#lounge
fathom wadi
I had one of them phones when I was a kid Jippmokk. It was red. I recall it on the day my brother was born when I was 2 years old. My sister answered it, started crying and said "you have a brother".
robust shale
awww :))
Yeah me to, I remember not being friends with some people with too many 9's and 0's, who has that kinda time
soft night
when real life is this interesting
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix still the same issues I mentioned last time I criticised it 🙂
zinc matrix
<@456226577798135808> still the same issues I mentioned last time I criticised i...
same image 😆 was my first try so i am making a better one
fathom wadi
did you make any progress?
fathom wadi
those were nice btw. Just the shoreline edge being too straight and the ground texture being flat and taking up 40% of the screen is detracting from the beauty
ponkkis knows 🙂
zinc matrix
got 6 years exp i think i am done after learning how to make a beautifull map 🙂
yes i understand :p
would be better if the edge was cut off
fathom wadi
if its an exercise in how to do it, and you are done. Move on I say. I often get stuck in perfectionism. Sometimes its just good enough
zinc matrix
more natural
yes in mine learning curve i try perfection till i can do slopy imperfection work
i dont need feedback 😄
fathom wadi
yeah but I dont hang out there and my self-opinionated views must be expelled !
zinc matrix
i want to see your landscapes to
to see what you people made so i can see difference between mine work and other so i can see how to work on my own improvements 🙂
fathom wadi
Im a programmer though. The thing is, if a programmer who doesn't do art can accurately criticise, then it's an obvious thing I would imagine. I wasn't trying to just be critical. I want to help because I liked the scene. If I didn't, I'd probably not even comment.
I think I apologised last time for the criticism too 😄
zinc matrix
yeah im a programmer to so this kinda sucks for me 😄 the criticise is needed; the next landscape i make is going to be more natural now of that comment :p
fathom wadi
It's actually inspiring. I have been trying to up my art game recently and I have an affinity with the ocean (as long as I am stood on the shore). So it would be nice to do a piece like that myself.
zinc matrix
well mine inspiration is mine childhood, 3 times a year to all the places in the world for always 2 to 3 weeks, as a child i never forget the images i had, when i think of that with the little bit of child fantasy in that time i can remake the scenes in ue4 with landmass. maybe better make a fantasy tropical game haha :p
median wraith
"i dont need feedback"
This is actually Tim Sweeney
fathom wadi
I've always lived by the sea. When I need to unwind, or think about things, I take a short walk and trance out at the ocean. I've written some of my best songs staring at the sea
zinc matrix
try to make that feeling into the landscape with a lighttower and your in :p
fathom wadi
hmm the time might be right for that with Ryan Brucks' water shader stuff. It looks fantastic
median wraith
you got many water shaders now there
median wraith
got 6 years exp i think i am done after learning how to make a beautifull map 🙂
in UE4 ?
median wraith
And why don't post directly your portfolio there, like you are posting showcase here but we got a channel for showcase
zinc matrix
ow thats nice didnt know that i never see farther as my nose haha
torpid star
so in Google vs Oracle case, that just got settled. Google won and proved that using an API isn't copyright infringement and is fair use. I wonder how that works out with UE plugins, since they use the copyrighted Unreal API's.
fathom wadi
@median wraith if you have time to make a portfolio, you ain't developing hard enough 🙂
@torpid star Unreal allows for fair use. But Editor Tech is another beast. It's not packaged, nor exported and you agree to the licensing when you use it for free. But it's not the only license available.
median wraith
true
torpid star
<@!542625708397166593> Unreal allows for fair use. But Editor Tech is another be...
I'm talking about thirdparty plugins
fathom wadi
I understand that but in what respect?
do you mean copying someone else's plugin for example?
torpid star
I'm talking about using Epic's API's in a separate thirdparty plugin, and if the engine license agreement encompasses said thirdparty plugin.
fathom wadi
but that is every third party plugin that works with Unreal. It has to use the API and custom types to interact.
torpid star
yeah and what I'm trying to say is, according to the Google v Oracle case and fair use, any thirdparty plugin that just uses Unreal API's (and doesn't copy code from the engine) isn't encompassed by the general epic games EULA
this isn't legal advice, just ramblings.
fathom wadi
i still dont get it 🙂 You mean something that doesn't work with Unreal, but uses the API ?
torpid star
if u dont get it u dont get it
fathom wadi
well explain it please. Thats is what Im asking but if you don't want to....
seriously.
torpid star
bit of a chore
fathom wadi
no need to be rude
median wraith
Man I don't have ideas, were looking for something but nothing I find looks like I wanted
fathom wadi
implementing realtime mesh lights. Go.
median wraith
no
fathom wadi
damn you ! Someone has to at some point though.
torpid star
no need to be rude
don't mean to rude, just tired of saying this over and over. anyhow I think what I'm saying is already the general consensus, thought I haven't found that in written form yet
fathom wadi
yeah you are. Truly you are. I believe in you !
@torpid star its all good man. I have no patience right for anything so I get it. 🙂
im probably one flippant comment away from stressing out enough to be rude to people. Life is tough sometimes.
Some good news to brighten the day. Ubisoft confirmed Netflix picked up The Division movie. Been waiting years for this.
fathom wadi
its all pending kill?
median wraith
it looks like
fathom wadi
seems odd unless it's being spawned out of bounds right? What is the asset meant to do?
median wraith
This product cannot get the HEV of quality
Is a infinite runner and is reusing the chunks
fathom wadi
ahh
median wraith
it seems like when you go further and score a lot it goes faster and cannot respawn them
humble remnant
Isn't it kinda supposed to just work
fathom wadi
not under all circumstances but to a degree 🙂
median wraith
What are the reference infinite runners this days ?
ivory lodge
Flappy bird.
ivory lodge
@median wraith oh...I'm old.
fathom wadi
I had the hair all nice and tidy and the initial impulses from the editor decided to freak it out 😄
robust shale
Man, I was working on an animal controller and misspelled "PawnMovementController" with "PAWMovementController" and giggled for a full a minute
I'm so lonely
fathom wadi
robust shale
More like
mossy nexus
I had the hair all nice and tidy and the initial impulses from the editor decide...
Looks like they are coming from his nose.
fathom wadi
I had to rotate the rig a little and flick his hair back like some slow-motion model looking sexy 😄
In my mind I said "this is MY laboratoire"
median wraith
The witcher 3 director leaves it seems
fathom wadi
personally I would have fired the gameplay designer but Im in the minority in that respect 😄
combat rolls out of the way
yes
I lasted until that giant in the field, which is probably 1 hour of boring conversations in.
aesthetically though... wow
I remember someone saying "actually the combat is really complex later on the in the game" so I checked out some later game footage and the dude was rolling around like an egg. I thought it was hilarious.
robust shale
my irl combat system involves rolling around like an egg
Combined with a move I learned from the material editor called "four-motion-way-chaos"
fathom wadi
I use 3-point lighting when I breakfall so the enemy gets confused by my shadows.
fathom wadi
I can't. My friend Ray Tracing would get mad at me.
robust shale
Ahh, you need my friend Justin Time
fathom wadi
Is he the one who sold me A Round Tuit? Because I never got A Round Tuit.
robust shale
That's pretty far-fetched as name puns go 🙂
fathom wadi
That's pretty far-fetched as name puns go 🙂
I saw it on a decorative plate once
golden nest
hey guys having an issue where the reload animation is playing on server when a client reloads. appreciate any help 🙂
fathom wadi
golden nest
<#221799385611239424>
ok
robust shale
I knew my granny was losing it when I saw a decorative plate she'd made that said "THEY TRYIN' TO STEAL MA TEEETH"
solid aurora
personally I would have fired the gameplay designer but Im in the minority in th...
you are not. I would do it. Gameplay Designers who don't know how program and think in terms of working systems are useless
unless it is out of context and is about recent cdp drama
then
well typical progressive drama
the guy was innocent for real
fathom wadi
no I just didn't enjoy the Witcher 3 combat. This was before I even cared who CDPR were :p But when the world went crazy for the game I had to try it. I was massively disappointed because I love RPG games and wanted a nice realtime combat version after Dragon Age Inquisition.
dense storm
!roll 1 d20
turbid spindleBOT
@dense storm, :game_die: 2
molten oriole
!roll 1 d20
turbid spindleBOT
@molten oriole, :game_die: 4
molten oriole
we were just deciding who gets to fix some juniors mistake, carry on 😄
dense storm
!roll 3 d20
turbid spindleBOT
@dense storm, :game_die: 17, 6, 14
molten oriole
!roll 3 d20
turbid spindleBOT
@molten oriole, :game_die: 1, 17, 1
ivory lodge
Ok.. Done with work and time sensitive chores. Time to code.
fathom wadi
are you coding a way to make Facetracking work for Metahumans with an Android phone perhaps? No? Then you should. Someone pay this man his money !
humble remnant
I've made a number of attempts getting OpenFace to work with UE4 buuuuuut
That went nowhere
The creator doesn't even have proper support of the plugin
Says it contains a component when it simply doesn't
ivory lodge
@fathom wadi Nope... I'm going to make objects pulse red.
fathom wadi
this is driving me mad because 1. can't afford an Apple phone and 2. I'd feel morally bankrupt and a hypocrite for using it
ivory lodge
Um... Don't.
fathom wadi
not that android is any better but its what I have
fathom wadi
would be worth a look I'll check and see
humble remnant
I have a Kinect I could use for facial recognition but
I already adapted discord rich presence from scratch
Don't wanna do it again for Kinect
mossy nexus
There is a guy called Rob In Motion on YouTube that started to make a free face tracking app, it looked pretty good, and there is a version available (or at least there was) to download. It needs python and bits n bobs though, all free etc
ivory lodge
Meh... I'm so far away from mocap that it might as well not exist.
fathom wadi
I would look at google mediapipe but it's not really about the app, rather the interaction with the rig
humble remnant
I bought a Kinect for like 70$ including the needed modifications and cables and it's been serving well
mossy nexus
This is the guy. https://www.youtube.com/c/Squarecoin/videos
humble remnant
Worst case scenario I paid 70$ for a 1080p camera 
fathom wadi
currently metahumans are setup for ARKit and Live Link only
ivory lodge
My old unreal project is stuck loading at 45%... I wonder if it's broken.
fathom wadi
no its compiling shaders for your new engine version
mossy nexus
compiling
humble remnant
Yeah, it's just compiling the basics
mossy nexus
why isn't there a emoji thingy for 'compiling'? Hmmm
fathom wadi
someone should edit the Progress code section and spawn a widget that says "Hold onto your fannypack, we bring you the jelly"
That CGMatter dude is mental.
I watched a tutorial by him for candles and he was eating a carrot and pacing his room at the same time
for sure
anyone who can make a tutorial video that way has to know their stuff. I'd be pausing/editing and double checking everything as I went 😄
ivory lodge
IanHubert is mental: https://youtu.be/icqLFiwpNlM
fathom wadi
he's a legend
mossy nexus
ivory lodge
Mee too.\
I wish I could develop games as fast as Ian does his tutorials.
I could put out a game a month with a week's vacation every month.
The only problem with blender is you can be sloppy with the UVs. Unreal does not play well with shared UV coordinates.
I made some good looking stuff and then exported it to unreal and the shadows ruined everything.
So no wrapping UVs.
Unless it's emissive.
It uses the UVs for lightmaps.
UV coords.
Yes... that was a lesson I didn't not want to have to learn.
fathom wadi
@ivory lodge when in doubt, pack to islands with 2 pixel gaps. Tends to work.
or rather 0.002 or whatever the value is in blender
I use udims incorrectly because I can 😄
ivory lodge
Yes, but when you are in a autism/manic fueled creation fugue, you can't be bothered with minor things like logic and consistancy.
fathom wadi
well its a consistent rule across most apps. The lightmap issue with unreal is obviously another case for it
ivory lodge
Or eating... or sleeping. Or feeding the dog. Or kids. Whatever.
fathom wadi
a udim should be more optimal otherwise it would be absolutely useless in Unreal and they added support for it. But I'd use it more for LOD of materials than splitting materials into different UV spaces. Although you can.
ie. if I want a 2k texture on a face, but the rest I can get away with 1k etc.
I dont really bother about all that as my materials are probably pure shite and have too many draw calls anyway 😄
yeah UDIMS have all kinds of magic tricks you can do with them if so inclined. But it does occur to me now about how unused tiles are handled.
Stupid lawsuit of the day.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/381038/Sony_facing_lawsuit_over_monopoly_on_digital_PlayStation_game_sales.php
pearl elk
Stupid lawsuit of the day.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/381038/Sony_faci...
Why is it stupid? Maybe people are finally waking up
ivory lodge
@fathom wadi I think activision won against Atari on a similar arguement.
pearl elk
If the only thing Sony sold were Sony products I might agree that its stupid
fathom wadi
well we shall see. Seems like if you buy on a platform that offers you unlimited downloads of said app digitally that you pay a premium.
ivory lodge
That's a major difference but it will be interesting to hear the arguement.s
Cool, flashing hightlights are working...
pearl elk
Sony also doesnt let you download games indefinitely, if your PS bios battery dies youre screwed 🙂
fathom wadi
I just always considered the markup on PSN to be warranted considering the service is always there when you need to download it. I don't particularly like paying so much extra, but then I have that option to buy it from a store and input the code, and those traders are everywhere.
quasi mantle
Stupid lawsuit of the day.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/381038/Sony_faci...
Pretty sure this is a meme lawsuit, from disgruntled coalition of Steam fanboys in 4chan or something.
ivory lodge
Screw that. I'll make my own game. With blackjack. And Hookers!
fathom wadi
its not even like you buy physical games when you goto the store anymore anyway. It's a box with a code in it
pearl elk
not for PS games
fathom wadi
I know some are disc based but it's on the tail end of that system wouldn't you say?
pearl elk
yeah but EB Games cant stock the codes for PS games even if they wanted to
hence... lawsuit
fathom wadi
I dunno. Perhaps they have an ace in the hole I haven't really thought about.
ivory lodge
warweasle files lawsuit to have sex with Natalie Portman.
ivory lodge
Worth it!
pearl elk
see if it were only Sony products on Sony store then its like well all good, thats just business. When you purposefully circumvent the free market to get a stranglehold on a particular segment of the market, thats not legit
Steams being sued too so it really isnt a one off, theyre all getting hit
MS has managed to stay out of the firing line because of the MS anywhere campaign
ivory lodge
And they are the most guilty because they literally paid people not to develop games for Windows....
"We will pay you to only make it for the XBOX."
"That's a windows box."
"So, we are paying you."
pearl elk
unfortunately in MS case the past is the past, most Xbox games are on Windows and the GamePass thing covers you on multiple platforms
MS also sell their products on Android, Mac etc
ivory lodge
Then when they got sued, they paid politicians to de-fang the DOJ.
pearl elk
Nintendo even have products on Android 😛
I think the one thing people forget in the case of consoles vs phones though in regards to Epic vs Apple is that phones are more general purpose computing devices. They arnt just for playing games or entertainment even though thats a large market segment
no one boots up their Playstation in the morning ready to open Excel and get to work
for phones that is a thing
fathom wadi
anyone have an old iphone X they want to donate to a worthy cause?
asking for a friend. Which is me. I am my friend.
pearl elk
such disrespect of the legacy, how dare you call any iphone old
fathom wadi
Im just thinking cheap and cheerful. Need that face tracking for Metahumans otherwise im manually animating the facial rig and that's gonna look awful.
ivory lodge
@fathom wadi You are in gamedev. We all know you secretly hate yourself.
Therefore you are not friends.
pearl elk
best face tracing uses a 2 point system, might I suggest you update your question to ask for 2 iphone X's 😛
fathom wadi
its true. My imposter syndrome slapped me the other day. I was about to call the police.
@pearl elk probably but I can't afford one 😄
ivory lodge
Police are free. They make money by sending people to privately run prisons.
pearl elk
with a 1 point system you get kinda a pancake look, its not bad by any means but you dont capture the stretching near the ears or the jawline quite as well.
fathom wadi
yeah I lip read and I've yet to see even hollywood lip syncing to be perfect though. So if I get halfway its ok. Some of the stuff I've seen so far looks kinda good. A bit exaggerated but I can tone it down manually
ivory lodge
@fathom wadi Do you have your entire game built already?
fathom wadi
lord no what do I look like? David Rockefeller? 😄
pearl elk
you could if you had an iPhone X 😛
fathom wadi
this use case is just for the 11second club animation competition. Trying to win a laptop so I can hock it, buy an iphone and give the animation mentoring to my daughter 😄
ivory lodge
But the major question is: Should have a second beer?
ivory lodge
Um... that would be too much. I really don't like being drunk.
Holy, hell. It built.
pearl elk
speaking of builds, time to get busy so I can get my weekend testing build done
ivory lodge
Wow... I'm really cruising tonight. I created a system to add/remove interactable objects when my player is next to them... so I can figure out the closest and highlight it. Almost have it working too.
Interfaces are fun.
ivory lodge
@zinc matrix I need to add line traces so you can't interact through a wall.
fathom wadi
line traces are ok, but I prefer before they have been sniffed. Then you get the full line 😄
ivory lodge
@light spruce That actually does not sound like fun. That sounds like: "I lost my girlfriend to my arch enemy and now they are feeding my dog through a woodchipper."
light spruce
ride them rails
Jesus
if things are going to go that bad after six beers, I'm not sure you should have had the first one
Because apparently you're teetering on the brink of disaster even before that
ivory lodge
@light spruce Oh, no. That would be why I started with the intent to drink so much.
Rough day = 1 beer... MAYBE 2.
light spruce
The bottles on my floor are purely decorative
fathom wadi
9 years without a drink for me. Not got a problem with it. It just tastes like tramp's anuses.
oddly enough only lager and rum ever gave me much next day despair. The rest tended to leave my system before I woke up
ivory lodge
@fathom wadi Yeah, I was dry for a long time but then I had to see if I was going to go binge. Turns out, I don't like drunk. Just that warm feeling after 1 or 2.
And since I have no tolerance... 1 is usually more than enough.
light spruce
I don't drink beer much these days. Not a great selection and, doing the math, I'd probably rather have bourbon
No one needs 16 different IPA choices
I don't think I even could have picked up a pack of Guinness last time
ivory lodge
Let's see if my highlightifier works...
pearl elk
Ive never drank enough to find out what tramps anus tastes like
light spruce
Based on what I drink, delicious apparently
ivory lodge
@pearl elk Well, it's an acquired taste...
pearl elk
I only drink good beer or top shelf whiskey
light spruce
Wild Turkey 101 was as high end as I'd go. I'm too poor for that super fancy shit.
ivory lodge
Wild Turkey tastes like headache.
light spruce
the regular stuff isn't nearly as good
I wouldn't mind one right now. Goddamned arm hurts from vaccine fun
pearl elk
I cant afford line tracecs
light spruce
I only do capsule traces
ivory lodge
One more try and I will tell myself it's the last.
Interfaces to blueprints are hard.
light spruce
That's what I said about Reggie's Discount Yayo
ivory lodge
Wow.. it worked.
I'm using my GasInterface to capture all the interactable objects near me and hightlight them. Wow. A ton of work for one night.
Have a good night. I'm going to play something.
light spruce
Did they give you a Saturn Award?
light spruce
Can't expect a monkey to paint another monkey while on ketamine
I feel like I've been lost in the k-hole and I've never taken ketamine
fathom wadi
If you have never tasted a tramp's anus, have you truly lived?
light spruce
uh
How would you be able to tell if anything infiltrated that ... I'm looking for a word and "shit show" just doesn't cover it.
I just know that if I knew someone who frequented 4chan, I wouldn't know anyone who frequented 4chan.
ivory lodge
4chan was weaponized by russia.
mossy nexus
If you have never tasted a tramp's anus, have you truly lived?
If you have ever tasted a tramp's anus, how are you still alive...? 😄
ivory lodge
Angry young men are easy to manipulate.
fathom wadi
@mossy nexus Im not sure. I've died several times.
mossy nexus
I went looking for a suitable meme to reply to that Marc. However at some point I realised that I had forgotten what I was looking for and was still scrolling down them going 'nope, that's not right.. nope that's close but... nope that's weird.. and all the time not having a scoobie what the original thought had been.
I'll blame the time of night and the meds for slow brain think thingy. 😄
fathom wadi
humble remnant
pearl elk
Maybe Anon was Skynet this entire time
light spruce
maybe skynet was skynet this entire skynet
thorny dock
Idk if you saw on twitter but disabling this and restarting significantly increased memory performance
Search “discovery of a lifetime” and it will be the top result under top haha
fathom wadi
its not on by default tho
thorny dock
Yes it is, I’ve re installed windows about 3 months ago it was on for me. And multiple others in that thread
fathom wadi
not on my machine. Never touched that setting before either.
thorny dock
When you installed you unchecked everything they tried to push on you
fathom wadi
perhaps some app changed it
thorny dock
That’s why it was disabled
fathom wadi
its an out of context linked in post where he was talking about previously being informed it would be in june afaik.
but I dont think it's legit the case
pearl elk
thats a legit linkedin profile by the looks
ex-military too
I think the leaker might find themselves unfriended though for sharing what was probably meant to be private communications
fathom wadi
yeah hes legit. That post went by and I noticed it myself but the context was more to do with why it wasn't releasing in june as some people expected
pearl elk
I just see it as confirmation that it will indeed hit sometime this year, June is E3
pearl elk
Im guessing they are aiming E3, if that goes bad then GDC as a backup plan 😛
actually E3 gives them abit of a buffer leading into GDC so that makes sense if they want to go into more details there
fathom wadi
I wouldn't put it out during E3 personally. Thats why Im not in charge of a multi billion dollar company tho. Well, that and the fact im a broke ass dev with no startup money
fathom wadi
I do indeed. This last burnout really broke me though. Good job I survived it but it's time to sell my ass and get it to Mars
pearl elk
partially used, still has that new ass smell
fathom wadi
You can upgrade my ass smell but it's not backwards compatible.
light spruce
Why can't I quit you?
pearl elk
humble remnant
I need a regular reminder I'm a doofus
I updated my footsteps to use surface types instead
But then water footsteps only worked occasionally
(Compared to default at least)
And it turned out I had my level's SM still having collision was what made them work occasionally, while things were also colliding with the blocking volumes
For context, it's a prototype level made with BSPs, the brushes were first converted to an SM so that it works with raytracing, then converted to blocking volumes for collision
But I forgot to turn off collision for the former and was getting frustrated over footsteps hitting default
fathom wadi
My brain just farted for 20 minutes helping a friend because I forgot how to get a child actor from a component and was going for Get Component By Class. Im so rusty right now I need to put Blender down and start running Unreal portal courses again
feelsbadman
pearl elk
But then water footsteps only worked occasionally
Your game is about Jesus?
pearl elk
unborn lotus
any blender guys here? how do you unwrap a single uv island, without having it scale to fill 0,1?
zinc matrix
That's something I'm still learning
zinc matrix
any blender guys here? how do you unwrap a single uv island, without having it ...
What are you trying to do?
or what model is it?
unborn lotus
😄 general question. Like the initial unwrap is great and all, with mark seams. But then lets say you scale a part of the model in 3D. The uv island is stretched. Unwrapping a single uv island with unwrap scales it to fill the uv space
Every other dcc software just...unwraps it / relaxes it
@zinc matrix
zinc matrix
go ahead and dm me
zinc matrix
can anyone help who is good at frosty editor, is there a way to export effectblueprint fx so that it can be imported into ue4?
tulip orbit
I've had no part in that
light spruce
I'm always here or my name's not Cock Stevens
thorny dock
Cock Stevens has helped me in and out of some tight places
light spruce
But more into, eh? eh? eh?
cursive crypt
bonk, bonk - shoo, there are old people around. Kids too.
light spruce
Cock Stevens aint' bonkin' nobody
light spruce
Except your mum amirite loolooojolkjjlk jldkjf f 💀
ancient hornet
nothing that duct tape can't solve
cursive crypt
ivory lodge
Wow... woke up ready to code.
fathom wadi
I woke up and my mother came to visit. Which happens to be on my deceased father's birthday. Which made it a happy and sad affair. But I was in the middle of a night terror/nightmare anyway so it couldn't get any worse.
#motivationalspeech
median wraith
Yeah is talking about pay at GDC good amounts to talk
but these talks have less visibility than her actual videos on her own channel
hearty depot
Hey everyone, anyone know a good place to find playtesters for a game?
pearl pewter
Ah yes the most advanced engine on the market
pearl elk
so tech savvy you even captured the pixels in your image
pearl elk
but these talks have less visibility than her actual videos on her own channel
Im wondering though is the content on her page objectively better than her GDC talk, Ive seen talks with far better view counts. Its possible it was one of those old videos which was protected for a long time, theres no release dates on either in the images.
GDC have their own gated hosting dont they, those views arnt counted here. Not saying shes wrong I just think clipping the data like this looks like theres something to hide
Its a conspiracy!!
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pearl elk
I shall name my first born Widget
would everyone stop gettin sued... that'd be great!
it was a suggestion but I should have said they are allegedly being sued 😛
it also produces a log warning
incase you accidentally do it in the future
just be careful the Mannys dont unionise and ask for compensation from your mistreatment 🙂
legless 😮
torpid star
http://blog.wolfire.com/2021/05/Regarding-the-Valve-class-action
I used to watch Overgrowth dev videos. Looks like he is gonna eat all the legal fees himself, taking on Valve's lawyers head first
pearl elk
You really gotta try if you got the capabilities, its not fair when companies use their position to strong arm the industry. Its like in Coles they mostly have their own brand milk and will position the competition poorly to direct people to their brand. Its certainly not unique to the games industry, its just more prominent when we are talking digital products as there arnt physical barriers.
ivory lodge
Hello. Can't wait to go home and code on MY stuff.
pearl elk
alot of what these companies do circumvents the ideals of the internet too, let alone the benefits they claim from open source software or licensed hardware as their own inventions
looks like its back to PowerPC 😛
ivory lodge
Nano? IBM doesn't use your puny electronics. They use manly vacuum tubes, mortals. They built their new cell-truck to run android.
Stuck at work making stoopid database apps...🎵
pearl elk
pays the bills tho
ivory lodge
@pearl elk I don't like paying bills either.
fluid bloom
those benefits are hilarious
"Drastically speeding up a laptop's functions"
"Contributing to faster object detection"
just say "it's a lot faster"
cursive crypt
What is that about? The tech up?
fluid bloom
the ibm 2 nm chip thingy
cursive crypt
So... a "faster object detection" 
broken sigil
So can it keep track of where I place stuff in my house and remind me where it is when I forget 🤔
"Contributing to faster object detection"
cursive crypt
If you eat it with your cereal, but I don't think so.
cursive crypt
300% the price?
ivory lodge
I hope they brought back the Pentium floating point error. That was fun.
serene anvil
Hi guys, im new here
ivory lodge
@serene anvil Welcome! Did you pay your membership yet?
serene anvil
im new here, so i guess not
ivory lodge
Just kidding. Are you learning unreal?
serene anvil
that a good one, yes but i got a problem in a game that im making
ivory lodge
Lot's of help groups here. This is the random chatter room. Mostly we just complain about our stuff breaking or not being able to afford everything.
serene anvil
the programing section have which help channel right?, for example, my problem in in code, its engine source i need to get it?
cursive crypt
No, we don't work here, we pretend to work. #lounge is the true UE Slackers channel.
cursive crypt
the programing section have which help channel right?, for example, my problem i...
Think yeah, go read the channel descriptions if you wonder.
serene anvil
@cursive crypt alright
ivory lodge
I work on pointless things that will never become games.
So I am contributing to the heat death of the universe in my own little way...
cursive crypt
Thou shall code in pain and never get anything done.
serene anvil
like my game, well it can be a demo but with the last server i had(super helpless) i still stuck in the same thing
@cursive crypt today i was like that, i was coding some stuff and the helpless people do nothing
ivory lodge
I'm learning GAS...so I have that going for me.
serene anvil
back off, u will fart xDDDDDDDD or explode something? xD
ivory lodge
?
serene anvil
u learning GAS, so or u fart or u will explode something xDD because gas is inflamable
ivory lodge
OHh... Ok. It's the gameplay ability system, a subsystem of unreal.
serene anvil
i see u didnt get my "joke" oh well. that sounds good
serene anvil
its slower than NOS
where u from?
cursive crypt
Asking the real questions here.
pearl elk
I come from a land down under
cursive crypt
He is clearly from mt. Olympus
zinc matrix
I come from a land down under
the land of throwing jars of piss and snoipin'
pearl elk
How is there no jar full of piss emoji 😛
zinc matrix
How is there no jar full of piss emoji 😛
spoi
pearl elk
just softens em up for the burn
fathom wadi
Not sure about this community spotlight. I think something broken 😄
pearl elk
Its free content, what did you expect 😛
pearl elk
someone changed the wifi password
torpid star
thats a fat cat
pearl elk
it is a Resident Evil game 😛
ivory lodge
That's a nice cat gif.
pearl elk
wait, whats a 3090 ultra
ivory lodge
I love how that cat doesn't even look at him.
torpid star
fat cat
ivory lodge
I hope my cat doesn't get any ideas.
torpid star
is ur cat also a loaf of bread?
torpid star
does he cuddle
ivory lodge
Yes... And I get no choice when or wher.
torpid star
sounds cat
ivory lodge
Also, my son and I watched the next episode of the Bad Batch. I wish they would make movies as good as their shows.
(I remember watching TV as a whole family. That's not really possible with us but we can do it together.)
I think the best part is where the guitar hits him too.
Seriously, God is caressing the smite button on that one...
foggy path
man this is such a shitshow lol
deep glen
@ivory lodge dont post notifications of streaming outside the assigned channel. thank you
ivory lodge
Wow.. I'm not sure I should let myself code at 6am.
pearl elk
man this is such a shitshow lol
How does Epic wanting to do their own ingame payments have anything to do with itch on Epic Store?
more misdirection by Apple
ivory lodge
I think they are trying to "prove" that apple doesn't have a monoply.
Any more than anyone else.
pearl elk
https://twitter.com/itchio/status/1390782877416054794
we must protect the young and impressionable minds
our Government at one stage wanted to add an opt out filter to the internet for R18+ content so all new connections would be automatically filtered and child safe lol
turns out Wikipedia not having an age gate on some of the more risque pages made it so it'd be blocked by said filter 😛
I personally still think we need like a 25+ or a 30+ rating for once you get to that point in your life you just dont care at all lol, maybe even an 80+ for those that get there as some sort of achievement
unlocking everything at 18 and 21, its like welp whats the point in playing anymore hehehe
just crazy to think we spend so much time trying to protect <13 and forget some people have lived 4x, 6x or 7x that long. The stuff you see in that time would put a beard on a baby 😆
foggy path
doge bumped 0.73 for a bit 🐶
pearl elk
back in my day laddy doge was at 0.04
foggy path
pearl elk
so whats the plan, stick with doge or pull out and wait for it to drop again?
foggy path
People asked that ever since it hit 0.01, then 0.1, then 0.2, and so on
and it has just kept going up for some bizarre reason
pearl elk
but people are predicting the arse falling out of crypto soon right
foggy path
I'm pretty sure there will be a big selloff if it hits 1 usd
but it could just fuel the hype further
pearl elk
they keep saying just wait and then the market will be flooded with GPUs as before
Elons probably mining on all those Teslas in the parking lot lol
I keep looking at CD Projekt wondering if its worth it, wont be as big return as doge though
mind you I wonder how much doge people actually have, if its just a penny stock you have like $5 or $10 worth not like 10k
2600% on $10 aint too shabby though 😛
foggy path
I have 100k doges
:P
only 1% of all accounts holding doge have 100k or more
so I'm a one percenter lol
pearl elk
so if it goes up to $1 thats $100k, not too shabby
foggy path
yeah and I mined it back in 2014 for next to no cost lol
current valuation 68 000 usd
pearl elk
surely you'd have to declare it as income if you convert to currency though
foggy path
Yeah it gets counted similar as profits from selling stock or such, so I'm gonna get hit with a 33% tax on it
pearl elk
wouldnt it be like stock dividends
foggy path
capital gains tax or whatever it's called
pearl elk
ouch, and Im guessing you havent been doing anything to negative gear to minimise your tax burden
yup me too, discord froze over. I blame Apple
foggy path
yeah discord really broke for a bit
and yeah there's not much I can do about the tax :P
also I just realized it might end up being counted as regular income tax actually
pearl elk
you could give me a gift, those arnt taxable hehe
foggy path
because the regulations here state that crypto income from mining is regular income
but crypto income from trading is capital gains taxed
pearl elk
just pay your staff in doge
foggy path
so technically since I mined it it might fall into the income bracket and at that point I'm probably gonna get taxed even worse than 33%
but I need to confirm with the tax office probably to be sure :P
pearl elk
best bet is to just grab what you need at a time than trying to lump sum it
I really thought Apple would have a silver bullet defense against Epic aye with how much they can spend on lawyers. I thought it would be like mic drop and Tim Cook is outie
make each Minecraft cube its own NFT?
foggy path
actually I think the mining part is doubly taxed
you get taxed for mining as income
and you then get taxed again if you trade it for euros
but the good thing is that I mined these in 2014 when none of this legislation existed so they can't argue I should pay for it :p
so I think looking at the laws for it I think it's just gonna be 33% capital gains tax on sale...
pearl elk
reminds me of that clicker game, who was it, was it Peter Molyneux made it where everyone was trying to mine to the middle and who ever got there won
yeah it was, Curiosity - Whats inside the Cube?
pearl elk
Diamonds, you know you need the wooo shiney!
lol I watched that
chick was on major drugs
humble remnant
Y'know one thing I had a wild idea for, crypto mining but for game balance
If you send a unique scenario of a combat encounter, you get rewarded with a coin
pearl elk
I had a Synchronicity moment earlier today 😮
fathom wadi
you listened to a Police album?
humble remnant
Though I suspect if I implement the idea I'd just promote botting
pearl elk
I was thinking about Kieth Flint from Prodigy last night, this morning on Facebook a DnB page I follow posted up about him
fathom wadi
I saw The Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers at a gig once. Me and a friend were the only two heavy metal moshers in the room. So everyone is raving away and we were headbanging like nutters 😄
humble remnant
pearl elk
Cult of Anim Notify
humble remnant
I moved my step sound generation to use the surface types yesterday
Was decently simple to implement thankfully
And also me malding at myself for forgetting the collision of the level SM on
pearl elk
ketacoin, you can only get it from a ketamine
you have to go through the portals to get to the mines
idle hands wanted
I honestly thought he was talking about the movie at first
yeah its almost like some sort of performance art
the bit about the warehouses and projecting the other rooms sounded like some twisted reality TV show
the sort of thing you see in a horror movie
its funny though I just got finished watching a show about Jonestown, man that was a messed up situation
light spruce
I read what was on my screen, bottom to top... I was really happy with ketacoin. I feel like that was pretty clever.
you know... I've heard of Jonestown but I don't think I actually know what happened. Waco was more in my knowledge base since I lived in Texas at the time
pearl elk
Yeah I knew of Jonestown but it was before my time which is why the documentary was so interesting
light spruce
Yeah, before I was born
I read about some other awful cult shit
I'd say... luckily I'm not great at remembering proper nouns, so I can't direct you to it. However, I remember the stuff involved quite well.. because my brain sponges up everything
pearl elk
Yeah I dunno how people can be so plyable, I guess they are just looking for something and are so willing they just fall into it
light spruce
"If you don't stand for something then you'll fall for anything"?
pearl elk
Bit like advertising, some people will buy everything on the telemarketing channel, others are just like wtf is this crap
light spruce
The thing I'm thinking of doesn't compete in scale.. but it's... so fucking heinous at an individual level
The kinda shit where someone religious would say, "something something God's plan" and then they'd have to pick their teeth up off the floor.
pearl elk
In the criminal justice system, sexually-based offenses are considered especially heinous.
light spruce
That's usually pretty part and parcel with cults
people are capable of great and terrible things
light spruce
I know that my time travel kill list just got longer
pearl elk
light spruce
My only question about Space Force: Why was Steve trying to sound like Batman or a heavy smoker?
pearl elk
I so wish I could tell people its a documentary
crazy thing is too the speech he gives in it is better than I heard Trump ever give 😛
pearl elk
might be alittle too close to the truth for comfort perhaps
pearl elk
that in fighting of the armed forces over budget is bang on
pearl elk
I like Jane Lynch, she plays that part so well
light spruce
I was looking for a quote... and I forgot about this part
sharp wolf
okay we are at a loss.... We are featuring 2 different battle systems in the game. Pure traditional Turn Based (doing a few things to it for engagement but still pretty traditional) and then were doing a more "Active Motion" kinda system: You can move around, you can attack and defend, combo attack in real time. however the use of items/magic/run is ran on an ATB gauge that fills up. Very much like FF7R..... what in the HELL do you call this kind of battle system
light spruce
Pella Bhat: Define masturbation.
F. Tony Scarapiducci: I definitely will not.
Pella Bhat: Well, however you define it I definitely did it.
sharp wolf
I looked up everything i could and even SquareEnix doesnt really have a name for it. 
light spruce
I don't know; make something up. Having a name for probably isn't going to tell people what they need to know
pearl elk
I call it, Final Fantasy Battle Royale System Extraordinaire
sharp wolf
thats just it. we are trying to describe it in the name. The best we can come up with is Strategic Action Combat or Strategic Active Motion Combat
light spruce
Between the two, SAC sounds better... but it also sounds like you'd see it stamped on a 90s game box with some dogshit artwork
sharp wolf
This is legit what square says: "Final Fantasy VII Remake has a real-time battle system with strategic elements. "
pearl elk
Active Time Battle System?
light spruce
Man, why don't you come back with an easy question?
Because now I'm really bothered by it
sharp wolf
lmfao i have been trying to anwser this question for 3 years Justin!
i am asking for 20 minutes of your time
do you know the hell and torture i have been going through.
light spruce
I feel like it's worth pointing out that I think I've slept about 9 hours in four days and I feel all sorts of messed up after getting vaccinated yesterday
sharp wolf
Hey! thats perfect you think best when your out of it
pearl elk
call it the GitS SAC Battle Jack
sharp wolf
Strategic Active Movement Combat with Restricted Elements
light spruce
"You're gonna need to talk to SAC (Special Agent In-Charge) Jack Battle up on floor 19."
sharp wolf
lol
pearl elk
Jack in this case refers to a Knucklebone
sharp wolf
SAMCRE
pearl elk
its actually an ancient game mechanic 🙂
light spruce
"You up for a Frankfurt Knucklebone?"
pearl elk
you know in marbles how its kinda turn based but the jack adds real time
light spruce
uh. No. I don't.
pearl elk
but tbh I swear Ive heard Battle Jack refer to combat armour
light spruce
It seems familiar to me too... So I'm thinking some shitty Mecha game from like the 2000s
sharp wolf
I thought you were kidding. lol. Didnt realize it was an actual mechanic
pearl elk
I was kinda joking then I realised i might be onto something 😛
light spruce
I was thinking of doing a turn-based realtime system .. where.. I guess it kinda works out like combat rounds in a tabletop RPG... you'd control one member of your squad for some number of seconds.. so you could move and use action points or additional time to set up overwatches or other shit that happens on different turns. I didn't have a name for that either.
@pearl elk Was this the quote you were referring to earlier?
General Mark R. Naird: The generation that won World War II was exposed to so much awful reality that they made mostly good decisions for a long time after. Forget history, and you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. Forget how bad polio was, people stop taking vaccines. Forget how bad world wars are, people start puffing out their chests. The real enemy is arrogance.
sharp wolf
okay so Pausable Real Time is a thing!
light spruce
Or whatever the hell they call SuperHot
sharp wolf
because when you bring up the menu the game slows down to like 0.1x
light spruce
Yeah, that's like Fallout 4 VATS or Quickhacks in Cyberpunk 2077
pearl elk
notice how those rhyme with Battle Jack 😛
knick knack battle jack, give a dog a knuckle bone
humble remnant
Y'all on android phones: in appearance you can spam the dark theme button to get the option for even darker mode
pearl elk
I think you should try to make it spell SPARTA
light spruce
I step on scene armed up ready and mean
A symbiotic link between man and machine
My deck's loaded hard with lethal quick hacks
Move in too close you'll face my Battle Jack
You get that one for free
I think the problem I have is that I just don't like "action"
I could be the only one.
sharp wolf
I hate action as well
light spruce
Asynchronous Interactive Non-linear Time Group Oriented Tactical Terrorist Interdiction Mechanic Engine
pearl elk
look everyone we got an MC, who me? Verbal Bruce Lee, chuck your nuns like norris, call the florist you'll be the sorest in traction, battle jack got your back, satisfaction... counteraction you'll be back son but only in a rerun you see sun you be stung by the wu killer bee
light spruce
Version 4 - Thematic Horribly Imagined System
(I don't think we helped at all here)
I'm imagining that being delivered by someone like Busta Rhymes
pearl elk
Thematically Imagined Turn-based System... TITS
light spruce
You know.. like he might be having a seizure or a psychotic break and you aren't sure which
Strategy Layered Active Battle System
sharp wolf
Asynchronous Interactive Non-linear Time Group Oriented Tactical Terrorist Inter...
Yes!
pearl elk
Spacetime Equireactive Perpendicular Centrifugal Battlesque
light spruce
What's amazing is how most of those words look like they're made up.. and they aren't
light spruce
I like SLABS as an acronym.
pearl elk
lol
sharp wolf
RPG Combat
light spruce
: The movie : The Game
pearl elk
Turny Basey Tinggymagic
sharp wolf
We feature an RPG Combat system. We don't know that the $&*% it is... you tell us. You can move and stuff. Cast spell and whatnot. Theres this gauge and lets you do things.
pearl elk
Battle NOS
sharp wolf
whats the NOS
pearl elk
Gauge
sharp wolf
HAHAHA
pearl elk
once that sucker reaches 88mph youre gonna see some serious *&^%
sharp wolf
We should be writing these down as official new battle system combat styles.
pearl elk
what if you could turn back turns 😮
sharp wolf
You attack until the gauge is full, then press the button and the battle speeds up 10x
meanwhile your mind cant keep up and everyone dies almost instantly
Good Luck!
Computer 1 : Player 0
pearl elk
computer can always win in turn based anyways
light spruce
pearl elk
In all honesty names for systems tend to be emergent
light spruce
HIT THE NAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSS
light spruce
I literally just happened to have a can on my desk
sharp wolf
Oh if we grow Wings for limit breaks
we can call it RedBull Battle System
Might get sued tho.
🤔
pearl elk
sponsorship of the esport
light spruce
Crimson Cow
pearl elk
just call it Bang Battle System 😛
sharp wolf
so this is all gold
Bang!
now thats where its at. that stuff is good!
sorry i have to
Bang Battle Combat
light spruce
God dammit
pearl elk
BBC
sharp wolf
LMFAO
quasi mantle
Parental circumstances can be really sucks ass
light spruce
That's not actually proper English.. but that made it a lot funnier
pearl elk
now Im wondering what a FF battle system would be like if you could use it to befriend the enemy
sharp wolf
LMFAO
light spruce
Friendship? Friendship??
light spruce
For what it's worth (about as much as you paid for it) I tried to play the FF7 Rewhatever demo. I absolutely hated the mechanics
sharp wolf
i wasnt a huge fan of some things, but i really liked it
but then again my first jRPG ever was FF7 when i was 7 years old 25+ years ago. lol
light spruce
My experience was, "oh, now I need to switch and.. oh the AI did something stupid while it was controlling the other character"
quasi mantle
I mean, I was not anticipating Ramadan to start off April in the first place, so I miscalculated the demo date, but holy shit, my family really wants me to work for them and abandon my project for more than a week. Due to Eid al-Fitr holiday, I forced to stay with them 24/7 for the next few days, and it's inevitable that I had to stop working on my project while I'm at their home, if not trying to steal some time without getting shit talked by them.
pearl elk
my first RPG was hmm, thats a tricky one
quasi mantle
For what it's worth (about as much as you paid for it) I tried to play the FF7 R...
I guess you will not like my game then.
light spruce
That's quite probable!
pearl elk
Id have to say Corporation as a guess, maybe Darklands or Moraffs World
light spruce
Like the melee AI would stand in dumb shit.... ranged would burn AP or whatever it was on stupid shit that wasn't flying
quasi mantle
I mean, to begin with, it's anime style, I'm not going crazy with the graphics. And I planned the combat to mix Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Final Fantasy 15.
I know it won't be for everyone.
sharp wolf
haha i was only teasing. 😄
light spruce
I also thought FF7 was always wildly overrated... and I despised the part where your main character is so madly in love with this cardboard cutout that sells flowers instead of the woman he's known for years.
pearl elk
its anime, Im sure its easy to misunderstand 😛
light spruce
That's also because it's kind of a mess
pearl elk
Ive never actually played a Final Fantasy but I like the movies hehe
sharp wolf
but to understand that it was revolutionary at the time for its graphics and mechanics.
quasi mantle
its anime, Im sure its easy to misunderstand 😛
Misunderstand in what way?
pearl elk
Misunderstand in what way?
cultural differences mostly
light spruce
See also: "Very Japanese"
sharp wolf
thats really what made it so amazing. Yeah i mean in comparison to today there is a lot of other great RPGs but it was, in its time, revolutionary.
ugh, i really should have worked on this GDD 3 years ago.
light spruce
I didn't get why they had the sort of chibi "overworld" characters... and then the battle characters... and then the cinematic characters were slightly different from that too
pearl elk
Ive probably played a heap of clones of FF combat without knowing it
sharp wolf
We have been working without one for 3 years and its finally catching up with us now that we have expanded the team and have the mechanics down.
quasi mantle
cultural differences mostly
Well, not gonna lie. I don't draw ideas from English speaking cultures, and mainly took ideas from eastern Asian culture.
sharp wolf
were moving into story design and implimentation which has been slightly a nightmare. 😄 so taking the time to do all the stuff we have been ignoring
light spruce
They fixed the 38 styles of a character in 8
pearl elk
Well, not gonna lie. I don't draw ideas from English speaking cultures, and main...
Yeah it goes all different ways, some people dont understand western themes very well
light spruce
Which.. I liked at the time as an angsty teenager... but it was still fucking stupid that your TACTICAL COMBAT INSTRUCTOR was 18. Clearly a true war veteran
pearl elk
Im very much in the school of GDDs myself, though not so much a big folder full of static information more like a necronomicon a document thats alive 😮
light spruce
There were some parts of Final Fantasy 15 that I really liked though
sharp wolf
Im very much in the school of GDDs myself, though not so much a big folder full ...
Well we had data all over the place which was fine for workflow with 1-2 developers. but now we have 5 devs, 6 artists, and a few other folks working and finding what they need to work has been a nightmare. Knowing that they need to do outside of Jira tickets and Asana tasks has been kinda killer
quasi mantle
To begin with, the theme was isekai. The main playable heroine is Japanese-Indonesian (which is very Asian). The world building is mostly drawn inspirations from eastern Asia countries, albeit mixing it with steampunk-ish European fantasy and D&D stereotypes.
sharp wolf
I never really felt the need for a GDD or its use, but i was thinking "me" mentality.
sharp wolf
Then one of our big investors played the game and said that he was both really happy and angry. We have a great environment and mechanics... tons of stuff... but we have almost NO story. Its an empty game.
pearl elk
you'll thank yourself in retrospect too when you want to look back on a project for reference in the future. I take things from my own projects quite often and reuse or adapt them, thats difficult if its all baked into tasks and tickets
light spruce
Like using a 2D mind-map, being able to drill down into another layer rather than having topics that keep extending further and further away
quasi mantle
In terms of western culture influences in the civilisation, I had very little to bring in to the table in my game.
sharp wolf
and now i am rather pleased he did, so were taking a step back and reorganizing all of our information, i am pushing all notes into documentation, all my notepad tasks into Jira and asana and migrated everything to GoogleDocs where everyone can access what they need.
Its taken me a week so far, making good progress
sharp wolf
Like using a 2D mind-map, being able to drill down into another layer rather tha...
This is an interesting idea.
sharp wolf
you'll thank yourself in retrospect too when you want to look back on a project ...
Yeah. This is our first title project. We have developed tons of little stuff in the past but the last 3 years of our lives have been this one.
light spruce
repost that Space Force gif
sharp wolf
I have to admit, its pretty cool getting work with some cutting edge tech from our sponsors and meeting ppl all over the world. I love game dev, but working with folks from all over the world is much cooler in my book. 😄
Speaking of... we will be implementing RTXDI here in the coming weeks.
light spruce
time zone gaps can be a real problem though
sharp wolf
going to light up 100k Fireflys all with a point light. 😄
quasi mantle
Honestly I have no idea how well the first impression of my game project to the western audiences would be, given it's leaning more towards the eastern culture, and making fun of anime stereotypes, and considering most westerns have disdain towards anime in general...
sharp wolf
time zone gaps can be a real problem though
The struggle is real, but i work round the clock
as do most of us
sharp wolf
Honestly I have no idea how well the first impression of my game project to the ...
i love anime! as do most of my friends. 😄
pearl elk
In terms of western culture influences in the civilisation, I had very little to...
You gotta play to your strengths though and thats why its good to have diverse teams to give those different cultural perspectives.
Im a big Warhammer buff so I get alot of fantasy and steampunk influences from that
light spruce
The problem with anime is that it's not really a "genre" necessarily... so it's like any other medium... in that a lot of is terrible or tropey garbage.
a lot of it. a lot of it a lot of it.. I've become so bad at leaving words out of sentences.
pearl elk
tropes are useful though, I think thats why it can be difficult to follow when you jump to another culture is their local tropes are different.
light spruce
Yeah. They can be. But there's kind of a ratio in there you need
thief or a crutch, you know?
pearl elk
Obviously theres some tropes I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole, like a MacGuffin thats a person
light spruce
The anime that I've really liked.. it either wasn't relevant that it was anime, or it was in spite of that
Now I'm remembering how long it's been since I've seen Trigun
or Cowboy Bebop for that matter
pearl elk
Ive watched abit of anime, Space Pirate Captain Harlock, The Guyver, Gantz
I actually didnt mind the live action of Tokyo Ghoul but man was live action Deathnote bad
light spruce
I've only seen Gantz: O (0?) I can't tell.
pearl elk
I think its zero
its the events before so like a prequel, least thats what I gathered 😛
pearl elk
couple of my old favs though are Patlabour and AD Police
quasi mantle
In some extent, my game is kinda making fun of the anime trope stereotype.
Back when the project started, female isekai protagonist was uncommon (and arguably still is), so I decided to create one.
Isekai protagonists also stereotyped to have harem benefits (having many romantic interests), so I make one love interest to her. And spicing things up with more realistic romantic drama going on in the plot. I also decided not to include dating mechanics, as it'll make for easier story writing and more consistent future continuities.
Isekai protagonists also stereotyped to be OP, so thanks to it being a video game, I can make them to be from zero to hero with no special ability to boot. But eventually gaining magical power through explorations.
light spruce
I'm not familiar with the isekai term
sharp wolf
iot means different world
quasi mantle
isekai = another world
sharp wolf
so like... you were a human
and you die and wake up and the gods gave you magic and sent you to another realm
because it wasnt your time to die yet, or to give you a 2nd chance at life
quasi mantle
You may have seen the recent trailer of the game Forspoken - that's isekai
pearl elk
so Im getting this picture of a female Link
light spruce
There's that cultural difference... like how I'd mention a "Kansas City Shuffle" and you'd say, "I'm not familiar with the term"
pearl elk
Kansas City Shuffle.... shutup and take my money, where is this game
light spruce
Are Link and Zelda actually ever romantically involved?
quasi mantle
Oh, almost forgot:
The protagonist of PAST FUTURE (my game) is also not transported to the another world due to death, but rather physical teleportation. So she and her childhood friend who also got teleported there have one main goal: trying to get back home into the present universe.
sharp wolf
So kinda like Shield Hero
light spruce
I played a lot of A Link to the Past. Hated Ocarina of Time. Will probably never own a Switch
I hated that game and its shitty gold-Sharpie cartridge color
cursive crypt
The new one was botw or something right?
light spruce
Yeah
One that I would actually play.. but hearing about that rapid weapon degradation is a pretty big turn-off for me.
cursive crypt
I have played one older, 20y+ but don't remember its name.
light spruce
Makes me think of how broken Dark Souls 2 was on PC with its physics durability bug(s) (in addition to being a a shitty game)
I played the first three Zelda games, didn't have a Game Boy... played part of Ocarina of Time on the 64. Didn't touch Majora's Mask. The 64 was the last Nintendo system I had
quasi mantle
I don't really fond towards Nintendo. Growing up, I'm exposed into PlayStation more than Nintendo stuff.
Rightfully so, people perceive me as weird on Twitter because of that.
quasi mantle
"You don't like Nintendo? That's weird bro"
light spruce
I despise Nintendo as a company
quasi mantle
I'm 22 years old, by the time I was a kid, the place I live already have PS consoles commonly set in many houses and rentals.
pearl elk
That makes sense though, I grew up on Nintendo but I also grew out of it. I was never the biggest fan of their IPs outside of Mario, I liked more adult orientated stuff
light spruce
They have best-in-class wankery for internet connectivity and not giving the slightest shit about fair use before slamming down the copyright claim cock on YouTube
pearl elk
Gamegear was better for MK than Gameboy 😛
Sonic and Knuckles link got heaps of play too
light spruce
I didn't play much on the Game Gear
I was never big on Sega, though I did have a Genesis/Megadrive
pearl elk
No one did, the battery life was terrible lol
pearl elk
we used to just leave em plugged into the wall and play on school camps and stuff
light spruce
(though if you have WAP batteries, more power to you) ((Power.. batteries... get it?????Klj;glk))
pearl elk
good thing about the Game Gear was you could play it in the dark, the original Gameboy you needed the light
quasi mantle
Nintendo's business operation doesn't make sense to me. Shutting down fan projects, copyright striking YouTube channels, attempting to combat emulation (even though the game is self dumped and not from ROM site - remember the Melee compo fiasco?), dogshit networking from many reports.
At least they're kinda lenient when it comes to third party lewd content.
Don't get me started into the fanbase behaviour on the internet.
light spruce
Ah, yeah.. their rom fuckery pisses me right off too
sharp wolf
Gamegear was better for MK than Gameboy 😛
Nah man.... Lynx is where it was at
pearl elk
Never seen one of those in person
sharp wolf
i had one, only had a few games
light spruce
"We're going to go on a rampage about ROMs while selling you one we downloaded off the internet that someone ripped off a cart"
"After we've sold you a copy of the same game across five hardware platforms"
Always be a mercenary. Never, ever be a fan of anything
quasi mantle
demanding for Nintendo Switch port of a graphically demanding game and shunning on those who bring objection based on the hardware truth
light spruce
At best, you lose your objectivity. At worst, you become a total asshole
pearl elk
Must admit Im pretty impressed by what some of these companies doing Switch ports have managed to pull off
quasi mantle
Don't get me wrong, Nintendo Switch port is way better than mobile port, but at least have some realistic expectations.
light spruce
I had an nvidia Shield tablet. Tegra hardware kinda bleh... it also made me hate nvidia more than I already did with their piss-poor handling of firmware updates that bricked shit and physically destroyed speakers in devices
pearl elk
Well by the time the Switch came about that Tegra hardware was what a good 3 years old? its gotta be a decade old by now
light spruce
Basically, they brought their same level of QA from the graphics driver division (zero) to embedded hardware
I don't remember how old it is
Nintendo has pretty much nailed poor hardware decisions
quasi mantle
And I'd rather take porting my game into Nintendo Switch where premium games are still common, compared to mobile phones where the audience scared to shit on premium games and prefer free to play, gambling mechanic laden games.
Unfortunately I'm proactively against gambling mechanics, and hated Genshin Impact.
light spruce
I'm in favor of bringing back some kind of demo model
quasi mantle
Demos of games are still common though.
Square Enix Japan still frequently release demos of their new games to this day
light spruce
If I ever fucking finish anything.. I want to have exactly two versions... a free one that's for checking out the game.. seeing if you like it... for the friend that's only going to get a game or two in a month.... and one you've paid money for and it's not piecemeal shit. And have the two of them actually function together.
sharp wolf
We will be releasing a demo in about 4-5 months
i am a big fan of the demo model.
take your TIME, play all you want in the demo.
play it again
dont force yourself to rush and decide if you like something in less than 2 hours to return it to steam because your not sure
pearl elk
okay so the Tegra X1 says 2015, thought it was older
light spruce
Yeah, I don't really think two hours is enough
pearl elk
as a comparison thats like supporting a Samsung S6
light spruce
Because there's a good chance you're going to spend at least 30 minutes configuring some kind of shit
sharp wolf
yeah
now this is game design flaw but in the first 3 hours you cant experience 20% of the mechanics of the game.
for us anyway.
working on speeding up the intro to be a bit more action captured and bring you into the story faster.
We were working on a whole... the world is calm and everything is normal, then about 3 hours in the story picks up and you realize your whole world is about to change
this was apparently a very bad design idea, we have been told. 😄
quasi mantle
We were working on a whole... the world is calm and everything is normal, then a...
3 hours is quite a stretch tbh
sharp wolf
i agree
i was told 60-90 min MAX
you get 1 hour of downtime before you better pickup the main plot
light spruce
You do want to generally hook someone pretty quick.. especially considering the amount of things competing for attention
But, you also don't want them to necessarily see everything you have to offer in that kind of time
sharp wolf
no you dont, but you do need to get to the point of the story
quasi mantle
I have planned to get all the basics covered in the first 60 minutes in the final version, and have the basic cause-effect in the plot established, so that the game won't feel too stretched when the advanced stuff started to unveil
light spruce
Basically, avoid the dick pic of game design
sharp wolf
i need a quick game design 1 hour overview read
light spruce
I think it's an apt metaphor...
sharp wolf
Take that back tot he team... Alright folks.... Lets avoid the Dick Pics but lets not have too much foreplay. you know what i mean?!
pearl elk
I know its not the best advice but maybe we could just assume people can pick up the basics without being drip fed them in an hour long tutorials
sharp wolf
I know its not the best advice but maybe we could just assume people can pick up...
I WISH
ugh, this is the BIGGEST challenge
and i cant find any way to write in good tutorials
light spruce
you send someone a picture of your genitals... One, they immediately know what your genitals look like... there's never any build up to that... no foreplay... nothing... and Two, they immediately know that you're someone who sends people pictures of your junk.
pearl elk
If I could get all those hours back from being taught to play FPS games over and over again Id do it in a heart beat
sharp wolf
interactive tutorials seem to be very difficult to make. so we were going with the pop up on the side, with a wall of text and images
quasi mantle
Speaking of which
I think Final Fantasy 14 is a sin to this dragging out the basics, but given its nature as MMO, it's somewhat tolerable.
light spruce
The problem is that there's a first game for everyone
pearl elk
Man Yakuza, I tried playing that and the tutorials arnt even skippable
you have to literally press the buttons in the exact order like youre cracking a safe
sharp wolf
well whats a good balance
quasi mantle
interactive tutorials seem to be very difficult to make. so we were going with t...
Meanwhile me just going for GTA style hint boxes
sharp wolf
so i played a game the other day that was just nothing but tutorials for the first like 40 minutes.
pearl elk
I understand the need to onboard but for veteran gamers like me its a huge waste of time
light spruce
Any kind of tutorial thing(s) should be skippable
light spruce
it should absolutely be clear that's what it is
sharp wolf
🤣
light spruce
Unless you're really fucking good and actually make it both a tutorial and something you give a shit about doing
And, spoiler alert: you're not.
Whoever you are
Nobody is good at that
quasi mantle
GTA V's Prologue mission is basically the tutorial, and it last at least 6 minutes in speedrun scenario, including the unskippable cutscenes
pearl elk
sometimes you want a refresher tutorial when you come back to a game but since its baked into the gameplay of the first hour youre stuck wondering wtf to do 😛
sharp wolf
it looks awesome!
but those tutorials.... they killed me
like were talking the most basic of basic stuff it was forcing me through.
quasi mantle
like were talking the most basic of basic stuff it was forcing me through.
How long the tutorial section lasts?
sharp wolf
couldnt tell you
i gave up after 45 min
as much as i wanted to play it... i just got so annoyed. THe battle system was intruiging.
quasi mantle
45 minutes and you're still in the tutorial?
sharp wolf
It was also cutscenes for every dialogue interaction which was just visual novel
light spruce
That's pretty fucking absurd.
sharp wolf
they described the story
pearl elk
Yakuza was like that for me, I wanted to like it but Ive played fighting games and not being able to push the buttons I wanted in the fight tutorials was really annoying. Infact its slightly demeaning, like we dont trust you enough to press anything but the correct button OR ELSE
light spruce
Almost like "we want to make sure you're locked into this purchase"
sharp wolf
the VFX were displayed in the dialogue on the screen for magic being casted during the dialogue, you dont actually see anything
quasi mantle
Oh my god, I hate visual novel style dialogue interaction.
sharp wolf
ayup!
that was also what killed it
I really just want a good RPG
guys i have not played games for almost 3 years and i need to play something
light spruce
Whereas I'm more like, "man, if you don't like what I made.. that's fine.. I don't want your money. Nobody needs that kind of drama."
quasi mantle
Because of that hatred, I decided that I want PAST FUTURE to have more cinematic in-engine dialogues. No visual novel style dialogue, everything happened as you see them.
pearl elk
Outriders was pretty silly, its like load, cutscene, load, cutscene, walk, cutscene, walk, cutscene, load, walk, cutscene, walk, load, cutscene
quasi mantle
(although I have yet to be able to hire voice actors, so it's all text for now, but still done with in-game models though)
pearl elk
Im sitting there 30 mins in like wheres the game already
sharp wolf
yeah we have basic in game dialogue
we have cutscenes
no voice actors yet
we will only be doing voice for cutscenes
quasi mantle
I've been thinking to have voiced dialogue for incidental dialogues, like the character speaks when you're walking around or fighting.
light spruce
I played the demo of Outriders (oh wow, a game with a demo.. I feel like.... ) and me and a friend came to the conclusion of... eh.. might be worth playing through at 20 bucks, maybe 25... but it definitely did not come across as a "good" game
pearl elk
Farcry 5 was funny, I ran past a few characters and I had like 4 people all talking at me, its like arrrrgh shhhh
light spruce
Yeah, you have to be really careful with "ambient dialogue"
pearl elk
If your characters arnt good no amount of cutscenes will help
quasi mantle
So that the player won't sit through long cutscenes.
My rule would be cutscenes should be no longer than 10 minutes in a row, and must be skippable to give speedrunners time advantages.
pearl elk
I would much rather just get to the gameplay, if that loop is good the story stuff is kinda forgiveable
cursive crypt
Farcry 5 was funny, I ran past a few characters and I had like 4 people all talk...
Where you saw 4 ppl talking at you there? At most two, rest is just screams.
pearl elk
but if youre constantly injecting yourself in the gameplay with exposition or tutorials, man, frustration
quasi mantle
I really put speedrunners into mind (I myself speedrun Doom in weekends), I prioritise gameplay over in-your-face exposition or tutorials
sharp wolf
you know what.... &$%* it
light spruce
If you've got really solid gameplay, you can get by with a mediocre story... it's a problem if it's shit enough that it starts to detract from the experience... the inverse isn't true
sharp wolf
im cutting all tutorials
pearl elk
Where you saw 4 ppl talking at you there? At most two, rest is just screams.
one was actually over the radio in my ear, the others were in the world near me, one I triggered and walked off and 2 were just ambient
cursive crypt
one was actually over the radio in my ear, the others were in the world near me,...
Aye, the Radio, actually at the end I understood it got spoilers. Never listened to it for hours before.
light spruce
"Grind sneak on a mudcrab... never play the game" ✅
quasi mantle
The way I implement tutorials is just put in in GTA style hint box in the top left hand corner, without pausing the game, so that you won't be disrupted by tutorials or speedrunners can just speed through the stuff right away.
pearl elk
I dont mind the radio in the ear thing if its done right but if your ear voice is constantly telling me to hurry up and do things their way, grumble grumble
light spruce
Honestly, I would say that if you give a shit about speedrunners... just make a mode for it
That way people aren't doing dumb weird shit to save in-game time
"well, it's faster to save, quit, and load a save for IGT than it is to wait on this lift to get here"
sharp wolf
This is all a lot of good info here 😄
pearl elk
Im not really a speedrunner, I just dont care about your 3 page notes left carefully placed around the level and crap like that. I like meaningful interactions but its like everything is an episode of Days of our Lives where it has to be drawn out and dramatic for effect and character
sharp wolf
Is someone writing all this down? The Unreal Slackers Guide to Proper Non-&*$% Game Design?
quasi mantle
That way people aren't doing dumb weird shit to save in-game time
Nah, I still adore weird setups in speedrunning.
pearl elk
if your stories and characters are compelling like The Walking Dead, go for it, if not... dont force em on me 😛