lounge

[zinc matrix]

so it is 50% of 1/3 of federal budget

Dunno, ask the mods

[foggy path]

NFT projects are not allowed to be posted in #work-in-progress but otherwise you can probably talk about it if you want

[verbal junco]

any sort of advertising is banned, so I'd say yes

[zinc matrix]

i am not defending the practice of inventing in guns anyway

[foggy path]

^yeah other rules do apply

[verbal junco]

your open border policy will be the end of you 😄

[zinc matrix]

What country are you from? I'm gonna guess France

[foggy path]

This is why I have a strong military

[zinc matrix]

I am from Brazil, a neutral country by nature on armed conflicts

i have way much more to blame than you living on the modern world

[zinc matrix]

Well agree to disagree

[cursive crypt]

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/amazon-mgm-merger-close-1235207852/

Btw

[zinc matrix]

I still believe in social safety nets

[zinc matrix]

you believe in a lot of stuff

[zinc matrix]

Including leprechauns

looked like me crying about conflicted minerals when i entered here

we are known as crying babies

outside

[zinc matrix]

So what's your point?

[zinc matrix]

none, just that proclaiming justice or playing the paranoid about big corporations on Lounge of Slackers in pointless

i mean, discussion is not pointless

but most of the time it is

[deep copper]

atleast #lounge isn't #cpp during the discussions

[zinc matrix]

_howDoYouKnow():

[zinc matrix]

Not necessarily

[foggy path]

_ prefix? What is this

[zinc matrix]

Python based, my internal creation

I mean opening people to ideas is the first step in action

[zinc matrix]

a core engine function

rather than user created

you do not need to declare anything

[foggy path]

I've seen _ used as a prefix for "private" values in languages which don't support actual scoping for them

[zinc matrix]

the string generator with ENTER press is already done

you just call the functions and chat happens

read,

_peopleChat():

[quasi mantle]

Advertising posts can get you banned, and #work-in-progress or #released disallow NFT projects.

But we discussed NFTs a few times.

[deep copper]

python is just "yeah you aren't meant to access it but you can"

[zinc matrix]

Well by that logic, you might as well tell anyone having a political discussion in here that they're pissing in the wind, but people are gonna still do it

[foggy path]

@deep copper yeah same in JS

[zinc matrix]

but i love chatting

i do not care the subject

but i like personal drama the most

as personal stuff being exposed

[quasi mantle]

I actually had my server disallow political talks lol

[zinc matrix]

that is why it is boring

a life without conflicted and discord is not a discord server

crocodile-hugger

[foggy path]

I understand why you keep saying dumb shit like "are you smoking synthetic weed?" now

because you're trying to sow conflict

:P

[deep copper]

i don't think politics was allowed here either

[zinc matrix]

hmm. i have a very poor understanding of code, i am sorry

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, screw the first amendment

[fleet tangle]

First amendment doesn't apply to speech on private platforms, surely?

[zinc matrix]

NO! I just thought it was very strange a country of the size ($) of USA spending 50% of its fee on military

[foggy path]

haha

[zinc matrix]

that is misinformation

and a heavy one

[foggy path]

yeah but still asking someone if they're smoking weed is a bit harsh :)

[fleet tangle]

You mean it's more like 80%?!

[zinc matrix]

50% for a year is enough to have nuclear bomb to explode mars

and earth

[foggy path]

and not really something that is constructive to fostering a discussion

[zinc matrix]

Well I've seen other people here besides me start and engage in political conversations and there's nothing in #rules against it, so

[zinc matrix]

ok, i will take a note

[fleet tangle]

We had a great discussion on freedom of speech the other day.

[quasi mantle]

What even is first amendement?

I know four amendments but not in US.

[zinc matrix]

that is postmodern

they even used recycled paper texture at the background

[quasi mantle]

Well, my server is not based in the US, neither do I.

[fleet tangle]

"My religion is murdering the president. Fight me."

[foggy path]

Speaking of the first amendment... american politics invading everything:

[zinc matrix]

my first amendment is:

Start counting on zero.

[foggy path]

lol

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, guess my argument was flawed

[deep copper]

that's true, I don't see anything about it 🤔

[zinc matrix]

Are you Canadian?

[foggy path]

Lua users right now:

[foggy path]

Nah, just saw that a while back and thought it was funny

[quasi mantle]

I also want it to be Far East friendly and talk more about anime, comic, and games.

Also known as ACG.

[zinc matrix]

Hey at least the Canadian police aren't overly militarized or oppressing minorities

[zinc matrix]

do they? Lua was my first time i got contact with starting with 0 but it was some years ago and i gave up before properly understanding what variables are meant for

[foggy path]

Well, arrays in Lua start from 1, instead of 0 like they do in everything else I know

[zinc matrix]

starting the Lua book at the .org website made me so confused about coding

i thought i would never learn for good

[deep glen]

heavily frowned upon at the very least.

[quasi mantle]

Lua's syntaxing is weird.

At least coming from someone who main on C/C++

[deep copper]

atleast Lua's name is short and easy to type

[zinc matrix]

means moon in Portuguese

[quasi mantle]

But even then I had some easier time grasping Python

[foggy path]

Try Haskell

[zinc matrix]

it was create in Brazil btw

[deep glen]

Lua is my sister XD

[deep copper]

Moonrunes, explains why the weird syntax

[deep glen]

oh, wrong reply

[quasi mantle]

COME TO BRAZIIIIIL 🇧🇷

[zinc matrix]

Is C++ necessary for your game instead of blueprints?

[zinc matrix]

no!

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAiHEQblKeQ

[quasi mantle]

I use both.

Heck, I'm still heavy on BPs

[zinc matrix]

where are you from?

[deep glen]

netherlands, also I dont have a sister

[zinc matrix]

Call me a pussy, but traditional coding intimidates me; tried Python and absolutely hated it

[zinc matrix]

my friend has a dog called Lua

In fact, the appeal of blueprints is what got me into Unreal

[quasi mantle]

Do I need to run around and dessert my girlfriend?

[deep copper]

python is not traditional coding like at all

[zinc matrix]

Yes

[zinc matrix]

Then I guess I'm just a stupid fuck

[deep copper]

it's a rather, neatfreak language

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQR8R29jXKA

[quasi mantle]

But I promised I never going to give her up and never going to let her down

[deep copper]

you might like the traditional languages if you didn't like it

[zinc matrix]

Heh, dead meme funny

[zinc matrix]

Idk, C++ looks like Hell

[foggy path]

python is not traditional coding like at all
Huh 🤔

[quasi mantle]

I liked C/C++ more than C#
Now I'm also getting my hands dirty on Assembly

[deep copper]

yeah it does...

[zinc matrix]

Whatever

[foggy path]

C++ is not too bad with how it works in UE

[zinc matrix]

Blueprints should carry me through for now

[foggy path]

But it's definitely a bit more involved than more modern languages

[zinc matrix]

Gonna be hell when I eventually have to learn it though

[deep copper]

i dislike how long names are in C++

[foggy path]

Names like what?

[deep copper]

but i think that's just ue variables

[deep copper]

whatever i see in ue c++ docs

[foggy path]

heh

[deep copper]

it's a bit too long, what if i did a typo?

[foggy path]

I think the longest name in my current project is PlayerMovementAbilitiesComponent

[quasi mantle]

Requirement to type UKismetMathLibrary

[quasi mantle]

Copy paste it lmao

[zinc matrix]

Seems frustrating though, especially when debugging and blueprints piss me off enough when they don't work

[quasi mantle]

Or let Intellisense do its thing

[foggy path]

Yeah I mean if you made a typo the compiler will nag about it which saves you some time compared to some other languages

[quasi mantle]

And that's a low bar according to others

[foggy path]

IDE's are really handy though since they help you get the names and such right for sure

[deep copper]

i suppose i will figure out a way IF i ever get into it

[zinc matrix]

Yeah see, that's the kinda shit that makes me wanna blow my brains out

[foggy path]

You'll be glad to hear that debugging in C++ works significantly better than in blueprints :)

[zinc matrix]

but Notepad++ is lighter

[zinc matrix]

How so?

[quasi mantle]

Notepad++ doesn't compile code.

[zinc matrix]

pass it to Vim

[foggy path]

The C++ debugger is actually reliable in displaying the values in your variables correctly, which is something the BP debugger almost never does, the stepping functionality also works more reliably in my experience than it does with BP's

[zinc matrix]

hjkl

[deep copper]

that's gotta be a lifesaver

[cursive crypt]

Vim?

[quasi mantle]

Haha bash terminal meme funny

GNU nano or go home

[zinc matrix]

does it not compile too?

[foggy path]

I use a Vim plugin in the Rider IDE :)

It's very nice

[quasi mantle]

Vim is a text editor lmao

[zinc matrix]

But C++ is still ultimately hard to learn, isn't it?

[deep copper]

notepad is lighter, without ++

[cursive crypt]

Vim can compile in a sense you can call the shell from it.

[zinc matrix]

i took so long to set shortcuts of shell scripts on mine

then i ditched and returned to windows

[cursive crypt]

Aaand, MSVC, etc. can listen.

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix depends on your previous programming experience, it has some things which may be a bit hard to grasp for complete beginners at first, but it's not prohibitively difficult

[zinc matrix]

Sigh...FUCK

[quasi mantle]

Also getting started with C++ is not that difficult, and by the time you have to worry about more precise malloc stuff, you're already way ahead of getting started

[deep copper]

tldr, if you already know a language other is a bit faster, btw, if you know something else, bp becomes also easier to grasp

[zinc matrix]

but actually, if it was not for the strange copy and paste and other normal shortcut that you do in GNU and Windows, Vim is pretty neat and light

[cursive crypt]

c++ and malloc in the same sentence... 😬

[zinc matrix]

The whole reason I started in Unreal was to escape the pressure of coding a game without prior experience

[quasi mantle]

I know it's more of C thing, but eh, made the point across.

[deep copper]

ue just redefined coding, "you aren't coding, you are giving instructions to the engine about what to do with nodes"

[zinc matrix]

i do not know why people think visual scripting is not coding at the first instance

[cursive crypt]

It is great default text editor.

[quasi mantle]

It's because no constant typing hehehehe

[deep copper]

tbf, typing is sometimes faster than connecting nodes

even if there are 50 typos

[zinc matrix]

and the background is crazy too, the developer is still on it even after NeoVim 😄

[quasi mantle]

Also make spaghetti less obvious ;)

[deep copper]

yeah,

[quasi mantle]

BP spaghetti is in your face, in comparison

[deep copper]

finding stuff is easier in a colorful bp environment

[cursive crypt]

Background? You mean the story of Vim? Also NeoVim might be pop, but not so much.
In our company we use heavily Vim and haven't heard anyone to use NeoVim e.g.
Nor somebody of my friends.

[quasi mantle]

Well, text editors with syntax highlighting is also colourful

[deep copper]

its not in a 2d space though, it's in a 1d space

[quasi mantle]

Though for Unreal C++, they usually have no idea how to highlight Unreal typenames.

[zinc matrix]

yeah, i meant story wise... i am not a coder myself but as far i read, NeoVim is way more capable as has less bugs

but again, for me using it with csound was just nice

[cursive crypt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc matrix]

i could even play with it before firing startx

[quasi mantle]

It's 1D space if you consolidate all the lines like it's a web programming language

Minification (or rather obfuscation) is more useful with web because the codes are not precompiled.

[deep copper]

oh no no, that's way worse, i mean like, in bp you scroll practically on a 2d thing, finding stuff is easier there, but text is just up and down, no 2nd axis involved

[quasi mantle]

(at least with usual suspects like PHP, CSS, and JS)

[quasi mantle]

Disable word wrapping and type long lines, and you have horizontal scroll

[foggy path]

PHP? Obfuscation? Huh?

[quasi mantle]

Not as in C code obfuscation, but minification into single line to save some download size

[deep copper]

you use some third party to make code into 1 line with no indent or extra space and remove long variable names

but you should already know more on this

[zinc matrix]

I mean like I know visual scripting is coding, but I was hoping it'd be just as efficient as C++

[quasi mantle]

And that count as obfuscation to me, even if it's less exotic

[zinc matrix]

And now you guys are saying it's not

[deep copper]

it is, for html5 games i think at times

[zinc matrix]

after you build your game it is very on pair

but in editor you may suffer

[foggy path]

Not with PHP because PHP executes on server and the client never sees one bit of it

[quasi mantle]

It kind of is, you really have to be stubborn with the code for BP to take a hit. But doing the same thing in C++ cost less as it doesn't go through BP's virtual machine (as in real time interpreter), just like any scripting language

[quasi mantle]

Oh right, my bad.

[zinc matrix]

Sigh

[quasi mantle]

In the end, what matters more is get your gameplay going first

[foggy path]

BP performance is entirely adequate for a lot of stuff

[zinc matrix]

So what? Should I just stop working on my game until I learn C++?

[foggy path]

I wouldn't worry about it unless you are currently experiencing a performance issue as a result of BP

[quasi mantle]

Continue working on it, and learn C++ on other time or when you're good at BPing

[foggy path]

You can easily add C++ functions into your BP based code too - it's quite easy to create blueprint function libraries, which allows you to easily do that

This is probably a fairly good method of getting into adding some C++ code if you're new to it

[quasi mantle]

Also BP is not that offensive per frame. Just make sure not to abuse Event Tick and you're good to go.

[deep copper]

so switch out the costly bp parts with c++ right?

[foggy path]

^yeah this is one way to go about it if you run into issues

the reason I started adding C++ was because I kept finding things I wanted to do were possible, just not in blueprints :P

so I added a function library in C++ to let me call those bits from BP's, and then I just started adding more C++ in general

[deep copper]

i recall going through quite some pain to make an ingame file picking going

[zinc matrix]

Well what kind of game are you making?

[deep copper]

and now i forgot why i was even doing that and how i resolved it

[quasi mantle]

In my case it's an action RPG, and I had day night cycle going. I sideload the job of updating the time to C++ so that it's not taking up huge chunk of my frame time.

[zinc matrix]

I'm gonna guess most of you guys had coding experience prior to when you started Unreal, right?

[deep copper]

i didn't, i later got it, came back to ue, boom, everything makes sense

[foggy path]

One's a retro fps thingy and the other is a sort of a first person tape rental store simulator game

[zinc matrix]

Idk, guess I'm just a lazy fuck, I struggle balancing my time to work on my game anyway

[quasi mantle]

Well, I did, I started out by modding as a kid (7 years old), then learning C++ basics two years later.

But that huge time span is kinda cheating, because I lost access to computers throughout first half of 2010s.

[foggy path]

I'd probably been programming like close to 20 years before I started UE :p

[zinc matrix]

In other words, not applicable to me, got it

[zinc matrix]

Also not applicable to me

[foggy path]

lol

[quasi mantle]

It's not too late to start.

[foggy path]

Yeah I mean if you wanna learn it go for it

[deep copper]

time management is hard yeah, if you already have other work, i didn't had other work back when i got into coding

[foggy path]

But honestly if you can make stuff work with BP's and you want to focus more on making a game than learning C++... then sticking with BP's seems fine to me

[zinc matrix]

Just feels like backtracking and I had a horrible experience trying to learn Python; I literally got a headache every time I tried learning it and it's supposed to be beginner friendly

[deep copper]

did you read official docs?

other sites are kinda... bad

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, professional programmers may make bank, but they seem fucking miserable for the most part

[quasi mantle]

Again, I'm saying that I learn C++ almost 15 years ago is kinda lying, I had no access to computers for 5 years and basically starting C/C++ again since the last 4 years or so.

[zinc matrix]

Idk, I'd probably be miserable doing it

[foggy path]

I dunno they seem mostly fine to me :P

[quasi mantle]

I basically lost many memory of programming throughout that 5 year gap.

[deep copper]

programming seems too stressful to me, which is why i left it, respect for those that can pull it off without going crazy

[foggy path]

I don't really know what's so stressful about it lol

[fleet tangle]

I'm quite happy. 😛

[zinc matrix]

Well I'm just projecting then

[foggy path]

hehe

[quasi mantle]

Oh, do I go insane on it at times

[foggy path]

there are certainly a lot of people complaining about all kinds of shit when it comes to programming

so it's easy to get that picture that people hate it or something

[quasi mantle]

Especially back when I had web programming gig, with Laravel

That was a nightmare

[foggy path]

but it's the usual thing on the internet where people just complain a lot :P

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing your $200k salary in my face, I get it

[foggy path]

the ones who have nothing to complain about aren't posting so you don't see them

Majority of programmers also make nowhere near 200k :P

100k+ salaries is a US thing

[quasi mantle]

But I go insane with web development more than doing C/C++

[zinc matrix]

Exactly

And I live in the US

[uneven minnow]

Also, programmers making FAANG salaries - it's not necessarily programming that they might be unhappy about, but the environment, the tools, the dependencies, bureaucracy or how their performance is measured.

[deep copper]

100k monthly or annually? 🤔

[zinc matrix]

Programmers make me feel emasculated

[quasi mantle]

I also went into web programming gig pretty much against my own will

[fleet tangle]

I'd love a $200k salary!

[zinc matrix]

Well whatever, I only make $30k and I'm 24

[deep copper]

noted

[foggy path]

30k at 24 is pretty good tbh. Depends on where you live specifically I guess

[fleet tangle]

It's not too bad if you have good work benefits like health insurance, etc.

[zinc matrix]

Also I know you guys are advocating C++ but damn, it feels like I'd be backtracking when I just wanna work on my fucking game

[foggy path]

I made around 30k usd in my earlier jobs

[uneven minnow]

I think everyone should learn a very fundamental and basic level of programming - there are visual methods of learning that help establish concepts, which I think are just good to know, particularly when it comes to communicating with technical people. Don't need to get deep on c++ or python

[zinc matrix]

But no, gotta add another motherfucking chore to my list

[foggy path]

I've said it several times that if you find BP works for you then use BP

:D

[fleet tangle]

That sounds legit, @uneven minnow

[foggy path]

You ain't gonna gain anything from C++ unless you have some specific reason for using it

[fleet tangle]

Also, have you ever watched Legit? Great series.

[quasi mantle]

Nobody's forcing you to use C++. There are many UE4 games that run away with just BPs.

[zinc matrix]

I'm working on a side scroller, most people I've talked to seem to be using C++ for 3d planes

[quasi mantle]

That sounds nonsense.

[deep copper]

btw, python also has C based libraries, which switch out costly python code for C loops or something to speed up stuff

[quasi mantle]

Going through Unreal C++ just for 3D planes?

[deep copper]

but, python users only use python, without paying attention to underlying C

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix yeah I mean if it works it works... I had an entirely playable version of my shooter project without any C++, with basic gameplay you might expect from such a game

[deep copper]

and it's okay 99.9% times

[foggy path]

Majority of the functionality I've added since would work entirely fine in pure BP as well

in my video rental store game I have some more complex bits which would be a bit annoying in BP's, but would still be possible :P

[zinc matrix]

I know, sorry, coding is just hot button for me because I sucked when I tried learning python, I struggled with it in high school and college, both of which I had hardass teachers for, and my best friend's dad is a programmer and can be agressive about promoting it

[uneven minnow]

That's okay. That's not necessarily your fault - it's important to understand that there's several ways to teach, and several ways to learn the same thing. And it's important to identify the method you best learn from.

[deep copper]

if you can't grasp programming, it's not your fault, trust me

[foggy path]

honestly it sounds like you maybe have just a poor expectation of it from the start

[zinc matrix]

He basically pressured my friend into majoring in programming when he didn't like it

[foggy path]

adults who try learning new things often struggle with it purely from a mental perspective, and not necessarily because they are "too dumb" for it

but they easily feel that they are too dumb for it because they don't understand why they feel they're struggling with it

[zinc matrix]

But gotta sell your soul to some corporate piece of shit by doing something you hate for the almighty dollar, right?

[fleet tangle]

@zinc matrix you know some arseholes, for sure, but programming is fun - if you have the mentality for it. Just need a good tutorial.

[quasi mantle]

There's also concerns of not having enough time to learn as an adult.

[quasi mantle]

Not really.

[deep copper]

yeah, the way you have been learning it or looking at it was probably just making it hard on you, again, you don't need it to grow with BP, i never used C++ anyway but again i am not a dev

[zinc matrix]

Well maybe not as much in Indonesia, but here in the US you do

[foggy path]

I work for an online advertising tech company, make what you will of selling my soul

[quasi mantle]

For one, it's a personal thing. I quit web & mobile development even if they realistically pay more than game devs.

And last time I did video editing and virtual production, they treat me like shit

[zinc matrix]

Yep, I just hate how programmers look down on people who don't make as much as them, it's like they're basically saying they're a genius and everyone else is an idiot

[quasi mantle]

Even I didn't get a chance to do R&D with Unreal virtual production at the company I used to work with

[deep copper]

woa i never met such rude programmers, thank god

[foggy path]

I think the word you're looking for is assholes look down on others

[uneven minnow]

I think you could just take it a step back, and think about programming as a tool for solving certain types of problems. Some people really like using that tool, and some people don't. But for the people that do, it's usually because there was a particular problem that they saw someone else solve with programming, and they wanted to both imitate, but customize for their particular use case. I'd say if you have a tendency or interest to solve problems across any dimension, and come across a problem that you care enough about that programming is uniquely suited to solve - it'll probably be that, that draws you in.

[quasi mantle]

At the very least they could've give me more time into developing template for Live VP in Unreal, but nope.

[uneven minnow]

But until then, my feedback would be to dial back the rhetoric that "all programmers hate their lives, even if they make bank." That's kind of a toxic way of looking at something that has a ton of nuance.

[deep copper]

this basically, so far you can do it all with BP right? if you have any part that needs C++, only then look into it, otherwise i see no reason. and BP has grown over the years, it has nearly all the features now

[fleet tangle]

I've always that you sohuldn't just "learn programming" - you have to have a goal.

[quasi mantle]

Or a fun excuse to learn it.

[uneven minnow]

Right - need inertia and purpose to get going.

[deep copper]

exactly, i met a guy who was always like "try kotlin" but i saw no reason and then he got mad :/

[fleet tangle]

Lol.

[quasi mantle]

If it weren't for my machinima project, I wouldn't have learn myself Control Rig and improving the materials, which benefits my game that also happens to have anime material style.

[uneven minnow]

That guy should've showed off something super cool with Kotlin to hook you.

[deep copper]

yeah lol

[foggy path]

Super cool in Kotlin? I mean that's just a flavor of Java so there's not gonna be anything unless you're really into enterprise software

[zinc matrix]

I guess really, I just feel pressured to get a higher paying job here in the US even if I hate it because you know... we're the only developed country without universal healthcare and I don't want to go into crippling medical debt from an inevitable emergency

[quasi mantle]

And I actually have fun doing it in my machinima project because it involves my waifus, and not just something I create.

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix time to move out, I hear Canada's nice

[quasi mantle]

Safe to say it goes with any kind of creative skills.

[zinc matrix]

Medical expenses are the #1 cause of debt here in the US

[fleet tangle]

Russia technically has free healthcare. Defect!

[foggy path]

^lol

[zinc matrix]

Nah, I wanna go to Denmark

[foggy path]

I hear Finland is nice but I may be biased

[zinc matrix]

Seems less fucked up than Canada or Russia

[zinc matrix]

You from Finland?

[foggy path]

Possibly

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of foreign countries, I'm thinking about Japan or Germany.

[zinc matrix]

Then count your blessing you don't have to worry about medical debt

[uneven minnow]

There's plenty of high paying jobs that have nothing to do with programming. You just need to walk the path of figuring out what you like doing, what you're good at, and what you can continue improving on that aligns with what employers care about.

[fleet tangle]

You'd do well in Japan, I think, Makoto.

[foggy path]

I count them daily

[zinc matrix]

You say that now until Godzilla shows up

[deep copper]

their reasoning was that is better than Java i think

[foggy path]

I wonder what happened with that recent 7 richter earthquake I heard about

[quasi mantle]

Well, I dreamed to go to Japan one day.

Probably as easy as Nick Robinson book a ticket to Japan.

[foggy path]

Apparently Tokyo was having a big blackout

[quasi mantle]

The last year's earthquake?

[foggy path]

No this was just a few days ago

[quasi mantle]

Oh shit
I missed the news again

[fleet tangle]

Had a friend who'd booked a trip to Japan. Spent about 4 grand prebooking all this shit he wanted to do. Then covid hit and he lost most of it.

[zinc matrix]

I can guess why

[deep copper]

Canada has issues too? i thought it was peaceful

[foggy path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spinning-ultraman-12CG3zRhS63JJu

[quasi mantle]

Ouch, Fukushima again :(

[foggy path]

but yeah I don't think Canada's particularly fucked either 🤔

[fleet tangle]

If you don't like maple syrup and ice hockey, you just get booted out of Canada, brother1.

[zinc matrix]

Not anymore apparently https://amp.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3167701/canadian-police-end-siege-sweep-through-streets

[quasi mantle]

FWIW every country have slew of geopolitical issues

[foggy path]

I think they handled the covid protests well in Canada... as well as they could I guess

That's just one instance of idiots being idiots, I wouldn't say the whole country is now ruined

We had covidiots in Finland doing this shit too but on a smaller scale

[fleet tangle]

What were they protesting about?

[zinc matrix]

Well whatever

[deep copper]

i love everything nearly

[zinc matrix]

I'm tired of America

Once my parents croak, I oughta sell the house and move to Denmark

[foggy path]

@fleet tangle they wanted fuel cost to be halved, all covid measures dropped, and the government to be replaced

They gave up after a few days

[fleet tangle]

Do you know Danish, strivvy?

[foggy path]

lol

[deep copper]

aw :(

[zinc matrix]

Eh, I can learn on the fly

[fleet tangle]

Lmao. Because that'll happen.

[foggy path]

My thoughts exactly lol

[fleet tangle]

Covid is pretty useful for learning Danish. It's basically a combination of coughs and sneezes.

[foggy path]

It was such a tragicomic event

They were supposed to bring trucks to blockade Helsinki

[quasi mantle]

That was early days of COVID right?

[uneven minnow]

If that's true, and you're a true learner of languages (but, like not programming languages) - there are definitely jobs that pay well in excess of $200k for that type of linguistics ability 🙂

[fleet tangle]

Yeah, just before it broke, makoto.

[zinc matrix]

Man, I'm really bitter today

[foggy path]

But a lot of them got caught driving under the influence before they reached Helsinki

[zinc matrix]

Don't most Danes know English though?

[foggy path]

and the ones who did reach Helsinki were told to fuck off by the police, because they need a special permit to bring big rigs into downtown Helsinki which they of course didn't have lol

[quasi mantle]

Ouch, that really sucks :(

[fleet tangle]

They should have just coughed on them, zomg.

@zinc matrix yeah, pretty much. Basically most places known English to some extent. You just need to avoid the isolationists who won't talk to you unless you're a local.

[zinc matrix]

I'll admit it, I'm just jealous of a lot of you guys

[quasi mantle]

My destination if I go to Japan is first (obviously) Akihabara.

I want to geek out as hard as I can in Akiba.

[zinc matrix]

You're smarter, richer, and more productive than me

[quasi mantle]

Except me.

[deep copper]

why?

[fleet tangle]

I'm not all that productive. It's the middle of my work day and I'm chatting on Discord.

[zinc matrix]

Bullshit; you've been learning code at age 7

[uneven minnow]

Do what I did - jealousy and imposter syndrome funnel into deep, focused learning, experimentation, and discovery - until people somehow become jealous and afraid of their jobs, because of you.

[quasi mantle]

I'm anything but rich (for now)

[foggy path]

honestly the biggest problem seems to be you keep comparing yourself to others Strivvy, instead of what you can do to improve over yourself

[quasi mantle]

But then I lost access to computers for 5 years, so that's kinda lying

[foggy path]

I didn' t learn programming since I was 7 and I'm still pretty good ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi mantle]

I basically restarting at the age of 17

[foggy path]

I was learning to play the keyboard as well but I'm pretty bad at it

and I started at like 30

lol

[zinc matrix]

I've also been watching a lot of the Amazing Atheist lately and I agree with many of his points, but he's definitely vulgar and aggressive

[fleet tangle]

I've always wanted to be able to sing, zomg.

[deep copper]

"the only person you should try to be better than is the person you were yesterday"

[quasi mantle]

I started to learn drums just a couple years ago (and even then I haven't practiced more consistently)

[fleet tangle]

Drums is a difficult one. You can't really learn properly without making a lot of noise...

[zinc matrix]

Just pissed so much shit to worry about

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix personally I tend to find that people who are vulgar and aggressive are not really the best sources for learning anything

[quasi mantle]

Inspired by the likes of Steve Gadd, Akira Jimbo, Dave Lombardo

[deep copper]

i couldn't carry my flute everywhere so i whistle instead, i have gotten better in just a few months

[zinc matrix]

What about my game?
What about financial security?
What about preparing for the incoming climate disaster?
What about doing something that actually helps people in need?

[verbal junco]

ah yes.... who? 🤔

[foggy path]

You seem to be in some amount of need yourself, I'd focus on helping yourself first

[fleet tangle]

John Carmack is the true hero.

[foggy path]

You can't help others if you feel like shit

[quasi mantle]

Well, at least electronic drum kit reduced the noise compared to acoustic ones

[quasi mantle]

Help yourself first.

[uneven minnow]

Yep, the airplane oxygen mask analogy of putting the mask on yourself before putting it on others.

[fleet tangle]

I'm not a drummer, but I can't help but think it's just not the same

[deep copper]

as long as it makes a sound

[quasi mantle]

Jazz drummers (except Dave Lombardo is a thrash metal drummer)

[foggy path]

I think with regards to helping others... There's a lot of this "I have to make a big impact" mentality to it

"I have to donate a lot of money"

or whatever

but like.. 5 dollars is better than 0 dollars

don't have to make a big gesture

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, because the truth is as passionate as I am about my game, it ultimately won't help as many people objectively than say, idk, joining the Peace Corps or protesting against climate change, or whatever

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's not the same (for one, no side stick), but at least it could help practicing movement and rhythm techniques.

[uneven minnow]

We're also in a different era with social media, and it being very pointed where people's perceived success seems to be made public. What isn't often revealed is the journey they took to get there, along with what help they got along the way.

[fleet tangle]

True enough, makoto!

[foggy path]

Well it will still help more people than not making it

[uneven minnow]

I got a lot of help on my journey, and I let those who helped me know how much they've impacted me to where I am today.

[quasi mantle]

At least with making games, you could help someone escape from their darkest hours

[fleet tangle]

And there's a whole server of people here, and plenty of other help available, if you want to give programming another stab.

[zinc matrix]

But escaping a problem doesn't fix it and I can't help but keep thinking about this quote

[foggy path]

Btw for anyone in the US who is worried about their personal finances... I highly recommend Ramit Sethi's book "I will teach you to be rich".... Yeah the title is weird, but the book is very useful

[zinc matrix]

Or just do the smart thing and move to Europe

[foggy path]

It's not about getting rich quick schemes, but simple practical advice that will help you feel more secure with your financial future

Well the advice in the book still applies if you move to europe :)

[quasi mantle]

Not sure if moving to Europe is any better tbh

[fleet tangle]

At least you're further away from Trump. That has to be a bonus.

[zinc matrix]

Fuck those finance "gurus," they're all scammers and I'm speaking from personal experience

[foggy path]

Yeah that's why Ramit's book is different

[zinc matrix]

Free
Fucking
Healthcare

[fleet tangle]

Just because it's free doesn't mean it's good.

[deep copper]

if your dream isn't the right thing, you will never do the right thing. imo

[zinc matrix]

Still beats going into medical debt

[fleet tangle]

And you still gotta pay some towards it unless you're dirt poor.

That's true, I guess.

[quasi mantle]

Healthcare is kinda edge case scenario anyway.

[zinc matrix]

No shit

[foggy path]

I think I paid like 20 eur for a couple trips to the doc a while back

[zinc matrix]

Whatever

I'm just very stress-prone

[fleet tangle]

@foggy path do you not pay like a national insurance like the UK?

[zinc matrix]

I feel pressured about so many things

[deep copper]

that's okay, atleast you let it out of yourself

keeping it in is rather, troubling

[quasi mantle]

There, there, now have yourself hydrated

[fleet tangle]

You're not a child any more. Welcome to the real world. There are pressure you just have to deal with.

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/jjF2D6XqKPw

[foggy path]

No, it's just tax funded in general. There are small fees and I'm not entirely sure how it gets calculated, either way it's quite inexpensive and you can get financial aid from the government if you don't make much money

[fleet tangle]

That doesn't mean there's not help available.

[deep copper]

it seems like you watch a lot of stressful yt vids 😅

[quasi mantle]

NGL, I had more success sharing to online buddies than talk to RL friends

[zinc matrix]

Can anyone recommend somewhere to commission
Unreal Engine work 3D characters cheap?

[fleet tangle]

#volunteer-projects

[zinc matrix]

Just want a quick demo game

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix yeah this type of content is perfect for just making people angry

[quasi mantle]

See #instructions to post on job board channels

[zinc matrix]

Im willing to pay ~1k
But ppl so expensive haha

[deep copper]

irl people are impossible to talk with

[zinc matrix]

You know what? Even if taxes are higher, it's worth helping my fellow man in need than just saying, "ah well he's homeless and got cancer, so that just means he's too lazy to pull himself up by his bootstraps, let him rot"

[foggy path]

Yeah

[deep copper]

messages help settle down your thoughts and say it, also before the other cuts you off

[quasi mantle]

Not that it's impossible, but often more dismissive when met in person

[zinc matrix]

The main issue is that taxes dont go to the homeless guy who needs the money

[quasi mantle]

Except tax corruption exists.

[uneven minnow]

Something I remember coming across years ago was this idea to keep your sphere of concern within a healthy overlap of your sphere of impact. Being concerned about things you ultimately have no control over is an easy way to just get consumed with exercises in futility.

[zinc matrix]

Here in the US? Definitely, but idk about Europe though

[zinc matrix]

Nothing's perfect

[fleet tangle]

The problem with rl is, it's harder to be yourself. And that's equally true of the person you're talking to - it's hard for them to respond appropriately to what you're saying in any given situation.

[zinc matrix]

But Denmark definitely seems less stressful overall than America

[quasi mantle]

In my country, taxes felt like it went nowhere but old bastard in a suit's stomaches.

[zinc matrix]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we have a second civil war soon

It feels inevitable at this point

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3awSn_ssl4

[fleet tangle]

You think your government would allow that?

They'd drone strike anyone who got that uppity.

[zinc matrix]

But even if it does happen, us teeming masses are just gonna get poorer while the weapons companies line their pockets more

[uneven minnow]

I would be. I think there is a small, but vocal minority of people who lead others into thinking that a large swath of the population is as fucked up as they think. I think the majority of people don't have the capacity to care about broader issues, when they're mostly concerned with their lives and family.

Which, to me, explains why the majority still don't vote.

[quasi mantle]

Well, if you made it better in Denmark, that's good.

[fleet tangle]

Tbh, the majority don't vote because they just don't care.

[quasi mantle]

At the moment it's all "just what it seems to be" until you have your citizenship there.

[fleet tangle]

It's not about capacity, it's about motivation.

[uneven minnow]

I think apathy is part of it, but it's also just a lack of bandwidth to care - there are plenty of people living paycheck to paycheck.

[deep copper]

check out the site 7 cups if you ever need people that listen to problems btw ^^

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/iN2LZ8N2uj0

[quasi mantle]

There's no way of knowing the geopolitics until you go there yourself.

[quasi mantle]

I hope that's not a shock site

I had known nasty memes myself 😭

[unreal ether]

It does sound like it lmao

[deep copper]

it's a mental health volunteer based community

[quasi mantle]

Maybe you should watch some wholesome YT videos.

I personally watched tech and music related videos on YT.

[fleet tangle]

There are some super wholesome anime out there.

[deep copper]

yeah you have been sharing tons of trigger vids so far

i guess that's what keeps you feeling so on the edge

[quasi mantle]

Does it apply worldwide?
The ones I found on google often regional (mostly limited to US, EU, or AUS/NZ)

[zinc matrix]

You're probably right

I mean yeah

[deep copper]

yes,

[zinc matrix]

The world's fucked anyway

We're all gonna die

[quasi mantle]

Take a load off.

[zinc matrix]

Might as well have fun making a game

Feels hypocritical of me though since my game is about a superhero

[deep copper]

you can either listen to other's problems or talk about yours 1 on 1, or in group, anonymously or even share info, but it's a rule to never share info outside of the convo

there are also guides on how to deal with your own problems or listen to others better with guides

[zinc matrix]

I guess I could both work on my game and do some charitable work, but I need to manage my time better

[deep copper]

on specific topics

[quasi mantle]

Just remember, small steps is better than nothing at all.

[zinc matrix]

Yeah

[deep copper]

don't take a huge leap, also, it's the feeling that counts sometimes, feelings are contagious

[quasi mantle]

Appreciate every small progress you made.

[zinc matrix]

Just gotta accept there's no ethical consumption under capitalism

[quasi mantle]

Pat yourself in the back because you have it working.

[deep copper]

and most importantly, appreciate yourself, you are being too harsh on yourself always, too strict

[foggy path]

I think you need to stop watching that Atheist guy lol

[quasi mantle]

And start watching videos on synthesizers

[foggy path]

Yes.

[quasi mantle]

It's theraputic to watch videos on 80s/90s synths ngl

[zinc matrix]

Except I don't; most of you guys are much further than me in your games and know C++ while I'm still struggling with a fucking grappling hook system for months on end when I bet you guys could do all of it within an hour

[unreal ether]

Yeah if you keep watching doom and gloom youre just gonna think about doom and gloom

[unreal ether]

Grappling hooks are no easy feat

[deep copper]

again, don't compare to others, compare to your past self

[unreal ether]

And you can only get exoerience by learning

[quasi mantle]

Oh, I don't. I still had issues with my own grappling hook systems.

[deep copper]

I can't ride a bicycle or tell apart ducka and goose

[foggy path]

If you keep programming for 20 more years and you're still at this same point as you are today

[unreal ether]

I wouldnt even know where to start with grapples

[foggy path]

I will allow you to feel pissed off at that point

[zinc matrix]

And when I'm not pressuring myself about the progress of my game, I'm worrying about what I should do to help fight problems that actually matter, even though I'm as powerless as a limbless ant

[quasi mantle]

And I have to be honest:

Most I get with C++ in the context of my game is just making editor tools and porting BP code over, for a sky.

[zinc matrix]

Well that takes the edge off somewhat

[foggy path]

Stop watching that shit on YT seriously.

[quasi mantle]

All the characters and majority of the gameplays are still in BP.

[foggy path]

stop following those people on social media who talk about that stuff

[deep copper]

btw, i was on a subreddit some months back, "humansBeingBros" i think? it was very wholesome, i used to think every human is selfish before

[quasi mantle]

I have a potato computer, and compiling C++ took more time than assembling BPs.

Not to mention I don't use Hot Reload.

[zinc matrix]

But yeah you guys are probably right

[foggy path]

Hot Reload is great for breaking everything

so yeah don't use HR

:P

[deep copper]

i suggest you surround yourself with equal positive as much as negetive you have

[zinc matrix]

I just feel if I'm gonna wear this S, I gotta live up to it

[quasi mantle]

I learned my lesson, never again!

[foggy path]

And yeah seriously the social media thing... pay attention to it

Many people I followed on twitter used to post shit that just riled me up

[unreal ether]

BuT iT wOrKs In UnItY

[foggy path]

and it just annoyed me and I'd just post some snarky response because it annoyed me

[zinc matrix]

Fuck Unity

[foggy path]

but I stopped following those people

and like magic I was feeling much less annoyed at everyone :P

[zinc matrix]

Am I being too toxic right now?

[tulip orbit]

I have got a lot of positive to catch up on then

[quasi mantle]

Same, I had few buddies in the anime circle on Twitter posting infuriating stuff. Thankfully the home feed still dominated with Idolmaster and Unreal Engine stuff

[foggy path]

Basically every time I see someone post or RT something now that makes me feel annoyed I consider if I remember seeing that person having posted something that I LIKED

if I can't remember them posting something like that ---> bye

[unreal ether]

If you look for reasons to be stressed and pissed off, then you will find them

Enjoy the world for what it is, instead of what it isnt

[deep copper]

also, zomg said something about spending 20 years in programming and then complaining you haven't moved after it, which is true, see your time as skill points in a game, if you haven't invested them enough as the other, ofc you won't be there, you invested it in something else meanwhile, be proud of that investment, also, remember, most people here are older than you, they have way more skill points

[quasi mantle]

You Only Live Once.

[zinc matrix]

At least I can take comfort knowing that no matter how much evil there is in the world, there will always be heroes, even if the odds are against them

[unreal ether]

Yup, theres a lot of bad shit out there. But you start to look around you and notice theres a hell of a lot of good shit too

[deep copper]

start with better meals

[foggy path]

I think a lot of shit is fucked but I can't do anything about most of it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I started donating some money to charities because that's a simple thing I can do

[zinc matrix]

Just wanna get my fucking game out there

[deep copper]

you eventually will, it's not a question of will actually, it's a question of when

[quasi mantle]

If you struggle with one mechanics, rewire the game.

You can use it again at later time.

[tulip orbit]

that requires cooking tho! I'm lazy!

[unreal ether]

Yeah, if the grapple really beats you down, not every superhero game needs a grapple

[foggy path]

and yeah of course every time I say I donated money to charity some idiot comes in talking about how charities are a scam blah blah, but even if a small amount of the money goes to where it should it's still better than 0 :P

[deep copper]

try fork in a socket

jk don't

[zinc matrix]

But no, I can't even use the main thing that made me want to use Unreal in the first place, I have to take the harder and more frustrating way

[unreal ether]

Make your game around your abilities, then start branching out when you have some experience

[foggy path]

Why is that a problem though?

[zinc matrix]

The harder and more frustrating way which my friend's dad pushed on him

[tulip orbit]

better tools to use than a fork, am/was electrician

[foggy path]

Some things are hard and frustrating

But with effort you can get past

[zinc matrix]

Cuz I'm pissed off enough as is

[foggy path]

Why is something being hard and frustrating pissing you off though?

[deep copper]

weren't you a hardware store?

person

[unreal ether]

Gamedev aint easy, it never will be.
It takes some blood sweat and tears to make something you can be proud of in the end sometimes

[quasi mantle]

Also don't stop on hard things. If you stuck on that one hard thing, move on to easier things.

[zinc matrix]

Gee, why would something that's hard and frustrating piss someone off?

[tulip orbit]

am now, stock shelves. too tired to cook when I get home, too tired to gamedev

[foggy path]

For someone learning to do something hard it generally wouldn't elicit a reaction that one would describe as being pissed off

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, but why should I exert more bodily fluids than I have to?

[quasi mantle]

It's like taking a school test where you spend majority of the time scrambling on one problem, and then you have not enough time to finish problems that are actually easier.

[unreal ether]

Ive made a game recently that has made me have my fair share of late nights, frustrating experiences, and near give-ups. But that comes with the territory

[foggy path]

Someone would only feel pissed off for learning something hard if they assumed it was going to be easy

[cursive crypt]

What is this all hours-long complain going on? 🤔

[zinc matrix]

You use C++?

[cursive crypt]

Less talk, more cookies guys.

[unreal ether]

That was an 2d game in native c++ yeah, and boy did it nearly make me cry

[zinc matrix]

Well no wonder; use blueprints instead

[unreal ether]

But its still a damn sight easier than a lot of stuff in blueprints

[deep copper]

see problems as a gift, once solved you get a reward, we have a tendency to view them as obstacles. while not easy, this might excite you when you get stuck, just don't get too excited

[unreal ether]

But again sometimes you cant avoid learning the hard things. For my use case i had no other option as i wasnt using an engine

[quasi mantle]

I guess the only thing left here is an insurance of one of us making released games with just BP

[zinc matrix]

What are you talking about? How is having stronger visual aids to see the sequence of your code harder than scrolling through a huge wall of text that you have to spend YEARS beforehand to understand anyway?

[unreal ether]

So far my game in ue4 is entirely bp apart from migrating some structs to c++ which took around 2 mins

[quasi mantle]

Unfortunately I bailed out from last year's Epic MegaJam because of external factor.

[unreal ether]

Things are as advanced as you make them, a lit of blueprint systems can be harder to make than c++ systems

[quasi mantle]

And that was BP only.

The thing that hampered me was my potato and constant power outage before moving away

[unreal ether]

At the end of the day, they just look different, the logic is the same

[zinc matrix]

I guess I'm impatient; I just hate having to take extra steps

[quasi mantle]

I should've taken more relaxed game jams tbh

[quasi mantle]

Be patient.

Rome sure wasn't built in a day.

[unreal ether]

Oh you will definitely have to take some extra steps sometimes in gamedev, but dont let that dissuade you

[deep copper]

game dev is a battle with patience

[quasi mantle]

And determination

[deep copper]

...and financial support...

[zinc matrix]

So basically you guys are unanimously saying I should learn C++?

[unreal ether]

The only stress around making that game is stress you have imposed. You havent got a boss that wants a deadline. You are setting artificial limits, who cares if it takes you an extra month to make a grapple

[quasi mantle]

That's not what we said.

[deep copper]

use BP

[unreal ether]

Never said that

I said sometimes you have to take extra steps

[quasi mantle]

I did not use Unreal C++ until 2 years of exclusively BP.

[unreal ether]

Which you definitely have to do in bp as welll

[unreal ether]

Same here

[deep copper]

BP is much faster, easier, elss frustrating for your use case

[zinc matrix]

Yeah

[deep copper]

why be a masochist

[fleet tangle]

I feel bad for you.

[zinc matrix]

Idk

[unreal ether]

At the end if the day though, if the stress is too much, dont prioritise a game iver your mental wellbeing

[zinc matrix]

Too late

[quasi mantle]

Bailing out is an option btw

[unreal ether]

You can always revisit a game idea, it will wait. No point losing your sanity over it. If youre too far in to quit, try to learn how to stop imposing these deadlines on yourself

[zinc matrix]

Not if I want to bring my characters and world to life

[unreal ether]

If all gamedev is doing is causing you pain, then it likely isnt worth doing

[zinc matrix]

It's not tbh

[quasi mantle]

You can bring it to life by writing books.

[zinc matrix]

Won't make as much money though

[quasi mantle]

Sure, it's a bunch of text, but it'll sure come alive in reader's imagination.

[deep copper]

if the process of making is no longer fun, and you aren't earning from it, you are probably not doing it in a healthy way, and you should definitely revist it with a fresh mind

[deep copper]

it can spread the heroic awareness more easily

[quasi mantle]

If it won't make as much money, do it part time.

[zinc matrix]

World's fucked anyway

[deep copper]

once it has enough traction "announcement, this story got a game based on it"

boom, free advertisement

[unreal ether]

Indie dev is extremely unlikely to make lots og money anyway. I make my games for the fun and challenge, the money is a bonus

[zinc matrix]

Nah, I mean I guess often I actually enjoy doing the coding itself once I'm into it, even if it can get frustrating, but it's when I'm not coding and I'm thinking ahead how frustrating it might be

[unreal ether]

You may also benefit from learning decomposition, which breaks 1 large problem into as many small ones as possible

[zinc matrix]

Like yeah, I got my grapple hook to retract, but FUCK, what about coding it to pick up objects?

[unreal ether]

Which is a lot easier to manage

[unreal ether]

Could always have the object attatch to the end, or have the object follow its location

[zinc matrix]

Then I have to go in this server and ask help from people who are annoyed with me and don't wanna help

[quasi mantle]

Again, if one mechanic you working on gave you roadblock, shift gear to another mechanics.

[unreal ether]

No ones annoyed when they help you

[zinc matrix]

And even when they do help, I'm too fucking dumb or inexperienced to understand what they're saying

[verbal junco]

the trick is to get into the industry as a game dev, and then also game dev on the side 😎

[unreal ether]

Woah! Thats like gamedev^2

If you dont understand the solution to a mechanic, then dont make it

[quasi mantle]

Work as game dev, do game dev on spare time, and do another game dev on spare spare time

[zinc matrix]

Sounds like a defeatist attitude

[unreal ether]

Woah! Ganedev^3

[quasi mantle]

Gamedev³

(though I maybe blame that to my moderate ADHD)

[verbal junco]

make a game about game devving so you can gamedev while you gamedev

gamedev^4

[unreal ether]

No its smart, if you arent experienced enough to make a mechanic, theb you have no way of understading how to fix it if it messes up, or how to adapt it

[quasi mantle]

It's not a defeatist, you tackle easier task to get further in your progress.

[unreal ether]

I wouldnt make mass actor serialization system for my first game cause id have no clue where to start.

[quasi mantle]

After all, grappling hook is a mean to navigate around, assuming it's Just Cause style of GH

[zinc matrix]

I often do this, but I bet someone would say I have to go through a course that goes over all the fundamentals of the engine day after fucking day before I can actually work on my game effectively

[unreal ether]

Scale your project to your experience

[verbal junco]

amateur 😎

[unreal ether]

No bulli :(

[verbal junco]

sorry

[quasi mantle]

"What did you say?"

[unreal ether]

If people keep reccomending you learn the fundamentals, then learn the fundamentals

[zinc matrix]

But they're so fucking dry to get through

[verbal junco]

it's almost as if fundamentals are relevant even much later on

[unreal ether]

Youre not doing yourself any favours by refusing the baby steps

[foggy path]

honestly this is just starting to sound like "I know what I need to do, but I don't want to"

:P

[quasi mantle]

Don't rush yourself if you can't commit to it full time.

[unreal ether]

And youre setting yourself up for faliure

[zinc matrix]

Meanwhile I got a million ideas buzzing around in my head

[verbal junco]

I'm still using principles for coding that I learned in the first year of my bachelor. can you believe it?!

[quasi mantle]

Write it down.
Put it in a draft.

[verbal junco]

there aren't enough kappa emojis for this message

[quasi mantle]

I have many story ideas, tbh, but most of them stays on my draft

[unreal ether]

Hell im still using basic syntax i learned when i wrote my first hello world

[quasi mantle]

cout >> "Hello World";

[unreal ether]

If you dont wanna learn dont be surprised when you cant do things

[verbal junco]

it's been at least 10 years since I learned to use {... and I STILL DO

[zinc matrix]

Yeah I guess you're right

[unreal ether]

Acksually you forgot the #include

[zinc matrix]

Is there any way to make the courses less boring though?

[verbal junco]

isn't it cout << "Hello World"?

[quasi mantle]

Oh shit, it is

[unreal ether]

Missed your semi colon there

[quasi mantle]

Goddamnit, I keep flipping things around

[unreal ether]

🚨 COMPILER ERROR 🚨

[verbal junco]

I know right, there's no way you could have known

[quasi mantle]

Listen to some music while you're doing the course. Don't be afraid to drift away a bit and experiment.

[verbal junco]

you're piping a string to cout is how I read it

[foggy path]

If learning something allows you to reach your goals then I'm not sure why it feels boring tbh.

[zinc matrix]

Idk, I'm an idiot

[quasi mantle]

Make fun excuses to learn new stuff

[zinc matrix]

This motherfucking grappling hook though

[verbal junco]

I remember doing exercises for myself when I first found out about derivatives and integrals

they were so much fun

[unreal ether]

I reckon you find yourself getting so frustrated cause you chucked yourself into a fairly advanced mechanic, without even learning your basics

Youll find once you learn itll come more naturally

[zinc matrix]

It's the core mechanic of my game and I still don't have it done

[unreal ether]

Forget the grapple for now

Hell forget making a full gane for now

[verbal junco]

classic

[unreal ether]

Learn the engine for a bit

[quasi mantle]

My machinima project is basically an entire fun excuse

[quasi mantle]

Put that aside, and work on other mechanics that are easier to do.

[unreal ether]

Ubderstand things better

Then revisit it

[zinc matrix]

Tbh I'm actually surprised how far I've gotten with it despite not knowing the fundamentals; though I did have a lot of help from tutorials and other people

[verbal junco]

I make games not because I want to

[quasi mantle]

Work on less involving mechanics like dashing or dodging.

[verbal junco]

but because I have to

lmao

I mean not even like that

[quasi mantle]

Don't forget to put rage comments somewhere in the code

[zinc matrix]

Ugh, and I still haven't tapped into the nightmare that is AI when I'll eventually need to code my bosses

[quasi mantle]

Just like how they used to do it back then

[verbal junco]

better yet, leave no comments in your code 😎 keep future-you guessing

[zinc matrix]

Hey, I leave comments

I'm not that dumb

[timber viper]

Reminds me of leaked CSGO source code

[quasi mantle]

// I don't like this crap but I get paid to do it anyway

[verbal junco]

ah yes, the classic "become one with the spaghetti" technique

[quasi mantle]

This

[timber viper]

// this is utterly fucking retarded

[fluid bloom]

got a new display, this thing has g-sync compatibility

165 Hz

the difference to 60 Hz is quite large 😄

[unreal ether]

I like the comments on the inverse square root algorithm in quake

[verbal junco]

welcome to... 2018?

[unreal ether]

Just // What the fuck

[timber viper]

Looks like CS devs are angry people

[verbal junco]

to be fair that was absolute black magic back then

[unreal ether]

Back then? Its still absolute black magic

[quasi mantle]

Admission:
I snook in a rage comment back when I do web dev gig using laravel

// Laravel is a piece of shit, why am I even dealing with this abomination

Something like that
I'm sure they already removed it by now lmao

[unreal ether]

How they figured that fuckery i dont know

[foggy path]

Only two instances of fuck in our codebase

[cursive crypt]

Congrats 👍

[verbal junco]

well yeah but nowadays we have better absolute black magic at home

[quasi mantle]

How that one hex value even came out

[verbal junco]

black magic 3.0

[timber viper]

This is my only fuck in my project

[verbal junco]

oh you think a junior wrote that? cute

[fleet tangle]

You reported that to Epic, right?

[timber viper]

That's what zoombapup told me

[unreal ether]

the bug or the programmer?

[quasi mantle]

Daily Ballad of Programmers

[verbal junco]

that's what they want you to think 😎

[zinc matrix]

So pissed

[verbal junco]

I'm pretty sure it's mieszko himself taking care of business

[timber viper]

Oh, it was a lie to hide the shame?

[quasi mantle]

Same way HBO (IIRC) blame the intern

I think it was HBO that did the mass mail incident

[verbal junco]

I'm not saying junior programmers can't be at fault. but if their code gets passed through a code review and committed... welllllllllllllllllll

[unreal ether]

pffft code review... we trust our juniors.... right?

[zinc matrix]

Well I better get back to work

Thanks for your input, guys

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/loop-infinite-gif-14889372

[quasi mantle]

But will they fire the juniors for it?

[verbal junco]

blaming juniors is sign of company decline

just FYI

[unreal ether]

i say fire the ceo every time the junior screws up, let the bigwigs know how it feels

[deep copper]

i go away for like 5 mins and i lost track of everything -_-

[queen nebula]

lol

[fleet tangle]

Fire the HRD.

[zinc matrix]

But fuck, there's so much to do

[verbal junco]

a junior can screw up but then at least don't let them commit their code ffs

[unreal ether]

so take it one at a time, as long as you need

[quasi mantle]

But the HRD is master of ghosting

[unreal ether]

but its more fun that way

[verbal junco]

I think this is epic's mentality

or at least it is the mentality of people writing the AI module

[deep copper]

it's all fun and games

[unreal ether]

lmao

[zinc matrix]

I just dread doing these dry-ass courses, especially given my ADD, often, I just wanna jump into my game, even if I have to experiment or ask for help

[quasi mantle]

I wonder if it's good for me to have policy where HRD must not ghosting on rejected candidate and send a no reply e-mail to them

[unreal ether]

its all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits

[zinc matrix]

But I guess I'm just spinning my wheels in the mud doing that, huh?

[unreal ether]

pretty much, youll get so far, but you will probably hit a wall

[quasi mantle]

Or rather jumping the gun

[unreal ether]

and it will be a painful wall

very spiky

[verbal junco]

today:

pooped on AI module

https://tenor.com/view/cross-out-people-to-kill-list-billy-madison-steve-buscemi-gif-17681422

[timber viper]

It was silly from the beginning

Bad planning

Bad implementation

Premature optimizations everywhere

[verbal junco]

yes but also 7 layers of typedef? why????

[quasi mantle]

You know what's pissing me as animator

Distance Matching plugin is literally nothing

[zinc matrix]

Well there's gotta be a way to make it faster and less boring

[quasi mantle]

And they said it'll be a thing in one talk about Paragon

[verbal junco]

on the other hand, mieszko loves his typedef....

[zinc matrix]

Also so far with the videos I have done in the course, they haven't really been helping me

It's not like they're coding the same shit I want to

[quasi mantle]

Epic said that Distance Matching plugin will be a thing in UE4

Well, it's nothing but empty C++ initializer code.

[verbal junco]

after having done my own AI I want to be able to conclude that AI shouldn't be that difficult to do

[timber viper]

I guess thats how Miezesko thought and let Juniors do low level stuff

u can do it man

[verbal junco]

let juniors do micro optimizations on the cpu. that's how they learn stuff

[quasi mantle]

You're going to use what you learned in your own code. It'll go back to it

[verbal junco]

what's this "proper architecture" stuff? nah we don't do that here

[deep copper]

it's like learning English or something , they may not be saying the stuff you want to, but you can form your sentences after you have gone though plenty examples

[zinc matrix]

Guess I just gotta accept it's a chore

[unreal ether]

if you hope to find all of the code for your game

1 - you probs wont
2 - if you do it likely wont be a very good game, since there is nothing original

[quasi mantle]

This, but in my case, I'm learning Japanese.

I didn't go through Japanese only games, but my motivation to at least playing Japanese games without translation is what got me going.

[unreal ether]

once you learn how to work the enigne, and how to think about code

[zinc matrix]

I hate chores

[quasi mantle]

Also YouTube tutorials on specific genre is often dodgy

[unreal ether]

you dont need to know how to program it, you just need to know how to break it down and figure it out

[verbal junco]

oof. I'm a diehard NIH fanatic. copying code is cringe

well, mostly

I'm not gonna write my own engine

[quasi mantle]

"Do you even Stack Overflow bro?"

[verbal junco]

well no, I don't have to 😎

[unreal ether]

i found my uni assignment on stack overflow the other night lmao

[verbal junco]

best part about this

I'm not even working as a programmer

[quasi mantle]

Well, I only rely on SO for my pure C++ projects lol

[timber viper]

Stackoverflow sometimes useful even for UE

[unreal ether]

if i ever copy code its to figure out how it works so i can adapt it to my needs

[timber viper]

Especially if question is not about the framework directly

[deep copper]

same -_- ,but a small effort daily will make you great after say, a few years, i think you said you have come a long way already, good work on getting your feet wet, now you will be swimming soon enough!, just give it equal effort daily, don't overthink, don't be harsh on yourself, don't take too big bites you can't chew

[zinc matrix]

I guess really I'm just trying to delude myself into thinking I can just keep going without having to take a course, but that's dumb

[unreal ether]

yup

[verbal junco]

here's a $20 idea: duolingo for programming languages

that's a gimme

[deep copper]

make it a habit to watch say, 1 video or 2 video tuts daily, not much

[unreal ether]

stolen imma be rich

[timber viper]

Duolingo for game design pls

[unreal ether]

ill send you a greggs when im famous tho

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-no-smh-gif-12504325

[quasi mantle]

Duolingo for level design

Wait no

[timber viper]

#graphics

[deep copper]

doulingonto figure out differences between level design and graphics

[quasi mantle]

gaaaaaah

[unreal ether]

nah everyone will psot on the forums about how their character controller doesnt work or smthn

[verbal junco]

we now have pin for that

courtesy of @mossy nexus

[timber viper]

hehe 😄

[deep copper]

omg !!!!

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[zinc matrix]

@unreal ether how many videos should I do daily?

[unreal ether]

as many as you feel comfortable with

dont feel bad if you dont do any for even a week

the worst thing you can do is burn out

[quasi mantle]

As many as you want.

[unreal ether]

sometimes you might be super productive and do a bunch

sometimes you might just wanna put some of that learning into practice

[verbal junco]

ok that gif got annoying fast

[zinc matrix]

I hate my life

[unreal ether]

and thats all okay

[zinc matrix]

Fucking hate it

[unreal ether]

the only person imposing deadlines is you

[quasi mantle]

Sometimes you feel like shit and binge watching YouTube vids on 80s synths.

[quasi mantle]

Don't rush it.

[zinc matrix]

Because I could die at any time, so I might as well try to get as much done before I do

[unreal ether]

sometimes you have every intention of doing one, but then instead you end up eating 40 McNuggets

[deep copper]

minimum 1 of 2 mins, just hit that goal daily, then you will realise "it's easy and i am already doing the bare minimum, let's do more so i am aheead"

[verbal junco]

anyway I should probably do a stream on level design or some shit. I have it in the back of my head to write a book but I fucking hate writing documentation

[quasi mantle]

Doesn't mean you have to do absolutely everything.

[unreal ether]

if you live your entire life fearing death it wont be worth living

take each day as it comes

no ones gonna shout at you if you take a day off or even a week

[verbal junco]

maybe a podcast series

open up a patreon

or something like the unreal lighting academy but for level design

give me your broken level design and let me fix it for you

[unreal ether]

i could go to uni tomorrow and get hit by a car, but does that mean im going to get my game released on steam?
no

im gonna enjoy my life while i can

[quasi mantle]

Roast My Levels

[verbal junco]

lmao love it

[deep copper]

this is why enjoying the process instead of result matters more as the creator

[unreal ether]

we need a channel for brutally honest criticism of game ideas/designs

[verbal junco]

now that is without a doubt currently #level-design

[quasi mantle]

I honestly had the worry if I'm not going to make it until tail end of PS4's extended support.

[unreal ether]

no lmao that channel is more like "Roast my Gameplay Programming"

[quasi mantle]

Nah, #level-design was just redirect fest

[verbal junco]

but also ideas are cheap (see: max $20 worth), execution is all

[deep copper]

roast my execution then?

[verbal junco]

sure! it sucks

[unreal ether]

nah someone will come in with a guillotine or smthn

[zinc matrix]

Man this fucking grappling hook

[quasi mantle]

Maybe #blueprint would be a better candidate for that

But #work-in-progress had some roasts going on

[unreal ether]

forget the damn hook for now

[zinc matrix]

I can't stop thinking about the problems I need to fix

[deep copper]

i am better than it at that <3

[quasi mantle]

Forget the damn hook, shelve it for later days

[zinc matrix]

And if there's some easier way to do it I've been overlooking

[deep copper]

yeah throw that hook

[quasi mantle]

Consider working on dashing/dodging mechanic first

[verbal junco]

hit me up with a game idea you want lightly toasted

[zinc matrix]

I mean why the hell does my character shake when he's pulling himself up on it?

[unreal ether]

there probably will be some easier way, but youll never know unless you learn the damn fundamentals

[zinc matrix]

And even then, it's not a guarantee

[quasi mantle]

If you can't stop thinking about it, write it down

[verbal junco]

you can't spell fundamentals without FUN

I was gonna do that in reverse but it made no sense 😂

[deep copper]

fundamentals aren't fun to learn but they are fun to use

[foggy path]

you can't spell fundamentals without DAMeN

or... mental

[verbal junco]

can't spell fundamentals without AMEN either

[foggy path]

lol

[unreal ether]

cant spell it without MENTAL either

[quasi mantle]

So long as your book you wrote down the problem with isn't lost, it'll remember until you open it again in later day

[mossy nexus]

fund a mental s .

sssssssssss

pure mental that s

[quasi mantle]

Can't spell Fundamentals without だめ

[foggy path]

DAME DAMEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jCAyPai2Y

[quasi mantle]

Dame da ne
Dame yo
Dame danoyo

[unreal ether]

no fair i dont speak those symbols

:(

[verbal junco]

faken nurds knowing chinese runes

[deep copper]

that's just "da me"

dw too much

[quasi mantle]

I'm still suck at kanji

[verbal junco]

just learn words

[quasi mantle]

Kanji
Memorise Them All

[verbal junco]

don't bother learning individual kanji

[zinc matrix]

@quasi mantle @unreal ether @foggy path which courses did you take and how long did they take you to complete them?

[foggy path]

I learned stuff before courses were a thing :P

so I just somehow scrounged things together from a bunch of random tutorials n shit

[quasi mantle]

I personally started before Unreal Online Learning were a thing

But now that it's there, make good use of it

[foggy path]

for UE I mostly just went with docs and some other such

[unreal ether]

I didnt, i went to college for game design and learnt it there

[zinc matrix]

FUCK it's like everyone had a head start but me

[foggy path]

but it's a bit different for me since I have such a wide ranging experience so it's easy for me to pick that stuff off from docs

[quasi mantle]

Heck, I'm still learning new stuff out of the courses

[zinc matrix]

Are you American?

[unreal ether]

hell it took me 2.5 years to be brave enough for my first major project

[unreal ether]

no

UK boi here

[zinc matrix]

Lucky

[deep copper]

most people here rn are European, strivvy

[verbal junco]

same. day 1 in BP I was out there making hierarchies and hating on tick

[quasi mantle]

It wasn't until BP Ninja challenge yesterday I know Async Save Game Load exist

None of the YT tutorials I learned back then brought up any nodes for async save game operations :(

[zinc matrix]

I'm a masochist

[quasi mantle]

But you have better start now.

[zinc matrix]

I should embrace it

[deep copper]

i still remember not listening to some guy who said 5 parts of my bp look the same so i should make them a function, i still cringe a bit after remembering that

[quasi mantle]

Back then YT tutorials are wild world of uncurated tutorials

[zinc matrix]

Gotta be like Pinhead; embrace the pain, revel in it, glorify it

[unreal ether]

i had an interaction system when i first started, where they were all master blueprints

i switched on int to know whihc one to cast to

i still shudder

[quasi mantle]

Nowadays you have Unreal Online Learning, which is curated by Epic, so less chance on misinformation than going through dodgy YT tutorials

[zinc matrix]

Gotta join the cenobites

[quasi mantle]

And even then I still learn new stuff from UOL

[quasi mantle]

So main take away is, you have better start. Make use of it.

[stone saddle]

Our lord and savior learn.unrealengine.com

[deep copper]

you can choose to waste less time, like you probably don't need 20 years to do what they are now

[quasi mantle]

We may have head start, but it's more rough than what's available now.

So again, think that you have better start than us.

[zinc matrix]

It's just that, it's really hard to force myself to JUST do dry-ass course videos when I have a mechanic in mind; just knowing there's a possibility that there's a YouTube tutorial on it, even if I have to heavily modify it, is alluring

[quasi mantle]

Write down any ideas you have in mind.

I have my own note book where I jot down game/story ideas even in my daytime job.

[stone saddle]

Short cuts always are, but if you knew the tools good enough, you wouldn't need the tutorial to begin with ;)

[verbal junco]

here's an idea: a shooter game but every action only works on button release instead of on button press