lounge

[wraith harbor]

tru is only twice if u have 7ghz experimental intel

that has the undocumented opcodes ripped out

[signal citrus]

I have a 3970x at home but can barely read text anymore

[deep copper]

i recall building ue4 some old version and it showed 4 days remaining, i was probably doing something very wrong back then

[signal citrus]

Neither these things relevant to air travel I guess

[oblique cloak]

Ugh if ONLY you could paint in quxiel mixer like you can in substance painter 😢

[quasi mantle]

You have time remaining shown? wtf?

[deep copper]

it was there in vs studio i think, i have no idea what i was actually doing even, but i recall asking on the server, maybe slack or whatever at that time, they said it should have just been 4 hours at most

[wraith harbor]

ETA: rand()

[signal citrus]

Some people install incredibuild cuz it sounds nice but then the trial runs out and ue4 compiles are taking 4 threads instead of all of them.. cuz some reason ubt wants to use it if it’s merely installed

[wraith harbor]

Copyright 2022 Epic MegaGames

[signal citrus]

Does a 8 core cpu really take that long these days?

[deep glen]

nexus has "collections" in beta now, people can submit them, others can vote on them. that way good and stable collections are on top, resulting in quick and easy installing bulks of mods and knowing itll run properly.

[oblique cloak]

Wow i just look that up! that is amazing!!

This makes me want to reinstall skyrim >_<

[verbal junco]

@deep glenwhat do you guys do about ban evasion?

[celest musk]

planning something?

[deep copper]

probably about that user which returned

[celest musk]

now you got me curious

[deep copper]

#cpp might have had something happen to it again

[celest musk]

ah okay

[quasi mantle]

I haven't seen that one guy crying about car logic, maybe something else happening

[celest musk]

car logic?

[quasi mantle]

I know he's a serial ban evader

[quasi mantle]

The one that also posted Zoom invites

[verbal junco]

it's the dude who is weeb angry

[oblique cloak]

wait is it the same guy from like last month?

[celest musk]

i'm also fricking angry at a car right now

[deep copper]

this is why car destruction videos are famous i guess

[deep copper]

wha

why would anyone post zoom invites lol

[celest musk]

guess there's more car repair than car destruction videos

[quasi mantle]

Most likely impatience

[deep copper]

even nitro scam makes more sense

[quasi mantle]

He was so impatient that he posted Zoom link all over the server

[oblique cloak]

lol

[deep glen]

bannable.

[quasi mantle]

I'm angry at cars because I can't drive one

And I'm frickin 23 already

[foggy path]

Driving is easy

[deep copper]

i can't drive them because my vision is terrible 😔

[foggy path]

Not crashing into shit when you're in busy traffic is a whole different deal

[deep copper]

or rather, I won't because of that

[foggy path]

lol

[verbal junco]

should I DM if I have someone that I think is ban evading?

[deep copper]

but driving in games is another story, crashing is fun

[quasi mantle]

At least I can blitz through it as a biker

[deep copper]

if anything breaks orc

ofc*

[fleet tangle]

Cralpi? 🙂

[deep copper]

no one knows the name,

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't Cralpi forgiven by DevilsD?

[deep copper]

it could be crapli clarpi or cralpi

[verbal junco]

last I saw they were banned

[fleet tangle]

I have like 10 inch thick glasses and I'm pretty sure my left macula is fubar, I still drive and ride my motorbike like a boss.

[deep glen]

yuz

[celest musk]

sneaky bastard

[fleet tangle]

(Macula is the central part of the retina that gives you detailed vision)

[celest musk]

he will just evade the ban again with another nick

[deep copper]

that's some difficulty++
and then you also have balancing to do on the bike

[deep copper]

maybe also change the attitude this time?

[fleet tangle]

Bikes balance themselves really.

[celest musk]

most likely not

[foggy path]

Takes more effort to evade a ban than to reban the user :P

[deep copper]

i have seen bikers fall though

[fleet tangle]

Probably drunk.

Or doing it wrong™️

Like using the rear brake at speed is a big no no.

[deep copper]

perhaps

[quasi mantle]

Are we talking about this again?

[fleet tangle]

Weebs unite!

[deep copper]

i am not sure who ben meant

[celest musk]

i didn't mean anyone specific

[deep copper]

but if they are changing the nick, might as well, you know, fix why they got banned?

[celest musk]

i just know that kind of people well enough by now

[fleet tangle]

It's not something they can fix, brother1.

[deep copper]

😔

maybe change the engine to something which has less weebs

then they can join that community

[celest musk]

remove fur features from the engine

job done

😄

[deep copper]

that would be furries

[quasi mantle]

Godot doesn't seem to have one atm

[celest musk]

scnr

[deep copper]

right?

[celest musk]

because godot doesn't have a userbase?

[quasi mantle]

Or O3DE for that matter

[deep copper]

hmm, i am guessing they will need to make a custom engine

[foggy path]

I'm not a furry but I'd kinda like to have a fursuit because that seems like just a fun weird thing to own just for shits and giggles lol

[deep copper]

it's basically those mascot clothes

[quasi mantle]

Imagine making an entire game engine just to disallow weeaboos

[foggy path]

but I don't have that much disposable income for something nonsensical like that

[fleet tangle]

That just sounds like an expensive onesie.

[verbal junco]

well if they're identifiable by their attitude

their handle doesn't matter

[timber viper]

Why is the hate against weebs lol

Its ridicilous

[deep copper]

yeah, i wonder what name of an engine will keep weebs away

[quasi mantle]

K-pop

[trail wedge]

they're just mad they have nothing that they like, only things to hate

[deep copper]

kpop does have weebs

[foggy path]

Sounds about right.

[fleet tangle]

Kweebs?

[deep copper]

maybe they are scared someone will take away their waifu

[trail wedge]

it's never a good idea to brag about how you'll come back on another account if you actually intend on "getting away" with it

[trail wedge]

the protag already has their waifu

[fleet tangle]

Not all waifus are taken!

[deep copper]

not all protags live

[foggy path]

It would be interesting to write an AI to perform message analysis on discord

[trail wedge]

protag gets all females in every anime we all know this (even female protags)

[foggy path]

because you can identify users by their writing style

[deep copper]

writing styles evolve, curioes how it would work

[foggy path]

hard to say, for most users it probably doesn't change that much

[deep copper]

i started using " 😁 " after coming here

[foggy path]

I think the main issue would be that I don't know if users produce enough content to really be able to identify a particular style from a chat like discord

[quasi mantle]

I rarely use emojis

(At least the vanilla non-nitro ones)

[deep copper]

you can atleast collect all their data 👁️

[verbal junco]

some things do, some don't

[fleet tangle]

It's probably easy to identify me. I tend to actually end sentences with a full stop and edit my typos like crazy.

[foggy path]

pee pee poo poo

[zinc matrix]

Yewt

[verbal junco]

generally you only adopt things you like. so if you don't like or respect anyone, your writing style won't adapt towards them

[foggy path]

just posting this to throw off any bots currently attempting to analyze me

[fleet tangle]

Is this why Cralpi will never get adopted?

[deep copper]

there was another typo editor here, every message was an edit

forgot the name

[zinc matrix]

I selectively edit typos out

[verbal junco]

I can't get rid of my attitude either

[fleet tangle]

The issue there is, just too many typos.

[verbal junco]

but at least I'm not trying to hide it

[trail wedge]

people in this discord are gullible tho.... they'll believe Blue Man is typing if I change my server nickname and mash the kb 🙂

[timber viper]

huh

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/vampire-adventure-time-evil-evil-thing-gif-9637053

[deep copper]

No
tries to adapt your aggresive style

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hatters-gonna-hate-hatersgonnahate-gunther-gif-19113678

[deep copper]

i did think blue man was typing

but the messege isn't orange

[trail wedge]

I've gotten people to self-exile instead of staying around by doing that 🙂

[trail wedge]

the trick is to never send a message

[deep copper]

noted : quirky

[verbal junco]

smart

[timber viper]

When did u do that

[verbal junco]

would be completely trumped if discord decided to color code the is typing messages

[trail wedge]

I dunno some time in the past in #cpp

[deep copper]

if pfist made mod roles white to better blend in 😳

[trail wedge]

they won't even fix easy things, I doubt that's coming soon lol

[verbal junco]

I'm still wondering why I'm not blocked wholesale by everyone tbh

[trail wedge]

blocking is pointless in Discord

[deep copper]

like i said before, you are a loveable chewtoy !

it just makes your character unique and standout, dw

[deep copper]

tell that to tank

[trail wedge]

why? did they block you?

[deep copper]

and they still read my messages

[timber viper]

Tank blocking everyone

[trail wedge]

I dunno, tank makes their own decisions; the only point of blocking really is to stop DMs imo

[deep copper]

the only downside is i can't react to their messeges, i don't want to say stuff like "lol" or "xD" in a seperate message

[timber viper]

I'm lucky he did not block me in my idontunderstandcppijustpretend times

[quasi mantle]

Don't forget to swear a lot

[timber viper]

I could never discover Re:Zero

[verbal junco]

I barely swear tho

[quasi mantle]

I do

[trail wedge]

yeh I have a few people that blocked me for stupid shit and it's annoying I can't put up arrows on their posts

[deep copper]

or use uncommon words

[verbal junco]

and mentions and people reaccting

[quasi mantle]

"Hey Ron, can we say くそう in the server?"

[trail wedge]

yeh but who cares about either of those that much

[verbal junco]

well if someone does it on every message

[deep copper]

another one is ryobg but they added a plugin so they can't even see my messages, i often wonder how they even talk when non blocked users talk with blocked, and turns out, they go away during that time, they don't talk

[quasi mantle]

Nah, just use the 7 magic words

[timber viper]

How did u manage to get blocked by everyone though

[trail wedge]

does what? I use replies (which make a mention) on almost every post I reply to

[deep copper]

just 2

[trail wedge]

the only regular I know that has me blocked is stranger

[verbal junco]

put reacts. there was a dude that did that to literally everyone in chat a while back

[deep copper]

become a chef as well

[verbal junco]

that you know of 😏

[trail wedge]

umm we all put 🇵 on posts, don't block Lorash lol

[verbal junco]

it was literally every single post for a good half hour or more, no meme or connection

[trail wedge]

memes happen

[quasi mantle]

I memorise all 7 magic words, though I think they expand it to 13 or something

[deep copper]

i tried reacting to all common ones, Ponki blocked me once but it might have gotten inconvenient so they unblocked

[quasi mantle]

Also "shit" is kinda tame nowadays

[trail wedge]

just because you don't understand the #cpp madness doesn't mean the memes aren't "real"

[fleet tangle]

All the words are tame.

[verbal junco]

it was in #lounge tho

I don't block people in #cpp

and it was just a random person

[trail wedge]

that's #cpp #2

[verbal junco]

I don't think they hung around

[deep copper]

what are they?

[quasi mantle]

Compared to N-word?

[deep copper]

which n word exactly?

there are 2 i can think of

[verbal junco]

the one that gets you banned

[deep copper]

both do lol

i think

[quasi mantle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words

[deep copper]

ah, the common words they use in rap or whatever

[verbal junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P5_-JaIGIw

[deep copper]

i feel very tired

isn't impersonating not allowed in discord tos?

[quasi mantle]

Are you going to impersonate your waifu?

[deep copper]

yes, CE

[quasi mantle]

Give me that fricking passive aggresive behaviour baby

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-meme-what-confused-gif-16191442

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

that's the best i can do

[quasi mantle]

#graphics

[verbal junco]

#graphics

[deep copper]

CE impersonating CE

that looks like a face

[deep copper]

also wasn't xero impersonating blue man

[deep copper]

that smile at the end

[trail wedge]

no you misunderstand, I changed my name

I never claimed to be anybody

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[verbal junco]

it fits with their icon

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't Blue Man greyscale?

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/traumatized-cat-scared-terrified-nervous-gif-17769683

[foggy path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-tobias-blue-myself-AVD4STcQQhkZO

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/tobias-funke-david-cross-blue-myself-arrested-development-face-palm-gif-3567424

[broken sigil]

Lol

[verbal junco]

sad days

[foggy path]

it's getting pretty fucky over there... my coworker with her family was in kharkiv until saturday, heard today they reached polish border so thankfully they're out

[verbal junco]

yeah it's brutal. I guess russia realized they can't fight face to face so they've resorted to bombing from afar

[regal pecan]

Confirmed casualties? Could be a miss. Or a very precise hit, but that seems laughable.

Doesn't compare with the idiot who decided an evacuation corridor should go over a minefield.

[timber viper]

Today both Ukraine and Russian foreign affairs visited Turkey

They hinted a Zelensky and Putin meeting

If it happens, I think a proper ceasefire can happen

[foggy path]

I'm thinking more like an attempt at someone's life :P

[timber viper]

Zelesnky?

That can't happen in a NATO country

[foggy path]

I wouldn't put it beyond putin to have some kind of scheme for it

[carmine frigate]

that guy is too far gone

[regal pecan]

They didn't hit the NPP directly. Then again, maybe they should have... I'm sure someone made boatloads of money off of the Chernobyl sarcophagus.

[carmine frigate]

the internet is at play a lot more now

im not too woried about the plant, more the ppl that work there

when the rods are out it should be safe

[regal pecan]

The spent fuel is the big issue, judging by Fukushima.

[timber viper]

If that plant starts to spoil some dangerous things whole Black Sea and people who live there will be in trouble though 😄

And if foods get toxicated, Europe can miss wheats (Ukraine and Russia are countries that importing most of the wheats to Europe)

[carmine frigate]

minor details atm 😛

[regal pecan]

oh no my wheats

Wheats are gone
tractors are too busy towing dead tanks

[carmine frigate]

cant believe how big of an area with free internets gets turned into N korea in 2 weeks

[regal pecan]

do you mean the whole of Russia?

[carmine frigate]

yea, i know its a lot of rural

[regal pecan]

going to have to bring back AOL

[carmine frigate]

well total collapse of russian economy is imminent so we will prolly see some really fucked up shit for the comin 20 years

when i see the propaganda about nazies and druggies... im like... druggies aint that bad

i see them commit not so many warcrimes

[quasi mantle]

Reminds me of local joke where Muslims will do anything but drinking alcohol and eating pork (and sometimes non marital sex)

[carmine frigate]

@quasi mantle where is the punchline?

Hevedy tells better jokes

and he is horrible

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-ping-pong-gif-8942945

[zinc matrix]

want a horrible joke?

ok

what do you call two mongols in the same family but aren't related?

||steppe brothers ||

[carmine frigate]

i would have to google steppe brothers

[zinc matrix]

nevermind

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-so-much-space-many-activities-large-room-gif-15359454

or ill use discord gif search for my info

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-stepbrothers-will-ferrell-dale-doback-gif-8551618

[fathom wadi]

now im the mood for some Combichrist

[quasi mantle]

Punchline involves killing and bombing, but I'd rather not get into it
I'm fucking not into mood for religion/politics.

[carmine frigate]

well ur not making the joke any better

[quasi mantle]

It's only funny for me okay
Fricking hell man

I'm out of my daily F-bomb quota now

Now gtfo and talk about something else

[carmine frigate]

well u guys dont tell jokes right

2 birds are sittin in a tree... a jetplane flies over..

1 bird to the other.. damn he is screaming a lot

the other.. what would you do if ur tail was on fire

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[zinc matrix]

I don't get it

Or maybe I do

[unreal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-when-they-find-you-in-prop-hunt-slide-gif-16539242

still one of my favourite gifs

so stupid but so good

[oblique cloak]

to drunk to dev.... time to tell kids they suck at video games.

[zinc matrix]

🙂 This is pretty good

[queen oyster]

It took me a second to understand it haha

[unreal ether]

my guy isn't the "Are ya winning son?" dad

he just walks in and goes "lmao git gud"

but drunk dev time sounds like the most fun anyway, no better time to make features for a game than when you're pissed

[solid hull]

Me: I'll just check for changes in this variable on Tick.
UE: You fool, you absolute noob. Game logic is to be executed through Events.

• Later *

Me: Okay, now how do I trigger a state transition with an Event in Anim BP?
UE: You fool, you massive buffoon.

[fathom wadi]

I hardly ever use tick but last night I had to make a tracing system to align a mesh rotation to another mesh whilst it moves around and has input factored in. I could have done it with a timer but meh

[verbal junco]

you can even enable and disable tick at will

[timber viper]

Also aggregating ticks saves ~%10 performance cost for free

If number of tickable actors too high it can be up to %15

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/ticks-tick-bug-invasion-over-run-invasion-gif-13840959

[tulip orbit]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a09c42984f9b06a6698fd2d517856ef8/tumblr_pjctn4hl5N1urdbd0o1_400.gifv

[onyx root]

Does anyone else think that the UE5 UI looks much worse than the UE4 UI?

because I do

[zinc matrix]

Might take some getting used to

I don't really like the content browser being hidden by default

[onyx root]

yeah, I absolute hate that

[tulip orbit]

you can still dock it, then its not an issue anymore

its less of a PITA to switch than turning off VR 😄

[onyx root]

doesnt it reset everytime you close and open the editor tho?

[tulip orbit]

dont recall it doing that in the early builds

should remember your setting for that project

[onyx root]

ah ok. Thats good to know. I gotta try that out.

[tulip orbit]

good luck. am off to work 😦

[onyx root]

you're off to work? Are you in Asia or something?

[zinc matrix]

It's the afternoon in asia (the east at least) lol

[onyx root]

ah ok lol.

[cursive crypt]

Planet Earth would be my bet.

[zinc matrix]

safe bet

[cursive crypt]

Yes.

[deep copper]

for all you know it could be nightshift

[onyx root]

perhaps, I guess we'll never know 🤷🏼‍♂️

[deep copper]

they said it before i think, but idk

[onyx root]

!8ball does @tulip orbit work the night shift?

[turbid spindle]

@onyx root, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

[left granite]

!8ball who am I ?

[turbid spindle]

@left granite, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[quasi mantle]

Same

[quasi mantle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(band)

[deep copper]

1968 to present?

that's so long

[left granite]

😅

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: It is decidedly so.

[deep copper]

!8ball are tanks real

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: You may rely on it.

[deep copper]

i don't think tank would let us rely...

what's with march?

AH

🤣

[tulip orbit]

Nightshift

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-im-just-the-night-shift-night-shift-batman-the-animated-series-gif-22097116

[deep copper]

knowing interitus, they are the night itself

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BozMu0xCnU&ab_channel=MURDASHOW

[dark sequoia]

https://www.pcgamer.com/rimworld-has-been-removed-from-steam-in-australia-after-all/

lol welp

[cursive crypt]

I suppose it is good game.

[quasi mantle]

Of all places to region block a game

it was Australia.

[dark sequoia]

sadly it seems to happen quite alot over there

people suspect this was provoked due to Steam deck, possibly

or something like that

either way, thats a shame but at least those who already bought it get to keep it lol

[quasi mantle]

I heard Australian rating board were stringent

Probably similar reason why Mortal Kombat 11 got region blocked from Indonesia and Japan

[cursive crypt]

Just checked. There is really MK 11... wtf, this is a so exploited soap opera.

[zinc matrix]

what they blocked a game here?

lol

[trail wedge]

RimWorld got blocked because they wanted to be on console in AU and the ratings board denied it because of things like cabalism/psychopathy/drugs/etc

The issue is this ended up retroactively affecting the Steam version

[zinc matrix]

Yeah

who cares about console

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah i remember now, it was consoles

lol consoles

the built in content for the game is incredibly tame, ironically. yeah the themes listed exist, but its mostly textual based paired with simplistic graphics and cartoonish blood splatters. although the mods on the other hand, thats a whole other story haha... 10x more "bad" content going on there, including sex mods

[deep copper]

poor thing

[wraith harbor]

brother(s)..

[deep copper]

facefeed

[quasi mantle]

ouch

[dark sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba9k5SWwE38

[wraith harbor]

wonder if those sub 100k tc for a c++ programmer jobs u see on #salary-jobs ever get filled

should make a bot that tracks em i always see it go from 5yrs exp to 4,3,2,1 then "anyone, even blueprints"

[deep copper]

"as long as you can turn the computer on"

[quasi mantle]

Really? I thought they stick to their high bars.

[wraith harbor]

hmm maybe, guess it goes both ways don't check em that often only for a laugh sometimes

[quasi mantle]

It's less entertaining than #volunteer-projects for sure

[wraith harbor]

nothin wrong with deploying a few free segfaults tho

it's only memey if it's an actual co. tryna lowball you 50% market rate or so

[foggy path]

100k is a shitton of money in a lot of countries

even many places in europe like Finland :P

[cursive crypt]

60% taxes join the chat

[foggy path]

it's more like 40% or so :P

[unborn lotus]

if you work as a freelancer, our taxes are only 6% of what you bill 😛

[foggy path]

if you work as a freelancer here, enjoy paying your own pension insurance and other fun things lol

(which are normally deducted from your salary by your employer)

no escape.

although technically you can have them calculate your pension fees from a smaller amount of income than you're actually making, but there's a lower limit and it's usually not recommended as it obviously it means it's going to eat into the pension you'll get when you retire :P

[unborn lotus]

Yeah, same, I also am legally employed with minimum wage by my own firm, something like 450 euros from which I get 300 euros, just to cover health insurance. But pensions? I doubt that's going to be a thing in 30-40 years 😆

I think we'll have a reverse mortgage type thing. Because already our dwindling population can't support all these pensions now, let alone then when a really small percentage of people will be employed

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-rider-car-pontiac-gif-10787731

batman sidekick

[verbal junco]

isn't this why freelancers are paid more

[foggy path]

Generally yeah

[verbal junco]

but specifically, no.

[zinc matrix]

😳

do you think they make it on purpose

lol

[deep copper]

not sure what i am looking at

[dark sequoia]

looks like... sex robot! sex robot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gi57NJDds

[deep copper]

🤔

[verbal junco]

you let the young people take the channel over and it just gets weird

[thick belfry]

This store is missing the point lmao

[deep copper]

i thought T shirt could be unisex as well

[thick belfry]

I mean all clothing is unisex really

Nothing prevent you from wearing a dress

[deep copper]

[verbal junco]

the inferior stats do

[deep copper]

it looks like surrender flag

🏳️

not the 🏳️‍🌈

[verbal junco]

oh look it's the french flag

[onyx root]

rip

[quasi mantle]

Really?

Because once I get a "metalhead" long hair, I do plan to have an anime dress just for the lols

[verbal junco]

enjoy the "no pockets" experience 😔

[deep copper]

either don't carry anything, or get a handbag

or backpack or something

or just, store it in your inner clothing...

honestly, with how huge mobile phones are, you will definitely need something big

[verbal junco]

this is how they get you

first you get clothing without pockets

next you're looking at louis vitton handbags

[deep copper]

yeah then inner clothing it is, if you plan to cross dress you will definitely have some storage space depending on what you get

i think

in either scenario though, you are looking for something to carry stuff, getting rid of stuff sounds good during that time

[timber viper]

I wonder why lately people started to avoid narrative-heavy games

[fleet tangle]

Following a narrative requires focus.

[timber viper]

Even Marvel's Guardians of Galaxy failed, they ended up releasing their game on Xbox Game Pass

[verbal junco]

lately? 🤔

[timber viper]

From what I can see, yeah

Lately

After ~2018

[verbal junco]

most narrative heavy games are terribly told

so even if the story is good

the way it is conveyed matters more

[timber viper]

Data says only %3 of the people finished Death Stranding

Its a game with great storytelling and cinematics

[fleet tangle]

People haven't been finishing narrative-based games since their inception.

[verbal junco]

cinematics aren't great storytelling for games

Hideo Kojima would be a better movie director than a game director IMO

[timber viper]

But they buy it, just very less of them finish the games. I cant reason it

[fleet tangle]

They get bored or the next new flashy game comes along and they play that instead.

[timber viper]

Yeah, but its uniqueness is nice so I'd like him to stay in the industry

[timber viper]

So you think its because of amount of the games?

Thats reasonable, options are too much

[verbal junco]

again I think what people think is "great storytelling" isn't really "great storytelling"

a game's narrative should be told through gameplay

not cutscenes

[timber viper]

Not everyone also finished DOOM Eternal I guess, so maybe its not because of narrative heaviness or storytelling. People just dont finish games 🤔

[verbal junco]

not excessive dialogue

[fleet tangle]

Doom Eternal was just bad.

[timber viper]

I liked it

[fleet tangle]

It was boring :/

I like other Doom games!

[timber viper]

It had a solid gameplay loop but it was very repetitive

[dark sequoia]

interesting, thats the first time ive heard a negative thing about it tbh

[fleet tangle]

I just got bored after a few hours.

[timber viper]

How many people finished SOMA or Prey then 🤔 I doubt its still very high*

[dark sequoia]

i do understand the stance of something being repetitive definitely, but its a stretch to say it is "bad" as a result, but oh well

[fleet tangle]

If a game can't keep my interest for more than a couple of hours, I'd say it was pretty bad.

[timber viper]

People play CoD multiplayer and BR games like crazy without getting bored but non-competitive games are just displaying weird results

[dark sequoia]

for you yeah, which is a big difference thats important to remember haha. many games are repetitive, or uninteresting depending on the person playing it

[timber viper]

I can understand why people dont finish games or dont play them much, but I dont understand why/how they are buying it in that case

[fleet tangle]

There's really no way to objectively rate a game, other than on its performance (smooth frame rates, not crashing, ease of use, etc.)

[dark sequoia]

thats also true as well

[timber viper]

Also only very less people passed first boss in recently released Sifu game, according to web. But its sold 500k copies

[fleet tangle]

If I could be bothered, I'd probably go back and do what I did in the 00s, pirate the game and if I like it, I buy it.

Same thing I do with books.

[cursive crypt]

Maybe it becomes bad/bore a bit down the experience? Unmet expectations. Getting distracted by something else, then returning back is just "meh".

[quasi mantle]

Maybe the play time is past the refundable point

[fleet tangle]

Haha

[timber viper]

I feel some 'overwhelming' emotion among gamers, but I dont know honestly. All I see is people buy games like crazy but never play it enough. Elden Ring is only exception I saw so far since two years. I dont count Cyberbug 2077 disaster

[quasi mantle]

Just look at those games that are shorter than 2 hours. People play it through until end point, refund it, and say they like it.

[fleet tangle]

Like the game, not the developer, eh? 😛

[verbal junco]

SOMA integrates the narrative in the world very well. you could read no dialogue in that game and still understand the story completely. I think I'll as far as to say that it is the best written video game ever, and one of the best told

[quasi mantle]

Not even in a speedrun pace, able to be completed in < 2 hours.

[dark sequoia]

i dont do that stuff, lol... i buy games that I truly want and i play em and thats about it. but yeah many "gamers" have that bad habit and its why AAA companies continue to shovel out generic stuff. although that being said, it also doesnt automatically mean the game they are buying is bad as well... at least not always, which is very common misconception, unfortunately

[dark sequoia]

in other words, just buy the games you wanna play and enjoy em, thats about it heh

[timber viper]

That's why I mentioned SOMA

[timber viper]

Its 2017 data, but it cant be increased more than a few percentages I guess over the time

[quasi mantle]

Also indies have to make games that are longer than 2 hours.
Otherwise this happens
https://www.pcgamer.com/before-your-eyes-steam-refund-two-hours/

[dark sequoia]

also theres the argument that "no one cares about single player games anymore" thats often said by some people and even companies... which is extremely flawed and incorrect. it only seems that way due to how fewer singleplayer games there are. like SOMA, for example

[verbal junco]

also Prey does the same. it's the same thing where they tell the narrative through the game itself. the whole tutorial is narratively driven. the glass shatter is narratively driven

[dark sequoia]

lol wow

[quasi mantle]

Personally I'd have my game's story span up to 36 hours, in casual pace.

[dark sequoia]

that sounds very ambitious, but yeah definitely go for it and I hope it works out!

[fleet tangle]

You can pad gameplay a lot with exploration mechanics.

[timber viper]

Prey looks like has more finished rate compared to SOMA

[dark sequoia]

another very good example of a single player game with large amounts of replayability is the Hitman games

[quasi mantle]

I mean, my game is pretty much too influenced by Final Fantasy (and some dose of Idolmaster)

[verbal junco]

you have to have a consideration of genres at this point, and themes. people aren't big on sci fi in general. people aren't big on horror. that is going to move the demographic quite a bit

[quasi mantle]

So padding by exploration is pretty much within my document

[dark sequoia]

those games dont rely on the length of its playthrough, it relies on playing through it multiple times and having a different experience every time.

[fleet tangle]

I think I spent 120 odd hours on my first baldur's gate 2 playthrough.

[dark sequoia]

btw the Hitman games are among my fav games of all time, heh

[fleet tangle]

Most of that was exploration!

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-of-culture-gif-20099443

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

[timber viper]

I'm not into Hitman

[cursive crypt]

He bald

[timber viper]

lmao

I wasnt expecting that

[quasi mantle]

Hitman is one of those sandbox games...

[dark sequoia]

Ive played every game in the entire franchise... well except for Hitman 3 because waiting for Steam sales lol

[fleet tangle]

I used to love stealth games. I don't know any more.

[quasi mantle]

BTW did Hitman 3 includes all the levels? Or is it necessary to buy previous two games?

[verbal junco]

hitman's design is among the best in any game IMO

[verbal junco]

it should include previous

[dark sequoia]

for the newest trilogy of games, they can all be bridged together if you own all the games

its that sorta thing

[verbal junco]

they gave away hitman 2 not so long ago

[dark sequoia]

which combines into one even bigger game

[quasi mantle]

Well, personally I wish I could buy them all at once.

Something like complete edition

[dark sequoia]

and even more cool is for the recent game, it has VR which is useable in all the levels (if you own those games, and have VR)

[quasi mantle]

"Here's some people to assassinate. How you're going to kill them is up to you."

[timber viper]

I dont like the fact you can kill everyone but if they didnt see u, everyone is still calm

[dark sequoia]

now that being said, i also feel that the recent releases have been a complete mess in terms of purchasing it, and knowing what you're getting

[timber viper]

Random security guy packs the body and keeps roaming around like nothing happened

[dark sequoia]

they really screwed that part up sadly

but the games themselves are great yeah

[verbal junco]

this is what I teach every day to my peers

@timber viper btw most of my design philosophy comes from hitman design

[quasi mantle]

It's just confusing IMO

[dark sequoia]

also in Hitman my fav aspect is that you can play perfectly for the best score and unlocks... or you can just kill everyone, which is not always as easy as it sounds if you take that approach lol

[quasi mantle]

I'd wait for it to have complete edition, and then try some crazy speedrun strat for SA/SO

[dark sequoia]

in fact, one personal challenge i often do for myself is to make it a goal to kill every single person in the level... without alerting anyone while doing so, one by one, lol.. (doesnt work in levels with crowds tho, for obvious reasons)

[quasi mantle]

Kill Everyone challenge eh

[dark sequoia]

and extra challenge if you restrict the weapon type

[quasi mantle]

Personally I think Silent Assassin + Suit Only is the more juicy one

[dark sequoia]

pistols with headshots only and never missing.. or using garrote wire only, and etc

[verbal junco]

tbh I'm glad people like hitman's design. I genuinely believe their approach is the future of (especially) level design

[quasi mantle]

I kinda disagree on the level design, but the gameplay is what I appreciate the most

[verbal junco]

gameplay is level design

sooo

[dark sequoia]

my only complaint is the lack of dual wielding... which was a signature look and gunplay style for Agent 47 in the entire series but then in the newest games they did without it

[quasi mantle]

I'm a sucker for sandbox type gameplay

[verbal junco]

that is level design

in fact that is some of the purest level design you can get

[quasi mantle]

Then I'm afraid I have different perspective on what level design is.

[verbal junco]

level design is not arting up a level

[dark sequoia]

the levels are very detailed and packed with content too

[verbal junco]

what you've learned from youtube about level design is wrong

[dark sequoia]

they are freeform and large, but they arent empty with a bunch of filler either

[verbal junco]

and every single person in the industry will tell you this

[quasi mantle]

It is, but I agree to disagree.

[dark sequoia]

well its also important to note that theres many different approaches to level design and styles, for me it mostly depends on the type of gameplay that matches it

[verbal junco]

it will never be. level artists and environment artists exist for a reason

[quasi mantle]

Now granted, I'm coming from a modder background, not an industry veteran.

[verbal junco]

"speed" level design is not level design

[cursive crypt]

Awww... the famous: wtf is #level-design

[verbal junco]

then maybe it'd be wise to have the same view as industry veterans

just saying

[quasi mantle]

#level-design is fucking #graphics in disguise

[dark sequoia]

the best examples of level design are in Mario Maker!

[cursive crypt]

lewd

[verbal junco]

personofculture.gif

[quasi mantle]

I don't see myself hiring you as an advisor, but thanks

[verbal junco]

mario maker is great. if only they'd ever do a web version

[dark sequoia]

its also a very useful level design technique to stick in secret dev doors that only you know about so that you can beat the game easier, haha 🙃

[verbal junco]

that's quite OK, I got a dayjob in the industry... doing level design

[dark sequoia]

lol just kidding (but yes that was a common thing in Mario Maker, and Im guilty of doing that too)

[quasi mantle]

Also trash Doom WADs with unreachable secrets

[verbal junco]

but generally there's no reason to propagate wrong information especially when you're being told otherwise from people in the know

otherwise it's just hard to take you seriously

[quasi mantle]

I'm not going to argue anyway, I'm just a nobody.

[verbal junco]

not asking you to argue, I'm asking you to listen

[dark sequoia]

anyway, I highly highly recommend the Hitman games... any of them really. But when it comes to the recent ones, known as the "World of Assassins Trilogy" then you basically just buy all three games and install them within Hitman 3, thats about it... and then theres bonus DLC here and there too but optional of course... for the core content then yeah you just get all three games, so i'd wait for sales. as for a collection then it likely wont be one until a few years or so imo

[quasi mantle]

Modders are nothing but low standard underground people, probably.

[dark sequoia]

then theres all the past games before those, which are older but still worth playing too

[verbal junco]

I've hired modders before

I've been a modder before

so I don't think that's true either

[dark sequoia]

i only modded here and there and thats it! no game dev jobs for me :3 lol...

[verbal junco]

build a portfolio first

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-chicken-roast-gif-15985489

[quasi mantle]

I only modded Doom in my life, where I make shitty levels since a child

That means absolutely nothing tbh

[dark sequoia]

its actually quite alot for me to get into and explain, about why i wasnt able to get a type of career/job I wanted. and how its likely too late to ever do so. but basically I got into UE4 and 3D modeling far too late than what I would have wanted and means I can only really use my little time left to try selling assets and hope for the best. so yeah...

[quasi mantle]

Personally I started since 2018, and didn't get super serious until 2020.

[dark sequoia]

i was also mislead quite alot by different colleges for over a decade and never pointed towards the proper direction of "game design" until literally like a year ago (getting introduced to UE4)

guess it was just a lot of bad luck, in other words

[quasi mantle]

You know what's probably worse? Have no college at all and just learning from internet

[verbal junco]

it's never too late. I've worked with a guy who was 35 and a junior

[quasi mantle]

That could come off as disgusting by some pros.

And worse, I learn from reverse engineering things

[dark sequoia]

ironically, at the end of it all.. thats what I ended up doing. cause yeah a college class introduced me to UE4 but then thats it and never went anywhere. so I did the rest myself and taught myself lol..

[verbal junco]

nah college is only as useful as getting a visa

[dark sequoia]

same with me teaching myself to 3D model characters too

[cursive crypt]

I know even older 😏

[deep copper]

self taught people remind of terrible things often...

[quasi mantle]

Setting path to self destruction, maybe

[deep copper]

they are just infamous for giving up mostly

[dark sequoia]

but yeah the main issue was that in retrospect its easy to say "oh i should have known that or done that" but at the time, i had zero idea how to even research into game design at all and I had zero connections with people... it was no way like how it is now a days, basically

[deep copper]

if you encounter one, chances are they haven't riped

[quasi mantle]

There's like many things that can trigger quitting

[verbal junco]

I'll let you in on a secret: most people still don't know game design well

[dark sequoia]

lol i can definitely tell depending on the certain games of today

[deep copper]

yup, having a set path kinda forces you to go through it whether you want to or not

having practical experience or a portfolio showcasing work is how people should be judged but well

[quasi mantle]

As you see, I might be wrong, but most self taught people learn by copying what others did.
I know I did.

I reverse engineer games, and make shitty UGC as a child.

[verbal junco]

most designers are self taught because there aren't great game design schools out there

[dark sequoia]

well when I created that model of my fav character, it was really hell... but I refused to stop no matter what and kept going until the task was done... took 2 years but yeah I was able to do it and gained much knowledge as a result. sadly not experience at a job, but oh well

[verbal junco]

it's gotten better over the years, but it's still not at a level where it's being taught as a science

and it will be a while before that happens

[deep copper]

for art stuff, even if they ARE taught, they aren't better than those self taught now a days, because motivation and creativity stops in those being taught often

[quasi mantle]

At the very least graphic design has some element of science put in
Or rather a consistent basis

[mossy nexus]

35? Still a child!

[dark sequoia]

theres also other complicated matters thats a factor too, which get more on the personal side of things for me. but yeah I get what you mean

[timber viper]

I disagree, people who learnt by self taught miss a lot of practical and basic stuff while working with 3D tools (and game engines), even though they do great art

[deep copper]

it's easy to miss obvious stuff without ever being taught it exists, one of the main downsides to self taught people, but again, it can be overcome with huge experience, let's be honest, market requirements, tools, softwares keep changing

[quasi mantle]

And missing them costs a lot of their probability to get work, which is why I think the allusions to being a quitter.

[dark sequoia]

yeah self-taught can be done, but i definitely would have done things a bit faster if i was taught stuff properly to begin with lol

[verbal junco]

in terms of artists, the market is oversaturated with REALLY GOOD artists

[quasi mantle]

"I learn this new stuff by myself, but it's not practical, so fuck this whole skill."

[verbal junco]

so it's an uphill battle

[deep copper]

self taught people also have the whole "i need to show results soon or i am a waste of human" thing going for them, while those being taught worry less about results since "hey we are still studying rn"

[dark sequoia]

well i always feel that every day, regardless :p

[timber viper]

Since most of them know the theory behind the job very well, I never saw any of them missed a job opportunity but they do things in their own way and damage workflow. I saw with my eyes an intern teached a ZBrush feature to a lead character artist. And that knowledge was coming from random youtube tutorial 😄

[verbal junco]

it depends on the discipline as well. I think artists are generally more results driven than designers and programmers

[quasi mantle]

I legit have many times where I just felt want to quit, "fuck this, I wish I don't have thought on looking better job than being a supermarket clerk"

[timber viper]

Also probably almost every good artist has a pretty solid network around the industry, they get jobs so easily compared to programmers 😭

[verbal junco]

I still think this

except maybe becoming a bartender or something silly

[timber viper]

Lets open a kebab restourant together 😂

[verbal junco]

YESS

[cursive crypt]

Too much fat and salt.

[deep copper]

that hurts but guess what? i am familiar with low budget teachers and they either teach ancient software or teach new software VERY BADLY, like they forgot whatever it even does

[cursive crypt]

I like it tho.

[quasi mantle]

Give me recipe and I'll cook it.

[dark sequoia]

thats the other huge thing which is social media in general... something that I personally have always failed at in terms of sharing/exposing myself. sadly thats the main factor when it comes to success cause even if you're the best artist on the entire planet it wont mean much if people never find you or know of you... that, and also luck

[quasi mantle]

Don't remind me of teachers who still thought of basic Excel formulas even in high school.

[dark sequoia]

same goes with the youtuber/steamer world too

[timber viper]

Yeah, same applies for programming too. They teach 90s programming and force the ancient frameworks at universities

[dark sequoia]

this only relates to if you're doing solo/contracting work or commission type stuff, i forgot to say

but yeah

[deep copper]

the issue with this is, knowing when you are good enough or you are just being delusional thinking your work is good, is hard

[dark sequoia]

thats also true too

but damn im good :3

[quasi mantle]

Maybe to some extent starting your own studio not as an industry veteran.

[dark sequoia]

lol jk

[quasi mantle]

Or running a (mostly) one man project like I am

[dark sequoia]

yeah basically

[deep copper]

and when the language version goes up they are like "woahhh, it's not doing things as per this historical 1800s book, the pc must be bad!" or whatever

or well, you messed something up, yup, your fault

[quasi mantle]

At the moment, I'm the 90% of R&D, and my goal is already trying to make a game that is more than just mobile clickers.

[mossy nexus]

3 weeks into a computer course at college I had to fix the tutors assignments. I left not long after.

[dark sequoia]

one thing, which I actually do not know much on because its hard to tell, is with the UE4 Marketplace. im not actually quite sure how big an impact it is for some stuff getting shared around, like a person with a YT channel with 1000s of subs who makes a product vs. someone who made something but has only just recently made a youtube channel. stuff like that

[verbal junco]

same but for design

[deep copper]

i recall doing that as well, some questions didn't even make sense, and the students didn't even know what was being taught so they could easily say anything and the students will believe

[timber viper]

I'm looking into their articles and noclip videos, sooo yeah.. Team behind Hitman looks majestic

I gotta collect some articles from their level designers

Turns out they like sharing

[mossy nexus]

I went to a different college some time later, it' was better but still massively flawed

[verbal junco]

I believe there's a decent GDC talk about it. but I can give you some papers to peruse

[deep copper]

if it's free it has higher chances

[dark sequoia]

well i also mean when it comes to selling, i should have specified, but yeah

[quasi mantle]

Just don't collect information from non professional realm like level mods, hehehe

[deep copper]

i remember hevedy here purchases a lot of stuff from mp

[verbal junco]

it's benefitting the industry for us all to have better designs and designers. that's also why I'm happy to talk at length about these things

also because I LOVE talking shop

[quasi mantle]

Probably not much.

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah and whether they own a Discord server or not too. which im not sure if i'd wanna do for stuff I release in the future, i guess i'll decide when that time comes haha...

[mossy nexus]

virtually every UE streamer I watch loves sharing knowledge. Sharing shit is how we all learn. Talented amateurs to pros.

[cursive crypt]

uuh... why streaming if not showing off?

[verbal junco]

and also why it's a sad state of affairs that people don't understand what "level design" is, or that "design" is mostly excluded from game development discords such as this one

[dark sequoia]

but personally, i really hate having to join discord servers just to get help for any type of issue, and this goes for stuff unrelating to UE4 as well, lol

[mossy nexus]

My latest find is A SoT programmer and his mates. Joys.

[quasi mantle]

Streaming just to react to youtube videos is what its all about.

[timber viper]

This server had a game design channel afaik

[dark sequoia]

youtuber andys!

[deep copper]

stuff like UE changes fast and there are fancy plugins etc or tips and tricks, staying connected is most important for doing less work by using stuff right

[foggy path]

Streaming just to sit in a kiddie pool in a swimsuit you mean

[quasi mantle]

used to have

[cursive crypt]

Streaming post beer

[verbal junco]

yep and it was cut because people misunderstood the term "design" to mean "art"

[quasi mantle]

Hey, there's a slot for erotic programmer showing

[verbal junco]

"hey guys what do you think about my character design"

[dark sequoia]

that must have been a really fun channel!

[foggy path]

lol

[unborn lotus]

it was the best 😦

[foggy path]

wasn't there a guy who teaches programming on pornhub or something and he was actually getting views

[quasi mantle]

Sooner or later #level-design is going to meet the same fate

[verbal junco]

very soon even

[foggy path]

like.. it was just legit teaching with no nudity or anything suggestive lol

[deep copper]

maybe yt blocked them

[cursive crypt]

Gotta do something after you cum to your senses.

[mossy nexus]

Hey guys what about my shadows? My pixels? My lighting? No game-design channel? no problem, try level design

[timber viper]

CubeGrid shall save us

#level-design will resist

[quasi mantle]

#level-design is such a meme

[dark sequoia]

if you make a perfect re-creation of your house and neighborhood, is that level design?

[quasi mantle]

There was anti-BSP for a short while, then #graphics #graphics #graphics #graphics

[dark sequoia]

im half joking but im actually curious what people think on that, lol

[cursive crypt]

#level-design go ask there

[dark sequoia]

lol

[quasi mantle]

Probably. Someone did it in Counter Strike.

[foggy path]

Everyone did that in CS back in the day

[timber viper]

#graphics

[quasi mantle]

I think it was called cs_suburb

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah, large rooms with tiny people was a funny trend

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/tnrdiscord-tnrwelcome-the-new-resistance-new-resistance-nft-tnr-game-gif-23943157

[dark sequoia]

happened in alot of UT games too

[foggy path]

There was a CS level made of the school I went to

[deep copper]

hey that's anrold

[foggy path]

the teacher's lounge was the bomb site

lol

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/futile-is-resistance-gif-24174115

[verbal junco]

it's only a meme because you make it a meme. you could be on the side of good instead of on the side of evil

[dark sequoia]

remember UT? those games were good... too bad theres no more of them 🙃

[verbal junco]

was it shot up?

[quasi mantle]

I'm more on the chaotic evil side of the spectrum.

[foggy path]

@verbal junco nah it was before school shootings were hip

[dark sequoia]

if only there was a new engine after UE3 for sequels, but oh well

[verbal junco]

good times

[quasi mantle]

There is

Or, was.

https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealTournament

[verbal junco]

very edgelord

[foggy path]

Arena shooters just don't get players nowadays

[dark sequoia]

lol im just messin, and yeah i know of it i had to design a map for it for a class (which was my first experience with UE4 stuff)

[deep copper]

i remember playing UT then realising i am actually not a good gamer

[verbal junco]

tbh I think if HL2DM would release today it would get players

[quasi mantle]

I was super edgelord in my teenage days.

[verbal junco]

mostly because grav gun physics

[foggy path]

Yeah but how many would actually keep playing it longer term

[verbal junco]

I wouldn't keep that as a badge of honor though, just saying

[verbal junco]

at least one, me 😔

[quasi mantle]

I kept it as my time progression

[dark sequoia]

although im actually an even more extreme minority... due to me actually preferring the very first Unreal game back when it was a single player focused game with the multiplayer being on the side, heh. that was the first one I played in the series back when it first came out

[cursive crypt]

UT was cool

[quasi mantle]

Back then, too chaotic evil.
Now it's chaotic evil but getting into chaotic neutral

[dark sequoia]

and then yeah UT1 was also very fun

[deep copper]

well better than being lazy

[dark sequoia]

thats also back when games just had more interesting little things in it... such as being able to type "walk" inside the main menu and you actually spawn in the menu's level itself

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/resistance-is-futile-borg-star-trek-3d-gifs-artist-resistors-gif-17670702

[dark sequoia]

and then you can summon weapons and monsters too, and so on. it was unlike any other game at the time, for me

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/christopher-lloyd-1point21gigawatts-back-to-the-future-doc-gif-9470027

[quasi mantle]

I'm probably lazy, but I don't know if it's actually my attention deficit

[fleet tangle]

Jigawatts!

[quasi mantle]

At least my laziness led me to make my own tools

[deep copper]

that's probably procrastination idk

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/geeno-bttf-delorean-fluxcompensator-gif-15426728

[deep copper]

i always stop doing whatever i made the tool for, just when i make it

[quasi mantle]

"I'm too lazy to do this thing over and over again, so I made myself tools and templates"

[timber viper]

this

[deep copper]

like you should, i remember watching people picking the same options over and over... and there's a template button right around there

[quasi mantle]

Who knows if said laziness will lead me into a super technical animator

[deep copper]

if it's comfortable for you, maybe you should go down that route

[quasi mantle]

My fascination with animation is fairly recent, but genuine. I had myself watched too much of those sexy reload animations on YouTube (and my liking towards anime might help)
That's when I decided to learn myself some animation stuff

[deep copper]

ik solver etc scare me

but if you think it's fun, that might be your friend

also some japan schools banned ponytails

[dark sequoia]

interesting

[quasi mantle]

Well, I had many fun excuses to do technical animation stuff

[deep copper]

you were into mmd so i guess animation can be your thing

[quasi mantle]

Well, not really MMD, but I do love anime machinimas

I also maintain my own machinima project, as you may know already

[deep copper]

not sure what that is, but I assume some sort of anime model animatable thing

[dark sequoia]

well for me, I didnt get a chance to do as much animation I had wanted in MMD cause I was too preoccupied with making a character model instead haha. sadly by the time i finished i was burnt out for MMD and i never got around to actually using her myself :/

[deep copper]

yes, you took 2 years for it right?

[dark sequoia]

yeah pretty much

[quasi mantle]

That was my excuse to deep dive into control rig and making my materials better.

[deep copper]

curious, were you ever intrested in those ball ball suits they use for animating characters?

i don't know its name

[dark sequoia]

blueballs

[quasi mantle]

Is this question asked to me?

[deep copper]

yes

[quasi mantle]

Oh, mocap suits.
I personally more into hand made stylised animations

[deep copper]

yes those!

and i see

[dark sequoia]

yeah same with me

[deep copper]

you too? i thought you were more into just making the model

[dark sequoia]

well yeah but i still animated at least a little bit, and I know how to

i just didnt do it as much as I had wanted, in terms of practice and learning to do it well

[deep copper]

well if it's about having fun i suppose hand animation can be fun, to nail down all the details

[dark sequoia]

for example, I did simple stuff like walking animations

[deep copper]

instead of wiring up joints then doing your best imitation

[quasi mantle]

If it werent for watching reload animations and Idolmaster, I wouldn't have went my way learning animation

[dark sequoia]

thats how I am when it comes to Strike Witches, but regarding a great deal of things that also includes anime drawing too heh... and the 3D modeling later on of course

[verbal junco]

@timber viper today is the day. I just ordered yogurtlu kuzu shish

[dark sequoia]

and now most recently UE4, so i am hoping these various talents will add up to something while also allowing me to work on my personal interests on the side too (modeling more of my fav characters, for example)

[quasi mantle]

I had some reverse engineering knowledge, and I learned a lot when porting the models into UE4 when it comes to rigging (in the game, they had dummy bones to simplify physics propagation, which is smart), and also learning to setup full fledged control rig

Though in honesty, that control rig is sort of copied from MetaHuman's...

[dark sequoia]

oh I see, yeah sadly I know nothing about that yet within UE4.. havent touched it at all. the most ive done is editing animation blueprints and using pre-made animation assets and all that lol

but thats my next goal fairly soon, for getting into

and will be using my past model as a way to test things out and go from there, and then lead into making new, original, characters for selling basically

[quasi mantle]

Also with my Idolmaster machinima project, I'm currently making music video animation (was it called MAD?), entirely with UE4's Control Rig.
And be patient with crashing 😛

[dark sequoia]

with body/face customization support as well, which I know nothing about doing but gonna try anyway haha

cause theres a handful of those on the MP that are like that, but most of them are more on the western styled side of things

so perhaps theres something there when it comes to people's interests and filling a gap... who knows really, but willing to give that a shot I suppose

[quasi mantle]

Well, you can study into modular characters.

[dark sequoia]

yeah I happen to own a few projects already (one purchased, and one got for free) that have a focus on that

so imma try to do research, practice, and learning how its done. i actually have a vague idea how it was done already i think, but i'd have to dig deeper and see

most of my knowledge with Blueprints was due to just taking a look at stuff created, dissecting them, and then trying to see if I could recreate similar ones by myself and learning that way

but most of that was all gameplay stuff, so far

[foggy path]

I kinda wanna try making characters but I know fuck all about any of it

[dark sequoia]

so this next thing will be new to me

[foggy path]

My project kinda needs more than the three mixamo chars

Might just end up buying CC3 or something and see how it works :P

[quasi mantle]

Here's my tips that I learned myself (and probably will make pros cringe):
When it comes to clothing, hide the skin underneath the clothing to prevent undesirable clipping.
So basically you have to have base nude mesh reserved at all times.

[verbal junco]

ugh it's one of the things I outsource for my personal project

[dark sequoia]

and yeah my project atm is filled with nothing but assets and stuff lmao... its basically a playground type project for experimentation and just messing around in and creating experimental blueprints

until i get to trying to make my own assets from scratch, which im gonna start very soon actually

[foggy path]

I could afford it but it's also like... I don't trust the project to ever recoup the money so I don't feel like I want to spend it lol

[verbal junco]

I'm only ever going to release my thing for free. but I want to deliver something I can use as a benchmark

my time isn't worth learning proper character art

[foggy path]

I don't mind learning it if it means I can do something that doesn't look like shit without having to be an actual artist lol

[dark sequoia]

the biggest challenge for me will be to make my model into an "original" character thats new... because I really suck at original designs lmao

[cursive crypt]

Some people spend a career on that, I understand.

[dark sequoia]

since currently, the old model is based on a copyrighted character

[verbal junco]

one thing is doing a single art asset that looks well. another is to make your art assets look consistent between each other

[quasi mantle]

I'm all for original character design ideas.

[foggy path]

tbh I'd mostly just need something that's sufficient to carry the project forwards until such a point in time that I feel like it might make some money

at which point it would not be a problem to pay someone to make better ones

:D

[dark sequoia]

imma try my best but yeah i might take inspiration from Military Moe type content and other things similar to Strike Witches... maybe a set of military anime girl characters? :p

[verbal junco]

I think you're putting a lot of expectancy on the project

[dark sequoia]

people really like those now a days, heh

[verbal junco]

making money and all

[foggy path]

this is partially why I haven't done it, because the mixamo characters are quite sufficient for it for now :P

[verbal junco]

not saying it can't, but I wouldn't even consider that until it's much closer to release

[foggy path]

exactly.

[dark sequoia]

thats why its also good (at least imo) to work on stuff that you want to exist to begin with, regardless if you get money out of it

[verbal junco]

in the meantime I got this cheap ass whisky and it turns out it's pretty decent. woop!

[dark sequoia]

and to think of the money as being a nice bonus if things work out heh

[foggy path]

I had a plant-based whopper which was pretty tasty

[cursive crypt]

Ooh, nice. My stomach recently started to complain about hard alcohol tho... :/

[quasi mantle]

I personally more into fantasy kind of designs, and only know military from fiction (and my short boot camp period) but I might able to give some ideas.

[verbal junco]

take a rest

[cursive crypt]

I do.

[dark sequoia]

oh that'd be nice! im fine with many genres really and if this works out I'd likely would wanna keep going and make many types of characters overall. more the merrier, basically

[verbal junco]

I don't drink often. I'm not young enough to go out every weekend anymore

[dark sequoia]

but i'd likely start with Military Moe first yah, due to the root inspirations of what I am starting with

[foggy path]

I've only had whiskey once

it had such insanely strong alcohol taste to it I didn't particularly enjoy it

lol

[cursive crypt]

An occasional glass at home should be fine.

[verbal junco]

it's an acquired taste. I don't taste the alcohol anymore. this one in particular tastes like cherry and vanilla. it's nice

[dark sequoia]

other inspirations being stuff like Kantai Collection, Girls' Frontline, etc

[cursive crypt]

What strong beverages you drink then?

[quasi mantle]

I was about to mention Girls Frontline lol

[cursive crypt]

Except water.

[foggy path]

yeah, I don't generally drink almost at all which probably explains it kinda :P

[verbal junco]

yep, a glass on a friday or saturday is where I'm at

[cursive crypt]

Last time I got used to Jack and Chivas.

Tbh, I discovered whiskey quite late in my life.

[verbal junco]

jack is good with coke but I don't like it pure

[cursive crypt]

Like the aroma mostly.

[verbal junco]

chivas is decent, really liked their single malt back when they had that

[cursive crypt]

In fact, I like anise spirits too...

[verbal junco]

yea any kind of anise is great. I grew up around those

[dark sequoia]

also another thing, as smaller type stuff, would be to also model guns and stuff too which I was planning to do anyway. so that would fit along nicely with characters i'd potentially make

[verbal junco]

and licorice

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-licorice-allsorts-sweets-3d-gifs-artist-gif-18543908

[dark sequoia]

I like black licorice alot :3

[cursive crypt]

It is very soothing for the stomach too.

[quasi mantle]

Oh yeah, guns.
I don't know the stance with real life guns in Marketplace, but I'm inclined to think it's safer to come up with design mashups.

[cursive crypt]

They say some ancient greeks made a bead out of anise and uuh... few other seeds. Helps the stomach.

[verbal junco]

some danish company did licorice with a coffee shell, absolutely brilliant

[dark sequoia]

i often see people make up new names and stuff for guns

i dont know anything about such rules, so its prolly safe to just do the same lol

even in AAA games now a days, they dont use real names anymore

[foggy path]

pretty much every product I've purchased that is advertised as being helpful for your digestion has the opposite effect for me lol

[dark sequoia]

depending on the game, but yeah

[cursive crypt]

Hm?

[verbal junco]

have you tried fasting?

[foggy path]

Why?

[cursive crypt]

Or more simple food.

[verbal junco]

idk, as a test

[cursive crypt]

When my stomach got upset I was on steamed veggies and potatoes - helped a lot.

[dark sequoia]

Oh? sounds very nice

[foggy path]

I mean I generally don't have many issues with it, my digestion is just very sensitive for some things and for some reason most products which are advertised as being healthy for your gut don't have a very healthy reaction for me

[quasi mantle]

That brings me to my game's gun (or proposal per design document)
My character's main handgun is a 92FS, named as Blazer M92

[dark sequoia]

oh I see

[cursive crypt]

Yogurt.

[verbal junco]

it was, I believe the company was called bülow

sounds like ikea furniture tbh

[quasi mantle]

I'm still not sure what other handgun to fuse with a 92FS
1911 felt too rigid/blocky for a curvy 92FS

[cursive crypt]

At some point I also drunk a lot of soda - that was bad idea.

[verbal junco]

I eat a LOT of yoghurt

[quasi mantle]

Also, my game's character is a soda drinker

[dark sequoia]

another random idea i had the other day was to actually create "toy" type guns for unreal.. ones that shoot foam darts and have physics and they stick to walls and stuff. its silly but you never know, people might like that and ive never seen it at all anywhere yet. so i added that to my "maybe" list for the future lol... but characters definitely come first, for now

[cursive crypt]

Depends on the yogurt tho... I mean the bacteria. Wesern ones are more.. sweet?

Around it is called sour milk.

[verbal junco]

yeah without the sugar, mosdef

[quasi mantle]

Mainly it was to circumvent alcohols, because she's 19 and below legal age of sake consumption

[cursive crypt]

It is sour when good.

[verbal junco]

I generally pick greek yogs if I can

[cursive crypt]

They sweet, yep.

[verbal junco]

but I also use it to make my own ayran

[foggy path]

many yogurts contain lactose which is no good for me either, but the ones which don't are fine

[verbal junco]

not the ones I use

[dark sequoia]

i basically eat anything if its something i want, regardless if its good for me or not lmao

[cursive crypt]

An yogurt should not contain any lactose.

It is digested by the bacteria.

[verbal junco]

most lactose gets broken down by the bacteria

[cursive crypt]

^

[foggy path]

No idea, I vaguely recall some of them did, maybe I'm mixing it with something else

[verbal junco]

some residual element may be present

[cursive crypt]

If you buy some big corp milk or something tuned up for spoiled customers - maybe, yeah, lactose.

[verbal junco]

but generally that's why even people with lack of toast intolerance can eat yog

[cursive crypt]

Yep. If it has fermented as it should, then it is fine.

[dark sequoia]

also, my fav types of characters on the MP are all the action/survival female ones 👀 lol

[unreal ether]

Wow I didnt expect to learn about lactose intolerance and yogurt fermentation in an unreal discord

[cursive crypt]

Sheep milk is also very nice for making yogurt...

It is like a creamy dessert.

[deep copper]

#lounge is #cpp AND #food

[dark sequoia]

lounges have food in em, afterall

[verbal junco]

time to level up. start making your own ayran

[cursive crypt]

This is #lounge please

[deep copper]

🍻

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-puffing-yoghurt-gif-13358434

oops

[foggy path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfgycAOT0KI finnish milk commercial featuring Lemmy Kilmister

[cursive crypt]

Guess inlining is gone.

[quasi mantle]

Personally I stick more with the casual type

[unreal ether]

Ngl i was confused for a second cause I thought you said my name

[cursive crypt]

Do you know Skyr? 🤔

[quasi mantle]

Like with casual outfits, you have room for make it out of character with the outfit

[rugged jetty]

Wait rly??

[unreal ether]

English milk ads are something else

[dark sequoia]

i have a thing for the dirty/rugged tank top looks, lolz

but yeah i know what you mean

[foggy path]

@cursive crypt vaguely, never bought it

[cursive crypt]

Yeah? fermenting, cheese too.

[unreal ether]

Wait cheese too?

[cursive crypt]

I thought it is north European thingie.

[foggy path]

I think it might be icelandic

[quasi mantle]

That's a good idea.

[cursive crypt]

Most cheese needs a lot of days to ferment well. It is the time where lactose gets converted. If you try fresh cheese - nope.

[quasi mantle]

I'll put that one into my draft

[deep copper]

dirty tank huh

[dark sequoia]

yeah theres one thats basically like Lara Croft but isnt, but a damn good looking model either way imo

[cursive crypt]

Not sure, it is very protein like. With a bit of jam is fantastic, haha.

[verbal junco]

how would I know your name?

[unreal ether]

I know cheese takes a while unless it's something likw mozzarella

[deep copper]

wisdom

[quasi mantle]

Do you wishlist it?

[unreal ether]

You wouldnt, thats why i was confused

[dark sequoia]

i ended up buying it, lol

[cursive crypt]

Exactly.

[quasi mantle]

Send link

[cursive crypt]

Say 50-60 days is normal.

[verbal junco]

that's right, A A ron

[quasi mantle]

I'll do a clean room improvisation with it

[dark sequoia]

sure just a sec

[unreal ether]

Not a massive fan of cheese in general personally, its just a bit funky

[cursive crypt]

Eeeh... there are so many varieties.

[deep copper]

cheese is cheesy

[cursive crypt]

Yellow, green, white, with holes, w/o holes.

[verbal junco]

white cheese > yellow cheese

[cursive crypt]

Naah, yellow - best.

[unreal ether]

I dont venture very far outside of the realm of mozzarella or italian hard cheese

[verbal junco]

after tasting french blue cheese for the first time after only having had good blue cheese before, I can understand why people hate it

[deep copper]

do holes actually make a difference?

[unreal ether]

Maybe feta occasionally

[verbal junco]

yes they taste different

[cursive crypt]

The expensive cheeses smell awful.

[unreal ether]

Dint be silly you cant eat holes so how can they taste different

[cursive crypt]

Still remember, one of them was called, I think... something like babies butthole?

Smelled like one.

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah here it is @quasi mantle https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/female-hero-action-adventure I bought it when it was on sale

[deep copper]

maybe they taste airy

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[unreal ether]

Oh

[cursive crypt]

Holes are fine.

[dark sequoia]

theres also a 2nd character they created too, and they are both modular and can be mixed/matched with their clothing/hair

[unreal ether]

I thought you meant the cheese tatse different lmao, which it does

[cursive crypt]

Emental 🤔

[verbal junco]

I do like emmentaler, but not as much as I like blue cheese

[unreal ether]

Gross on both counts there

[cursive crypt]

Blue is a bit strong tho.

[verbal junco]

I like strong

[cursive crypt]

Gorgonzola e.g.

[verbal junco]

you need flavor

[deep copper]

that's nice

[quasi mantle]

Not too bad, though less revealing than Lara Croft xD

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, but can't eat much?

[verbal junco]

not weak flavorless gouda

[cursive crypt]

Was that the hard, salty one?

[dark sequoia]

if you buy it, theres a document and link to NSFW patch for the textures lol

[verbal junco]

gouda is soft yellow I believe

hard salty is pecorino

one of my favorites

[cursive crypt]

Ah, yea... okay, the other one was.. parmesan maybe

[deep copper]

what cheese are you supposed to buy though

[quasi mantle]

Oh, there is a screenshot for that

[cursive crypt]

It is for pasta.

[verbal junco]

what do you want to do with the cheese is the question

[dark sequoia]

also theres multiple outfits and the other character adds more as a result

[quasi mantle]

Enough for me to serve as a reference.

[cursive crypt]

Melted cheese is god's food.

[deep copper]

uh, eat...?

[unreal ether]

Just buy them all, make a master cheese

[verbal junco]

but what with?

[unreal ether]

More cheese

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[dark sequoia]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/female-hero-survival here is the other one, if you were curious

[deep copper]

ah, well, cereal is definitely a no go... hmm

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/children-funny-challenge-cheese-say-cheese-gif-13617696