lounge

[zinc matrix]

Walls of text are hell

[deep copper]

if it's getting the basics down, you can pull it off easily, and trust me, most softwares devs are just that, ofc, not top tier but that helps them make a living, and since you are teaching that to people who can benifit from it, they may spread the knowledge, that's the best case scenario

[zinc matrix]

I don't really have a high market value skill

[deep copper]

higher people who can do it

get people who can do it i mean

[zinc matrix]

Well wait a minute

Even if I were to teach impoverished children how to code

Wouldn't that kinda help fuel the problem of cobalt mining?

[deep copper]

that's not a problem you can stop right now

and think of all those people already doing softwares dev who can also go without it

[zinc matrix]

But it's a problem I can help mitigate by joining that volunteer team to arrest slave owners

[zinc matrix]

who is stopping you to do that?

[zinc matrix]

Go without what?

[deep copper]

• the future is now shifting towards tech, if you get them those resources you are helping people climb into a similar comfort zone as you the faster

[zinc matrix]

...

Nobody

But my own fear

[deep copper]

learning software dev

[zinc matrix]

if i was you, i would avaliate what conditions you would deal with

i bet that a trip towards fighting this stuff can be dangerous

and if you gave up in the middle?

idk i would suicide probably

[deep copper]

i mean, the trip is better than blaming yourself for not doing anything everyday

[zinc matrix]

that is no child play this thing

Yeah

[deep copper]

but the small steps seem less risky and more helpful to me

[zinc matrix]

I have to be a Man of Steel

maybe you are fine

i get sad by knowing i killed an ant accidentally

[deep copper]

ah, same

i remember one day watching a kid just smashing all the ants

it was nightmare for me

[zinc matrix]

my father went away with his mother when they killed a pig on the celery when he was a kid

he still eat pork

so some people can deal better with dissonance

[zinc matrix]

Like volunteering at a local homeless shelter?

[deep copper]

yes, you will also get familiar with the issues the shelter has

[zinc matrix]

Okay

[zinc matrix]

you do you, but not many people are concerned about human rights inside the game industry (or at least going towards making something about it), so may there is a good window for you?

[deep copper]

remember, you need to have enough funds to stay alive AND help others, going somewhere randomly seems like a good way to loose everything you could have built up and used better if you understood it first

and nearby chances like helping seem best to get familiar

[zinc matrix]

Maybe

[last matrix]

there are a lot of people concerned about human rights that work in the game industry, i think you mean the companies do not show that concern

[deep copper]

if your game has less competition it could go either very well or very bad, just make sure it's fun enough

[zinc matrix]

You're right, I have to be smart

I just hope those kids can hold on long enough

[zinc matrix]

i think no one educated enough to work with game dev. will swallow human right violation nicely, still, on hobby projects they will probably not fight that

now about big industries?

at least on my 7 hours straight on a podcast that interview industry veterans or people who are doing nice stuff, basically they all complain about workloads

who knows hopping for blizzard pop out an ad on WoW about conflicted minerals

as are not they accused of sexual harassment inside?

[deep copper]

the people in the industry won't have time for it, and industry companies etc aim for higher profits, can this topic get them more money than making a new moba? idk

[zinc matrix]

@deep copper but I mean, try putting yourself in those kids' non-existent shoes for a sec; they hate their lives, they're victims to evil firsthand in the name of greed; they're hoping for a hero to save them...like Superman

[zinc matrix]

please understand that you barely can do anything beyond warning people

And that's why I love Superman; he has all the power anyone could ask for but fights for those who are powerless

[deep copper]

they have never experienced anything better, if you don't experience anything better you may not miss it, it's extremely heartbreaking but that's how it can be

they probably don't even know what heroes are

[zinc matrix]

Wrong; https://youtu.be/Z-NCCIEZBKY

[zinc matrix]

Many of them have been ripped from the loving comfort of their parents

[zinc matrix]

and stop for some moments to focus on the negative side of your society

i had some very negative friends that are not here anymore

[deep copper]

see this guy is spreading awareness, you need to get to somewhere of that level somehow, a game seems like a decent way

you can start making games where people paying, has some part go into funds for this stuff

[zinc matrix]

But spreading awareness is pointless if nobody takes action; and it could be a double-whammy if I posted the arrests of slave owners on social media

[deep copper]

or perhaps make a store or something ? like steam

kinda risky but hey

[zinc matrix]

it is better than nothing

just do not over do it

let make a deal

next time someone post their pictures of mining setups

we rant them

[deep copper]

i am sorry to hear that

oh yeah, mining setups...

i wonder how much crypto fueled this

[zinc matrix]

You're right; it harms the environment

actually

what is the purpose of the calculations they do?

i never thought about it

[deep copper]

i have no idea

[zinc matrix]

Idk

maybe is not that bad

[deep copper]

i know they "mine" based on the algorithm value

[zinc matrix]

still i think a proper server set to do useful calculations are better than individuals

[deep copper]

yeah

[zinc matrix]

i mean, if they are REALLY needed

I think I should start small by trying to commit myself to a weekly volunteer work at a local homeless shelter

[deep copper]

yes

that's wonderful

[zinc matrix]

you can sit and talk with them too

just be prepared that sometimes they will just reject proximity

[zinc matrix]

That's fine

[deep copper]

actually, homeless people who do not have parents or something anymore might really appreciate that

having someone to talk to

you can also understand how they got there

perhaps get to the root cause that wsy

way*

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, it might even give them the motivation they need to get back on their feet

my first homeless contact was with a guy that killed his wife and after prison went to streets

[zinc matrix]

Yikes

Why did he kill his wife?

[deep copper]

that's a bit scary

[zinc matrix]

a bit sad, he seemed suffering from some mental disease

i really did not wanted to ask about how or why

[deep copper]

ah

[zinc matrix]

Well

actually i was scaried as heck

Not all homeless people are like that

i was in high school, skipping classes with a camera and wine

alone

[deep copper]

reminds me, i have seen some really weird people like that too, on the streets, i remember one lady just poking people with a tall rod and speaking gibberish

[zinc matrix]

nope, many are because mental disease actually

[deep copper]

i wonder if she was homeless

[zinc matrix]

Well I can't fix that

you can do research in neuro science field

[last matrix]

its not about fixing

[deep copper]

you can probably call some authority aimed at helping them

[zinc matrix]

True

or be a competent volunteer psychologist

[zinc matrix]

Yeah, it's about doing the best you can

[deep copper]

yeah, i remember being at a emotional support thing, the main thing there was to just activily listen and be there for others, never fix

advice was strictly prohibited

because it does more harm

[zinc matrix]

Would you say it really made a difference in the end?

[deep copper]

it did for me, and it has helped a lot of people emotionally

it's not aimed at those who don't have homes or basic needs though, or suicidal people etc, i think it was called 7 cups?

it's also volunteer based and has decent guides on how to deal with people with emotional baggage of certain kinds

[zinc matrix]

Well

You helped someone

That's better than nothing

[deep copper]

the end goal was always to let people have clarity or feel heard

and that they are the best problem solver for themselves because they understand themselves the best

[zinc matrix]

did they provided resources in a easy way to digest or you are a psychologist?

[deep copper]

for example i would tell you "you know yourself the best, what would you have told a friend in exactly same situation as you?" etc etc, sometimes most volunteers felt bot like because of it

[deep copper]

it was easy, i have no understanding of human psychology

[zinc matrix]

do you still have it?

[deep copper]

you may need to make an account though and also figure out the navigation, the website is slightly, clunky

i do, i plan to go through more of its resources, but talking to the listeners or listening to others feels more, satisfying at times

[zinc matrix]

i am just interested in the recommendation doc rather than providing support

i am too egocentric to listen and not opinate

[deep copper]

that's what the "course" tells you to do, it has ways to stop yourself from judging others and making them open up

it's kinda manipulative if you ask me but hey it helps

[zinc matrix]

But anyway

Thanks guys

We all may have limits

We may even fall short at times

We all have our doubts and worries

[zinc matrix]

can you share here?

But we should never give up on doing what's right

[zinc matrix]

yeah, anytime you feel down about game dev. just rant here

[deep copper]

another thing i have come to learn from there btw, is strivvy might have accepted it decisionally but accepting things emotionally takes time, so do take your time strivvy, to process things

[zinc matrix]

Yeah

I didn't even really know much about this slavery thing until recently

[deep copper]

https://www.7cups.com/

[zinc matrix]

Now that I know of it, I'd feel guilty if I just ignored it

I have to help somehow

I want to be a hero

[deep copper]

just make a listener account, you might have to go through their listener course, then path -> training

and pick any topic you want, or go through their guides for member accounts, although idk where that is

[zinc matrix]

can not i just drive into i am to become a volunteer listener?

[deep copper]

it's the sad truth but it's kinda there, good thing people are spreading it, so it atleast reaches people like you

[zinc matrix]

The battle for truth and justice is neverending, but we can't give up

[deep copper]

idk actually, i haven't navigated properly into it ever, but you can just set yourself offline and not listen as well

[deep copper]

https://www.7cups.com/supportGuides/selfHelpGuides.php

might be what you want, but i haven't ever been there

as a listener, you often redirect people with severe issues or as a recommendation to there

or to therapy

[zinc matrix]

i am in really need

thanks i will take a sip

[deep copper]

some new issue might pop up as well, if you are into this whole deal you might actually be able to help those in perfect timing

[deep copper]

haha is that a pun on 7 cups

anyway i hope it helps, or if it doesn't, just go for 1 on 1 chat with listeners, remember, browse through the list, new listeners are often not helpful

be sure to check some guidelines that pop up here and there, keep all information confidential, (the 1-1 chats)

as in,you can open up but don't say whatever happened in it outside to anyone, it's discouraged

[zinc matrix]

i had the intention of just getting better dialect with myself by reading recommendations of how threat other people

but you just made me realize i am actually depressing myself deeply

[deep copper]

why do you think you are depressing yourself?

[zinc matrix]

have you read the lounge chat past few days?

[deep copper]

i just arrived here today , so not at all

[zinc matrix]

ah i was ranting badly about much work

[deep copper]

actually i arrived a while back but i arrived into lounge today

ah, so work stress

that can be quite burdening

[zinc matrix]

i just take this quest of developing a well polished game out of my first experience

i am going into year 2 of development

@zinc matrix @deep copper no way...I found this on the IJM site

[last matrix]

i would start feeling depressed having to rig all of those models

[deep copper]

are you a solo dev or in a team?

[zinc matrix]

i saw this one too

[zinc matrix]

solo

[deep copper]

what in the

[zinc matrix]

i think the mood i was into mountaineering and bicycle touring does not translate well into game dev.

i just abandoned all my old friends because i was intended to go to Andes mountain region doing solo stuff

i did not accepted death as a certainty but now i see

[outer perch]

how do i get the screenshare role, didnt see anything in rules or info..

[zinc matrix]

Superman is more than a fictional character, he's a symbol of the goodness in humanity...even a kid in a 3rd world country understands that...

idk how i will ground up but sorry i be a bit rude or just dissapear

[deep copper]

so you sacrificed some interesting task you wanted to do to focus on developing something

[last matrix]

you have to dm manny

[deep copper]

but your mind was all in the mountaineering mood?

[outer perch]

whats the command?

[deep copper]

that must have been quite frustrating for you to have been pushed that far

[zinc matrix]

one day i just headed to the computer and by accessing the only 2 websites i accessed that time something just clicked like: you probably will be dead soon

[deep copper]

are you still in touch with your friends?

[zinc matrix]

so i just forgot about it

[last matrix]

i dont remember >.<

trying to find it

[zinc matrix]

the worst thing about me is that i have enough time to think, as my parents are not pressuring me to do anything

[zinc matrix]

i can call them on instagram but is not the same

[deep copper]

that's true, see entertainment has the power to symbolise the good, you should believe you can pull that off with your game as well

[zinc matrix]

i has been more than 3 years from now

and i am not interested in their hobby too

i do not feel comfortable chatting further than this

anyway, thanks

[deep copper]

what have you planned so far?

[deep copper]

yeah, a virtual call isn't the best

[zinc matrix]

making a game, i think i will be ready in a a year or two

[deep copper]

is that why you are here? to connect with people in a similar hobby as you?

[zinc matrix]

firstly was to find people to help with my doubts on unreal

but i think i am stuck at lounge

[last matrix]

!stream DM Manny with that command

[deep copper]

the gaming industry is rapidly evolving and has decent future scope, i think it's a good choice

you have given yourself a timeframe for an year or 2, that's neat because i have seen many starting devs just give themselves a few months of timeframe to make whatever game for mobile and make quick cash

it doesn't really succeeds always for that small time

[zinc matrix]

i gave me one year at the start

but basically i spend one doing tutorials

production wise, i started in november

[deep copper]

haha the lounge is quite addictive yes, but it also helps you understand the others in similar situation as you so don't mind it

[zinc matrix]

but actually a year or 2 is just a guess

[last matrix]

have you broken down the time for tasks any more than yearly?

[zinc matrix]

nope, but as far as the pace goes for rigging plants, i can finish in 40 days

[deep copper]

it's good to get familiar with the tools, i would have done the same

[zinc matrix]

is the last grand thing i need to do, that is repetitive and boring

[deep copper]

and get to know who uses what how much

[zinc matrix]

after that, still is a lot of work but at least will take different field more often

oh i forgot about all the cooking animations

that will be massive too

but then i think i will reach the required plato

idk i have where to fell death so i am not desperate

[last matrix]

plateau*

[deep copper]

i hope you aren't making the project too big for yourself to handle

[zinc matrix]

i stripped a lot of the original idea

and i do not mind stripping a bit more

at least i want stay with the fake nipples

[deep copper]

oh okay, so you are aware of your limits, that should be a lot helpful as a starter

[zinc matrix]

i do not know

[outer perch]

ty!!

[zinc matrix]

i just realize today i was being a ruminant complaining about my dev here

[deep copper]

every dev needs a place to rant

[zinc matrix]

well, at least i am not allowing myself to suicide or anything harm in this spectrum

[deep copper]

i think someone just said here that the big industry people are often just complaining about workload too

[zinc matrix]

yeah but i do not think was friendly, anyway

[zinc matrix]

it is crazy

[deep copper]

if you start thinking a bit too much about that, have some change in pace

[zinc matrix]

i just met this old papa leading an animation in house engine code logic and he basically went nuts after i gave him room space to chat

so i can imagine how sick other people are out there

[last matrix]

we're ill

[deep copper]

haha i recall the ue4 community being supportive but everyone is just under a lot of stress

so no wonder

mainly because everyone has deadlines and then sometimes even the most insignificant of the things eat away a lot of the time

[zinc matrix]

i really can not believe how someone would dive into indie dev. without any type of financial background

reading reviews on steam of indie game feel like everyone want an equivalent of Don Quijote every release that pops out

the consumers of the game industry are really bad too

[deep copper]

which is how most die down, or start those kickstarter or whatever funding thing

yeah, i remember reading a few years back, some dev here said "all consumers just want another gta" or something

it can be quite difficult to make a new game work

[zinc matrix]

yeah

all i wanted is automated food production and i can sail with giovanna tweaking music software sailling somewhere

and stop at marinas to fuel up

oh

[deep copper]

are you interested in music as well?

[zinc matrix]

i will make some lentils and onions and post my day 3 streak on #food

[deep copper]

alright, sounds good

[zinc matrix]

soon i will hold the longest streak of food photos there

[deep copper]

.. day 3 streak?

[zinc matrix]

i love self hidden competitions

[deep copper]

no one lasted longer than 3 days here?

[zinc matrix]

yeah, feels like the most decent art for me

[zinc matrix]

my soon happens in a distant future

let me dream

[deep copper]

haha alright

[deep copper]

that's your hobby? interesting

what made you try game dev then exactly?

[zinc matrix]

i played a lot of video-games in the past

it was more a move to significate my whole life instead of just a part of it

as creating games would feel, to me, the biggest step i can take towards taking my past, present and future

although, i did not played video-games in some years at some point

from 19 to 23, 24

[zinc matrix]

You matter and everything else matters

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise

You're a hero

[deep copper]

am i correct in understanding you wanted to add value to your own life through game dev?

[zinc matrix]

Even if you make a game

[zinc matrix]

yeah, not that only game dev. would give me mean

but at least is the deeper i can take

as a kid, video-games hit really hard on me

i clearly remember the colour temperature of the day first time i entered in a online game

and the first time i opened my first game app on the computer

[deep copper]

this btw, some words anyone should live by

[zinc matrix]

and i had this mystery around it

[deep copper]

ah yes, i also get the same nostalgia

it's an amazing feeling,

[zinc matrix]

i hanged out with sports people on school but when i reached home i was secretly a super nerd

[deep copper]

every time you open a game, it filles you with positivity, how mysterious

[zinc matrix]

felt like Fight Club?

i always played in my free time but never talked about it with anyone

[deep copper]

hah, that's some lovely secret

[deep copper]

are those the same people you you wanted to contact for mountaineering?

[zinc matrix]

haha

nope, mountaineering people were late in life

my first volunteer on a old school that was turning into a hostel, the owner was a mountaineering guide at a national park

[deep copper]

that sounds like an interesting self comfy zone

[zinc matrix]

i never hiked and the first time i reached a peak was sublime

and i turned into mountaineering after meeting an old guy that after some months of friendship took me to his cabin on the mountains and i met the first mountaineering to climb everest in brazil

so the thing hit me really hard that time

[deep copper]

it's amusing how people can connect and find new ways to enjoy life

[zinc matrix]

@zinc matrix I'm sorry if the advice I gave you earlier came off as pretentious; maybe I was projecting myself onto you, but you do you

[deep copper]

that must have been quite a lively experience

[zinc matrix]

If you think you'll do a good job at something that can help people, do it

[zinc matrix]

yeah, but later high school i abandoned all my friends to hang out with nerds and actually i had one the best moments talking on skype till morning on the weekends etc.

@deep copper you're a good guy and you helped me put things into perspective

[zinc matrix]

yeah, we spend a great part of the night talking about climbing and mountain

i felt he turned into a teenager again

and he did climbed a lot in his days

[deep copper]

it's quite satisfactory to help others at times, do try it

[zinc matrix]

That's the plan

[deep copper]

i also abandoned my high school friends, they just didn't spark the joy i wanted , so i can understand

[deep copper]

aww, thanks! but it's only because you were ready to put things into perspective haha

[zinc matrix]

are you lonely?

[deep copper]

he might really love to go mountaineering with you again, i think you should contact him if you ever feel like you need a break

[deep copper]

if i ever feel lonely i just bother people online so not much haha

[zinc matrix]

we are on the season of rain, summertime

[deep copper]

one thing this world has a lot of is people afterall

[deep copper]

ah okay, i am not much of a mountain person, what time is the best for it?

[zinc matrix]

i think the season here starts at july

[deep copper]

that's about half an year away

[zinc matrix]

actually, just now that is bad because there is a lot of thunderstorms accumulating at the wall

i think in a month or 3 it just stops

[deep copper]

ah, that sounds quite dangerous for mountaineering

[zinc matrix]

everything that comes from sea stops here basically

and now it super hot

so a lot of stream

on the red zone

[deep copper]

and rain, i can see why

[zinc matrix]

rain is fine

thunder is not

lightning actually hehee

[deep copper]

oh yeah, that would strike the metal cycle thing

sorry i am not at all an outgoing person haha, so my mind doesn't really goes into the possible dangers quickly

[zinc matrix]

after giving up the dream of become a mountaineering basically i did some light cycle

heading into mountains hurts a bit

i really gave up of various things

[deep copper]

is that how it can be, muscle weakening?

[zinc matrix]

i spend 2 years alone like cave man

without any friends because i just reject them

so there is an emotional tie

my hobbie at mondays was to cycle to mountains and hike

[deep copper]

it makes you seem like you are hibernating, which is fine, since you are developing yourself in different ways

[zinc matrix]

basically i did that straight

and only that

[deep copper]

that sounds like a healthy plan to me

[zinc matrix]

is miserable

[deep copper]

but you do need emotional support

[zinc matrix]

i always was loner from the beginning but rejecting going out at the weekends to talk and use drugs hit me hard

[deep copper]

because physical needs being fullfilled doesn't really works without emotionally feeling fine

[zinc matrix]

i never got a girlfriend so i am not tied to close relationships too

[deep copper]

you enoyed the trip with that guy on the mountain because it fullfilled you emotionally and physically

[zinc matrix]

i think the longest one i supported was 2 weeks and that is it

[deep copper]

ah right, that does sounds a bit dangerous

[zinc matrix]

more because i had an strong objective to rely after that day

it consolidate itself when i finishing reading a book or two of crazy people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9x1Jkl_680

[deep copper]

if you feel more comfortable without close relations i think it's fine

[zinc matrix]

this guy was carrying all of its equip from sweden to nepal and climb everest

[deep copper]

of crazy people? what did you read lol

[zinc matrix]

i actually used Tinder for 4 years looking for someone haha

the girl i exchanged letters from high school dissapeared

she wants children, i do not

[deep copper]

that, sounds intense

[zinc matrix]

a shame that he died in a climb years later

[deep copper]

ah, i hope you find someone suitable that understands your needs, you probably will with time

[deep copper]

that's quite heavy of a burden

[zinc matrix]

i am actually finding my way to build a shell and be like some of people in my family which never went into relationships

[deep copper]

oh, that's quite painful, but atleast he lived his life to the fullest, i hope

[zinc matrix]

idk, never talked to him

[deep copper]

having a close person does have it benefits but you already have a lot on your plate, so i guess that's a decent idea, of shell

[deep copper]

actually, did you wanted to?

if you had the chance

[zinc matrix]

if he was alive up to the day i discovered him?

[deep copper]

yes

[zinc matrix]

i think i would supress the feeling of "i will die on a mountain" and just continued at the quest

idk i am not much of a stalker

[deep copper]

that's nice but yeah you might have taken quite the risk

[zinc matrix]

and overall all i could send to him would be : I AM YOUR FAN!@!!!!

[deep copper]

haha, i wonder if that would have made him feel better

to know he inspired people

[zinc matrix]

have you ever went through a relationship?

[deep copper]

hmm, not anything official ever

[zinc matrix]

he wrote a book, called Ultimate High and he was a small celebrity at his country that time, i think he knowed

[deep copper]

i never even tried looking actually lol

[zinc matrix]

i remember reading another book of the first guy that climbed all the 14 mountains above 8,000 meters in the world (without supplemental oxygen), mentioning him as a maniac reciting politics acts on the base camp

they participated of one of the worst episodes on everest, a disaster that hapenned in 1996

[deep copper]

that's great, atleast he wasn't one of those who die and later get recognised years after

[zinc matrix]

the year i born

and Goran was summiting Everest without supplemental oxygen and without fixed ropes by Sherpas

[zinc matrix]

what do you mean

[deep copper]

so, did they lose their lives there?

that sounds dangerous

[zinc matrix]

no, both succeed

Goran was in the time that he reached by bicycle there

oh and he returned with his girlfriend cycling to sweden afterwards hahaha

a machine!

[deep copper]

i did like a few people, but i think it was more of an admiration or inspiration lol, some people are just charismatic that way

[zinc matrix]

his girlfriend around USA with a kayak and a bicycle

[deep copper]

..what a flex lol

[zinc matrix]

feels gossip

[deep copper]

good to know that they made it!

[deep copper]

actually, how long do they even ride those for? each day, 6 hours?

[zinc matrix]

that was years after Goran death

but usually cycle touring people vary from 3 to 8 hours a day

depends on budget etc.

[deep copper]

ah that makes sense, it must be quite tiring to pull that off for so long

also it seems i will get a bit busy now, with my daily schedules... oof . i had a lot of fun talking with everyone here! hope you all have a pleasant day.

[zinc matrix]

i can not offer you jars of crocodile tears

[cursive crypt]

Who cares about nft?

[zinc matrix]

that one knock sound effect gets me every time

Why can't video game footsteps be like that

[tame grove]

that feeling when a problem you've been having for weeks and have been putting off fixing it because you can't figure out what's wrong..... turns out to be a single checkbox you didn't know you needed to check :T

[scenic glen]

Hi in not so large scale multplayer games and indie multiplayer games like plasmaphobia are they renting servers or have dedicated servers on their own?

[fathom wadi]

I would presume indies would mostly rent cloud servers that scale with requirements. Most AAA too but some might have internal setups. It's generally cheaper to rent on a usage basis though.

[scenic glen]

thanks, how about the free steam where we can connect in multiplayer? does that mean steam is the server?

[fathom wadi]

steam is just an online subsystem You still need to pay for servers for it

you can use a peer to peer setup though but that isn't suitable for everything

[scenic glen]

Ow I see. I will need to read up more about multiplayer stuff. Thank you

[foggy path]

Not really sure if cloud servers are cost effective for smaller devs, unless you know you will have at least some amount of success with your sales

afaik you need a fairly beefy server to run UE even with a dedicated server build

[fathom wadi]

yeah its a presumption on at least a minimum amount of regular players.

[scenic glen]

so steam and paying up its servers would be ideal for indies? compared to amazon, etc

[foggy path]

A listen server would probably be ideal because that means you don't need to pay anything

(listen server eg. one of the player's games acts as the server at same time as playing)

[scenic glen]

the downside of that I presume is that if the listen server gets cut off, it affects other players, so the game is over hehe

[foggy path]

Yeah

There are some methods you can use to perform host migration but it makes things more complicated

[quasi mantle]

Watch out, you're offending nitpicky #linux people 🙊

[faint dock]

sudo nitpick -sdx 239 -rt ---t file

[faint dock]

it also killed xserver

[quasi mantle]

Good grief, I'm 23 now...

Still a long way for me to really happy and less hardcore raging...

[deep copper]

why? did something happen?

[quasi mantle]

It's my birthday, but I don't really feel happy, yet.

[mossy nexus]

23? Should you be at school or something? 😄

[deep copper]

happy birthday! 🎂

[quasi mantle]

Nah, I didn't take uni

[deep copper]

i hope you have a really enjoyable year!

[deep copper]

yet, i assume you are waiting for something?

[quasi mantle]

Waiting for my time to be really happy and have less real life reasons for hardcore raging.
I think it's going to be a long, long wait.

[deep copper]

ah, did life give you another one of it's challenges recently?

[quasi mantle]

Yes, but it's not the first time either.
I had anger issues from family for a long time, and it would be really hard for me to move on from it, especially with the source being the closest one and no real way out.

[deep copper]

is your family giving you stress? or some form of pressure?

[quasi mantle]

Both.

[deep copper]

i would also be angry in that case

[quasi mantle]

Hence why I had lots of tendencies for being foul mouthed, putting curse words as "enhancers"

[deep copper]

sometimes things just don't get done without the enhancement, don't worry

you said happiness will take time, does that mean you have thought of a way to get away from this?

[quasi mantle]

Yes, I have thought a way.
And they say "money can't buy happiness", but I started to believe otherwise.
I have to "buy" my way to get away from them so that I have less reason for raging.

[deep copper]

financial issues have caused stress since like, forever? money can definitely help anyone a ton lol

[mossy nexus]

You will never ever reach that point. It's impossible. The only control you have is how you react to something. Choose to react in a chilled way with everything and you'll find peace.

[quasi mantle]

Except my family did not react that nicely, and it fucking affects me.

[verbal junco]

das some zen shiz right there

[quasi mantle]

Everything I do is like shit to them, if it doesn't align to what they say to me.

[deep copper]

some people just don't behave well, i had a few negetive people who would do the same, but i was a bit more fortunate as i could just cut them off, they weren't close to me

[quasi mantle]

Which is why I believe getting further away from them is my way out.

[mossy nexus]

Yarp

[deep copper]

however, what moa says is a bit right, it's too difficult and sets your happiness further away, staying with them would make you keep feeling toxic everyday if you don't feel positive at all anymore

[mossy nexus]

if you can't change them, and you find it hard to change yourself moving away from them will help a lot. let you focus on you and what you like without fear of upsetting them over something

[quasi mantle]

They sure won't have as much influence on me if I'm far away from their range.

[deep copper]

if you have thought this through, which you seem to have, try getting away

[mossy nexus]

I speak from experience here, I'm lucky that I have 20/20 hindsight 😄 I'm slightly more than twice your age, so have grown to understand what triggers me.

[deep copper]

that sounds like the best present you can get for birthday, if not this year, maybe the next

just don't be hasty and get yourself in an even worse situation, then again idk what you might consider worse that this

than*

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, I'm securing funds and looking for other jobs somewhere further from where they live.
I feel like the only thing stopping me from having better emotional control on myself is their influence on me.
I'm tired being guilt tripped to hell and beyond

[deep copper]

guilt tripped, that sounds quite harsh for a close one to do

and yeah, find some independence, freedom feels best for emotional support at times

[foggy path]

Understanding and analyzing what's causing you trouble is a good start, even if you might not be able to do much about it immediately

Makes it much easier to deal when you realize where it's coming from

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, and I had to take it for at least once a week.

[deep copper]

that can't be more true

not just analysis but you also have a way planned out, i would say you are handling yourself and your situation quite good so far

or so i believe

[quasi mantle]

At the very least, I have physical goal where I grow my hair longer without risk of getting scolded by them in person.
That'll be my indication.

[deep copper]

that's a decent goal for now, but tbh you can probably do anything once you move away

or do you plan to do it before moving away?

[quasi mantle]

I've been planning this for at least 2 years now.

[deep copper]

with this, I don't think staying for that long would be easy, again you probably would have got used to it though

[deep copper]

ah, okay, you are probably a lot closer to your goal then, and it's quite admirable you held onto it even after 2 years

[quasi mantle]

Well, the worst thing that can happen to me is getting them to trigger my anger issues and cussing out like hell, so I think I can survive the wave for some time.

And so long that I can still play video games, that's going to help give myself chance to cool down before getting insane.

[deep copper]

i have heard that before bursting into anger, holding for 3 seconds helps you calm down, not sure if it's true, have you taken any similar anger management things? then again, we are talking about years of holding it, you would probably have some way by now

ah, so video games are your cooler

is that why you joined the ue4 community?

[quasi mantle]

Well, it's more that my modding experience led me to game development, and eventually using UE4 and joined the community.

I've been playing games since I was a kid, back before all hell let loose.

[deep copper]

modeling huh, how long has it been since you dived into that? if you don't mind

[quasi mantle]

*modding
And I'm diving into it since I was 7 y.o.

[deep copper]

right haha, gesture typing is hard

so was this also before "hell let loose"?

[quasi mantle]

Yes.

[deep copper]

i see i see, i understand why you feel attached to games now

[quasi mantle]

Anyway, thanks for all the well wishes, I really appreciate it

[deep copper]

hope you can enjoy this day peacefully

[timber viper]

Happy birthday

[tribal cipher]

happy birthday, now your as old as me

anyways, anyone here work with eqs in ue5?

[timber viper]

I think you can get better help at #ue5-general

If its not UE5 specific thing I'd ask at #gameplay-ai , I don't think EQS modified between ue4 and 5

[tribal cipher]

yeah ive asked there as well

no answer so far

heres the pic btw

as you can see, i cant add it

[timber viper]

I answered at #gameplay-ai

lets talk there

[tribal cipher]

k

[verbal junco]

#rules #2

[mossy nexus]

Rule #0 we don't talk about the rule.. oh wait.. 😄

@verbal junco does your profile pic automagically adjust based on the quality of discussions in discord? 😄

Maybe upon joining the server, there should be a Q&A section where they have to get 100% right before being allowed to post something. Like "Which is the correct channel for asking about anything to do with textures, materials, lighting etc" or something along those lines for all the channels.

[verbal junco]

nah I'm just always sad

[mossy nexus]

Anyone getting less than 50% is automatically kicked from the server

and then get a flock of birds to shit on them

[verbal junco]

nobody would pass but equally it would increase the quality

so I am for this decision 🙂

[mossy nexus]

😄

[carmine frigate]

just downloaded that particle system simonschreibt posted in released

its really dope

[timber viper]

That would make this server very esoteric :D

[verbal junco]

perhaps people wouldn't come here to generate landscapes on tick though

so there's pros and cons

[mossy nexus]

Quixel have bought RD Textures. I've not heard of them before but looking at their stuff in the Megascan library, they have some nice textures.

[zinc matrix]

for those of you who started game dev out of passion, have you begun to hate it?

especially if it's a business now?

[last matrix]

no

[zinc matrix]

elaborate

fine, I'll shut up

I've caused enough ruckus anyway

you must be going for a graphically demanding game if you're using metahumans

[tulip orbit]

just use the faces, then make the bodies ps1 era

[mossy nexus]

Search for RDT

[zinc matrix]

or you could just use vroid

gnomes then?

[median wraith]

the profile image vs what you meet in person

[zinc matrix]

are you saying ponkkis isn't really a gnome?

[median wraith]

👀

[timber viper]

Here we go again

[last matrix]

no, i have not begun to hate it

[zinc matrix]

okay

we gneed more gnomes

[last matrix]

i have become even more passionate for game dev over the years

[zinc matrix]

okay

but yeah

gnomes

[verbal junco]

nothing more satisfying than a magic branch + corruption combo in slay the spire

[fathom wadi]

burritos that are fatter than my arm. Thats more satisfying.

[median wraith]

thats a gatito

[verbal junco]

admittedly burrito is very close to being the perfect food

[last matrix]

how long did it take

lol i meant to find that

haha

how did you know!?

you had it on speed dial

lol ah

checks out 😛

[verbal junco]

so... venezuela?

probably

I just took a random stab

is "boludo" a term of endearment in your country?

dammit

you're onto me 😅

but seeing as you have knowledge of that you must be close

doesn't help me figure out which country though

😅

nahuatl is closer to central latin america isn't it

I think Mexico would be a bit on the nose, so... Honduras?

welp I tried. mexico has the best food culture as well so big win

I rarely find a reason to go back to el país viejo

not a spanish speaking country 😅

it sometimes snows in april

and is based in europe

actually most european countries don't get this for some reason. okay it sometimes snows in may

although that's a bit of rare occasion

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

ironically the one country that doesn't have norse heritage 😅

fair enough

I should have been more clear

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

[last matrix]

basically, he's lying out of his ass

[verbal junco]

I'm not lmao

[last matrix]

i mean the reference

and points for doing it twice 😛

[verbal junco]

I'll take it

there's 4 countries, statistically a 25% chance

winner

I wanted to do a random fact if you didn't get it

I think we have more islands that the other norse countries

what was obvious?

oh wait was that sentence also a pikachu detective reference?!

ah

I don't know if it's that obvious

I could also have said that we had a whiskey war with canada

which is one of my favorite pieces of history

2

I believe

or maybe 4

it did

but people didn't visit it that often

like once every 3 years

but also we're technically neighbors

so, hello neighbor

😎

[rapid magnet]

@zinc matrix so I'm writing a stock timer helper class that broadcasts some events at each fix time interval in an hour (1 seconds, 1 minutes 1 second, 5 minutes 1 second, ...) to query stock data. Everything works but there's lots of duplicated code, just wondering if/how it can be done better

https://pastebin.com/TJkCDNWh

[verbal junco]

stonks?

[rapid magnet]

in C++, these can be templated with some enum

[rapid magnet]

stonks

[verbal junco]

noice

[faint dock]

have you heard of Cron our lord and saviour?

"just do it manually"

[verbal junco]

I should write my own stonks bot

[faint dock]

what year is it?

haven't touched linux in quite a while

[verbal junco]

linux seems like the kind of thing that makes you slowly lose your sanity

[faint dock]

it's actually quite orderly

though i never touched the UI of it

that's dark

cries in windows

[verbal junco]

well I hope you feel better now

[faint dock]

i recently had a couple of hours with blazor and webasm. that was actually nice

otoh linux just keeps on trucking

might not be the destination you envisaged

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-gif-20018917

[verbal junco]

I guess it's religion for people who work as IT tech

idk

I'm not a fan

[faint dock]

lizenzierte entwickler

[verbal junco]

entwickla

or I guess, oantwickla

[faint dock]

ey oida

[ocean parcel]

hi guys i'm bored ,what's up!!!!!

[verbal junco]

I personally haven't been bored since 2002

[ocean parcel]

Like what?

[verbal junco]

and today is even 22-2-2

a magical number

[ocean parcel]

YEAH DUDE I BEEN FREAKING OUT BOUT THAT ALL DAY I LOVE IT!!!!

Half an hour ago it was literally 22:22:22 22-2-2 for me.

[verbal junco]

it's the one day where you can decide

and where americans can be right in their date format

[unreal cedar]

yeah but it's not tuesday. Wait for the 22nd and it'll truly be 2sday

[verbal junco]

hmm true

[ocean parcel]

Yeah, I'm legit waiting for that.

Today is the second best day of my life.

In 20 days time it'll be the best.

[verbal junco]

I pity you

[night grove]

Oh snap! I missed it!

Oh wait, not quite yet for me

[ocean parcel]

If I could die in twenty days time I would be ecstatic! I would be honoured to have 22-2-22 as my death date.

2 is my favourite number.

so I will literally never live to experience a better date.

assuming i'm still not alive in 2222.

I've literally been resetting my clock to different time zones to experience 22:22:22 2-2-22 over and over again.

That last line was a joke.

[night grove]

2-22 falls on a Tuesday

It is too perfect

[verbal junco]

just in the US though

[night grove]

Is it just in the US?

[ocean parcel]

Probably Canada I bet too.

[verbal junco]

I'm pulling your leg

[quasi mantle]

I'm having my birthday because it's February 3rd in my time zone.

[verbal junco]

happy birthday

[tulip orbit]

!8ball Should I buy Dying Light?

[turbid spindle]

@tulip orbit, :8ball: Yes – definitely.

[quasi mantle]

!8ball Should I wait for Dying Light 2?

[turbid spindle]

@quasi mantle, :8ball: Don't count on it.

[ocean parcel]

Happy Birthday!!!! :)

[quasi mantle]

Waiting for sale, that is.

[idle zodiac]

FLASH BANG! LIGHT MODE!!!

[pearl compass]

cancer? This is how people get cancer.

[ocean parcel]

I like light mode

light mode is a pretty cool guy

he kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything.

[timber viper]

I hate you for seeing this at 2.48am

[tulip orbit]

I wanna play the first one before the second. And it'll be years before #2 drops to a low enough price that I can afford

[timber viper]

!8ball can I afford a tank destroyer?

[turbid spindle]

@timber viper, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[tulip orbit]

uh oh

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-14978199

[timber viper]

I love tank ❤️

[tulip orbit]

tank only likes you as a friend

[ocean parcel]

Oh call I love Five Nights At Freddy's.

[turbid spindle]

@ionic flame, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[ocean parcel]

did u play the noo one it's relly relly good

i was only joking anyway i don't think it actually is

I appreciate you being kind though. :)

[quasi mantle]

I don't like FNAF games tbh

Not to mention how broken Security Breach is

[zinc matrix]

u**ty be like

[ocean parcel]

i was only joking cause it looked like fnaf 😫

[ocean parcel]

what is that word?

i'm trying to work it out.

[quasi mantle]

||Unity||

[ocean parcel]

I thought it was made on UE4?

OH

I was looking at the wrong comment

Or didn't see who they were replying to I mean.

I have a bad taste in my mouth, I want to drink coke but it's late, 00:09.

Aw, I just realised the second best day of my life just ended and I missed it. :(

Oh well, at least I recorded both of the epic 22 second times that happened today. :)

[quasi mantle]

Well, it used to be.

[timber viper]

Its was gray though

[quasi mantle]

@ocean parcel
Also for context, Unity used to put dark mode behind paywall.

[ocean parcel]

For real!?

[quasi mantle]

For real

I mean, you had to pay up to remove "made with Unity" logo.

Unity still going with tiering system.

[zinc matrix]

Average "I need to remove the logo fan" vs "I'll put the UE4 logo in my game because I like it so much" enjoyer

[quasi mantle]

Contrast that to Unreal Engine, where using UE logo actually have to go through trademark licensing process, and it's not forced on the engine itself.

[timber viper]

Hopefully it wont be like Cyberpunk

[thick belfry]

Meanwhile, epic won't even let you use the unreal logo

Unless you ask

[zinc matrix]

Depends

Yeah

[thick belfry]

Still a funny difference

[zinc matrix]

They don't want their logo being on some rubbish game I guess

[thick belfry]

Oh missed this message lol

So you have to pay for unity and they take a cut?

For the higher tiers

I cared more about the design decisions than the bugs in 2042

Bugs you can fix

That game you cannot

[quasi mantle]

You have to pay for Pro tier and above, but they take no royalty.

[thick belfry]

Oh okay fair enough then

Yeah well its an okay business model with a free version

Better than adobe

[timber viper]

Watching Division 2's UI GDC, this is how they declare BlueprintCallable equivalent editor nodes.. disgusting

[quasi mantle]

They still is, per seat.

[thick belfry]

What am i looking at

[timber viper]

Now I'm curious about it

[quasi mantle]

Well, I personally still prefer Epic's business model of "we succeed only when you succeed", with royalty only shared after 1 million USD gross profit milestone

[thick belfry]

I agree

[timber viper]

First screenshot is a code to generate a function node in a game engine, Unreal Engine does this for you automatically but for that engine programmers write everything manually like in the image

[thick belfry]

100%

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, they used to be $3000 per quarter

[thick belfry]

Epic dont need that spare change anymore

[quasi mantle]

And to think that Epic raised the bar further

[timber viper]

%85 of the good things in the engine happened because of this thing

I was very young when Paragon released 🥲

[zinc matrix]

RIP UT4

RIP Paragon

But fortnite did a lot for UE

so thanks

[quasi mantle]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/517/691/6c8.gif

[timber viper]

UT4 gave us open source projectile prediction for multiplayer games 🥳

Oh it wasnt MIT right

[quasi mantle]

It wasn't GPL

[thick belfry]

Was paragon fun

I'm using the assets for my game

I liked overwatch

Was it similar?

[quasi mantle]

Paragon is basically MOBA

But the camera is third person

[thick belfry]

Seems like the assets would be pretty suited for a hero shooter too

Its so cool they released them for free

Insane value

Must be a couple million no

Altho there's no programming

No I dont

Makes sense

Egl?

Oh

I never got the hate

Cant say I like it

But the Internet gets so angry

Only disgraceful thing imo was shenmue

But they refunded atleast

They had to

I absolutely hate BRs

[quasi mantle]

PUBG security is out there with GTA Online lol

[thick belfry]

I pretty much am forced to play pubg because that's the only thing my colleagues play and I wanna socialise

Its a chore lol

Too human

Was the game

They stole code

And then sued epic

Lmao

[zinc matrix]

apple and epic is even weirder

[quasi mantle]

Bluehole

[thick belfry]

Had to destroy all copies

[zinc matrix]

Wasn't there some weird discussion about that banana character in fortnite?

[quasi mantle]

That's Silicon Knights fiasco

Basically Silicon Knights tried to sue Epic because of the docs, but then Epic caught SK red handed with breach of contract and stealing UE code

And that was early 2010s

[timber viper]

Did UE even have docs

[thick belfry]

They sued epic for bad documentation

[quasi mantle]

My bad, not because of the docs, but apparently

failure to "provide a working game engine", causing the Ontario-based game developer to "experience considerable losses."

[thick belfry]

Implying they tried to sabotage their competitors

[thick belfry]

No you remember correctly the documentation was part of the suit

I read up on this yesterday lol

[zinc matrix]

Ah yes

weird gimmicks

that pretend to be more complex than they are

[verbal junco]

do you hate that it exists? or that it is timed? or that you have to press a button to use it?

[tulip orbit]

that reminds me, I need to add qucktime events to my game 😉

[verbal junco]

okay so you would prefer if it wasn't there?

[timber viper]

Reading upon this more, looks like Epic was always the same lol. Working with their own IPs and prioritizing customers after it, not having docs.. 😄

[verbal junco]

udk was pretty terrible to work with ngl

kismet was terrible

[timber viper]

Kismet was their blueprint-like system but an ancient one right?

For designing things on level

[verbal junco]

to call it blueprint-like is giving too much credit

it was super basic

and yes it only existed for levels

[timber viper]

It looks like Ubisoft's system but a terrible one

[left granite]

is this horizon

[verbal junco]

ubisoft's system there might have been developed from UE2.4, which they started using as a base engine for their own projects

so yeah there's probably overlap

it's all terrible though

[timber viper]

UE2.4? Literally UE2?

[verbal junco]

yes

2.4 was unreal 2004 or so

still UE2 but slightly upgraded

[timber viper]

At least UE evolved better than Ubisoft

[verbal junco]

ubisoft's engines are painful to work with to say the least

almost as if they were designed to stifle creativity

the amount of extra clicks you have to do just to get the simplest things going

[timber viper]

I was complaining a lot for Unreal's problems in the past but over the time I learned it's actually most straightforward to use engine in the industry

I'm still jealous of some features of other engines but over the time UE even started to amaze me about how designer friendly it is

Compared to others*

[verbal junco]

I mean some engines I've worked with have had some things that are better than unreal. like a proper CSG suite

but programming wise there's no beating the UE4 standard

[timber viper]

CSG Suite?

[verbal junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_solid_geometry

[timber viper]

Ah

Yea I can understand why you liked them 😄

[verbal junco]

I've worked with engines where you could do per poly editing directly in engine

I do miss that

but then those engines suffered faults elsewhere

[timber viper]

It would be nice if UE had something like that too, like 'blender mode' for blockouts

[verbal junco]

yeah exactly

I suppose that is what nanite is

although I haven't touched it

so I can't say

[timber viper]

Isnt nanite just a static mesh feature

[verbal junco]

no idea

you may be right

I thought it was a system

[timber viper]

Didnt see any designer friendly feature something closer to this in UE5 yet 😦

Nanite is just.. nanite. Replaces the mesh drawing pipeline and allows gigantic amount of polys

[verbal junco]

there is an epic made plugin for this in UE4 already, but it's kind of ass

by contrast the blender pipeline tool by epic is decent so I'm just using that instead

[unreal cedar]

UE5 version is very much improved, but it's still very focused on traditional modeling workflows which kind of sucks since it's very "destructive".
The one exception being CubeGrid which is awesome but still not quite as good as BSP-based workflows.

[timber viper]

Ah yes, CubeGrid

[verbal junco]

I'll happily stick to blender for the time being

[eternal dragon]

For handling high poly meshes the modelling tools works wonders, it even got a remesh feature that retains the UV of your mesh.

It's pretty great for cleaning photogrammetry

[verbal junco]

I don't envy artists 🙂

[unreal cedar]

Right, the modeling tools are great for that kind of stuff but they still suck for blockouts aside from cubegrid.

The best parts of BSP workflows is how simple they are, that they're non-destructive (brushes can be transformed with each other however you want but can be separated later), and you don't have to think too much about technical details like normals.
The modeling tools have exactly none of that.

Valve managed to keep those workflows despite getting rid of BSP entirely in source 2. It just isn't a priority for Epic.

[verbal junco]

yes because they expect blockouts to be done with terrain and some modular kits

[unreal cedar]

Which sucks for anyone who wants to quickly block out a level without an artist involved.

[verbal junco]

which I loathe beyond all

[eternal dragon]

Yeah, Source is the de-facto way of doing blockouts

[verbal junco]

but tbh ideally I'd just want an edge extrusion based workflow I could use directly in editor

[unreal cedar]

You can do that much at least with the modeling tools

or just use cubegrid

or both because you can

[verbal junco]

does it have stuff like bridging edges and connecting edges?

merging vertices?

[unreal cedar]

That stuff is there but the usability changes commit-to-commit on 5.0

iirc there's a severe lack of grid and edge snapping in some tools

[verbal junco]

I'll stick with blender then 😔

[deep glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T47wb-tMrUw
this tool might be neat

[unreal cedar]

also, give us hotspot materials as a native feature ;_;
I know there's a mesh tools plugin on the marketplace that has it but it's such a nice workflow that it should really be something natively supported...

[last matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/send-help-help-help-me-help-me-im-poor-bad-situation-gif-15097358

[maiden knoll]

and of course I find the general chat now

GJ at reading me

[last matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/bananas-the-jungle-book-gif-13022377

[maiden knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/baloo-jungle-book-backscratch-gif-10385357

[zinc matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTqf8Rc0RNU

woah is that a modified client

😳 You're going to discord prison

[thin cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber-keep-out-gif-16413444

[quasi mantle]

This is like one of the reason why I'm tempted to move to Slack for internal dev comm

[zinc matrix]

You're meant to trust these people?

[quasi mantle]

I had paranoid feeling someone would do that kind of modded discord client to my development server and spoil channels with internal notes and convos

At the same time I don't like Slack's payments being more limited than piggy backing off of boost or community server benefits

Fuck, now I have to think to restructure my development discord server.

I'm still going to be paranoid as fuck.
I don't want internal notes or category names to be taken as leaks

[timber viper]

Discord itself is not a platform you should trust either

You might already heard some scandals happened in the past about privacy

[quasi mantle]

Then same can be said with Slack, Telegram,

Fricking hate Slack pricing

[timber viper]

Telegram was nice once, not using for two years since it blew up. But I guess they still care for privacy after all?

Wasnt it some other app

Telegram is not open source

Didnt know telegram was also open source

[quasi mantle]

Fuck it
I'm going to backup internal discord convo and notes, and move them somewhere else.

I'll make my own internal IRC client and hosting if it goes down to this

[timber viper]

Though, after it blew up they couldn't resist pressure coming from Russian government and they collaborated on some issues we don't know about. But still it's one of the most secure platforms around the web, but probably not the best one

Thats desktop client I guess?

[quasi mantle]

I assume the best one would be talking in person, complete disconnect from cloud services.

Screw COVID and fully remote indie workflow, right

[timber viper]

Lmao, not sure what makes you that paranoid about privacy (even while you are right about it) but I guess you will be safe if you stick with services that has origins in Switzerland, New Zealand or Canada

Also use ProtonMail if you aren't yet

[timber viper]

Mega.NZ, ProtonMail, and Sync are three companies I trust most

They don't have to fight with their governments about user privacy and their laws protect them from their and other goverments

[zinc matrix]

said every youtube sponsor

[timber viper]

😄

[quasi mantle]

Seem to be email service, which could be more cumbersome than more realtime chat like IRC

[timber viper]

For IRC I don't know (not saying not exists) any platform, those were to store data actually

[thin cradle]

All of this talk is too advanced for my unga bunga brain ._.

[timber viper]

Since you told you are going to backup some stuff

[quasi mantle]

For now I'm going to settle for private discord server, completely separate from the community server.

I just don't want for member of community use modded discord client and potentially reveal private channels.

Team member only server seem to be my better option, and they don't even have to join the community server.

At least I can scramble invite links for new members and invalidate it within few hours.

[bronze axle]

If you're worried about people using modified clients to spy on your team, it's not possible.

You can see private channel names and role requirements, but not messages.

If you're still worried, your best bet is to avoid putting sensitive info in channel and role names.

[tulip orbit]

so, dont name my private channels the same as my email password?

[last matrix]

use social, its easier to remember

[left granite]

people who are bad at english can set good passwords

[last matrix]

get tired of people who ask a question like "can unreal do this" and after i tell them it does they follow up with "well im doing something different and its not working"

[last matrix]

thats not quite it 😛 but that is in the same bucket 😄

its like i ask a question anyone can answer, it gets an answer, gotcha! now i will ask my real question

maybe that's why i dont code ....

yeah, its more of a process to understand them then to solve the actual problem

and its usually to a point where they either dont know what they're doing or that i dont know how to help them when i finally figure out wth is being asked

[zinc matrix]

so there are hidden channels on unreal slackers where people help each other?

[last matrix]

not that ive found

[zinc matrix]

uhum, you looks like the keeper of #help-graphics

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dance-music-gif-8783134

what you are listening to lately?

i am listening for the first time Portishead

kekeke

[deep copper]

ugh, that looks really laggy

idk if it is, but it has that, feeling that it will lag

[zinc matrix]

they are very low poly

600 megabytes of ram being consumed on Blender

i think this value lows when go to Unreal Engine

[deep copper]

that's fairly decent, I had blender getting all laggy once, when i turned on edge length i wonder if that was more high poly than i thought

since then i always make sure, anything in focus is extremely low poly as possible

[last matrix]

only one way to find out 😈

[deep copper]

do you mean... taking this as is in ue4?

[zinc matrix]

usually, right?

my test with terrain and various instances shew lower memory consumption

even in Godot compared to Blender

[deep copper]

ue4 is rather , big

so yeah

[last matrix]

you could test by making a whole bunch of your sk in unreal that play an animation

might be good to use more than just one duplicate model as well

[deep copper]

i am not even the one doing it but i am scared

i had ue4 crash on me way too many times before

[zinc matrix]

i will not be using all animations once

[deep copper]

it was fairly stable recently though

[zinc matrix]

340 books ~ opening at the same time with different skeletons were fine

but those had 3 bones each

and unique texture too

[deep copper]

i wonder if one 1000 bone animation is worse than 1000 one bone animations

or 2-3 but i am too lazy to calculate how much that would be

[zinc matrix]

by the way

once i imported a sofa into Blender to decimate and see if i could cut some time by using free assets and fit them into my art style

[last matrix]

cool good test

[zinc matrix]

it was so lag

[last matrix]

blender no have decimation?

[zinc matrix]

i think that bit had more triangules that i will create in a year

[zinc matrix]

yes, it does but just do not work the way i expect

even decimating to closest to the lowest value, there is a bunch of triangules

[last matrix]

decimate do make tris

maybe a remesh?

[zinc matrix]

and the work to make it simpler, worth creating a original one

[last matrix]

for a sofa true

[deep copper]

there are 2 -3 types of decimate in it, for me it has been rather decent because i recall importing an unnecessary high res toilet paper, it got reduced to 100 poly, and looked decent

[zinc matrix]

but actually i will use Epic megascan of vegetation to some stuff of mine

[last matrix]

consider also performing several decimations to bring it down, instead of just one

[deep copper]

several? is that better?

[zinc matrix]

the result was almost the same than a strong one

[last matrix]

ah

bummer

[zinc matrix]

at some point it just deforms too much

[last matrix]

i find it better, take something thats 100k and chunk it down to 20k then start to reduce percentage more and more as it gets less and less

[last matrix]

yeah it wont be perfect, that's where a remesher would be better

[deep copper]

for downloaded models, usually a 25% reduction in poly is okay, but i have found 75% reduction to also be passable in some cases

[last matrix]

yeah

lots of hp stuff out there

horrible for games XD

[deep copper]

i will definitely try that next time, thanks <3

[zinc matrix]

hm