lounge

[zinc matrix]

"Alright, Luthor. What's this about forcing your employees to pee into bottles?"

[cursive crypt]

Hey... it is convenient.

[zinc matrix]

I work as a delivery on bike and we dont even get normal coats, everyone has to use winter coats even tho its around 15 degrees celcius its retared, they also demand you keep your coat on indoors because otherwise people wont recognize the brand

[cursive crypt]

Do they give you bottles too?

[quasi mantle]

Bottles to pee, make sure you leave no natural traces

[zinc matrix]

One of my colegues missed a call for an order pickup bc she went to the toilet and the manager said you must be available at all times during work

[zinc matrix]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/k7amyn/amazon-denies-workers-pee-in-bottles-here-are-the-pee-bottles

[cursive crypt]

Btw...

jars

[zinc matrix]

at least the pee is clear

good hydration

[quasi mantle]

No match with jar filled with certain substance

And a MLP figurine

[zinc matrix]

Yeah but you really think they should be forced to pee into bottles because Luth--I mean Bezos-- won't let them have bathroom breaks?

I think companies always construct in ways things like that happen, but not intentionally, the problem is when they do not do anything to solve it. For instance they always say drive carefully take your time be polite all that stuff. meanwhile they implement a scoring system that if you take too long to process an order or delivery you will either get points deducted or less payed

[quasi mantle]

Inb4 "at least give them porta potty"

[zinc matrix]

but meanwhile they say if you need to go to the bathroom please do!

[zinc matrix]

Exactly

Also lot of people i see working there nowadays are pretty wel leducated but out of pure neccesaty they have to pick up these kind of jobs that are maybe more ment as little sidejobs for teens a few hours a week. But instead of the teens they do see that the system is broken and exploitative and they say something about it and can reason with clear evidence and hold their ground in a discussion, i guess a lot of those managers are not used to that

[fathom wadi]

sometimes intelligent people need mindless jobs

[zinc matrix]

yeah i love it

just the conditions and management are broken peices of doodoo

[quasi mantle]

Same thing can be said with online cab drivers

[zinc matrix]

is that a thing?

😄 😄

how does it work

[zinc matrix]

No, we just need a better economic system that doesn't fuck college graduates over

[fathom wadi]

that doesn't invalidate my point. Both are true

[quasi mantle]

I wish I can have a side work as a (session) musician

Dunno if that's mindless enough

[quasi mantle]

The likes of Uber and whatnot

[fathom wadi]

wage slavery has been a thing since time began. But we live in a time where freedom to choose exists. However since 2000 the roots of capitalism has changed from classic capitalism to neo-capitalism and the worker gets the raw end of the deal. It sucks.

[quasi mantle]

Show yourself, David Cage!

[fathom wadi]

if you are good enough its a well paid job if you can travel

[pearl elk]

lol who can afford to travel

[fleet tangle]

Damn Neo, he should have stayed in the Matrix.

[pearl elk]

the new Matrix is so cringe

[fathom wadi]

I liked it

[fleet tangle]

Eh. It was alright.

It was far from the previous films.

[pearl elk]

it pretends to be self aware with its humour but its doesnt understand itself at all

[quasi mantle]

You guys watched the new Matrix film?

[fathom wadi]

it was better than the second and third one tho. Those movies were only good when you stopped the story and watched the effects :/

[quasi mantle]

tfw only know that one UE5 demo

[unborn lotus]

I couldn't get past 20 minutes. It started ok, then I was, why are they doing this?

[pearl elk]

Matrix barely feels like a kung fu flick post John Wick

thats the main issue with the new one, it was released about a decade too late

[cursive crypt]

Will be there more?

[pearl elk]

feels dated out of the gate

[mossy nexus]

Matrix 4. Neo only has force push powers... lol

[zinc matrix]

oh i thought you ment like in a game or something haha

[pearl elk]

doesnt even get a lightsaber yet Ryan Reynolds has had one twice now in two non- Star Wars movies

[quasi mantle]

lmao no
I'm not talking about GTA RP

Speaking of which

GTA V Expanded and Enhanced is out and barely anyone talked about it

It's already sketchy from the very first announcement

[fleet tangle]

Just don't play the religious type in GTA 1 RP.

[quasi mantle]

No one's surprised that GTA V's native next gen port is mostly just the Online part.

[pearl elk]

boomer car theft simulator

what I want is an open world Demolition Man game

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-man-rat-burger-burger-eating-burger-gif-12269709

[quasi mantle]

The single player mode isn't worth revisiting at all

[unborn lotus]

🐚 🐚 🐚

[pearl elk]

You are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute

[quasi mantle]

Teardown

Though it's not open world

[unborn lotus]

I recently watched Johnny Mnemonic..it did not age well at all lol. I somehow remember it from my youth as really really cool

[pearl elk]

It was always alittle b-grade that one but then most of those types of movies are

[mossy nexus]

tis crap that's why

[pearl elk]

I watched Split Second tonight and Maniac Cop the other day, omg theyre hilarious

[deep glen]

at the very least, in cyberpunk, the main character's bathroom has 3 shells

[zinc matrix]

Anyone watch the Amazing Atheist?

[foggy path]

You should watch Psycho Cop

it's basically a Maniac Cop ripoff :D

It's kinda funny that the guy who plays the murderous psychopathic cop in the Psycho Cop series actually appears in Malcolm in the Middle as a police officer in one episode lol

Gotta wonder if the creators of that show saw the movies

[zinc matrix]

Well judging by the name, I would ask if he brutalizes people for meaningless crimes, but I guess that's not really psycho by cop standards

[foggy path]

He sort of does lol

[zinc matrix]

Well that's just normal cop stuff

[foggy path]

It's basically just him killing a bunch of people and spouting funny oneliners, I found it decently entertaining

[zinc matrix]

Does he also shoot peaceful protestors?

[foggy path]

He might!

[zinc matrix]

Don't see what makes him psycho then

Now a cop who actually doesn't brutalize people over petty shit, shoot protestors, or racially profile minorities? That would be a truly psycho cop

[foggy path]

so basically majority of cops in Finland? 🤔

they've recently been kicking out neo-nazi sympathizers from the force too!

some kind of lunatics

[unborn lotus]

here in easterne europe people brutalize the cops 😅

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WS-G5j23w

My hometown cops representing in finnish police reality show

lol

[unreal ether]

When i was in high school they brought in a neo nazi once to talk to us lmao

[foggy path]

nice

pretty sure we had some ex drug addict or something at some point talking to us how we should say no when we get offered drugs

nobody ever offered me any, I expected it to happen more based on how much people warned us about it

[unreal ether]

All of the people in my form used to go to parties on the weekends and do molly and get pisses

It was a weird school

We always had lessons on the British Values

That was always a tough one to get through

Not sure if we ever did have the drug addict, but we did have this decent drugs ed lesson in y6 where they brought in plastic cases containing drugs, so we could see what theyl ooked like, along with all their street names n stuff

A street called lil marco needs to be constructed in honour of this man

[deep copper]

how are you supposed to say no though?

does "no" not work?

[quasi mantle]

Are you into gore/splatter movies?

Or maybe gore internet leak videos?

[deep copper]

what's a splattar movie

splatter*

[quasi mantle]

Basically horror movies but with more gore and on screen kills

Some of them were super exaggerated

[quasi mantle]

Think of that one time in Hitman game where you chop a drug dealer into a box of meat cocaine, but more blood and gore

[deep copper]

i haven't played any hitman game but i think i get what you mean

[ocean parcel]

we had jesus people come to our school. :)

[mossy nexus]

Aramaic people?

[knotty skiff]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2762520590

Mod of the Year

[deep copper]

cat

[knotty skiff]

La Mimi

[deep copper]

screen for toolgun

[knotty skiff]

Indeed!

[deep copper]

!!! steam workshop

[knotty skiff]

YEE!!!

[deep copper]

EEEEEE!!!!!!!

[knotty skiff]

"this addon changes the default toolgon screen for a photo of my cat, la mimi." - this mod dude

[deep copper]

if it gives toolgun 9 lives that's better

[knotty skiff]

Quite Indeed!!

[deep copper]

very indeed!!!

[timber viper]

Want me to start an IDE war over here?

[quasi mantle]

It's No Wholesome Wednesday

We talk about violence and politics

[fleet tangle]

We didn't start the IDE war do dee dooooooo

[quasi mantle]

Wear metal outfit, and have your upside down cross ready

[fleet tangle]

Magnets,

[deep copper]

you are welcome to invade it meow meow

take over me as well while at it <3

[fleet tangle]

Aliens.

[fathom wadi]

@pearl elk sorry to bother you with a ping, but does that Advanced Vehicle plugin have any documentation at all? I made a blueprint based on the base class and I presumed you simply setThrottleInput to move but its not. Looking through the source code doesn't make things any more apparent.

[cursive crypt]

UE and documentation - name a more iconic duo

[fathom wadi]

Myra Hindley and Ian Brady

[cursive crypt]

Ok, I give up.

[mossy nexus]

Mr & Mrs

[cursive crypt]

Croissant and coffee.

[deep copper]

goose and ducks

[mossy nexus]

Fist & Face

[median wraith]

Humble Bundle removed the files download from old bundles

how awesome that the content you paid is nowhere

[mossy nexus]

define 'old'?

[deep copper]

and their t&c most probably covers them legally too

[median wraith]

2016

but seems like was only couple files not all mmm

[deep copper]

are you sure you aren't remembering the files wrong or something?

[median wraith]

idk man

[verbal junco]

this looks fantastic

is it on netflix? 😂

[foggy path]

Nah, it is/was on finnish TV, the subtitles were added by whoever uploaded it to YT

it's called "poliisit", maybe there's some more subbed clips on yt, not sure

[verbal junco]

fair enough

it's interesting seeing the cultural shift

"ah f it we can't catch him anyway"

vs

"POLICE WE'LL SHOOT IF YOU DONT GET DOWN"

[foggy path]

lol yeah

I guess they could have technically fined him for riding a bicycle while drunk

[cursive crypt]

So, butts are fine.

[verbal junco]

where I'm from that only happens if you're truly a problem on the road

[cursive crypt]

Can catch cold, you never know I mean.

[foggy path]

Yeah, they probably didn't feel like he was really endangering anyone but himself with this so didn't make a bigger number out of it

they usually have more important things to do lol

[verbal junco]

I remember speeding on the highway once doing something to the tune of 180 km/h in a 130 zone

middle of the night, nobody else on the road

police come up behind me and get me to stop

no fine, didn't even mention the speed. they just wanted me to not use the fast track if I wasn't going past anyone

[foggy path]

lol

if you were doing 180 on the highway here I don't think the police would just appear behind you out of nowhere because they'd be doing 100 and wouldn't know about you

[verbal junco]

it was a bit sus, I'm sure they must've followed me for a while

[foggy path]

heh

I've never had any issues with thankfully

I had a close call once when I was test driving a C63 AMG and had to give it a bit of a push of course

Doing 160 on the highway and of course there's a cop car coming on the opposite side

[verbal junco]

classic

[foggy path]

Thankfully they either didn't have their radar on or they had better things to do :P

[verbal junco]

yeah I think most of the time it's just not worth it

like they wouldn't be able to actually get to you in time

anyway I don't usually get into problems with cops, only parking tickets 😂

[foggy path]

Yeah, it was on a section of the highway where there was a barrier between so they couldn't have really turned around to get after me anyway

[verbal junco]

or well, used to anyway. I don't even drive anymore

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/gas-prices-simpsons-gif-25086065

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[cursive crypt]

Just read that 3090 in Russia costs near $5000

Meanwhile 4xxx series they say is twice the performance :troll-face:

[signal citrus]

Nvidia will come up with whatever metric to say twice tbh

For the 3000 series it was the performance difference between the 900 and 2000 series used as a metric of one

[verbal junco]

moore's law?

[signal citrus]

So the 3080 was twice as good as the 2080 was better than the 980 or something

[cursive crypt]

Good point, I have no more details.

[signal citrus]

Like if the difference in frame time is rationed the same as a 2080 to a 3080 was when applied to the 4080 they will call that twice as good as the 3080

[cursive crypt]

However, hw reviews on diff apps will show the truth.

[signal citrus]

Ye I mean you see twice as good and you think frame time is halved but that’s not at all the point

Yeah for sure

[timber viper]

So 2080 is very close to 3080 as performance?

[cursive crypt]

Like, I went with 6900xt, but compared to 3090 the diff was like 10% at best. Excluding the RT cores. Which was freaking good deal, considering the price difference.

I won't care about 30 fps vs 33 say.

[median wraith]

Nvidia always says is x2 performance

[cursive crypt]

1.5x the price tho 😉

[median wraith]

can't really tell there is a x2 performance between my old 970 and 3070 on the same games

and should be a x4 by their logic

[zinc matrix]

!8ball will I need a new graphics card for the Suicide Squad game?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Reply hazy, try again.

[zinc matrix]

!8ball will I need a new graphics card for the Suicide Squad game?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Outlook good.

[zinc matrix]

Fuck

[timber viper]

look at that gap tho 😄

3080 vs 2080ti

[signal citrus]

A 1080 ti is 2x the base performance of 980 ti

[verbal junco]

does that work for 1070ti too?

[cursive crypt]

1070 * 2 = 2140

[signal citrus]

2080ti is 3x the drift from 980ti to 1080ti

[verbal junco]

so 6x 1080ti?

[signal citrus]

The 3080 is 4x the drift from 980ti to 1080ti which sounds way better than a third better than the 2080ti

[verbal junco]

so we ARE reaching bottlenecks

[cursive crypt]

Derivatives, bitch

[signal citrus]

But the metric in that graph be made up to begin with

[cursive crypt]

Waiting for the 4xxx point on that graph.

Tho, I won't buy it for sure.

[median wraith]

good luck getting a 3080 or a 3070 at that price lol

[verbal junco]

wait so this would imply that a 1070ti is as good as a 980ti?!

[median wraith]

like the 3070 is at 1000€

[signal citrus]

I bet it will be double the amount of 1080ti to 980ti relative to the 3080ti level better than the 2080ti in measurement of relative to 1080ti from 980ti

Probably 6x

But they can just change 2x to be some other generational leap measurement, tho using 1080ti and 2080ti as a unit then the 3080 is only twice as better

It’s lame anyways when they talk about measuring leaps

[verbal junco]

I'm lost

can we unify the scale

what is 1.0f

[signal citrus]

That’s what I’m saying

1 is a 980

[signal citrus]

If you put 1 to a 1080ti then the times better is all different

[cursive crypt]

Sauce: https://www.gpumag.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4000-series/

[verbal junco]

where is 1070ti

like 1.5? 2.0?

[signal citrus]

Probably the same as a 980

[cursive crypt]

Btw, most of the data up is due to the data breach nvidia went thru recently.

[signal citrus]

The 1060 is as good as a 780ti but with less memory for reference

[signal citrus]

Aye

[verbal junco]

so is there a point to buying anything below a xx80 at any given moment?

[signal citrus]

I think amd will have something good to show

[cursive crypt]

The cache size difference is amazing.

[median wraith]

66 TFLOPs lmao

"Can this run Lumen properly?"

[signal citrus]

Yeah I mean the 4060 or something could likely be as good as a 2080ti

2080ti is a fine card still

[cursive crypt]

You should buy a new PSU btw. Many vendors are upping their pin connectors even.

[signal citrus]

Not a lot better than 1080ti tho

[cursive crypt]

1 Kw be the new norm.

In fact 1.5 KW is better.

[signal citrus]

I’m curious how the r7 5800x3D does

I know that’s a cpu but I guess games benefit from extra cache and that’s the selling point of it

[cursive crypt]

Ooh, definitely.

[signal citrus]

It comes out soon I think

[cursive crypt]

As we are hitting the GHz limits, cores went up, multi layer caches and size are the next.

I mean, zen3 e.g.

[signal citrus]

96mb of L3

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crashers-w-ill-ferrell-good-compliment-nod-gif-17399437

[verbal junco]

I'm still not getting an AMD card

I got burned once too many

[signal citrus]

I love my Radeon 6900xt

[cursive crypt]

AMD lacks software IP, but they are better price/perf I think 🤔

[signal citrus]

The drivers are better too

[median wraith]

yet still the CPUs are outdated again even if you have 128 cores isn't enough for UE5

Epic keep adding shaders permutations

[verbal junco]

amd drivers were garbo last I tried

whole catalyst thing was a fiasco IMO

[cursive crypt]

Their gpu driver has some issues with waking up / changin the resolution. Which is annoying, known bug they have.

[signal citrus]

I had to make zero accounts to get automatic updates

I heard performance on nvidia drivers tanked recently

[verbal junco]

I don't have nvidia panel

or whatever they call it

"experience"

I don't agree with registration

[pearl compass]

1.5 KW PSU for a cpu that uses 60 watts. genius.

[verbal junco]

but I also don't agree with broken drivers from amd

[cursive crypt]

AMD really lacks some know-how: also the dlss/tracings libs, deep learning, as for CPUs: performance tooling.

[cursive crypt]

Your GPU uses 600W tho, plus 60W CPU? Modern CPUs under stress can draw like 200W +

[pearl compass]

Not if I'm running headless bro

[cursive crypt]

Add and fancy RGB and some future proof and you get that meme for 1.5

We talking memes and normal users, not your nerd users.

[pearl compass]

Well if it's for memes then you might as well get twin 1.5 kilowatts because you're going to get twin gpus

[cursive crypt]

Some may as well, however like it or not, big PSU are becoming the norm.

[verbal junco]

meh I'm running a 400W psu

[cursive crypt]

You are ECO friendly 🌻

[signal citrus]

Is discord real broken rn?

[cursive crypt]

Yes, there is freaking timeout.

[signal citrus]

The only issue I’ve ran into with my card was that the oculus installer was busted and couldn’t complete setup, there was a preview driver at the time to fix that. Otherwise haven’t ran into anything. But idk the whole process of upgrading and installing I think is a lot more sleek and I just hate GeForce experience and having to tell it to not install over and over. I was real worried about going to amd because of drivers as the last card I had that was amd was a ati but have been real happy

Idk how many times I actually sent that but ye

[cursive crypt]

Probably someone is ddosing around 🙂

[signal citrus]

Aye

That’s been my understanding too

[verbal junco]

I dunno, I use nvidia without issue personally. I don't think I've ever had a problem with my card whatsoever

whereas amd cards have had driver problems, chip issues that I had to RMA

[signal citrus]

Do you stay up to date?

[verbal junco]

roughly. not every day but like once a month

[cursive crypt]

shup and take my money

[signal citrus]

Competition is good anyways. I think nvidia would be sitting on their hands last gen if they didn’t have to do something drastic

[verbal junco]

fair enough, I can only speak from personal experience that I've never had issues with nvidia compared to amd

hence why I'm reluctant to move to amd

[cursive crypt]

Frankly, AMD vs Nvidia/Intel is like Coca-Cola vs Pepsi.
They cousins.

[verbal junco]

(||pepsi is better||)

[fleet tangle]

I run a 6800 oc and a threadripper on a 750w np

[signal citrus]

I like wild cherry pepsi better than coke

But regular Pepsi is not better than coke

[cursive crypt]

There is almost no Pepsi around :/

[signal citrus]

Wild cherry pepsi is better than cherry coke tho

[verbal junco]

pepsi max is better than coke zero

[deep copper]

so are integrated graphics cards like water or something?

[verbal junco]

a watered down coke without fizz

[signal citrus]

They share the same hood as the cpu

[cursive crypt]

Maybe? I mean, GPUs is the other big consumer. If it works - nice.

[signal citrus]

Im running a 6900xt with 3970x too

[fleet tangle]

TR is 280W, I don't recall the 6800 oc power draw, but it's not considerable compared to cpu.

[signal citrus]

But its sluggish compared to a 5950x unless am in Houdini or something

[verbal junco]

but coke zero vanilla is better than pepsi max cherry

[signal citrus]

Vanilla Coke is certainly good

[cursive crypt]

How vanilla?

[signal citrus]

But it tastes like pickle when you have too much

[deep copper]

since when did pepsi and coke have so many flavours 🤔

[verbal junco]

can we agree that root beer is superior?

I wish we had it in the UK

[cursive crypt]

That, I never tried. Nowhere to be found around.
However, I like ginger beer a lot.

[signal citrus]

Aka Vicks vapo rub

I like root beer tho yea

[verbal junco]

better strong flavor than no flavor

[fleet tangle]

Root beer tastes like that stuff they wash you mouth out with at the dentist.

[verbal junco]

it's difficult to find in europe. only imports available

[cursive crypt]

Ah, maybe If I check a dedicated store for beers 🤔

[fleet tangle]

Ginger beer is great, though.

[verbal junco]

"beer" is a misnomer, it's non alcoholic

[cursive crypt]

Ah

[signal citrus]

A&W abroad is not the same as in the US

[verbal junco]

kind of like ginger ale

[fleet tangle]

Have you ever tried sarsaparilla? It's great.

[verbal junco]

"abroad". we get US imports lol

[cursive crypt]

That sounds good then.

[fleet tangle]

It's basically the cola of the old west.

[verbal junco]

it's OK

I still think root beer is better

[cursive crypt]

I have played Fallout btw.

[fleet tangle]

Good to know? I'm not a fan.

[signal citrus]

Well afaik A&W was originated in the states

[verbal junco]

and while US may have the best dark flavor soda

[cursive crypt]

It is from where I have heard that name.

[verbal junco]

EU has orangina

which is the far superior fanta

[signal citrus]

Nah nah

[cursive crypt]

Isn't that miranda ?

[signal citrus]

EU Fanta > US Fanta

[verbal junco]

probably, but orangina > EU fanta

[fleet tangle]

Orangina is good.

[cursive crypt]

I think EU fanta/cola is Hellenic's company.

[verbal junco]

except for fanta shokata, which is god tier

only available in like 3 countries 😔

again, have to rely on imports

[signal citrus]

Look at the difference

[cursive crypt]

uuuh

It is just one shader variable.

[signal citrus]

It tastes better in the eu too, us has this orange orange stuff

[cursive crypt]

Can confirm, it is orange.

[signal citrus]

Yeah

It’s more yellow outside of the states

[cursive crypt]

I wonder why, maybe the colourant is cheaper?

[signal citrus]

Idk but it tastes different too

[verbal junco]

nah EU has rules about carcinogens

and sunset yellow used in the US has known carcinogens

so they have to use different colors in EU

[cursive crypt]

Gotta be a half chemist nowadays to understand the ingredients.

[verbal junco]

that's why EU is working to protect people from this stuff lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-alcohol-cause-solution-lifes-problems-gif-5645491

[fleet tangle]

Isn't alcohol a molecule?

[cursive crypt]

Partially. There are still many sus chems used.
My ex had a cousin who works in funeral business. Before few years they gathred to discuss how many deceased are conserved like grocery salami.

[verbal junco]

sounds scary, which country?

[cursive crypt]

Eastern EU, maybe Romania if I recall correctly.

[signal citrus]

Salami lasts a long time

[verbal junco]

romania is a scary place

I'd rather to go africa than ever go back there

[cursive crypt]

Mm... lol, why?

Been there once... Can't say much.

[verbal junco]

people just have no respect

[deep copper]

because it's a scary place duh

[fleet tangle]

Whats'a matter you, @CE?!

[cursive crypt]

Still?

[deep copper]

Dracula are immortal so ofc

[signal citrus]

Dracula is real?

[deep copper]

or antartica or mars

[verbal junco]

I've been to the US, and people are for sure nicer there than in romania

[signal citrus]

I guess Transylvania is in Romania

[signal citrus]

Though Dracula may seem like a singular creation, Stoker in fact drew inspiration from a real-life man with an even more grotesque taste for blood: Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia or — as he is better known — Vlad the Impaler (Vlad Tepes), a name he earned for his favorite way of dispensing with his enemies.

[deep copper]

are we talking about Zuckerberg

[verbal junco]

I think I would blink twice if someone asked me to 😂

[deep copper]

cannibalism?

[verbal junco]

what about alucard??

[signal citrus]

Dracula backwards

[verbal junco]

yeah same

[verbal junco]

yes but also a person!?

[deep copper]

funny to see a tank blink

😂 .

[signal citrus]

Lon Chaney Jr. Count Alucard is a fictional character created by American filmmakers Robert and Curt Siodmak for their 1943 horror film Son of Dracula.

[median wraith]

The social media interactions are each day more dry

[deep copper]

were they ever wet?

[median wraith]

Well I managed to get 0 interactions on twitter, that's normal this days, but now the people that check manually the histories on Instagram either interacts, despite is checked by 60

[deep copper]

just talk with us here instead

it may not be that dry <3

[median wraith]

so who here likes retro old school shooters ?

[verbal junco]

gonna have to pass

shooters were never my thing

unless we count the half life series

[regal pecan]

old school shooters? sure. retro? run away!

[median wraith]

Talking about Quake 1 etc

or Duke Nuken

[regal pecan]

Me seeing Quake II: "This would look amazing with future rendering tech."
Me seeing Quake II RTX: "This looks like ass."

[signal citrus]

“Noisy”

[verbal junco]

I had more fun with 2D duke than with 3D duke

[signal citrus]

2D duke was bad though

[regal pecan]

It's not just the noise. Most everyone plays it with the realistic Earth-based sky instead of the original red. The lighting had to be remade by hand and tends to miss the grimness of the aesthetic. The textures...

Somehow the soft shadows just don't work either.

[signal citrus]

The water gets in the way too

[regal pecan]

There's also the irony that the real time global illumination isn't that much better than the primitive baked lighting, because of the game's muted color palette, lack of harsh light sources, and lack of moving light sources.

[signal citrus]

If you like how the original looked it’s hard to improve on it. I thought quake 4 was terrible too for example

[regal pecan]

Ironic that every decision made to accommodate the limitations of static lighting also ends up mitigating the benefits of ray tracing.

[verbal junco]

compared to 3D? naah

[signal citrus]

Yeah static lighting and like baking of photons is hard to beat but it at least serves as a pretty good tech demo, just not real fun

[verbal junco]

plus the music was great

[signal citrus]

Someone once said the reason mega man has a gun is because the platforming is unintuitive and difficult to control. I like mega man though but those early duke games are worse imo

[verbal junco]

I had fun with 2d duke. I had fun with megaman (x)

[signal citrus]

Idk I think X is where the series tried new things that turned it into something it wasn’t before. Kind of like doom 16

[verbal junco]

duke 2d had some x-esque things if I remember correctly

you could swing across gaps or some such

[signal citrus]

X isn’t bad but the games preceding it had a pretty decent formula which was modified to introduce reasons to revisit things at the increased cost of dev

Yeah but the jumping was really bad

[carmine frigate]

nothing beats contra 😛

[verbal junco]

I played it at a young age, I don't think I cared about how bad or good the jump was lol

it was good enough that I completed both 2D games

[signal citrus]

https://youtu.be/tofpXhxv64U?t=360

[verbal junco]

I didn't complete megaman x until I was an adult by contrast

[verbal junco]

I see no issues, this looks awesome

[regal pecan]

I liked Duke 2. Among the platformers it had the least platforming.

[fleet tangle]

Ah. I loved Duke Nukem.

And Commander Keen!

Those giant cat boss things in blue suits that jumped around were a bit stupid, though.

[signal citrus]

Idk I didn’t care much for keen either

Jazz jack rabbit was cool though

[carmine frigate]

earthworm jim 😛

and i would say mechanics of 16bit mario still holds up today

[regal pecan]

Allowing for it being 99% platforming. Platforming is bad game design and I will tussle briefly on that hill.

[median wraith]

so I got a key for Ion Fury, question is, someone like that games and want it ?

[fleet tangle]

I fucking love the EWJ cartoon. The game not so much.

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/earthworm-jim-video-games-arcade-playstation-xbox-gif-19954216

[signal citrus]

Run button is required imo

Games that don’t have a run button, like mega man and earthworm jim rest a lot more on other mechanics than the platforming

I think Super Metroid is pretty outstanding platforming wise

Sotn is pretty decent too but I think a run button would have helped that.. tho the forms of alucard make up for a lot

[verbal junco]

I mean yeah, mario maker couldn't make it without

[verbal junco]

actually I can die on this hill, platforming kind of sucks. in every other respect people loathe jump puzzles, but when they are a genre it's ok?

I dunno, seems fishy

[signal citrus]

I think Metroid prime is about as good of 3D platforming as possible from that perspective, and it’s interesting in its own way but yeah super Mario 64 is one of the best games ever made

[verbal junco]

well speed is important, I'll agree. I think megaman has a dash, and megaman x evolve that into being very dashjumpable

[signal citrus]

And super Mario odyssey is even better

[verbal junco]

but that's essentially greenlighting bunny hopping as a mechanic

[regal pecan]

It's a curious exception to bad game design when different demographics of players enjoy/hate the same thing. You can't please everyone, but sometimes you absolutely have to piss off some people to please others.

[signal citrus]

Well it’s that you can push yourself to a pace that is uncomfortable but fun to try to achieve beyond the thrill of speed itself I think

But idk

[verbal junco]

I think the reason it worked in games like megaman x is because the game didn't care about how you got to certain points for the most part. very rarely did it force you to use one type of platforming over the other... at least that's what I remember

like yeah there were platforms you could use to jump up but equally there'd be a wall at the end you could use to do the shimmy jump up if you felt like it

[median wraith]

Man if nobody wants a key for a free cool shooter, imagine when I have to sell a game, that will get serious lol

[verbal junco]

also, let's talk about how megaman gives you space to understand mechanics before being forced to reckon with them

[verbal junco]

I hate to say it, but the shooter market is vastly oversaturated

[regal pecan]

I wonder if the most hated part about platforming could be considered "progress recycling"

[verbal junco]

you mean when you drop down and have to do it all over again?

[regal pecan]

Yes. Most other mechanics you lose some portion of a buffer (e.g. health) without having to go through the same progression, but with platforming it's always having to do the same platforms over again.

[verbal junco]

yeah I agree

I think again this is why games that allow multiple paths for even stuff like this win out

because even if you drop there's another way out

not the same that you've just failed

[signal citrus]

Yknow ninja gaiden on Xbox was really pretty good

[verbal junco]

next you're gonna say contra was easy

I think I got to level 2 boss in contra or something like that and I just couldn't find a way to avoid fullscreen attack

rarely had enough health to survive

[regal pecan]

Quicksaving takes the bite out of progress recycling, but it also hurts tension and tends to be jarring in implementation. (Anti-punishment mechanics like respawning players at their jump location after they fall into the void is a bit similar.)

[verbal junco]

also they're not diegetic mechanics. they break the immersion

better at least with a ledge grab or some such

[fathom wadi]

p@t were you the pat that contributed to the Experimental Vehicle plugin with Vorixo?

[signal citrus]

Nah I don’t think so

[median wraith]

yeah that's true, the general market is saturated on every theme now

even by the fact Epic gives free games each week

a game lost itself any value

[verbal junco]

I haven't bought a game in 2 years

[timber viper]

Xbox Game Pass goes brrr

[signal citrus]

I spoke to vor on some movement stuff I think but have not contributed

[verbal junco]

but at least xbox picking up studios left and right to compensate

[timber viper]

Thanks to Square Enix's idiot marketing team I'm able to play Marvel Guardian's Galaxy

[timber viper]

'left and right'?

[verbal junco]

everywhere

[signal citrus]

Is it good?

[median wraith]

Well, not sure if there is any other Pat ? maybe he added you because of that idk

[signal citrus]

Cool 🥺

Too bad about no other pats tho

[timber viper]

Its pretty much great

8.5/10

[fathom wadi]

Im checking out his vehicle plugin and it seems broken. Everything looks good but it only steers to the right. Kind of needed to get some support on it. Im grinding through the code currently tho :/

[verbal junco]

what did you do to get it?

[verbal junco]

blame @signal citrus

[timber viper]

Just had a subscription to game pass

[verbal junco]

ah I see

[signal citrus]

Unsure what the right channel for support is but yeah I don’t know it and can’t really read code anymore

[timber viper]

They let game pass include that game because they couldnt market it 😄 (https://www.pcgamer.com/square-enix-claims-marvels-guardians-of-the-galaxy-has-undershot-sales-expectations/)

[median wraith]

he said it wasn't finished or something

why don't go with the marketplace assets ?

Epic gave a lot

[fathom wadi]

it feels like it works ok, just this steering issue

I've gone through several vehicles and mostly they suck. this is the first that feels ok

[verbal junco]

understandable tbh. I got big love for SE montreal, but I wouldn't play a marvel game

[fathom wadi]

even made my own from scratch but its not good at all

[verbal junco]

so I can see there being some good design

but I wouldn't touch it regardless 😔

[verbal junco]

wait what happened? how come you can't read code?

[fathom wadi]

this is what I see when I try to view the games on xbox game pass for pc. gg

[signal citrus]

My eyes suck, get headaches

[verbal junco]

sorry to hear that. what do you do for work instead?

[signal citrus]

Taking time off rn, had surgery in one eye but it made things worse so not sure what to do about the other one

[timber viper]

but I wouldn't play a marvel game
Why though?

[timber viper]

Get well soon :\

[signal citrus]

Thanks

[verbal junco]

that sucks, I hope everything improves

[signal citrus]

Don’t rub your eyes

[verbal junco]

I am suddenly very aware of all the eye rubbing I have ever done

[signal citrus]

Ye if it doesn’t I can get corneal implants potentially

[timber viper]

Past me disagrees, but current me knows how valuable is that advice 😄

[signal citrus]

Otherwise it’ll be sclera lense contacts

[verbal junco]

I think a friend of mine got that, that's like the subcorneal lense implants right?

[timber viper]

I dont ever touch my eyes since my last doctor visit but generally I have serious problems with them like being dry all the time and itchiness

Hopefully I wont get blind over the time 😅

[signal citrus]

Ah intacts are an option too

My eyes are unstable and when I rub them they stay rubbed, so the surgery is to harden them

[verbal junco]

I had that for a brief while

but now it's stopped

[signal citrus]

My right eye is hardened but ye it’s hardened in a worse than good days way
Need to get them hardened before contacts are an option

[verbal junco]

vision keeps getting worse, and I'm dumb enough to refuse to wear glasses

[signal citrus]

Yeah the thing I have is supposedly something that runs in the family and only shows up in people as they approach 30s (and rub their eyes a lot)

[verbal junco]

I fear this

[timber viper]

I'm dumb enough to refuse to wear glasses
Its better since I wear glasses btw

[verbal junco]

my problem is

I see fine without glasses

but that's because my eyes have adapted to focus

[verbal junco]

and because of that I am straining my eyes heavily

but also I'm not really near/far sighted, I just have astigmatism

[signal citrus]

Smiling people really sell the idea of no maintenance

[signal citrus]

Going to eye doctor regularly is a good idea

[verbal junco]

I dunno I think I'd pick lasix over this

[verbal junco]

yeah they want me to go. but I'm too dumb to go

[signal citrus]

Aye, ask em to make a appointment or figure out how to force yourself to

It sucks when it’s too far gone

[verbal junco]

it's just one of those things where it's always a bad time

[timber viper]

Eyes dont fix*(?) theirselves automatically unlike the rest of the parts of the body so it can be too late when you really start to get sick of it

[verbal junco]

I'll get around to it

[signal citrus]

For me it kept getting worse and worse

Like I was like: this is pretty bad but I can get stuff done still

[verbal junco]

I'm moving house in like a month

so I'm hoping to fix stuff after the fact

[signal citrus]

Then it just kinda gets to where suddenly it’s sad and stuff can’t be seen without squinting and you notice how hard you constantly squint to work etc

Aye aye

[timber viper]

Did you also have a constant dryness or itchiness like me?

[signal citrus]

Ye I rubbed my eyes a lot

[verbal junco]

I've only done the eye rubbing occassionally

[signal citrus]

I had a hdr1000 display on full bright a lot which I think contributed to rubbing

[verbal junco]

and tbh ever since I stopped working out daily my eye pressure has normalized

[signal citrus]

Pretty sure I rub when I sleep too

[verbal junco]

darkmode everything

[timber viper]

lmao, how

[signal citrus]

Idk

[verbal junco]

did you catch yourself sleep rubbing?

[signal citrus]

That’s kinda what it’s like at night

But text and stuff, it’s tough

[timber viper]

Do glasses fix anything?

[signal citrus]

Nah nothing

[timber viper]

How do you walk at nights?

lol 😂

[scarlet cedar]

The one night I stay up a little late and everyone in the house wants to wake up at 630

[signal citrus]

I can see enough for that, just text and stuff where detail is necessary I can’t make out

Gives a big headache

[timber viper]

I shouldnt keep you in the convo much then

[signal citrus]

Eh it’s okay, programming is different. I sometimes misread stuff in discord but it’s easier to assume what is being said over operands and stuff

[regal pecan]

"Let's make the semicolon the most critical symbol in programming." - Some jerk with 20/15 vision

[signal citrus]

Lol yeah

[timber viper]

Are you a python fan?

[timber viper]

EA™️?

[median wraith]

Vermintide 2

[signal citrus]

I have a hard time distinguishing a - and a + mostly, but certainly colon and semicolon are annoying, tho I pretty confidently know when it’s okay for either to be present or not

[signal citrus]

Is that warhammer?

[median wraith]

yeah it is

yeah totally, the remasters lol

[median wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNjdelScSNU&ab_channel=MichaelReznoR

this game general illumination is really cool tbh

[regal pecan]

Environments you've seen before, with worse framerate, but at least we don't have to spend development time on baked lighting.

[median wraith]

I think it does ?

Liek I don't think they bake that whole level

[regal pecan]

Oh. Good. So worse than baked and screenspace'd to hell.

(Then again, maybe if they lightmapped it they'd need 80GB of textures.)

[median wraith]

I mean is a complete city so

where says baked ?

[left granite]

hello

[timber viper]

Ubi is good at GI generally

That reflection is cursed though

weird lighting

I watched one lighting tutorial so I have rights to criticize

[timber viper]

Same does not happen with baked lighting

[regal pecan]

There's so much jank lighting in that video you could write a book. Or at least three whitepapers.

[timber viper]

Division 1 & 2 is way better in lighting

Especially in GI

[timber viper]

Ubi also improved their engine after Origins so probably games released after Origin is way better

They made some special things for lighting

[timber viper]

Btw me and my friend is learning about lighting, can you tell me some of the jankiness you saw?

We would like to compare with ours

To see what we have missed

[verbal junco]

ah it's a ubisoft game

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-crew-2s-america-features-some-very-weird-stores/

this is a gem

[timber viper]

I need a coffee

[verbal junco]

when you just need SOMEONE

[fleet tangle]

I have to ask, what is chicken grilled coffee?

[fleet tangle]

Do they grill the coffee inside a chicken?!

[quasi mantle]

To be fair, I've seen horrendous banner designs in real life, so...

[regal pecan]

Circles: Illumination where no source is evident , occlusion is excessive, or there is no occlusion where it's expected.
Arrows: Horrifying shadow sampling artifacts, which is not present when GI is off.
Rectangle: Characters with almost negligible occlusion.

[timber viper]

Thanks a lot, appreciated

[median wraith]

Bet those are baked probes rather than baked light as is

[timber viper]

Like reflection captures?

[median wraith]

Yeah

The Division uses IBLs

[timber viper]

Why do they exists while GI is on though

Something went wrong with some kind of a SSRI system?

[timber viper]

What is IBL

https://tenor.com/view/dalek-explain-doctor-who-gif-5490200

I'm hungry for lighting study

[median wraith]

Like reflection captures but for whole color light

idk why Epic didn't made them

[regal pecan]

All I remember of IBL is from UDK's IBL test, where it was basically billboards for select objects

[median wraith]

what the

[timber viper]

Is IBL == LDR?

[median wraith]

mmmm no?

[regal pecan]

Image Based Lighting

[timber viper]

Is IBL is an alternative of HDR/HDRI?

[regal pecan]

presumably, drawing objects into reflections as billboards instead of drawing the whole object or using a baked reflection capture

[median wraith]

IBLs are like the skylight cubemap option

but per sphere

captured per area like the reflections

[regal pecan]

Wouldn't that be cubemap blending?

[median wraith]

there is a commumity ibls implementation

[timber viper]

So its mostly optimization?

[median wraith]

technically there is cubemap. blending 👀

[timber viper]

Finally found a reference

[median wraith]

This need you to place them manually

and isn't dynamic

are prebaked

but you can blend lerp between cubemaps

[regal pecan]

Oh I'm sorry, I mixed it up with Image Based Reflections

[timber viper]

What makes it looks bad with GI on? Where was the mistake on that video?

[median wraith]

IBLs are an aprox

non baked light

so the results are a projection

[timber viper]

So IBL probes try to assume the reflection but fails

[median wraith]

for that you got the reflection probes

and they fail too in a perfect world

[timber viper]

So they should not be used with GI then or artist forgot the recapture the reflection probe

[timber viper]

If you would tasked to solve in that in a studio what would you try to do first?

[regal pecan]

Cover it up with models. 😄

[median wraith]

I mean Ray Tracing is the most ground truth

[timber viper]

Wait, they are baked into light mass? (so they wont appear on the on top of the models?)

[median wraith]

but ibls are low cost

I can bake a whole ibls 3x3km level in ue4 in 30 seconds

with a lot of ibls

topic aside, I already gave to a person the Ion Fury key
Found strange almost nobody liked that kind of games 🤔

[timber viper]

So for the sake of optimization they decided to leave it be at Ubisoft? There was no possible fixes other than ray tracing? 🤔

[median wraith]

I love the secret areas and the hardcore survival of those

[median wraith]

other methods I bet but

[quasi mantle]

Ion Fury, that one Build game?

[verbal junco]

I guess even this channel is turning into #graphics 😂

[regal pecan]

It's not a video game if it's played on the command line.

[verbal junco]

always

https://tenor.com/view/empire-i-got-you-brothers-lucious-terrence-howard-gif-4652933

[timber viper]

Thanks for the inputs btw @regal pecan @median wraith

[timber viper]

Came to tell us #graphics ?

This is not #level-design

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-no-power-here-king-theodon-no-power-here-lotr-gif-7431175

[verbal junco]

I have no power even in #level-design 😂

it's like fighting the entropy of the universe

[timber viper]

Tragicomic truth 😄

The Forest 2?

[verbal junco]

https://youtu.be/38VG3oaY4OQ?t=225

[median wraith]

correct

👀

well if you are using the poly you show the last day maybe isn't cuz primotives

wait what?

[left granite]

how ar ya ?

[median wraith]

primotives? @verbal junco

[verbal junco]

wut

oh sorry

swedish, yadda yadda same message

yeah

plus danish doesn't sing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

[pearl elk]

There is an example project but its separate from the plugin, its on Vors github too, has a working vehicle there you can modify or clone

[fathom wadi]

yeah I downloaded that. It doesn't steer left though

[pearl elk]

hmm odd, it was working last time I tested it. I'll take a look

[fathom wadi]

cheers. there wasn't anything in the way of input binds in the project, and I checked the input axis was doing 1/-1 and it was. I then went into VS and checked out the code and the only spot I can presume it's producing an error is this function

{
    if (FMath::Abs(CurrentSteeringAxis) >= 0.1f)
    {
         const float DirectionFactor = (LastUsedGroundGear == ESimplifiedDirection::Reverse) ? -1.f : 1.f;
        if (bCompletelyInTheAir)
        {
            //#todo: Find a way to clamp torque speed while in air (ask designer what to do with the curve).
            const float ControlRatio = AirControlCurve ? AirControlCurve->GetFloatValue(TimeFalling) : 1.f;
            if (bOrientRotationToMovementInAir)
            {
                RootBodyInstance->AddForce(((FVector::DotProduct(RGRightVector, CurrentHorizontalVelocity) * -1.f) * (ORIENT_ROTATION_VELOCITY_MAX_RATE * OrientRotationToMovementInAirInfluenceRate)) * RGRightVector, false, false);
            }
            else
            {
                RootBodyInstance->AddForce(CurrentSteeringAxis * RGRightVector * AirStrafeAcceleration * ControlRatio);
            }
            SteeringForce = RGUpVector * DirectionFactor * CurrentSteeringAxis * AirTorqueAcceleration * ControlRatio;
        }
        else
        {
            // Removing error to compute the steering (therefore expected 0.f is 0.f and not 0.0001)
            const float ApproximateForwardVelocity = FMath::FloorToFloat(FMath::Abs(LocalVelocity.X));
            const float TargetSteerSpeed = SteeringActionCurve ? SteeringActionCurve->GetFloatValue(ApproximateForwardVelocity) : 1.f;
            if (FMath::Abs(CurrentAngularSpeed) < (TargetSteerSpeed * FMath::Abs(CurrentSteeringAxis)))
            {
                SteeringForce = RGUpVector * DirectionFactor * TorqueAcceleration;
            }
        }
    }
}```

ill test it more tomorrow and see if I can fix it unless you see anything out of place

[pearl elk]

yeah I wouldnt mess with that function, theres basically two which control most of the functionality and this is one of em

4.27 Im guessing?

[fathom wadi]

yeah 4.27.2 with a chaos build

other than the steering issue it looks really good. Drives through the loop the loop which is something im looking for also. I wrote my own vehicles but they were lacking so went looking for pre-mades.

[pearl elk]

yeah there is alot of easy adjustments via curves, that was my input into the project. I helped Vor make it abit easier to adjust from a design perspective rather than just a heap of floats

[fathom wadi]

its very nice from what I've seen. Better than the vehicle movement component for my purpose (and in general tbh 😄 )

[pearl elk]

much easier than adjusting gear ratios, there was a talk I got the curves idea from I think it was about Crash Team Racing

[fathom wadi]

I watched that Space Dust Racing video and the GDC talk for Rocket league. Both lead me to believe that simulation style is overkill for most cases

[pearl elk]

yup those are the first two I started with as well, RL talk is great but there is a heavy focus on replication

[fathom wadi]

well the person I was chatting with was in lounge so it made sense to post it where I was chatting to them.

[pearl elk]

I only recognize lounge as our lord and saviour

[fathom wadi]

praise be to all slackers.

https://tenor.com/view/bob-dobbs-subgenius-gif-18809341

time to watch an episode of Mr.Robot and sleep on some code

[zinc matrix]

this gif is too masculine

[unreal ether]

I can finally sleep after ASM

34 lines to essentially do

do {
character = (char)_getwche();
} while(!isalpha(character))

[deep copper]

💪

[zinc matrix]

😦

Windows 11 trying to behave like i3 title manager sometimes when the taskbar hiding bugs is superb!

at least Notepad has a dark theme

[deep copper]

i still haven't tried out win 11, how is it overall?

[zinc matrix]

despite the rounded windows

i do not know much difference

ah, and the symmetrical logo at the taskbar menu

[deep copper]

ooo

they are following more flat and modern ui style

not sure how to feel about it

[zinc matrix]

i hope they work out efficiency at maximum after this changes on style... which personally i liked much

[deep copper]

also i tried Csound basic documentation first tutorial thing, it's kinda cool, but I couldn't get more time for trying other stuff

[zinc matrix]

one thing that bothered me is from time to time my PC just boots at a white screen and Windows wants to re-configure with default options my web browser (Edge) and set my OneDrive to backup my Desktop / Documents and Pictures

actually i think it does once after some months after the install

but i did installed Linux between, so probably it is just once

[deep copper]

they were experimenting with new ways to add advertisements in it recently

[zinc matrix]

i did not saw any ad yet

[deep copper]

that sounds a bit, annoying?

[deep copper]

that's good!

[zinc matrix]

super creep! plus the first install apps like Instagram which is a capped browser version accessing the website, Facebook, Disney+, Spotify and thousands of unwanted bits

but they are less than 300 mb afterall...

[deep copper]

ugh

[zinc matrix]

not a motive to rage

BUT ARCH LINUX IS WAY BETTER

[deep copper]

still though, scrolling through so many would be a pain

[deep copper]

you enjoyed it? only if more softwares suppport linux...

[zinc matrix]

it was fun to install and apps that i use are updated according

i think Godot is on 3.2 on Debian repositories

and the actual version is 3.4 or 3.5

[deep copper]

godot huh, that does sound like something linux people would use

[zinc matrix]

as Blender idling at 2.93

[deep copper]

it's only 20 mb afteralll

[zinc matrix]

if i was not a code monkey i would change from UE

[deep copper]

are you planning to move onto blender 3 anytime soon?

[zinc matrix]

but there is so few tutorials compared to UE and most of them i do not have my head wrapped to translate equally into the engine

[zinc matrix]

i am following the updates! I am on 3.0.1 or 3.1

[deep copper]

ah right right, also isn't godot 2d only?

[zinc matrix]

but actually i just tweaked a bit on geo-nodes there... it is not that easy

[deep copper]

nice nice! is it any faster than 2.9.x?

[zinc matrix]

i know the render got updated but i never rendered anything

[deep copper]

geo noes yeah, they will probably change a bit more in the next few updates

[deep copper]

i see i see

[zinc matrix]

i was thinking today into the visualization of all instruments melody / harmony vs. a common DAW

and i took a note of suggesting generating score linear / exponential curves instead of having to implement them at the instrument logic

as this,

; invoking linear value change in amp parameter (p4)
; INST STR DUR AMP NOTE ;
i1 0 5 lin(0, 3, 5) 8.05

[deep copper]

DAWs are still more, intuitive, but csound just has so mant textures to the sound, ofc, if you don't have access to giant synths, csound is great alternative

[zinc matrix]

but i still have to take a look if there is other way of doing it, afterall it is pretty solid and code based, so probably i am overthinking

[deep copper]

i haven't dived deep enough into it yet, otherwise i would definitely try suggesting something 😔

[zinc matrix]

i liked that i can visualize the whole stuff, even being a bit slower than changing between MIDI piano-roll information

and playing microtonal notes... that is cool

like middle C (c4) as note 8.00

and 8.0025 is C4 + 25 cents

[deep copper]

you can also type in the frequency you want in hertz in some cases

it gives room for trying out odd harmony theories

[zinc matrix]

oh! it is too clunk using Hz to compose

at least in a more traditional way of writing music

[deep copper]

i can understand, too much thinking

[zinc matrix]

use this one, http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/cpspch.html

it converts the Hz into simple numbers, like D4 is 8.02, F3 is 7.05

[deep copper]

that's a cool one

also, kiss, where?

😘

[zinc matrix]

hehehe

!8ball should i?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Outlook good.

[deep copper]

and how is cycling going for you?

[zinc matrix]

i cycled today

i am taking every window of no-rain i can

but i installed my mudguards anyway

[deep copper]

hmm? did you switch your account? i don't have notes on this account

[zinc matrix]

yeah, i need for a ban on a english server

[deep copper]

you did say you will make a new one 🤔

[deep copper]

mudguard M

?*

[zinc matrix]

yeah... i used the same e-mail and the same phone

it was just because i went banned for good from the community because i joked the admin at the end

but they are so big they do not even remember me

i like their chat as inspiration of chat-type

and sometimes i pop some english doubt that i have

[deep copper]

seriously?

even with the same name?

[zinc matrix]

yeah, it is bigger than 400k users

and i waited some months before do it

[deep copper]

ah, that makes sense

[deep copper]

also your old account notes vanished?!? if account gets deleted so do my notes??! that's terrible, discord

[zinc matrix]

Discord is terrible!

[deep copper]

ah, cycles's wheel's back metal thing!

[zinc matrix]

what the heck i can delete my old account, create a new one with the same address and go clean on every server i went banned

[zinc matrix]

super for keep it clean on wet asphalt and having no spray at your face

my tyres are at the end of life

i am cycling like a safe-scary-children

[deep copper]

that's, kinda neat in a way

[deep copper]

it sprays on face otherwise?!

[zinc matrix]

on high speed, yes

and it sprays at your back too

[deep copper]

better stay safe yeah

[zinc matrix]

high speed = 25 Km/h i think it is enough

keke

[deep copper]

that's quite troubling

i will keep that in mind if i ever cycle

..well i will have to figure out how to balance on 2 wheels first

[zinc matrix]

you can use that assist wheels of kids

or cycle with someone, like a tandem

https://tenor.com/view/teamwork-bikes-gif-5261226

https://tenor.com/view/kikis-delivery-service-anime-ghibli-bike-biking-gif-16931863

oh this one is beautiful

i cried like a baby basically the whole movies because it was about deliveries

😄 hehe

[deep copper]

that's ..

[deep copper]

too embarrassing but okay

[deep copper]

i haven't seen it, which movie is it?

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/feline-cat-kitty-bike-miss-you-gif-17309430

i never cycled a tandem

[zinc matrix]

Kiki's Delivery Service

[deep copper]

that's a long cycle

[zinc matrix]

Kiki's is not sad to cry but the moment i watched i was recently quitted my job of bicycle courier

[deep copper]

ah... it hit hard huh

[zinc matrix]

and of course i was high too

[zinc matrix]

yeah.. watching a marathon of Ghibli movies without subtitles on its original language and lots of weed is no good for one head

[deep copper]

that actually sounds like a heart warming experience

lol

[zinc matrix]

oh yes, and it was my first time

i think the only movie i saw a bit again was Nausicaa

but i did not went much further when it started

tho, i think it is one of the best movies i saw

[deep copper]

oh i see, i will note that as well i suppose

[zinc matrix]

if you dig Ghibli studio style, i bet you will want to watch it all

i do not know how dialogues goes

but for me just the animation it is superb

like old Disney animations but for adults

[deep copper]

i have heard how great ghibli is, it's everywhere on yt

i do plan to check them out eventually

[zinc matrix]

my Youtube is about Japanese soul music

and GDC lectures

[buoyant briar]

Heyo there

All good?

[zinc matrix]

super & yurself?

[buoyant briar]

Pretty cool so far

Getting ready for college, also finally pulled some funds for a new PC!

My 1060 with 3GB Vram was getting old on me...

[zinc matrix]

what are you doing in college?

[buoyant briar]

...Learning?

[zinc matrix]

what field

[deep copper]

that's cool

[deep copper]

😅

[zinc matrix]

it is my second day on them, it started to get boring

[buoyant briar]

Game dev generals

[deep copper]

repetitive huh

[zinc matrix]

starting now?

[buoyant briar]

Starting to go there physically? Yes

I started just when covid hit

[deep copper]

unfortunate timing

..unless you are into masks

[buoyant briar]

Awful I know

[zinc matrix]

@buoyant briar how long does it take to complete it?

[buoyant briar]

5 years

But it's been so fucking slow thanks to being forced to learn online

[deep copper]

wait 5?!

[buoyant briar]

All the classes feel watered down

[deep copper]

that's insanely long

[zinc matrix]

do you like learning stuff by yourself?

[buoyant briar]

Dude I literally can't learn anything on my own

[zinc matrix]

5 years of learning modelling in the internet i bet can lead you to work as a modeller for good companies

[buoyant briar]

I'm like a monkey until someone actually explains me shit

Youtube ain't enough

I'm not letting college be the only thing

[zinc matrix]

ah ok. i can not stand formal education

[deep copper]

so you prefer being a bit forced to learn, understandable

[buoyant briar]

I practice and develop my own art

It's not being forced

[zinc matrix]

excuse me but are you based on Brazil?

[deep copper]

then, having topics broken down?

[buoyant briar]

Rather I need the assurance of someone more... smart

[deep copper]

ah,

[buoyant briar]

I'm from Argentina, why...?

[zinc matrix]

this duration of college degree in such a vast topic feels as a southern american thing

https://www.thefarm51.com/eng/careers/

this looks interesting

[buoyant briar]

I don't think 5 years is too much

[zinc matrix]

and they offer training

[buoyant briar]

I like putting time to study

[zinc matrix]

yeah, for learning all the fields of game dev... still, you will end a good video-game thinker if you dedicated your soul out

[deep copper]

5 years is usually for like, giant course things that stay intact for a bit longer, the world moves a bit too ahead in 5 years, well the core concepts should remain the same, just different tools

[zinc matrix]

university are really good to make contacts to people starting and to know veterans

[buoyant briar]

Yeah also one thing

It's free

[deep copper]

yup,

[buoyant briar]

Like, Argentina has free college

So... might as well?

[zinc matrix]

that is cool

[deep copper]

free 5 year course and you aren't forced ? now that's interesting

[buoyant briar]

Yeah like it's not that I want a diploma or anything

It's just a good source of most things to enter the industry at no cost other than putting the time

[deep copper]

that explains why the watered down course though due to covid

[zinc matrix]

once i lived for short weeks on a house of cinema students in Argentina, they were VERY energetic towards production

[buoyant briar]

Also, since I don't need to worry about having a full time or part time job

[zinc matrix]

but you have to understand that getting a job as game designer is really hard

and if you stay at your university bubble, you will not shine probably

[deep copper]

within 5 years you should have connections and portfolio

so dw

[buoyant briar]

I completely understand the risks and difficulties of this field

[deep copper]

yeah it will definitely take some self effort as well

[zinc matrix]

i mean, if you do not go beyond by your own...

[buoyant briar]

And there is 1 thing I need to work on to truly pop out in the field

Social development

[deep copper]

yup

that can actually get you more further than good skills at times...

[buoyant briar]

I know I can do it

Like back in my first major

Industrial design

I had the absolute worst project to pitch, it was the simplest one and least flamboyant

But my pitch itself, according to the head teacher, was the best of them all

In half the time limit I had already convinced everyone my idea was great without even lying about it

[deep copper]

good good!

[buoyant briar]

Buuut

I did make a slip, I ain't perfect

As I said, I wrapped it up simple and fast... But I felt I had to keep talking until time ran out

[deep copper]

it's fine, you were there for learning experience, not a perfect pitch

[buoyant briar]

So I just said some trivial stuff and so

Nontheless, it's that moment what I recall when I wanna think of my own potential

[deep copper]

actually, irl i think shorter and concise is better, but ofc, talking details at end might help those who want to know more

[zinc matrix]

do not you have a direction by having a degree of design already?

[buoyant briar]

Stuff that reminds me that talent is a made up concept invented by fools

[zinc matrix]

i feel this degree of game development, as it will pass through all the fields in a shallow way is more for young people do not knowing where to aim in the field

[deep copper]

talent is just skill you grasp early on

[zinc matrix]

at least the ones in Brazil, all of them that have this duration and go through all the fields are about that

and i know some people who did / quit

[deep copper]

well it's free anyway, if they are interested it's fine

they need a rough guide it seems anyway

[buoyant briar]

Well it's unavoidable I will need to pick branches to stick to

But that "shallow exploration" is not quite the thing you think

[deep copper]

but yeah, are you not doing anything in industrial design btw rn?

[zinc matrix]

!8ball is Jeff Bezos really Lex Luthor?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Yes.

[zinc matrix]

Of course...

[buoyant briar]

It involves legals, statistics, that sort of stuff. The goal isn't a jack of all trades, is to create awareness of all areas relevant to the industry for the sake of working as smoothly as you can

[deep copper]

!8ball is everyone lex luthor

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: My sources say no.

[deep copper]

!8ball is anyone without hair lex luthor

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[deep copper]

not now..?

[zinc matrix]

yeah, sure. you will be ahead of Youtube heads etc. but if you try to compete in a job offer on coding vs. someone that did Computational Science or whatever code specific, i bet you loose by not having too much knowledge

or competing against a modeller dedicated into it the whole period of 5 years

[buoyant briar]

I don't really aim for programming though

And I didn't start modelling JUST NOW

[zinc matrix]

but for a indie company it feels a great deal, specially that you will met like minded people

!8ball do Amazon employees still have to pee in bottles?

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[zinc matrix]

Figures...

[buoyant briar]

But in a more realistic sense

Is there even a better way to practice for preparing to get into the game industry?

[zinc matrix]

if you have a direction, like i want to be a 3d artist on level design

[buoyant briar]

My other option is to study another thing, and work as that for twice as long until I can afford to make a leap of faith

[zinc matrix]

then doing a degree or study on that specific field i think can take you further

[buoyant briar]

I completely have a direction, 3D art and overall game design...

Probably translation or writing as I have actual professional experience there

[zinc matrix]

well, i am not proper developer and i lack formal education, just to you reconsider my personal opinion

but yeah, 3D art is pretty broad

the college will probably help you with that

as there is 2 main branches, right?