i have deep regrets about downloading the zip archive
#lounge
quasi mantle
i have deep regrets about downloading the zip archive
Yeah dont
GitHub's ZIP packer is so broken
faint dock
nah it's more about the changes
quasi mantle
Particularly with huge repos
fallow finch
its not zipping well
fallow finch
i can't wait to finish Bridge builder game
joke it will never finish
carmine frigate
Particularly with huge repos
at some point i might do some of that render stuff again, but keepin a source updated is so much work
and drive size
torpid star
i have deep regrets about downloading the zip archive
git init + setting up the remotes, checking out the right branch on top should give u a delta u can commit
u can use git add -p to selectively stage as well
fallow finch
Nothing
torpid star
yeah, If only there was some indication on what we should look at
fallow finch
you found it then
cursive crypt
90s flashback
faint dock
`git init` + setting up the remotes, checking out the right branch on top should...
I thought about that, but haven't done it yet. Need to free some space because I'd want to backup first in case I mess it up
median wraith
someone used a decent tool to take thumbnail screenshots ?
cursive crypt
PrntScr
last matrix
Set Bool Parameter?
dim ruin
the rendering in The Matrix: Awakens looks pretty sweet
this is neat to see.
I wonder just how much of an improvement AI performance is
median wraith
Epic said it renders at 24fps per second
dim ruin
lol
median wraith
and 30 on sandbox mode
dim ruin
24fps is film rate I think right?
dim ruin
quick google-fu says 24 fps still
might be more and I'm just not seeing it in the first page of results
broken sigil
At what resolution?
dim ruin
not sure. just says things are filmed at 24 fps from the pre-digital days when it used less film
median wraith
bet 4k? @broken sigil
dim ruin
thats just cinematic as well. sports, news, etc use higher fps
median wraith
they listed that not a single light of source were used
aside of sky and directional
dim ruin
oh wow. all just realtime gi
median wraith
using emissive
broken sigil
Lumen looks much better it that demo
Wonder if there are any improvements to it that aren't public yet
median wraith
well if you doble check it
there are a lot of leaks
also epicis using super sampling and delayed framed render
to hidde things
dim ruin
I really wish they'd give their netcode some love for higher CCU. Like, way higher.
I know its much more than just the netcode but doing more out of the box for that would be amazing
median wraith
Man this new Watch Dogs 1.5 looks nice
do america and other countries have some main representation organism for videogames?
dim ruin
like a ratings thing you mean?
or you mean like a "American Video Game Association" type thing?
median wraith
that second one
dim ruin
ah. no I don't think so.
We probably have like 20 organizations that claim various parts of the industry lol
median wraith
here we got a main one paid by public money
dim ruin
Honestly, America slept on the gaming industry so bad that the general public only realized games make more money than any other entertainment industry like 5 years ago
seriously
fortnite blew the lid off that actually. before that, hardly anyone not associated with the industry paid attention
when a single game started pulling in $2.4B a month I guess it became hard to not notice lol
I know right lol
thick belfry
fortnite blew the lid off that actually. before that, hardly anyone not associat...
I mean GTA V was the most revenue generating entertainment product within 24 hours I believe
https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/gta-5-now-profitable-entertainment-product-ever-3448487#:~:text=Rockstar Games'%20Grand%20Theft%20Auto,revenue%20since%20its%20initial%20release.
"According to a new report by MarketWatch, GTA 5 has now sold over 90 million copies and generated over $6 billion in revenue since its initial release.
At the time of writing, GTA 5 is the “most financially successful media title of all time”. This includes games, films and presumably books and music as well.
"
dim ruin
I mean GTA V was the most revenue generating entertainment product within 24 hou...
GTAV has been a huge earner too. I'd expect that GTAV to have made more than $6B though because Fortnite has made way more than $6B total
timber viper
Didn't GTAV made more than 6B$ already in the first year
dim ruin
am I missing cpp fun?
grim folio
I'm at work rn on break and there's 2 costumers near me that are talking about PS4 dev kits
timber viper
And you're an xbox fan
last matrix
snicker but avoid eye contact
grim folio
They look like they are related to Chris chan
grim folio
And you're an xbox fan
Not really i just put that name because I love the 360
thick belfry
It's called 360 cause when you look at it you turn 360 degrees
grim folio
One of my 360s ate my Minecraft disc D:
grim folio
thick belfry
It's be a neat collectors item
grim folio
I'm surrounded by gringos
dim ruin
I'm surrounded by gringos
woah now. easy with that shit
grim folio
Easy with what
dim ruin
the racial slurs
grim folio
That ain't a slur
dim ruin
yeah its a compliment...
grim folio
Its just a thing us latinos say
last matrix
usually the first word when i wake up
dim ruin
Its just a thing us latinos say
yeah, about white people
thick belfry
yeah, about white people
Or foreigners
grim folio
That sounds racist
thick belfry
Depending on what region
thick belfry
In Brazil it just means foreigner
last matrix
unfortunately its been the reoccurring mode of oppression since the Myceneans
grim folio
And Spanish
Are you Puerto Rican
I sometimes feel sorry for the chairs at my Wendy's because they gotta hold people fat as shit
No it's a colony from Spain their country is just US territory
thick belfry
I sometimes feel sorry for the chairs at my Wendy's because they gotta hold peop...
You study Portuguese and philosophy?
dim ruin
edgy
last matrix
just like wikipedia.... it started with ps4 and xbox, here we are at philosophy
timber viper
This shit ain't the 1400s
Like people suddenly stopped studying philosophy after 1400s 😄
grim folio
@thick belfry can you give me a Portuguese sentence i wanna see how similar it is to Spanish
grim folio
Like people suddenly stopped studying philosophy after 1400s 😄
Well philosophy kinda died a bit with psychology becoming a thing
dim ruin
<@610535574708813902> can you give me a Portuguese sentence i wanna see how simi...
donde esta prostitutadors?
timber viper
Psychology is a mix of biology and philosophy though
last matrix
"psychology is dead" - Nietzsche
thick belfry
Well philosophy kinda died a bit with psychology becoming a thing
Montesquieu or John locke?
timber viper
lol
grim folio
donde esta prostitutadors?
THATS SPANISH
dim ruin
THATS SPANISH
ah, my b. works both places though 😂
grim folio
Psychology is a mix of biology and philosophy though
No psychiatry is a mix of biology
last matrix
psychiatry is a mix of chemistry actually
grim folio
Yes it's what started psychology
timber viper
Freud: "hey lets remove philosophy and study human behaviors and call it psychology!"
grim folio
Yeah
thick belfry
Yes it's what started psychology
In the same way that the wheel started the automotive business
grim folio
Freud was true on Alot of stuff and people hated him for being a drug addict
last matrix
I think people hate him for being a sexist actually
grim folio
I'm in highschool and they don't give us a psychology class
dim ruin
alright well shit. So how do I say prostitute in spanish?
thick belfry
Let's keep it friendly bros
grim folio
We had one last year the 1st semester but fired the teacher because they couldn't afford him
timber viper
We had one last year the 1st semester but fired the teacher because they couldn'...
What about philosophy
It should be a fundamental class
last matrix
that'll happen with philosophy teachers, they keep redefining monetary worth
grim folio
What about philosophy
We don't have that class this ain't college
dim ruin
is that for both masculine and feminine forms?
last matrix
e isn't good enough!
Latinx dammit
i believe approve is latin, so thats fine
unfortunately you're using logic... a key problem of language
find solace in that all language is contradictory
median wraith
hey whats goin on here
dim ruin
whats going on in cpp? looks like a couple noobs to the community ripping on eachother
unless I didn't scroll up enough
full disclosure: I didn't scroll up at all :p
oh ahah
median wraith
Also Good Saturday Tank @ionic flame
median wraith
the god of BPs don't know how these nodes are made?
what kind of god iz then
isn't physx still there??
dim ruin
speaking of physics engines...
I stumbled onto the newest version of bepu physics and while some claim it to be the fastest cpu-bound physics engine, I can't find a single damn benchmark anywhere
median wraith
But you know about it now
What happened with Bullet?
so is a dodged bullet then
dim ruin
physx in ue4 would have been sexier if they didn't just wrap one swiss army knife joint
like, they wrapped a dof6 joint and then made it emulate every other joint lol
of course its gonna shit the bed
ornate kraken
never doubted that 😄
median wraith
bavk in the days by 2013 were the top tier physics engine
dim ruin
speaking of Unity. Did you see the big news today about DOTS?
yessir. finally public talk about an official release timeline and new experimental roadmaps
ornate kraken
nah, its almost 2am, imma get some sleep, but I recall Jesus having some free time atm
median wraith
yeah now will be replaced by lines
dim ruin
as long as DOTS ends up with a nice tool suite for actually using it, I 100% feel it'll be a real contender to UE4 for big games
median wraith
what is odin?
dim ruin
the render pipeline is meh but the performance is oh my fucking gawd
UE5 performance-wise still won't touch dots outside of rendering of source
median wraith
still feel bad for crytek
timber viper
Wasn't it "Bolt"?
median wraith
epic should give them a devgrant
timber viper
Ah
timber viper
epic should give them a devgrant
🤭
dim ruin
and Unity kind of made sure UE{x} won't touch them on performance wit their super-douchey utility patent application on how DOTS works lol
oh Odin is awesome
timber viper
Did unity introduce a new replication system yet?
dim ruin
I had bought Odin full price last year and then like a month later it was in a humble bundle 
median wraith
Still waiting the release of Godot by the way
dim ruin
yeah they have the new netcode but really you'll be better off with a third party thing prolly
timber viper
Is it fully released?
dim ruin
timber viper
Weird
dim ruin
Is it fully released?
no. 1.0 will be 2023.
0.5+ first quarter of 2022
they basically stepped back to plan a clearer path for DOTS. It required a much more fundamental shift than they had originally thought by the looks of it
?
burst is a custom AOT
median wraith
https://forum.unity.com/threads/dots-development-status-and-next-milestones-dece...
It's funny the dots thread have this image
dim ruin
lol yes sorry
grim folio
Fuck neutral this shit aint chemistry
dim ruin
its more than just the IL though, its optimized threading and work loads
a safety system during development
grim folio
Latinx dammit
Fuck latinx i fucking hate that term TikTok is fucking stupid for inventing that
dim ruin
and entirely geared towards optimal CPU cache utilization
last matrix
Fuck latinx i fucking hate that term TikTok is fucking stupid for inventing that
its all good, we've moved on
dim ruin
Fuck latinx i fucking hate that term TikTok is fucking stupid for inventing that
You're just full of love aren't you
🤨 you trollin bra
median wraith
wait hows relatedTikTok there
last matrix
wait hows relatedTikTok there
an earlier convo, dont worry about it
timber viper
Why did you left Unity and started to Unreal at the first place?
dim ruin
well, there's performance benches and demos from the community showing what it really can do...
hit me up when UE4 or 5 or x gets over 1000 CCU in any form
grim folio
You're just full of love aren't you
Nah
timber viper
Epic announced the royalty change to $1M
That means you were working on a project that you're intended to ship? 😄
grim folio
https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238
I had a sarcasm before
dim ruin
liberal use of the term "mmo" though. You will never see anything in UE4 with 500 CCU or more without a middleware that guts half the engine
ever
grim folio
I thought ue4 gets a 3% cut if your game makes 3000 dollars
median wraith
I thought ue4 gets a 3% cut if your game makes 3000 dollars
no anymore
timber viper
liberal use of the term "mmo" though. You will never see anything in UE4 with 50...
I'm not sure but I might be knowing a Turkish company who achieved more than 500 CCU without a middleware
dim ruin
DOTS is still in development and already shows it can do it without breaking a sweat
just the tooling sucks asscrack right now lol
median wraith
If you need to develop a MMO you should use dedicated engines for such purpose, lets say Godot
dim ruin
If you need to develop a MMO you should use dedicated engines for such purpose, ...
I'm not that familiar with godot but 100% without a doubt you'll never see high CCU per instance in UE4
which sucks because UE4 is an amazing engine. but its heavy as hell
median wraith
how turns you started talking a dead language in here?
dim ruin
are you assuming that because a game is made in Unity, it sucks? lol
median wraith
I'm not that familiar with godot but 100% without a doubt you'll never see high ...
was sarcasm don't thing you can even get an 20players stable game
dim ruin
and the truth is, the reason its possible in Unity is because they don't hold your hand on every thing. To get that kind of performance you can't use a cookie cutter.
fair enough. what features are missing?
obviously not counting DOTS since it's still under pre-release development
dim ruin
a "character controller" is gameplay mechanics. mechanim's usability is actually quite a bit nicer than UE4's animbp
spaghetti graphcs are fun to look at but not practical
dim ruin
yeah it sounds like its been a while since you played with things in Unity. There's tons of debugging/inspection tools for DOTS, just the actual tools for authoring suck balls right now lol
It won't work that way in ue4
People have tried
It's a perf improvement but there's too much of the engine that gets in the way and fucks with cpu cache usage
I'm strictly just speaking in regards to big MMOs with high ccu
grim folio
Why tf did they make it hard to have Android support in ue4
dim ruin
well considering the "mmo" genre has been kind of crap for a while now... it'll be nice to have more high ccu games
grim folio
MMO deeznuts
dim ruin
developers don't care which engine we use. we're whores. we'll go wherever we have to
its seems you're problem is specifically with Unity
I get it. the name is boring
timber viper
I never wrote any other programming language other than C++ in my life, not even Python
I'm trying to avoid feeling like Lorash
I will try Ada and MATLAB one day
But I can't get used to non C-like syntax languages
ML in JavaScript (dies)
dim ruin
I wouldn't be surprised if Unity was finally up to .NET 6 by the time DOTS 1.0 is released
if so, that'd be a sweet bonus
it was more that it jumped on Java's coat tails for a name people would fanboy over due to java's popularity at the time
lua was also considered for browsers at the time but javascript won the name popularity contest
what is it that you don't like? The whole typeless thing?
celest musk
java is actually not bad
dim ruin
I always said I didn't like Java but the truth is that I just liked .NET more lol
They're quite similar.
Or were
celest musk
the only problem with java is, that it only has one purpose, and that is minecraft
celest musk
modded minecraft > everything else
dim ruin
I could never get into minecraft. I wanted to like it
thick belfry
True
But I dont know if I would make it my only screenshot
If I made a fiverr page
dim ruin
modded minecraft > everything else
have you ever checked out wurm online? Its actually what Notch was co-creating when he left to create minecraft. Wurm Online is like if minecraft was a realistic take on the sandbox concept
celest musk
nope, haven't
dim ruin
minecraft was his casual friendly version of wurm
celest musk
but i like the non realistic part of minecraft
thick belfry
Looks pretty cool
rare sparrow
Is that image supposed to be an example of a "fixed" blueprint? 
regal pecan
But did you see it when it was broken
left granite
tbh that looks like a waterfall
slow imp
too much salt
You gotta salt the water
willow chasm
does anyone know what settings can cause the end of all of my audio to be clipped by discord? I thought I turned all of the extra stuff off after my new install
cursive crypt
end of all of my audio to be clipped by discord
What? 🤔
fathom wadi
its obviously religious audio as its been circumcised.
median wraith
Wait Epic don't list the VAT anymore ?
rare sparrow
The entire open world project with all of its assets will be distributed to Unreal Engine 5 users to experiment with as they wish.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-the-matrix-ue5-demo-is-incredible
cursive crypt
Kinda haven't doubt that they will share it 🙂
median wraith
do someone knows who is the european support dude from Epic ?
cursive crypt
do someone knows who is the european support dude from Epic ?
Not me 🤔
quasi mantle
Kinda haven't doubt that they will share it 🙂
I think they say the same with that Star Wars lift project, but nope
Just in Aussie?
zinc matrix
98% of readers don't give
dunno considering the amount of people that visit the site
2% that give isn't terrible I guess?
quasi mantle
Internet Archive does the same thing, on everyone
It's weird that Wikipedia's only show on Australia. Maybe specific to the australian branch servers?
zinc matrix
lmao
quasi mantle
Still exclusive to Omniverse?
Wait, nevermind
I thought you're talking about PhysX 5.1
I think NVIDIA stopped open sourcing PhysX after PhysX 4.x, and the 5.x version is basically exclusive to their omniverse thing
fluid bloom
that graph belongs into a dumpster 😄
data visualization 101: have legends on the image
wait what
really? 😄
if we're talking seriously the reason why the legends have to be embedded into the image (along with data source url) is exactly because people share the image without any additional data/info... usually 😄
/funfact
anyway, it's still physx in 5.1? 😐
I've wondered for a while if epic underestimated the work that needs to be put into a physics engine 😄
pearl elk
black is how much debt they have 😛
red is how much they owe to the bank
and green is their donations
5.1 is so last year, we're on 5.22 this year
cursive crypt
Sound setup ofc. 7.2 is even better.
quasi mantle
Just go all out with concert speakers lmao
cursive crypt
median wraith
there is no curved line
quasi mantle
New optical illusion?
cursive crypt
there is no curved line
Put your glasses on, please
misty bramble
any one using maya?
cursive crypt
Nah, she runaway before we reach that point.
unborn lotus
any one using maya?
yes...sadly
misty bramble
yes...sadly
do you know if there is a fast way to connect all the vertex that are near, or should i do it manually??
torpid star
Do the people of lounge enjoy Daft Punk and memes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2U50K13-Hg
misty bramble
ahaha
cursive crypt
Do the people of lounge enjoy Daft Punk and memes? https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Aww... daft punk, yeah 🏍️
median wraith
There is plural for Plaid ? Plaids ?
deep glen
all those pants are plaid
quasi mantle
Just heard about AngelScript, is it worth putting it into UE4 for mod support? It's a compiled script, and Hazelight's implementation doesn't seem to support JIT compiling.
deep glen
this one shirt is also plaid
quasi mantle
At the same time I'm kinda conflicted with Lua's way of doing things and its syntaxes
median wraith
And how you say when you have a collection of Plaid/s
deep glen
I have a collection of plaid shirts/pants/garments
oh, well fook me and my english knowledge
plaids is apparently a thing
"She likes to wear plaids."
spice viper
pearl elk
surely the machines that created the matrix would use the metric system 😛
quasi mantle
surely the machines that created the matrix would use the metric system 😛
Colour me surprised if imperial measurement were unironically used in a legitimate scientific research (not in quack white papers)
carmine frigate
soft night
quasi mantle
https://tenor.com/view/nooooo-no-nooo-noooo-power-gif-11037395
If Koyaanisqatsi is an animated feature
carmine frigate
no clue what that means 😛
quasi mantle
Basically an obscure silent movie about concrete jungle. The best known thing was indirect reference from GTA IV lol
torpid star
and that banger of a soundtrack by Philip Glass, who's a plumber in his free time FYI
median wraith
Man I love when you export or migrate something between UE4 projects
all the textures lost their properties
quasi mantle
all the textures lost their properties
So it seems like it was possible to block Discord reactions from certain people, any ideas how?
median wraith
wait what
carmine frigate
So it seems like it was possible to block Discord reactions from certain people,...
alt f4
quasi mantle
wait what
Tried adding reaction to Deathrey's post, seem to be blocked. Doesn't seem he blocked me outright, so how
And it seem to be happening to me specifically
median wraith
no idea man
quasi mantle
Ah, guess he really blocked me.
Though it seem that from my perspective the profile view is fine 🤔
Gah, I should have another Discord account to test this.
quasi mantle
Imagine debugging for three hours finding out why the shader wasn't working, just to found out you forgot to uncomment part of your USF code
It's not putting out errors because it was an additive pass, but I should've checked it earlier...
cursive crypt
And it seem to be happening to me specifically
You talk too much.
Its his way of collapsing convos and you can ask him about it. But yeah, you are blocked.
Tbf, I started to understand why mr. Skull does that.
quasi mantle
You talk too much.
Guess I'm being too chitty chatty but oh well.
I cannot change that.
I know some people are also having rule to block on any anime profile picture bearers, but I think it's too far fetched in a more professional capacity.
🙊
torpid star
Guess I'm being too chitty chatty but oh well.
I try to go by be around people who want to be around you mantra
don't be around people who don't want to be around you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quasi mantle
I try to go by `be around people who want to be around you` mantra
Copy that.
cursive crypt
Neo is everywhere.
dim ruin
I know some people are also having rule to block on any anime profile picture be...
people are blocking others just for having anime profiles?
thats brutal
quasi mantle
people are blocking others just for having anime profiles?
Oh yes, they did. At least in less professional spaces and/or social medias like Facebook or Twitter.
It was kind of a meme.
dim ruin
both those platforms are cesspools anyway. Thats funny though
quasi mantle
I also finally finished dealing with code shaders. Finally working. My dumb commenting was the last step to finish line lol
Nice 🧊
Wrong emoji, should've used ice cube
tulip orbit
dense storm
mossy nexus
Twitter
quasi mantle
Reminds me of that one convo lol
quasi mantle
https://twitter.com/kiaran_ritchie/status/1469764045964152832
hnggggghhhhh
If only backporting UE5 plugin is simpler...
Well, yes, but runtime adjusting was not an easy task, to say the least.
And hard retargetting (Duplicate Anim Assets and Retarget) can make the project messy real quick
thick belfry
Just finished the Udemy course I was following to get acquainted UE, and now I just dont know what to do next lol. What kind of games did you guys make when starting out?
quasi mantle
Just finished the Udemy course I was following to get acquainted UE, and now I j...
MMORPG
As big as Final Fantasy XIV
Just kidding.
I think my first ever "stopped" UE4 project was basically Death Stranding clone. aka walking sim
mossy nexus
MMORPG-in space but instead of air we breath flowers.
A top down 3D maze game, where you are on a pogo stick.
Damn .. if that wouldn't sell no matter how bad it was.... what will? 😄 😄
On a pogo stick?
sweet
I wonder what kind of game you could legitimately have a pogo stick as DLC... hmmm
1970's London Punk scene!
Different punk bands battling it off on pogo sticks.
quasi mantle
I wonder what kind of game you could legitimately have a pogo stick as DLC... hm...
Happy Wheels?
mossy nexus
Plot twist, there is a wheel at the bottom of the pogo stick!
quasi mantle
Now I can take a break for Sunday. All it's left is maybe just tweaking some values around for the flares.
last matrix
currently working on unicycle br
mossy nexus
Who ever made that has my deepest respect.
That video reminds of an old C64 game Hot Air Balloon. Or something. Anyway you were as the name implies a hot air balloon, with the basket swinging about. Touch anything and pop. Some gaps had to be pixel perfect. Ahh.. Those were the days, when games really hated you.
Ah, Crazy Balloon! https://youtu.be/lYBiYy8BK-w
last matrix
aww he tuckered himself out
mossy nexus
Ah.
thick belfry
MMORPG
Yeah I am actually making an MMORPG but with some cool FPS and racing game elements, as well as a bunch of RTS minigames. Doing it together with my friend from school. We only have the story so far but its gonna be awesome
Anyone wanna join our studio? Unpaid and Uncredited tho
scenic salmon
Uncredited lol
quasi mantle
Anyone wanna join our studio? Unpaid and Uncredited tho
Revenue share with 100% minus ninety nine percent warranty ;)
thick belfry
On a more serious note, I decided on some kind of hide and seek minigame for my first own project
quasi mantle
Speaking of game idea
zinc matrix
Hello everyone
pearl elk
Uncharted 4s chase scene is better than Epics Matrix demo, fite me 😛
original Matrix wasnt filmed in the US but maybe this new movie is very NYC like
One thing that confuses me too, if youre not breathing air in the matrix how come you have to reload your gun. I think I prefer Ultraviolets toys
9.5 for technology, 4.5 for gameplay, overall B+.. no S 😛
timber viper
I reaaally wonder if this is Niagara or skeletal mesh rendering itself
last matrix
ever notice how trinity starts to look different from far away?
left granite
I reaaally wonder if this is Niagara or skeletal mesh rendering itself
skeletal mesh render with nanite maybe
zinc matrix
oh circuits
indie game development is the worst hole i could let myself in
the whole thing is a big nightmare
i think if no stop working 18h per day 7 days a week
still there is 7 lifetimes to complete it
plucky pagoda
reduce scope and simplify
signal citrus
9.5 for technology, 4.5 for gameplay, overall B+.. no S 😛
I think it’s great but also I really kinda wish it didn’t feel shallow. Like as a tech demo of something you’d need world partition for: okay. But if you fill all those procedural generated buildings some kind of 2D partitioned world is not gon do well.
pearl elk
I think it’s great but also I really kinda wish it didn’t feel shallow. Like as ...
Yeah Im at two minds as well, I think Id be happier if it were a more complete experience not just a tech demo. I think it works well in that regard but theres still alot of cinematic, a larger game experience is the tricky part of game dev and Epic still havent really shown how the tools make that sort of scope easier. Im sure theres big money in this tech demo, the type of money very few of us UE4 or 5 devs have to throw around as a showcase
last matrix
if history is a teacher, this is the typical trend of progression as market demand drives the concept forward
pearl elk
Thing of it is the types of companies who do this level of detailed characters etc could already do it without UE5 and for the rest of us we cant afford to hire Keanu Reeves
last matrix
well, it should be recognized that most who are the target audience are not developers
id say as far as most ue4 developers are not the target audience, just a happy coincidence as we are already sold on the engine
pearl elk
crypto investors are clearly the market
last matrix
crypto be like fire
pearl elk
I guess it does its job, it markets Unreal Engine and Matrix to everyone
last matrix
according to the capitalist model, its all that matters
pearl elk
I was just waiting for the robo recall robots to pop up in the matrix
Im all for making better looking things cheaper but Im not seeing the cost savings benefits because of the upsell to photorealism
last matrix
imo, the advent of computer graphics have pushed for the real
Matrix is an appropriate subject matter since it plays with the topic of what is and is not real - its a statement about the tech
pearl elk
yeah but isnt that topic overdone in the modern age of camera filters
last matrix
plus Keanu is big right now, he also has to recoup the damage done to his credibility from cyberpunk
i agree wholeheartedly, i'd prefer something fresh and viable
pearl elk
I think Mirrors Edge Catylyst was a more interesting take, I think people are forgetting The Matrix is pretty old by speculative fiction standards
what made it work for me was the film noir vibe of the original
portable phones had been around for about 40-50yrs by the time the matrix launched, sure they wernt the savvy "smart" phones we have now but they are acting like not having phone booths is some sort of edgy take
last matrix
You could say the same for any futurist anime where they still use flip phones
Nostalgia and reboots
pearl elk
over 20yrs since the matrix and plenty of people inspired by it, borrowing those tropes and snowballing on em to the point it feels like stepping back in time no matter how good the graphics are
last matrix
I remember when ppl lost their shit when quake came out with its cutting edge graphics
The general populace isnt exposed to what we seek ourselves. Weve been seeing this stuff in greater ways for a long time but the public doesnt see that
pearl elk
how much has gameplay really evolved since then, maybe it got more 'cinematic' which could be considered a deevolution for some
last matrix
Well that seems to be the fracture between indie and aaa for the most part
pearl elk
Im certainly not against cinematics myself but I much prefer when they are more interactive and reactive not so heavily scripted it plays out virtually the same
thats why I think Uncharted 4 is alittle better, the animation systems just have all these secondary motions which make it alittle more alive not so stiff and scripted
last matrix
That is a preference of gameplay and interaction. Some people enjoy the way they can influence a story rather that independantly drive it
pearl elk
Last of Us 2 has the muscular anims which make the characters feel so life like, then theres Detroit Become Human which has fantastic mocap
last matrix
thats why I think Uncharted 4 is alittle better, the animation systems just have...
There is better tech with these kinds of proprietary engines; they can focus on that vs commercial/consumer support
last matrix
Last of Us 2 has the muscular anims which make the characters feel so life like,...
Horizon zero dawn had muscles too but they were awful, rendering was pretty good though
pearl elk
but thats the thing Epic are marketing their engine for these sorts of features but the people who want them already have their own tech so it has to be either better or faster, or both
yeah Horizon has great fabrics and SSS on foliage esp at night
there are a few UE games Im looking forward to but its much more about the games themselves than the technology because those games with proprietary engines do it so well in comparison
last matrix
Agreed
pearl elk
not only that though is those companies can focus on what makes their games better, like Forza for eg they can make that the best engine for car games without having to worry about how good their humans are
cursive crypt
there are a few UE games Im looking forward to but its much more about the games...
My game? 🙂
pearl elk
UE has great car rendering and serviceable car physics but there are clearly issues when driving vehicles at high speeds with all the popping and artifacts from the transparent surfaces
pearl elk
My game? 🙂
maybe, whats it called 🙂
last matrix
i saw a video on this actually, most car games are not that fast
not realistically fast either, except for the car sim games that bug out due to the very problem
camera, fov, and visual effects can make the same moving car appear much faster
cursive crypt
maybe, whats it called 🙂
iUnno, haven't started yet.
pearl elk
that can be an issue with some open world games is you cant fudge the scale for vehicles as much since there is on foot sections. Which is why the car games dont always have on foot
pearl elk
well typically on foot games arnt actual walk/run speeds they are far faster even for slower ones
last matrix
i think gta is a good example of how they play with the camera to create illusion of speed
a cinematographically minded studio like rockstar knows whats up there
pearl elk
well theyve been doing these sorts of games for a long time
last matrix
since the days of race n chase (gta 1) which also had camera zoom out
pearl elk
theyve also done extremely detailed complete games not just tech demos 🙂
last matrix
but they are not giving their engine tools away for free
pearl elk
imagine for a second doing the scheduling for a game like Red Dead 2
no simple timers happening there
then theres quests/missions and trying to make sure its all loaded and not blocking etc
last matrix
all proprietary engines address the specific project being worked on
unreal is a generic use engine
signal citrus
It’s just kind of like, I don’t want unreal to become the Landscape and building meshes with roads engine.. and a lot of the features like world partition don’t make sense but for the type of games you can use a top down map for
last matrix
~~name ~~ think about how many significantly diverse genres proprietary engines make compared to unreal - epic has a different goal
pearl elk
It’s just kind of like, I don’t want unreal to become the Landscape and building...
It makes sense for some specific games but Im not sure if its something Epic need to do in house, it could easily be handled by a third party for people who need it. Trouble is once Epic do it it becomes some sort of hallowed ground and everyone backs off even if they could maintain it better
signal citrus
Nanite isn’t the thing I want saturating my threads either
pearl elk
well thats nicely optional, that sort of feature is best handled by Epic
signal citrus
Idk
“With nanite we no longer have to optimize any art assets and developer happy and game runs well enough”
pearl elk
my concern is with the tooling, it tends to get love only when Epic needs more from it
but what tools developers need is for Epic to get that foundational stuff solid and documented so we can build ontop
last matrix
im glad i wont have to optimize my zbrush sculpts to such a length process
signal citrus
Tbh if you’ve ever needed to add things to renderer.. epic really does a spot on job with that
signal citrus
im glad i wont have to optimize my zbrush sculpts to such a length process
At the cost of performance or other things you could be doing with the spare grunt
last matrix
and i still have my qualms with pbr, but there it is
last matrix
At the cost of performance or other things you could be doing with the spare gru...
i do currently
but i dream of the future where zbrush is in the engine
10 years ago it was common to use 5 or so software to make a damn game assets
now, what, 2 or 3? depending
pearl elk
Im looking forward to having Nanite for the entire scene not just statics
last matrix
and im not talking about low poly ass art
signal citrus
I know many will but if nanite is being used on something that doesn’t have ridiculous amounts of detail then it’s wrong to be part of the pipeline
last matrix
nanite is a start, but the animations still suffer
the nanite lumen tech demo showed that clearly
signal citrus
Eh yeah.
last matrix
cant nanite characters.... yet
signal citrus
I don’t like dynamic lighting
last matrix
i like it it, but not necessarily with pbr
signal citrus
So I’m a bit of a hard sell on this stuff
pearl elk
you can still use static lighting and swap between light environments
last matrix
id also prefer to see the complete obliteration of anything uv texture related
signal citrus
you can still use static lighting and swap between light environments
Was always curious about that. With nanite?
pearl elk
dont see why not, cant say Ive tried it
signal citrus
I just wouldn’t assume if it’s something they won’t ever use that it’s built in
There has kinda been a drift away from static lighting
signal citrus
Yeah idk, but you look at the matrix thing and the light maps needed on that scale I don’t think are sustainable
If it is using any baked light I will stand corrected tho
pearl elk
wouldnt the static lighting use virtual texturing if its turned on
signal citrus
I don’t know enough about virtual texturing to tell you
pearl elk
youre gonna get artifacts on such huge scenes either way]
signal citrus
Yeah lightmaps don’t mip
Have to shoot for blurry shadows from the start
But I just couldn’t imagine the scale of things they aiming for with nanite to be relevant to baking light
Especially in the wasteful way it works in ue4 and most engines expect source pretty much
And source ain’t doing anything like the matrix tech demo
pearl elk
the thing with open world games is its difficult to hide issues. I liken it to a movie stage, for a linear game you have a better idea of where the back stage areas are to hide things out of view. Much harder to hide that sort of thing in an open world which is why I lean away from those sorts of games in general, I try to find solutions which dont involve making Manhattan island in its entirety 😛
cursive crypt
Hey, p@t, what happened with your game? The dolphins and stuff if I remember correctly 🙂
signal citrus
Still been working on it. My vision has gone out though and been getting surgery so coding progress been slow
pearl elk
yeah light shifting through different mediums is tricky, not something UE does well
cursive crypt
Aww... kinda cute, and it grew up since the last time I saw it. Definitely a lot more details.
Ofc, there is things to work on like lighting and pace, but that kinda nice progress I see.
signal citrus
Ofc, there is things to work on like lighting and pace, but that kinda nice prog...
Yeah it’s been the focus too much but results are good and the water sim demands a lot of speed to stay stable so it is a win to have less dynamic lighting in general
cursive crypt
That some sweet waterline 🙂
Well, yeah, I suppose you can have something like lightmap portals or something 🤔
i.e. the idea to light up a bit the underwater enviro.
signal citrus
It’s a game rooted in science fiction so there will be a lot of ways to light it yeah
It’s kinda fun with how much light gets absorbed tbh
We got lighting environment to actually be usable too. No more weird tinted above water or below water, separate reflection environments
cursive crypt
oh, nice
That last one is a bit more balanced as tones.
I suppose you will have to put a good deal on the tonemapper.
post-processing
signal citrus
That last one is a bit more balanced as tones.
Yeah the first one was a test with 2.5lux
4.0lux seems about right
cursive crypt
Ah, I see.
signal citrus
Echo location and stuff will be used to help see
cursive crypt
Scanner effect? 🙂
pearl elk
yeah thats cool, its amazing what sticking different environment maps in can do even for static lighting
cursive crypt
^
signal citrus
Scanner effect? 🙂
A little more organic but kinda yeah
signal citrus
yeah thats cool, its amazing what sticking different environment maps in can do ...
It really was a big problem that took a long time to identify with a very simple solution
It’s just a hlsl edit to change which maps are picked
And yeah the bleeding through is gone, no more weird blue sand above shores
pearl elk
blue sand sounds amazing
cursive crypt
It’s just a hlsl edit to change which maps are picked
That sounds like worthy of blog on its own, lol
signal citrus
We got carried away with blog posts and update videos tbh and it kinda let development drag on technical things
cursive crypt
haha, familiar
signal citrus
Ye
pearl elk
makes me think Zegama Beach from Starship Troopers 😛
signal citrus
blue sand sounds amazing
Lol well, like it is just in the baked specularity
So it isn’t real cool, sand looks cold and not like sun is hitting it unless there’s a reflection node near it in the right way, which was costly to position due to count of them needed
signal citrus
This is kinda cool blue sand tho
Still have to use dynamic lighting for some things
pearl elk
you obviously want to limit the number of dynamic lights though so you dont need a dynamic whole scene environment
signal citrus
Yea
The baked volumetric lighting isn’t really high enough resolution for scattering like that
And they fade in and out at a distance so it’s okay
Visibility of water helps make the fade more digestible
No way much of the ue5 stuff is going to be very applicable to a game like ours but they definitely improved more than just adding nanite and lumen
pearl elk
yeah the modular gameplay framework is nice but I still have some reservations about how the front ends are implemented
nothing wrong with those data heavy views for people who are used to sifting through large amounts of data but for someone who is more of a creative coming to unreal I can see it being a heavy learning curve still
signal citrus
Yeah
Like I honestly think that’s fine
Unity has almost nothing to learn and is a pos
Anyone can pick it up and set themselves up for complete failure
Unreal does things a lot more structured which is a lot to take on in learning but makes so much more sense and doesn’t incur so much cannibalism via asset store for your game that will never be completed because everything built around you is a cage to further prolong development etc
pearl elk
Yeah I guess that is true but no matter how good Unreal is I find myself wanting when it comes to tools
signal citrus
Yeah it’s fair
pearl elk
not that Epic do a terrible job, I have pretty good luck when it comes to stability but there are some things Im just left wtfing over
quasi mantle
Gotta say this, writing Shaders for Unreal was kinda painful. I've seen people do the same for Unity for much little hassle.
signal citrus
That might be because your avoiding engine edits
quasi mantle
I mean, it took me too long to get that custom post process working
signal citrus
What is it used for?
signal citrus
not that Epic do a terrible job, I have pretty good luck when it comes to stabil...
Yeah I agree
quasi mantle
Now I can take a break for Sunday. All it's left is maybe just tweaking some val...
This. @signal citrus
pearl elk
Yeah I agree
one for me is how they integrated brushes with landscape/landmass, just thinking why the hell wouldnt a brush system be generic for a tool like UnrealEd
signal citrus
This. <@451057277189881867>
Did you make a post process material or add a post process pass to renderer?
quasi mantle
Did you make a post process material or add a post process pass to renderer?
The latter.
signal citrus
So you were doing stuff with rendergraph?
quasi mantle
I used Froyo's guide on how to use the delegates and adding the flares and stuff, also doing my own improvisations
quasi mantle
So you were doing stuff with rendergraph?
Yes, and I'm going to take a break from it for a while.
signal citrus
one for me is how they integrated brushes with landscape/landmass, just thinking...
I believe that it’s on the way out tbh
signal citrus
Yes, and I'm going to take a break from it for a while.
It’s a lot to digest
Very cool stylized approach tho
pearl elk
yeah lets hope things are moving forward finally, just sucks when you want some of that functionality but have to make your plugin rely on another rather than on core modules
signal citrus
Yeah
I personally love working with brushes
I think it’s great how older games are so much better with baked lighting from having control over generating the uv based on the light scenario
Lots of waste in lightmap uv when half the model is behind something else
But yeah I dunno that there will be a brush comeback. People seem okay with just placement
quasi mantle
I've seen the stock Unreal Engine lens flare far too many times at this point, and after applying the custom lens flare, I can't help but notice the stock lens flare even in new Unreal games and how it looks pale in comparison
pearl elk
I turn lense flare off most of the time lol
if you can totally add an adjustment for how strong the flare is rather than just on/off
signal citrus
I dunno that I’ve noticed characteristics about it that stand out but i wouldn’t doubt there are some
I really wish hdr in editor was a thing before ue5
Then we could have natural lense flares on our cornea
pearl elk
we need more lense flare for slate widgets
and niagara particles when you click a button
signal citrus
Niagara is so cool
quasi mantle
and niagara particles when you click a button
Isn't there plugin to put Niagara on UMG?
pearl elk
yeah I remember seeing that one
quasi mantle
Sort of.
You do get bloom and glares even in naked eyes.
pearl elk
there is also sometimes a lense between your eye and the light source, you know like a window or a puddle etc
red pewter
moreso for people who need glasses
quasi mantle
Also eyelashes and anything inside the eyes can shape up the glare shape
And the glare is more noticeable when you just woke up or getting sleepy.
pearl elk
yeah moisture in the air can cause lensing effects too
even on a complete dry day if you look in the distance of a hot road you get that woosh effect 😛
red pewter
even still I abhore lens flare in games
if your medieval game has a torch that glows like a searchlight through a lens something is off
quasi mantle
The only thing that camera has but not the eyes are the flare ghosts, which is caused by the camera lens and sensors.
I think there's a research done on this, mentioned in Froyo's post on the custom post process
pearl elk
eye acraptation
I used to live out in the desert and that darkness when you come in from outside was real but midday sunlight was super harsh
red pewter
being out in the snow and coming inside is intense
it's like everything is washed out for a bit
pearl elk
most cameras taking shots in high or low light adjust the camera to take the cleanest shot so it doesnt really represent what your eyes see in terms of exposure
heh interesting, bit like when you swap between colour n b&w you see abit of colour or saturation until your eyes fade in
if you look at a game like say BF V which has snow and desert you'll find the environments are more normalised than your expect to see with your actual eye, like photo reproductions
Id imagine snow can be pretty bright too when the sun is out and its clear
similar with being on the ocean too because you get that bounced light off the water
sunglasses people
cursive crypt
https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service
Nice
pearl elk
paying for new vehicle skins when
quasi mantle
As if paying for the fuel and car ownership taxes wasn't enough, amazing
cursive crypt
paying for new vehicle skins when
first they need to nft them
pearl elk
aint it funny you can own a ferrari or lambo in real life but still have to unlock it in NFS or Forza
cursive crypt
If you went cheap on that lambo and haven't paid for season pass, which includes virtual goodies, yea.
regal pecan
aint it funny you can own a ferrari or lambo in real life but still have to unlo...
Ironically, a problem NFTs could actually solve.
$80 a year, average owner is 9 years, so average premium of $720 without an audio package.
this is a gem:
Perhaps not coincidentally, the automaker also announced that it has "enhanced" vehicles built before Nov. 12, 2018, to no longer require a subscription for the key fob's remote start feature to function.
tfw your car is too primitive to charge you a subscription
pearl elk
you should see all the money my parents are getting back on junk insurance theyve been sold over the years on vehicles and mortages
regal pecan
I love how the results for junk insurance refund are specific to australia
timber viper
skeletal mesh render with nanite maybe
Was nanite working for skeletal meshes?
pearl elk
does suck other countries dont have the strong consumer protections we do
timber viper
Then it's niagara
A few days later there will be an AMA session with an Epic staff, I might ask him
red pewter
It could even be animation sharing for all we know
they all have an identical walking anim
pearl elk
cept for Keanu
I think the Morpheus at the start is an imposter not full 3D
theres a bit where Morpheus and young Neo are standing at the red chairs with old Keanu
I think its just composited film with 3D, UE does have all the fancy virtual production tools
need free camera
maybe Epic will release it like they did Valley of the Ancients
or wait, they wouldnt have permission would they 😛
quasi mantle
Yet another esolang
I mean, one could make a turing complete programming language where the syntax is a foul mouthed shakspearean play or a cheesy rock lyrics.
pearl elk
Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio.
carmine frigate
i thought WWZ was crap
plyed it like 10 min
coop with a friend even, we both didnt really feel like playing level 2
timber viper
I finished it, it was almost awesome for me
carmine frigate
that whole game was unlit 😛
pearl elk
I prefer it to Back 4 Blood myself\
carmine frigate
it was super ugly, even that old game left4dead looked better
timber viper
I could appreciate some bosses over endless swarms but it was very enjoyful with 4 players
timber viper
it was super ugly, even that old game left4dead looked better
You sure you played with high settings?
carmine frigate
yea
median wraith
People working with colormap textures do they extract the average color with some tool or they do the colorlerp manually?
quasi mantle
You sure you played with high settings?
The gore isn't as visceral as L4D2
timber viper
yea
Weird, it was not a true hyper-reliastic experience but lighting, model details etc. was not that bad imo
quasi mantle
I guess it was difficult for them to implement the wound system in UE4
carmine frigate
timber viper
I guess it was difficult for them to implement the wound system in UE4
Yeah I'm even surprised they managed to render that many zombies
pearl elk
I liked the defense sections in WWZ
L4D games when you play with people who know the maps well it ends up being a rush to the safe house
timber viper
Yeah I'm even surprised they managed to render that many zombies
Though their AI was worse than WWZ, in B4B all you have is flocking zombies
carmine frigate
its easy to render that many zombies when they dont effect any lighting
to me it looked like it was running in debug mode 😛
pearl elk
Nazi Zombie Army ftw 😛
quasi mantle
It's impressive how Source Engine managed to get that amount of zombies on screen.
Though it's not like Source Engine used deferred rendering or as heavy as CryEngine or UE3.
timber viper
What's the tradeoff?
I always wondered why engines sacrifice rendering masses over other things
Looks like deferred rendering multiplies the required processes for each rendering element
quasi mantle
For one thing, Source was old, very old. It still went with Forward Rendering, back when Deferred Rendering wasn't common (by the time HL2 came out, only Shrek game being notable to use Deferred)
Also DICE developed that Shrek Xbox game btw
timber viper
So deferred rendering is for quality, while forward rendering allows CPU to handle things easily while sacrificing lighting quality
pearl elk
Shrek vs Zombies
timber viper
UE also has forward rendering, why it's not enough to render that amount of zombies easily?
quasi mantle
UE also has forward rendering, why it's not enough to render that amount of zomb...
I guess B4B didn't use forward rendering
signal citrus
I get lense flares tho, but I have a condition lol
pearl elk
signal citrus
Multiple flares there lol
I got crosslinking done on my right eye last week and it’s worse rn than better
signal citrus
So deferred rendering is for quality, while forward rendering allows CPU to hand...
Forward rendering is almost always better quality
Deferred is for performance
But with unreal I believe forward is lacking features
timber viper
I see, Unreal developed its forward renderer for it's own specific purposes then
signal citrus
Yeah, it is used for transparent objects
signal citrus
You can’t use the gbuffer on anything but opaques
Forward means it outputs fully lit pixels per triangle where deferred keeps that step for the last
pearl elk
tuck in ya chain no gbuffer
signal citrus
lol
timber viper
That explains why zero opacity decreasing the fps
signal citrus
Ye the expensive part of forward rendering is all light sources on a object need shadow passes
So if 5 lights hit a thing the triangles are blasted 6 times
Even if there’s no shadows
The shader has to be able to process some fixed amount of light sources of influence
Because it’s not deferred for later
So zero opacity, with lots of light sources around on a semi complicated mesh could do that
Also if all the water surface in your game is a single plane
That will be expensive af with transparency and every light source etc
pearl elk
you can do deferred and forward at the same time too 😮
signal citrus
Before like Xbox 360/ps3
signal citrus
you can do deferred and forward at the same time too 😮
Yep
And single layer water is a great trick
It draws the water surface as a opaque
But it does it last
And keeps a copy of what’s behind the water
Then shades it in on the opaque surface
But yeah any transparent objects under the surface won’t render because depth buffer
pearl elk
but you gotta render the boba in the tea
pearl elk
its important to render single use transparent plastics correctly
signal citrus
One shot
I remember when everything was forward and we had real anti aliasing
Was just called AA back then but now they refer to it as something else
pearl elk
FMLAA
fluid bloom
LMAOAA
pearl elk
who needs AA when you have SS
signal citrus
Source of the picture doesn’t really even say what the two rows mean lol
signal citrus
who needs AA when you have SS
Super sampling gets to me
Temporal approaches at least I don’t care for
pearl elk
but its better than specular jitter
trouble is theres still alot of ghosting, hasnt really improved much
signal citrus
It’s also terrible for scenarios that require a moving picture
If everything just holds still it’s okay tho
pearl elk
yeah the tests I did with nanite and lumen at high speed there was such bad ghosting the actor was blurred to transparent lol
signal citrus
Lol
pearl elk
Epic did say that wasnt really the intended use for Nanite though so it makes sense, it worked at lower speeds but at some point it just went bleh
signal citrus
The amd thing that isn’t temporal at all is kinda interesting
FidelityFX super resolution or whatever
pearl elk
yeah I dont use it a whole lot, there are acouple of options theres static or dynamic
most of the time I want super sampling not fake super sampling cuz I have plenty of spare GPU
signal citrus
We have the same gpu I think
pearl elk
yeah we do, the support for AMD stuff aint as bad as I expected tbh. The reduced mouse lag one really works
signal citrus
The moment you throw exponential height fog with light scattering on in, and some volumetric scattering lights, even on our card it is real hard to push frames at 4k
fluid bloom
who needs AA when you have SS
SSAA still suffers from temporal aliasing though 😛
pearl elk
I run mostly at 1440P not sure what 150% on that is, I dont think it would be full 4K though
signal citrus
Aye I made a new project and just like three volumetric dynamic lights and height fog and it’s hard to hold 30fps at 4k
I wonder if it’s something that shouldn’t be scaled better
At 1080p it’s like hundreds of frames
pearl elk
interesting, you can adjust the resolution of the volumetrics though so maybe that has something to do with it
pearl elk
not sure if that would be a resolution dependent scaling but it does make sense to raise the pixels on volumetrics to be a percentage of screen
pearl elk
thats the main reason these upscaling algorithms work so well though is the smaller buffers on every pass not just the final render
signal citrus
Yeah
pearl elk
its already pretty common to lower those buffer sizes, I know DX12 supports dynamic scaling for things like that to hit FPS targets so you dont really get a proper 4K image
signal citrus
It’s frustum aligned and all but the previous frame gets brought into world space by previous camera frustum and brought into current frustum space as a weird way to have temporal blending /filling
So I dunno how much of the buffer itself is filled per frame
When that blending component is turned off it looks horrible
pearl elk
yeah its difficult, especially if you add variable rate shading in the mix
signal citrus
For sure
pearl elk
abstract all the things
signal citrus
VRS isn’t really built in to engine yet right?
I saw they have you can choose the shading rate of materials
2x2 etc
But no smart logic picking which pixels deserve more processing yeah?
pearl elk
yeah I dont think UE is fully up with VRS yet
signal citrus
Cool cool
pearl elk
CoD Engine I think is the most developed implementation
pearl elk
ahh yeah, Gears 5 is pretty impressive tbh
I had a bug with the VSR which caused some oddities
that was back on my 1070GTX
signal citrus
Yikes
pearl elk
yeah certain materials just went nuts
signal citrus
I was playing hitman 3 and turned off vsr
I noticed no change in quality or performance really
On the 2080ti or the 6900xt
pearl elk
it would only be noticable in the 1% lows, when the scene is really bottlenecking
pearl elk
CoD BO Cold War actually runs pretty amazing, I turn off the RT though cuz I can barely notice the difference lol
quasi mantle
And yet still for whatever reason I still can't get DX12 dynares working in my side
pearl elk
I had to cap it to stop it hitting 180fps lol
quasi mantle
Some people managed to get dynares working on PC.
signal citrus
Interesting
quasi mantle
Maybe I missed some steps, I don't know. I had TAA-U enabled, and it's the gen 5 one.
pearl elk
TAU makes alot of sense 😛
signal citrus
The tau cannon
pearl elk
when you run out of ammo for delta
signal citrus
Yeah 
quasi mantle
I still don't like how they repurposed tau cannon into mounted turret :(
signal citrus
for real lmao
quasi mantle
At least Mmod allows it to be carried around again
signal citrus
wow that is a deep wound i thought had healed by now but yeah that sucked lol
pearl elk
best rocket jumps
signal citrus
hows yambdalife going
pearl elk
signal citrus
snoozy land
pearl elk
lol
I have quite a few projects on the go, the desert thing kinda went on the back burner because it was meant to be a shooter but turned into a detective game
zinc matrix
yeah
lol
Oh dear...
I spent too much time not doing multiplayer
my project might be doomed
Those adult swim videos make me wonder how do you even make something like that lol. Is it just pure animation, is it playing around with effects, is it throwing everything together, is it adding effects to video itself.
at 3:30 min that part is like wow 👀
pearl elk
left granite
foggy path
median wraith
on mobile these looks terrible wrong
Turns out the vehicles in the matrix demo runs under Nanite
Thought you wasn't able to make movable entities with it
The glasses are normal meshed and the people are normal meshes too
And some dude told me once a car crash turns the mesh to s normal one so you can have deformable parts
quasi mantle
Thought you wasn't able to make movable entities with it
The golem in Valley of the Ancient comprises of nanite meshes parented to skelmeshes
median wraith
oh is true
zinc matrix
when ppl move to another country, how to handle the first days? You aren't carrying over all the furniture, bed, kitchen stuff and other things. What do you do in the first night?
quasi mantle
I would adjust the sleep time, if it's on the opposite end of the time zone.
carmine frigate
go to the local bar
ask around about landmines and local wildlife that can kill you
celest musk
same for small towns
deep glen
if you move for a job, see if there are any colleagues that can show you around.
novel storm
How do I know if a Windows license being sold isn't a gray license?
It says it's on sale...but I don't want to buy an illegit license
signal citrus
How do I know if a Windows license being sold isn't a gray license?
How much does it cost
signal citrus
What do they bill it as?
novel storm
Oh, good question...
Tbh...I'm just not gonna bother risking it, pretend I didn't ask lol
signal citrus
Okay
celest musk
there was a company selling MS volume license keys at supermarkets here in germany for quite a while...
novel storm
I think that's considered gray licensing, but I'm not sure
I'm just gonna buy from Microsoft through Amazon
signal citrus
Use Microsoft
celest musk
well the moral of the story, it's hard to tell for a customer if a dealer is serious or not
signal citrus
It is instant and you can install first then activate online
novel storm
Does Microsoft sell them directly on their website? I couldn't find them
celest musk
how much is it directly from microsoft?
signal citrus
Which windows you looking for?
signal citrus
It looks like you buy through them inside the os
Did you try running windows update on it?
As of now, Windows 11 is a free upgrade and everyone can upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 for free.
If the device will support windows 11 you should be able to use your ten key
signal citrus
how much is it directly from microsoft?
Home is 139.99
They don’t sell windows 11 keys on the site, you probably need to upgrade to it
69.99 probably gets you a weird oem license
lucid walrus
when ppl move to another country, how to handle the first days? You aren't carry...
I slept on a blow-up matress my first year abroad 😆
(and that was actually my second time abroad... my first time I rented a furnished room for two years)
celest musk
holy fricking....
buying an used pc with win7 license sticker is cheaper, and will most likely upgrade to win10, which you could then turn into win11
ionic hull
Did Epic release full details on UE5 technical specs?
cursive crypt
That kinda twice expensive than before 5 years 🤔
celest musk
Did Epic release full details on UE5 technical specs?
however, their 8gb is the bare minimum imho
ionic hull
Sometimes I feel like I am actually stupid lol
celest musk
that's an indicator that you arent
ionic hull
A simple Google search would've brought that up
But as always thanks @celest musk
I am upgrading my hardware and I was looking at what I should be upgrading to
I am going with a 3080 and an i7 11th gen with 32 gigs of ram
celest musk
you don't really need an 3080 tho
i would rather invest in more ram 😄
and probably pick an 5900x/5950x over i7 11th gen
celest musk
yea
ionic hull
Really?
celest musk
yea, i was considering 11th gen, too
signal citrus
That kinda twice expensive than before 5 years 🤔
I thought so too (sorry about ping)
ionic hull
Are 11th gen too hot?
celest musk
you get more cores for the same price with amd 😄
ionic hull
Interesting
signal citrus
12th gen intel is a lil cheaper
celest musk
and a lil better
signal citrus
Not really
celest musk
they got closer to amd with 12th gen
signal citrus
The 5950x anyways
ionic hull
Interesting
cursive crypt
I thought so too (sorry about ping)
edit: wrong reply, but yeah its fine.
ionic hull
I haven't kept up with PCs for a while
signal citrus
edit: wrong reply, but yeah its fine.
Thanks
signal citrus
I haven't kept up with PCs for a while
Amd everything and you’ll be okay, intel 12th gen is the only competition to Amds almost two year old chips now
celest musk
also amd has way lower power consumption than 11th gen intel
ionic hull
Damn
signal citrus
Intel has pcie5 and ddr5 support in theory
So if you want those things from amd you’d have to wait rn
But hard to really recommend it. If there are gen5 drives they aren’t on Amazon. DDR5 is super expensive and I don’t know that it makes sense for anything but the 12900k and even then it kinda lack luster to have 8 performance cores
celest musk
105W/12core vs 125W/8core
carmine frigate
so why does epic launcher get booted up when i start a project?
can i turn this off?
novel storm
Are you launching from VS?
novel storm
I thought it was in the launcher settings, but I'm not sure
cursive crypt
so why does epic launcher get booted up when i start a project?
Always have been. 🔫
cursive crypt
I like f3 more. It is usually bound to the Find function.
soft night
yeah
cursive crypt
That the new Fallout V target system, I bet.
cursive crypt
Homemade
last matrix
anatomy is off, immersion ruined >.<
fallow finch
https://tenor.com/view/tire-fire-fire-let-it-burn-burning-on-fire-gif-15825473
Global warming
thick belfry
