lounge

[quasi mantle]

Also not to mention playing those mobage in 1080p 60 FPS without burning my hand.

[graceful sequoia]

ya know, as i help people in these various subtopic channels, i wonder if "they have disappeared at my response question" means i have failed or rather they have figured it out and gone back to making their game without telling us

probably the latter happens more often than not

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-Q81NcsY6YxK7jxnr4v

[quasi mantle]

The latter. Otherwise they'd complain about it.

[graceful sequoia]

that is true

"It didn't work."

OK, what didn't work. Did you look into anything beyond the help I gave? Or was it like, this didnt immediately solve my problem so I'm back for more

unreal is crazy complex, most of the professionals who work with it dont understand a large percentage of it

somehow epic has gotten close enough to something a single person can do that is within grasp but man, its a sprawling crazy legacy filled system

let me complain about umg. why can you not spawn a regular widget without making a blueprint, why is WidgetTree not exposed to blueprint, why can you not override tab, why can you not change the focus overlay for focus navigation globally

how about input subsystem, why does add action mapping in PIE modify project settings..... wat?

[quasi mantle]

One comparison that I can agree with is that UI is easier to set up in Unity.

[graceful sequoia]

I don't disbelieve that at all

I've had thoughts of seeking out one of the AAA UI middlewares and that is a problem

it should not be needed

[quasi mantle]

Especially menu navigation, it just works with Gamepads/Keyboards, and navigations can be adjustable along with the visual cue.

[graceful sequoia]

did you see the hack I did for handling tab as an input action while still having gamepad navigation?

it's gruesome

umg is like nah bro

that's my key

I just want to let the player use arrow keys or gamepad to navigate this crap

I don't care that tab should go to the next item, this isn't a desktop app

100% of the forum posts just say turn off focus on all buttons

but you can't do that if you want gamepads to work with uis, and that's a waste, because umgs navigation logic is great

[quasi mantle]

There's a free plugin called UI Navigation that allows for UMG navigation with gamepads and keyboards. So no need to lazily set up gamepad cursor

[graceful sequoia]

it shouldn't be needed

umg is fine it's just missing the option to disable tab as an input

[foggy path]

it's good but certain things are also just extremely tedious

such as... recoloring a scrollbar

[graceful sequoia]

well sure but does "UI Navigation" add recolorable scrollbars?

[quasi mantle]

But it's necessary to my projec
I went my way to even integrate it inside my custom engine

[graceful sequoia]

that's fair, not saying you should abandon what works

It just feels like UMG development just stopped

you can even see it in the community posts

a lot of "oh yeah we're going to add this" from 10 years ago

[foggy path]

Yeah

[quasi mantle]

Probably because Slate is getting so underutilised

[graceful sequoia]

Slate is a whole nother topic

[quasi mantle]

But working with Slate is like making a 3D CG render with nothing but math table, and who knows what it's going to really render.

[graceful sequoia]

The thing is only accessible in c++, requires even more labrinthine macros than Unreal itself does which is saying something. If Epic wants Blueprints go be the focus of their amazing domain specific languages, how about making it work as a first class citizen for logic

[quasi mantle]

Probably like how they made Tron in early 1980s.

[foggy path]

I wonder if they're gonna integrate a HTML based system

because that's the hotness

:P

[quasi mantle]

I mean, CEF is a thing in the engine, but I'm concerned about the overhead.

[graceful sequoia]

um yeah pleas only use CEF if you absolutely have to

[quasi mantle]

Except that UI has to be shown almost all the time

[graceful sequoia]

if people start using CEF for uis.... well good luck on any budgeting for the rest of this monstrous effort we have

[zinc matrix]

what is a good tool to test my gpu?

[foggy path]

I can't be as bad as Scaleform can it lol

[zinc matrix]

my screen blinks black irregulary

[quasi mantle]

And most of the HTML based UI solution I found on marketplace and such seems rely on CEF

[graceful sequoia]

I've never used it, but like I said above, I'm interested in alternatives. So it sucks?

[torpid star]

ah yes chromium from 2017

[quasi mantle]

GPU-Z or Furmark

[foggy path]

well I would assume Scaleform isn't super performant because it's based on Flash

[torpid star]

CEF is great though

[foggy path]

but it was used in a ton of games

[graceful sequoia]

it's doing this and going white for a frame for me on 3080Ti. I suspect driver fuckery

[torpid star]

HTML DOM based UI is the future for vidyagames

so much better than literally everything else

[zinc matrix]

the new windows updates perhaps

[graceful sequoia]

specifically in editor not anything else

[foggy path]

At least you can recolor a scrollbar really easily in chrome

[torpid star]

no no what you do is make your own scrollbar in JS

[foggy path]

That's probably still easier than doing it in Slate

and integrating it into UMG

[graceful sequoia]

oh yes it is, but this is a game that needs to run at high frame rates while shredding your users CPU and GPU so... maybe take caution in tossing it into the mix just for user interfaces

and I am first and foremost a web developer

[torpid star]

lol a single chrome tab is nothing

[graceful sequoia]

I just do games on the side so

[graceful sequoia]

incorrect, relative to UMG

[torpid star]

right

Valve's VGUI2 Panorama is a really cool. It's an HTML DOM but they are using their own VGUI to represent the DOM. They are still using their existing VGUI framework behind the scene (VGUI -- think Slate but Valve)

[graceful sequoia]

let's slap an entire runtime on top of our runtime just for UIs! What could go wrong really

[torpid star]

so you get the advantage of nice HTML non binary code for UI, but you don't go through Chrome

[graceful sequoia]

valves purpose built solutions are a far cry from CEF

I'm not saying you should never use it

I'm just saying it should absolutely not ever be used to provide the UI for your unreal game or app

[quasi mantle]

CEF is just a terrible choice for game UI, and many of the UE plugins that promises to use HTML5 for UI are ended up using CEF anyway.

[zinc matrix]

#construction-jobs-ue

wshere is it

[torpid star]

I absolutely disagree with that. Upgrade chromium on your CEF setup, up the default framerate, do your hit detection and your golden.

[graceful sequoia]

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree with that. When I do webdev it's media heavy, processing video in browser, pretty aware of the runtime costs

if you have a target hardware spec where it's ok then cool

but for the average audience, you can't afford CEF

[torpid star]

literally anything can run Chrome, for a single UI (one tab), that's nothing.

[graceful sequoia]

yep you aren't getting it

[foggy path]

pretty sure the new Flight Simulator ran the instrument panels and such in some HTML based thingy

[graceful sequoia]

it's not about whether the users system can have a chrome tab open

a game UI interacts with the game

[torpid star]

yeah and?

[shell garden]

what about a game that is ONLY the ui?

[graceful sequoia]

the interactivity between one process and another already has huge overhead. You then add on that as part of your 60hz, 120hz, or 240hz game that were going to render a web browser in all it's glory actively just so you can see a health readout or something

it's ludicrous

[shell garden]

a flight simulator with a secret spreadsheet built in

[cursive crypt]

Pen n paper UI

Let the users enjoy

[torpid star]

UE is already directly hooked into the render process for CEF. Having a few JS callbacks doesn't change a thing

[cursive crypt]

Ewww js

[graceful sequoia]

take that as far as you can my friend

I'll see you when it doesn't work :-)

[shell garden]

mmorpg where you have to print out and fill in the character sheets and post them to the developer's office every time you level up

[torpid star]

right

[graceful sequoia]

bear in mind i have web interfaces for controlling all aspects of my game

from a developer perspective man is it better than doing equivalent dev UIs in unreal

I have such fine grained control with very little effort because the web is such a good rapid development tool

I just don't think you should reach for web based UIs in unreal until you have a damned good use case for it

[shell garden]

a pay-to-win game where players can also sell their character levels to each other

(for a fee, of course)

[cursive crypt]

Looting shoeboxes

[foggy path]

I'm not sure why there's some kind of implicit assumption here that if it's based on HTML/CSS it's never going to have good performance

[graceful sequoia]

html and css alone? nah that could work

[quasi mantle]

The CEF overhead is the one that's concerning.

[shell garden]

native javascript vulkan-rt support

[graceful sequoia]

the entire web platform though? the bigger problem is that you are joining two different runtimes

[light spruce]

Here. Let me settle this entire discussion.

[torpid star]

It's not. Even if you don't use an CEF stuff you still pay for the overhead.

[foggy path]

Sure, so you would just use the rendering/engine parts of the "entire web platform"

[graceful sequoia]

this is why Deno was rewritten in Rust after being written in Go initially

[light spruce]

Absolutely all the tools that are available for game UIs are absolutely awful and there's been between zero and no effort made on improving any aspect of that pipeline... and that's why they continue to suck. Therefore, it doesn't actually matter what you use, it will still be garbage.

[quasi mantle]

I mean, the CEF is capable of web browsing.

[light spruce]

I just saved you another hour of your lives; you're welcome.

[graceful sequoia]

that's true philosophically but not practically

[shell garden]

port cyberpunk 2077 to fortran77

[graceful sequoia]

wait no

[torpid star]

yep :)

[graceful sequoia]

you don't

[torpid star]

u do

want me to find the line?

[graceful sequoia]

No, CEF is doing nothing if you don't have a tab context in it

[light spruce]

Yes. Also find your missing Y and O

[graceful sequoia]

I'm sorry, but no holy crap. I could go with "it's an ok UI to use" with convincing but saying that not using it is the same perf cost as using it is too far

[light spruce]

I'll now take my insight to the place where I will sleep like shit for day four. Or three. I can't tell anymore.

[graceful sequoia]

day 3.14159

[quasi mantle]

I'm sure there's good reasons why games often just leave the web browsing business to the platform's web browser.

[foggy path]

Styling is just really annoying with UMG

that's my main gripe

[graceful sequoia]

can't believe that I of all people have to say no to web uis

[foggy path]

if that was better, I think UMG would be excellent

[graceful sequoia]

I literally do this all day

[foggy path]

Layout, widgets, etc. - they all are pretty good

but try to adjust styling and ugh

[quasi mantle]

I'm opposed against making UIs in web wrappers.

[foggy path]

I've done web stuff for like 20 years lol

[graceful sequoia]

yeah it's a pain for sure. I'd love to see an HTML and CSS based markup and styling system

[foggy path]

it has come a million years forward in performance

I wrote some 2D games using JS in <canvas> in like 2005 or so and the performance was really terrible

now you can run UE4 in WebGL and it'll run just fine

[graceful sequoia]

absolutely, I'm doing literal media encoders in web tech these days

[foggy path]

nice

[graceful sequoia]

it's incredible, but you have to be practical

[foggy path]

I actually implemented a similar system as Id did to make smooth scrolling work, where it would update only the parts of the screen needed because clearing and redrawing <canvas> was so expensive lol

although I only learned it was a trick Id used much much later

[quasi mantle]

Using custom built exporter? Emscripten is so terrible, Epic wants you to forget about it.

[foggy path]

Yeah I don't really know about it, it was just an example of how much better the performance is now :D

[graceful sequoia]

but I'm not going to shoehorn my typescript SPA into unreal anymore than I would shoe horn unreal into a real metal web app if it wasn't needed

[foggy path]

I could probably shoehorn stuff I do at work into UE4 because we do advertising lol

[graceful sequoia]

I will grant that the shared platform gains are strong there

but it's still a huge cost to the game

especially since the ads are on mobile

[foggy path]

It seems like there should be a solution to it to be honest

[graceful sequoia]

so we aren't even talking about a well powerd PC

[foggy path]

If it's a static ad you could just render once and be done with it

[graceful sequoia]

yeah authoring an ad that works on, for instance, both unreal and unity is a PITA for creative

I won't fault devs that use CEF for that

[foggy path]

the tools we build at work are designed to make authoring ads in multiple sizes and such significantly faster... we haven't really looked into integrations to game engines since it hasn't come up from any of our customers yet, but it'd probably be something we could in theory do

since we have a custom format that's used to define the structure we could probably even write a native renderer plugin if it performed better than some kind of browser thingy

[graceful sequoia]

you'd make bank if the network could run in UMG and whatever else unity uses

without webtech

buuuuuut

reality and economics and accessibility for advertisers creative teams and yeah

still waiting on that line of code that proves that perf on regular unreal games is somehow the same as when cef render targets are loaded

[foggy path]

time for a new addon card, the BPU

Browser Processing Unit

[graceful sequoia]

hehehe

we'll need it if this mentality gets it's way

and to be clear, build your game for html5 absolutelu

if you are doing that well there isn't two runtimes are there

web apps are the way of the future, including video games

but it just doesn't make sense to waste that perf budget when a purpose built framework is there that costs less

oh well

im off to build out a UI to do some benchmarks, with blackjack and hookers

ehh we could skip the benchmarks

[foggy path]

wut

I mean it's IEEE754 so it's not really "the way JS expects it"

[graceful sequoia]

yeah there is no special handling on float to int in JS-- but bear in mind that there is never such a conversion at all

except perhaps uintarray

[torpid star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3BBiY4QfA (guy making his own POSIX OS)

lots of fun

[humble remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735681077225586772/855906458382106634/E4KmGT4XwAEL8_y.png

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/Luos_83/status/1412039806503301123

Luos_83 (@Luos_83)

Following along a free test assignment before I roll into the full actual "scenario writing" course.

It's chapter 23. (and only 23)
the first sentence goes "In chapter 22 we gave you the assignment to read a novel, the questions and assignments will be related to this novel" https://t.co/x1ThUj5Oim

Twitter · Jul 5, 2021, 1:24 PM

[shell garden]

imagine if windows was known as ntkern/explorer

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/windows2000startup-desktop-gif-13368647

[shell garden]

needs more reactos

[zinc matrix]

hi

[quasi mantle]

C:\>_

[foggy path]

Ikkunat = finnish for "Windows"

this is a photo from the actual finnish Windows 2000 Pro boot disk with a minor translation goof in there... :D

[median wraith]

almost 300 FPS on the 970 nice

😆

[quasi mantle]

This looks like a character from Magic School Bus traversing through a cadaver.

[median wraith]

lets see if with Materials can deal to get 200FPS

I was about put this whole pack in the marketplace but given the people won't get why cost x price, maybe its better to give a simple thing with a simple price tag

a custom shader model lets say

I'm on my way

at the first made it based on Unlit, reduces cost by 1ms but I don't get access to any of lightmaps data

so technically now I'm looking the best way to mix this

[cursive crypt]

Debian btw

[cursive crypt]

What is this failed painting? 🤔

[median wraith]

Well still almost 300FPS

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-gif-18354669

[median wraith]

and still don't get why the baker does rare things

[cursive crypt]

But really is it just a style or it is some measurement shading?

[median wraith]

a different shader base

[carmine frigate]

its Hevtraced

[cursive crypt]

So.. an art style

[median wraith]

well call it x

the shadows etc are calculated inside Unlit base

but moving now to Lit for static meshes

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-boy-chris-farley-hmmm-mystery-thats-a-mystery-gif-15297682

[carmine frigate]

you doin stuff for oculus mobile

?

or quest standalone

dunno what its called

[median wraith]

yeah I did the first one for Oculus Quest 2

ran smooth

but is limited

did a vertex light baker for the purpose too

[carmine frigate]

i have a hard time gettin decent fps on rift and rx580 😛

[median wraith]

yeah as said that's why used Unlit

the style was cartoon so all fine

[pearl elk]

so its derelited

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/psychedelic-loop-sam-gilmore-sam-jack-gilmore-green-gif-14950582

[median wraith]

Deferred lights to me cost a lot without shadows

someone told me at Forward rendering are almost free ?

lets see

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-set-radio-future-jsrf-jet-set-radio-gif-20617498

dunno but forward is recommended for VR also robo recall uses it

[median wraith]

static light don't affect dynamic actors so

[torpid star]

that was me

[median wraith]

go and check how cool robo recall for Oculus Quest 2 looks

😆

[median wraith]

yeah I think so 🤔

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-boom-chili-dog-eating-dunno-gif-14851589

[carmine frigate]

hmm i dont have a quest 2

[soft night]

i dont have any VR headset

[carmine frigate]

a hololens than?

[median wraith]

well and I don't have robo recall

[carmine frigate]

you can download the modkit tho

[median wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOUhQIJwllE&ab_channel=UploadVR

[carmine frigate]

i also dont own robo recall, i just played it with the modkit,. some loadingtimes take ages tho

[median wraith]

how terrible everything looks without HDR

[pearl elk]

isnt robo recall free for quest owners

[median wraith]

well at least for me with quest 2 no

cost like 40€ or so

20 to 40

[torpid star]

oof

and on a facebook store

[pearl elk]

heh odd

[torpid star]

used to be free for CV1's with Touch

[median wraith]

By th way @torpid star your lights are static or stationary ?

[carmine frigate]

medium is free now tho

[torpid star]

moveable aka dynamic

[torpid star]

medium the blog?

[carmine frigate]

and tiltbrush open source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTvoAzxnbM

[pearl elk]

game looks abit like ass tbh

but I guess VR is like that 😛

[carmine frigate]

looks like they just turn robo recall to unlit, removed lod 0 and 1 and calld it done job for the port 😛

[torpid star]

u talking about the mobile port?

I do recall there being a long post about porting it

[carmine frigate]

yea there is prolly more too it

[torpid star]

quite a bit

[quasi mantle]

Does Manjaro count?

[carmine frigate]

i like mint

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-star-wars-robot-gif-20159502

[quasi mantle]

Why Manjaro considered as heresy to Arch, even though Manjaro is practically a streamlined version of Arch?

[pearl elk]

why does a bank have cooking equipment

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-fire-gulf-of-mexico-gif-22202619

[pearl elk]

surely a microwave or an oven is a security concern when you have high tech sensors around the safe

[soft night]

why oceans have cooking equipment?

[pearl elk]

banks are designed to keep bomb blasts in right so if you trip the sensors by exploding a cake youre screwed until the technician arrive

maybe its one of those fake banks where they shuffle the money into lock bags

[carmine frigate]

i wonder if you can still swim above that fire

[median wraith]

Bet something is broken in the engine

the deferred lights cost the same at stationary and dynamic lmao

and on forward rendering are for free

wtf

[median wraith]

Well the light works now

so lets see

also FXAA reduces the cost on both renders

[median wraith]

In other hand 4ms for base pass seems kinda expensive

[carmine frigate]

i thought msaa was best for vr

forward moves soem stuff to base i think

[torpid star]

yeah it's great, set your vr render res to 80% and do 2xMSAA

free resolution

[carmine frigate]

ahh ill keep that in mind

[median wraith]

doing default desktop here

[zinc matrix]

why do americans who lived for generations in tornado area do not move out of this dangerous area?

[regal pecan]

Actual threat to personal safety? Small.
Actual threat to property? Compensated for by insurance.

[zinc matrix]

XDDDD!!!

how much is the insurance per month

[regal pecan]

There's probably a reason they make cheap wooden death shacks for houses.

[zinc matrix]

doesnt sound intelligent idea to continue staying there..

[sand coyote]

I hate how they use wooden houses in the most dangerous places

[zinc matrix]

i mean... come on why now?

[sand coyote]

Even the poorest countries use concrete

[zinc matrix]

what is the answer?

living the dream? what ur name mean?

[regal pecan]

That was the answer.

[zinc matrix]

but wooden houses?

and how much is insurance?

[regal pecan]

Considering actual death rates, what you should be asking is why do we allow people to eat fried food.

[zinc matrix]

and how often does it happen that your house gets destroyed?

[sand coyote]

why do we allow death in the first place

[zinc matrix]

why is my screen blinking black irregulary 😡

[sand coyote]

Governments should invest in cryonics and artificial internal organs

[regal pecan]

Cryonics: You're dead, but at least you're cool.

[sand coyote]

Not really

The whole point of cryonics is to stop cellular degeneration of the brain before its totally dead

Which takes 10 minutes after cellular respiration stops

Once the neurons die you are done

[zinc matrix]

brass or platted coper 0.8mm nozzle?

[regal pecan]

That's the claim. The reality is probably around 20-60 years, but quite probably DOA in most cases. With a fair chance of being thrown in the trash when the company goes bankrupt in 5-10 years.
You could argue government investment would change that, but even if that works out perfectly either you end up filling the place with the Bobby Koticks of the world or you spend 10% of the world's GDP on freezers.

[sand coyote]

well not really

The cooling dosent cost that much

[zinc matrix]

and cooling will become more efficient soon.

[sand coyote]

they fit multiple patients into one tube with liquid nitrogen

the tube is so well insulated that they dont even need to add more liquid nitrogen

[carmine frigate]

just shoot the cryonics into space, its the problem of aliens now

[zinc matrix]

the close space space is part of human

not aliens

[sand coyote]

i dont care about the space man i just want to live

[zinc matrix]

@carmine frigate

[sand coyote]

i dont want to die ever

[zinc matrix]

me neither

[sand coyote]

im actually afraid of being unconscious

[regal pecan]

If Julius Caeser were still alive, you might.

[foggy path]

I'm not entirely convinced cryo freezing works. We barely know how the brain functions

[sand coyote]

Thats not true

[foggy path]

Which part?

[carmine frigate]

well i dont really know how a computer functions

but i still use one

[sand coyote]

If you didnt know about the brain then none of these drugs would have worked

[carmine frigate]

also i use a brain i think

[foggy path]

What drugs?

[regal pecan]

Most people need to update their firmware.

[carmine frigate]

not sure if it really functions tho

[sand coyote]

also you dont need to know how the brain works to assume that consciousness is lost forever once the brain cells die

So the goal is to preserve the cells before they decompose

[foggy path]

Yeah but you also can't really say for 100% sure that with our lacking understanding how brains and consciousness works that you would be the same after unfreezing

[sand coyote]

depends

[carmine frigate]

well it costs about 100$ a month or something and u can have ur head frozen when u die

[broken sigil]

No one still has any clue what consciousness even is

[foggy path]

Pretty sure it's just electrical signal patterns that occur in the specific configuration of your brain cells

:D

[regal pecan]

"We've frozen and revived a mouse under laboratory conditions."
"So we'll just stuff your grandparent's decapitated head into a freezer at the same temperature. It'll be fine."

[sand coyote]

As i said its safe to assume that consciousness is either stored or a result of neurons. So if you preserve the neurons before they die then the consciousness is preserved

[foggy path]

that assumes that freezing for long duration doesn't damage them

[sand coyote]

Yes

thats why they dont freeze. They vitrify

[foggy path]

considering they only recently discovered neurons are significantly more complex than previously thought, I wouldn't bet on it at this point :D

[sand coyote]

they drain all liquids from your body including blood. And inject a medical antifreeze

before putting you into the liquid nitrogen

[foggy path]

I remember hearing about this stuff since the 90s and it seems like it hasn't advanced at all since then

[sand coyote]

the antifreeze has advanced a bit

[foggy path]

so I'm not sure if this is a serious science at this stage

or just a way to get rich people to pay a ton of money for something that might or might not work :D

[sand coyote]

But the reason for it not advancing is because no large company or government is investing on it

[broken sigil]

It's difficult to assume what consciousness is because even the best scientists in the world still don't have definitive answer

It could be a pattern of electrical signals or something else entirely we are still not aware of

[sand coyote]

there are like 3-4 small companies that are doing all of the work

imagine what could have been accomplished if apple puts its trillion dollar resources into it

[foggy path]

I guess it's not as cool as shooting phallic shaped objects into space or you'd see Bezos spending his fortunes in it

[carmine frigate]

i dont like apple products

[sand coyote]

so ?

[broken sigil]

Or all of it could be just a simulation 👀

[carmine frigate]

i want my head preserved by android

[sand coyote]

Saying that this is all a simulation is the exact same thing as saying there is a god and afterlife where things are better

This is pathetic

it bases itself on “hope”

Hope of there is something better

[foggy path]

The reality is that you're actually generating the entire universe including this conversation with your own head and that's all that exists

[sand coyote]

“my life sucks so when i die i just wake up and it turns out its a simulation”

Its the exact same thing that religions said

literally the same

Just worded for a 21st century audience

[foggy path]

What about reincarnation

[broken sigil]

If it's a simulation or not does matter for you, when you die you will cease to exist either way

[carmine frigate]

but my computer is strong enough to simulate a n64 so it all checks out

[regal pecan]

"Other people die, but not me!"

[sand coyote]

Reincarnation, simulation, afterlife. All are the same

just hopeful thinking

[regal pecan]

There is overwhelming evidence nothing special happens when other people die.

[foggy path]

well reincarnation doesn't really function that way, most religions with reincarnation are about karma so if you're a shitty person you'll reincarnate as something shitty

[sand coyote]

why would a lifeform have a second chance on living

explain.

this universe was not made for you

[foggy path]

the idea of living forever kinda makes it sound like it was made for you

:P

[broken sigil]

How is simulation hopeful, it's the most "scary" option out of all of them

If it's a simulation it doesn't mean you are gonna wake up from it, you are a part of it

[regal pecan]

Reincarnation amuses me when it opens up the possibility there is only one soul in the entire universe, being reborn as every single organism on Earth.

[sand coyote]

I just want immortality thats all

[regal pecan]

It's recycling at its finest.

[sand coyote]

thats not efficient at all

Reproduction is inefficient

[foggy path]

but fun

[sand coyote]

The process of having lifeforms itself is inefficient

not really

life is pain

[foggy path]

so you want to be immortal why?

:P

[sand coyote]

its better not to exist in the first place

[regal pecan]

"life is pain"
"I just want immortality"

Masochist detected.

[sand coyote]

Death is worse

once you exist

[regal pecan]

This being the logic of the only advocate for cryonics in the chat.

[foggy path]

How is it worse 🤔 You just end, it can't be worse than anything

[sand coyote]

because you have a trait that makes you think death is the worst thing, when you die you lose the natural selection race

[foggy path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's just the survival instinct from the times you were a lizard

and a monke

[regal pecan]

Technically you lose at natural selection if you don't breed.

[carmine frigate]

cryonics wont make you immortal, it makes u not much at all for some period of time

prolly forever

[sand coyote]

Evolution is the ultimate form of slavery

if you die you lose

If you make kids and die you lose

[foggy path]

this is going into a very strange direction lol

[regal pecan]

Cryonics is good for Americans though. Cheaper than medical care, when you can tell people a nice scam, freeze them up, then throw them away.

[sand coyote]

The only way to win is immortality

[foggy path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-film-l3BCEsVRbLUCk

[carmine frigate]

i might be immortal

[sand coyote]

Depends

[carmine frigate]

so far i havent died

[foggy path]

how do you know

[sand coyote]

conditional immortality exists

[foggy path]

you might be a reincarnation

[carmine frigate]

nah i would know

[foggy path]

[sand coyote]

reincarnation is just wishful thinking

[regal pecan]

Immortality would really mess up reincarnation.

[sand coyote]

therefore its invalid

[broken sigil]

While the idea of death is scary I find fascinating at the same time, it's the same miracle as birth

The universe was here before we were born, it's difficult to imagine nothingness, but we experienced nothing before being born and same will happen after dying

Our brains can't perceive the concept of nothingness

[foggy path]

immortality is also wishful thinking at this point

[sand coyote]

Birth isnt a miracle. Its a curse.

its better not to exist in the first place

Life is endless torture

[foggy path]

the universe was here always, or at least the basis of it

[sand coyote]

yes

but not life forms

[foggy path]

I think that concept is also kind of hard to grasp because the idea of something existing outside of time is hard to grasp

[sand coyote]

Mass existed always but not life forms

[regal pecan]

If time was created as well as the universe, "always" may not be an adequate descriptor.

[foggy path]

I think time is just a manifestation of some phenomena resulting from the big bang

Or rather, we perceive the phenomena as time

[carmine frigate]

mayB some dont

[foggy path]

I think everything living probably perceives time the way humans do, at least assuming life as we know it

ie. electrical impulses

because that's something that is inherently dependent on time

[broken sigil]

Also the time is not a constant thing, time speeds up around gravity sources

If you were at a black hole for you maybe 2 hours pass while for a distant observer 5 years might have passed

This concept and that this has actually been proven blows my mind

[regal pecan]

There IS that interesting defect in the brain where some people exhibit no activity until you throw something at them.

[foggy path]

afaik it's enough to climb really high on earth for time to pass at a different rate

[sand coyote]

yes

[broken sigil]

Yeah

[sand coyote]

also you dont need a brain to be a life form

[carmine frigate]

also if u dig a tunnel deep enough gravity wil change

[regal pecan]

I don't quite get that one. E.g. With relativity you're not objectively faster on Everest than you are in the Marianas trench.

[broken sigil]

Stuff like time dilation just proves there is so much more to discover, everything is not as it seems and our understanding of life, universe and the concept of reality might be completely wrong

[foggy path]

Yeah I forget the specifics of it

Anyone know if there's other books similar to A Brief History of Time?

[carmine frigate]

mass slows time

[foggy path]

Eg. understandable for a layman

that book was very interesting

[carmine frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs

[broken sigil]

Mass and speed affect time
That's why even if we had light speed propulsion we would still have a massive problem

If you were to fly at light speed for 10 years and come back to Earth a lot more time would have passed for them, your generation might not even be alive anymore

[regal pecan]

To fly close to light speed, of course. To fly at light speed you'd need to be massles and divide by zero.

[shell garden]

speed doesn't "affect time"; time is a spatial dimension

the faster you travel along a spatial vector, the faster you travel along the time vector

of course, time is relative the same way space is

and mass bends time the same as it does with space

[broken sigil]

Well yeah, I'm obviously simplifying things

[shell garden]

i'm reasonably sure that general relativity disproves the possibility of traveling to the past

not because you can't travel faster than light

but because you can never travel backwards

[regal pecan]

That sounds a bit circular.

[shell garden]

it's actually linear 🙃

[broken sigil]

Yeah I've heard something like that

Too

[regal pecan]

puns

[carmine frigate]

you could make an exact copy of the past and go there tho

[shell garden]

in order to travel to the past, you would need to travel backwards on the time dimension from your starting point

given any starting point, you can only move forward, relativistically

[broken sigil]

And then we have even more weird sh**, aka quantum entanglement

How the hell is it possible for information to be transferred across unlimited distance in an instant

[foggy path]

I kinda wonder if time is the result or a similar effect as the universe expanding

which would inherently thus prevent going backwards in time unless the universe stopped expanding

[broken sigil]

Interesting idea 👀

[foggy path]

because it seems to make sense that time started at the same point as the universe started

or rather, the big bang

[shell garden]

just because your eyes are pointing in the opposite direction, doesn't mean that your motion isn't forward along a relative vector

[regal pecan]

The funny thing is they say it's not, but then they give examples that sound a hell of a lot like it is.

[shell garden]

one theory is that it's a wave in the higgs field

the obvious answer is that it's not a transfer of information; that it's not actually travel

so what is it?

i've never seen one before—no one has—but i'm guessing it's a white hole
a white hole?

[broken sigil]

I love topics like these if it wasn't obvious lol

When I have nothing to do I usually watch and read stuff about this things

[shell garden]

a black whole removes time and matter from the universe. a white hole returns it
something spewing time back into the universe?
precisely. that's why we've been experiencing these time dilation effects on board
like just then, when time repeated itself

so what is it?

only joking 🙃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0

[foggy path]

I think the idea with quantum entanglement is interesting if you think of how it relates to the state of everything pre-universe

because everything was in a single point from the perspective of how we perceive the universe

so that kinda makes me wonder whether things actually are in a single point - but we just perceive some properties of the universe which allow them to not be

[shell garden]

there's no such thing as "a single point" in physics 🙃

[broken sigil]

Well my lifetime seems exciting, we are apparently on our way to reaching AI singularity very soon and who knows to what discoveries that may lead to about universe, reality, etc..

[foggy path]

AI singularity very soon? Now that's a very optimistic view... :D

[shell garden]

remember, big bang isn't just a singularity of energy, but also of spacetime

[foggy path]

The current neural network models are actually wrong if the recent study about neuron structure is right

[broken sigil]

I mean 2045 I consider soon 😅

[shell garden]

meaning that even if time travel was possible, it would be impossible to observe the big bang, because space and time just don't exist "before" it

[foggy path]

yeah

[shell garden]

the universe, all energy, matter, space and time is in a state of reverse-convergeance 😛

[regal pecan]

"the obvious answer is that it's not a transfer of information; that it's not actually travel"
This conversation.

[cursive crypt]

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/04/open-source-audacity-deemed-spyware-over-data-collection-changes

[median wraith]

some maths guy here ?

[regal pecan]

no

[median wraith]

: (

[regal pecan]

confidence rate: 3.8 sigma

[soft night]

2+2 is 22 right hehe

[torpid star]

breaking the GPL

[deep glen]

mfw people claim that macOS and linux dont get any virusses and other threats

https://giphy.com/gifs/dean-winchester-sigh-facepalm-113RhN1oBm1yCc

https://hugelolcdn.com/hugewebcomics.com/i/26592.jpg

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-sam-winchester-jared-padalecki-dean-winchester-jensen-ackles-gif-15951467

[fluid bloom]

still no GPU

[deep glen]

https://hugelolcdn.com/hugewebcomics.com/i/26476.jpg

aww

[carmine frigate]

@median wraith what kind of math?

[median wraith]

well my issue right now is

how convert a dot product to 0 to 360 rot

[carmine frigate]

like a bounce against a normal?

[median wraith]

well yes and no

my problem right now is the forward vectors are not normalized on the same plane or something

[light spruce]

Titanium heat discoloration oh no

[light spruce]

should have just used a bike tire inner tube

[median wraith]

well, fixed my issue

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/celebration-supporters-cheer-gif-15021069

[light spruce]

I'm never sleeping again

I will do nothing but sob big manly tears into my waifu pillow

[median wraith]

waybigger than that tbh

actually had to create a 2d cross as the engine don't have it

to get the sign

after that all the angles encoding

[median wraith]

:(

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[timid relic]

Just remember it 🙂 dot(A, B) == len(A) * len(B) * cos(angle_between_A_and_B_in_radians)
So, if A and B are normalized, then what you're left with is dot(A, B) == cos(angle_between_A_and_B_in_radians).

[light spruce]

The smiley face is the important part of this equation

I won't; no one would believe that I understand math.

[primal spoke]

I thought college towns are supposed to have good food?

Well that was a lie

[carmine frigate]

instant n00dles are pretty good

[regal pecan]

Good food as rated by college students.

[timid relic]

When you get older, you just slow down instant noodles a bit, and they're still pretty good

[humble remnant]

When in college you ain't got time

[quasi mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V72WIWIjdz0

[humble remnant]

Grab those noodles and take a bite

If you're eager for mushiness just add hot water inside mouth

[timid relic]

exactly)

[primal spoke]

All the food was surprisingly expensive and poor quality nearest to the campus.

It felt...like...exploitation.

[graceful sequoia]

bingo. awww did you spend all your money on overpriced books this semester? here's a $10 hot dog

[quasi mantle]

He's half Canadian tho

That being said

I have attended his course for condoms.

Nope.

I'm an edgy person.

[graceful sequoia]

something something pry daw from cold dead hands something something

someone should just fork audacity tbh

call it libracity or something

[quasi mantle]

I mean, I installed Windows 11 in bare metal.

Just a sentiment of how edgy I am.

It's available, and I'm part of it.
Though my CPU is quite older, so I leeched it off of UUP.

[quasi mantle]

It seems like Tantacrul (the one who is a head designer in Muse Groups) received several threats.

[light spruce]

I wish Audacity didn't kinda.. you know.. suck.

[quasi mantle]

Though I'm using it on almost daily basis, it's part of my work.

I just can't give enough of a damn to learn Audition or Reaper from zero and waste time.

[light spruce]

I've got an old Mac Mini that's going to be used for the recording booth... haven't decided on any kind of software for it yet.

[quasi mantle]

The other software I mentioned above.

Since Adobe and Mac go hand in hand, Audition might be your good fit.

[drifting beacon]

I found this meme today. and good god it horrifies me

[primal spoke]

I use audition to record, but do cleanup in RX7 and master in Ozone.

[quasi mantle]

https://twitter.com/delaneykingrox/status/1411144299383644160

Delaney King ✍🏻👸🏻 (@delaneykingrox)

Let's cut through some #gamedev bullshit.

Using (purchased) asset store assets in your games isn't a sin, and shouldn't be frowned on.

Get your game done. Support content creators.

Retweets

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Likes

1055

Twitter · Jul 3, 2021, 2:06 AM

[primal spoke]

what happened to Mao?

There was a person here named mao something.

[quasi mantle]

Is this supposed to be ligma derivatives?

[primal spoke]

IDK what a ligma derivative is.

[quasi mantle]

Guess I'm expecting memes too much.

[primal spoke]

yeah IDK what you are talking about.

[light spruce]

Probably tanked his social credit score too far

Or he got that 3090 and burned down a building when he turned it on

I should get food. I also really want whiskey. I should not get whiskey.

[primal spoke]

I bout to order some Dominoes

[quasi mantle]

Is MS Surface any good for tab?

[primal spoke]

I have a samsung tab.

[quasi mantle]

I mean for power users

[primal spoke]

its fine.

[primal spoke]

which powers?

[quasi mantle]

As in superusers/sudo modding

Considering that Windows isn't as restrictive as Android / iOS

[primal spoke]

So ummm.... privileges?

like permissions?

[light spruce]

Dominoes blows!

(I actually don't know. I haven't had their pizza in forever)

[quasi mantle]

superuser permissions.
Android bundled by phones rarely grant wide open root access.

[primal spoke]

I'm literally mid order lol

[primal spoke]

ok, because power user means something else.

[primal spoke]

no, pizza hut blows.

Im gonna get a ham and pineapple me thinks.

any exotic recommendations?

from dominoes lol

[mossy nexus]

PSA: Do ***NOT *** watch 'The Tomorrow War'. Used the saved time to do anything else. Absolutely anything else.

[primal spoke]

its out on prime now?

[mossy nexus]

Unfortunately

[primal spoke]

Im going to watch it now because I have bad taste.

no ||spoilers||

[mossy nexus]

I'd say the actors give it a decent go, given the plot and script they have to deal with.

[quasi mantle]

Is it not kino?

[primal spoke]

so glad they call it ham now instead of Canadian Bacon.

like how is it bacon? Bacon is a process if I'm not mistaken.

[light spruce]

Except now it's just ham

[mossy nexus]

bacon isn't a process,

[light spruce]

as opposed to the original cut

[mossy nexus]

to get bacon you use a couple of different processes though.

[primal spoke]

ok so multiprocess?

[light spruce]

I pretty much just roll sausage and mushroom. I like salami too, but they don't really put enough on it.

[primal spoke]

ok so anchovies on half, and ham and pineapple on the other.

[primal spoke]

hmmm someone is on Keto

[mossy nexus]

depends on how much you wanna know. Basically you salt the meat. Add herbs/spices/sugars etc. Let it do it's thing for a week or so, let it dry for a few days maybe and then stick it in the smoker... mmm.. gorgeous homemade bacon 🙂 Well that's how I do my dry cure. Wet cure is the meat dunked in brine.

[primal spoke]

bang makes a keto coffee now for your gas station coffee stops.

[primal spoke]

ok so then what is uncured bacon then?

[mossy nexus]

uncured bacon would just be raw meat

[primal spoke]

thats supposed to be the better bacon.

no its not raw meat.

according to store packaging.

[mossy nexus]

if it isn't cooked or cured or dried, it's raw.

[primal spoke]

give me a sec

uncured bacon is more expensive and being taughted as a less bad bacon

[mossy nexus]

Dry cured is usually considered the best, as it has less water content and you have a much finer control of the amount of salt etc.

[primal spoke]

dry cure bacon.... jerky?

yes sir!

[mossy nexus]

Just looked into it. I have serious issued with just about everything I read. First of all, salt curing has been going on for a long time. Most of it without sodium nitrites, which was only introduced fairly recently. What they are calling Uncured Bacon is just normal cured bacon, no sodium nitrite. Sodium nitrite is an optional ingredient.

[primal spoke]

it has less carbohydrates ala sugars.

that is the major selling point of uncured bacon....low sugar.

[regal pecan]

👁️

[primal spoke]

not creepy

[mossy nexus]

I get that some people are allergic to them but other than that.. meh. You don't have to use any sugar, again it's an optional ingredient. The only 2 things you need for a salt cure is first of all the salt and second of all something to salt 😄

[primal spoke]

Problem is...in merica...sugar finds its way into everything.

but it seems to be Turbinado sugar or something like that.

or turbino

[mossy nexus]

Had a bacon business, briefly. Very satisfying, but ultimately not financially viable.

[primal spoke]

GTFOH

[regal pecan]

First I've heard of sugar in bacon. Which... at this point is just a particular cut of meat considering how the word is used.

[primal spoke]

I had a bacon business is the least 2021 thing I've heard.

[primal spoke]

lots of sugar in cheap bacon unfortunately.

I honestly don't mess with bacon...

I do pork bellies.

pork bellies are unprocessed bacon.

[mossy nexus]

Sweet cured bacon it's often referred to, but it doesn't have to be sugars. Indeed plain crappy white sugar would be useless. Dark natural sugars or molasses are the thing.

[primal spoke]

IMO...pork bellies are the way to go.

[mossy nexus]

Yup in the USA that's certainly true.

[light spruce]

If I was on keto, I wouldn't be able to eat a pizza because of all the bread

[primal spoke]

google Quest pizza and be amazed.

[regal pecan]

*frightened

[mossy nexus]

You should watch a couple of youtube videos on curing and smoking your own bacon. It's easy, and you'll never taste better bacon.

[light spruce]

I've done keto before

[primal spoke]

Quest pizza is unapologetically keto

They pack it with a ton of fiber to reduce the net carb amount.

effectively lowering the insulin spike

[primal spoke]

I should... pork bellies resemble pork chops at times. lol

[light spruce]

I'm nearly 39, 6'2" ~168. So I'm all right. Would I like to be back to like 3% body fat? Sure. But not enough to fight the slim margins

[primal spoke]

uh oh...Dominoes is doing a quality check on my pizza...Skylar might have to run it back through the conveyor.

[light spruce]

And I got distracted talking about keyboards and haven't left to get any food.

[primal spoke]

🤣 ok 3% bf...

[light spruce]

I was 145 or less back in my 20s

[primal spoke]

3% bf sounds like hormone problems tbh.

like that would cause hormonal problems.

fat secretes lots of regulating hormones into the body.

[mossy nexus]

lack of decent exersise, crappy food. easy to gain a few pounds over the years

[light spruce]

I would have to do some bullshit math to figure out about what it would have been

[primal spoke]

I"m fat rn. ngl.

[light spruce]

But it was just genetics

[primal spoke]

You drop weight fast on keto, water first, but the weight keeps coming off....its just not sustainable.

[light spruce]

yeah, the slim margins

[primal spoke]

even harder in the US....HFC in everything.

Our pickles have HFC in it.

[light spruce]

Because your minimum calories keeps going up as your body fat percentage goes down

So the window gets pretty narrow

[primal spoke]

I've heard EU won't even allow some products from US due to low quality.

Thats embarassing.

[light spruce]

Low quality is a pretty good descriptor of the US at this point

[primal spoke]

GMOs mostly, but still.

[primal spoke]

hmmmm, I wouldn't say all that now...

🇺🇸

[mossy nexus]

I wonder how's you'd react to " roll n slice " as it's known here. A decent 'morning roll', cut in two and buttered. A piece of fried Lorne Sausage popped inside the roll with your choice of condiment.

[primal spoke]

if it was here it would be prepackaged and microwaveable.

even our restaurants just open packages reheat and put on a plate.

it is some BS

[light spruce]

I would; a lot of shit is embarrassing here. Healthcare. Infrastructure. Socioeconomic disparities.

[primal spoke]

You're in US?

Healthcare. Infrastructure. Socioeconomic disparities. needs to improve.

[mossy nexus]

ugh. best breakfast roll I had was a roll with: sliced sausage [above], a couple of pieces of bacon topped off with half a cheese omelette. Feckin' really hit the spot on early mornings to work.

[light spruce]

Unless I just teleported to another country without noticing

[primal spoke]

The US has its pros though.

[mossy nexus]

Maybe you went down the wrong trouser leg of time and bifiblocated yourself?

[primal spoke]

Once you travel the world....you quickly see how westernized/americanized lots of places have become.

for better or worse.

its the culture.

for better or worse.

[mossy nexus]

it's greed. all about the money.

[primal spoke]

oh yeah and tech.

like most of all major tech used around the world is from US.

[mossy nexus]

Nope.

[primal spoke]

It always has been.

[primal spoke]

Nope what?

Not the OS, not the PC, not the fill in the blank....

FB, IG...twt...snap...etc.

I can go on.

Silicon Valley is the tech epicenter of the world still.

[light spruce]

For better and worse. It's pretty much always an and. And it's never an xor.

[mossy nexus]

All the major tech bit, just about every bit of custom high end tech I've used either came from Germany or Asia. Only USA brand tech is the normal boring shit like Apple, and all that crap. Not what I would called high tech.

[primal spoke]

cmon...really.

AWS is american bro.

so is google

and msft

and apple

and tesla by way of SA and canada

Our food is low quality, but tech is solidly US #1

[light spruce]

Tesla: Succeeding in spite of their shit QA and their dickhead CEO who can't shut up, can't follow regulations, and somehow managed to convince a bunch of cult followers that he's not of completely average intelligence.

[mossy nexus]

and what? The multi billion manufacturing plants throughout the rest of the world don't count or something, plus where do you think all the stuff these companies make comes from? Mainly from overseas, from your point of view. A lot of your tech is made outside of the USA 🙂 Much of it inside the USA is made within your penal system too. Got to love modern slavery.

[primal spoke]

The electric car cam 100+ years ago.

[primal spoke]

No inmates are writing javascript

cmon

I'm talking the technology you and I use.

innovation.

[regal pecan]

Software vs hardware

[primal spoke]

Im aware of terrible business practices...

[regal pecan]

I don't hear so much about hardware bugs. Yet software bugs...

[mossy nexus]

Okay fair enough, but let's not call it major tech. Just common tech 🙂

[light spruce]

Well, fuck me. Apparently basically everything closes at 2200 now

[primal spoke]

I don't condone unfair laws or mistreatment of humans.

no major tech it is.

its not minor by any stretch.

[mossy nexus]

To whom?

[primal spoke]

FB has 70% of the wealth of social media on the internet.

[regal pecan]

That sounds like a bad thing.

[primal spoke]

not done

[mossy nexus]

In the 1st world countries it is minor. In the 3rd world countries it's major.

[primal spoke]

Because it has connected the human race in a greater capacity than ever before, for better or worse.

[mossy nexus]

for sure

[primal spoke]

Your PC originated in America with Woz.

The internet was DARPA.

dude I can go on and on with tech

The US has Tech on lock....

Not saying that can't change, but the last 60 or 70 years has been US tech driving the world. OMG COBOL with the financial system.

grace hopper.

The US didn't do it alone though. Immigration is honestly what set the US apart from other countries.

Epic Games 🤣

[light spruce]

Well. I'm going to steal a mirror and make coffee since I'm apparently not getting food anywhere.

[primal spoke]

my dominoes came

[light spruce]

Did Jane come too?

I guess this is my cue to fire up Krita.

[shell garden]

🔥 krita 🔥

problem solved

[shell garden]

Are you writing hardware drivers in markdown?

[light spruce]

@sterile mesa #rules 1, 4

[raw barn]

lol nah you do business like that, you get outed, pretty simple

doesn't really matter what field you work in tbh

[light spruce]

Just pointing out what's in the server rules; not my job to police them or agree/disagree with them.

[knotty harbor]

@turbid spindle

How go use this bot...

[proud jay]

well, it says in it's description how to, just send !help in a dm to him

[torpid star]

should I?

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-18568595

[quasi mantle]

!8ball Are flying cars possible?

[turbid spindle]

@quasi mantle, :8ball: It is decidedly so.

[torpid star]

!8ball is this the real cpp?

[turbid spindle]

@torpid star, :8ball: Cannot predict now.

[torpid star]

!8ball be honest

[turbid spindle]

@torpid star, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[torpid star]

knew it

[quasi mantle]

!8ball is this the C# channel?

[turbid spindle]

@quasi mantle, :8ball: As I see it, yes.

[shell garden]

obviously yes. how else will your wiki become an operating system?

[light spruce]

It's not about lions. It's about family.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-if-you-smell-what-the-rock-is-cookin-wwe-smack-down-gif-12397215

[soft night]

Hobbs is cooking right @shell garden

[humble remnant]

Finally octopussy

[median wraith]

all my gens

except 2 👀

[lucid walrus]

Is one of them a Matrox Mystique?

[zinc matrix]

yellow

[median wraith]

noope is a 9800GTX+

first GTX gen I think

by Point of View

nice quality, best one I had

[faint dock]

that's what cerveza does to your GPU

[zinc matrix]

oh ok?

i was just saying hello

[faint dock]

i thought you meant the gpu's

because they look like they've seen A LOT of spanish sun

[zinc matrix]

that makes sense

[faint dock]

and cerveza ofc

[median wraith]

lol

that's the 480

worst GPU I ever had

is actually black and does a strange reflection

also one of my case fans died

[faint dock]

i have not so fond memories of taking the subway in barcelona

in july

at midday

i think it had like 45 deg c down there

i can barely cool my shit during 30 deg c days

[median wraith]

lol

finally

now can play doom rtx

😆

[faint dock]

YOU BOUGHT A NEW GPU????

you must be rich

[median wraith]

I bought a 3070

ti

[faint dock]

whoa

[median wraith]

it costed me almost the base price

was in stock now is gone

[deep glen]

@faint dock permission to make a joke

[faint dock]

i'am glancing over to your fancy car, while you're overtaking me in my 1080

@deep glen permission granted

[deep glen]

XD

[median wraith]

hahaah

[deep glen]

@stone saddle would love that joke

[faint dock]

i think you should rename me to '@all

or was it @ everybody

[deep glen]

dont remind me :p

ok, afk. dinner

[faint dock]

have fun with your pig half

or whatever is cooking on your bbq

[deep glen]

eating vegetarian mexican foods today to compensate

[faint dock]

tasty 🤤

[deep glen]

<_< cat vomited in my shoe.
guess how i found out.

🤢

[faint dock]

it's a message

[median wraith]

well after try Quake 2 RTX

the cost of this GPUs for this is kinda meh

aside from dev speeds etc I don't see this any time soon to use it myself for realtime GI or so

[faint dock]

you could've wired me EUR 100 and i would've told you that

[median wraith]

lol

still needed the GPU for work and because mine was the 970GTX

I had 10FPS for a client project

on a 720p

[faint dock]

you're not running the 3070ti with a core duo, right?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_Duo

[median wraith]

well the i7 needs to be changed

I want to get a Ryzen

@deep glen does AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU gave you any issue ?

[faint dock]

no

[median wraith]

a friend told me is a nightmare to make it work ?

but no idea why or how

[faint dock]

hell no

i've got a TR and a 1080

no problems whatsoever

[median wraith]

this was my first CPU

the Core 2 Duo

[faint dock]

this one was my first CPU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_68000

[median wraith]

COD WAW load screens from DLCs had written ads from Core 2 Quad RUNS BETTER

[median wraith]

XD

[unborn lotus]

Well is it better than 2 fps like im getting? 😆

[median wraith]

70FPS here

on 1440p

does this have DLSS ?

no clue

still with 70FPS feels strange

like it don't responds correctly

returns the same FPS of Hunt Showdown basically

😆

back in the days when started doing modding I remember to make COD maps the more detailed the better, at the end the job that took you a lot result kinda worst than what you thought it looked, anyway the idea was to the more content the better

and with the time I started to think the other way

I think happened the same right now after check the illumination

[median wraith]

what GPU do you have ?

[unborn lotus]

1060 6gb 😆 any card is an upgrade

But i think ill get the 3080 ti

[median wraith]

oh yeah isn't even RT so

[unborn lotus]

For the vram0

Yeah

[median wraith]

yeah Hunt Showdown at max took me almost 6GB of Vram

8GB of VRam feels a bit odd

to be a TI version

[unborn lotus]

HL alyx can fill up to 10

I think vr is the future so its good to have

[median wraith]

lets see how many FPS got on my project

👀

100FPS

the 970GTX used to gave 80 here

what the hell

also this plugin is kinda cool

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/niagara-ui-renderer

Requested this time ago to someone

but seems like a guy did it

tbh I thought it could be better but seems like no XD

[drifting beacon]

@quasi mantle I was specifically making fun of the AAA game that did this. The recent call of Cthulhu

[median wraith]

And on this case seems to be limited by CPU

well the remasters no idea

XD

[drifting beacon]

Also there is no problem with asset flips

Also

[median wraith]

@unborn lotus Cry in CPU's

[drifting beacon]

Like literally the article is some guy Ranting about indie losing its meaning because somehow indie means small scope... like it's probably the dumbest ign article I have ever read

[cursive crypt]

Have you ordered a GPU at the end? 🤔

[median wraith]

yep

actually got it today, thought it will be like in 20 days

[cursive crypt]

So... what is it? 🙂

[median wraith]

a GPU

👀

xd

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/flip-table-table-flip-angry-mad-gif-10212356

[median wraith]

better than the 970

but worst than expected

as cost basically x2 of what the 970 used to cost me

but the perfromance isn't x2

😆

that's my problem

need a CPU with cores everywhere

Did you ever wonder how the default texture looks without filtering ?

[cursive crypt]

Looks wrong. Even a 8 core CPU does not need 1h to open a Blank project, lol

[median wraith]

took me 1h yesterday

with 4 cores

[cursive crypt]

[median wraith]

and today will be a long day

need to recompile everything as enabled the GPU lightmaps

Marketplace needs to recompile shaders too

it's like that since 10min ago

fun fact non black projects take more

but after load it needs to compile per level shaders

so how it makes sense ?

nobody knows

at least UE5 does it properly

wish the GPU could compute his own shaders

👀

[cursive crypt]

gpu compiler sounds neat, but sounds kinda pita to make.

[median wraith]

if you move from 4.17 to 4.20 the shader compile times comes basically at x2 cost

[unborn lotus]

@median wraith can you test out the gpu lightmass baking too?

[median wraith]

the whole structure seems kinda a mess as everything depends of everything

@unborn lotus is there some generic scene ?

[unborn lotus]

No just wondering how fast it is 😁

[median wraith]

still loading

[median wraith]

200 years later

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN683sShPKI&ab_channel=TestingGames

not sure if this are the integraded GPUs or not

the cpu acts better than GPU than cpu xd

with that you can do a 600€ computer

[median wraith]

also still loading

😂

about 1h already

[median wraith]

when that loaded this have to load

Did you ever ask yourself what the hell is loading if after load have to reload ?

what the hell

[cursive crypt]

Maybe your card is not rtx

[median wraith]

lol

[unborn lotus]

Did you restart? Mayve you have to recompile some more lol

[median wraith]

oh there is after restart

still compiling 5k shaders

2h you spend with a 4cores

feels nice

maybe you baked the world 2 times with it already

[unborn lotus]

nice I really want to try

3080 Ti's got down to 1690 euro, 1-2 weeks and I'm jumping in

[median wraith]

meh

x2 the cost of what I paid for 2 or 4GB of ram