how much Quake's movement is retained in Half Life
robust shale
I don't know how much Quake's movement is retained in Half Life
Luckily you can just look at this https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/PBCharacterMovement
quasi mantle
Luckily you can just look at this https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/PBCharacter...
Already had it in my dicking around boomer shooter project lol
robust shale
May a thousand Lyra projects bloom 🙂
quasi mantle
No, I wish them all dead on arrival 😈
oblique cloak
Luckily you can just look at this https://github.com/ProjectBorealis/PBCharacter...
TBH i had to hack and slash this code for it to replicate properly.
robust shale
TBH i had to hack and slash this code for it to replicate properly.
Yeah, the source aint pretty, but kudos for giving good movement physics.Tho guessing from reading the Diabotical subreddit, they'll never be happy 🙂
oblique cloak
Yeah, the source aint pretty, but kudos for giving good movement physics.Tho gu...
its absolute dog shit. lol they hard coded auto bunny hopping into it, and the air strafe was broken too.. ugh so many things. But you are right, free is a good number!!
robust shale
its absolute dog shit. lol they hard coded auto bunny hopping into it, and the a...
Yeah... it was a bit sad seeing an "e-sports guy" putting themselves behind this, doing "everything right" and still. Probably just too much of a dichotomy between dreams and reality, and not being unique enough, Cut-throat
pearl elk
Its all about that cross promotion baby, its not garage games anymore like back in the Quake days, playing with the big bidness boys now