lounge

[quasi mantle]

Be like me
Use polyline tool in CorelDRAW, draw straight lines, curve it later

(I never able to get used to Adobe Illustrator)

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-heist-gif-23353762

[unreal ether]

i like illustrator, but im too broke for adobe atm

[solid hull]

https://giphy.com/gifs/paul-comment-ron-5mBE2MiMVFITS

[unreal ether]

so photopea's vector tools shall do

[timber viper]

For interested people, looks like studio really offers nice opportunities

[quasi mantle]

Do they offer relocation assistance?

[celest musk]

they don't even have an address on that website?!

[thick belfry]

It is legit, I found out because I had an interview today for game design college and I decided to look up one of the interviewers on LinkedIn and he is apparently hiring for the studio

[timber viper]

Can I just visit to drink that awesome coffee

[celest musk]

^

every coffee i tried was awful

[timber viper]

Yeah, I barely can list a few coffees that are not awful

[thick belfry]

I've never had coffee in my life

I like the smell but it's not an appetising smell for me

I like how perfume smells but I would never drink perfume

If that makes sense

[celest musk]

maybe it reminds of being a child getting to breakfast

[timber viper]

I see you are not overworking

[thick belfry]

If you've never drank coffee you don't know any different

[fleet tangle]

I love coffee flavour

[deep copper]

how did the interview go@thick belfry

[deep copper]

i like the smell

[thick belfry]

It went really well I think

I got a good feeling about it

[deep copper]

that's nice that's nice

hope it goes well!

[ocean parcel]

is that lara crane the tomb spader?

[thick belfry]

They just asked about some practical stuff and explained its a heavy program so you can't work too much next to it

And then after like 5 mins they were like we have enough info

[soft night]

the Llassic Lara Croft

[thick belfry]

Hadn't even seen the presentation yet

I still showed them

But they seemed positive about my application and game I made

They also remembered me from the orientation day so that might be a good sign

[torn valley]

Love how Epic Games whole deal is "FREE STUFF GO" and it has made the lives of developers everywhere much easier

[timber viper]

What role you applied to?

[thick belfry]

I applied to study game design

[timber viper]

So they will educate you?

or some sort of internship?

[thick belfry]

Yes, it's a university of applied sciences

But the program is built like real production so you'll be making multiple projects over the course of 3 years

And then do a 1 year internship (or you can do a large project in a team)

[deep copper]

that's good

[thick belfry]

Well yeah I spent days editing I wasn't gonna let that go to waste

[deep copper]

that's the best thing you did, it's way better than regretting not showing it later

[timber viper]

I hope you get a good place in the industry after your education 🦾

[thick belfry]

Thanks, I'm optimistic about it

[celest musk]

i kind of have the feeling that the industry already reached peak point

unreal/unity is available for a large audience, getting into game dev hasn't been easier anytime

[deep copper]

there's always a new saturation point

[celest musk]

i'm not seeing this until they can address a new sense

e.g.: some kind of feel/smell/taste stuff

[deep copper]

i really can't wait for that

[celest musk]

and that's more interesting for the kind of games we don't talk about here

unless you want to feel how it feels like to get shoot in the chest 😄

[thick belfry]

There's always more games to be made

[deep copper]

that might also become a thing you know

[thick belfry]

Even if its nothing groundbreaking, there's always a need for new entertainment

It can be more difficult to stand out yeah

But I don't see the actual market need decreasing any time soon

Just more supply

[celest musk]

there's plenty of supply

[deep copper]

with overpopulation hopefully the market stays huge

[celest musk]

i think it's already hard for devs to make outstanding games

if i look at steam market there's rather too much than too few games

[thick belfry]

A good thing about such a big market size is that you can be reliably profitable if you're able to work a specific niche

If you're not looking to become a millionaire

You can make a good living

[celest musk]

no you can't

[pearl elk]

Not sure difficulty is the deciding factor, Id say money has more to do with it

[celest musk]

money to buy knowledge and experience? 😄

[pearl elk]

money to buy time

[deep copper]

assets maybe

:P

[celest musk]

i bought enough assets to not bother with bought assets anymore...

[pearl elk]

everyone is in such a rush but outstanding content takes time

[celest musk]

indeed^

[deep copper]

hopefully those don't get outdated when new senses come

[thick belfry]

https://youtu.be/stxVBJem3Rs

I mean like any business you'll still need to deliver competent products

But there's a living to be made with niche games

[deep copper]

for every successful business , there are plenty unsuccessful ones around

[thick belfry]

Ofcourse that's the risk

And luck always plays a part too

If you don't wanna do that you can always work for a company

[pearl elk]

its easy to say oh we knocked this up in a few months but if you look deeper theres alot of time spent even before they got started, whether its an existing IP or some other sort of preproduction process

[deep copper]

technically ue5 took years to make so the tool you are using is already very high time spent one

[pearl elk]

Its quite common for book series to be adapted, pen and paper games or table top. It gives a pretty big head start in terms of product development, you dont have to start from dot, you know like knowing youre going to make a Matrix demo sets alot of ground work

[deep copper]

yup

[pearl elk]

Id say its difficult to make new IPs which really resonate, the game or other content is the easier part 😛

competing against Superman who is like what 100 years old or somethin

[deep copper]

i hope it's not too late to ssk what exactly is IP in this context

ask*

[pearl elk]

Intellectual Property

[deep copper]

ah makes sense

i accidentally hit video call on you, scared me for a sec, then discord was like "give me camera and mic perms first"

[pearl elk]

Im not that scary am I 😛

[deep copper]

no, you are definitely lovely, but sudden video call is lmao

[pearl elk]

I was watching a horror anthology last few days called DarkNet, pretty twisted stuff

[deep copper]

what in the world did you see

[pearl elk]

I do think Steam has some problems with discoverability, infact most platforms do even Netflix

you'll notice the most watched things on Netflix are everything they put up the top, wonder how that happened

[deep copper]

marketing and money involved ig

same for any store actually

[pearl elk]

the suggestions are limited to your interactions with that particular platform, so say on Steam I only play Farming Simulator it thinks I want to play simulator games but in actual fact I play more RTS games on say EGS for eg

we obviously dont want one company running all our data in the way FB etc try to so theres an inherent flaw in how those platforms function

[deep copper]

that's true

yt is quite bad at it as well, random weird recommends because of one wierd thing

wait are farming simulators that good?

if it's realtime that would be troublesome

[pearl elk]

Ive never actually played it, just an example

[deep copper]

ah right right

[pearl elk]

Another one Ive considered too though is the change in taste, I like FPS, I like RTS or even Action Adventure but depending on my mood you might catch me at the wrong time. Its most apparent with children, we never think when collecting that data that maybe after having seen all those cartoons maybe we grew out of them at some point but the data is usually interpreted more literally. You watched X amount of cartoons therefore you will forever like cartoons

[deep copper]

xD yup

[pearl elk]

I think the idea of most marketing is just to push the content irrespective of whether it fits the requirements or not

[deep copper]

tastes change a lot quickly than we expect, and sometimes interests get affected by these platforms as well, if they don't show us everything, we may not ever actually see anything else

[pearl elk]

trouble is people get desensitised or it just gets annoying and they disengage with your company

[deep copper]

most definitely

[thick belfry]

Probably the best simulator game out there

I'm not much of a player myself

But the new game has a lot of cool features added

They know how to design simulators

It's really cool to see how they translate real life stuff to game mechanics

While staying true to the action

[deep copper]

yeah, you basically grow with those that accept your schemes or die, and without great alternatives, people often don't have a choice. and the alts that DO popup follow the other often, because "that works so let's follow them"

[raw phoenix]

Well bois, now that UE5 is out. Now it's time to wait for all of the plugins and assets to get updated to UE5. lol

[deep copper]

but, realtime farming sounds, irritating?

[thick belfry]

I mean ee humans have been doing it ever since civilization

I'm sure there's some aspect in the human psyche that wants to farm

[pearl elk]

Theres certainly content out there that makes a splash because its solid content but theres also alot there just to distract you.

[deep copper]

well, if I don't have to deal with insects, perhaps

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/shopoing-trolley-lol-gif-12948938
me and the homies hitting Epic Mega store

[thick belfry]

https://youtu.be/laIXYT9cdCQ

[deep copper]

hey is this the one where you stole tanks

steal*

[zinc matrix]

stalen't

[pearl elk]

they just know their audience and do a great job on focusing on that, can be all it takes to stand out

[deep copper]

"epic mega" sounds so weird without context

[pearl elk]

I mean if you look at Halo its not really that imaginative, it just managed to hit all the right notes at the right time

[zinc matrix]

i got so much new stuff it feels nice

[deep copper]

sometimes a mediocre thing with mediocre execution nis good enough, if it doesn't have enough downsides to make people walk away ig

[thick belfry]

Farming simulator dev also understands this hehe

[deep copper]

and with marketing stuff, it reaches enough people

if they don't walk away, they stay

[deep copper]

but will you use it?

[zinc matrix]

i have many friends that play farming sim for long time like years, they really like it. there also stoners maybe there is some corellation

[deep copper]

yeah i suppose, it's unique

[pearl elk]

yeah I think people have a tendency to scope themselves out of a project, you dont have to make the biggest thing since sliced bread on the first go

its very easy to do though with the type of hype something like UE5 generates, omg looks amazeballs anyone can do it easy

while they gloss over the hard parts like coming up with a decent story, screenplay etc

[deep copper]

yeah, hype is very important, wait is this why some game companies switched to ue5 early? to jump on the hype train when they release something? "made in ue5"

[pearl elk]

well The Coalition and Ninja Theory have a history of using UE so it made sense for them especially with MS backing them

MS is actually in an interesting position with all the technology they have available to them now

[thick belfry]

I doubt it means that much for mainstream gaming audience

But there's always some marketing opportunity if you use the newest tech

[pearl elk]

Thing is though using new tech doesnt always benefit you, Cyberpunk 2077 had raytracing buzz but that didnt really help

BF2042 is using the latest in DICE tech too but you wouldnt know it lol

I think for larger developers they consider technical debt of their current tech vs whichever engine they are looking to use so its not just a pure feature comparison

[thick belfry]

https://youtu.be/olXpKZ0po8g

Lol

[deep copper]

hmm yeah, new tech also adds tons of complexity

and risk

[pearl elk]

well its in Epics best interest to advertise it in a way which puts their tech in the best light

There are weaknesses there, Ive seen it with some UE4 games they are very resource hungry and even after alot of optimisation they still dont run the best. Obviously thats not all on the engine but its not as easy and wonderful as the marketing makes out since alot of that is just trailers

[zinc matrix]

You got that right

[zinc matrix]

GTA?

[median wraith]

Man I broke the engine on first use

Someone tested this ? On my end is working real bad

[zinc matrix]

Sorry to hear

[pearl elk]

Hevedy Im worried about you mate

[quasi mantle]

GTA 6

[pearl elk]

Im worried about what would happen if you were to ever drive a real car since you always manage to break em in games 😛

[zinc matrix]

Lol, battle medics, screw healing your team, just go crusader's crossbow and ubersaw toward an enemy sniper, right?

[median wraith]

Getting 5 seconds freezes when World Partition fires on a SSD Nv2

30FPS to 5 FPS when rotate the camera

and constant 29FPS

[deep copper]

well i guess, "reality is often disappointing"

[deep copper]

metal metal metal

[pearl elk]

yeah Im just abit concerned it'll be the same for UE5

[cursive crypt]

Good morning... I have been telling stories about WP since weeks.

On other hand, most annoying turns out to be that I can't save Camera bookmarks :/

[deep copper]

then , waiting for 5.4 it is

[cursive crypt]

... I just realised, UE5 is released on the 5th day.

[deep copper]

❤️

[fathom wadi]

Those tech talks were amazing

[deep copper]

as amazing as you?

[fathom wadi]

not quite but then I am exceptional

https://tenor.com/view/michael-fassbender-magneto-cherik-erik-lehnsherr-exceptional-gif-5429218

[verbal junco]

of the 4th month 😔

[cursive crypt]

Because UE4

It is only proper.

[deep copper]

of the 2022 year

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... I can sense what a mess will be the Snippets going to be.

There is no feedback on them.

[fathom wadi]

so many people in voice chat and half of them are muted and deafened 😄

[cursive crypt]

I can't imagine the noise.

40 ppl talking, the other 6 just muted their speakers.

[pearl elk]

some really cool techniques used aye

[fathom wadi]

yeah Ryobg. I joined before the stream and it was getting messy, so I left and watched the stream instead 😄

[deep copper]

push to talk shows as muted too right?

[fathom wadi]

nope

[deep copper]

ohh

well they are still in it, i bet they are having a real fun time

there were near 50 people in it before, rn it's at 44 or something

[cursive crypt]

Aww... there is new cool logo while loading pages on the MP

[median wraith]

Lyra example is HUGE

props to the CPP team

[fathom wadi]

I'm going to get the UE logo tattoo at some point. I don't have any tattoos because I never had anything that was worth it. But UE changed my life so I think it's worth defacing my body with a skin decal. I'm going to get an Instanced Tattoo though so I can change the colour dynamically through code.

[deep copper]

or

[fathom wadi]

the U logo

[night grove]

2.6GB. I thought you were saying Valley of the Ancients huge. am disappoint.

[deep copper]

[fathom wadi]

Is the Lyra project setup for dedicated servers as well as listen servers?

[night grove]

Well. it says 2.6GB during the download. Does it extract to a larger size when download is finished?

[fathom wadi]

yeah Chromatic. Plus it will require shader compiling so the intermediate and DDC will increase by a lot

[night grove]

The Lyra Starter Game also reveals our new UE5 Mannequins, Manny and Quinn, as playable characters. These Mannequins share the same core skeleton hierarchy as the MetaHumans, with a compatible animation system.

[deep copper]

such deception

[night grove]

Quinn fan group starting now

[deep copper]

!8ball where's quinn

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: You may rely on it.

[fathom wadi]

UE5 releases, plus I'm having spaghetti for dinner. Can this day get any better?

[deep copper]

i wonder if pfist will add a quinn bot someday

[night grove]

I had spaghetti on my computer screen earlier today. Does that make it better?

[deep copper]

there's always room for more better

[fathom wadi]

I'm wondering where GiveawayBot went. I'm only here for the free stuff ¬_¬

[deep copper]

wait we had that here?

really?

[fathom wadi]

yeah not seen it for a while tho

[deep copper]

perhaps manny will also take its job now

!8ball "does marc win giveaway"

[fathom wadi]

I think Manny stole all the giveaways due to Bot jealousy

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[fathom wadi]

I never win anything. I was in a competition last month or so to win a copy of Elden ring. There were 5 copies available, only 10 people entered and I still had to buy it lol

[deep copper]

you just gave it away to others! dw!

[fathom wadi]

it was worth buying tbh. It's a game that will last a long time

[deep copper]

it has taken over most places already

so famous

[fathom wadi]

yaeh they did open world gameplay just right. Always discovering something

[deep copper]

just when i thought open world was getting repetitive

[fathom wadi]

anyone for tennis?

[median wraith]

I didn't knew the name was Tin

[quasi mantle]

this

[median wraith]

once the world manager loads a new chunk the collisions on vehicles stop working and you fall from the road

[fathom wadi]

at least you cant crash the car tho

[deep copper]

you really don't feel like you sleep

[quasi mantle]

Can't friggin sleep, heater malfunctions

[fathom wadi]

I don't sleep. I have waking nightmares. It's awful. I never feel refreshed. It's like spending 8 hours watching a crap horror movie

[deep copper]

...

that sounds quite bad

[fathom wadi]

I have sleeping tablets that knock me out but they leave me feeling worse for a couple of days

all i can say is, thank the lord for coffee.

[deep copper]

.. ☕

[cursive crypt]

Have you tried some meditation? Like by trying, I mean for months every day.

[night grove]

Lyra is at just under 4GB for me when I've loaded a few levels

So far it looks like an amazing replacement for ShooterGame

I wonder how many AAA games released over the next few years will ship with LyraGame.exe

[fathom wadi]

@cursive crypt I have in the past. Oddly enough when I can't sleep I repeat the mantra "Blank, Empty, Spaces" and imagine myself walking across the Utah Salt flats. That tends to get me into dream mode, but once I'm asleep, it's just PTSD until I wake myself up

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... that a good start. Honestly, I can't relate much, as I almost never have nightmares. To me dreams are what lies in the unconsciousness, so basically your thoughts you likely don't realise. Therefore, if something is pain when you are awake, so it will be and in your dreams.

After certain event, I had for weeks and occasionally thereafter something akin to existential dread. Basically unable to sleep or function even awoke sometimes. You know, a smashing thoughts and feelings. A more equanimous mind definitely helped, and certain meditation techniques helped. Just sharing my experience here, do what you want.

[pearl elk]

Bank, Empty, Spaces

https://www.wombo.art

anyone seen this, its like this AI can see my nightmares 😮

[primal summit]

I asked for nightmare fuel.

not too bad

pretty gentle and friendly compared to my nightmares

[pearl elk]

https://puu.sh/IT0DI/a9b032d940.jpg

pretty much inline with how my nightmares go 😛

[primal summit]

I like

[pearl elk]

yeah its a pretty clever AI, it doesnt really understand solid forms but you can see this glimpse of intelligence

[primal summit]

it doesn't seem to know the word asunder

[pearl elk]

I tried hypersonic jet and it was giving me a skewed picture with a representation of the sound barrier

[primal summit]

I asked for reality rent asunder and got houses

assuming rent was the issue, I tried reality torn asunder, same results

[pearl elk]

it doesnt seem to be able to do portraits either

https://puu.sh/IT0Kr/f3c34d8b12.jpg

it does seem to understand what versus means though which is cool

[regal pecan]

Likely uses keywords to search for reference images and mashes them up

[pearl elk]

yeah it does, you can see when its mixing different perspectives together

has a very Picasso vibe sometimes

[primal summit]

not sure what I expected...

[regal pecan]

Not sure if it uses enough images. I tried "Liquidy milk face" and you can tell someone's picture of a glass of milk is still mostly there.

[pearl elk]

https://puu.sh/IT0Sf/47706f75c9.jpg

[night grove]

Funny how you can jump into lounge and get terrified out of your life in mere seconds

[zinc matrix]

Most of devs when they saw UE5 officially released

[slow gyro]

That does get very close to how I reacted, although I fully expected it to drop today.

[timber viper]

Lyra kinda... used BP too much

I'm not into BP RPCs 😂

[pearl elk]

Lyra Croft

[whole mortar]

holy shit theres a lot of people in vc right now what the hell

[pearl elk]

hype masters

[rough lotus]

Hi
Anyone what to try Lyra out?
Online

[whole mortar]

did you guys see the new TOS when installing UE5

what the shit

[quasi mantle]

what TOS?
builds from source code

[whole mortar]

since when is any TOS ever developer friendly and not designed to explicitly exploit people and steal all their shit

they have like several sections dedicated to what you DON'T owe them

[quasi mantle]

Show the offending part

[whole mortar]

for once there isnt one

i was expecting a we own all your shit clause

[zinc matrix]

@pearl elk so do you actually go battle medic in TF2 frequently?

[whole mortar]

its almost suspiciously beneficent

TOO generous

like did you know epic isnt collecting royalties on things rendered in UE5

wtf is their plan for virtual productions

they've spent millions, maybe billions developing for this new developing market

and what

they're not even gonna profit off it?

[quasi mantle]

They already make mbillions of fortnite

[primal summit]

cut of marketplace transactions

renders use marketplace assets

[whole mortar]

what about quixel stuff

[rough lotus]

Tested Lyra, Not setup for multiplayer well at all

[ivory lodge]

Wow. I took a quick break to play some Prey, and unreal 5 has downloaded. Neat.

[unreal ether]

they make money off successful ue games... 5% of revenue after $1,000,000, not to mention fortnite turns around $5bn a year

they have plenty of money

not to mention marketplace royalties

[whole mortar]

still

hard to imagine them leaving this much money on the table

[unreal ether]

wait until you hear about megagrants

[whole mortar]

plenty of million dollar productions doing virtual productions

[rough lotus]

More free stuff = more people using + more publicity

[unreal ether]

your mind will be blown

[rough lotus]

= more money

[whole mortar]

true but virtual production at the moment is almost exclusively big fish

[unreal ether]

exactly, more free stuff = more new users = more money from advertising, from games they make, from stuff sold through them

oh yeah and they have the EGS

[whole mortar]

you'd think that area specifically would be subject to royalties

[unreal ether]

epic game store is kinda a big one too

[whole mortar]

thats fair i guess

they do profit from every game that ships on their platform

but again movies arent games

[unreal ether]

they only care if you use their code, aka their ip

[primal summit]

they assume people want to use their product to make money (reasonable), and want a small cut of that money, plus fees from selling it on the platform that they make it very easy to sell on.

[unreal ether]

pretty much that

theyre honest

the only reason why theyre so lenient is because they only do well if people do well, if they offer attractive bonuses, higher chance of more people doing well with the product

[primal summit]

the larger the ecosystem of sub-million-dollar games through the store, the more people buying games on the store, earning a cut there and increasing traffic and the number of games exceeding a million dollars in sales

[unreal ether]

aka

📈 📈 📈 📈 📈

[primal summit]

loss leaders are an interesting concept

[whole mortar]

i'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop

[unreal ether]

a lot of indie devs are never gonna have to pay a dime, which attracts other people

[whole mortar]

i know its a smart move but execs are rarely smart

[primal summit]

and drives traffic to their store

[whole mortar]

mostly just greedy

[mossy nexus]

A huge number of companies have moved to Unreal, because of UE5. So yeah, the practice is a sound one 🙂

[unreal ether]

they aint gonna change because it's working

thats why people are moving, cause theyre remaining smart

if they default then everyones just gonna switch to godot or smthn

they need to keep a reason for using their services over unity, godot, marmoset, whatever

[whole mortar]

bigger companies have done dumber anti-consumer anti-developer moves

[primal summit]

indeed

[unreal ether]

cynicism gets ya nowhere

[whole mortar]

its realism at this point

[unreal ether]

bigger companies have done dumber stuff

[primal summit]

I'm surprised valve is still around after some of the stupid stuff they did with early steam

[whole mortar]

they always do

eventually

[primal summit]

but they resolved the matters

[unreal ether]

no because to assume that unreal is gonna go downhill and some anti-consumer policies, is very unREAL at this point in time

especially since they keep up with the gamechanging tech

and if they do go for some crap business model, theyll soon change when everyone jumps ship

its business, and epic seem to be very good at it

[mossy nexus]

I wonder what Epics game plan might be then @whole mortar Lure people in with low royalties, and the likes.. then what go full on Unity mode on us with multiple tiers of half baked ideas?

[unreal ether]

i dont wanna sound like a brownnose, cause im all for the "screw the big corps" attitude, but i can't fault epic for any of their ventures

theyve been a solid, reliable company thus far

see they even made the engine come with a free smoke machine

thats how great they are

now you can disco AND dev

[whole mortar]

yeah idk they could completely change their tune once they've gobbled up market share and have no remaining competition

[unreal ether]

unity cant do that

[whole mortar]

that tends to happen a lot

[unreal ether]

see above answer about jumping ship when that happens

idk i just think the cynicism is misplaced here

rather than enjoying what we now have its just all "Well the world's probably gonna end and then we have to pay for ue5"

[whole mortar]

i'm going to be the guy in the corner slowly sipping the kool aid keeping an eye on the rest of the room to see if anyone drops dead before me xD

[mossy nexus]

I've yet to see any indication that Epic are like that. So on balance of observation I'd say your pessimism is ill founded at this point 🙂

[unreal ether]

lmaoooo

yeah

normally those sort fo companies have little hints and giveaways

epic hasnt given any of those

[mossy nexus]

Maybe they are really good at poker.. 😄

[whole mortar]

i'm very happy with the positive direction epic is going but i'm also very suspicious of how positive that direction is

[unreal ether]

i mean its just a big brain business move

kill em with kindness

[primal summit]

such is your choice

[whole mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7zuhANmLwo

klaus is my spirit animal

[ocean parcel]

is unreal engine 6 out or what!?

ffs

WHY THE HECK DO THEY ALWAYS MISS THE POINT FIVES!? so no unreal 6.5!?

fricking unreal.

[unreal ether]

i now have a cow behind my wall in the kitchen

god minecraft is fun

also

any brits here ever had one of these bad boys

[jagged rain]

!stream

!manny

[fleet tangle]

Double dibs were the shit.

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: Ask again later.

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Concentrate and ask again.

[unreal ether]

i have recently found somewhere that sells em

everywhere near me stopped

can also get a case of 36 on amazon for £8 but thats a trade secret

[fleet tangle]

36 for £8 is probably still quite expensive compared to an actual trade seller.

[unreal ether]

yea wholesale websites have em for a fiver i think

but you either need to be a business or spend like £50

[thin storm]

pfist also mocked everyone with a fake discord ping.

[unreal ether]

yeah that was a few days ago

[zinc matrix]

pissed off at my workload

sorry, just need to vent

taking an online game design course, juggling a 9 to 6 job, and gotta fucking learn all this coding and modeling and shit for my game

overwhelmed af

and of course, nobody's gonna wanna join me in a team here cuz I'm an incompetent dumbass

fuck, idk what to do

[unreal ether]

take a break form the game then

[zinc matrix]

already did

gotta get back to it some time

[unreal ether]

yeah but maybe when your workload is more managable

do small bits on the weekends,

or take breaks from the online course

[zinc matrix]

there's just so much to learn

[unreal ether]

yup

focus on one thing at a time

[zinc matrix]

well how the fuck am I gonna pull it all off?

[unreal ether]

you aint gonna want to make a game until you are competent at those skills

so dedicate time to the skills and then come back to the game

or buy asset packs

[zinc matrix]

fuck me

i wish I wasn't so ambitious

this is gonna take forever

[unreal ether]

if you overscope youll burn out and get nowhere at all

and yeah games do take a while

even some of the small indie ones take years

ive seen people working on platformers for well over 3 years

[zinc matrix]

well how will I know when I'm competent enough? I mean learning through courses is fun but eventually, I'm gonna have to do trial and error

in fact, trial and error is how I've gotten as far as I have

along with tutorials

[unreal ether]

oyu'll realise when you hit that point in your skills

when your models dont look like potatoes, and you are confident you can make things you need, when your sounds dont sound amateurish, when your code is clean and thought out

once you hit that point you know

[young lily]

I was gona be a pilot but now i want to learn unreal engine more lol

[unreal ether]

took me a while to look at my skills and say "yeah i have enough knowledge to pull my idea off"

[zinc matrix]

that'll take an eternity

the Mesa Lab

[zinc matrix]

well what am I supposed to do even after I finish the course? it won't tell me all I need to know for my game

National Center for Atmospheric Research

[bronze axle]

Soon™️

[zinc matrix]

I'm just supposed to fucking postpone my game until I'm certain of everything?

[unreal ether]

no but youll be confident in your abilities to come up with your own code

[zinc matrix]

that sounds like analysis paralysis

[unreal ether]

not certain, confident

and yes

you shouldnt make a game if you dont have the skills for it

[zinc matrix]

jesus christ

[unreal ether]

learn the skills, come back

[bronze axle]

Manny v2 will be much easier to use, just like UE5. 😄

[zinc matrix]

god this is hell

what the fuck am I doing?

I'm in way over my head

[unreal ether]

get to a point where you can hold your own in modelling, same with other things, or find others

or buy the assets other people make

[zinc matrix]

that'll take years

[young lily]

submit the game idea to a pro.. you can still get money for the idea of it..

[unreal ether]

you either need to buy things, luck out with free things, or suck it up and learn it

[unreal ether]

it generally does

you dont get to be a pro gamedev in months

[zinc matrix]

goddamnit

how am I gonna learn everything?

[unreal ether]

took me 2 years to be confident enough to make something to release

[young lily]

yeah at least 2-4 years and you might be kinda good lol

[unreal ether]

little and often, as well as not being ashamed to take breaks

[bronze axle]

Wow what are the chances? 😂

[zinc matrix]

so nothing I've done for my game so far matters because I mostly followed tutorials and had help from others?

goddamnit

fuck

[unreal ether]

but it also does depend on your game

a little 10 minute clicker game might only take a few weeks of learning c#

[zinc matrix]

shit

[unreal ether]

never said that

[zinc matrix]

I'm just upset

[unreal ether]

they all contribute to your experience

[zinc matrix]

I'm so impatient

[unreal ether]

if you wanna make a game without experience you're prepping for a hell of a lot more upset

[bronze axle]

Don't be silly. I'm a professional and I still learn things as I go.

[unreal ether]

exaclty

[zinc matrix]

tell that to this limey

[unreal ether]

thats why you just need to have confidence

i didnt say certainty

i said confidence

you need to be confident in your abilities somewhat

the things you miss, you learn when you need them

[zinc matrix]

it just sucks that I keep envisioning the end product in my head

it makes me impatient

[unreal ether]

keep doing that, write it down

[bronze axle]

I know the feeling. I was the same way when I was new.

[unreal ether]

it gives you a goal to work to

just know every little bit gets you closer

[bronze axle]

What helped me was repeatedly making smaller things.

[unreal ether]

^

this so much

[zinc matrix]

how good at math do I have to be?

[unreal ether]

i made a small little game in SFML and c++ and it helped my way of thinking immensely

you could do the same, however you want

[unreal ether]

depends on your game

some have little math other than adding

[bronze axle]

I'm a professional game developer and I sucked at math in college. 😅

[unreal ether]

if you want custom character movement, you need to know your way around vectors

[bronze axle]

Math is important in game dev, but in my experience, you'll still be able to make stuff; just slower than someone who knows more math.

[zinc matrix]

fuck

[velvet bramble]

I play with AI and I still suck at math 🤣

[bronze axle]

Vectors aren't as scary as they sound.

[unreal ether]

sometimes all it takes is the right person explaining it for it to stick

[zinc matrix]

yes they are

you just have to visualise them in my experience

[bronze axle]

They're just 3d points in space.

[unreal ether]

vectors definitely arent

they just co-ordinates with direction

its just a direction

[zinc matrix]

normalised just means it has a length of one, you can multiply it by another value to give it a certain length etc.

[unreal ether]

[0, -1] is down in 2d space for example

[foggy path]

You can get started with vectors and such by just knowing how the basics work

[zinc matrix]

idk how to control myself

[foggy path]

You'll get intuition for them as you keep using them

[zinc matrix]

dot products take a bit to use right

but they're very handy

I know learning the fundamentals first will pay off more

[unreal ether]

dot products can also be rearranged to get the angle between 2 vectors

[zinc matrix]

but damn, I'm so impatient

[foggy path]

I knew fuck all about vectors and dot products and stuff but I just kept using them and they slowly started making sense :P

[zinc matrix]

I've had my characters and lore swirling in my head for years now

[unreal ether]

a dot product on it's own tells you if 2 vectors are perpendicular, if the result is 0

[foggy path]

Write it down if it's only in your head

[unreal ether]

same here brother

my dream game i wont be able to make without a couple more people and a good 4 more years of experience at least

[zinc matrix]

so how do you stay patient?

[unreal ether]

but ive got it noted down for when i get the experience

i realise that what i do with my other projects helps work towards my dream

rome wasnt built in a day

[bronze axle]

That's where the impatience comes from. You've had an idea in your head for too long, dying to get put to paper. I've found it's better to get it out sooner than later, even if inferior, than it is to keep it in your head while learning the "right" way to do it. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

[unreal ether]

i wrote a design doc, i drew concepts, hell i even made the control scheme

[foggy path]

I would definitely write ideas down. You'll just feel like you'll forget them otherwise :P

Even if they're raw

[unreal ether]

and that satisfies me that i have the planning done for when i have the skills

[bronze axle]

The hardest lesson I've learned in game dev: stop putting all your great ideas into one project. It will never be done. If you have a big idea while working on project A, save it for project B.

[unreal ether]

^

[zinc matrix]

that sounds counterintuitive; I feel like it would just make me more impatient

[unreal ether]

you overscope, you burn out

[bronze axle]

As a bonus, after some time you'll have a history to look back on. A record of how you've improved. A collection of works.

[foggy path]

You can't keep infinite info in your head

[unreal ether]

it gives you something to do

[foggy path]

When it's written down you'll know you can always come back to it later and you won't forget it

[zinc matrix]

I guess so

[unreal ether]

but it also depends on your game

[zinc matrix]

it's supposed to be a sidescroller with 3d graphics

[unreal ether]

if it's a vibrant photorealistic mmorpg, with a fully interactive story, then it aint ever gonna happen solo, probably not even with 10 people

[zinc matrix]

ideally supposed to have a comic book style with thick outlines and shading

[unreal ether]

so we have a reasonable goal

[zinc matrix]

so you're saying I should give up?

[unreal ether]

get semi competent in modelling, learn the engine, and even work on a smaller project

a couple of game jams maybe

theyre saying that coming up with ideas, and making smaller ones helps you realise what is and isnt possible

[zinc matrix]

fuck no, I ain't doing that; even I know that's suicide

[foggy path]

Frankly from having followed several of "consolation for strivvy" chats here.... all of this seems to mainly stem from lack of confidence on your ability to learn a new thing :P

[unreal ether]

^

it seems you dont believe in your skills and that makes you worry youll never do it

either that or you dont wanna learn the skills

[zinc matrix]

nah, I know myself; I can learn new things; I'm just impatient and overwhelmed with my current workload

[foggy path]

lack of commitment stemming from lack of confidence :P

[unreal ether]

and if you dont wanna do that, then gamedev isnt for you

[zinc matrix]

you guys may have a point about writing it down

[unreal ether]

may be a controversial opinion

[zinc matrix]

idk, maybe I should just hire people

I'm poor af though

[unreal ether]

then dont hire people

[foggy path]

Yeah I'm no expert on this stuff but I've talked to a fair number of people struggling with this stuff

[unreal ether]

tru

[foggy path]

It's all like "yeah I should do this, I should do that"... so why aren't you doing it

excuse A, excuse B

[zinc matrix]

maybe game dev isn't for me

idk

[unreal ether]

if your current workload is too much

[foggy path]

there we go, excuse C

[unreal ether]

take a break

[foggy path]

lol

[unreal ether]

you dont need to make a game now

[foggy path]

"maybe game dev isn't for me" come on how is this not lack of confidence?

[unreal ether]

revisit it when circumstances are better

[zinc matrix]

I could die at any moment

[unreal ether]

so could i

not an excuse for anything

[zinc matrix]

I do lack confidence

[zinc matrix]

you are not what are you feeling right now

[unreal ether]

a plane could crash into me, but im not about to get married and have children and retire because of it

[zinc matrix]

like

[unreal ether]

if you die at any moment, then you wont be caring about your product anymore anyway

[zinc matrix]

I can try to learn through a course, but I'm just so ADD it's hard to concentrate for a long time

[foggy path]

You seem to be building up this project as some kind of holy grail

[zinc matrix]

oftentimes I'm just like "FUCK! just get to the part I need already"

[foggy path]

Which inherently makes it impossible to reach

[zinc matrix]

you're right

[unreal ether]

but thats also excuse D

i must do this NOW because i could die tomorrow

terrible attitude to have

instead, think that, yeah you could die at any moment, so why not enjoy yourself instead of stressing

[zinc matrix]

to be fair, this is because I've fallen in love with my lore and characters, and originally I thought of starting by making it a graphic novel, but nobody reads anymore and it's not as lucrative, so I figured I go the game route instead

[unreal ether]

plenty of people read

[zinc matrix]

nah

[unreal ether]

all of my friends adore graphic novels

[foggy path]

Yeah if you look at it from standpoint of lucrative you're never gonna get anything done

[zinc matrix]

i think if you are pursuing money as the end motif for what game you will make, go do something else

indies are at very low rate of success

[unreal ether]

my mother and father both read extensively, in fact all of my friends went into the bookstore together

[unreal ether]

also this

[zinc matrix]

yeah I know, but that's usually cuz they have poor marketing strategies

[unreal ether]

the chances of you making any decent money, is so extremely low

[unreal ether]

not really

[zinc matrix]

wym?

[unreal ether]

its because the market is hyper saturated

plenty of good ones get psuhed down

[zinc matrix]

how many indie games are released each month?

[unreal ether]

even with decent marketing

[zinc matrix]

idk

[zinc matrix]

a lot, and some are good to make a rent!

and they do not, sometimes

[unreal ether]

free marketing only gets you so far, theres a reason the games you hear about have marketing budgets in the millions

[zinc matrix]

sigh

[unreal ether]

indie marketing is largely luck based unless you wanna spend 10s of thousands

[zinc matrix]

well

guess I shouldn't focus on the money then

[unreal ether]

the best chance you have is releasing many titles

[zinc matrix]

just do it cuz I want to

[unreal ether]

^ a better attitude already!

[zinc matrix]

so just not bother with my dream game?

[unreal ether]

the way i see it, releasing my games builds valuable skills for future ones, builds my employability, and if i get money in the process, bonus

[unreal ether]

not true

im saying the best chance you have for making money is by releasing many games over a period

cause thats just simple probability

more games = more chances to go big

[zinc matrix]

how can I do that if making games takes so long?

[unreal ether]

im talking in the timescale of decades

[zinc matrix]

jesus christ

[foggy path]

You have to start making shitty ass games that don't take long

I think I made like a tetris clone or something when I was still bad at it

[zinc matrix]

yeah you're right

[unreal ether]

my first complete game was asteroids

and that took me a few months

of learning c++ etc

cause thats what i chose to do it in

same thing, different engine

[zinc matrix]

guess I just gotta set realistic expectations

[unreal ether]

yup

you aint gonna be making a masterpiece in a month

probably not even 6

exactly

[zinc matrix]

at least I can be satisfied with what I've already done

[unreal ether]

you may find out to make your game as perfect as your mind's image it may take years

[zinc matrix]

even though I shouldn't cuz that breeds complacency

[unreal ether]

it doesnt

not as long as you work to your final goal

no such thing as complacency with your own limits

if you define your own goals then you can shift em, and do whatever you want

youll probably decide down the line, that you dont actually want feature x, and you'll breathe a sigh of relief

[zinc matrix]

just feel pressured I gotta work daily on the courses and get em done ASAP

even though right now I'm so tense and just wanna relax

[unreal ether]

why

why do you gotta work daily

who has set that limit other than you

now if its a degree, and tought lessons and stuff then i get it

but if daily work is stressin ya, dont do it

if you suffer through your dream game while stressed and high strung, then the result will likely be a bad game

the good games come from the heart, when you're relaxed, and enjoying it

not from tense mental breakdowns

[zinc matrix]

Yeah I get stressed a lot

[unreal ether]

yeah but even then it isnt healthy

it may be good in the short term, but for the longevity of your sanity its harmful

[zinc matrix]

I got homework to do and I'm too stressed to even concentrate right now

[zinc matrix]

other thing that may help; it being grateful / happy for small achievements!

[unreal ether]

yes

[zinc matrix]

i do not like much good vibe people

[unreal ether]

so much this

[zinc matrix]

but celebrating small stuff makes you feel better on the long run

[unreal ether]

reward yourself for learning that new thing

you know, maybe yesterday you couldn't model a microphone, but today you can

reward yourself

[zinc matrix]

Yeah you guys are right

[unreal ether]

get those good chemicals

(serotonin not drugs)

[zinc matrix]

It's just my desire to work on my game peaks during my work hours

When I get home I'm often too tired

[unreal ether]

thats unfortunate

but you cal always leave it to a day off

even 1 day a wekk is better than nothing

[zinc matrix]

try to find a team which shares the same passion?

[unreal ether]

also that

see if you can find someone that might wanna work

gamejam communities etc.

[zinc matrix]

I'm afraid I won't be able to live up to their expectations

[unreal ether]

i have a friend working with me that also knows blender, i can already model, but having someone there that means i can focus my time into sounds/design and programming makes it easier

[unreal ether]

it's your project, you set the expectations

as long as you properly set out the idea

theyll decide whether they want to or not

[zinc matrix]

Whatever

i think when going for a shared collab, aiming to a shared idea is better

I just wanna play Smash Bros right now

[unreal ether]

that is a fair point actually

[zinc matrix]

people usually work for others when they have money to offer

otherwise, get some followers

make people love you

and then use them

!8ball alright?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[celest musk]

xD

[unreal ether]

then play smash bros as long as delaying your homework isnt gonna get you in trouble

[celest musk]

also adopt a dog and walk it 3 times a day

[zinc matrix]

I'd rather hold a baby orangutan

[celest musk]

not this again

[zinc matrix]

Too bad it's illegal

[zinc matrix]

Baby orangutans are adorbs, man

[unreal ether]

i havent touched my project in a month because my uni work has ramped up cause its the final week of the year for me

[zinc matrix]

Sorry to hear

[unreal ether]

so rn im playing minecraft instead of making my devlog #0

do i feel bad

no

[zinc matrix]

You're only human

[foggy path]

I haven't touched my project in months because I'm working on my other project

[unreal ether]

because i know forcing myself to work, will only make me resent working, and i dont wanna hate working on my project

[zinc matrix]

I don't expect you to be Brainiac

And even if you were, you'd probably be fighting Superman now, so

Yeah

[unreal ether]

i also need to learn video editing, but im in no major rush

whats the worst that can happen

i delay by a month

not a big deal

[zinc matrix]

You seem to handle your ambition better than me

[foggy path]

Video editing's easy.... depending on what you want to do :P

[unreal ether]

you shoudl take that outlook a bit more too

[unreal ether]

I WANT AN MMORPG IN PREMIER PRO

ehem

sorry bout that

[foggy path]

lol

you need Premiere Pro CS666 for that

[unreal ether]

jokes on you im too broke for adobe

i use free alternatives 😎

heard davinci resolve is good so imma pick up the free version

[zinc matrix]

Well at least I got my villainess rigged

[unreal ether]

better than shotcut 🤮

[unreal ether]

you see there we go

[zinc matrix]

Now I just gotta add her other accessories and code the boss fight where she uses all her deadly gadgets and psionic powers...

[unreal ether]

also for humanoid rigs you can use mixamo as that can auto rig iirc

doesnt do any special bones tho

very basic

[zinc matrix]

This model came rigged from vroid

Er well

[unreal ether]

ah sweet

[zinc matrix]

It came with bones

I just rigged it better

With help

[unreal ether]

so youve already learned a new skill

[zinc matrix]

Kinda, but I had a guy walking me through and I don't remember it all

[unreal ether]

you came here being frustrated about not being able to make a grapple, and now youve learned rigging

id say thats pretty damn good progress

reward yourself

feel those good chemicals

have that smash bros

do that homework?

idk im not a scientist

[foggy path]

who says you need to remember it all

if you remember anything about it that's better than nothing lol

[unreal ether]

^

thats where confidence and certainty separate, fi you can say, i can probably do this but i may need to google at some point, thats more than enough

certainty would mean i cna do this entirely with my current knowledge

[velvet bramble]

I agree with zomg, I don't remember everything I've done with UE (or well anything) but knowing something that links back to it in any way really helps and isn't worth putting yourself down for

[unreal ether]

hell ive made settings menus before but in making my current one ive only just learned about game user settings

[foggy path]

yeah even if you don't feel like you remember something usually you still do and next time you work on that stuff it'll come easier

[unreal ether]

which is a lifesaver

[velvet bramble]

Game Settings

I still suck at setting params for that

Best I can do is make the game pause and change res

[unreal ether]

you just do the thing and it does the thing dw

[velvet bramble]

Yeah 😂 I can only do so much with it
I've done a lot of menus through blueprints, I'm not game enough to try it with C++ yet

[unreal ether]

a lot of them are already handled you just need to make the button go click

stuff like AA and texture quality

[velvet bramble]

True, I should really go more in-depth with that stuff but at the same time I know I'm not confident enough to handle texture quality and AA yet

[unreal ether]

its just a console command

thats literally it

look at the videos on the game user settings it handles everything

[velvet bramble]

this is me 😂
I'll find a way to screw it up if I don't understand it

[unreal ether]

and then saves to an INI

you dont need to understand it tbf

there is no possible way to screw it up

the engine does it for you

[velvet bramble]

I said the same thing with Slate
and I somehow broke the UI

[unreal ether]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/BlueprintAPI/Settings/

its genuinely built in functions

[velvet bramble]

time to bookmark it for later

[zinc matrix]

i just found out

ima be dad

[velvet bramble]

Ayo

Nice

[zinc matrix]

and i am deadset on naming him bobby droptables

[velvet bramble]

Why do I feel like that's an SQL reference (referring to "droptables")

[unreal ether]

DROP * FROM SCHEMA

"aw what a beautiful baby name"

[velvet bramble]

🤣

[zinc matrix]

next level villainy

[velvet bramble]

DELETE *

[zinc matrix]

HE WHO MUST NOT BE DATA BASED

[velvet bramble]

this is why programmers can't have kids 😂

[zinc matrix]

lmao

i was talking to my coworkers about SQL today

[velvet bramble]

"Why'd you name your child 'x'"

Because they're an unknown variable

[unreal ether]

SELECT * FROM engine.assets WHERE name = "*.fbx" INNER JOIN windows.assets ON engine.assets

"aw.. are they twins?"

[velvet bramble]

[unreal ether]

I cannot stand SQL

set the entire thing on fire

no one needs data bases anyway

[velvet bramble]

Use NoSQL

[unreal ether]

we have excel spreadsheets

[zinc matrix]

I agree its an ugly language. but very simple

[unreal ether]

theyre good enough

[velvet bramble]

lmao

That's...that's dangerous if it isn't secured correctly lol

[unreal ether]

i had an entire module working with sqlite and c++ and ive never wanted to burn down a building more

[zinc matrix]

its an intranet

[velvet bramble]

Employees are the biggest threat :D

[zinc matrix]

especially those with a particular set of skills...

[velvet bramble]

I know cause I've accidentally dropped a table before

[unreal ether]

whats the age old saying

"your security is only as secure as your user?"

[velvet bramble]

Thankfully we had backups

[zinc matrix]

thats anew one for me

[velvet bramble]

its very true

[unreal ether]

you can have the greatest anti company theft in the world, but if Janet from HR keeps her password as the same one that was leaked 7 years ago, and accidentally posts it to facebook, then it aint gonna matter

[velvet bramble]

You can have the world's most secure system, but if your client goes out and says:

HEY EVERYONE! My password is [whatever it is]
Then you're screwed

[unreal ether]

its even worse when you realise the admins are no different

[velvet bramble]

Oh god

[zinc matrix]

if your client does that he knows hes either 1. going to jail or 2. getting his ass bankrupted via suit

[velvet bramble]

I remember the days when Admins had their password as "God"

[unreal ether]

my last school, a fairly large organization, had its main admin account as

admin1
password123

i wish i was joking

[velvet bramble]

We had that one IT admin with a god complex back in highschool

[zinc matrix]

my high school allowed me to browse the entire school systems folder struture simply by navigating up. i shityou not.

[unreal ether]

it would have taken me 5 minutes as a student to bring down the entire network

[unreal ether]

lmaooooo

[zinc matrix]

I nearly employed it for evil. but the bell rang. literally

well i tied to show people it and then class ended and i graduated lmao

[unreal ether]

lets not forget people still havent learned their lessons from SQL injections

ive seen multiple websites that still take user input literally

[zinc matrix]

the problem is thus

[velvet bramble]

I still forget to sanitize inputs on the front end

[unreal ether]

same

sometimes i think whats the point, no ones gonna try and copy paste an image into this field, then i remember, no someone will, and if they do, the entire thing will set on fire

you just have to prepare for every edge case, and even then its fruitless

as long as someone misplaces a password, or gets socially engineered

[zinc matrix]

software engineering classes neglect security. simply because its not their subject direct matter i cant tell you how many times ive seen SWE texts gloss over security. Its funny because security + software go hand in hand. security isnt even a real technical subject. really its knowing how to outsmart a human adversary only with technology its a test of ones technical knowledge in addition

[unreal ether]

im thankful that in my first year programming, even though it was just to make a game, and a random name generator, we were taught to test with every possible data entry, and to sanitise every input

[velvet bramble]

Security + Anything IT goes hand in hand

[unreal ether]

i made a program where you could input a name i think it was, and my tutor came around and said "ok, what if you put in nothing and click enter, what if you put in a number, what if you copy paste an image"

i hadnt even thought of any of those

[zinc matrix]

ill never forget the story i read about a white collar criminal who fled from authorities when he was found out in america. he was in india. can you guess how they found him?

[velvet bramble]

I probably handle sanitizing the wrong way lol
I do it all in the backend, so users can't modify the methods on their side

[zinc matrix]

hes one of very few people in the entire country and very visible

[velvet bramble]

Social Media

[zinc matrix]

nah

worse

ethnicity

lmao

[velvet bramble]

wtf lmfao

[zinc matrix]

he was one of a few white people LIVING in india

[velvet bramble]

That's funny but also sad at the same time 😂

[zinc matrix]

no american in their right minds goes to expatriat to india afaik

[unreal ether]

i'll never forget how a running tracker exposed a secret military base in afghanistan

[velvet bramble]

Pull a snowden and go to russia

[zinc matrix]

its funny how nobody talks about the NSA/snowden leaks anymore. but we all know about it

[velvet bramble]

It may not be on G-Maps but doesn't mean it exists <- Everyone mainly

[unreal ether]

i mean it was a pretty good movie

[zinc matrix]

i never saw it

i did see the imitation game

fuckin awesome movie

[onyx root]

anybody else notice that they redid the unreal engine forums UI? lmao

[velvet bramble]

imo snowden done the right thing

[zinc matrix]

the odd thing is nothing. literally nothing changed

[unreal ether]

the app plotted your running cycles, and that was by default

soldiers were using it to track their health, and didnt know that this was uploaded to a live map

[velvet bramble]

nope, I only looked at it today after about 2 years of using UE

[zinc matrix]

except that actual terrorists learned to cover their asses with encryption

[unreal ether]

worst bit was it showed the names of pictures of soldiers running

meaning some bad stuff could have happened

[velvet bramble]

oop

[unreal ether]

luckily nothing did

[zinc matrix]

where is this? what country's installation? curious

[onyx root]

well, the more things change the more they stay the same. So perhaps things did change 🤔

[unreal ether]

it happened in a lot of them

[velvet bramble]

The dumb part is, they didn't think to do this before the leaks

[unreal ether]

but my story specifically happened to one in afghanistan in the peak of the taliban/isis conflicts

it was a US base

[zinc matrix]

ill bet you some did just not all of them.

[unreal ether]

nordvpn?

[onyx root]

I never thought someone would ever mention ISIS in an Unreal discord server 😆

[unreal ether]

https://youtu.be/QqEuO5im1nA

very interesting vid on it here

[velvet bramble]

cyber-terrorists most likely, and any other's with a brain would
But considering most terrorism (from what i've seen) is all done on a whim

[velvet bramble]

Lmao Well if it suits the topic is it really wrong? 😂

[unreal ether]

first time for everythng i guess

[zinc matrix]

the thing about being a terrorist in any country currently occupied by the US military is that we have presence literally everywhere. space. the air. ground. seas. ive read about the poor bastards who survived or escaped. they got lucky. US military will hunt you down. "you can run but you cant hide" is the name of the game here.

https://tenor.com/view/merica-patriotic-yea-usa-gif-13927329

[velvet bramble]

It becomes harder when different terrorists come into play
Say we have tango 1, She's your stock standard weapons and drugs dealer, only thing different is she is doing it for money and supplying to terrorists making her one by association
Then we have Tango 2, he's a sociopath (made not born, born makes you a psychopath :D) and has watched and observed, planned and evaluated, taking into account everything the others have done wrong

T2 would be harder to find than T1 simply due to planning

Nothing to do with race, gender, personality, etc.
But the more thorough you plan, the better the outcome. it applies to pretty much everything

Then we have discord

[thick belfry]

Ironically also why a lot of terrorists become one

Probably a bit too political a topic for here though I guess

[unreal ether]

oops i seem to have started a discussion on why terrorism exists

i swear it started with running

[timber viper]

Politics are allowed in this channel btw

Until you target someone in the chat personally

[unreal ether]

POLITICS

get target'd

Comedy

You are not equipped for my rib aching humor

[timber viper]

Talking about politics is waste of time unless you are killing your time or not trying to earn people anyway

[unreal ether]

But yeah i just thought it was funny how security went to running went ti the fundamentals of terrorism

[regal pecan]

Security must inevitably consider threat analysis.

Funny thing is terrorists too have to consider security... And they fail at it, not because they don't encrypt, but encryption is pointless when the FBI can yoink the passwords out of everyone they arrest.

[sage ermine]

Anyone else having lots of problems with facebook and youtube loading today?

All other sites seem fine

[zinc matrix]

damn bro... the voice channels popped off!

we chat

[velvet bramble]

🤔 I don't use fb but yt is running fine for me

[zinc matrix]

I cant sleep

And i don't want to

But i must

A haiku

by yours truly

[velvet bramble]

Lmaoo

[regal pecan]

The whole appeal of the haiku is that you only need to remember that it's 5:7:5 syllables.

[zinc matrix]

that is an old metric

nowadays we can variate

a little bit

[regal pecan]

You could, but A) It wouldn't be haiku and B) Limmericks are way better

[deep copper]

how's ue5 so far

[cursive crypt]

There are like 6 channels about opinions.

[cursive crypt]

Actually it is not mandatory to be 5-7-5, there are some deviations.

[zinc matrix]

mamma told me those are ugly flasks, but i do not like her

[testing my modern hate haiku ending ~~tension ~~with images]

[deep copper]

they look rather decent to me 🤔

[zinc matrix]

mamma?

[deep copper]

the flasks xD

[zinc matrix]

i knew you could not provide this role

[deep copper]

do you want me to..?

[zinc matrix]

Starting to think game dev isn't for me

It's starting to piss me off

[thorny dock]

That means your doing it right

It means your learning and understanding the roadblocks

If you don't get pissed and on the verge of giving up at least 3 times a week your not doing game dev right

[zinc matrix]

This is hell

I'm starting to wish I wasn't so passionate and ambitious in the first place

[thorny dock]

A gift, in which is a curse

[zinc matrix]

Wish I was just rich enough to pay someone for all of it

[thorny dock]

See you take out a loan to fund your first game, then as you pay that off you start another company and take out loans for your next game...

Just kidding please don't take financial advice from me, that should be my bio

But don'

But don't worry it all gets easier over time as you gain experience, and as you gain experience you will be able to open up your networking more and be with people who help make the headaches go away

[zinc matrix]

I'm also pissed off cuz of my job and college

I'm juggling too much

[thorny dock]

Yeah I was in the same boat, it was incredibly tough, but it definitely gives good perspective and helped me be able to prioritize time better, especially once I was done with it

[zinc matrix]

And I'm stuck on this motherfucking math problem

I wish I could just give up

But it'll haunt me if I do

I just hate the steps I need to take to get there

[deep copper]

that's what makes those steps worth taking you know? because usually 99% people will give up on that. if it wasn't so frustrating everyone would have done what you are doing and it would have had no meaning then, and you would be doing something else that was equally frustrating

[pearl elk]

Did someone say math problem

[deep copper]

i think so

[zinc matrix]

do you live with your parents?

[cursive crypt]

That feeling when a tool report totally dumb error message saying nothing at all about the actual problem (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[pearl elk]

isnt that every error message in the compiler

[cursive crypt]

Nah, compiler is starship compared to "missing a filename" when it is clearly the output file name argument.

[deep copper]

#lounge is now #cpp again

[cursive crypt]

This is no f c++ dude

It is annoying 3rd party tool

bash, terminal, you name it

[deep copper]

ohh, that sounds more frustrating then

[cursive crypt]

Ah, yes... spending 1h 30m trying to fix a dumb export option in UE. Which turns out is even exporting garbage.
Imma gonna slide that shit under the carpet until it becomes really needed.

C++ might be a solution by then.

[deep copper]

😔

[zinc matrix]

just found this on hacker news comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyktuCjOisc&ab_channel=PullAndBeDamned

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-staring-black-cat-nail-file-gif-14433694

[deep copper]

exactly!!!! there was also the word compiler tho

[deep copper]

is that a story?

[zinc matrix]

i think it is kerouac reciting some of his texts

[deep copper]

ah

[zinc matrix]

i will discover soon