Hmm don't know what I was reading and thinking I was replying too
#lounge
verbal junco
I'm like the only person not giving a hoot about the matrix demo it seems ๐
fathom wadi
i thought they did include it as part of the large crowd AI system
ocean parcel
what's an .msi?
ocean parcel
I'm like the only person not giving a hoot about the matrix demo it seems ๐
they made a game of the matrix?
verbal junco
they made a game of the matrix?
dunno if it's a game
it's some random demo
looks very much just a bunch of tech stuff
no gameplay
people are raving
I can't say I understand why
mossy nexus
It pushes current gen computers to the max and runs like shit. This is by design according to the bug reports. I guess what they mean is that next year or two your top end PC might be able to run it. So a bit like Can your PC run Crysis.
The tech that went into making it is interesting, but honestly I'm not seeing the wow factor I was hoping for either.
verbal junco
yeah graphical fidelity does zilch for me
we don't need better graphics
we need better design
also open world games are the biggest crutch
mossy nexus
except water. I'm 100% behind good water systems. Dear gods give me a dynamic water system.
verbal junco
if you're talking fluid dynamics
mossy nexus
Should be interesting to see what people do with the niagara fluid plugin. Fluid Ninja, Fluid Flux etc hopefully good times ahead.
mossy nexus
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. Spot on. Environmental gameplay device
verbal junco
I guess I'm just tired of seeing new graphics all the time, yet the games are literally playing all the same
so few people dare innovate
just sell another big open world with the same repetitive tasks
rinse repeat
mossy nexus
build a dam, flood a valley, put out forest fires.. secret caves at the bottom of lakes you can only get to by draining the lake. How the player does it.. up to them kinda thing. Fun times.
verbal junco
I mean you could fake that even today
mossy nexus
For sure
verbal junco
unless it has to be a pixel perfect sim
mossy nexus
Performance of all these lovey new things however is da bigga poop]
thorny dock
i thought they did include it as part of the large crowd AI system
ahh, i've got it loading now so I'll check
verbal junco
even from soft went with the open world approach
one of the reasons I haven't played it tbh
thorny dock
is because it's open world?
verbal junco
yea
having a horse is another crutch
since the world is bigger now you need somehow to get easier between areas
thorny dock
I think you should try it before coming to that conclusion
verbal junco
it's a vicious cycle
thorny dock
it's really not, it's hands down the best horse system in any game to date
simple as it should have always been
thorny dock
like I said, you should try it before coming to that conclusion. Really it's a not huge game when you get down to it, it's also all easily walkable in coop mode, not a long travel time between areas, definitely less then games like skyrim and botw
really its NOT a huge game***
mossy nexus
one of the reasons I haven't played it tbh
What are we talking about here?
thorny dock
elden ring
mossy nexus
Ah. Not played it. Don't feel the desire to. Nice to see a game to well though.
fathom wadi
its an amazing game
thorny dock
I'm not a souls fan like others, but I've played most the games, as in explore it all and beat it and be done. This game has the best most forgiving design, but the most unforgiving enemy design. it really is an amazing game
fathom wadi
it's been such a long time since I felt I got my money's worth out of a single player game but Elden Ring was worth every penny
thorny dock
I avoided all media, got it almost on a blind run, didn't even know it was open world. I feel the exact same way as the comment above, haven't felt that way since I first played PCVR half life alyx
and maybe rdr2, I don't get around to being able to play too much but I love exploring in games
fathom wadi
I guess I could say I got my money's worth out of Cyberpunk 2077. Being that I had no real issues with bugs or launch issues I had a blast and played through the storyline twice.
thorny dock
I've wanted to go back to that, only got half way through but was loving it, didn't have any bug either that weren't funny visual ones
unreal ether
I wouldnt say open world is a crutch
fathom wadi
its a truly under-rated game but I can understand why when it was marketed as something more than it was and came with previous gen console bugs galore. But considering you actually connect with the characters, have plenty of character build options, a gorgeous open world and enough sub-missions to keep you going outside of the main storyline. All it needs is a way to keep the end game going and it's one of the best sci-fi RPGs imo
unreal ether
Its definitely unnecessay in places
Like long stnading series that suddenly switcheroo
Cough cough tomb raider
But opeb world is just a preference, i like exploring nooks and crannies, and seeing environments which is harder in conventional levels
I like being free to roam where i want, rather than being forced into linear progression
Not to say all linear games are bad, theyre not
But you can make an open world game feel forced
Elden ring isnt
fathom wadi
what Elden Ring got right about their open world is there is content 30 seconds or less in any direction. It felt like there wasn't much wasted in terms of space. Of course there is places you travel between, but there are so many mini fights, dungeons, etc, that you don't feel like you are just travelling most of the time
thorny dock
Of course elden ring is considered a open world game but I have a hard time calling it that, it's not as empty as some fallout/elder games
Yes that's why it doesn't feel like a traditional open world, thats a great way to put it, there is always something somewhere
And I think the multiplayer messages system has a huge part of the world also, very fun to read what people are putting down and see phantoms doing things
fathom wadi
try finger, but hole
thorny dock
If only I had a giant, but hole!
ocean parcel
for some reason i've been noticing that my computer sounds louder lately.
but it might just be my paranoia noticing the computer noise and not previously.
verbal junco
I wouldnt say open world is a crutch
open world is a crutch in the industry because people don't know better design
trail wedge
but it might just be my paranoia noticing the computer noise and not previously.
you're not paranoid, the air is getting denser; they're trying to make you go nuts
trail wedge
open world is a crutch in the industry because people don't know better design
Closed World, next big thing
ocean parcel
you're not paranoid, the air is getting denser; they're trying to make you go nu...
Huh?
ocean parcel
that's what they want you to think
who?
unreal ether
open world is a crutch in the industry because people don't know better design
but also consider a lot of people are wanting open world games
they wouldnt make em if there wasnt a market
trail wedge
But why do non-binary individuals want to make me go nuts?
no you're confused; it's more than one of them
ocean parcel
well yah that's why i said 'individuals'.
trail wedge
well yah that's why i said 'individuals'.
it's more of a cabal
ocean parcel
it's more of a cabal
you mean they're like a donkey thing with humps in the desert!?
verbal junco
but also consider a lot of people are wanting open world games
have you considered that people would be fans of better designs too if they were present?
trail wedge
you mean they're like a donkey thing with humps in the desert!?
no like the shadow thing with the cloaks
ocean parcel
no like the shadow thing with the cloaks
oh like harry potter?
trail wedge
oh like harry potter?
exactly
Harry Potter is making your computer louder by making the air denser
you solved the mystery
unreal ether
have you considered that people would be fans of better designs too if they were...
theyre gonna stick with what works though, if people like the open world games, then keep making them, why risk a faliure with something new, its less lazy design and more business strategy imo... they want what will earn them the most, and rn that's open world stuff
verbal junco
theyre gonna stick with what works though, if people like the open world games, ...
sure but dont act as if that's suddenly making open world games good
unreal ether
if open world wasn't popular and liked, you wouldnt have so many new devs tryina make open world, as a lot of newbies tend to base their dream games, off of popular culture they like
unreal ether
sure but dont act as if that's suddenly making open world games good
open world games arent inherently good, you have to make them good granted, but you can't make a blanket statement that all open world games are bad cause open world
again elden ring as example
really great game
raft, open world, but unique and fun
fallout new vegas, open world, and widely regarded as one of the best games in the series
borderlands 3 and borderlands 2 are also semi open, and theyre also really great games
dismissing an entire genre cause of it's playstyle is imo a bit silly, but you do you
again there have been terrible open world games, i for one hated ac: origins cause they turned it into more of a fantasy rpg
there are also widlly successful linear games like call of duty
verbal junco
open world games arent inherently good, you have to make them good granted, but ...
I mean good as in good design
unreal ether
you can have good design in an open world game
verbal junco
not "no open world game can ever be good"
unreal ether
yes it can?
verbal junco
I disagree
zinc matrix
i think open world =/ sandbox
unreal ether
good design doesn't require linear progression
zinc matrix
considering Bordernlands open world is a bit strange
verbal junco
you can have good design in an open world game
I disagree with this
zinc matrix
that game is super linear
verbal junco
good design takes time
if you have to fill up a map the size of an open world game with good design
you'll take 50 years to ship
unreal ether
if my game promotes exploration, and multiple paths of progression, then that can fit quite well into an open world game
verbal junco
logistically it's just not feasible
unreal ether
but good design also doesnt necessarily mean pack as much into whats there
i mean you should
but its not inherently needed imo
fathom wadi
that game is super linear
A lot of open world games are linear in terms of main storyline but you have to consider the possibility of free will travelling, which Borderlands does allow. But yeah, if you keep to the story missions, you end up going from area to area doing a mission and submissions. But aren't most, if not all, open worlds like that?
verbal junco
but good design also doesnt necessarily mean pack as much into whats there
that was never implied?
unreal ether
if you have to fill up a map the size of an open world game with good design
that implies it a small amount imo
zinc matrix
A lot of open world games are linear in terms of main storyline but you have to ...
there is a lot of barriers and other stuff that requires story progression on that game...
verbal junco
that implies it a small amount imo
nope
zinc matrix
one can not grind on spots and see the entire map there
verbal junco
it's a simple matter of quantity vs quality
zinc matrix
without doing the story
fathom wadi
yeah there is because of the way you level up, but again, most open world games do that too. Especially the RPG based ones where your level/stats matter in a fight with bigger creatures
unreal ether
again when you have massive studios working on it, good design is definitely possible in an open world game
not every bit of good design needs 10 months looking at it
if it does the job it is supposed to, and it feels good, and other people think it feels good, then it has been designed well
verbal junco
again when you have massive studios working on it, good design is definitely pos...
I disagree, and I'll go as far as to say that I haven't seen a single open world game with good design
unreal ether
in my opinion*
well we shall just have to agree to disagree, but if every single open world game was poorly designed then they wouldnt be as popular as they are
it's fruitless arguing
zinc matrix
Isn't Minecraft open world?
unreal ether
we arent gonna convince each other
unreal ether
Isn't Minecraft open world?
ye
zinc matrix
Considering how successful that was I don't think it's exactly terrible
unreal ether
no
zinc matrix
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
unreal ether
neither are a lot of open world games
deep glen
I wonder at what point they'll utilize AI/machine learning to fill up spaces with actually good content. (even if its partially authored afterwards)
Looking at what machine learning can already achieve, that'd be interesting to see.
unreal ether
99% of my favourite games are open world, and i can confidently say i think they have been designed well
zinc matrix
Yeah
fathom wadi
its definitely on the horizon. If UE6 doesn't have machine learning built in I'd be surprised
zinc matrix
a lot of difficult to move terrain and unsuitable for thriving as civilization is considered beautiful, like mountains and jungles... idk what one consider a good design in open-world games
unreal ether
I wonder at what point they'll utilize AI/machine learning to fill up spaces wit...
its all well and good until it gets sentient and places bosses at level 1 spawn ๐
zinc matrix
I wonder how to teach ai to drive vehicles and such in ue
fathom wadi
many ways to skin that cat.
verbal junco
Considering how successful that was I don't think it's exactly terrible
good design isn't necessarily always good for business
zinc matrix
Haha
deep glen
cant find the paper on ut99, but its been published so long ago...
thorny dock
I don't know much about machine learning, but I do think that having it built into ue6 may not be as feasible due to high cpu requirements, I thought all ML was done from cloud computers
But we have seen how they can reserve hour slots for cloud services like metahuman editor so maybe not to far fetched
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix making an AI drive is easy. You can make an AI drive perfectly based on the setup of your road, but the trick is to make it drive with variance in skill. Which can be done with behaviour trees or ranges within parameters. Essentially it is defined by how you make the drivable road though. A straight up spline based road would be the easiest because its got a direct line to follow, but open world driving would require some pointers to hint to the Ai where it is heading to
zinc matrix
Cool Thanks
verbal junco
I wonder at what point they'll utilize AI/machine learning to fill up spaces wit...
aren't you an artist? I think artists would be the first people to lose jobs if this actually took off
deep glen
probably, though I think there will be more synergy between artist and AI way before no artists are ever needed :)
iow telling them what to make.
verbal junco
well we shall just have to agree to disagree, but if every single open world gam...
popularity arguments aren't great tbh. plenty of people enjoy bad design as it is. see how many people buy e.g. killzone or halo
zinc matrix
So like auto topology that actually works for example?
fathom wadi
an AI can't decide if something looks good, it can only decide if it falls within acceptable parameters set by the humans. So the artist will always been required
deep glen
at least for the foreseeable future
unreal cedar
"AI" is already heavily used for building out spaces. It's just not called that, it's called procedural tools.
unreal ether
popularity arguments aren't great tbh. plenty of people enjoy bad design as it i...
but then again your metric of never seeing a good designed open world game doesnt work, there si no way you have had the time to nitpick every aspect of every open world game
unreal cedar
As an application for ML... eh.
unreal ether
that would take like 50 years
fathom wadi
yeah until we have sentient opinionated quantum computer based AI
deep glen
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We are beyond excited to announce that an early access version of Promethean AI is now available.
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verbal junco
but then again your metric of never seeing a good designed open world game doesn...
no but if you understand that the argument that open world games pick quantity over quality you can quickly see how you need much more time to make a quality open world game as opposed to just an open world game. this isn't even coming from a point of subjectivity, it's just plain logic
unreal ether
granted,
but a lot of games have quality
but again
i aint gonna argue
we dont see each others viewpoints
and thats fine
verbal junco
I mean I hope as a designer you'd want to understand the argument. unless of course that's not what you want to be
thorny dock
Wow thats cool of promethean, probably will provide valuable data having people test it out like that. I'll definitely give it a try
They've been working on it for quite a while now
zinc matrix
Automation is pretty much essential for lage worlds
thorny dock
Well the buildings were procedurally designed, but the sizes and placement and other style aspects of it was still hand made
verbal junco
Automation is pretty much essential for lage worlds
goes without saying
I worked on an open world game at ubisoft
unreal ether
I mean I hope as a designer you'd want to understand the argument. unless of cou...
i mean i understnad your argument that it is hard to design a good one, but i dont agree that theyre all bad design, thats opinion based
verbal junco
there's no way we'd be able to push out a title in 2 years if it wasn't for automation
fathom wadi
the matrix demo is amazing in terms of tech. The way they used point clouds to populate the spaces, the way they generated the textures dynamically, everything was next level
verbal junco
i mean i understnad your argument that it is hard to design a good one, but i do...
it's not hard to design for a good one. it's time consuming
verbal junco
I mean your point has been refuted by logic
unreal ether
a blanket statement like that can not possibly be proven
verbal junco
but you do you
anyway maybe the idea is that we max out graphics in 10 years or so and then people will start looking for more interesting gameplay as the open world fad fades
or that design just stop being a discipline and everyone is just going to be making the same open world games for the rest of time
unreal ether
yeah like everything open world will fade away
then another new way of playing comes in
and that sticks for another 15 years or so
and then it fades away
verbal junco
next is probably VR
after open world
the VR open world
rinse repeat
it will if people get bored
games are already trending downwards
people aren't buying them as much anymore
possibly because we're seeing the same games over and over again
charred sleet
@fathom wadi Welcome back it's been maybe a year or more since i last saw you in the server hope all has beeen well โค๏ธ
fathom wadi
I've been here all the time ๐ I did take a break for a few months last year because I was suffering from an illness and didn't want to complain about it constantly, but I came back at xmas to get back into the swing of things. And thanks ๐
unreal ether
i feel AR may become the next big one
VR is already pretty thing
maybe VR with full haptic
either that or AR
thorny dock
I wouldn't hold my breath over AR
verbal junco
would love to know where you get that data from
verbal junco
VR is already pretty thing
current VR is underdeveloped still. the tech needed for a better VR experience is necessary if it is to gain mainstream momentum
people still suffer from motion sickness etc.
unreal ether
current VR is underdeveloped still. the tech needed for a better VR experience i...
true but AR is even more unexplored
verbal junco
feel free to post it then
unreal ether
which means with tech advancements it could become mega
verbal junco
possibly
unreal ether
verbal junco
so idk
unreal ether
but AR requires interaction with the real world
true
fathom wadi
AR is something I've been looking towards over VR. I like VR but the practical uses of AR extend beyond the range of games or simple viewers. Like one day we can have a cinema that attacks you with a giant 3d shark ๐
thorny dock
people suffering from motion sickness is very subjective, I used to get it really bad when starting VR, now I don't get it at all no matter what I do unless its something horribly unoptimized like recrooms cars
unreal ether
it is something that could become big, but i cannot imagine how with it's current implementations
VR you can see how it may grow
but with something as unexplored as AR, i cannot imagine how the future may look for it
fathom wadi
seems like films are dying to me. I've seen 2 decent movies in the past 4 months :/
unreal ether
hell advanced AR a logical next step would be holograms
true but that's cause current ar is stinky
who knows what the future will hold
verbal junco
games aren't dying, but games as we know them are definitely changing
unreal ether
definitely something worth R&D
fathom wadi
there is good AR out there but none of it is standardized. It's all custom applications, which doesn't lead to growth as much as standardised methodologies does
verbal junco
what I mean they are changing towards being less game related and more tech related
e.g. VR
fathom wadi
why dont you like crypto brother?
verbal junco
I didn't mean just diFfErEnT gAmEs
unreal ether
why dont you like crypto brother?
blockchain games are just an annoying fad
nfts are hella harmful for the environment
and games dont need blockchain integration
its pointless
^
verbal junco
anyway the data supports that mobile games are on the rise
I know
people aren't buying games
they're just playing them
fathom wadi
it's strange to me that people don't accept blockchain and coins but we have standardised the use of digital coins in games for years now. They just aren't minted by hash algorithms. They are simply a database entry
thorny dock
does oculus get factored into "mobile" since it's android?
verbal junco
who knows
thorny dock
would be important to determine that before saying VR wont take off, or else you just said VR is on the rise
foggy path
There is a pretty big distinction between blockchain and coins vs digital assets in games ๐ค
verbal junco
fathom wadi
yeah but the end result is the same. A currency that players use
foggy path
...for one digital assets in games don't require countries' worth of electricity to run
verbal junco
๐
unreal ether
the whole minting thing is the issue
verbal junco
I'm sure f2p, blockchain and play to earn are going to be huge going forward
unreal ether
the nft craze has been terrible for the environment as a whole
and i dont feel comfortable linking my mere game i wanna play with some crypto bs
its a connection that shouldnt happen
fathom wadi
you don't need blockchain to do the coin thing I agree. But if you are making a metaverse that is cross-compatible with other metaverses, then a standardised method of creating authentic currency that can be transferred seems perfect for blockchain, environmental issues aside
unreal ether
^
there alredy have been ways of standardising currency on massive multiplayer platforms
verbal junco
would be important to determine that before saying VR wont take off, or else you...
I didn't say VR is on the rise, I said VR might become the next big thing if they resolve the issues they have with VR currently
unreal ether
there is no need to integrate it with the whole crypto craze
foggy path
There's no reason to use blockchain for a shared currency system. Nothing in existing electronic payment systems relies on blockchain, and it functions just fine without the ridiculous computing power requirements of it
verbal junco
15 nfts each worth 100 eth?
verbal junco
I think that's the figure we should be looking at, not how many NFTs were sold
unreal ether
but it's also besides the point that no one wants this tech in games, yet all the big cheeses think we do
verbal junco
but it's also besides the point that no one wants this tech in games, yet all th...
c people think that blockchain will make them money
and it might
thorny dock
Did they though? Or did it take 3 days to hook up to some blockchain implementation lol
verbal junco
Did they though? Or did it take 3 days to hook up to some blockchain implementat...
it's ubisoft, can safely say it took longer than 3 days
unreal ether
tbf tho, i dont think blockchain integration is a simple thing
fathom wadi
its not simple at all
thorny dock
Oh I didn't read into the full details, I didn't realize they made their own currency, I thought they were just hooked into eth or something already existing
verbal junco
of course they made their own currency
unreal ether
and pretty much named it after good ol jeffery
fathom wadi
bear in mind that most game devs don't know how to setup blockchain access means they need to get a specialist to do it, and have them work with game devs, and it's not really been done too many times and usually behind closed doors so theres no documentation to share. It's a pretty heavy task
thorny dock
I would have thought they would be smart enough to take a risk by dipping into something already popular (eth and the other big coins) instead of trying to roll their own lol
verbal junco
and pretty much named it after good ol jeffery
should have called them dahmers
unreal ether
osmeone was just ordering off amazon and thought "oooo what if we replace the b with a t"
mossy nexus
NFTs in games has worked brilliantly so far.
no... not brilliantly.. the other thing...
fathom wadi
speaking of NFTs, I got my blender donut added to Andrew Price's mega donut NFT. #proud
unreal ether
even stalker cancelled their nft idea
fathom wadi
he created an NFT to make money for Blender Foundation. So people sent in their donuts
unreal ether
and theirs was the closest to a decent implementation ive seen
verbal junco
blockchain
unreal ether
all of these indie devs wanting blockchain integrated indie games is stupid imo
fathom wadi
it was a donut made in Blender, he used all the donuts sent in to make a mosaic of a donut using them
fathom wadi
he got a programmer to write a Blender plugin that extracted the donuts from .blend files with a correct camera view and lighting setup, then used another program to create the mosaic
mossy nexus
In years to come some historian will be like "The organisation was fixated on donuts to the extent even pictures of them became valuable, probably some kind of religious or ceremonial thing" ๐
fathom wadi
well he had to fine tune and render the mosaic which took a lot of time
verbal junco
https://youtu.be/Rm3d43HLyTI?t=69 reminded of this
unreal ether
lorash cannot comment now, lorash is an anime
thorny dock
speaking of NFTs, I got my blender donut added to Andrew Price's mega donut NFT....
That's amazing, I thought that was an april fools joke, thats really awesome
unreal ether
๐ ฑ๏ธ ees
verbal junco
you can't just ๐ ฑ๏ธeplace random letters with a ๐ ฑ๏ธ
thorny dock
You are now immortal Marc
okay now im looking it up
I saw the joke on twitter idk if it was real
unreal ether
you can't just ๐
ฑ๏ธeplace random letters with a ๐
ฑ๏ธ
๐ ฑ๏ธes i ๐ ฑ๏ธan
fathom wadi
That's amazing, I thought that was an april fools joke, thats really awesome
my donut ๐
unreal ether
gottem
verbal junco
gg NFT holders
fathom wadi
my donut itself isn't an nft. its just added into one
verbal junco
but that would be too easy
fathom wadi
I donated my time
torpid star
thorny dock
Dude Marc I'm proud for you
unreal ether
just bought this sick new doughnut art ๐
but srlsy that is a nice render good job
looks clean
fathom wadi
thank you that was my first Blender attempt ๐
thorny dock
that is so cool hahaha, you can actually find yours too
torpid star
looks clean
If I were a advertisement character I would eat that donut while dancing to a catchy jingle
verbal junco
something about a lot of people on tv waiting by the phones
thorny dock
is this actually yours? https://andrewprice.art/17731-first-steps/donut/6463
fathom wadi
yep
thorny dock
if I had known about this I would have absolutely done it also, well done man I love it lol
fathom wadi
thank you ๐
foggy path
btw did you hear about the new solution that reduces the electricity costs of blockchain networks?
it's called delegated proof of stake
and it works by... centralizing the proof of stake work to a selected few users
lol
foggy path
I mean NFTs are basically the plots on moon they used to sell
unreal ether
do you think theyve reached the moon yet
verbal junco
meanwhile if you have to do any kind of work on a blockchain, you best have a big enough hard drive to download the entire backlog of transactions from when it started
foggy path
it's just some company that says you now own a plot on the moon congrats
and most of them went out of business ages ago lol
unreal ether
meanwhile if you have to do any kind of work on a blockchain, you best have a bi...
transactions are just words so ez smh
zinc matrix
https://www.quaise.energy/ will take over and we will be able to waste energy mining bitcoins with nvidia liberated hardware
thorny dock
blockchain has some good practical non crypto applications, like insurance claims
foggy path
what possible use does it have in insurance claims
verbal junco
no but see you gotta have blockchain for insurance claims
unreal ether
because obviously you need your car accident nft
thorny dock
to have a record, so one company can't change claim information without the others being aware
verbal junco
bringing more jobs to america
thorny dock
verbal junco
9/11 was bad
fathom wadi
im going to use blockchain for an item crafting system where the owner of the crafted item can sell the items in game to other players. I could do it without but it will help avoid duping and give value on the reproduction side to the owner. So you can technically make money from crafting in game. Hopefully.
thorny dock
okay first of all im not in favor of blockchain anything, just saying that the idea of having a record kept in multiple different places that can't be altered by any one party is not the worst idea
crypto just blew everything out of proportion
unreal cedar
It's also an insanely specific situation.
That has very few uses not better served by something else.
verbal junco
I remember seeing a youtube video about a lady explaining blockchain to different people. like a child, a teenager, an adult, someone within the field and an expert within the field
literally all the answers were the same
foggy path
With its unique encryption and security features, blockchain has the potential to affect and transform many industries.
I love this sentence. Blockchain just changes meaning based on who's writing it
zinc matrix
im going to use blockchain for an item crafting system where the owner of the cr...
have you ever used Blender? i know it is free
verbal junco
That has very few uses not better served by something else.
ah cmon don't take away the only thing blockchain has got ๐ฅฒ
unreal ether
blockchain for item crafting is the most 2022 thing i have heard
fathom wadi
how can you dupe on a blockchain when it auths against all other stored records?
unreal ether
damn you got me there
fathom wadi
have you ever used Blender? i know it is free
I use blender as my main DCC
unreal cedar
smart contract bugs are incredibly common
verbal junco
mobile games do this already
fathom wadi
ill have to look into that
unreal ether
or you could go for the old system that works quite well, ban dupers
zinc matrix
I use blender as my main DCC
DCC = digยทitยทal comยทpact casยทsette ?
unreal ether
detect item creation if needs be
foggy path
But yeah honestly I don't see how that state farm thing somehow is something that blockchain is better for than non-blockchain based solutions
unreal ether
if any is suspiciously quick investigate
fathom wadi
DCC = digยทitยทal comยทpact casยทsette ?
digital content creator
foggy path
the article naturally doesn't explain why blockchain is better than some other solution - most likely because it isn't
unreal ether
its crazy how writing a backend doesnt need blockchain integration
verbal junco
good codeโข๏ธ is too hard
thorny dock
I never said it's better, and I never meant that either, just saying, to my understanding, the concept of blockchain was originally designed for other things besides crypto
unreal ether
the article naturally doesn't explain why blockchain is better than some other s...
b-because b-b-blockhain
verbal junco
it's okay it's blockchain np
zinc matrix
digital content creator
controlled by analog hands? ๐คจ
foggy path
I never said it's better, and I never meant that either, just saying, to my unde...
Yeah that's fair. I guess it's always possible that they used some non ridiculous implementation of it since it's clearly a private system
verbal junco
like that dude who made a 51% attack on eth, so everyone in the eth community agreed to move over to another version of eth
unreal ether
how can you dupe on a blockchain when it auths against all other stored records?
again srsly tho, how is this a better solution than a well written backend, for someone who doesnt know how all this works
verbal junco
again srsly tho, how is this a better solution than a well written backend, for ...
blockchain
unreal cedar
I never said it's better, and I never meant that either, just saying, to my unde...
The problem with using blockchain as a public ledger is that you still have to trust that what was originally entered into the ledger was correct. Blockchain tech only proves the ledger is accurate with respect to itself, it doesn't prove anything about the real world.
It's also why NFTs are dumb
fathom wadi
I dunno im riding the hype wave myself in all honesty. I haven't even started it, but I'm investigating it
verbal junco
> blockchain
torpid star
this actually works and that's sad
verbal junco
pump and dump is alive and well ๐ฅฒ
unreal ether
thats issue no 1, hype trains dont tell you the flaws
verbal junco
thats issue no 1, hype trains dont tell you the flaws
what flaws
foggy path
They did an NFT of the source code of Mosaic or something I think and they HTML encoded it wrong lol
foggy path
it basically had HTML entities like & in it instead of the actual characters lol
unreal ether
it seems to me that a backend for this type of project that can look at item creations, and having a system that flags suspicious ones would be way better
i wouldnt clown it if places acknowledged the flaws of it
but it seems everyone rides the train cause its new, without thinking it's wholly unnecessary
from what it sounds like this is an mmo style game
verbal junco
can't wait for blockchain to bring that feeling of arcades back when business people start to charge cryptocurrency for every time you play a game
unreal cedar
The problem with using blockchain as a public ledger is that you still have to t...
You have to trust the originating entity in some capacity. Blockchain may help with proving that data hasn't changed over time (assuming bad actors don't take over the network, since the distributed nature is not infallible). Which for many (but admittedly not all) proposed uses makes the reliance on blockchain no better than a transparent database maintained by a "trusted" entity. And given that reconciling errors from bad actors is more of a legal matter for something like insurance you lose even more benefits of it all being automated.
unreal ether
so definitely having a backend to handle item creation and store item transactions is going ot be good
verbal junco
but was it blockchain?
unreal ether
that way you can track scammers, as well as give out items to players that lost things, or joined promo events
all without blockchain
:(
verbal junco
that way you can track scammers, as well as give out items to players that lost ...
actually blockchain doesn't prevent scammers, it encourages them
unreal ether
does my roomba game need blockchain
verbal junco
uh yes
unreal ether
actually blockchain doesn't prevent scammers, it encourages them
o wasnt talking about blockchain, i was talking about writing good backend for an mmo style game
unreal cedar
if my roombas are all blocky and i chain them together is that blockchain
unreal ether
which this project clearly is
unreal ether
you have to fuel up the roomba with eth
wanna make a startup?
me n you will blockchain the world
we will mint planets by next year
unreal cedar
if minecraft adds chain-link fences does it become blockchain
fathom wadi
good one ๐
torpid star
this channel is a blockchain
unreal ether
good one ๐
but it definitely sounds like you just need to write a good backend
unreal cedar
hey, I've got a bunch of smart iot stuff that doesn't need to be smart.
but it's all locally controlled through home assistant so i can only blame myself for it being dumb
torpid star
every message is a new link in a linear chain
foggy path
toilet which needs to verify your license before it flushes
verbal junco
gottem
fathom wadi
but it definitely sounds like you just need to write a good backend
well them im screwed as I'm only a half decent programmer :p
unreal ether
if youre only a half decent programmer then youre insane for making an mmo
unless you have lots of funding
verbal junco
if youre only a half decent programmer then youre insane for making an mmo
anyone wanting to make an mmo, programmer or not, is a lost cause
fathom wadi
if youre only a half decent programmer then youre insane for making an mmo
Im working with a team, but currently im setting up base server architecture. A few months down the line I'll have help on the more technical elements
foggy path
Ultima Online ๐ค
verbal junco
but does your heart burn with the desire to create an MMO?
unreal cedar
if youre only a half decent programmer then youre insane for making an mmo
even if you're a damn good programmer you're insane
unreal ether
an mmo would be fun to work on if properly organized i imagine
thorny dock
but the 2FA toilet will save the environment by not letting unauthorized users waste water, and will reduce the amount of courtesy flushes
unreal ether
not unless
unreal cedar
even in the AAA space you're insane for trying to make an MMO.
verbal junco
seeing as this is no longer current, there may be time
unreal cedar
is it just web2.0 with less nfts
unreal ether
its blockchain but upside down
fathom wadi
even in the AAA space you're insane for trying to make an MMO.
yep. This is absolutely swamping my brain with things to think about. Getting the base right is taking forever before any gameplay comes into it
unreal cedar
won't the blocks fall off the chain that way
unreal ether
the nft's mint the blockchain
verbal junco
why use web 4.0 when UE is already 5.0
thorny dock
what is web3 then? web gpu? web2 was google docs
verbal junco
web3 is a bad buzzword that's meaningless
unlike...
blockchain
unreal ether
i dont even get the metaverse
fathom wadi
web3 is Spiderman No Way Home, with all 3 spidermen hanging out
unreal ether
just looks like vr roblox to me
unreal cedar
yeah but if you ask another company it's something entirely different
and still something that was made 15 years ago
verbal junco
just looks like vr roblox to me
welcome to the future of games
good design doesn't sell
torpid star
Facebook ruined the word meta, it used to be a beautiful word
now it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth*
unreal cedar
every proposition for "metaverse" has either been so vague as to be meaningless or has been something done 15 years earlier under a better name
unreal ether
im just so happy that steam banned all blockchain games lol
fathom wadi
Facebook ruined the word meta, it used to be a beautiful word
yeah I'm renaming the small connecting bones on my foot to Facebooktarsals. Taking it back yo
unreal cedar
no it's VC funding where the VCs are actually pitiable people getting grifted
also, there's a reason VCs don't usually fund game studios
unreal ether
is this all to do with facebook meta i mean
thorny dock
From what I gather of twitter, the real web3 is webGPU, and attempts to connect all platforms, cross engine compatibility and such. Or else I agree, metaverse is a fruitless buzzword
verbal junco
no it's VC funding where the VCs are actually pitiable people getting grifted
al...
(because games don't make money unless they are FTP)
fathom wadi
Im from the north of england so meta to me is like saying "i meta in a bar, she was hot AF"
unreal cedar
(because games don't make money unless they are FTP)
Not even that - new game studios aren't a good investment even with F2P. They simply fail way too often and don't get acquired like other areas of tech.
verbal junco
wow okay and here I thought I was broken
thorny dock
Maitrฤซ (Sanskrit; Pali: mettฤ) means benevolence,[1] loving-kindness,[2][3] friendliness,[3][4] amity,[4] good will,[5] and active interest in others.[4] It is the first of the four sublime states (Brahmaviharas) and one of the ten pฤramฤซs of the Theravฤda school of Buddhism.
unreal ether
yo guys i just crafted some facebookl ingots
verbal junco
Not even that - new game studios aren't a good investment even with F2P. They s...
it's going to be a few years but I reckon we'll see a decline in the games industry as a whole
thorny dock
Meta is a buddhist/sanskrit term for benevolence and loving kindness
verbal junco
perpendicular and parallel to the metaverse, obviously
unreal cedar
Meta is an actual word in english.
unreal ether
paraverse is for parachutes, and the former is for othodontists
unreal cedar
And now a bad name for a bad company
verbal junco
Meta is a buddhist/sanskrit term for benevolence and loving kindness
yeah that's not where the english root comes from though
thorny dock
Very bad name, can't make new meta jokes in mobas anymore
verbal junco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylene
I read this as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixrje2rXLMA
fathom wadi
im going to eat some meta-meat. AKA hotdogs. have fun ๐
thorny dock
Meta Meaty Mondays down at Meta Hutt Jr!
unreal ether
Meta the Hutt
torpid star
I left my wallet in el-silicon valley
verbal junco
so like, a MMO quest
torpid star
meatquest when?
verbal junco
kill 10 wild boars
thorny dock
so what quest do I need to complete before purchasing a meta quest from meta?
verbal junco
each wild boar is a quest
torpid star
so what quest do I need to complete before purchasing a meta quest from meta?
account creation
and not getting banned
verbal junco
it costs 0.01 eth to undertake the quest
thorny dock
hahaha thats actually true
torpid star
it's a great piece of hardware
thorny dock
It is a great piece of hardware, and I don't think you actually need a facebook account
verbal junco
I've given up on buying things
thorny dock
When I set mine up it looked like you can just make a oculus account and get in, and even to the store
torpid star
I've given up on buying things
so you're the one that's been stealing my groceries
scarlet cedar
Good morning friends
verbal junco
so you're the one that's been stealing my groceries
well no I don't live in the ukraine
verbal junco
I prefer MarkJIGUANA
is that a pronoun
torpid star
yesn't
thorny dock
well you need an epic account to use unreal engine, I'm saying you dont need to make a social media account. Also it's been officially announced that they are working on ways to not need a facebook account, that was 2021 so I think they deployed that now
torpid star
well you need an epic account to use unreal engine, I'm saying you dont need to ...
do you actually?
thorny dock
yes it's stupid, no it's not a requirement
torpid star
I actually signed up way back (back when UE cost money) so I got one of them nice names on EGS.
thorny dock
like I said, when I set up mine, you only need a email and password for oculus to access the store and online stuff for the quest
torpid star
I come back every once in a while and see that a bunch of people have added me
verbal junco
I actually signed up way back (back when UE cost money) so I got one of them nic...
I did as well. how is the name different?
verbal junco
oh like your actual name
torpid star
yeah
verbal junco
I thought you meant like it had a special color or whatever
torpid star
u can do that?
torpid star
ah, nah. Just a 5 character username :P
thick belfry
I never trust people whose usernames are just their own name
verbal junco
wait what, salt and sanctuary got a sequel called salt and sacrifice?! and it's out?! and nobody told me?!
unreal cedar
you just told you
fathom wadi
I never trust people whose usernames are just their own name
cheers.
torpid star
I thought that was what you implied
u got me reminiscing about quake names
https://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7760
when people put a bunch of garbage in their names, looked good in game but terrible on steam
verbal junco
we should also stop shortening the word "nickname". I much prefer calling them "nicholasnames"
fathom wadi
I chose to use my real name so people could actually trust me more. This way I care about how im repesenting myself and my business ๐ฆ
foggy path
we should call them ฮฮนฮบฯฮปฮฑฮฟฯnames
unreal cedar
we should also stop shortening the word "nickname". I much prefer calling them "...
I thought it was nickelodeonnames
thick belfry
I thought you were the head of a university in the US
I wish
torpid star
I chose to use my real name so people could actually trust me more. This way I c...
yeah that's why I've started using my actual IRL picture
fathom wadi
thats not my business. Im working with people whose business it is though. Im a self-employed unreal developer
unreal cedar
yeah that's why I've started using my actual IRL picture
on the internet no one knows you're a toddler
but everyone assumes it anyway
torpid star
don't tell anyone, thanks.
thick belfry
I pretended I was older when I was 12
torpid star
who didn't? :D
foggy path
People thought I was older when I was around that age because I had a deeper voice than most :P
thick belfry
On a forum I was on
verbal junco
wait, you mean you aren't?!
torpid star
who are you again?
unreal cedar
I always knew you were really an anime
thorny dock
Twitter
verbal junco
one entire anime
unreal cedar
at least one anime
thorny dock
wow yes that did ๐
verbal junco
so shitstorms have been upgraded to firestorms
unreal cedar
how to ruin your brand image in one simple step
torpid star
zzz
5950x
verbal junco
I think we got a dude in this discord from T17
unreal cedar
"Why" lol
there was never any value in it in the first place
thorny dock
wallstreetbets has actually had a ripple in society
verbal junco
I wish I could make a NFT I could cash in on that easy
all the meme people did the same
sold NFTs of themselves
timber viper
I wish I could make a NFT I could cash in on that easy
Your profile picture would be a good NFT tbh
verbal junco
Your profile picture would be a good NFT tbh
make it so but give me 20% and it's a deal
fathom wadi
"Why" lol
there was never any value in it in the first place
technically there was because someone paid 2.9mil. But its all faith based. Faith that you can resell it later. Same as stock trading really
thick belfry
I wish I could make a NFT I could cash in on that easy
You could've if you got into the pyramid early
deep glen
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2022/04/14/why-jack-dorseys-first-tweet...
link on that page:
https://i.gyazo.com/d17ac2b9d480ea65f4215d4eb9c38973.png
thorny dock
to cash in on what? selling your nft for 80k usd and buying it under a different account for 85k?
deep glen
that is like the dumbest fricking title ever.
thick belfry
link on that page:
https://i.gyazo.com/d17ac2b9d480ea65f4215d4eb9c38973.png
I can think of more than 6
unreal cedar
technically there was because someone paid 2.9mil. But its all faith based. Fait...
the value was the person initially buying it. Once they bought it, there was no more value ๐
verbal junco
it's almost like NFTs are a scam
thorny dock
i thought a study showd something like 90% of NFT profits falsely inflated
NFTs are a good investment
unreal cedar
it's a lot of small pyramid schemes
thorny dock
- Butters, South Park
verbal junco
NFTs are a good investment
unreal cedar
it's a great investment if you have no morals and got in early
thorny dock
Got in early being you spent $5 on bitcoin in 2003 and now have 5 billion
torpid star
thick belfry
it's almost like NFTs are a scam
You must not understand them then. Discussion closed.
verbal junco
I hope the other lorash is getting some profit from this
torpid star
thorny dock
Just throwing it out there that nobody has scanned and sold their naked body as a NFT, so if someone here is looking to cash in and be the next big thing your welcome
mossy nexus
So this happened, legit showed the original to a friend.
thick belfry
So this happened, legit showed the original to a friend.
Took me a few seconds damn
fathom wadi
they are always hiring
unreal cedar
you know who else is hiring?
verbal junco
I can offer you a better deal if you're an AI programmer
unreal cedar
other companies
verbal junco
or an AI progamer
unreal cedar
you're not wrong
mossy nexus
I'm hiring. I'm paying literal peanuts though.
torpid star
if you wanna get paid go for work for the facebook VR/AR divisions
thorny dock
I'm hiring. I'm paying literal peanuts though.
salted or unsalted?
torpid star
become one with the zuck
unreal cedar
I'll take some peanuts but the only work you'll get out of me is this cookie ๐ช
verbal junco
I'm hiring. I'm paying literal peanuts though.
hope that is the peanut cryptocurrency
mossy nexus
I reckon a couple of pounds of peanuts a day sounds about right
unreal cedar
shit, who tf is paying that
fathom wadi
im hiring for my stable of whores. Looking for hotties only.
unreal cedar
oh wait
timber viper
I dont know why but whole industry seems like hiring programmers
unreal cedar
i misread that, that's impressively bad
verbal junco
lmao I hope that's not real
fathom wadi
well thats a good thing as they used to be called Team 7 so the pay has gone up
verbal junco
who hurt you Lorash
verbal junco
I dont know why but whole industry seems like hiring programmers
there's never enough programmers
mossy nexus
im hiring for my stable of whores. Looking for hotties only.
are you just looking for any old nag, or do they specifically need to be stable?
timber viper
there's never enough programmers
Everyone is hiring though
fathom wadi
I dunno. Just starting out in the pimp game
charred sleet
o.o
verbal junco
*Everyone* is hiring though
never enough
unreal cedar
I'm not even senior level and I make a magnitude more than that. I wouldn't even so much as think about a company paying that low. That's legit impressive(ly bad).
verbal junco
also with the great resignation
timber viper
I saw some quite nice offers tbf
verbal junco
I'm not even senior level and I make a magnitude more than that. I wouldn't even...
well if you're in the US it's different
fathom wadi
I've wanted to work for Team 17 for many years but they keep making crap games I dont want to work on
timber viper
lmao
verbal junco
not saying 19k is valid for senior, or really, programmers at any level
timber viper
Do you even still do unity
mossy nexus
I dunno. Just starting out in the pimp game
You want out of that racket. I hear there are many new opportunities supplying things to people.
thorny dock
Why not just apply and ask your normal price once you get to the interview?
torpid star
can't wait for this to fail (which it will)
fathom wadi
can't wait for this to fail (which it will)
welcome to UE5
verbal junco
Make kid IDE great again
you're asking for bully now ๐
unreal cedar
well if you're in the US it's different
It is, but it isn't. Even my equivalent UK salary at the same place I currently work would be so far out of that league as to make it look ridiculous.
torpid star
welcome to UE5
I'm making physx work again so I welcome the challenge
timber viper
you're asking for bully now ๐
verbal junco
It is, but it isn't. Even my equivalent UK salary at the same place I currently ...
ballpark?
fathom wadi
ugh why? why do you disease the UE5 build :p
verbal junco
if I may ask
verbal junco
3 ballparks
sounds like the US alright
verbal junco
handegg*
unreal cedar
gridiron*
verbal junco
fine
torpid star
porting my game to UE5, which relies on some physx nuances. I'll get a initial version working under physx and then move on to chaos when I have some more time.
thorny dock
I've been waiting for the Work to Earn jobs drop, where you get paid in the crypto you help create
ocean parcel
is blender 3.1.2 safe?
fathom wadi
well the good thing is UE5 is setup for modular physics so it shouldn't be too hard to re-apply it
timber viper
Well BattleToad said they are hiring for multiple times ๐
charred sleet
oh
verbal junco
whos team 17
the team after team16, before team18
torpid star
Well BattleToad said they are hiring for multiple times ๐
oh are they?
foggy path
whos team 17
Yeah this is a good way to show how young you are
thorny dock
is blender 3.1.2 safe?
only if you lock your doors at night
timber viper
oh are they?
Yeah, a few weeks or a month ago
ocean parcel
who?
charred sleet
> whos team 17
Yeah this is a good way to show how young you are <:alex:33004426...
i'm probably older than you tbh x3
ocean parcel
actually goodpoint i'm in a blender discord somewhere.
ocean parcel
only if you lock your doors at night
lol!
foggy path
@charred sleet I doubt it considering you just used x3 lol
charred sleet
foggy path
I doubt it because you just used x3
fathom wadi
My cover letter is a ยฃ20 note
timber viper
Isnt this something very standard though
torpid star
well the good thing is UE5 is setup for modular physics so it shouldn't be too h...
it is, some modules won't work but I'll swallow that pill when I get to it. I also had to port over some of my custom shading models over to UE5. Not too much has changed in terms of shading, but they are moving all the shading models to Strata (unified shading, mix and mash shading models on a whim)
so that won't last too long :(
mossy nexus
Yeah Cover letters are a thing.
timber viper
I'm older than you <@286140789304721417>
Wow are you that old
fathom wadi
it is, some modules won't work but I'll swallow that pill when I get to it. I al...
I wonder if that will lead to implementation of OSL ๐ฎ
verbal junco
At least 3 times what Team17 is offering, just as base pay.
for an intermediate position on the west coast?
timber viper
Ok this one was funny ๐
mossy nexus
CE is a youngster
charred sleet
I never knew how active the louge was
verbal junco
I turn 14 this year ๐
fathom wadi
I receive hundreds of CVs a week because I steal the mail using my gang of hardened criminals
foggy path
I was looking at some jobs that are available and none of it sounded very interesting... if I need to get a new job at some point I'm probably just gonna see who offers me the most money and take that because nothing out there seems to interest me that much lately :p
unreal cedar
for an intermediate position on the west coast?
For US west coast? No. 150k USD ballpark for my position. I thought you meant in terms of the UK.
mossy nexus
anyone younger than me I am officially allowed to call a youngster. In fact it's enforceable.
timber viper
Uncle CE
torpid star
I wonder if that will lead to implementation of OSL ๐ฎ
OSL ?
charred sleet
hes not ready for unreal endgame
zinc matrix
that is like the dumbest fricking title ever.
well its jack dorsey. the biggest radical liberal moron who also happens to be a CEO
verbal junco
For US west coast? No. 150k USD ballpark for my position. I thought you meant in...
ah I see, so you did the conversion already. that's still really high, especially for a non senior position. but fair enough if you're getting that
unreal cedar
ah I see, so you did the conversion already. that's still really high, especiall...
It's absolutely high for the game industry, I agree.
zinc matrix
well its jack dorsey. the biggest radical liberal moron who also happens to be a...
hold up i believe i misread taht
timber viper
Like they contact you first?
foggy path
I guess that rules out game industry from something I'd want to work in because after almost 20 years in the software dev field I'd like to start filling up my savings some more lol
unreal cedar
Work for the right companies and you get nonstop spam on linkedin. And sometimes it leads to something.
timber viper
Real question is would you be keen to work at jetbrains if they would contact you though
mossy nexus
I receive hundreds of CVs a week because I steal the mail using my gang of harde...
I read that as 'Hard earned criminals'
fathom wadi
My linkedin spam is about 2 a day on average but I've always worked self employed and don't even have my portfolio online. I still end up finding work tho without it
verbal junco
if they have HQ in the czech republic I can't imagine them paying well
but what do I know
unreal cedar
I read that as 'Hard earned criminals'
who says they aren't
foggy path
I get next to no recruiter spam on linkedin even though I have a fancy title at my current position :(
mossy nexus
Work for the right companies and you get nonstop spam on linkedin. And sometimes...
and we all enjoy a little something something
foggy path
all the recruiter spam I get are companies who want to recruit for me
torpid star
me too
unreal cedar
recruiter spam, obviously
verbal junco
for recruiters to spam you
mossy nexus
I'm in LinkedOut
timber viper
You guys are flexing now ๐ฅฒ
verbal junco
You guys are flexing now ๐ฅฒ
flexing would be posting my salary
torpid star
not really, everyone is hiring for every role
fathom wadi
I had a rep from Hi-Rez studios message me on linkedin the other day saying "You've been working self-employed for some time now and we were wondering if you were looking to get hired" and I was like "this bitch is stalking me" ๐
torpid star
even juniors can get a nice job
unreal cedar
that's not web3.0 of you
timber viper
flexing would be posting my salary
How much kebab can u eat with your daily
mossy nexus
I'd love to flex. Bones however have over ruled that happening ๐
unreal cedar
damn I could go for a good kebab right now
charred sleet
o.o;
zinc matrix
i literally never get game dev spam fml lmao
fathom wadi
I worked my nuts off for 20 years and still haven't got any money. Hard work is over-rated.
timber viper
get higher salaries
or live in Turkey eat get cheap kebab
verbal junco
same, it's weird. and I think nothing of it. as if it was given to me. but it was a hard journey when I think back
torpid star
so did I. :)
zinc matrix
its always sh!t i dont care about or dont have any business dealing with
mossy nexus
There are kebabs and there are kebabs
charred sleet
you guys are fun x3
charred sleet
I'm gonna get back to work
timber viper
lmaoo
fathom wadi
there are also Kerb Abs. Which are really strong bricks at the side of roads.
unreal cedar
I interned working on drivers at one point, haven't gotten any spam about that
verbal junco
I mean I get offers ranging anywhere from programming positions to art lead positions
mossy nexus
Sooooo A Logistics Manager then?
zinc matrix
what do you guys even do
timber viper
Stop flexing 
fathom wadi
I quit PHP development around 15 years ago and I still get web job offers.
zinc matrix
to get these job spam
verbal junco
I mean I get offers ranging anywhere from programming positions to art lead posi...
to be clear I have no experience with either
unreal cedar
damn I haven't gotten that mis-targeted. I do get a lot of offers about cloud jobs that has nothing to do with my engineering experience though
mossy nexus
Yarp I know.. I was trying to carry on the joke.. me fail.. ๐
zinc matrix
theres literally nothing engineerign or game related whereim at xD
verbal junco
at least 1
unreal cedar
maybe 2
fathom wadi
I've changed careers 3 times now. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I didn't get bored
ocean parcel
I've changed careers 3 times now. I sometimes wonder what would have happened i...
what careers were they
or is that personal?
zinc matrix
you guys are having careers?
fathom wadi
network engineering/teaching, web development and games development
ocean parcel
oooh nice!
ocean parcel
you guys are having careers?
not me
unreal cedar
no he's engineering networks to teach
fathom wadi
no I was teaching general IT as a learning support tutor
mossy nexus
No no, teaching networks to engineer!
fathom wadi
I worked with people with learning difficulties and helped them where they needed it
zinc matrix
No no, teaching networks to engineer!
...you're hilarious.
verbal junco
had to do a double take on the name ๐
unreal cedar
it took me a second but thankfully I'm used to the pfp now
mossy nexus
...you're hilarious.
No, that would be mountains.
unreal cedar
oi that's not a coroutine
verbal junco
oi mate
unreal cedar
co_await Latent::Meow()
written in rider ofc
foggy path
Promise.resolve()
torpid star
stop that
verbal junco
I get the feelling that ๐ is the new ๐ต
zinc matrix
i dont get why unity has this freaking green progress bar on every reload
and a "safe mode" for when your project is broken on start up
like what kind of moron do you think i am unity? that i cant debug my own code/
torpid star
I challenge you, Truck Driver.
fathom wadi
I don't get why visual studio pretends it's a studio when it's just a notepad and compiler in reality :p
verbal junco
oh right truck kun is a thing
unreal cedar
I don't get why visual studio pretends it's a studio when it's just a notepad an...
there's a bitmap editor in there somewhere, that makes it an art studio
torpid star
We already lost one Lorash!
verbal junco
is that the driver or the truck crashing ๐ค
mossy nexus
I don't get why visual studio pretends it's a studio when it's just a notepad an...
You have to visualise the studio.
fathom wadi
there's a bitmap editor in there somewhere, that makes it an art studio
its on my bucketlist to learn something else in VS one day.
zinc matrix
siooo
zinc matrix
apparently i said to my coworker recently "why do all the cuties come in when you're up front?" and i found out today that after the particular gal left, and i clocked out that night she came back and asked about me lmao
verbal junco
fathom wadi
apparently i said to my coworker recently "why do all the cuties come in when yo...
wait a year then charge her with a historic sexual offence
torpid star
PSA: I recently learned this button shows you where currently opened file is located in the solution explorer.
zinc matrix
wait a year then charge her with a historic sexual offence
...what?
fathom wadi
i dunno im bored
verbal junco
#neverforget
zinc matrix
i dunno im bored
offense*
fathom wadi
a fence?
unreal cedar
lol
torpid star
@ionic flame hi
unreal cedar
I'll have you know I have that method working just fine as a coroutine without crashing
verbal junco
about this much (----) (not to scale)
fathom wadi
as holy as jesus' hands
timber viper
๐ฆ
verbal junco
really? lol
verbal junco
lol
verbal junco
let it gooooooo
I don't have a musical bone in my body so please read that in off key, thanks
unreal cedar
you've shattered my imaginary ears, thanks
verbal junco
I try ๐
thorny dock
https://tenor.com/view/thanks-thank-tanks-a-lot-thank-you-coinkit-gif-17318720
jib jab was the shit back in the day
unreal cedar
it's at least 1 effort
thorny dock
how much eth can I buy with 1 effort?
burnt lake
foggy path
thorny dock
https://tenor.com/view/19dollar-fortnite-card-among-us-amogus-sus-red-among-sus-...
this looks like the animated character in a n64 era tutorial dialogue window
something about it looks familiar to me, hope it's not from some shit meme lol
foggy path
thorny dock
they need to whiten the reflections on the teeth of that first picture
verbal junco
I like that they censored the ankles, truly the epitomy of sexual imagery
verbal junco
I was trying to find a really cursed amogus
you're welcome
thorny dock
I was about to ping mods if the ankles weren't censored
foggy path
timber viper
I was about to ping mods if the ankles weren't censored
You would like to be here yesterday then
verbal junco
don't encourage the horny in the channel
foggy path
lol
unreal cedar
but then i wouldn't be half-problematic
from a distance the wheels look like they're part of the eyes
verbal junco
the dream is to have a cat so docile you can just "put" it somewhere
foggy path
I found a ricardo amogus but it might be a bit too spicy
verbal junco
I found a ricardo amogus but it might be a bit too spicy
x3
unreal cedar
fine, I've done it
thorny dock
change your default background
pending an update, but you need TMP2.0 to get into heaven
hahaha so you only needed it enabled to INSTALL windows 11, it wasn't an actual requirement๐
foggy path
my pc is not windows 11 compatible according to windows update
probably that security module thing that's missing because of dated mobo
foggy path
Lol really now, my CPU isn't supported are you kidding
unreal cedar
sure, but it's not a bad thing to have one. And even if it was a hard requirement as it's made out to be most CPUs going back a decade support on-chip/virtual tpm.
foggy path
Good thing I'm not interested in upgrading to it any time soon anyway :P
verbal junco
thanks for the assist ๐
thorny dock
git gud --force
fathom wadi
in the UK a git is someone who is a bit of a dick
fathom wadi
*most of the time
foggy path
also the windows update control panel page says "get pc health check app" to see why I can't upgrade to windows 11....and this takes me to a web page that tells me how to use pc health check instead of I don't know launching pc health check
:P
fathom wadi
yeah we are relevant in sending refugees to Rwanda illegally right now
verbal junco
also the windows update control panel page says "get pc health check app" to see...
wait you expected microsoft support pages to be helpful? the innocence
fathom wadi
seriously the Tories are psychopaths
foggy path
@verbal junco well I mean usually if you click a thing that says use this other app in windows it tends to launch that other app lol
thorny dock
have you ever stopped to think for a second that maybe more people don't know how to launch something from the start menu then do ๐
fathom wadi
I check the news everyday because I hate the world and I need to understand why in order to validate my opinion
thorny dock
probably why they tried to remove the start menu in windows 8 and needed to bring it back in 8.1 or whatever it was
fathom wadi
I've been reading code in this Lyra project for the past 2 hours and I'm still as confused as when I first looked at it. It's like everything is different
timber viper
Lyra* now
fathom wadi
yeah its like a modular setup, but its so modular you can't tell what works with what and where
timber viper
I cant
thorny dock
And when you PIE lyra it downloads 4 more modules at runtime (/s)
timber viper
You are right
verbal junco
lyra is shootergame's new... identity? ๐ค
torpid star
the thing that makes Lyra impressive is the "Exit from PIE" thing
that's what stood out to me
peak quality
verbal junco
the thing that makes Lyra impressive is the "Exit from PIE" thing
UE5 continues to innovate
foggy path
Oh the one where it defaults to setting it to shift-esc? :P
thorny dock
I thought that was strange, I thought you could always check if the editor is running in the game
from bp and C++
foggy path
I'm making an fps and I thought there might be something interesting in Lyra to look at
...but no
verbal junco
I was literally waiting for that
timber viper
I should have practiced* more near u to understand framework easier lol
m o d u l a r
foggy path
Lyrash
torpid star
replace the lyra character with a poop emoji and become twitch's top #1 game for a week
it will
verbal junco
this is what the mayan calendar was all about yo
fathom wadi
it has to be a Niagara poop tho so piece of fecal matter fly off when you shoot it
torpid star
I have to give credit where credit is do, Lorash came up with the emoji's.
Flashback: In the not so distant past you made a emoji plugin
verbal junco
I now want to make a story about a person who can see into the future, but only for obnoxious details
thorny dock
but what is the exchange rate for beatcoin -> meatcoin?
timber viper
๐ฅถ
thorny dock
well the Chinese invented the new crypto that is storage based instead of GPU based
verbal junco
verbal junco
is the doge meme a NFT of the real dog represented?