I thought everyone went gray in their 30's 😅
#lounge
primal spoke
fathom wadi
I only just started going grey in my 40's
primal spoke
better gray than bald I always say.
primal spoke
oof
deep glen
@zinc matrix moment you plug something into wpo, if the mesh is nanite enabled it just grays out the mesh
primal spoke
RIP Marc's hair.
humble remnant
Shaders are done compiling, 50 fps in third person template @ 1440p on 1070Ti
light lodge
@humble remnant What were you getting on UE4 with that lol
fathom wadi
51fps
humble remnant
It was >100 for sure
The only change I did was tick the "support hardware raytracing" option in the project settings
humble remnant
However, it doesn't feel like 50 if I have to be honest, it feels smoother
sage tendon
damn, voicechannels are filled, did i miss something?
fathom wadi
yeah they are all talking about you :p
humble remnant
UE5 is released and live
sage tendon
hey @median wraith happy birthday
median wraith
@sage tendon thank you man o/
fathom wadi
wow I forgot it's been at least a day since Hevedy's last birthday
sage tendon
😄
fathom wadi
fudge me that animation warping is like the physical animation stuff I always wanted.
minus the machine learning
soft night
HueV birthday
humble remnant
800 modules to package third person template for development
Inch resting
Good to know
Like 70% of my mechanics are based around hits/traces
Ah, you mean in terms of code
Many things were updated like that in 4.25->4.26 I remember
Or was it ->4.25, not sure
I skipped from 4.24 to 4.26 directly
median wraith
@finite lark the new tools come with a tool to generate voxel meshes
Look what happen with you pass near the voxel mesh
the new physics system
takes 122ms to compute
"Chaos"
humble remnant
I think that has more to do with how the voxel mesh collision is generated
median wraith
finite lark
<@!158247241000157185> the new tools come with a tool to generate voxel meshes
yeah I noticed
median wraith
Is using complex
humble remnant
median wraith
but still even on this cause this shouldn't be a problem
as I had lands with more polycount
21k
finite lark
- I have a test with around 10 vehicles totally fine in physx ue4
median wraith
40k triangles
finite lark
in chaos it goes down to 30 fps :v
median wraith
well it promises what the actual name claims
humble remnant
But is it a single collision object or every triangle is a separate object
median wraith
humble remnant
I think that has something to do with it
median wraith
Lument have flickering
you can see the left side
its doing flickering all the time
when the surface it too angled near 90º
Aside from that seems like managed to make big areas without issues
I would be fine if they make a prebake system with probes
ala Crytek if that gives me 10ms back
fathom wadi
did you know it's early access? 😄
regal pecan
It's raymarching through distance fields, I doubt they can bake anything.
median wraith
yeah but SSGI still there with absurd costs so
median wraith
It's raymarching through distance fields, I doubt they can bake anything.
a dev named they can do Ray tracing over the system
and the system seems to use probes
idk if are prebaked or whats going on
it takes a bit to refresh when you move things
regal pecan
Any good video of that? Sounds like the same thing that happens with vol fog.
mossy nexus
yawns
median wraith
idk but the bounces from color seems to affect a lot given there are just 2 orange bits
mossy nexus
The one thing I wanted to play with, I can't.... shakes fist at Epic
humble remnant
Which is?
mossy nexus
World Partition, just can't get it turned on
humble remnant
Ah
median wraith
the engine don't care about the GI checkboxes on Directiona, Sky etc
you can see the refresh GI probes
idk what these are at all
median wraith
They removed the Skylight intensity slider
the indirect one does nothing
and I don't like it
🤖
oh is there wait
yeah is there
still the indirect one does nothing
XD
Hey I pointed things
primal spoke
Yo is Gamestop really gonna start selling digital games using blockchain?
rare sparrow
So what are the new world bounds now that UE5 has double precision?
fathom wadi
@mossy nexus I made my own version of that so I can use mine but im just gonna install and compile it to see how they did it with UE5. Mine was never best practice for UE4 anyway so it lost some optimisation but for my purpose I didn't need what optimisations it offered anyway due to small levels.
median wraith
@zinc matrix I have to spot all the negatives in order to do the positives you know
humble remnant
This must be the biggest storm I've experienced in a long while
fathom wadi
@rare sparrowgood question. It would be magnitudes larger though before floating point is an issue. Consider we had workarounds for rebasing in UE4, I'm guessing the 16km mark (where I always started to consider rebasing) is considered as = 2^4. Then 64 bit is gonna chunk that up exponentially.
humble remnant
I went to the bathroom and when I came back, there was a stupid powerful rain and lightning was striking like every 5 seconds
One lightning was so strong that half the city went completely dark
Including my place
ivory lodge
So...no coding?
humble remnant
Power is back up
But holy shit in the span of 2 minutes how much changed
I was literally on my way to heat some food when I saw basically a flashbang and then the power was out
rare sparrow
With the power of UE5 and a well timed lightning strike, @humble remnant transformed into... The Unreal mannequin
median wraith
@zinc matrix look, let me point out the biggest improvement
They did async load
so you don't to wait 500 years in the start screen while all loads
cursive crypt
Damn... A lighting stroke and I heard a pop sound from my PC (it was turned off). I'm crossing fingers for tomorrow.
fathom wadi
a sink load
median wraith
isn't something new, but is something I don't know why wasn't a thing
fathom wadi
is there any new asset sharing management system for when we have 20 projects that all use megascans ? I kinda don't want to have 100gb of assets per project when they are shared
median wraith
It feels like UE4 just relased rather than UE5
due the light and the async load and the features we expected by the old trailer xd
humble remnant
@cursive crypt in Sofia?
mossy nexus
is there any new asset sharing management system for when we have 20 projects th...
possibly
fathom wadi
it would be nice if the built in Bridge let us package from there too. Seems logical
that way I can get a nice new SSD and store them all for future use
humble remnant
Alright, so
mossy nexus
UE5 bridge also does not snyc with the standalone version...
humble remnant
UE5 third person template runs at 40 fps 1440p on 1070ti
fathom wadi
oof
mossy nexus
he said "oof"
quasi mantle
"They're the same picture."
humble remnant
Maybe slightly, yes
But like
The second pic is at 50% screen percentage
First pic is at 100%
There's like no difference
fathom wadi
are you testing it out of the box or setting up the lumen/nanite for it?
median wraith
There's like no difference
yeah in FPS there is
cedar tapir
so you don't to wait 500 years in the start screen while all loads
yes finally
humble remnant
The only difference is I ticked the "support hardware raytracing" which doesn't even affect me on my GPU
Third pic you can definitely see the edges of the rendering but
Other than that, holy shit does even 30% look good
mossy nexus
according to Quixel it's not a feature yet
median wraith
The only difference is I ticked the "support hardware raytracing" which doesn't ...
that seems like they added Ray Tracing for every GPU
ala Crytek
rather than limit it to 2000 and 3000 series
humble remnant
Yeah
I mean I did support RTX, through software rendering
But seeing this is great
Alright
I saw how it runs on 1070Ti
Now time for the real test
The HD 6790
ivory swallow
humble remnant
Welp
The engine certainly runs on a 6790
A 1 GB VRAM GPU
Though all the graphics are at 0
Shadows turned from off to low
Screen percentage at 40%
This is amazing
There's just a small issue
Running HighResShot 1 crashes 
Yeah
Much nicer than UE4
Took me a total of 45 minutes to build template project for windows
But it properly works
Goddamn UE5 on a 6790
mossy nexus
@zinc matrix got this answer from Quixel support.
**You should have no problems at all changing your Local Library! However, I believe your already downloaded assets from the Bridge desktop application will not sync into UE5, so you'd still have to re-download the assets from within Bridge in UE5 as they have been specifically altered to give you the best experience. **
By default, all the assets you download from Bridge inside UE5 are placed in the following location on disk:
Win: C:\Users<user>\Documents\Megascans Library
Mac: ~\Documents\Megascans Library
Linux: ~\Documents\Megascans Library
To change this path, click on the user icon in the top right corner of the Bridge window and select Preferences.
In the Preferences dialog enter the path that you want to save your assets to and click Save.
*This path is the same as the default path for the Bridge desktop application. *
humble remnant
NiagaraExtras and Ansel not supported under UE5
mossy nexus
maybies 😄
humble remnant
Oh
There's an additional /UnrealBuildTool
I'm trying to swap engine version rn
I don't have Rider tho
Just VS2019
Did you fix it in the end or did you do something else?
I don't have such a plugin enabled so now I'm in checkmate
Guess I'll procmon to see what it tries to read then
So it succeeds in finding it once
Then it goes back a folder and it fails
Attempting to run the UE5 version selector with the project commandline simply fails
The thing I wonder is
Actually
I'll try something
humble remnant
Turns out it's a pinned message in #ue5-general so not an uncommon thing
humble remnant
Yeah
Now my only issue is that I have to remove Win32 references from like half the code
Seems like UE5 says goodbye to 32 bit
fathom wadi
hell yeah about time too
humble remnant
Welp
It succeeded after removing Win32 refferences
It is time to go
2842 modules to compile
Are you trying to open the demo
Oof
I guess my fate shall be the same
Yeah
Had that happen to me first time
"Oh, only 1000 shaders to compile to open the project menu, nice"
But alas
There were 4000 more
pearl pewter
humble remnant
I've been thinking of developing some tech where someone could play the level completely boxed out for max performance while someone else can have the normal version
Mostly because I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible on my hardware support
humble remnant
30 minutes have passed and compiling is at 460/2842
This might be slower than the actual UE5 compile
median wraith
They mean next next gen, aka PS6
carmine frigate
ps5 is current gen
humble remnant
Seems like sg.EffectsQuality 2 or more enables many of the new features
Specifically GI
If I turn that on my 6790 the framerate dips to half
Shadows being on further halves the fps
However it seems like effects at 0/1 makes the engine runnable on ancient hardware
Otherwise I get frequent crashes for out of VRAM
Console experience UE5
Effects quality at 1, everything else at 3, resolution scaling at 33%
Turning that to 40% makes the fps damn near 30 but not quite
Also there's the sound of a vacuum cleaner coming from my server
zinc matrix
The new UI is... Interesting
It looks clean that's for sure
That's how it started, let's see how well it goes 😹
humble remnant
Here we GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
barren grove
I have changed the actor tick in general, but I feel like timelines run faster than the actor tick
humble remnant
Compiling shaders myself rn
I have set the affinity to only use 12/16 threads just so it doesn't jank my machine
I use a nonstandard audio setup that becomes cursed when it janks
Things are going decently fast for me
Seems like DOF has been removed in UE5
The water plugin I was using spewed errors during compiling
And atmospheric fog was renamed to volumetric fog
Or atmospheric fog was removed
Idk
unborn bone
i know people cant wait to get there hands on it but an early release is bound to have issues id rather wait
unborn bone
im slothful actually im a hobbyist if any one needs a weekender i do stuff for free but dont expect much lol...ima post a unpaid gig thingy
unborn bone
i think the gaming community lost its way after everquest...thanks to wow there has never been a game that achieved the original everquests greatness and thats before POP expansion, such a simple formula if a game developer followed it they would be successful
humble remnant
Yeah, at least you're actually able to do something now
zinc matrix
How many people fell asleep? Or died from excitement?
ivory lodge
I don't think I'm getting anything done tonight. For some reason my test C++ program says there is no main() ... even though it's one file with a function called int main()
zinc matrix
Yeah. Sometimes you end up muting and deafening yourself then forget you're still in the VC
humble remnant
Or simply forget to disconnect
fathom wadi
@humble remnant is it a UE4 plugin you converted over to UE5?
humble remnant
I think it was an early version of the water plugin
ivory lodge
Did they at least get rid of redirectors in UE5?
fathom wadi
there are some C++ changes with how pointers are handled and they are now in the form of a new templated TObjectPtr which you need to convert over too. Might be something to look into
humble remnant
Aight, number of UE4 plugins cause a crash in UE5
ShallowWater, RemoteSession, PanoramicCapture
fathom wadi
im surprised any work as the new pointer system is drastic
pretty much every plugin would need the type conversion done. But there is a tool for any viewable pointers
humble remnant
I disabled those 3 plugin and now it works nicely
But yeah
I did get errors that are refs to a texture that was an access violation
humble remnant
I don't need those plugins anyway tbh
Oh shit
I forgot I have async loading
So I haven't even loaded the main character
My PC has become an airplane the moment I pressed the play button
My ears are now void
ivory lodge
Having a bad time retargeting the close combat animations...
humble remnant
Some red thing has appeared during compiling
ivory lodge
Normatlly I can just delete the skeleton. but it crashes.
unborn bone
its more trouble to run ue on linux but it pays off in performance, with windows your doomed its like dancing with a cast
quasi mantle
Welp, I'm going to use that sucker until my game's finished.
quasi mantle
its more trouble to run ue on linux but it pays off in performance, with windows...
Well, no, and actually no.
humble remnant
Red thing gone, nothing to worry about
quasi mantle
I'd rather burn in hell for eternity or shot myself in the head than testing my games on many distros of Linux.
unborn bone
Well, no, and actually no.
well depend son linux you use but pops leading the way because it incorporates nivida
unborn bone
well i use system 76 you do pay a premium but...you wont be disappointed with pops, the only thing lacking is support of course from ue4 and plugins since everyone continues to live under the tyranny of windows, one day the technical gap will be bridged its not far off before youll switch, i agree though there is alot more to making it work
humble remnant
Time to open my most complex level and see how buttcheeks it is
quasi mantle
If my hyperbolic comparison of suicide with porting to Linux wasn't enough, I don't know what will.
humble remnant
Just test on ubuntu and leave it at that tbh
quasi mantle
Besides, I assume many Linux gamers are turbo nerds who are capable of setting up their own kernel virtual machines or setting up WINE.
humble remnant
Don't claim full linux support, just ubuntu
quasi mantle
Don't claim full linux support, just ubuntu
And then other distro supremacists demand support for other distro, and the rabbit hole goes deeper.
I already put this into months of consideration, and in the end, fuck it. Forget about Linux desktop port.
I already implied that if a user uses desktop Linux in their own will, they should have smart enough of a brain to go through the hoop of setting up WINE or KVMs and game with it.
unborn bone
ya i havent been able to run ue4 with wine but who needs wine with lutris and db proton...steam is already acknowledging linux its only a matter of time before a major break through happens
quasi mantle
I mean, Mutahar (SomeOrdinaryGamers) uses Linux for his main OS, and uses KVM for gaming.
unborn bone
hmm yep but the epic store is a pain have to run it in wine to download some assets
well i uselutris actually it runs epic thats one work around
quasi mantle
hmm yep but the epic store is a pain have to run it in wine to download some ass...
Use KVM already lmao
Btw yes, I hated Linux desktop OS.
Even though I know that PS4/PS5 is FreeBSD at its core (at least consoles are fixed hardware)
thin glacier
I’m just leaving this here without context
quasi mantle
Even back then I had bad blood with Linux, which subsequently lead to me having bad blood with web development
unborn bone
check out my tree its not optimized over 300000 polygons but my linux can handles it...lol created it on haxed copy of speed tree mad with moss leave
zinc matrix
successfully broke the engine lol
just 440 000 blocks 😹
Appears to be a bit too much
zinc matrix
check out my tree its not optimized over 300000 polygons but my linux can handle...
you need to use that new UE5 feature 😏
quasi mantle
I swear to god, I would've got too much stall if I went to consider porting my game to Linux.
I was so naive back then, thinking to port it to Linux.
Even then Blender works perfectly fine in Windows
I mean, Blender is in Windows, so no dual boot bullshit, no partition system diversity bullshit. My assets and stuff just works in Unreal.
And most importantly I can cover many millions of player-to-be just with Windows version.
humble remnant
rare sparrow
Have empty projects always loaded this fast?
quasi mantle
Yikes 
unborn bone
@zinc matrix technically its a windowx version but it runs in wine
rare sparrow
The empty UE5 project I'm messing around with feels like it loads faster than any empty UE4 project I've loaded
unborn bone
@zinc matrix indie version cant connect via firewall so it works without locking you out
@zinc matrix the tyranny of subscription model cannot stop the power of linux 🙂
quasi mantle
🥱
fathom wadi
PING
quasi mantle
Imagine if he's being a dick by using GPL licence on his Unreal powered open source game.
unborn bone
hmm dont know if i could do that im to slothful, but im going ot find an indie team or something, i tried programming but i started with java and that was a mistake
quasi mantle
🤭
unborn bone
you mess with java you cant think in C++...i think they teach you that to hobble you as if 4th generation languages should be able to handle your pointers and garbage collection, that idea way of thinking destroys your will power
i suspect the coders of the past knew what they were doing...wich is why you dont find games like everquest anymore
fathom wadi
of course they knew what they were doing. There was no easy way to do anything so they built the tools.
unborn bone
why is it 8 bit games in nintendo have more creativity than most mmorpgs...one only needs to look back at games when people had less to work with and yet made more
quasi mantle
why is it 8 bit games in nintendo have more creativity than most mmorpgs...one o...
Final Fantasy XIV is good MMORPG tho
fathom wadi
there were lots of great MMOs. Anarchy Online, EQ, WOW, SWTOR, A whole range of non-western market MMOs.
unborn bone
lol ue5 broken...yep the wisdom of the sloth is proven true better to wait
only linux users have patience
fathom wadi
UE5 cant be broken, it's not even ready
unborn bone
yep but it wouldnt work any better if they nixed all sorts of things like the fog system
quasi mantle
Besides it's still early access. My game still uses UE4 because it's still works.
Although I use UE5 for research and linear animation project 👀
unborn bone
and i just found like this really neat auto landscape material that does procedural foliage, id hate to see that break if i upgraded
unreal sensei gives it for free on youtube, i love free stuff
unborn bone
with so many downloads the file probably shreded on git hub...that what happens on windows...they have to defrag now ya not a porb on linux
quasi mantle
with so many downloads the file probably shreded on git hub...that what happens ...
Oh, fuck off.
unborn bone
lol hoodie that devotion to billy gates is why games have died as a genre
quasi mantle
I smell lies.
Probably your directory got too long?
I always keep my directory naming short and concise.
fathom wadi
that doesnt matter when you have long filenames enabled. My max path is bigger than that
quasi mantle
lol hoodie that devotion to billy gates is why games have died as a genre
Not gonna lie, I like his books about climate stuff.
unborn bone
even with ssds though windows has to defrag in the background to hide their shame, once a upon a time you were forced to do it yourself but now they can hide the fact
quasi mantle
even with ssds though windows has to defrag in the background to hide their sha...
Okay, you're just straight up fanboying in echo chambers.
SSDs don't need defragging, baka.
unborn bone
not to mention all the spyware they built into win 10 after windows 7 it was just to much, think about all the waste your processes go through powering their hive sky net system
quasi mantle
You can't even force Windows to defrag SSDs, no matter how hard you try to twist your narative.
きさま。
fathom wadi
are you shitting on Windows ? That's so year 2000
quasi mantle
not to mention all the spyware they built into win 10 after windows 7 it was jus...
One word for you:
Tolol.
unborn bone
lol when skynet is complete only the linux users will be free, youll come to us for help
fathom wadi
yeah good luck with that
quasi mantle
lol when skynet is complete only the linux users will be free, youll come to us ...
ora urusan, jancuk.
unborn bone
hehe ...lol yes ima troll but im bored
quasi mantle
*ora urusan, jancuk.*
This literally means "I don't care, you fuck"
fathom wadi
If the world collapsed and computers all broke, the last people I would goto for help are pretentious Linux elitists who shit on operating systems when they do nothing but configure their own because they can never get one they like.
make it based on IQ. really screw with people :p
quasi mantle
Dude, I'm 22.
fathom wadi
yeah if it was age gated a lot of the smart kids around here would lose out. And there are lots of them
fossil otter
says the guy who goes around making death threats over twitter? ok
fathom wadi
that was random
fossil otter
im just baiting marc, dont hate me
fathom wadi
😉
quasi mantle
Even the local gamedev community (which are mostly Unity fetishists) are jealous to UE 🤣
tulip orbit
gibberish chat!
humble remnant
"unity ded"
rare sparrow
ah, finally, a familiar face in this new land
light spruce
"unity fetishists"
quasi mantle
gibberish chat!
Well it's in the bossiest language of the world (Indonesian)
tulip orbit
ah
humble remnant
IT BREATHES
light spruce
@zinc matrix Somewhere... I have video and it's so much worse
light spruce
50% off framerates!
static cove
should the environment artist switch to the new version now?
light spruce
<insert your own Cyberpunk 2077 launch flashback here>
I still think RTX is a fool's errand for game dev
It's kinda like military arms procurement ... the new hotness now is what you'll see starting to be standard 10+ years down the road
And you're having to manage the visuals for two different pipelines with a very disproportionate userbase
That's definitely been one of my complaints. I've played too many games where I have a vague idea of my surroundings rather than being completely blind.
That may not have come across as sarcasm. I don't know. Doing stuff that's supposed to be dark is hard... because you still need a player to be able to see things in some way.. and you need to take into account 1) The player's visual acuity, 2) The calibration, or lack thereof, of their display, and 3) Their lighting conditions. All things you can't control.
I'm also not sure if anyone's ever done something like real low-light eye adaptation
unborn bone
light spruce
I'm going to wish I had more beer
pearl elk
I still find it odd you cant open UE without opening a level
ionic flame
pearl elk
I couldnt even get Epics own UE5 demo project to open with the source build and you think you can get your UE4 project going ahahaha
real palm
I still find it odd you cant open UE without opening a level
what would you be working on? Assets? 
Nobody works on assets
pearl elk
Its just puzzling its not like other applications where you can work on multiple files at the same time, I do tend to copy/paste from other maps. What I always envisioned Unreal Engine as myself was more of a Virtual Machine type service which runs in the background even when youre in the IDE which is abit what Rider does but not quite there yet. For me the level editor is just a small part of it not the whole thing
real palm
That would be a very cool UE
Just close out all windows (which unloads what it can) but long processes keep running (building lighting, say)
You can summon the BP editor (and either then pick an asset, or pass it along with the launch string) from a launchy-like widget
pearl elk
yeah bit like running the editor as a dedicated server 😛
real palm
Just have every pane be able to be a dedicated window (instead of main tabs)
Close everything but the palette (so you can dock it next to Chrome and just populate the palette with suggestions from UE Forums
Literally only have a viewport running, perhaps as a showcase
That's so far off, architecturally
pearl elk
Well I did make this suggestion way back before UE4 launched so thats no excuse
they should have it done by now lol
real palm
Stuff like that would require exec buy in, hardcore tho
Pretty sure it'd take Tim wanting that feature set to get the ball rolling
While they're at it, they can uncouple everything from Game Framework
pearl elk
This is odd, its like UE4 with a facelift to me it doesnt feel like a new engine
UE3->UE4 was just a huge jump
cursive crypt
I kinda didn't got what are these new game framework plugins.
zinc matrix
This is odd, its like UE4 with a facelift to me it doesnt feel like a new engine
UE4 is already so big, why would you completely change it and confuse devs?
pearl elk
yeah I couldnt find those on a quick inspection, will look more now Im not tired 🙂
pearl elk
Its not about devs, its about production people spoke the same way about horses as youre talking about UE4
then Ford came along and woo, it was more than a facelift it changed production forever
the specific thing I mention about loading into a level is actually from UE1, one of the last remnants tbh
I already do alot of work outside UE in regards to assets etc so having access to the engine without having to boot up the whole shebang, just drop an asset quickly onto the content panel from another app would save me so much time. Lots of little things like that, having the VM there when working on game code would be invaluable to me too, much more than having to compile the entire project all the time
I get why it has to stay the same but as someone who has had to put up with 3dsmax's crap UI for over decades, kindly, eff that!
Progress is a good thing and Im tired of "progress for progress sake" argument
Im still gonna have to make my own gizmo, Im so over this ancient piece of turd
light spruce
"Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"
pearl elk
damnnit does this ValleyoftheAncient project not work?
keeps looking for UBT in the wrong place
okay thats odd, have to open it through the editor
thorny socket
hehe
solid aurora
Lumen may use hardware raytracing (;
regal pecan
Sounds like it doesn't work yet though
light spruce
Certainly seems like the hype was justified.
pearl elk
for those two features it certainly was, I get way better FPS for lumen than RT
that said UE4s RT did seem alot faster than games Ive played but that could be down to only testing demos not full games to compare with
really need AAA titles with similar feature sets to do a proper analysis
fathom wadi
Im disgusted with UE5. I mean, for years we complained that SteamVR is enabled by default. Load up my first project and what did it do? Loaded up SteamVR by default. How dare they. I want a refund.
cursive crypt
How is the VR share moving btw? Seems still niche for gaming.
fathom wadi
VR is always going up as the cost comes down and people have confidence in the Quest 2. AR moving up too
fathom wadi
It's worth seeing if you can get a cheap Vive when people upgrade. It's still a solid headset and if you get a pair of Knuckles, its 10x better.
quasi mantle
Price won't be matter if you're collapsing to VR in less than an hour.
Also Vive costs a fortune here.
fathom wadi
If I upgrade mine I'll send you the one I have. It's a Vive Pre (the dev version) but it's the same as the release version
quasi mantle
Wait, really?
I'm now concerned about the customs across border...
fathom wadi
well I know you would use it for a good purpose. If not the gaming side, at least testing out some unreal stuff. And I'm always willing to help people making unreal stuff, unless they are asshats and I don't get that vibe from you 🙂
quasi mantle
Well, I honestly want to see if my motion sickness can be cured at all with even more prolonged/daily adaptation...
fathom wadi
I get motion sickness but usually only from badly created VR. If they know what they are doing, it's minimal and you get used to it after a time
quasi mantle
Alright then.
I really appreciate the help and even thinking about passing your old one once you bought a new one 🙂
Terimakasih.
fathom wadi
Pass it on.
It's a good trait to have because if everyone does it, the whole world benefits.
broken sigil
fluid bloom
I wish I had my new 3080 RTX
goddamn MSI is a worthless vendor
oh wait, was it even msi... gotta check
yes
MSI: never again
regal pecan
Previous card died out? Was the 3080 supposed to be a replacement?
fathom wadi
Im going to run another Gigabyte Aorus if I get a 3080. The 1080ti xtreme has been the best card I've ever had.
fluid bloom
nah just a regular upgrade
I currently have a 970 GTX
it just doesn't cut it anymore 😄
fathom wadi
Bah. Everytime I click the UE5 sample project to download, the launcher crashes. I guess that saves me 100gb at least :/
pearl elk
Someone should get a torrent going 😜
fathom wadi
I'll just make my own level I guess. I mean, I saw the demo earlier tonight so I know what it entails and the overview of the sample project holds enough information to recreate methods.
light spruce
My brain is incompatible with VR until they change the way they do lenses and screens
fathom wadi
the new vive seems to be on the right track with a higher FOV. But I always thought the binocular approach was too restricted. In some situations you forget about it though
light spruce
I can't not see the flares from Fresnel lenses. And I don't know what density it'd have to be for me to not see the screen door effect. Probably something with a native resolution that would require multi-GPUs to come back
quasi mantle
<@&213101288538374145> Spam/phishing
fluid bloom
😄
slow gyro
fluid bloom
sorry
fathom wadi
@light spruce the screendoor effect is minimal on the Vive. The last time it bothered me was on the DK2 really. The Oculus CV1 all but eliminated it. Its still apparent on the Vive 1.0 mostly when you are in the highest or lowest contrast views, but anything with a nice mix of colours blends it out. Plus you relax your eyes when you use it longterm so you see past it. But its still there if you focus on it. I would imagine the latest 2k per eye screens wouldn't have much of an issue with it.
light spruce
I had a rift. My brain just can't ignore stuff like that.
Just how my visual processing works.
fathom wadi
yeah it took me ages to get past it. I had to do dev work in a DK1 and DK2 and they were so bad for it. So the Vive was a relief and the CV1 actually impressed me with how small the effect looked
I've been saving my playthough of HL:Alyx for the next headset I get. I want to get some creamy goodness going first.
light spruce
I mean, I still notice the ... weird matte coating on the Dell Ultrasharp displays that I've had in regular use for 9 years
At least it's not 100% of the time on that
median wraith
Nice, you can port now the Blue Physics
😜
Make sure you set Nanites to Complex as Simple
😂
light spruce
game design, house plan, game design, house plan, game design, house plan, game design, house plan......can't decide what to do.
cursive crypt
plan design
light spruce
announce an announcement?
broken sigil
Nice, you can port now the Blue Physics
That wouldn't be a bad idea 👀
carmine frigate
the world runs on bad ideas
pearl elk
Theres no bad ideas only bad implementations :)
light spruce
I'm pretty sure there are both
@pearl elk Odd question: did you ever play Receiver?
median wraith
Okay
if you don't use nanite disable it with r.nanite because will return you almost 2ms back
light spruce
What kind of frame times are you getting with it on?
quasi mantle
Giving a Replica AI a shot, and wow, it's bad to my ears.
I think I can get away with comic book style dialogues instead of becoming laughing stock with AI voice acting.
pearl elk
<@!156366027322687488> Odd question: did you ever play Receiver?
Nope never heard of it before
carmine frigate
moonbase 😛
light spruce
There's also the "mm-rrrmm==-rmrmrmr0-fmmfrmrmrmfmmmf" noise stuff some people do
pearl elk
Only 2ms for nanite, what a bargain
carmine frigate
does the launcher run on UE5 now?
light spruce
I just thought of it because I was going to make some joke about making a shitty game that involved having to assemble an FAL... and that's about how far I got before I remembered Receiver and wondered if you had ever played it
carmine frigate
100 gig for that ue5 sample project?
light spruce
I'm really unclear why they put in a Glock 17 with a full auto mod versus... just a Glock 18
pearl elk
Most game devs arnt too weapon savvy, Id say that has alot to do with it
light spruce
See, that's what's odd about it... because the stuff is mechanically correct
Because there is a modification for a Glock 17 and part of the replacement they have in it... It replaces the striker cover plate on the back, sticks out past the slide, and has a cross-bolt type selector
quasi mantle
We had this idea of putting Beretta 92 into my game, but deemed too modern for steampunk fantasy.
So we merged Beretta 92 with 1911
pearl elk
Maybe they bought the model
light spruce
Doubtful. It's just not all that common, really. It's basically just a purposefully odd decision
Because an 18 just looks like any other Glock but it has a rotating selector on the left side of the slide
Also, merging a Beretta 92 with a 1911 makes me sad for so many reasons
pearl elk
I just think it might not have been a concious decision more just rolling with what they know
light spruce
And makes me thing of that South African gun that was a Beretta 92 copy with a weird slide built up around it
That's the thing you have to have sticking out of the back where you'd normally have a small plate
quasi mantle
Shouldn’t this change to UE5?
Not yet. UE5 isn't in full release.
pearl elk
light spruce
Is that an air pistol or a single shot .22 with a weight?
I kinda wish I didn't have a polished barrel on my Beretta. Black probably would have gone better with the paint.
median wraith
https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1129310/ss_0dacc7a49a5a88290fc...
Receiver 2
Oh actually you posted it lol
median wraith
Only 2ms for nanite, what a bargain
What gpu?
You have a master gpu it dont count xd
2ms is the nanite base cost for without even use nanite
median wraith
Lol
Well the overall
https://twitter.com/phyronnaz/status/1397878081591791621?s=19 wellthis is sad
pearl elk
Ryzen 9 5950X (stock clock), 64GB DDR4-3600, Radeon RX 6900 XT in Rage Mode
quasi mantle
https://twitter.com/phyronnaz/status/1397878081591791621?s=19 wellthis is sad
Guess I'm in a peace of mind for sticking with PhysX
pearl elk
theres definitely something up with UE5 though, I get huge hitching, drops from 80-90fps down into the red at times
pearl elk
yup this GPU supports hardware RT, its not as fast as a 3080s RT cores but it does alright
I actually need more RAM tbh, I do run out from time to time already 😛
light spruce
Which makes my question even more interesting
pearl elk
its because you gotta multiply RAM per core, with my 8 thread machine 32GB was plenty but with this 32 thread machine 64GB aint enough because of the ratio
( I also have 600 tabs open in my browser)
slate lichen
light spruce
I don't know how people live like that
Reminds me of a guy I knew back in the early 2000s. Straight Linux guy. He'd need to switch to working on something.. so he'd just create a new workspace... and then sometime later he'd realize he had about 35 of them sitting there
pearl elk
I dont even get close to using my GPU RAM though, need more games to push it to the limits 😛
light spruce
VRAM hasn't really been much of a limiting factor for some time now
pearl elk
I think thats why Nvidia decided on smaller amounts
I like having about the same VRAM as a modern console does in total though, gives me that piece of mind any port will fit in there okay
light spruce
And they could increase their margins... as well as have someone upsell on more VRAM that won't get used
Big part of why VRAM hasn't been an issue... you have to control your assets going into that pretty tight for consoles
Also, that direct streaming off of NVME is actually something pretty damn good with new consoles
pearl elk
yeah the only platform where you have high end room to play is PC so its not the best investment, its better to go lower and you open up all those other platforms
there is the resizable BAR thing too now which allows system memory to play more of a role
light spruce
Art direction is vastly more important anyway... a lot of people miss that.
light spruce
Do you remember when there was that AMD crossfire type stuff using an APU and a GPU?
(did anyone on the planet ever use crossfire?)
pearl elk
Im only a recent convert to AMD so Ive never used it
light spruce
It was an interesting idea... The problem obviously being that if you put any kind of vaguely functional graphics chip in with your CPU... you've got some serious TDP problems
Which is why all the APUs had lower CPU clocks
pearl elk
well theyre still exploring that stuff in laptops, as they shrink more they can fit better tech in there
light spruce
I don't super keep up with stuff... but is AMD doing any kind of that "big/little" core stuff in the future?
pearl elk
for a desktop though for heat dispersal its good to have chips separated, SoC has benefits but the latency is less of an issue when going for torque
light spruce
Obviously a lot easier to have a unified thermal solution whenever you just have the one chip too
pearl elk
yeah but theres only so much you can do to move heat away quickly, you have to design chips in a way that heat doesnt build up too much in one area which is why the big/little thing works well it creates a nice buffer
light spruce
That's not the only benefit to that setup
pearl elk
thats where AMD are killing it on desktop their all core boosts are pretty impressive
light spruce
There was an article on ars about how Apple is handling OS scheduling for their M1 chips
pearl elk
yeah but its tricky to compare reduced instructions against complex
light spruce
But if you could trade a couple full peformance cores for 4 - 6 of those low performance ones... it's pretty substantial gain for a lot of cases.
it's actually not related to the instruction set part
it's simply due to the core type and their scheduler
pearl elk
Intel have big/little x86 chips now so thats a better comparison for the architecture and the benefits of that design
light spruce
Do they actually have ... wait.. aren't they just like some weird mashup of an i-whatever and an atom or something?
pearl elk
Alder Lake later in the year will do the big/little on x86
light spruce
I would probably read anything written by Jim Salter.
pearl elk
hybrid architecture utilizing Golden Cove high-performance cores and Gracemont power-saving cores.
light spruce
Dude knows his shit and also made one of the best and simple utilities for automated ZFS snapshots under Linux
pearl elk
Id be more willing to look into Mac if the CEO wernt a tw..t
I appreciate what Apple have done from a hardware standpoint but its tricky to balance that with how I feel about them from a business standpoint
maybe if I could run a modded Ubuntu on it not their crap
light spruce
Yeah... I've got plenty of mixed feelings.
Someone had something running to some degree on it
I don't remember what. I read a bit about it a while back now.
Thing is.. mac os is like every other os... all of them are terrible
pearl elk
Im always looking for viable options, Im not exactly a happy MS user 😛
light spruce
You're just picking which software you can run... and after that.. which things you find the least shitty
There were a number of things that I liked about OS X
pearl elk
I do feel like Windows is part of the reason why modern hardware feels so clunky, it adds too much abstraction between you and what you want to do. I do appreciate Apples idea about getting closer to the Metal and they obviously do have some cool ideas about UIs... Shame they never pushed a decent multi button mouse or analog keyboard 🙂
median wraith
Meanwhile the guy of the voxel engine https://twitter.com/tuxedolabs/status/1397682708227239942?s=19
Twitter
light spruce
There are always trade offs.
median wraith
300000 particles 60fps,me a peasant with 300 spheres 30fps
light spruce
Abstraction is easier and safer
pearl elk
Part of the issue with Intel and AMD lately is the scaremongering over meltdown, spectre etc
the scheduling has gone out of the window, they used to be able to use prediction to really speed it up
but since said prediction causes a flaw very few people will actually have exploited, it got patched out and boop, slow windows for everyone
wouldnt surprise me if M1 suffers a similar fate soon enough
light spruce
It's been so long since I've looked at the technical details of it
I remember that it did something stupid that wasn't just because of speculative execution
It's also a silicon issue, which means that you can disable those protections. Which reminds me.. I have no idea if mine is set that way or not now
pearl elk
I do know Apple can go wider too because x86 is abit bogged down with extra instructions but Apple still use an AI chip which does similar stuff to AVX
Its not all because of their CPU
or "cores"
which Im still disappointed about, how do you have a company called Apple and not have Apple Core
pearl elk
they have a package in their OS called Core by all accounts
Apple Care can be confused with Apple Car
the myth, the legend
light spruce
Asked and answered!
pearl elk
Theres new ones anyways 🙂
light spruce
I would really like Windows to be built on something that isn't so much legacy cruft
And.. you know.. have a modern filesystem... that's the one that really bugs me
pearl elk
Well its better than it was, these days its mostly just bloat though. Im hopeful of a Win10 Win7 style revision
Win10 has some potential its just so full of itself 😛
light spruce
Like I said... they're all awful
pearl elk
yup, I actually dont mind Android tbh but even thats made worse by poor choices
sorry you cant copy/paste a link, you have to "share"
which is fine till you find out youre sharing a 1500 character link ;P
light spruce
I can absolutely copy/paste or do share and then "copy" from there
God. Link gore. Gotta love that.
pearl elk
I cant copy/paste from the chrome address bar, I really gotta stop using it on my phone
light spruce
I haven't used Chrome on it in quite a while. You used to be able to.. but.. it's not like they don't fuck around with things all the time.
pearl elk
they removed that ability to guide you to the share button, so you can copy link in share but why the extra abstraction for no reason
light spruce
Google, home of ADHD
pearl elk
its stuff like that though on every OS, they all do it and its just frustrating as hell
light spruce
I need to look at Edge on Android
pearl elk
even distros of Linux like Ubuntu do crazy shit like that now
light spruce
Yeah, I won't run Ubuntu because Canonical does dumb shit
pearl elk
they used to be too cool to follow trends but nope, its all bubbly and clicky
light spruce
My break point was when they put in the local DNS caching server
pearl elk
crazy thing is people growing up with these sorts of things wont see anything wrong, this sort of intuitiveness will seem foreign because they are so well trained
light spruce
Artists.
pearl elk
Cult of the Ribbon
light spruce
So many artists don't realize how dog shit their art apps are because they just learn "okay, this is how I do <whatever>" as a series of steps
With no logic applied at any point
light spruce
I know I don't.
Thing is, I'm very in the middle where that no man's land is between artists and technical stuff
pearl elk
I do think Epic noticed that with changes to UE5, its a step in the right direction in terms of the main viewport, I was just disappointed to see all the subeditors were UE4 default
light spruce
I haven't even looked at it since I didn't have any reason to
pearl elk
I remember suggesting with UE4 beta to make material editor flow the same direction as Blueprint and they were worried because UE3 material editor flowed the opposite way that people wouldnt get it
if you watch a UDK material tutorial you have to flip it
light spruce
For me, I find the material editor frustrating no matter what
They did at least do a pretty good job of the way you can dock and split palette windows and all of that though
Why you can't just have a single content browser or have the multiple ones work right is beyond me though
I can't remember what it is about it that doesn't work right. I just know that there was something... And you have the option for four separate content browsers for ... some reason
pearl elk
I think its because some sort of tabs under the content browser would be too much
even though you got tabs in tabs in tabs in other subeditors 😛
light spruce
Yeah. I actually have some of that on purpose
pearl elk
tbh I dont like that BP functions are show as tabs
I think Id prefer if they were on the graph with the events just more distinct in their own little box
light spruce
like the equivalent of expanding a collapsed node?
light spruce
ehhhhhh that one is definitely a workflow preference there
I flip back and forth between stuff a lot, depending on what I'm doing
pearl elk
I get buried in tabs when people make excessive use of functions, its not so bad in text because you can see all the functions on one page but a function per tab urrrgh nope
light spruce
constantly wandering around would be sort of a thing
That's also where it gets into a dependency on how complex a function needs to be
There are certainly ones where it's like.. six nodes..
And .. yeah.. you don't need a tab for that
pearl elk
well in Unreal Engine even if its a getter it gets a whole page tab for itself 😛
maybe UE5 will inspire me to write some plugins to try to solve some of this stuff
must admit if I go through my wishlist I made for UE4 Epic has forfilled quite alot of them from the earlier years
light spruce
Whatever that damned ... wire plugin thing is is fantastic
now I need to go look it up
Man.. I'm tired of these video results in google
Electronic Nodes. That's what it was. https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/electronic-nodes
God. The misalignment of nodes and/or pins... lkshgdl;ahgkj
pearl elk
flat look is interesting, Im assuming it doesnt solve some of the issues with hotspots
I find sometimes you'll miss drag by a few pixels and it'll fail requiring you to do the thing again
the hotspots seem to be on the node itself rather than floating above
light spruce
oh
It took me a second to realize what you were talking about
I'm not sure even God could fix that
pearl elk
yeah the little glowy bits when you mouse over 🙂
light spruce
oh shiiiiiit what is this Darker Nodes thing?
pearl elk
sounds like black magic
light spruce
third image in the gallery uses his plugin called Darker Nodes that's basically a theme
That... solves something I hate about the editor
cursive crypt
lol, I kinda can't stand anything other than the default routing. These angled connections are put off.
light spruce
I don't know!
I know that I always changed the default spline settings before using that plugin anyway
I'm not sure exactly how I had mine set up. I haven't touched Unreal in months
pearl elk
I just use curvy, my performance isnt impacted that heavily. Id imagine using more straight improves performance abit
quasi mantle
<https://github.com/hugoattal/DarkerNodes/wiki>
This repo bamboozle me harder than fake PS4 emulator repos
Guess I'll either steal icons from UE5 or make my own icon set.
light spruce
With the default ... if you have some really long stuff.. you wind up with them overlapping where they shouldn't
Because they'll tend to turn into an S
pearl elk
I wish I could pop wires behind the graph grid tbh hehe
they have em pop out where I need em
reroute hole
pearl elk
I got a huge list, support me on Patreon and sub to my OnlyCoderFans
light spruce
No one is a fan of coders
light spruce
lolololofkdj;aghggkkbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
carmine frigate
i want grappler nodes, so when i select a node i can press firebutten and it shoots the line out and grabs if it is a valid connection
and mayB cluster nodes , it just grabs everything
pearl elk
hows about a BP spider which goes around wiring missing things for you
light spruce
I'm suddenly reminded of using Reason
carmine frigate
homing nodes, if u drag a float it finds the nearest float connection
light spruce
This is definitely the kind of wiring stuff you want to have happening
pearl elk
yup that looks like my BP structs
pearl elk
cable ties?
light spruce
If only.
You can turn them off.. but then you just have boxes everywhere instead...
Kind of shit either way
pearl elk
hows about a transportation wire which is like a big wire which can carry a load of other wires 😛
maybe cable is a better term
light spruce
That would actually be a pretty good idea
pearl elk
like so
light spruce
With a breakout node if you just needed to pull part of it off
pearl elk
yeah make/break like struct node
light spruce
I was actually thinking more along the lines of something like a reroute node
So it didn't have to be big
pearl elk
well it has multiple input/outputs
light spruce
or bake it into the reroute node itself for that matter
deep glen
hnng havent used Reason in so long
pearl elk
despite bugs BP tends to be 1:1 with wiring points
light spruce
I'm thinking of the case where you're going to need all the outputs of this node.. to go into the inputs of the next node... so you could just have that one cable that goes between them instead of like five wires... and then if you needed.. I don't know.. an actor. Right click a reroute node > break out > "BallsActor" and you get a wire for it to do whatever with
pearl elk
thats how the struct node works, you dont need to show all inputs/outputs
light spruce
I'm not sure how relevant Reason still is at this point... I heard they finally added VST support though
pearl elk
there are other nodes which have the + add pin too
light spruce
Yeah. I know how the struct node works. But not everything is going to take a struct.
light spruce
I think we're talking past each other at this point
light spruce
No, it's not. But I was saying that's a place you could bake that functionality in rather than creating a specific "cable breakout" node
pearl elk
you would have wires just disappear into a big hole in your graph
light spruce
The cake is a lie
light spruce
that's a pretty big version jump
pearl elk
youre right Kismet 0.5
light spruce
Really, you should just be writing plugins for Lumberyard
that's.. still a thing.. right?
light spruce
Is it weird that I actually believe Chris Evans could tear a log in half?
carmine frigate
i once installed lumberyard
pearl elk
with his abs alone
light spruce
I once installed lumberyard too
I seem to recall just installing it was a massive pain in the ass
pearl elk
I once got wood from Chris Evans
light spruce
He and Stephen Amell got some abs
I have accomplished absolutely nothing in the past several hours.
pearl elk
I designed 10 plugins, solved world hunger and finished a game
light spruce
I drank too much coffee and got tired
pearl elk
I feel like there should be something called goatmeal
deep glen
i battled with my internet provider for hours and hours because the person helping was a doofus that disconnected the call each time the internet came back on after I rebooted the router, even though I kept explaining to him that within a few minutes the internet would go poof.
https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2021/05/27/dragon-quest-3-hd-2d-remake-octopath-traveler/
this cracks me up
mossy nexus
Is Octo thingy just a custom UE4 build?
deep glen
just some blueprint tools in ue4
prolly partially a custom build, but a lot you can do out of the box
median wraith
Is Octo thingy just a custom UE4 build?
We don't even know if is even a custom build
cursive crypt
yohoo sale, I was just wondering today whether to buy or not to buy
ue5 is so meh, ue6 is the best
cursive crypt
That must be some Freedom conversion.
indigo jewel
you guys has someone experience with this error while installing visual studio MSI: D:\ProgramData\Microsoft\VisualStudio\Packages\Microsoft.VisualStudio.VsWebProtocolSelector.Msi,version=16.10.31206.173\Microsoft.VisualStudio.VsWebProtocolSelector.Msi.msi, Properties: REBOOT=ReallySuppress ARPSYSTEMCOMPONENT=1 MSIFASTINSTALL="7" VSEXTUI="1" VSFOLDER="H:\Visual Studio\Shared" Return code: 1603 Return code details: Fatal error during installation. Message Id: 1324 Message Details: The folder path 'Visual Studio' contains an invalid character.
mossy nexus
Like Donald Duck?
indigo jewel
@zinc matrix I don't?
quasi mantle
<@456226577798135808> I don't?
whitespaces often hated by programs.
indigo jewel
I can't edit the path tho
quasi mantle
64 bit is almost 1950 light years.
Assuming every unsigned integer equates to one metre.
median wraith
🤔
stoic turtle
Did Apple and Epic Solve their bs yet?
quasi mantle
Did Apple and Epic Solve their bs yet?
Waiting for verdict.
stoic turtle
Damn , taking long
quasi mantle
Damn , taking long
The judge knows how to build up suspense for the epic final anime episode.
I mean, Tim Cook got cornered so hard yesterday, and Tim Sweeney's tweet seem to be celebratory.
stoic turtle
I hope it ends , I’m concerned about Ios development
Oh both are named tims
Didnt know epics have a tim
quasi mantle
Didnt know epics have a tim
Always has been.
Tim Sweeney is the father of Epic and Unreal Engine lol
light spruce
When programs don't like whitespace in directory and/or filenames, you should write them the most hateful mail for not doing their job right
quasi mantle
When programs don't like whitespace in directory and/or filenames, you should wr...
Unreal Engine: "I pretend not seeing that"
light spruce
There's no excuse for not supporting a filesystem feature...especially one that's existed for longer than some of you have been alive
stoic turtle
The potential of M1 And UE5 is great both companies will lose if they don’t collaborate
pearl elk
Honestly I dont think Apple cares too much
I just never got the vibe from them that they have a higher calling past the business where I do get that from Epic even if the business gets in the way from time to time
Take the Facebook and privacy stuff, thats a great selling point but why now why not back before Facebook got so huge, because back then they wernt a threat?
pearl elk
its about business right not some higher calling to protect its users
otherwise they would have done it day one and the fappening wouldnt have happened
light spruce
no company is altruistic
pearl elk
but Epic is Tim Sweeney you see, its not like Apple
Tim Cook is just another guy with a side part in a suit and a tie
see now there was a time when Apple was closer to Epic, but that was a long time ago
vague jacinth
Anyone with UE5 source have an issue with dotnet.exe? It opens like a billion processes and never shuts down when UE5 shuts down.
pearl elk
Possible but thats why dynamic duos work, you got one reeling in the other and they keep each other in check
light spruce
You're giving me Poe's Law problems, Mons
vague jacinth
It's in UnrealEngine\Engine\Binaries\ThirdParty\DotNet\Windows
pearl elk
I rekon thats how Carmack and Romero dynamic worked too, Carmack being the Woz
light spruce
Similar... but I've never had the impression that Carmack wasn't basically a robot.
pearl elk
he's just a machine in how he reasons in regard to business yeah lol
light spruce
Like Woz actually has a personality. And a sense of humor.
pearl elk
I just cant go past how he gave out the engine as GPL
does anyone here actually see Tim Cook doing anything nice? like truly
foggy path
Carmack and Romero = Woz and Ballmer
cursive crypt
Why not GPL? You make a product, you can put whatever license you want on it.
pearl elk
he looks like an evil mastermind from a Simpsons episode or somethin
foggy path
..okay that's not accurate at all I don't think lol
pearl elk
Why not GPL? You make a product, you can put whatever license you want on it.
I was using it as an example of people doing nice things
cursive crypt
Oh... nice
quasi mantle
I just cant go past how he gave out the engine as GPL
I still prefer MIT over fucking GPL
quasi mantle
Especially depending on the version
Don't get me started into GPL v2
pearl elk
but cmon guys what license does Apple have thats better than any GPL 😛
light spruce
When GPL can restrict what other software portions you use, that's a problem.
pearl elk
least with Unreal Engine I can download the thing, boot it up, use it no Warios
youre still missing the point
pearl elk
Apple can restrict the entire platform, GPL aint anywhere near that level of asshattery
median wraith
can we ship a title using GPL inside the Apple Store
and destroy the store from the inside ?
light spruce
No.
Because the only way for that situation to occur would be for you to have already violated the license to begin with
median wraith
Similar... but I've never had the impression that Carmack wasn't basically a rob...
Carmack have family, Tim no, who is the robot 👀
light spruce
Golden handcuffs are still handcuffs.
median wraith
thats new
foggy path
Well nothing says Carmack couldn't have been more "robotic" in his younger days
median wraith
still I love the id tech engines, but are just for 2 kinds of projects
foggy path
I certainly was more antisocial in my younger days lol
light spruce
Also I wasn't comparing him at all to Tim Cook. In fact, I haven't said anything about Tim Cook.
median wraith
he stole some Apple computer wasn't he ?
foggy path
He seems like a regular guy nowadays at least based on what I've seen
median wraith
is even in wikipedia
pearl elk
It just seems most of the time Apple, Valve companies like that get criticised and the topic changes deflecting criticism in other peoples directions
foggy path
a company exists to make money for its shareholders
pearl elk
it suddenly becomes about Epic and Tencent, shit like that
light spruce
I'm a mercenary for a good reason.
pearl elk
Well Ive levelled my fair share of criticism at Epic too, I know Im not unbiased entirely but the level of cultism in the Apple camp is unsettling
its worse than Southern Baptists at a Trump rally
foggy path
I don't think it's that bad lol
at least they're not advocating for evil shit
as far as I know? :p
pearl elk
try an Apple group on Facebook, but please leave a trail of breadcrumbs
pearl elk
yeah and sound business sense should tell you not to put all your Apples in one basket 😛
foggy path
but good, it worked.
mossy nexus
Just noticed the launcher seems to be much fast at loading the vault.
pearl elk
lol damn thats abit NSFW
foggy path
I wonder what's going on with that Bill Gates divorce thing... it vaguely sounded like he might get involved in the Epstein stuff...
tough bridge
@lime fulcrum what kinda projects you interested in?
median wraith
Bill, Elon and the Apple guy come from the same bottle
foggy path
median wraith
you cannot compare these to Tim or Carmack really
pearl elk
sus
light spruce
I would much rather kick Elon Musk in the balls than any other person mentioned
silk lily
sus
median wraith
People usually don't know the past history of these etc
Before he had R2D2 as child
pearl elk
can we just send all the rich people to be miners on Mars?
light spruce
sometimes... gunsmithing sucks butts, guys
pearl elk
tip to butt
median wraith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7PYQCXdX3A
oh this promotes steal in the market ?
lime fulcrum
<@273608747199234048> what kinda projects you interested in?
Interested in what way
light spruce
just like the navy
tough bridge
Interested in what way
You said you're a 3d modeler and animator.
You looking to make architecture projects? Cinematics? Walking simulators? Multiplayer FPS where you can fly?
lime fulcrum
Oh i thought u meant game dev projects specifically. I specialize in 3d for characters
cursive crypt
oh this promotes steal in the market ?
??
median wraith
@cursive crypt is taking food an eating it before pay lol
cursive crypt
aww... bad
tough bridge
Oh i thought u meant game dev projects specifically. I specialize in 3d for char...
And as an aspiring game dev, what's your play?
I always feel like it's good to have focus so I generally encourage newer people on the server to like 'pick' an initial project.
Do you want to do all the programming/blueprinting? Are you looking for others? What do you want out of learning UE, basically.
lime fulcrum
And as an aspiring game dev, what's your play?
I always feel like it's good to...
I mainly am good with art side but I def want to learn blueprints/coding as well. I'm working with a friend and we are planning on doing some game jam stuff to learn before deciding which game idea should be our first project
quasi mantle
Game jams are awesome and it's great fun
Except when family events intervening 🙃
pearl elk
its fun right up until your game gets torn apart by review
especially when the reviewers been up for 36hrs straight playing other peoples games and yours triggers em
quasi mantle
Imagine when the game jam happens for 1 week, but then family events forces you to be apart from your computery for days.
silk lily
u guys should watch this
all i can think after finishing the video,my question to the dev is whats the point of this google maps simulator made in unity
😂
you should watch it its super hilarious
mossy nexus
cursive crypt
Make fun as you want, but guys make money.
fluid lagoon
pearl elk
you should watch it its super hilarious
Does it say anywhere that it is actually a game?
quasi mantle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEdEy77BcQA
Monopoly has better gameplay than this lol
silk lily
Does it say anywhere that it is actually a game?
no but the people who buy the land think its agame
its straight up a pyramid scheme
silk lily
Monopoly has better gameplay than this lol
hahah facts
pearl elk
Some people get a kick out of economies, especially gambler types
fathom wadi
I get no kick from champagne. Mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all. So tell why should it be true. That I get a kick out of you
light spruce
I could use some of that yayo right now
pearl elk
Im guessing they might be relying on the fact some land developer wants to buy their actual location and around it so some Joe doesnt make a giant dong next to it in this virtual world 😛
quasi mantle
its straight up a pyramid scheme
Why people fell for it when buying Boardwalk and built hotel on it is way more satisfying?
light spruce
Monopoly is not a fun game.
And, if you have no other choice but to play it, you never play with anyone you ever want to speak to again.
quasi mantle
And, if you have no other choice but to play it, you never play with anyone you ...
I played monopoly with my sister. Still communicate with each other.
light spruce
Pretty sure you didn't play it right then
Hey, Second Life was a thing
maybe still is (I have no idea)
quasi mantle
YT recommendation strikes again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8u_k2LIZyo
pearl elk
I played alittle Second Life before
pearl elk
everyone was trying to buy fancy underwear 😛
and there were some odd chairs you didnt want to accidently sit on
light spruce
I vaguely recall something about how it had just turned entirely into fetishy stuff
cursive crypt
This is inevitable for any game allowing some customisation.
Like pirating say. If ppl pirate it and make lewd things with it, it is popular, have a beer.
pearl elk
light spruce
I think there's a mod for every single Cyberpunk 2077 character that makes them naked
pearl elk
Cyberpants 2077