lounge

[quasi mantle]

Sometimes I felt the same thing, but eh, I just have to continue doing my own thing

and maybe steal few things from them like a great artist clean room reverse engineer

[dark sequoia]

although for UE4, that one I got the hang of within just a few months funny enough. at least for blueprint basics

[zinc matrix]

You're right; it's a marathon, not a race

Seems I'm not alone with wanting to bring my characters to life

I want to tell the story of the Staggering Saurian overcoming the evil Vanessa Le Roux

[dark sequoia]

yeah I have tons of ideas and stuff for games, or even just gameplay type assets in general for UE4. my biggest "enemy" I suppose is time itself heh.

[zinc matrix]

I'm most passionate about my characters and world and I hope I can complete my game and it will be popular enough that people will want to read a manga series I want to make from it too

[quasi mantle]

Also fun fact: my game project actually started off from a cancelled visual novel project.

I cancelled it because not only it used Unity (and have since moved to UE full time), the writing was so cringe beyond salvation. But I thought the in-universe story good enough to be a standalone action role playing game, and actually make good use of Unreal Engine.

[dark sequoia]

due to uncertain things in personal life, I am sadly not quite sure yet if I have the time to make the things I want to make for earning money. but I dont wanna get into all that.

lol I see, interesting

I used Unity only once but for some reason it didnt stick with me

[zinc matrix]

I have a similar thing; but I mean you don't have to give up on the visual novel too because you can make it in Blender

Why not do both?

[dark sequoia]

but then with UE4, and using Blueprints for the first time, I just couldnt stop messing with it and I kept going and the desire to keep learning more

[quasi mantle]

The writing is beyond salvageable - it was cringe as hell.

I was 15 when I wrote the story for the VN

[dark sequoia]

haha I see

[zinc matrix]

You could revise it, but whatever; if you're doing an RPG it can work; but I'm doing a Metroidvania/Mega Man thing, so the manga feels more justified

[dark sequoia]

was it based on anything, or was it original?

[zinc matrix]

Mine or his?

[quasi mantle]

It was based on anime romance / soap opera cliche

[dark sequoia]

regarding his VN, sorry

and I see

[quasi mantle]

Also it was based on my puppy love experiences, which I wish never revisit again lmao

[zinc matrix]

I guess mine kinda counts as that too, only it's between a superhero and supervillainess

The villainess wants the hero to rule the universe with her

But she has a mental block where she feels unprepared if he doesn't submit to her first

She already rules the world and some other planets though

[dark sequoia]

For me, I definitely want to see if I could try some sort of game based on Strike Witches although sadly it would have to remain private and not sold due to obvious copyright concerns lol.. but who knows, it could inspire other content I could sell as a result of the learning experience too.

and that sounds interesting, and yet it also sounds familiar for some reason but not sure what

[zinc matrix]

Vanessa (covering her mouth and deepening her voice): "Join me, Gordy. And together we can rule the universe as husband and wife! (Normal voice): Or you know, it doesn't have to be husband and wife, it can just be girlfriend and boyfriend who see each other but aren't fully committed to marriage yet because they want to live it up while they're young."

[dark sequoia]

haha

[zinc matrix]

She's kinda campy but owns it

[dark sequoia]

lol nice

How did some of you first end up coming across and using UE4 btw? Just curious

[zinc matrix]

I think this is the most powerful quote I've thought up for my hero so far:

"You know what? I don't care if Spider-man's fictional. He's taught me more about what it means to be a hero than any other 'real' person I've met. He taught me that with great power comes great responsibility. He taught me that you should do the right thing not in expectation for any kind of reward, but because it's right. Even if it means making personal sacrifices for the sake of others. Even if it means subjecting yourself to pain and ridicule if necessary. Those are all things you don't seem to understand, Vanessa. So you can call that corny and cringey all you want, but that's not gonna change the fact that he's why I continue my mission: because Spider-man is the realest person to me."

[zinc matrix]

I wanted to make a game of my characters and UE4 seemed the most versatile

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's like meeting your lover for the first time

[deep copper]

////

[dark sequoia]

I really wish I came across UE4 years ago... I always knew it existed but I just never looked into actually trying it, lol..

[quasi mantle]

I've been drooling over Unreal Engine since UE3 era, and then UE4 went free...

[deep copper]

you know, maybe also ping me sometimes? your brother feels lonely :(

[dark sequoia]

I never messed with the past engines, other than their games... such as the very first Unreal game! The good old days.. lol

[zinc matrix]

I used to be intimidated by game dev in general because of coding, but Unreal was the first engine I discovered had visual scripting, so I settled on it

[quasi mantle]

Well, my game is intended to have Mature / PEGI 18 rating, so might as well put the typical anime fan service, even if the story is like so serious (and partly political for an Isekai story)

[deep copper]

hoho, that's a nice feel right there 😁

[quasi mantle]

Oh yeah, my game is also inspired by Isekai anime stuff

Even using the codename "Isekai"

[dark sequoia]

yeah thats why UE4 instantly hooked me, cause I was always a more visually creative person and was never motivated to learn "coding" but still wanted to try making games... So for many years I was lost and didnt know what to really do, until using UE4 and seeing how Blueprints worked, only about 8 months back

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/GjOpwHYjTwc

[deep copper]

just don't overdo it because it takes away the seriousness for me, but ofc it's just mechanics so , understandable, gotta keep the audience to it

[dark sequoia]

definitely a staple for anime content lol :p

[quasi mantle]

Think of the fanservice stuff as the side activities. I plan to have the player not to face the blatant fanservice stuff when running just the main quests.

[deep copper]

oh all good then

you have thought it through

[dark sequoia]

but yeah I feel that characters themselves are what shines the most. anything anime related can have fanservice, but if you want people to really stick with it then they have to be content that they will "care" for, if that makes any sense? thats how I felt about stuff like Strike Witches, even though on its surface it looks like generic fanservice but its got alot to it thats more than that and made me stay a fan for many years

so if you manage to get that down, then you're good honestly.... plus the fanservice too, lol

[quasi mantle]

Oh yes, I did.
I'm all for some steamy fanservice, but I dislike those that are too "in the face" and not optional.

So I made it that way in the design document. Fanservice as a break/leisure thing

[dark sequoia]

like for example if you make people care about characters enough to cause one to cry if something bad happens to them, then that means its a success

[deep copper]

i mainly said that because i remember playing something and the soldiers were dying meanwhile the main chars are busy talking about breats like wth

s*

[dark sequoia]

lol

im sure you're very much familiar with Chihaya's story arc in Idolmaster of course. Mio sorta has that type of emotional arc too within the Strike Witches series. Stuff like that

[quasi mantle]

So if you want some "beach episode", you can initiate an optional side quest on the beach area. If you want hot bath scenes, go to bathrooms in safehouse in free roam.

[dark sequoia]

lol nice

[deep copper]

that's probably the best way to do it

[zinc matrix]

Edited my character's speech if you wanna look back

[quasi mantle]

As for the main quest goes, I'll try to keep it more coherent and have more serious things going on.

And that's a thing I felt lacking from most anime themed games.

[dark sequoia]

yeah I feel most lean too heavily on not taking themselves too seriously and all that

Ironically, despite this convo, I actually dont even watch anime much anymore these days nor play many anime themed games lol... mostly for such reasons, and because alot of stuff just blends together for me these days. Could also be my age too, who knows

[quasi mantle]

Same, tbh

[dark sequoia]

and also because alot of my top fav videogame genres do not exist in anime format, haha

at least not yet 😉

[deep copper]

nice nice, that sounds like a dialogue when the enemy mocks them or invites them to their side or something now, good work

[deep copper]

exactly

[deep copper]

same, it's hard to get into things while it stays unrealistic

[dark sequoia]

Thats prolly why Strike Witches is one of my favs because there is nothing else quite like it... the closest you can get is Kantai Collection and Girls und Panzer I guess

most other anime is just about someone being at school, or being in a fantasy world, and so on

[quasi mantle]

I hope that my game could bring a different twist to anime themed games.
Action combat with mix of hack n slash and shooter, more serious and mature storyline (involving stuff like mental conditions and politics), while also having healthy dose of fantasy, and optional erotic fanservice.

If anime shows can do that, why not the games.

[dark sequoia]

which I know is very generalizing, but still haha

[deep copper]

i just watch a lot of stuff now and drop it midway if anything

[zinc matrix]

Yeah it is

[deep copper]

if you do it you would probably be quite the game changer, ofc it's challenging but still, it's better to bring this change

[dark sequoia]

that and also lack of time, and also because I like being active and doing things, its hard to not do anything for long periods of time (such as sitting down to watch an entire show)

[deep copper]

are you an outdoor person?

[dark sequoia]

well by active I mean working on projects and stuff, and creating things, and so on

[deep copper]

that's understandable, it can be quite anxiety inducing to have pending things and sit down to watch something

[dark sequoia]

but yeah going back to UE4, and the model I did, Im thinking of re-creating and re-structing it entirely to be used within UE4... as well as making her into a blank slate type character model, so I can then use to create multiple more characters later on down the road.

[deep copper]

that's quite the plan

[dark sequoia]

yeah I know how to do it too, but the hard part for me is thinking of original character designs lmao. for some reason I always sucked at that.

[deep copper]

do you draw blueprints for those?

character design

[dark sequoia]

and also I originally drew out a concept when I created that Mio model yeah

and had used that to start the initial modeling process, back then

[deep copper]

well the more you do it the better you get, or so i have heard

[dark sequoia]

definitely

its also the more you have, the more you can use to create more content, if that makes any sense lol

[deep copper]

the more random idea designs for it you mean?

[dark sequoia]

because the way I designed her, features and parts can be swapped out to make her into new characters. anime style, just in general, is very beneficial when it comes to such things lol

[deep copper]

so it's modular huh

[dark sequoia]

yeah, or at least she has the capability of it once I convert to being used in UE4

for example, many MMD models have different versions of characters with different outfits. However, for my model, I designed her so that she is an all-in-one type model... she has different hairstyles and even outfit variations already built in that you switch instantly (within MMD, that is)

for example, ponytail or no ponytail, stuff like that

although UE4 works very different so i'd have to restructure her due to that

[deep copper]

sounds like you can also let the player customise later down the line

[dark sequoia]

yeah basically, cause that was my intention for downloaders for her MMD model (since its all free) so that if anyone wanted to use her that'd have more ease of access and all that

[deep copper]

you did quite a lot in 2 years

[dark sequoia]

haha indeed yeah

[deep copper]

it's like metahumans but anime

kind of

[dark sequoia]

for example two different poses of her but with some differences

might be hard to see though, not the greatest of examples but just a nice pic anyway lmao

[deep copper]

it is quite good

haha yeah it is definitely a great pic

[dark sequoia]

ah okay here we go, found one

with her hair down, etc

and eyepatch can come off, sword equipped/unequipped, and so on

I even added shader type effects that appear on the face, for specific facial expressions

stuff like that

which is actually just a flat piece of model that pops up, and not actually shading but yeah. same method used for blushing effects too (common with MMD especially)

[deep copper]

did you always plan to use this model for something like ue4? you did way too much work, detailed at that

[dark sequoia]

but yeah I have no idea how this will go when I try sticking in UE4 lol, cause alot of her expressions are designed in a very specific way that only is meant for MMD for the most part

and nope, this was made for MMD right from the start haha

I just really love her honestly, thats the truth lmao...

[quasi mantle]

Well, I had success porting MMD models to UE4

[dark sequoia]

oh really?

nice!

[deep copper]

that makes sense, another practical example of motivation is all you need sometimes

[deep copper]

yeah i am quite positive there would be ways to export this thing

[dark sequoia]

yeah I feel passion is extremely important when it comes to creating stuff (depending, of course)

[deep copper]

it sounds like a big thing, mmd

[dark sequoia]

it used to be, but not anymore these days

[deep copper]

maybe via third parties

[dark sequoia]

theres other more popular 3D software than MMD, at least for the Japanese crowd most of them are hentai games though, lol

I was admittedly pretty late when it comes to such trends, unfortunately

[deep copper]

ah, i wonder if those have more flexibility

[dark sequoia]

as a result, not many downloaded her at all lol

but thats also cause I often have bad luck when it comes to sharing my content online, just in general, and when it comes to exposure

[dark sequoia]

funny enough they actually dont, but they are easier to use. sorta like that

[deep copper]

marketting stuff is a completely separate skillset, yeah

[dark sequoia]

MMD is more versatile, in other words, cause you can create any model and export/convert it into MMD... or vice versa, for other 3D engines

[deep copper]

i mean, if it's for hentai they probably didn't want to think much while making stuff

[dark sequoia]

but for other Japanese 3D games, its often in the form of mods and parts and not really an entirely created character from scratch

[deep copper]

isn't that awesome then?

[dark sequoia]

it is! but not so much if you want people to download your model and create videos of it, haha

which is based on if people use MMD

which people still do, but not as much as like 5 years ago basically

hope that makes sense, lol

[deep copper]

i can see why you want to shift to ue then

and that's probably better, more scope

[dark sequoia]

going back to UE4, not only could I animate her but I could even play as her in a game too! so yeah im definitely going to want to try converting. plus like i said earlier, its a good idea cause then I can use that to potentially create other future models too yeah. maybe I could even make a modular customizable anime character for selling, since I have never really seen that before on the MP. theres a handful for realistic customizable looking characters though, yeah

[deep copper]

with metahumans etc idk if realism is still valueable

[dark sequoia]

well it depends on what different people want really, and their own interests. which is varied of course

I know that if I myself ever saw a fully customizable and good looking anime themed model on the MP, i'd get it right away. so I feel im not the only one, at least

another way to look at things is when it comes to retro styled content too. like, lets say, an oldschool shooter like Doom with sprite visuals rather than models

very outdated, technically speaking, but people still love that stuff too even today

at least for me, anyway, haha!

[deep copper]

it's all about aesthetic choices

sometimes creating a feeling or mood is quite difficult, and needs heavy styling

[dark sequoia]

another thing, at least for shooters, is the movement too

theres a big difference between the standards of today vs. how stuff played decades ago

such as the moving, jumping, switching weapons, aiming, etc

alot of it was very quick, snappy, and instant action

but now a days, its all about fluid motion and realism, which is also very good for its own reasons of course. however, I view it as two different types of styles... rather than one being better than the other. same goes for modeling styles, texturing styles, and so on

[cursive crypt]

#design-chat is missed

[deep copper]

exactly, i often find myself not enjoying those cool transition animations, because they take time

it feels like it slows down the gameplay

again there are those that do it quick so it's okay

[deep copper]

supply demand thing, no supply but there is demand

[dark sequoia]

yeah that too, very much so. regarding the demand thing

as for animations.. for example I was working on switching between weapons the other day in UE4, but the way I initially set it up was so that it would finish the animation and have a cooldown before you can switch again. but then it would take too long to cycle through (because total of 10 guns carried, going oldschool) so I made the animation speed up and also cancel itself if you continue to cycle weapons. hard to explain but took a few tries to get it how I wanted lol

not really working on a game or anything specifically atm, but mostly just been creating gameplay mechanics for a shooter just to learn and experiment with what Im able to get working

[deep copper]

old school huh, i recall those had like, slot stuff, so you press the number button or something to go to that gun slot idk i am not very well versed with gameplay of those

[dark sequoia]

yup i have it set to that too, for number keys

that, and mousewheel for scrolling through

[deep copper]

as long as switching is quick enough i am pretty sure i would NOT use number keys

because i am certain I won't remember which gun was where

[timber viper]

CoD knows how to make it joyful

[dark sequoia]

yeah it depends on preference. mouse wheel is good for scrolling through for if you're new to a game and then numbers is good for when you start remembering them, heh

[timber viper]

New MW was awesome about this

[deep copper]

i haven't played many games but i will keep those names in mind

[timber viper]

Everyone hates it but personally I liked BO4 animations too

[dark sequoia]

the last CoD game I played was BO2, but after that I stopped playing em

[knotty skiff]

why are their model so shiny?????

[deep copper]

yeah, if you keep going back to that one gun, it might be worth remembering later

[timber viper]

I'm into CoD like fast paced FPS games but there arent much alternatives sadly

[deep copper]

wax

no plastic?

[dark sequoia]

oh interesting looking models... honestly those look like toy figurines which, if done intentionally, would be fantastic if you're doing a game about toy characters (or like if its an FPS, then green army men type stuff lol)

due to that shininess, makes it look plastic yeah

[knotty skiff]

Its from Fortnite

[timber viper]

Who dropped oil to the most right one

[dark sequoia]

oh I see, i knew it looked familiar

i dont play Fortnite tbh, but yeah i see it now

[dark sequoia]

Yeah there arent much games like em now a days. But then again im sure theres a few gems out there. Personally I havent played an online type FPS game in a long time

[timber viper]

I really searched a lot but couldnt find anything relevant

[dark sequoia]

i tend to mostly play single player type games, and all that

[timber viper]

Apex Legends is one actually, but its battle royale

[dark sequoia]

yeah Ive seen that one, but never got into that type of genre

[timber viper]

They built their game on top of the ancient source engine so its not helping either 😄

[dark sequoia]

oh really? I didnt know that, interesting lol

[timber viper]

Compared to Fortnite and Warzone is more laggy (both cpu and network wise)

[deep copper]

same

[timber viper]

If I can find time from animes I'll deep dive into Death Stranding one day

[deep copper]

if i play any that is

[dark sequoia]

yeah thats the other thing, im also busier these days compared to the past. often creating content and working on personal projects, etc

but the latest game Ive been playing is one called RimWorld, which is pretty fun. its a strategy/sandbox/survival type game

if you happen to know of a game called Dwarf Fortress, then the gameplay is very much similar to that give or take

[deep copper]

i haven't heard of either but that does sounds interesting, i will keep that in mind

[dark sequoia]

yeah its a top-down type strategy game, with focus on building and maintaining a colony of people. very fun, but also fairly challenging type of game. main appeal, for me, is the random generated maps and story events

you could sorta compare it to other games like Minecraft or Terraria, when it comes to digging/mining and the resource gathering too

Same with DF too, same type of gameplay. Also fun fact; one of the original inspirations for Minecraft (among other games) was Dwarf Fortress, heh

[deep copper]

so dwarf fortress is an old one huh

[dark sequoia]

yeah, i think early 2000s

but its still being worked on, til this day

and all through donations alone, cause the game is free

[deep copper]

and yeah, random maps can be fun, you don't know what to expect

[deep copper]

that's some dedication

[dark sequoia]

indeed, and theres a Steam version planned too but no release date yet

but the regular game is free to download, but its very hard for most to get into due to its graphics style..

which is ASCII based

which makes it look like an old DOS game, haha

[deep copper]

ascii?

[fleet tangle]

Text

graphics

[deep copper]

curious

and yes i have heard of ascii art

[fleet tangle]

The original Rogue game was ascii too iirc

[dark sequoia]

hard to explain, but i could show

[deep copper]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[deep copper]

that looks quite neat actually

[dark sequoia]

btw, that actually happens to be DF there too, speaking of

[deep copper]

i was expecting more dos crash screen style thing

[dark sequoia]

haha

not sure if you can tell, but those are tunnels being dug into a mountain basically

and the green being grass, and so on

[deep copper]

i can tell that much, the design of the game is well planned

[dark sequoia]

indeed, it has tons of thought put into it

[deep copper]

even though i have never played this style of game before

[dark sequoia]

DF actually has texture packs to swap too, that fans create, which some favor. for me I can play either way heh

[fleet tangle]

There's a terminal session you can connect to that plays the entirety of star wars new hope in ascii. It's pretty great.

[deep copper]

people are creative

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah I recall that lol

[deep copper]

tbh i like this look more

[dark sequoia]

yeah it has a charm to it

[deep copper]

with textures it would turn into a generic looking game

[dark sequoia]

anyway, the Steam version is going to have different type of UI and textured graphics which is pretty cool for those who like that. As for RimWorld, that game is one that was inspired by Dwarf Fortress, but is set in a sci-fi setting instead (rather than medieval fantasy)

[fleet tangle]

What's the gameplay of DF anyway?

[deep copper]

if those text move in ai manner i would be very happy

[dark sequoia]

its hard to explain but its a strategy simulator where you manage a group of dwarves who go out to create their own home

and you dig, mine, build, gather resources, etc

[fleet tangle]

Gimli simulator, check

[dark sequoia]

they all move on their own, automatically, but you must basically direct them

also its all entirely randomly generated too

[deep copper]

it's an idle game?

[dark sequoia]

yeah, made by one guy

it also has a ridiculous attention to detail, in terms of what goes on behind the scenes

its really hard to explain it all haha, cause theres alot to it despite its looks

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, it's more straightforward than you might think, but it can be a bit finicky to work with animation retargets

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

also the main tagline of the game is "Its fun to lose"

[deep copper]

i guess they focused on the gameplay way more while cutting away from graphics, but also maintaining the mood, again it's old so idk if it's stylized for that time or not

[stable light]

<@&213101288538374145> Could i get streaming rights/role? Sorry to bother i searched the channels but i cannot see how i can get the role

[dark sequoia]

or something like that... because your dwarves eventually will likely die due to many types of horrible things lol

[deep copper]

try manny

!help

[dark sequoia]

yeah thats what they went for, minimalization on graphics to focus on very detailed world generation

[knotty skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-screaming-song-music-gif-8355362

Mfw when I can't run UE5 (it's my first time using it but meh)

[dark sequoia]

and by world generation I mean literally it generates an entire world, even its history and lore

and then you pick one single small spot within that world, to settle and try creating a home

[stable light]

thanks i appreciate

[dark sequoia]

btw another cool thing is that if your fortress dies off, you can create a new game but within the same world... and revisit your past fortress with a new set of dwarves, if you choose to

[deep copper]

😭

[dark sequoia]

yeah cause they have needs, and they have emotions and stuff

and if they arent happy, things spiral out of control

[deep copper]

that's a bit too detailed lol

[dark sequoia]

or you can get invaded by goblins.. or dig too far down into hell and unleash demons, which you cannot close up once you do and it eventually dooms the whole world by default lmao

[deep copper]

interesting

[stable light]

what's the issue?

[deep copper]

do they comit suicide too

[dark sequoia]

yes actually, they can depending. it can get pretty dark give or take

[stable light]

also of what game are you talking about? DF= dwarf fortress?

[dark sequoia]

yeah

[deep copper]

yes

[dark sequoia]

or they can go mad and strip naked, throwing their items everywhere. lol

you also have to build rooms for all of them, and furniture. also you must maintain the dead, because when dead they dont just disappear you need to bury them

and if you dont, it causes people to get sick or ghosts to appear, and so on

[stable light]

have you ever played Dwarfs!? from tripwire interactive?

[knotty skiff]

Lag as hell need to upgrade my PC soon

[dark sequoia]

that sounds familiar

[stable light]

i think Dwarfs!? it's a lite version of DF if im not mistaken

[deep copper]

the attention to details 🤔

[dark sequoia]

yeah it is, theres quite a few DF copycats actually

[deep copper]

and you say it's still in development

[dark sequoia]

some good, some bad

yup, the game is technically not finished

been worked on for 20 years, non-stop

[stable light]

currently playing deep rock galactic btw, dwarfs everywhere lmao

[stable light]

wow

i wonder if there is or will be a modern ''remake''

[dark sequoia]

thats pretty much what the Steam version is gonna be

the original game is normally free, but the Steam version will be paid and will have updated UI and graphics and stuff. it currently has a steam page and vids but no release date at this time

[stable light]

found it, ty

[dark sequoia]

yee, and yeah RimWorld is pretty similar to that as well. Id say it isnt quite as detailed, but its very fun in its own way and also it has gun combat too heh

also 1000s of steam workshop mods

the main thing about DF is that you basically play the game how you want to, and there isnt really a "correct" way to play it

[stable light]

even after all the shader calculations?
might stem from lumen the issue on your PC? But be aware tha lumen it's enabled by default yes but it's not really on until you check it in the post process volume in the latest ue5 version

[dark sequoia]

so for example, you get traders who come by and sell stuff and you must sell stuff in return to keep up an economy.... or you could do what I often do, which is to build a deathtrap ahead of time and, once they arrive, lock them in a chamber that fills with water. haha... and then drain the room and take all their stuff, and bury the bodies

[stable light]

lmao

[dark sequoia]

although if you do stuff like that too many times, then factions may actually go to war with you and try to invade you, stuff like that

so you cant over abuse such acts

[stable light]

that's great

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah

the downside is the animals they may be selling, sorta cant get them due to them drowning too... lol

well, other than their meat that is

cause you can send them to the butcher shop, and also use em for clothing too, etc

[stable light]

dwarfs and animal abuse

[dark sequoia]

and yeah you can have all kinds of animals, tons of types

for pets, farming, and so on

even elephants lol

which, if you dont specify zones, then elephants will go where they want and walk around the kitchen and people's bedrooms haha

theres also monsters too, and stuff like dragons which are very rare, and giant spider caves, etc.. but if you have a dwarf who is very talented in taming, you can actually capture such a creature and tame it to be used for combat against enemies. theres tons you can do in DF basically

[clear cape]

https://1ce.games/en/news/tencent-acquires-polands-1c-entertainment tencent bought one of largest EU game publishers/developers 1C

[dark sequoia]

lol

[deep copper]

really sounds Minecrafty

[deep copper]

that's just evil, are you sure keeping them alive has no benefit?

[dark sequoia]

yeah like I said, it was one of the games used as inspiration for Minecraft to begin

in terms of the digging/mining stuff

[dark sequoia]

lol well its based on how you wanna play, if you wanna be good or not. cause yeah you can have good relationships with factions too, and leads to better trading deals if i recall right, and better available items for future trading

RimWorld works in the same way too

[deep copper]

i would expect that from a game detailed enough to simulate psychology of dwarfs

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah, and speaking of detail that includes combat too

on the screen, its just two symbols standing next to eachother and moving around, but the actual combat happening is extremely detailed and happens within seconds, and even writes out entire detailed sentences of what is happening when you go into the combat logs

and almost every single body part is taken into account too, even down to individual fingers and stuff. for example, whether a dwarf is missing a hand or not due to fighting a monster in the past, stuff like that

[deep copper]

aw

that's kinda sad but nice that they are attentive to those

[dark sequoia]

theres babies and children too, lol

[deep copper]

you can practically torture dwarfs

[dark sequoia]

i suppose, but then the fortress wouldnt run very good otherwise

haha

[deep copper]

dwarf children, weird

[dark sequoia]

the most important thing of all is alcohol though, which dwarves need

[deep copper]

not water huh

[dark sequoia]

as important as food... in fact, for dwarves its their water

if you give them water, it actually makes them function slower and be not as happy lol

[timber viper]

Dwarf torturing game looks fun tbh

I'll write this down 😄

[dark sequoia]

lol yeah

for the beer you have to either get it from traders, or grow/brew your own from plants and mushrooms (which is often the best way to do so)

you also have to build and manage a military, create a stock of weapons/armor for them to use, and all that

[deep copper]

i think ponki can use it with gnomes

[dark sequoia]

there actually is a game called Gnomes, which is basically DF lol

one of those copycat type games, on steam

i recall it being okayish, but still not as detailed as DF

[deep copper]

i can imagine a few specialist dwarfs just for brewing

[dark sequoia]

yeah theres different jobs they are assigned

for butchering, cooking, brewing, farming, logging, and so on

[deep copper]

well it's a copy, it will need quite some effort to battle a 20 year developing game

[dark sequoia]

indeed, heh

[deep copper]

even like, keeping watch?

[dark sequoia]

Id say the best example of one that really took off on its own was RimWorld

[deep copper]

does it also have a long history?

[dark sequoia]

yeah you need a military force in case you get attacked by goblins or beasts

[deep copper]

what do goblins and dwarfs look like in text though?

were those text in the center dwarfs?

in the image

[dark sequoia]

this is how a dwarf looks in-game lol

[deep copper]

that's not very text like 🤔

[dark sequoia]

and for a goblin, its literally just a "G"

well its both text and symbols

[deep copper]

haha there we go

[dark sequoia]

its sorta like Unicode when it comes to the internet and social platforms, etc

a mix of text and symbols, and all that

[deep copper]

i actually feel like playing it now

[dark sequoia]

if you do look into it, I highly recommend looking at the wiki for guidance as well heh

[deep copper]

so it's a character in the end

[dark sequoia]

but once you learn it and understand it, its extremely addicting

[deep copper]

well it did inspire a lot of games, i expect no loss

less

[dark sequoia]

heh indeed

it has that "roguelike" type gameplay to it too, where the fun is based on the challenge of it and if you lose then you simply just start again and keep trying

but you can also be sneaky and keep backups of save files in case something goes wrong and you can revert that way lol

since it has an autosave feature, if i recall right

[quasi mantle]

GNOME is Not an Original Media of Entertainment

[dark sequoia]

haha :p

all this makes me wonder if UE4 would be able to run such a game as DF or similar, hmm..

I know at least Unity can, cause thats what RimWorld runs on

oh this is pretty cool

time lapse gif

as for RimWorld, heres a time lapse example of that game which is pretty neat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyH2LZCY-nw

[quasi mantle]

It's possible, but you're going to get bad performance if you're just sticking with BPs. Some C++ is going to get involved

[dark sequoia]

yeah definitely

sadly I dont know C++ at all haha, but maybe one day in the future I'll look into learning it

[quasi mantle]

Don't worry, take your time getting used to the engine's workings.
I only get into Unreal C++ 2+ years into learning BP

[dark sequoia]

DF itself actually slows down after awhile once you have like 100 dwarves or so (since more arrive over time), and that is even despite its very simple graphics

due to how much thinking and processing is going on within it

ah I see, nice

oh speaking of C++, it seems thats what DF was programmed with as well I think, along with OpenGL for visuals

theres tons of articles about it and some interviews too with the developer, very interesting stuff

[quasi mantle]

Well it's like one of the simpler way of doing things, followed by DX11

Also some people managed to cram pretty realtime visuals in 64 KB executable or lower, with roughly the same stuff

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

I had considered trying to make an RTS game actually, as one of my main personal projects for UE4

one inspired by the likes of Command & Conquer, StarCraft, etc

its one of my fav game genres, but also one that is sadly not around much anymore these days

[quasi mantle]

Well, good luck. RTS games are one of the toughest ones to engineer

[dark sequoia]

Ive heard yeah

but until then, ive mostly been utilizing my time by learning to implement certain gameplay mechanics and experimenting in general. first person/third person shooter type gameplay, more specifically. at least for now

helps stimulate the mind, learn, and give me ideas for potential content to create too, later down the road

[deep copper]

quicksaves killls all dwarfs

[dark sequoia]

lol

[timber viper]

RTS is wildest type in the game industry, almost everything is difficult about it :\

[dark sequoia]

ah I see

I know one hard aspect was the AI, right? at least thats what ive read before

[deep copper]

it probably can, but would you, is probably the question

[dark sequoia]

prolly not me no, lol

[deep copper]

that looks amazing

[dark sequoia]

at least not anytime soon... maybe i'll attempt it years from now :p

[timber viper]

An experienced AI programmer can overcome RTS AI easily but rest of it is difficult. Rendering, movement cost, threading things to make it run smoothly etc.

[deep copper]

this has textures

[dark sequoia]

yeah that too, one of the main issues I personally have in UE4 isnt the visuals or controls and getting things to work right... its getting it to not run like crap, haha

which I must continue to maintain and balance out

[deep copper]

i wonder if some modern architecture can help with that thinking process

[dark sequoia]

and learning to refine blueprints more, and all that

[timber viper]

If you have $$$ check Nitrous engine. Otherwise consider Spring Engine. And forget about UE 😄

[quasi mantle]

I think it would be better to start of simpler, like shooters or RPGs

Or maybe turn based stuff

[dark sequoia]

well it runs fine in terms of graphics, its the code processing that kills it if not properly designed (like when to use ticks and timers, and when not to). im still new in the grand scheme of things so its understandable so far heh

[deep copper]

always better to test the waters first

[dark sequoia]

but its definitely better than it was months ago, for my stuff

[dark sequoia]

yeah exactly

[knotty skiff]

shiny people

[deep copper]

lubricated

[dark sequoia]

haha yeah

[deep copper]

what do those offer exactly? speed?

[dark sequoia]

also ive never even heard of those before tbh, haha

[timber viper]

They are specialized for RTS games

[dark sequoia]

oh really? interesting

[timber viper]

They have some back-end stuff for running thousand of entities, including their AI, movement, replication

[quasi mantle]

Source Engine?

[dark sequoia]

dayum..

[timber viper]

And most important, they have lockstep

Lockstep is only sane way to create multiplayer RTS games

Unless you have billions to waste on dedicated servers 😄

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah thats the other thing, I have not even touched anything to do with multiplayer yet at all within UE4 lmao

[knotty skiff]

No

[dark sequoia]

ive mostly focused on single player stuff, atm

[timber viper]

Prepare a depression pill before touching

[knotty skiff]

They are more shinier than the gun

[deep copper]

that sounds awesome, downside, it's paid?

[timber viper]

Spring Engine is free, other one is paid

[quasi mantle]

Start with single player stuff, or at the very least local multiplayer / LAN party

[dark sequoia]

the RTS thing is more of a dream type project anyway, which is something I prolly wont bother with until much later down the road

and yeah the way Ive been approaching it is that I want to understand how to implement the basics of a game before I worry about stuff like multiplayer and all that

[quasi mantle]

Was that the one that recently free? Under GPL?

[timber viper]

Spring Engine was always free iirc

[quasi mantle]

Gosh, I hate GPL lmao

[timber viper]

And yeah its GPL

[dark sequoia]

main thing ive been working on lately is ammo system for weapons, and different weapon types, switching them all back and forth, holstering/unholstering, and then having NPCs able to do the same

[quasi mantle]

MIT / BSD are better than GPL
You can't change my mind

[timber viper]

I'm also working on a similar system, a modularized and replicated weapon system. So I over consume depressive pills recently 😔

[dark sequoia]

the ammo was a real bitch to do though haha, but eventually got it going good

[deep copper]

there there

[dark sequoia]

i even made it so you can toggle "realistic" reloading... which empties the entire mag/clip of ammo if you have shots left :p

just cause, heh

many of mine are based on using structs and enums, etc

[quasi mantle]

Most of my open source stuff are in either MIT or BSD
(currently relicensing my stuff to BSD-3-Clause licence, so misappropriations won't directed to me lol)

[dark sequoia]

with stuff that can be customized back and forth, for multiple weapon/ammo types based on one blueprint (the rest being child BPs)

[timber viper]

I almost have zero knowledge about these things. Am I in trouble?

[dark sequoia]

haha

[quasi mantle]

Not really

[deep copper]

i thought i was the only clueless one here

[timber viper]

I know MIT is most free one, lets you do anything you want

Not sure about others

[quasi mantle]

But be careful if you want to use GPL stuff in Unreal

[timber viper]

not sure about MIT too actually 😂

[foggy path]

GPL is the only problematic one really

[deep copper]

how/why

[foggy path]

If you integrate GPL code into your codebase now your codebase must also be published under GPL

[dark sequoia]

interesting

and yeah I know nothing about such things too, heh

i just know how I want gun to go bang

[timber viper]

So if I make a game with spring engine should I also release it on github?

wtf

[quasi mantle]

Yes, for free

[deep copper]

that's quite a downside

[timber viper]

Oh god 😄

[foggy path]

I'm not sure if that's how it works with an engine. It depends on how it integrates with your code

[deep copper]

avoid gpl, all good

[foggy path]

It could possibly be compared to a situation where you use a GPL-application binary as a tool

[quasi mantle]

It's a downside for those with commercial incentives, but upside for open source community

[deep copper]

it's such a vampire like thing though, i wonder if spring did it because of that

[timber viper]

What happens if I take a GPL code that used STL everywhere and rewrite it with UE's framework

Can they sue me?

[deep copper]

best for tools then

[pearl elk]

hmm my Epic Launcher is dead 😦

[deep copper]

atleast you are okay :D

[foggy path]

@timber viper UE is incompatible with GPL. You wouldn't be able to release it legally speaking

[timber viper]

I gotta learn these things one day

[deep copper]

what's the punishment btw

penalty or whatever

[foggy path]

the GPL stuff is said on UE's FAQ pages :)

[pearl elk]

GPL is a transferrable license thats the issue

[foggy path]

Punishment is you can't release your project

If you do then most likely excessive legal fees and fines

[pearl elk]

cant un-GPL it thats what LGPL is for

[dark sequoia]

also thats sorta like how Im doing it too, yah (sorry for late response, lol)

[deep copper]

ouchy

[quasi mantle]

If you don't use the code or do a clean room reverse engineering, you could be fine

[timber viper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Knights#Silicon_Knights_vs._Epic_Games

[quasi mantle]

By the latter, I mean analyse the inner working of it and do your own implementation based on your founding

[quasi mantle]

Kinda unrelated, but quite severe
In SK's case it was breach of contract case

[deep copper]

ugh, too much legal language for me 💫

[dark sequoia]

lol yah..

sounds familiar though, i think i recall this when it happened at the time

[quasi mantle]

Basically SK said "your docs sucks", but Epic said "don't say we didn't warn you"

[timber viper]

I guess that explains why still docs sucks

[dark sequoia]

its treason then

[deep copper]

haha but how did it end though?

[quasi mantle]

But then SK caught stealing UE3 code for their own engine

[quasi mantle]

Epic won and SK go down

[timber viper]

Explains a lot btw 😄 After the lawsuit

[dark sequoia]

damn

[deep copper]

that's quite bad

[pearl elk]

Epics docs are better than the government ones I use at work 😛

[quasi mantle]

Also many of their games using any bits of UE3 code got destroyed

[deep copper]

"atleast it exists"

[dark sequoia]

oh yeah now I remember them! its cause they made the original Legacy of Kain game

[timber viper]

/** An Octree. */

[quasi mantle]

Also that cringe fest of a Metal Gear Solid remake

[dark sequoia]

lol yah

[pearl elk]

Im not even sure our Government knows what an octree is

[dark sequoia]

Legacy of Kain was a really cool series, too bad they stopped makin' em

[timber viper]

Probably my goverment dont know about it either

[median wraith]

On UE4 GPL is illegal because GPL spreads like a cancer, so you cannot change the engine from their commercial license to a GPL

[quasi mantle]

Which is why I'm stand against GPL

And yet I forked few GPL repos

[timber viper]

How did they find out though

[quasi mantle]

https://github.com/TheHoodieGuy02/ for things that don't make sense

[quasi mantle]

Probably raid

[dark sequoia]

Nice icon :3 lol

[pearl elk]

good thing there isnt a government which is gpl, can you imagine that shit spreading 😛

[dark sequoia]

I should really get into the habit of using github more myself, but always been too lazy to lol

[median wraith]

About release a game with a engine that's GPL:
You can release the game with a zip or folder including the source code ONLY of the edited engine and the sources of your game.
You don't need to publish it online or release the sources of the art or the art itself.
The problem here and why I drop it is because don't give you control total over patchs or marketplaces etc as isn't compatible of you use the steam tools for example @timber viper

[timber viper]

Just staying away from it makes sense

Instead of that bullshit 😅

[dark sequoia]

oh nice, you work on Doom stuff as well?

[median wraith]

in 2009 was the only decent engines we had tbh

[quasi mantle]

Also my fork of Unreal Engine if you want anime style shading model and super epic lens flare

[median wraith]

even if you was in 2015 using the whole GZDoom framework is tempting

[pearl elk]

I use Quake Engine, its the best

[foggy path]

I wish you could do shading models without having to fork the fucking engine

[dark sequoia]

ah nice, I'll keep that in mind heh

[quasi mantle]

Well, I was (and still is) a Doom modder

[foggy path]

I don't want to deal with that

lol

[median wraith]

Like you have a ground proven whole FPS engine and game framework itself for free under GPL

[dark sequoia]

the most I ever did was create one doom map but thats about it, although I definitely played tons of Doom and lots of mods heh

[median wraith]

saves a ton of time even saves your life if you use them

but depends of the project

[pearl elk]

Doom Eternal with RT runs so well 😮

[quasi mantle]

I personally would make my own engine for boomer shooters

[dark sequoia]

the map I made was actually submitted to a twitch streamer contest, at the time

[quasi mantle]

Licensed under the permissive BSD-3-Clause

[dark sequoia]

and he played it live which was pretty cool

[quasi mantle]

Joel's Mapping Contest?

[foggy path]

I wouldn't start making an engine unless the goal was to make an engine and not a game

lol

[dark sequoia]

yup!

[pearl elk]

Why would you make an engine

[quasi mantle]

It was a meme fest of Doom maps, but some are genuinely good one

[median wraith]

those are dense to make, another reason I drop all those projects are the networking leaks they had by the time etc

[pearl elk]

just buy a cheap Barra and whack a turbo on it

[quasi mantle]

I myself am working on a 32-map story driven megawad

[dark sequoia]

yeah there were alot of meme ones, but also alot of very nice ones

[median wraith]

I had to drop recently a project inside UE4 that manages a lot of things also all my super engine changes

[dark sequoia]

oh really? nice

[median wraith]

don't see myself managing a whole engine on the time

[pearl elk]

Hevengine

[dark sequoia]

theres a guy in my own server who works on making Doom stuff too

[median wraith]

actually https://github.com/Hevedy/HevEn

that was one of the dropped projects back in the days

[pearl elk]

tesseract, I know this

[median wraith]

yeah from where I wonder

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-i-know-this-unix-system-gif-14433570

[median wraith]

if you came from the cards:
A.) ID Tech 3
B.) ID Tech 4
C.) Cube 2
D.) Tesseract
E. ) Urho3D

I think I used them all, but

[carmine frigate]

does any1 grip a mouse like that?

[median wraith]

on modern features the last ones was the more decent

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, called Timeloop
The premise was a former scientist going back into his former office, to find an experiment gone wrong. Then got dragged into interdimensional portal through the high fantasy land, then into dark fantasy hellish land

[pearl elk]

thats the pro hacker grip

[dark sequoia]

haha sounds cool

also I had a college professor once who used a mouse by facing it the opposite direction

as in, the buttons facing towards them lol

i guess, for w/e reason, its how they learned to use a mouse. very strange

[celest musk]

or he trolled you successful

[dark sequoia]

lol if so, they kept up with it for multiple semesters :p

[carmine frigate]

impossible

just try it

[foggy path]

it's not that hard

:P

[carmine frigate]

inverted X

[foggy path]

I can use my mouse with decent accuracy rotated like that

but try using one sideways, that's much harder lol

[quasi mantle]

To be fair mice devices weren't really common in 1992

[dark sequoia]

funny enough ive done that myself before when I was a kid, but it was for the original NES controller

when I first picked it up, it was upside down and its how i learned to play for a good few years lol

[pearl elk]

inverted Y is the proness

[dark sequoia]

but then eventually I forced myself to learn it proper when the SNES came out since that controller shaped better for gripping than the NES controller

[deep copper]

this brings me to a question, are there dual mouse users?

i am pretty certain someone would have tried that

Just add some extra mice and (optionally) keyboards and MouseMux will transform your PC into a multi-user system. The program will allow each independent user to type in different windows, drag or resize windows, and even allow fully simultaneous program interaction - all at the same time on the same windows desktop.

if you add the feet, you can use 4 at the same time

probably

but at that point keyboard hotkeys are faster ig

[median wraith]

I do tweet about new content and get 1 like

I do comment about something that isn't total true and get 100 hate likes

[deep copper]

you are talented

[median wraith]

yeah looks like it...

[timber viper]

Here ya go, its two likes now with mine

[pearl elk]

Im selling my likes as NFTs

[deep copper]

are you selling yourself though?

[median wraith]

isn't that OF ?

[pearl elk]

not sure I can post my spicy link here

[median wraith]

this days you have to pick between one of both

[deep copper]

OF?

[celest musk]

not sure if innocent or on a slow line...^

[pearl elk]

Only Friends

[deep copper]

ah no okay, i got it

///

[median wraith]

*orny Mans is another name you can give to it

Since is mainly the consumer isn't it ?

[pearl elk]

Only Mons

[celest musk]

idk if those count as men

[median wraith]

Sean Murray don't approve that

[median wraith]

welp this days all is kind of a huge grey scales list so I don't know anymore anything

[celest musk]

i feel like these days everything is on a huge rainbow

[median wraith]

For example bet the ones that gave me today a ton of dislikes as they follow a single indie project will call themselves indie lovers

Then you have all those abandoned projects on the road everyone ignored

[celest musk]

there's a lot of people which milk the indie train and put bad reputation on it

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bifrost-heimdall-thor-gif-23699177

[deep copper]

that's an enormous Rainbow

[celest musk]

that's what she said

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-ragnarok-hela-loki-thor-gif-14103409

[deep copper]

siblings are alike

[cursive crypt]

These are rigged to Manny prolly.

[deep copper]

!8ball are they rigged to you

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Outlook not so good.

[deep copper]

it's a cruel thing but they are i guess 😢

[soft night]

!8ball is ryobg rigged you?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: Very doubtful.

[deep copper]

!8ball you doubt ryobg?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

[deep copper]

!8ball you don't have evidence for it?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Yes.

@brisk ether, :8ball: Concentrate and ask again.

[deep copper]

manny : "say that one more time"

[quasi mantle]

TFW a UE4 project but it's licenced under GPL

[deep copper]

is it in trouble?

[quasi mantle]

I dunno, the licence commit file has been dated for 5 years

[deep copper]

they must be quite close

it's a pun on the word "dated"

get it

[pearl elk]

just because its listed as gpl doesnt mean thats legal

I have projects under CC sharealike which isnt a legit license for UE4 projects either

[deep copper]

you can't use ue4 with those?

[pearl elk]

you need a compatible license, you cant transfer rights which is why only certain licenses are used as examples by Epic

so you can say whatever license but whether that would hold in court is another matter

[foggy path]

GPL has a lot of visibility so it's possible some people choose it without understanding the implications, or the limitations with UE

although UE's licensing FAQ quite explicitly states so, I don't think most people have read it

[deep copper]

which is the best licence to pick for ue then?

[quasi mantle]

MIT or BSD are the safest

[deep copper]

alright

!8ball are you licensed

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Most likely.

[pearl elk]

!8ball do you like GPL?

[turbid spindle]

@pearl elk, :8ball: My sources say no.

[median wraith]

oh no the game ideas are sent only via dm

[deep copper]

xD i am telling you manny sometimes seems to give accurate responses

[foggy path]

yeah the game idea thing would be fun if it allowed posting here

[deep copper]

yes 😭

[pearl elk]

It used to but we spammed the crap out of lounge with it 😛

[deep copper]

it was way fun back then when it sent here

[median wraith]

feels like trump going tinder

[deep copper]

ghost has friends huh

[median wraith]

well maybe here means you are ghosted

[deep copper]

maybe the friends aren't into golf 😔

what the- manny gets blocked if i disable direct messages from this server

[tulip orbit]

cause it makes him sad

[deep copper]

are you back from work?

[ocean parcel]

hi guys! 🤙 🤙 🤙 🤙 😤 😤 😤 😤

[deep copper]

wazap

[ocean parcel]

My pliers got cancelled. >:(

How am I meant to crush my seeds now!?!?

[pearl elk]

damn cancel culture

[ocean parcel]

Wow! These ones are called a crimping tool! :)

I didn't even know 'crimping' was a word!

[deep copper]

compress (something) into small folds or ridges. hmmm

[pearl elk]

Crimping is like crunking only with more c-walk

[ocean parcel]

c-walk?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/afroman-cripwalk-gif-8407740

[deep copper]

crunking?

[ocean parcel]

ah is this a old-school dance?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-krump-ck-colli-krome-dance-gif-20008261

so everyone knows how to crimp now 😛

[ocean parcel]

I smell a fire.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-antifa-fire-gif-18363894

[deep copper]

they got some moves 👌 💽

[knotty skiff]

Tf they shiny fo??

[deep copper]

it's porcelain

even the sky i guess

[knotty skiff]

That ain't sky

YOU!

[deep copper]

wha

[deep copper]

a

[knotty skiff]

Wait how loud was it???

[deep copper]

i don't have headphones all i see is pixels moving

[knotty skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-surprised-hand-shakes-head-shocked-gif-24736992

[deep copper]

@zinc matrix that looks like lex

[tulip orbit]

yeah. went grocery shopping hungry, got lots of snacks 😄

[deep copper]

are you cooking today?

[tulip orbit]

heck no

I'm having a bowl of cereal

[median wraith]

man I'm dry of ideas

have to take a a break at some point

[tulip orbit]

I'm still on a break

I'll finish it. I'll add a big ||cock|| to it.

[deep copper]

ah. so relatable

wait that gnome face from earlier! i thought that was just a historical statue xD

[deep copper]

you mean the 🐔 he was cooking?

[tulip orbit]

I mean the gnome, but the chicken could be fun

[deep copper]

awesome work ponki!

[knotty skiff]

Ayoo!!! it's HL2 EP2 References!!!

[soft night]

hL3 ep3

[median wraith]

did epic had a infinite runner example on the marketplace ?

[zinc matrix]

Nah, that's just Dwayne Johnson

[deep copper]

it's very close

[zinc matrix]

I think he's bald by choice

I FUCKING KNEW IT!

You're making a 3d model of yourself

[deep copper]

you got gnomed before?

[zinc matrix]

Yes and I love it

[deep copper]

o-oh

[fathom wadi]

I made a 3d model of myself once. It actually looked great too

I was a bit pissed off when i took the reference photo :p

I have a blender plugin that is good for making faces from reference photos but I never got it to make one as well as this turned out. I ended up looking like a right potato.blend

[mossy nexus]

Trying to come up with a witty Star Gate comment but failing. Feel free to make up your own.

[fathom wadi]

I sharted from my star gate.
Best I could come up with

I can't remember. haven't used it since last year

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/tealc-stargate-gif-17960585

[fathom wadi]

Fake Worf 😄

Time for a nice cup of coffee, a BLT sandwich and another 10 hours of Elden Ring because gamers are degenerates. 😄

[deep copper]

now anything without hair is lex to me ... @zinc matrix

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/lex-luthorlex-box-video-downloader-fat-chin-gif-18550487

[deep copper]

ponk pfp got Medusa-ed

[zinc matrix]

"Suck my triple chin, Superman!"

[fathom wadi]

that face is what my penis makes when I have kidney stones

[deep copper]

haha that's so lex like xD

[deep copper]

xD

[median wraith]

so what you think about this game ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2gGWLpSNFo&ab_channel=Raptor

yeah I just remember about that one, but thought they gave something else for free mmm

[ocean parcel]

Wow energy prices have gone up massively.

It's like.... legit not even worth living anymore lol.

[wheat narwhal]

Where is that at?

[ocean parcel]

UK

Energy prices have quadrupled in the last year, my supplier says.

[wheat narwhal]

That's crazy. Energy prices here in Finland have went up slightly, like 25% maybe.

Oh. Guess since last year it's went up by about 85% But still. 400% is nuts.

[deep copper]

that's insane

[verbal junco]

so a VR shooter without the VR 😂

[ocean parcel]

'The costs of living outweigh the benefits of living.'

[deep copper]

the 'benefit' of living is paying the costs

plot twist

[verbal junco]

sounds like adult life

[deep copper]

.. that kinda hits hard

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cafe-coffee-waiting-gif-16299762

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-funny-gif-22460814

[median wraith]

That's my status today

[verbal junco]

what a coincidence, it's mine too... that's why I posted it 😎

[timber viper]

Worst shooter I played

Adding 360 degree of rotation to Z axis was not a good idea

Also levels are dark as f

Controls are kinda wacky too

TL;DR its bad

[deep copper]

by "shooter" are we talking about a game genre or a character type ?

[timber viper]

Genre I guess

First person shooter

[deep copper]

i see i see

[verbal junco]

where's the off switch?! WHERE IS IT

[deep copper]

i wonder if the off means you turn your whole self off basically die

[timber viper]

there

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-friends-funny-dog-slow-gif-5256464

[timber viper]

Cute boi

[cursive crypt]

Two bois

lol

Stupid joke.

[deep copper]

that joke is good but also annoying idk why

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... didn't knew we are sharing jokes here. Gotta keep an eye.

My issue is that even when I try hardest, I forget them all quickly.

[fleet tangle]

Why doesn't Sonic answer the phone? ||He likes the rings||

[cursive crypt]

Phone with rings? Are we talking about these from the 20 century?

I loved to just dial them w/o calling anyone actually.

[fleet tangle]

Sonic is also from the 90s, so...

[cursive crypt]

I don't get it basically.

[fleet tangle]

When you receive a phone call, your phone rings...

Sonic collected rings in the games.

[cursive crypt]

So, it makes sense he post his number on social media so everyone can call him.

Or maybe Sonic is an annoying brat? Likes to ring people.

Calls for extended warranty.

Me too. I hear stories tho.

We got instead mobile operators and banks calling you for offers.

Do you want 10000 channels? It is very cheap.

[deep copper]

i actually thought about the answer for like 10 sec, but failed, and the answer annoyed me, it's funny, but annoying aaaaa

[fleet tangle]

Lol

If you face palmed, my mission is complete.

[deep copper]

also how in the world are you guys coming up with such unknown dad jokes

i have read my fair share of them before

to safeguard

people still watch tv?

oh yeah, Netflix became a thing didn't it

on tv

[fleet tangle]

I made that one.

[regal pecan]

That's not a dad joke, that's a mere riddle.

[deep copper]

...are you a dad? if so it's a dad joke

[fleet tangle]

Unfortunately not.

[cursive crypt]

Afaik... Some have TV but they say, that they don't watch. I think, they just don't want to feel alienated instead.

I personally, enjoy TV. Few times in year, when I'm visiting someone.

[regal pecan]

It does get bundled with other things.

[fleet tangle]

I'm technically watching a tv channel, I think? France 24 English News

[ocean parcel]

Arirang News is the best.

[cursive crypt]

True, the offers around are bundled with internet. Curiously, they don't expect someone to deny TV, but keep the internet 🤷‍♂️

[regal pecan]

It looks bad to lose users for one of your services, even as the other grows.

[cursive crypt]

I think, TV gets old. As the newspapers. Like, content on demand is much more contemporary as a service.

YouTube, Twitch, Netflix, News sites, etc.

[deep copper]

with tv you don't generally get to pick what to watch, only what category to watch

channels i mean

also no skipping or speeding it up

[cursive crypt]

Modern TVs can record/rewind.

[deep copper]

i think modern ones should be capable enough if it records it, then you can play it anyway, atleast i hope

[ocean parcel]

What does it mean when someone says they want 'something serious'. Like what does that actually even mean.

[fleet tangle]

Are you talking relationships again?

[ocean parcel]

Yeah I think so.

[fleet tangle]

Probably something along the lines of an ongoing, exclusive romantic relationship.

[ocean parcel]

Ohh 🤔

I didn't realise there another type. 😂

[fleet tangle]

You'd be surprised.

[deep copper]

oh yeah, there's a lot of types of that

it's interesting

[cursive crypt]

lul

Was that before or after the Great toilet paper crisis?

[verbal junco]

was there a great toilet paper crisis?

[ocean parcel]

hi cheeseburgers

[deep copper]

sup chiperger

[regal pecan]

Early pandemic there was an apparent shortage of toilet paper

[verbal junco]

"early pandemic" is now a time period

we got "early triassic" and "early pandemic"

[fleet tangle]

Toilet paper cures covid, didn't you know?

[cursive crypt]

https://i.imgur.com/9FxdLrw.jpg

Gamers gotta game.

Also, it reminded me of few kompotes I have stored 🍴

[fleet tangle]

Is that a Ukranian? Probably shouldn't be using "master race" when they're literally being accused of being neo-nazis.

[verbal junco]

I know it's supposed to be light but damn this is really sad

[verbal junco]

by the goverment who declared war on them. I don't know, I'd check that bias

[fleet tangle]

I'd have to say I'm definitely biased against Putin (not Russians in general,) but that doesn't really apply.

[cursive crypt]

What is this about the "race"?

[fleet tangle]

Heh

[dark sequoia]

Heh

[verbal junco]

the irony is that french's is the worst mustard

[fleet tangle]

I do like some grainy dijon.

[verbal junco]

I used to think dijon was king

but the british colman's has it beat

(in my opinion)

I do like the graininess of grainy dijon

[fleet tangle]

I've never been a fan of English mustard.

[verbal junco]

I never thought I would be

also, noodle stirfry with peanut butter and mustard is quite nice

[fleet tangle]

That does sound interesting.

[cursive crypt]

Huh, not familiar with the context. Thanks tho :)

[fleet tangle]

"PC Master Race" has been a meme since before the intarwebs.

To refer to people who game on PCs over consoles.

[cursive crypt]

Aah, oke, I wondered whether it is related.

[regal pecan]

related: Dirty console peasants

[verbal junco]

has anyone here played control?

[left granite]

lol

👌

[verbal junco]

https://medium.com/codex/what-are-the-greenest-programming-languages-e738774b1957

can you imagine gnomes with tentacle length arms though?

ever so slightly unnerving

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-falls-gif-22766481

here's some reference

[verbal junco]

well if garden gnomes are your passion I'm not gonna judge

[verbal junco]

please turn the galactic thonk into an emoji with your awesome nitro powers

[fleet tangle]

The fuck is it with people in here and gnomes?

[verbal junco]

what you got some anti gnome bias too??

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-gif-18785735

lmao why does this exist

[tulip orbit]

why did you search for it?

[fleet tangle]

Gnomes are literally Putin.

[verbal junco]

just typed in "gnome" in the gif search

[verbal junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_of_Kyiv ukrainian military slowly showing up with dark soul boss names

[quasi mantle]

I am now proud to proclaim myself as an Unreal Engine 4 baby boomer

Not following them gen zeds in their Unreal Engine 5

Yes

Of course I'm kidding
I do stay on 4.27, but it feels like many people think it's hugely obsolete already with 5.0 Preview 1

I'm sure many people in this server disagree on that.

It has happen with 5.0 EA before, it sure happen with Preview builds again

Don't get me wrong, Nanite and Lumen are messiah and visual changer

But holy shit do I feel like a boomer when majority of the server uses 5.0 already

[verbal junco]

is this the newest cpp meme?

I was just about to ask

[fleet tangle]

Discord channel?

Ah. Yeah.

They're pretty great.

(and hiring!)

[verbal junco]

is that a studio

or are discord servers now big enough to be hiring people

[fleet tangle]

Which is why I'm intimately acquainted with slate these days. Yay...

(it's not all that bad.)

[verbal junco]

DMX died tho

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMX

I don't know any other DMX

DMX file formats maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YrrAroK6bI

[fleet tangle]

http://geotech.one lots of stuff about it there probably.

[verbal junco]

lighting has an industry?!

[quasi mantle]

Ah, you mean DMX used in Doom engine

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DMX

[fleet tangle]

Totes.

[verbal junco]

I thought that'd be rotating some actors at most 🤔

[fleet tangle]

Lighting is actually quite complex.

When you're talking about real world simulation

[verbal junco]

when you say that are you referring to the renderer

[fleet tangle]

Not really.

[verbal junco]

the actual lighting calculations then?

[quasi mantle]

It's actually controlling the lights on stage

I've actually used one of those tools at one point back in my event organising odd job days

[verbal junco]

sure there's definitely a bunch of parameters

[quasi mantle]

I won't miss that event jobs for sure 🙃

[fleet tangle]

I don't know much about dmx, but it's a lot to do with colour matching real world lights, so it has to be able to emulate different types of lights, colour stuff. Idk.

I'm super helpful.

[verbal junco]

I mean testing lighting setups like that looks like they'd be epilepsy inducing

[fleet tangle]

Cool

[quasi mantle]

Don't remind me with how my health degrade from that event jobs

Felt like vietnam war stories or something already

They didn't even give me enough time to do R&D and make a fucking template

[verbal junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrOPhs_QXw this definitely needs more appreciation

[thorny dock]

https://twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1497618928872398852

Supper Mario Broth (@MarioBrothBlog)

Donkey Kong 64 contains an obscure hint function that is ostensibly intended to help players who fail to make progress in any specific level. However, the requirements to activate it are absurd, such as pausing the game 1501 times in a row or crouching for 4 hours straight. https://t.co/xn9JKEvW8G

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[verbal junco]

finally some good effing game design

[knotty skiff]

Mfw when Elden Ring (I am playing it rn)

[tulip orbit]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/76742122.jpg

https://pics.me.me/entertain-me-peasants-13844933.png

[cursive crypt]

I usually play with peons, not peasants.

https://i.redd.it/ua8lmu38f7k81.png

Some recent heat about nfts and etc.

[unreal cedar]

It's like Tim's ego can't take someone else doing something right. Or he can't stand Valve looking good for some reason.
His argument there falls apart entirely by the fact that Valve lets you distribute steam keys outside their store...

Yes, it could be that Valve doesn't want to lose the 30% of whatever crypto transactions would be. Or... they saw too many scams on their own platform and decided they didn't want to deal with it. Which is exactly what Gabe said. He didn't even shut down the possibility of blockchain entirely - he said that he has nothing against the tech but the space right now doesn't make any sense for them to support.
Which is almost the same stance Epic has taken so I'm confused as to what Tim's problem even is.

It's as if Tim feels the need to take a shot at his competitors every time they do anything, regardless of what that thing is. Anything to get into the news.

[cursive crypt]

To me, it looks like they called for his opinion. He gave it. Then someone start biting at him. There are much energy efficient solutions than Bitcoin too. In fact, the latter is pretty bad system. Then there are scams, sure. However, the whole thing is not something bad per-se. It is a thing which develops and get more and more into the lives of people. It should be a controlled experiment. Many have failed so far, but imho, it is just matter of time.

[unreal cedar]

To me, it looks like they called for his opinion. He gave it. Then someone start biting at him.
I don't take it that way at all - his very first response is complaining about valve being greedy. Which... it's not like they're getting this money by banning these kinds of games. Those games are just not going to be on steam, they're not switching to steam mtx.

[spare glade]

@unreal cedar At the end of the day its Tims opinion, whether or not he seems to just be using the opportunity to throw shade.

[unreal cedar]

And you can make a decision that's overall good while still having some upside for yourself.

Oh sure, it's Tim's opinion. He just seems to take every possible opportunity to throw shade when it's completely unwarranted.

I respect him for what he pushes for and what he does at Epic. I also think he has quite a lot of bad takes.

[spare glade]

It can also be both though, Steam could be doing it for money and that NFTs are a bad idea, doesnt mean Tim is wrong.

[unreal cedar]

That's what I said - you can make a decision that's overall good while still having some upside for yourself.

But he's very clearly framing that in a negative light.

[spare glade]

But I do tend to agree with the observation that Tim does seem to always take every opportunity to try and hurt Steam/Valve

lol

[cursive crypt]

He was literally tagged in that, lol

[unreal cedar]

Yes, someone called for his opinion and he gave it. And I believe it was a bad take before "someone started biting at him" - that's what I mean.

[cursive crypt]

I just see some ppl biting each other as we do now say.

[unreal cedar]

And again, Gabe's view is consistent with what Tim himself has said: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1442519522875949061

Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic)

@EliBenSasson Replied:

We aren’t touching NFTs as the whole field is currently tangled up with an intractable mix of scams, interesting decentralized tech foundations, and scams.

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so I really don't get what his problem with this is.

[cursive crypt]

Interesting, I don't see the problem here.

[unreal cedar]

That's my point. Tim is complaining about Valve being greedy because... they made an explicit policy of what Tim's own view is?

It's not like valve can't change their policies if the field isn't a scam minefield.

[spare glade]

Which is why i think your right when you say hes just doing it to do it.

[cursive crypt]

I think the idea is about hampering the progress 🤷‍♂️ It will happen.

Anyway, I'm not having a breakfast with these guys. They can talk whatever they want. Also, people change opinions frequently enough for me to get stuck in their vision.

[unreal cedar]

I agree, it just annoys me to no end.

[thorny dock]

To be clear, Tim is against using NFT's in epics own products, but is open to hand picking other developers to have NFTs on epics platform, while steam has banned them all together

[unreal cedar]

Is there something clarifying that? Because the context from the tweet I posted doesn't say that.

[thorny dock]

https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1497635683984420867?s=20&t=IBpq0gylM0kO2UGlqo9CGg

Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic)

“@Nightshade128 @EeniThesian66 @aykrivwassup @IGN @SuperMarioT_YT @EpicGames Surely you see the difference between Epic deciding not to use NFTs in our own products, versus deciding not to use our control of a store to block all other developers from using NFTs. The later recognizes each developer’s and gamer’s freedom to decide.

https://t.co/S...

Twitter · Feb 26, 2022, 6:12 PM

[unreal cedar]

Ok, fair enough. Didn't see that.

[thorny dock]

Twitter does not make it easy to find, lucky I even saw it lol

[unreal cedar]

I do still think he's being inconsistent though - he outright says that the field is full of scams. I'm not sure why codifying "we don't want to deal with things until the field is better" is a bad thing.

[timber viper]

I just have a feeling Tim is being passive-agressive about his feelings