lounge

[shell garden]

honestly it's amazing it still has a store page at all

[primal spoke]

You prototype, playtest externally and then you will know if your game is viable.

[shell garden]

this explains so much

[primal spoke]

Don't develop in a vacum.

[shell garden]

it's also anime, right?

[muted oracle]

like what

my profile picture is literally a furry

wow astonishing

[primal spoke]

I burned 3K on my last prototype but it saved me money in the long run because external playtesting proved the main concept sucked.

[shell garden]

yah i dunno either but i'm gonna guess it was a random humble bundle

[primal spoke]

3K of a 15k budget.

[muted oracle]

my roblox oufit cost me nothing anyway

[shell garden]

i have a whole bunch of games in my steam library that no longer have store pages

[muted oracle]

i get paid hundreds to do some scripting work for my friends studio

so its not a problem

[shell garden]

first, answer the question. is your furry maid also anime?

[muted oracle]

whats that supposed to mean

its a furry in a maid outfit

[steady vortex]

@primal spoke Indeed. I make builds and post them and ask people to fill out surveys. I get some decent feedback sometimes, but you know how it is. You make a build and some people just don't care to play it. Getting people to test builds is like getting people to look at funny links or music you made. They might for the first few links but after a while they ignore haha

[quasi mantle]

Not from any anime that I'm aware of.

[muted oracle]

[shell garden]

doesn't have to be FROM an anime, just drawn in an anime style

[muted oracle]

what do you mean

drawn

[primal spoke]

You can pay playtesters.

[muted oracle]

its a fucking roblox avatar

[shell garden]

oh wow that makes it even worse

[primal spoke]

You'll save/make more money in the end.

[mossy nexus]

now now, sweary words not required

[muted oracle]

whatever troll

[cursive crypt]

wtf is going on here

[primal spoke]

🍿

[quasi mantle]

My avatar is the tomboy idol of my love.
Sheeee

[mossy nexus]

no idea 😄

[quasi mantle]

[cursive crypt]

roblox, furries, animes, money, chaos

[steady vortex]

@primal spoke I have no budget to do so my friend. Hence why I'm in a state of analysis paralysis. Do I take time (months with no pay), make a game for it to be shadowed? Or Just make hyper casual games and flood the market haha

[soft night]

Seller Avatar is you all

[shell garden]

and it's hilarious that you don't realise why "my roblox character is a furry in a maid outfit" explains everything about your membership of the cult

[quasi mantle]

I want to kill Chaos.

[primal spoke]

No budget games....sigh

[soft night]

rider republic look amazing

[primal spoke]

Make some money to invest in your game.

[quasi mantle]

Drink everytime that Final Fantasy Origins trailer say Chaos

[shell garden]

exactly what a cult leader would say

[steady vortex]

@primal spoke Yeah thanks man, I'll get right on it.

[primal spoke]

#sarcasm eh?

[foggy path]

I'm making a no budget game as well and I don't even want to invest money into it because fuck spending money on some dumb ass hobby project which will probably never make a dime lol

[mossy nexus]

!8ball is this sarcasm ?

[turbid spindle]

@mossy nexus, :8ball: Better not tell you now.

[quasi mantle]

Nah, only FF15 is the series starting remotely action heavy.

[foggy path]

I mean I might spend some small amount of money on it at best

[quasi mantle]

FF7R started to get more action heavy though.

[muted oracle]

or you know, you could just be tolerant and respectful of other developers

[mossy nexus]

!8ball is roblox a scam?

[turbid spindle]

@mossy nexus, :8ball: Most likely.

[shell garden]

from my email

[quasi mantle]

[steady vortex]

@primal spoke I'll say, even if I had money, to pay people to playtest my game, it's the time investment. Even if the testers gave it rave reviews, it's still a slight gamble. So does that mean I should just make the bloody thing just to make it? I dunno about you, but you can only eat so much Kraft Dinner to cut costs haha

[shell garden]

2012

[quasi mantle]

The truth has never been spoken from a bot

[foggy path]

I get friends and people who are interested in the game in general to playtest mostly :P

[shell garden]

i'm the one in the middle

[primal spoke]

Priorities man, play testing prototypes is required to know if the game is viable.

[shell garden]

you have friends?

[primal spoke]

if the game isn't viable to begin with, don't do it.

[muted oracle]

theres a couple of communities that will playtest games for free but i only know of the roblox ones

[primal spoke]

regardless of budget.

[mossy nexus]

You have other people?

[quasi mantle]

!8ball Is NFT a multi level marketing nonsense?

[turbid spindle]

@quasi mantle, :8ball: Don't count on it.

[shell garden]

yeah but it's not a cult 🤷‍♀️

[muted oracle]

its a bunch of volunteer people who like playing and testing new games

[quasi mantle]

Not really, it's more like prequel to FF1.

[muted oracle]

so not really

[shell garden]

subtext really isn't this guy's strong suit is it?

[quasi mantle]

Just like how FF7 Crisis Core a prequel to the main FF7 story.

[mossy nexus]

!8ball is roblox basically a gameified version of Earth 2?

[turbid spindle]

@mossy nexus, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[stark anchor]

!8ball are you ever right?

[turbid spindle]

@stark anchor, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[shell garden]

ooh second life

with string, i'm guessing

[muted oracle]

it doesnt because dreamworld is a game and roblox is an enterprise

[quasi mantle]

Defamation of Manny Mannequin?

[muted oracle]

you could make a game on roblox and do the same stuff as dreamworld

[mossy nexus]

Earth 2 where you buy pretend money to buy a jpg that you can sell. The devs take a cut of the trade. If you cash out they charge you x amount. It's a money printing game...

[muted oracle]

wouldn’t be any different

[quasi mantle]

Can you make archvis in Roblox?

[primal spoke]

I've never played roblox ever. but im old.

[muted oracle]

?

[quasi mantle]

I'm somewhat young but never played Roblox either

[mossy nexus]

LIES!! it would probably be better than the devs have currently to be fair.. 😄

[muted oracle]

im 20 and i like to make games

[shell garden]

can't spell "non fungible token" without "fun"

[primal spoke]

I played minecraft with my kid yesterday.

[quasi mantle]

I'm 2 years older.

Technically I'm a 90s (born) kid.

[muted oracle]

i don’t like minecraft

[primal spoke]

I bought it for my kids, so.

[mossy nexus]

My grandnephew is 22.

[primal spoke]

minecraft is like wholesome.

to me at least.

[muted oracle]

i like roblox because you can make a roblox game, or make a game with roblox

[quasi mantle]

I'm your grandnephew 😮

[muted oracle]

i do the latter

i mean that you can make a game that obviously looks like roblox, with roblox character and typical design

or make a game thats entirely different with no visual connection to roblox other than the fact its playable on roblox

[primal spoke]

roblox = lua

IK that much

[quasi mantle]

I don't play Roblox, but play Fortnite.

Sometimes.

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5102037

[shell garden]

OR you could , you know, make a GOOD game

[muted oracle]

you can make good games on roblox

its got a pretty powerful game engine

[mossy nexus]

in the Goodot engine.........

[shell garden]

so is unity

[quasi mantle]

Honestly I only get around 10% Victory Royale rate around my time playing FN

[muted oracle]

so what

[quasi mantle]

Can Roblox do true ray tracing?

[muted oracle]

you don’t have to use unity to make a good game

[primal spoke]

never played fortnite either.

[shell garden]

you can make some pretty impressive games in goddamn turbobasic

[muted oracle]

and you don’t have to use roblox to make a bad game

[primal spoke]

I like to create more than play, tbh.

[quasi mantle]

Heck, even Assembly x86

[muted oracle]

so theres no point

[mossy nexus]

push 1

[shell garden]

yes, roblox 3d prints games in realtime, and sends videographed images back to the player

[shell garden]

chip8

[primal spoke]

🤣

[mossy nexus]

been a looooong time since I did machine code stuff

[quasi mantle]

Wait, how do I do triple tilde in Assembly?

[muted oracle]

you can kinda do raytracing on roblox but I’m talking about rendering, not realtime

they don’t support RT yet

[quasi mantle]

Sike, we're talking about realtime

[muted oracle]

i have written some raytracing demos in roblox though

roblox has to run on poop computers too

[quasi mantle]

or wet roads

[muted oracle]

but it looks pretty good

[mossy nexus]

machine code -> COBOL -> PASCAL -> C . That was my start in all this crazy computer stuff

[muted oracle]

on max quality setting

[quasi mantle]

So does Unreal Engine 4

[muted oracle]

yea i know

[shell garden]

you missed the joys of 8bit basic

[quasi mantle]

I jumped straight to C++

[muted oracle]

but they have issues with compatibility

because they update regularly on several platforms

[mossy nexus]

Did that at home when I was a kid

[quasi mantle]

Granted, my first ever OS was Windows 98.

[primal spoke]

OG

[muted oracle]

i started with C# in unity, basic python, and roblox lua

[cursive crypt]

Why so late?

[muted oracle]

but i stuck with roblox for a while

[mossy nexus]

Windows will never replace DOS... what nonsense... good times

[soft night]

95SE to be precize fuel

[cursive crypt]

But DOS?

[quasi mantle]

I wasn't even using Windows XP until late 2005

[primal spoke]

isn't there still DOS code in windows tho?

[muted oracle]

i already sent images of my path tracer in roblox

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853153769503326238/853490086221316096/unknown.png

[shell garden]

cp/m or gtfo

[shell garden]

c64?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/windows95-dancing-dance-moves-dj-music-gif-17348385

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... well, you at least got a head start 🤔

[mossy nexus]

there is a faked commandline interface yeah. It basically is the same thing though

[mossy nexus]

Speccy

[shell garden]

nice

[quasi mantle]

Once I get my hands on Windows XP, I was playing (and made my first mod in) Bejeweled 2 quite a lot.
Then Doom came in.

[muted oracle]

good

[shell garden]

all those sexy palette clash graphics

[cursive crypt]

Congrats for winning the game

[primal spoke]

Did someone make the claim roblox is a comparable engine to UE?

[muted oracle]

rigged meshes cap at 60k triangles
no film quality assets allowed but you don’t need film quality in roblox

[quasi mantle]

[muted oracle]

you can export multiple meshes

[shell garden]

if someone did, it was @muted oracle. he's just been promoted to a grand wizard of the sacred order of roblox

[quasi mantle]

Can you illegally put Megascans into Roblox?

[muted oracle]

no and why would you

[mossy nexus]

I know I said when I was a kid... but that was when I was only a handful of years younger than Wulfe here. I first started on the ZX81 when I was 10 is.

[quasi mantle]

No megascans = no approve from yours truly.

[muted oracle]

you don’t need a hundred thousand polygons in a roblox game asset

[primal spoke]

grand wizard of the sacred order not what you think it is. google it. 🤦‍♂️ @shell garden

[mossy nexus]

How? the things were indestructible

[muted oracle]

i started at 9

[quasi mantle]

I first started modding games when I was 7 years old.

[shell garden]

nah you're thinking of the dick smith wizzard, and that was a rebranded creativision

[mossy nexus]

I remember jumping up and down on mine repeatedly as it refused to load games 😄

[muted oracle]

although initially it was really only with python scripts

and when i was 11 i got into roblox scriptin

[shell garden]

technically the wizzard/creativision was the first games console i used, at the age of 3 or so

[mossy nexus]

I was a very skinny kid, a feather probably weighed more than I did

[primal spoke]

lua at 11?

[shell garden]

i started with basic on the amstrad cpc when i was 5

[muted oracle]

yea the first thing i made was “EVIL NUKE KILLS ALL”

[cursive crypt]

Some butt measuring contest going on

[muted oracle]

something stupid like that

[quasi mantle]

7 y o -> Bejeweled 2, followed by Doom
11 y o -> Game Maker 7.x, a bit of C++
14 y o -> Unity
17 y o -> Unreal Engine 4

[muted oracle]

it just unanchored all the objects in the world and made explosion sounds

[primal spoke]

wow. my finger was still in my nose at 11.

[muted oracle]

i can send you the object

one second

[mossy nexus]

see they got ya when you were a kid... not what cults do... 😉 😄 😄 😋

[shell garden]

LUXURY. i didn't even have fingers until i was 15

[mossy nexus]

I still don't have a nose

[primal spoke]

What kind of humor is this?

[muted oracle]

https://www.roblox.com/library/261128234/THE-SUPER-ULTRA-MEGA-TROLLING-NUKE

[shell garden]

i never went far with basic

[quasi mantle]

No, I was a reincarnation of a programmer who died in the eighties.

[muted oracle]

i made this waaaay back

[shell garden]

ask the four yorkshiremen

[muted oracle]

on my first account

i was a little wee baby man so obviously cringe name

[shell garden]

"mega trolling nuke"

[muted oracle]

need a roblox account

plus roblox studio

[quasi mantle]

Not ripped from a PS2 game, right?

[muted oracle]

what was ripped?

[mossy nexus]

Now I can't get the image of a North Yorkshire Death out of my head ....

[cursive crypt]

I think we have Roblox agent undercover here, promoting the last few hours, lol

[shell garden]

most i did with basic was optimise other people's code, which i had hand-typed in from books and magazines

[muted oracle]

i just edited scripts off of free assets

[primal spoke]

man kids nowadays, writing operatings systems and stuff before they go to middle school. lol

[quasi mantle]

captain obvious says yes.

[muted oracle]

that nuke was my first solo script

[shell garden]

now i'm thinking terry pratchett's death with a yorkshire accent

[mossy nexus]

exactly

[cursive crypt]

Well, still young in the career. Sometimes direct approach is the best.

[soft night]

did you guys know that earth core is forming lopside

[shell garden]

i never really enjoyed qbasic/quickbasic but i got use out of it

[muted oracle]

[shell garden]

i taught myself pascal via delphi and borland turbopascal

[soft night]

our earth

[quasi mantle]

I remember back when I was 8, making an exploding asteroid in 3D Studio Max, using a book I read back then.

[soft night]

have being doing so for 30years

[shell garden]

oh, and i wrote stuff in microsoft quickpascal too

[cursive crypt]

Earth is square everyone knows it.

[shell garden]

not qpascal, quickpascal 😛

[primal spoke]

This is roblox to me:

[mossy nexus]

did you know that the lopsided earth core is due to Earth being impacted by a really really big asteroid a long time ago

[shell garden]

it was a more advanced editor than quickbasic

[quasi mantle]

No.
Earth is Enix.

[shell garden]

and of course a compiled-only language

[muted oracle]

i made so much weird shit

https://www.roblox.com/library/314236619/Upside-Downer

[mossy nexus]

Dark basic ftw

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/bluey-bingo-sleepytime-planet-earth-gif-21095119

[quasi mantle]

Also Game Maker 7.x

[muted oracle]

damn he done pissed in the entire earth

[quasi mantle]

That was my first game engine I ever touched and worked with.

[shell garden]

i gave up on pascal when i was getting a weird error relating to an array of strings. when i later learnt C, i finally understood what was going on

[muted oracle]

i used rpgmaker and game maker but never liked either of them

[shell garden]

null pointer dereference

[muted oracle]

tried Scratch and Snap*!* too

[shell garden]

but i switched from pascal to python

[primal spoke]

paid tools right?

[muted oracle]

yea but not that expensive

one time payment anyway

[quasi mantle]

Paid tool, but I was pirating it.
You know, being a third world country kid.

[primal spoke]

lifetime updates?

[muted oracle]

i picked them up but dropped them after a while

[shell garden]

python was my fastest language to learn. 2 days and i had completed a 2-player mastermind game with both console and tk user interfaces

[muted oracle]

still prefered roblox cuz it was more fun to develop and play

[mossy nexus]

How many kidneys do you have?

[shell garden]

so when will roblox be ported to python? 🙃

[primal spoke]

Third world? Not aligned with US or Soviets?

[muted oracle]

python is mega slow

[quasi mantle]

None, probably

[mossy nexus]

lol

[quasi mantle]

Not even close.
We were like the last bit out of WW2.

[muted oracle]

i literally have a statically typed module in roblox that can generate large data trees in microseconds

[quasi mantle]

Japan invasion in 1942 until 1945, but that's about it, in terms of WW2 related.

[primal spoke]

Pricing isn't different where you are?

I know some platforms offer lower prices by location.

[quasi mantle]

I don't think it was different even back then.

[shell garden]

python has its cons, sure, but i still enjoy it more than any other language

[muted oracle]

its easier to program with

[shell garden]

and speed-wise it's improved a HUGE amount since i started using it

[quasi mantle]

It was the year 2008 or so, my 9 year old brain barely understand those legal stuff 😛

[muted oracle]

but python is heavily iterator oriented

[shell garden]

and?

[muted oracle]

doing things without iterators can hinder performance, but using too many iterators also hinders performance

[shell garden]

iterators are highly efficient when used appropriately

[cursive crypt]

Is that some waifu?

[primal spoke]

You were pirating game dev software at 9!?

[muted oracle]

plus lack of optimization by utilizing only dynamic typing

[primal spoke]

wait wut?

[shell garden]

dude just say you don't know the first thing about object-oriented programming language design. it's faster

[primal spoke]

static typing = not optimized as opposed to dynamic typing?

[muted oracle]

no

[cursive crypt]

True ftfy

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, and I don't even release a game with it, just used to learn the basics of it, after modding Doom by myself.
It's what I have back then. A shitty Windows XP computer, and internet connection.

[muted oracle]

dynamic slower and allocates inefficiently

[cursive crypt]

True!

[muted oracle]

also slower to read and write from type checks

[quasi mantle]

Things have changed 13 years later

[muted oracle]

roblox is optimizing lua by introducing static typing with Luau

and they improved iterator, global, method call performance

[shell garden]

if you need to use type checking in your python runtime code, you're probably doing something wrong

[cursive crypt]

If it looks like a duck, it is a chicken

[quasi mantle]

Now getting to use and make the most out of Unreal Engine 4, for legally free, 13 years later.
If it weren't from modding Doom and pirating Game Maker 7, I won't ended up here.

[muted oracle]

its very very close

read about it on their github page

https://luau-lang.org/

I’m not gonna say what they already said

[cursive crypt]

I dunno why, but I f hate Lua*

[primal spoke]

I've only used lua once to make a gui for a DAW.

[muted oracle]

lua is hot garbage i agree

[primal spoke]

its meh.....

[muted oracle]

but Luau is much better

[quasi mantle]

So please don't blame my 9 year old self for being a guilty-innocent not rich kid @primal spoke

[muted oracle]

performance and design wise

[shell garden]

luau is a polished turd

[cursive crypt]

big brain move, if you have the money why not develop something on your own?

[primal spoke]

its more impressive than anything tbh.

[muted oracle]

theyre working on better optimizations because Luau is wip

[pearl elk]

thats offensive to turds

[primal spoke]

Instead of stealing candy you were stealing software to create stuff.

[muted oracle]

it should be a lot closer when they eventually enforce static types

[cursive crypt]

turd here, can confirm

[muted oracle]

instead of having loose types

[shell garden]

"lua is hot garbage" luau is hot garbage that's been left out to go cold, and then reheated

[muted oracle]

but its already very fast

[muted oracle]

thats just your opinion

[primal spoke]

SO TRUE lol

[shell garden]

sTaTiC tYpEs ArE tHe OnLy WaY tO mAkE fAsT cOdE

[cursive crypt]

haha, burn Lua-derivatives

[mossy nexus]

latex?

ahh

[muted oracle]

also

[shell garden]

agreed, LaTeX is nice

[muted oracle]

Worth noting is that Luau is focused on, first and foremost, stable high performance code in interpreted context. This is because JIT compilation is not available on many platforms Luau runs on, and AOT compilation would only work for code that Roblox ships (and even that does not always work). This is in stark contrast with LuaJIT that, while providing an excellent interpreter as well, focuses a lot of the attention on JIT (with many optimizations unavailable in the interpreter).

[primal spoke]

Its often used just for safety also.

See TS.

not speed

[cursive crypt]

Soo... LaTeX > luamua

[muted oracle]

what

[muted oracle]

agreed

auto type rejection and easier to document

as well as compile time errors

[shell garden]

eAsIeR tO dOcUmEnT

[muted oracle]

luau is still in development but it does work in roblox

[cursive crypt]

Every game and engine should invent their own language

[quasi mantle]

Is it a "fake" GitHub repo?

[shell garden]

i get the "static typing for safety" concept, but it's also more susceptible to exploits

[quasi mantle]

Unreal used to have UnrealScript before UE4

[muted oracle]

Luau eventually plans to implement JIT on some platforms, but this is subject to careful memory safety analysis and is likely to not be deployed for client-side scripts, as the extra risk involved in JITs is much more pronounced when it may affect players.

[cursive crypt]

They will have now Skooma aka Verse script

[primal spoke]

Yes but it was a mess. Interop issues big time.

[shell garden]

points at c-strings

[muted oracle]

you can use Luau in roblox studio so its not fake

[cursive crypt]

Just buy it

[quasi mantle]

Confession: I only know Skooma from Oblivion speedruns

[muted oracle]

its just not open source yet

[shell garden]

yeah yeah

true

[cursive crypt]

Originally it was called uhm... Skokum script or something, which is basically Skooma

[muted oracle]

Luau features a very highly tuned portable bytecode interpreter. It’s similar to Lua interpreter in that it’s written in C, but it’s highly tuned to yield efficient assembly when compiled with Clang and latest versions of MSVC. On some workloads it can match the performance of LuaJIT interpreter which is written in highly specialized assembly.

[primal spoke]

c = simple, until its not.

[quasi mantle]

Some are still questioning whether Verse is a spiritual successor to Skookum Script, but I'd say it's bloody obvious.

[shell garden]

also: static typing begs the question of how big your types are

[muted oracle]

they can contain object definitions, recursive definitions, so on

also templated definitions

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-valve-steam-big-picture-mode-ifunny-ironic-ifunny-gif-caption-gif-21723787

[quasi mantle]

The reason why I hated python
I'd rather take semi colons over being pedantic over indentation.

[muted oracle]

type BasicPointer<T> = {Value: T}

[quasi mantle]

Also, is there any code obfuscation for Python, if it exists at all?

[cursive crypt]

Tripple = or bust

[shell garden]

does luau's "static type" stuff allow for arbitrarily large integers?

or will there be overflow exceptions?

[soft night]

not just that ´:=´but ´:=)´

[muted oracle]

not yet because they have not implemented a LONG type

[primal spoke]

is that even a thing anywhere?

[shell garden]

that's not what "long" means

[shell garden]

python

[primal spoke]

how
?

[muted oracle]

i mean long is fairly large enough as it is

more than enough for most use cases

[shell garden]

"fairly large" is not "does not overflow"

[soft night]

!8ball are there pointers on Cpython?

[turbid spindle]

@soft night, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[primal spoke]

You can't make an arbitrarily large integer to my knowledge in any language.

[shell garden]

ask guido van rossum

[primal spoke]

Educate me NOW!

[quasi mantle]

             k;double sin()
         ,cos();main(){float A=
       0,B=0,i,j,z[1760];char b[
     1760];printf("\x1b[2J");for(;;
  ){memset(b,32,1760);memset(z,0,7040)
  ;for(j=0;6.28>j;j+=0.07)for(i=0;6.28
 >i;i+=0.02){float c=sin(i),d=cos(j),e=
 sin(A),f=sin(j),g=cos(A),h=d+2,D=1/(c*
 h*e+f*g+5),l=cos      (i),m=cos(B),n=s\
in(B),t=c*h*g-f*        e;int x=40+30*D*
(l*h*m-t*n),y=            12+15*D*(l*h*n
+t*m),o=x+80*y,          N=8*((f*e-c*d*g
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[muted oracle]

very very naisu

Due to a better bytecode design and more efficient dispatch loop it’s noticeably faster than Lua 5.x (including Lua 5.4 which made some of the changes similar to Luau, but doesn’t come close). The bytecode design was partially inspired by excellent LuaJIT interpreter. Most computationally intensive scripts only use the interpreter core loop and builtins, which on x64 compiles into ~16 KB, thus leaving half of the instruction cache for other infrequently called code.

[cursive crypt]

They should just copy-paste that LuaHell and be done with it.

[shell garden]

so it's not a JIT, it's a JIT?

[primal spoke]

Ram is broken up

now one whole ram

for sure, on disk

not ram

vm on disk not ram

[cursive crypt]

eeh

[quasi mantle]

I'm sure Python can't do this.

[shell garden]

i wonder if there's a powerful game engine available for free that uses c++

[primal spoke]

virtual memory is allocated using disk not ram.

[muted oracle]

because when youre dealing with code for 200 player servers and the world youre gonna want that performance and to be able to do parallel processing

[primal spoke]

hmmm...ok

[quasi mantle]

Unreal Engine

[shell garden]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicholas-cage-gif-13481115

[quasi mantle]

Also Gal Godot uses C++

[primal spoke]

news to me. My OS course was BS then.

[cursive crypt]

Standard Linux assumption

[primal spoke]

oh and textbooks.

[quasi mantle]

[primal spoke]

and the Prof too.

[shell garden]

you only think that because that's what microsoft decided to call the swap file in windows

[primal spoke]

IDK, I've always thought virtual mem was on disk, but hey I could be wrong.

[quasi mantle]

Except page files does not require separate partition
Which admittedly can cause some issues

[shell garden]

virtualised memory is essential for running x86 32bit ("protected mode") applications, and even more important for 64bit

[cursive crypt]

You are def wrong, lol

[shell garden]

yah and technically linux swap partitions don't need to be partitions either 🙃

[quasi mantle]

But most of Linux installation, myself included (YES, I use Linux in VM), has swap partitions to be a separate partition.

[muted oracle]

[shell garden]

yah because that's the best way to do it with a spinning disk

[quasi mantle]

Admittedly having it a separate partition is more elegant and not disrupting other partition's free space estate.

[primal spoke]

For linux or windows?

lol

naw def not.

I can't speak on linux

[cursive crypt]

It is just standard OS architecture

[shell garden]

"virtual memory" in a cpu-type term

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of which, what linux distros should I use for my VM?

[cursive crypt]

Arch btw

[shell garden]

intel calls it "protected mode"

[quasi mantle]

I got bored with Ubuntu, so no Ubuntu

[muted oracle]

i want to use linux but i cant bc otherwise i would have to run stuff through a windows VM anyway or lack driver support

[cursive crypt]

Nah, I was joking, I'm a Debian guy

[quasi mantle]

Though, admittedly, amogOS just a rebranded Ubuntu 20.04 so uh....

[shell garden]

what weirdass hardware do you have that doesn't have linux drivers?

[primal spoke]

Negative. I'm sticking with virtual memory being a technique which uses the disk.

until proven otherwise

[cursive crypt]

Fine by me 😄

[shell garden]

i'm a debian/devuan guy but arch's wiki is pretty bae

[muted oracle]

not everyone likes linux and thus do not make stuff for linux, and its annoying

[quasi mantle]

Screw it, I'm going to install amogOS to my VM.

[shell garden]

answer the question. what hardware do you have that doesn't have linux drivers?

[quasi mantle]

Also maybe a healthy dose of Kali.

[shell garden]

yah that sort of thing pisses me off. why can't everything just be wacom?

[muted oracle]

some of my headsets, some old mics i use every now and then, i don’t think my kinect does, not sure if my VR hardware is compatible.....

[shell garden]

this is a lie

[primal spoke]

ok

[quasi mantle]

SUS(E) is one name I haven't heard of in like a decade

[shell garden]

it's a side-effect of virtual memory implementations that harddisks can be used when ram runs out

[cursive crypt]

Kinda overlooking the "compensate" word

[shell garden]

but that is not virtual memory itself

[pearl elk]

youre living in a dream world Neo

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/capsules-pills-meds-medicines-pill-time-gif-17320393

[quasi mantle]

Back then I was having installation sensation with SUSE 9.0, from 5 burned CDs.

[shell garden]

are they bluetooth? usb?

i haven't looked into kinect or vr support

i would assume kinect has drivers

[muted oracle]

either or, some are some are just jacked in

[quasi mantle]

I'll revisit SUSE, one day. One day.

[shell garden]

vr is just a bunch of display outs

[primal spoke]

Please provide a source on your counter and I will gladly change my mind.

I love to learn and if you are spitting facts then they will have room in my mind.

buuuuuuut

[shell garden]

if you jack them into a soundcard they don't need drivers. if they're usb, then they're probably usb-audio standard and have drivers

[primal spoke]

All signs point to VM disk usage.

[quasi mantle]

I think amogOS is eerily close to AmigaOS

[muted oracle]

most of them when i plug them in they install drivers automatically

[primal spoke]

But like I said, if Linux has some other stuff going on, I can't speak on that.

[muted oracle]

ssd gang

[cursive crypt]

Actually, VM is a plugin for Roblox, you pay your kidney for it but you get these sweet squares looking at you.

[shell garden]

this is because windows's driver system is batshit crazy

[quasi mantle]

Shame that AmigaOS doesn't use Linux kernel

[primal spoke]

I'll give you this....if you are somehow virtualizing mem from the cache to ram then yeah no disk involved.

[shell garden]

plug them into a linux system and the driver will get loaded off disk, or get a new device attached to it if it's already loaded

[primal spoke]

I've never heard of that but maybe....

[pearl elk]

If I made an OS my kernel would be called Sanders

[quasi mantle]

Sounding same as Xandros

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/colonel-colonel-sanders-dancing-queen-dancingcolonel-kfc-gif-12963709

[muted oracle]

i might dual boot since i got a couple terabytes in this laptop

[mossy nexus]

Oddly enough, the wiki page for virtual memory actually explains it... who'da thunk?

[quasi mantle]

Oh yeah. Also used to have installation sensation with Linux Xandros.

[cursive crypt]

VM is a hoax, earth is square

[shell garden]

the idea of virtual memory is that an application thinks it's the only thing running on the system, and the operating system, and cpu/memory controller, work to point its ram requests to the correct physical location

[primal spoke]

I agree, but I guess you could semantically claim it serves the same purpose of VM with a disk involved.

[pearl elk]

whats that version of linux I tried recently ummz

[muted oracle]

hannah montana os

[quasi mantle]

My Linux installation sensation back then are SUSE 9, Mandrake 7 (or Mandriva 2005), Xandros 2, and Fedora 6

[shell garden]

*page files

[primal spoke]

I always thought the idea of Virtual Memory was for more memory.

[quasi mantle]

What's Hannah Montana OS is based on? Can't recall

[shell garden]

you're talking about paging out ram to disk

[quasi mantle]

Not sure if it was Ubuntu based

[muted oracle]

http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html

[shell garden]

it kinda is, particularly on the intel 80286 🙃

[muted oracle]

amazing

[light spruce]

VM is virtual machine... so knock it off with this "Virtual Memory" nonsense

[primal spoke]

I'm not even on paging.

[quasi mantle]

Surprised, it was based on Kubuntu

[primal spoke]

I'm speaking about the concept of Virtual Memory in an OS.

[cursive crypt]

It is called confirmation bias afaik 🤔

[shell garden]

man, who teaches these zoomers low-level computer science? 😛

[cursive crypt]

The Roblox Uni!

[mossy nexus]

^^

indeed

[quasi mantle]

Shit, what version of Kubuntu was Hannah Montana OS based from?

[pearl elk]

Pop!_OS thats the one

[primal spoke]

Why would anyone need Virtual Memory if you have enough RAM for everything memory is needed for?

[mossy nexus]

So that apps don't mess with each other

[quasi mantle]

I'm afraid VMware 16's Ubuntu base just used Linux 5.x kernel

Though Hannah Montana was around 2008, right?

[shell garden]

paging is kinda related, because physical ram can get divided into pages

[cursive crypt]

Paging since the 20 century

[mossy nexus]

meh just download moa RAM

[quasi mantle]

Moana RAM

[primal spoke]

Ok are we using Virtual Memory and Paging interchangeably?

[shell garden]

e.g. EMS emulation, borrowing (up to) 32MB of high memory, which is normally XMS-emulated 🙃

[cursive crypt]

Sounds plausible. Did you know you can torrent your RAM to other ppl on the network?

[mossy nexus]

legit

[shell garden]

honestly it all comes down to microsoft confusing the terminology

[mossy nexus]

it's a like using KB when it really should be KiB

[shell garden]

honestly it should be this easy

why is it not

[mossy nexus]

centrifugal force isn't a real thing either but you'll see lots of people who think it is

[cursive crypt]

Man, just admit it. VM = HDD

[shell garden]

this remains a very microsoft windows 9x-derived definition

even the fucking amstrad cpc 6128 had paging

[quasi mantle]

One more Linux distro to go

[primal spoke]

I love you all and you will remain in my virtual memory for the rest of my life.

[shell garden]

any 8bit computer that had more than 64KiB of ram utilised paging

[primal spoke]

Thats a compliment.

[light spruce]

Because that's just address space layout randomization

[cursive crypt]

That was optional in Win... for some time, lol

[mossy nexus]

Oi! 64 KiB of RAM, please

[shell garden]

technically any 8bit computer that had independent ROM and RAM address spaces had paging

[cursive crypt]

Eeh... depends, cough...

[primal spoke]

We're done with the VM talk?

[mossy nexus]

I think we are virtually done, yes

[primal spoke]

source please

pls.

[shell garden]

ok but i'm still not wrong if you round to the nearest integrated circuit 🙃

[mossy nexus]

😄

[quasi mantle]

Oh right, almost forgot
Windows 12 is that one wacky linux distro

[light spruce]

Just wait until you guys get into zram and zswap

[mossy nexus]

Virtual Roblox?

[primal spoke]

👀 maybe I missed them

[cursive crypt]

I heard Win11 will not have paging.

[shell garden]

traditional paging is less important for 64bit systems because it's basically impossible to fill up the address space with physical ram

[primal spoke]

I want to know facts, no lie, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong but every source I pull up says what I'm saying.

but you know how google searches work, they tell you what you want to hear.

[pearl elk]

might be a good thing cuz you dont want to thrash out SSDs

[quasi mantle]

Have fun with your Win11 lads, I'm going to have fun with Win12 😛 (which is just Linux Lite)

[mossy nexus]

what @zinc matrix said 🙂

[shell garden]

ew, linux lite

[cursive crypt]

It is all about the greenhouse effects, less SSD work, less CO2

[shell garden]

i don't want no low fat linux

[primal spoke]

The disk is the storage part of VM when there is not enough RAM. right?

[pearl elk]

until VS2019 tells you to turn it on to compile something 😛

[quasi mantle]

Who cares, I'm installing it to my VM, which is fine for me, because it's either for the lols or opening sus links

[mossy nexus]

that would be the paging

[shell garden]

give me a full centralised repository of linux applications and libraries or give me death

[primal spoke]

Paging is the verb.

VM is the noun

[shell garden]

virtual memory still has paging even if you don't have a disk to page to

[cursive crypt]

Paging is just paging your buffers, but as we all understood, VM is a HDD feature.

[pearl elk]

VM != VM

Virtual Machine 😛

[cursive crypt]

True

[shell garden]

veronica mars

[mossy nexus]

I can do the latter. Free too. But if you pay just $5 and also have done the same for 100K other people then we can offer you some wonderfully exotic ways to die?

[pearl elk]

Justin Bieberlake

[primal spoke]

You are saying what I'm saying IRT HDD.

[light spruce]

Yeah, people continually using VM for Virtual Memory is upsetting the shit out of me

[shell garden]

thank you for using stop-and-drop, america's favourite suicide booth since 2008!

[cursive crypt]

meh, I don't care about convincing. Just \\\\ is stubborn

[quasi mantle]

Wait
Is amogOS based on Ubuntu or RPi?

I had some conflicting sources here

[primal spoke]

Ok so I think @cursive crypt and I are on the same page no pun intended. lol

I love @zinc matrix , they helped me out on some C++ stuff in the past.

cool folks.

[cursive crypt]

Aye, he works for Epic, pages all the day at #cpp

[shell garden]

aww that's cute, he thinks pointers in c++ refer to physical ram addresses

[mossy nexus]

virtual memory can exist in RAM **or ** on a drive. That's about as basic as you can get. The or is not an exclusive or btw

[shell garden]

stop spoiling my fun

[primal spoke]

my cars brakes run on bare metal.

[shell garden]

you probably need to get your pads replaced then

[cursive crypt]

That some big ass chips if you relied on RAII

[shell garden]

i want a cpu that natively runs python bytecode

[muted oracle]

memory go brr

[primal spoke]

= JS

[muted oracle]

imagine jvm cpu

[primal spoke]

but with mem management

[muted oracle]

back when jvm was all the rage

[cursive crypt]

If our guys see a malloc in the code they will fire you

Also, all them misras and isos

[muted oracle]

most*

i remember java was being touted as basically the only language that ran on multiple platforms cuz of its interpreter

[cursive crypt]

It still runs 2 billion devices afaik?

[shell garden]

who told you that? oracle?

[cursive crypt]

It smells like a int limit

[light spruce]

it does and it doesn't.. because ASLR changes the mapping

[muted oracle]

minecraft on all platforms now

java go brr

[shell garden]

yah. 2 billion android 4.4 devices

[primal spoke]

Kit Kat 4 life

[quasi mantle]

It is

[muted oracle]

if only java design was pleasing to me

[quasi mantle]

Kit Kat were good tbh

[primal spoke]

Android 4.4 is Kit Kat

[light spruce]

Hey, don't take the piss with me when I wasn't a part of that.

[quasi mantle]

ik

[cursive crypt]

You have no say with that Roblox

[primal spoke]

4.3 to 4.4 such a big jump in API features.

[cursive crypt]

It even pages afaik

[muted oracle]

don’t knock it till you try it

[primal spoke]

here we go

[muted oracle]

ahshitherewegoagain.gif

[quasi mantle]

Though 5.1 were also good
And my Android 5.1 phone was given to my ex

[shell garden]

well this has been a fun conversation, but i gotta go induct children into a multilevel marketing cult sleep

[cursive crypt]

But Roblox boots them squares from the HDD so it definitely does something.

[quasi mantle]

What time zone are you on?

[primal spoke]

You gave your EX a phone?

[shell garden]

not far from you, i guess. it's 1am here

[muted oracle]

they don’t store games or game info permenantly on the computer so you could play millions of games anytime without needing any viable storage space or long download load times

[quasi mantle]

Yes, because I bought a new one at that time xD

[primal spoke]

They are in the Twilight Timezone.

😁

[cursive crypt]

No, that's the Roblox zone.

[quasi mantle]

I see, GMT+10

[shell garden]

lol you literally added "or loading times"

[soft night]

earth timezone

[primal spoke]

Did your EX do a complete wipe of the device?

[muted oracle]

because you would have to download millions of games off steam or something

and then either delete them or keep them

[quasi mantle]

Long story short, my ex's phone was broken, and I coincidentally bought a new one, so I passed my previous Android 5.1 phone to her.

[muted oracle]

i want an android phone low key

[shell garden]

"see they don't store the games on your pc, so the game downloads every time you run it, avoiding long loading times!"

[shell garden]

buy one with all your robux

[quasi mantle]

Stadia

[shell garden]

problem solved

[primal spoke]

You're so kind.

[muted oracle]

if youve ever played a roblox game they always take under 5 seconds to load

at least on standard quality internet

[primal spoke]

You have iPhone?

[muted oracle]

not gigabit

yea but its hand me downs

[primal spoke]

wut is that?

[shell garden]

so do a whole bunch of games i have installed on my pc because i enjoy them

[quasi mantle]

Well, that kindness didn't pay off, I guess. Got cheated on few months after, and I decided to end the relationship.

[muted oracle]

sure but you could again have millions you enjoy playing

and not need any space

[primal spoke]

Did the phone you gave her tell you she was cheating?

[shell garden]

mIlLiOnS

[muted oracle]

theoretically

[primal spoke]

Also sorry to hear that, sincerely.

[shell garden]

i challenge you to play and enjoy 1 million games

[muted oracle]

and i challenge you to go to sleep and be respectful

[primal spoke]

and it happens to everyone.

[muted oracle]

not to me because i dont date

[quasi mantle]

No, I didn't put any tracking app in there. But from her own behaviours, which I noticed and call out pretty quickly.

[muted oracle]

[primal spoke]

You will never lose because you don't play....got it. 👍

[muted oracle]

its not my goal to fuck strangers its my goal to make long term commitment with long time friends

[light spruce]

I'm playing that fun game of creating my own story from context clues around blocked messages. I'm sure it's less stupid than reality.

[muted oracle]

i don’t need to have a partner anyway, it would be nice, but i don’t really care

[primal spoke]

I'm almost 100% sure @quasi mantle didn't give a phone to a stranger

[muted oracle]

people flirt all the time

[light spruce]

The only winning move is not to play.

[cursive crypt]

It is about Roblox dominating the world and how VM is a hoax

[primal spoke]

I buy tickets from time to time ngl.

[quasi mantle]

I gave the phone to her by the time we were in a relationship.

[shell garden]

weird that you assumed @quasi mantle wasn't trying to make a long-lasting relationship

[primal spoke]

Bought a lottery ticket last week.

[muted oracle]

if i decided to date everyone who flirted with me i would be in living purgatory

[cursive crypt]

Amen

[primal spoke]

well aren't you the confident one.

[muted oracle]

and no im just saying that i would rather date someone ive known for a couple of years than months

[light spruce]

And I'm pretty sure that it continued because a bunch of people who, at best, only half know what they're talking about.

[shell garden]

i loaned a girlfriend money to buy a used car and she never paid it back. by the time we broke up, i wrote it off as basically a payment to not have to deal with her shit again

[primal spoke]

I've been married for ~17 years so I've been out of the dating scene for a long time.

These apps nowadays are crazy.

[shell garden]

hindsight is $20.20

[muted oracle]

they just started dumping and talking trash about roblox because theyre ignorant and don’t want to have a decent discussion about the platform and instead resort to making stupid rants about cults and scams

[quasi mantle]

I don't trust dating apps at all.

[muted oracle]

also marriage isnt always great, my parents are a great example of why i would never date someone out of nowhere or that “i thought was cute in highschool”

[primal spoke]

Tell me about it. We used to tease folks using those apps back in the day, but now they are the norm.

[quasi mantle]

Too many risk of catfishers and succubuses, if you catch my drift.

[primal spoke]

Like meet people in real life at places and stuff.

[shell garden]

wow @muted oracle has run out of shovels so he's switched to the heavy drilling equipment

[primal spoke]

Catfish on TLC is hilarious.

[shell garden]

quit digging. you're not a lemming

you have the power to change to a builder, or a climber

[cursive crypt]

lol, he was quite a hot catch then

[shell garden]

maybe you are a lemming

[quasi mantle]

Even the rule expects at least 13 y o

[primal spoke]

😬 tinder...

[muted oracle]

i could care less. i just wanted to talk about the platform and about how useful it is for younger developers with little to no experience in making games to be able to make a profit on such a simple platform

[primal spoke]

marriage

[quasi mantle]

Fortnite Creative and CORE exists.

[shell garden]

there you are again with "could care less"

[quasi mantle]

Also Dreams.

[muted oracle]

fortnite creative and core are both awful in comparison

[shell garden]

why?

[quasi mantle]

Also Game Builder Garage (or something along that line)

[primal spoke]

I could care less Windows moved the toolbar to the center of the screen like Apple.

[muted oracle]

for obvious reasons like not being able to make the game whatever you want, being limited to shitty premade assets

[shell garden]

yeah i was gonna go to sleep but the time loop started over again and goddamn it piccard, just get in the damn shuttlecraft already

[quasi mantle]

There are a lot of superior entry level game creation tools than Roblox.

[muted oracle]

doesnt mean anything

[light spruce]

You were going to go to sleep, but you can't help but be in the middle of having something dumb to say.

[quasi mantle]

Dreams allows for custom assets, even in PS4's closed environment.

[light spruce]

at least be honest with yourself

[cursive crypt]

but luamua?

[shell garden]

virtual robux!

[muted oracle]

they have to be made in Dreams, no rigged meshes, and that engine is hell to use without psmove controllers

you can import assets from other programs

youre missing the point so hard its like you cant even see it

[quasi mantle]

What about the other way around?

[torpid star]

cat man

[muted oracle]

wrong

[primal spoke]

Godot is eating the game dev industry.

[torpid star]

gowhat?

[muted oracle]

you can import meshes, rigged meshes, animations, audio files, images.... like all other engines

[quasi mantle]

Gal Godot

[primal spoke]

Epic better hurry up and acquire!

make it their 2d option

boom

[light spruce]

I think that this all had to be so incredibly stupid at the start for even ponkkis to throw some shade

[cursive crypt]

Man, just accept Roblox does not fly well here 😄

[muted oracle]

theyre literally all just trolling

[primal spoke]

lots of stuff doesn't fly well here tbh.

[cursive crypt]

Chickens e.g.

[primal spoke]

Pinguins

[muted oracle]

cocks are nice

[quasi mantle]

No, Roblox is just difficult to be taken seriously

[torpid star]

cat

[muted oracle]

oh is it now

[shell garden]

says the guy on a UE discord server talking about how amazing roblox is

[shell garden]

especially when it's been described exactly like an example of MLM

[muted oracle]

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/meet-17-old-already-made-134629257.html

old post

[torpid star]

Hi I'm a professional game developer.. my latest Roblox title is calle...

[quasi mantle]

Back then Roblox didn't exist, but fair enough.

[primal spoke]

street in spanish?

[muted oracle]

and this is back when devex was more expensive

[shell garden]

oh good, now he's spamming "old news" from *checks url* yahoo sports

you know what i made my first proper game in?

[cursive crypt]

Man, Yahoo are still alive

[quasi mantle]

Even back then Yahoo is crumbling apart

[shell garden]

klik-n-play

[muted oracle]

you can find better articles on the creators of Jailbreak

[torpid star]

yahoo finance is doing really good

[primal spoke]

I literally just used a yahoo email to sign up for something yesterday.

[quasi mantle]

Screw Yahoo for killing Geocities

[primal spoke]

Geocities lol

[muted oracle]

whats wrong with making money as a 16-20 year old for being creative

[quasi mantle]

Some youngin also "making money" with legitimate UE4 projects.

[muted oracle]

yes but UE4 compared to RS is apples to oranges

[shell garden]

i should try out clickteam fusion some time

[muted oracle]

RS is less complicated and easier to pick up

[primal spoke]

How can Roblox be MLM?

[quasi mantle]

That one deer game made with UE4, forgot what it's called, but went featured in Spotlight

[shell garden]

you kept saying how powerful roblox is

[cursive crypt]

Why making games when you can stream them? Paying the others with exposure.

[muted oracle]

theres people who stream roblox games too but most of them are morons

[cursive crypt]

lol

[shell garden]

just spend 5 minutes talking to @muted oracle and you'll understand 😛

[muted oracle]

yea but theres some good games on there like phantom forces

[quasi mantle]

Roblox has scary script kiddie hackers

[muted oracle]

out of all the sims and tycoons

[primal spoke]

@muted oracle Why are people saying Roblox is MLM?

[muted oracle]

i don’t know lmao

im just a game developer

[primal spoke]

🤔

[shell garden]

players pay a premium to play free games, which then gets distributed as fake money to developers, who have to pay to convert it back to real money

[quasi mantle]

I don't know if @muted oracle ever heard of Bun Bun Girls, that script kiddie cartel

[shell garden]

so robux is a tax coming in and out

[muted oracle]

again these idiots making it sound like you need money to make or play games

[primal spoke]

🤯

[shell garden]

you keep saying "i can afford $5/month" though

[primal spoke]

because ethically making money or unethically?

[muted oracle]

because i cash out for way more than $5 a month which is why i can afford vr equipment

[shell garden]

he didn't ask if it was legal, he asked if it was ethical

[muted oracle]

and i don’t even make p2w gacha

i make geniunely good games with lots of effort

[quasi mantle]

They charged a pound for Windows 12?
Screw it, that's one pound out of my PayPal.

[primal spoke]

I can't even figure out what kind of revenue model that is

pay for free games, then fake money, then pay real money to convert fake money to real. WTF is that?

that can't be real.

[shell garden]

lindows got sued almost out of existence for less. they're not gonna get that "patent name"

[muted oracle]

you don’t pay anything

[primal spoke]

ok @shell garden said so

[muted oracle]

you can play games for free and make games for free

you pay only if you want to buy robux

or if you want to cash out robux

[primal spoke]

Is platform fees like PayPal etc.?

[muted oracle]

but heres the thing

[light spruce]

bitcoin is also fake money that you can pay to convert to real money!

[primal spoke]

cost of fund distro?

[muted oracle]

roblox cash out is minimum 100k robux

this is $350

$350-$5

$345

[shell garden]

@muted oracle has explained that your game only gets robux from players who have paid roblox for premium accounts

[quasi mantle]

But spending a pound for "greater good", why not.

[muted oracle]

this is the profit you make when you cash out the minimum

[shell garden]

so yes, if you want to make money off it, then you are charging for free games

[muted oracle]

or those who buy items

[primal spoke]

Are they Bank fees?

[pearl elk]

see unlike UE, Roblox makes more money based on the interactions of its users, the system is designed so people promote it as a solution

[primal spoke]

or platform fees?

[muted oracle]

no

[pearl elk]

where UE is just a flat fee and any developer who talks up UE doesnt do it for their own pocket

[muted oracle]

you pay $5/mo to have access to exchange of robux

[primal spoke]

So its like the app store then.

They take a percentage of revenue

[muted oracle]

you don’t need to pay it every month

[shell garden]

so i googled klik & play and holy shit

[quasi mantle]

By "greater good", I mean for the lols

[muted oracle]

if you wanted you could pay $5 only when tou want to cash out

[primal spoke]

Sounds like app store and every other markeplace.

[pearl elk]

yes the percentage the developer pays, theres no buying into the UE ecosystem

[shell garden]

yah i know. i used the maxis edition when i was at school, and my parents bought it for me for my birthday one year

[pearl elk]

people who promote Unreal do it out of their own volition not that they have stake

[shell garden]

i was disappointed that my copy had an EA logo and not a maxis logo

[pearl elk]

its not pay and pay and pay and pay though like MTX in Roblox

[quasi mantle]

This, I basically yelled "use Unreal Engine" because I really liked it

[shell garden]

yah. it was actually a maxis product, but afaik was almost an exclusive thing for schools before EA bought them

[primal spoke]

Unity raising money from public now.

since IPO

[pearl elk]

see Avon for example which is a MLM you promote it cuz you have a stake, like Roblox

[primal spoke]

Avon still around lol?

[pearl elk]

which is why we're still talking about it even though its pretty irrelevant

[shell garden]

FREE GAME CREATION FOR EVERYONE!
16-bit Windows

[quasi mantle]

I think Tupperware also do this kind of thing

[pearl elk]

because Roblox marketing wants us talking about it as if its some sort of grassroots thing

but really its just astroturfing

[primal spoke]

umm resellers.

[shell garden]

yah tupperware is mlm but at least the products are mostly good quality

[primal spoke]

in every industry.

[shell garden]

it's a bitch to get replacement parts if you don't have a representative though

[primal spoke]

For Avon?

[muted oracle]

people buy robux to buy robux, it doesnt by any means really hinder much of anything outside of what you can dress your avatar in and what items you can purchase and if you can exchange robux, but its not required to play games, make them, or anything.

[shell garden]

you want to buy my steam library?

[quasi mantle]

But Tupperware is also such a meme, back then we joked that lost Tupperware matters more than the kid's mental health

[shell garden]

for tupperware

[primal spoke]

Yes send me keys

[pearl elk]

you see what I mean, how WW sounds like a marketing bot?

[muted oracle]

i gave several other reasons afterward also

[pearl elk]

it doesnt matter the conversation it just interjects with some random Roblox facts

[shell garden]

i don't have keys, the games are already in my library. but you did say "every industry" has resellers 🙃

[quasi mantle]

None of which entices me.

[muted oracle]

im just defending the platform i use and actively develop on

[primal spoke]

maybe the profit motive is the only motive?

[primal spoke]

keys get resold all the time.

Give me a key to your game to test it lol

[quasi mantle]

@muted oracle Can you make a boomer shooter (along with a custom editor) and selling it without being tied to Roblox platform?

[muted oracle]

i make games for fun i don’t care about profit but roblox games make a profit even if you didnt really care about the money so free money go brr

[primal spoke]

Post it here.

[shell garden]

i'll sell you keys to games that no longer have store pages

[muted oracle]

because most of the people who make roblox games do it for the money

[quasi mantle]

Do they have Bookworm Adventures Vol. 1 and 2?

I want to play them for nostalgia sake

[muted oracle]

and it also helps them afford better equipment and maybe a dev team

[primal spoke]

😅 Thats what you are supposed to do when it comes to selling....money isn't important until pay time.

[pearl elk]

Hey man, wanna buy some crypto

[shell garden]

no but i do have "my grandma and me" on cd somewhere

[primal spoke]

Opened.

[shell garden]

runs in scummvm and everything

[primal spoke]

I was kidding.

[shell garden]

cool i'll spend at least 40 hours on it tomorrow

does it have trading cards?

[quasi mantle]

I swear if they don't allow paypal, I'm just gonna seek for the "pirated" copy of it

[primal spoke]

I once had a patent pending for TV commercial blocker, Google threatened me so I removed the app and the video explaining how to create it on YT.

[pearl elk]

need more farming cards

[shell garden]

it needs an icon

[pearl elk]

and mining cards

[quasi mantle]

Also this is how their site looked

[shell garden]

aaaaaah i fell into the sun

[quasi mantle]

the art of e-commerce

[muted oracle]

werent you supposed to be gone

[primal spoke]

🍿

[quasi mantle]

Probably not, but they have some juicy pictures for sale

[shell garden]

weren't you supposed to be games without thinking about how much money you have to spend on vr headsets?

[muted oracle]

u mean like ricochet @zinc matrix

[shell garden]

spacewar is actually the half-life 3 beta

[primal spoke]

is spaceware your game?

[muted oracle]

sounds like someone whos sleep deprived

the games app id is 480

[quasi mantle]

!8ball Is Spacewar has anything to do with Starfield?

[turbid spindle]

@quasi mantle, :8ball: Outlook not so good.

[pearl elk]

spacewear

hotmail>*

[shell garden]

it's true. use a real email client

[muted oracle]

theyre one of the same now since hotmail opens up in outlook

[primal spoke]

I figured it out....! The humor here is called Situational Comedy, this is a sitcom channel lol

[light spruce]

that's now how you spell shitshow

[shell garden]

hahaha the successor to klik & play has an export module for OUYA

https://www.clickteam.com/android-export-module

[muted oracle]

it used to be peaceful when i was sending roblox pics and cute dogs but then people had to go and ruin it

[pearl elk]

more like shitcom 😛

[quasi mantle]

From Hannah Montana OS site:

[muted oracle]

[muted oracle]

damn that text lookin mighty thicc

[cursive crypt]

But at the end.... does Roblox VMs from the disk or no?

[muted oracle]

got that hourglass figure

[cursive crypt]

Teach me your ways sensei

[muted oracle]

no

[cursive crypt]

Thought it was luamua? 🤔

[quasi mantle]

Luau? more like Luouch

[pearl elk]

wululua

[cursive crypt]

That sounds like "I know how to write banananannana" just don't know when to stop.

[pearl elk]

tsktsktsktsktsktsk

[primal spoke]

JS will be a low level language in the future, just watch.

[pearl elk]

I doubt anyone is using text to speech 😛

[torpid star]

I will buy fortnite for free for money for free

[muted oracle]

types go brr

[quasi mantle]

[primal spoke]

I still don't understand the brr thing

[quasi mantle]

I have yet to heard Raspberry Pi having JS as low level programming

[torpid star]

for k, v ah yes please be vague as possible

[pearl elk]

its meant to be a fast car

[cursive crypt]

Mark is that you?! lol

[pearl elk]

but fast cars go BRRRR TSSSHHH

[torpid star]

maybe, I'm in the slanted man squad now

purpl gang

[cursive crypt]

This looks like VCode

[pearl elk]

we all know Verse is the next big thing

[primal spoke]

yeah how is this funny:

[torpid star]

roblxo fornite kiler next gen

xbox 720

[primal spoke]

thats a real thing lol

[pearl elk]

xbox 1080 flick shot

[quasi mantle]

Don't even question how 🇪 becomes a meme.

[pearl elk]

I had something alittle like this 😛

[muted oracle]

where

cuz of the parameters

[light spruce]

The best part of this conversation is this:

[pearl elk]

http://mobile.thrustmaster.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/media/product/RunNdriveFaceMontage_800x600.jpg

[primal spoke]

I won't

[muted oracle]

i needed to pass in the data table also into the function

[muted oracle]

the performance is great though, microseconds of time

even with all that

measured with cpu clock time and unix time also

yea but this code does quite a lot

[muted oracle]

basically it creates a tree of game characters

[quasi mantle]

Just to get the point across

[cursive crypt]

You don't understand luamua is the best

[shell garden]

what, you're not even using a red-black tree?

[pearl elk]

Winvintendo 4096k bit hex petafloppy solid drive

[muted oracle]

cuz some characters unlock others, or require other characters to be unlocked

[primal spoke]

Yeah I make better memes:

[quasi mantle]

And ironically become a contemporary meme itself

[muted oracle]

so this makes the entire tree so you can figure out who you need to unlock what

if you pick the last possible character you can unlock it will efficiently spit out which characters to buy in the correct sorted order

[cursive crypt]

#meow

[pearl elk]

we really need more education on how to counterfeit money

this image is all types of wrong

[quasi mantle]

#nyan

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-cat-rainbow-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5716621

[quasi mantle]

[cursive crypt]

You called for it.

btw, there is a Vim plugin which ascii gif you a nyancat

[torpid star]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5fp6m6Zo4LetiWaMMrPjy5

[primal spoke]

Python dev be like: https://gfycat.com/radiantmelodiccanary

[quasi mantle]

Also MEMZ bootloader has Nyan Cat

[pearl elk]

looks more like an Apple tbh that roundy box

[quasi mantle]

I hate this already...

[primal spoke]

UE free assets be like: https://gfycat.com/rashsilentabalone

[pearl elk]

XRound 😮

[primal spoke]

hmmm loung doesn't like my gif

[muted oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/charging-up-samoyed-dog-nap-gif-21461938

[pearl elk]

your gif hast too many cats

the dogs blocked the propaganda

[cursive crypt]

dogobox

[quasi mantle]

loung is a breathing system for mamals

[primal spoke]

UE assets be like: https://gfycat.com/rashsilentabalone

no?

dang

[quasi mantle]

[muted oracle]

keep trying it will work eventually

https://tenor.com/view/luna-nose-circle-alinity-samoyed-gif-15210390