lounge

[light spruce]

65%. Separate numpad if you actually do enough numeric entry stuff to warrant it. If I ever started doing a bunch of CAD shit again, I'd pick one up / build one because I don't need it all the time

[cursive crypt]

Can't, entering my pin on Win login I can do only through the numpad.

[foggy path]

Unless you have a tiny table I'm not quite sure what problem not having a numpad solves lol

[deft ingot]

I started off thinking I wanted 65% and didn't want to abandon my arrow keys, but now keyboards with separate arrow keys annoy me lol. Like I gotta move my hand position now?
Every key being accessible from a single hand position is 💯 😘 👌

Replacing capslock with a third shift-style keylayer is really the best thing ever too

Every keyboard should do that, capslock is useless

[foggy path]

you must have really long fingers if you can manage to reach every key without moving your hands at all

[deft ingot]

Have you ever used a 60% keyboard?

[foggy path]

I don't think having less keys on it is going to make it easier to reach all keys unless the keys themselves are physically smaller

[deft ingot]

This one kinda sucks, I have a different one. But I can reach all the keys without moving my hands.

Just my fingers

I don't have large fingers/hands lol

[foggy path]

that's pretty impressive if you can reach esc or backspace without moving your hands at all

I certainly cannot lol

[deft ingot]

I mean... You just reach up with your pinky

[light spruce]

I use one because I've got more space to use and/or place my mouse now.

telepathy

[foggy path]

my pinky reaches the key before backspace but not backspace, have to move the hand :P

[deft ingot]

From A to Esc isn't a big reach

Ohno

You might have small hands, or my hands are bigger than I think

Lol

[foggy path]

lol

[cursive crypt]

Huh, my hand is big enough to reach all keys on such keyboard w/o moving.

*hands

[foggy path]

I need to at the very least turn from the wrist to get to those keys at the corners

[light spruce]

oh, hell... ISO enter key

[cursive crypt]

Ah, definitely there are some wrist rotations, but maybe in terms of +/- 15 degrees? 🤔

[light spruce]

I feel like you can tell everything you need to know about a person by whether or not they have an ISO enter

[deft ingot]

Lol

*Not my keyboard

[foggy path]

Yeah you can tell if they live in a country using an ISO enter lol

[light spruce]

You can tell if they're an objectively terrible person

[foggy path]

for the longest time I didn't even realize there were different enter keys besides that style

[cursive crypt]

Makes me wonder, when everyone switched. Or most of them. Maybe in the last 10+ years

[light spruce]

ISO enter keys are awful

[foggy path]

in finnish "iso" means "big" so calling it an iso enter is quite appropriate lol

[cursive crypt]

I was kinda annoyed at the beginning with these small Enters. Hard to hit.

[foggy path]

yeah

[light spruce]

I've never understood why they made them. Because they're taller in a way that gives you an area to hit.... that's farther away

[deft ingot]

I've used both throughout my life. I'm in the United States, and somehow I've ended up experiencing several key styles lol

This is they keyboard I have right now:
https://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/Ducky-One2-Mini-RGB

[foggy path]

I have a Ducky Shine4

[deft ingot]

Nice 😄

Ducky is p good

[foggy path]

yeah

[deft ingot]

Do they do the limited edition spacebars for the Shines?

[cursive crypt]

lol, it is tiny.

[deft ingot]

My One2 has a Year of the Pig spacebar

[foggy path]

Yep, this one is year of the horse

[deft ingot]

NICE

[cursive crypt]

Oh, no. Wtf is doing the ; over there?

[light spruce]

on that awful qwertz thing?

[cursive crypt]

Interesting, it is duplicated or the pic is small and I don't see. I have the pipe | over there instead.

There is no also a Context menu button :/

[light spruce]

.. you ... use that button?

[cursive crypt]

Ah, haha, true. I have like 6 custom macro buttons. I think, I ever used them for FF14 macros, or few other games.

[deft ingot]

Right, that's just how an entire mini keyboard works

You don't have capslock, you have an entire programmable keylayer that is activated with capslock

capslock + numrow are my F keys

capslock + backspace is delete

capslock + escape is `

On the Ducky it comes preconfigured so capslock + WASD controls your mouse lol

I NEVER use it, and I've thought about reprogramming those keys to do something else

[light spruce]

objection: facts not in evidence

[deft ingot]

?

[solid aurora]

https://www.slashgear.com/artstation-joins-epic-games-what-will-change-30671131/

[cursive crypt]

Yeah ^ old news 😛

Kinda wonder what will come up out of it.

[fathom wadi]

me shamelessly plugging my artstation more often :d

[cursive crypt]

May Sale will be full of donuts

[fathom wadi]

I had to block notifications from the UE facebook group after I posted it because of the whiners :p One dude told me that game development wasn't art. And there I was, ready to cut my ear off whilst supping some absynthe and debugging

[cursive crypt]

Ah... yeah, well... I can somehow understand the bad expectations.

For many people are really not understanding why Epic, lol

[fathom wadi]

because the fine line between the arts, media, tv, movies and such are now blurring. Unreal is being used in all of those and archviz etc. Why not invest in a platform that has already become a staple of artist's external facing canvas and welcome it into what will essentially be another platform for realtime rendering of art?

It's not like Epic are running the company. It's still independent and will simply run better. And who knows, perhaps when the tide breaks at the shore, we will all have a nice interface to the artworld instead of mooks pretending games aren't art.

Not to mention the reduction is cut for what Artstation takes already. From 30% to 12% and down to potentially 5% for pro users.

[cursive crypt]

I kinda feel like wherever Epic touches, there is a discount, lol

[fathom wadi]

By developers, for developers.

[dense storm]

we will all be discounted soon..

[cursive crypt]

I'm not so old :/

[fathom wadi]

im a discount dev as it is. Pay me :p

[cursive crypt]

Also, if one works for free, there is no greater discount than 100%

[fathom wadi]

You are only as old as the version of Unreal you first installed :p

[cursive crypt]

We'll instances of Many, the bot.

[ivory lodge]

Hello. I'm dipping my toe back in the water of gamedev.

[cursive crypt]

I'm dipping my spoon in a yogurt... which just finnished.

Late night snack 🤷‍♂️

[fathom wadi]

BP_Probiotic

[cursive crypt]

Ha! 🙂

[ivory lodge]

@cursive crypt Yogert is more fun...

[median wraith]

Na, we are already xD

The facebook algorithm is failing to find me friends but at least its returning me a good amount of artist to follow 🧐

[fathom wadi]

all I get is adverts. It's truly awful.

The fact it's more interesting to read LinkedIn these days tells you everything about FB.

[median wraith]

😂

[median wraith]

well thats true, Linkedin is the new FB xD

[ivory lodge]

I know I made a Gameplay Ability System with ALS4, Character Interaction and Ballistics FX already imported... meh... do it again..

[soft night]

there have being too tight with unreal as other engine users seems to get grudge for epic because of it

[ivory lodge]

@zinc matrix It's been 6 months and I think I trashed all most of my work in a depressive episode.

Like my music teacher used to say: "Do it again, but RIGHT this time!"

[fathom wadi]

tell your music teacher that Miles Davis told you that "Fear not mistakes, for there are none" and flick them a middle finger.

[ivory lodge]

I'm pretty sure she's dead by now. She was ancient when I was young. Also, I hated piano and my parents kept making me go so I don't think she liked me much.

[fathom wadi]

yeah sounds like a bitch. I had one of them as my music teacher. Kicked me out of my exam because I put my hand up to ask to use the bathroom. Which is funny because I left school and became a musician 😄

[ivory lodge]

Probably in hell teaching children to hate music even now...

[foggy path]

I just remember having funny teachers

my math teacher in upper elementary was an old guy, he once ate one of those chalks you'd draw with for heartburn

lol

[ivory lodge]

My parents were crazy evangelicals so I could only learn from people from their church. Which means only hymns.

[foggy path]

my PE teacher in the same school was also an old guy and once he came to talk to us about some kind of game his kid (I think?) had been playing called mega man lol

[ivory lodge]

I LOVED my math teachers...

[fathom wadi]

I had psycho teachers who were all hypocrites. Like my Religious Education teacher who was married and banging the P.E teacher. Must be an acronym thing. Then there is the science teacher who punched me in the face, then said "Don't cry I didn't hit you that hard" and 6 months later he was arrested for sexually abusing his niece. I could go on.... catholic schools are mental.

[ivory lodge]

Catholic schools would have been progressive. I remember hearing sermons about how black people are the devil's chosen people.

[fathom wadi]

come to think of it, my French teacher once slapped me in the face too because she heard someone say something and thought it was me.

and the PE teacher punched me once but that was warranted because I was kicking the shit out of someone at the time, but only because I had gone to him to say I was being bullied, and he ignored me and called me a softie, so I went and kicked ass.

[foggy path]

jeez lol

the worst thing the PE teacher I mentioned did was force everyone to do pushups because one student didn't want to dance (we had some kind of dance lessons once or twice I think)

we had some teachers that some students didn't really like because they were seen as strict or difficult or demanding

[fathom wadi]

my P.E teacher caught me talking whilst he was explaining the discus once. I pretty much knew how to throw something so I was chatting away. He told me to "run around the track until I tell you to stop" and he left me running for 45 minutes. When he realised he said "have you been running all that time?" and I said "yes" and he was impressed. Stupid arsehole.

[foggy path]

but in retrospect, I'm pretty sure all of them actually enjoyed teaching their respective subjects

actually the only one who didn't have any fucking idea what he was doing was the student guidance councilor lol

[fathom wadi]

I was downgraded by two teachers who didn't like me. Which, ironically, was the two subjects I worked hardest in. When I got to college to redo my qualifications, I entered the exact same coursework and got A- and A+

I remember my first day at school too. Being asked "Are you XXXXXX's brother?" and I said "yes" and they said "Well now I don't like you".

Which is a shame because my brother fought for this country in several wars. But you know... you can't train a grown asshat.

[foggy path]

yeah stuff like that always makes me wonder why the fuck did they even become a teacher in the first place

[fathom wadi]

yeah its why I quit teaching too. 9 to 5 slackers who don't really care about anything other than the career money.

[foggy path]

I was "teaching" unit testing but it got boring lol

[ivory lodge]

How do you teach unit testing?

[foggy path]

same way as any other topic I guess, by telling people how to do it properly? lol

[ivory lodge]

Ok...Never thought it was a heavy subject.

Half of programming is "Read the code and figure it out!"

[foggy path]

yeah, that works too but there's nuance to how to do it in an efficient way so you don't waste time, or how to write testable code, using test-driven development, the relevant tooling for it... etc. :)

[fathom wadi]

What I do is let someone else do that and figure it out for me. /smokes pipe and tips hat

[ivory lodge]

I guess that's true. Most of mine just use text files to test the input and output.

Unix programmer so...

[foggy path]

yeah I'm sure a lot of the people I helped out paid me exactly for that reason lol

I already figured it out so I could tell them how to do it :P

[fathom wadi]

im a bit of a bargain basement coder because I'm self taught. So I skipped a lot of the useful stuff like that as I only learned what I needed at the time

[foggy path]

and yeah if you can actually test your program by just feeding it a bunch of text and checking its output then that's pretty good :D I mean that's pretty much the basic premise of unit testing anyway, feed inputs check outputs, but a lot of stuff unfortunately isn't quite that straightforward to test

and yeah I'm entirely self taught as well, I just spent time learning that stuff because I figure it makes me better at programming :P

[ivory lodge]

@fathom wadi Then you learned the most important programming lesson: How to teach yourself.

[fathom wadi]

aye if I wasn't all over the place trying to make money to move my family into a sanitary place to live, I'd do more of that and get upto scratch

[ivory lodge]

Most programmers today are lost when they are outside their expertise.

Makefiles are usually a good indicator of if your programmer can adapt. If they bothered to learn how they work, they are usually in it for the code.

[fathom wadi]

Im weathered so I have what is called "fleeting expertise". Too generalist for my own good 😄

[foggy path]

Makefiles eww

I think being a generalist can be useful

like I know a ton of random tools kind of superficially :P

[fathom wadi]

it can be. But when it comes to self confidence, I feel I would employ someone else :p

[ivory lodge]

If you don't have makefiles then you have something worse: CMake, ant or, worst yet, shell scripts. When I ask Visual C programmers about makefiles they either panic or don't know what they are.

[foggy path]

it's useful in just having a wide ranging background so if you come across a new problem you can usually come up with a solution

like I can pick up brand new programming languages probably in a week or so if needed because of my background

[ivory lodge]

There is a basic literacy in programming that allows you to move to new ideas quickly. I feel confident I could code in any language, since I've programmed in so many.

[foggy path]

I picked up Ruby on Rails from zero in a week'ish :P

[fathom wadi]

I've coded in 10 languages so far. 9 of them I don't use anymore 😄

[ivory lodge]

I highly recommend C, C++, Lisp, Prolog, Forth, and a few others that elude me...

[fathom wadi]

I pitched my tent into Unreal Engine in 2010 and never looked back.

[foggy path]

I count something like 20-25 off the top of my head and most of them yeah I don't use :P

I jumped between a lot of languages out of curiosity really

[ivory lodge]

But you understand the concepts. What I hate are "programmers" that don't understand pointers and memory.

They are not programmers. They are scripters.

[foggy path]

I dunno

I never work with pointers or memory :P

[fathom wadi]

scripters and programmers are the same thing but one is pretentious and picks on the other 😄

[foggy path]

I don't know if I have a very good understanding of memory to this day (eg. memory on stack vs whatever?)

[ivory lodge]

@foggy path Everyone works with them... You either understand what you are working with, or you don't.

[foggy path]

but I'm sure if I for some reason needed to know those kinds of details I could pick it up lol

[ivory lodge]

And when something breaks, and you don't know the foundations you are stuck.

[foggy path]

@zinc matrix enough to work on a reasonably sized project without being constantly confused I guess lol

or enough to be reasonably productive

lol

[ivory lodge]

Sorry, I have strong opinions from fixing other people's code.

[fathom wadi]

I know enough that when I needed to take native C code, that I had never even looked at, and convert it to C++ and finally into Unreal C++, I managed it. That was a nice confidence booster. But the real confidence booster was getting into the editor code without documentation. That's a true test.

[ivory lodge]

I wish I could use emacs instead...

😦

[foggy path]

I think 99% of the code I've written was in langs with automatic memory management and no pointers

it's only with UE that I've needed to go back to C++ :P

[fathom wadi]

i added garbage collections to Flash once. But I kind of copy/pasted most of it

[foggy path]

I'm pretty sure ActionScript has automatic memory management?

[fathom wadi]

some but I was making a 3d engine in flash

[foggy path]

Ah

[fathom wadi]

its polygon limit started to shudder around 3k polys so optimisation was key

[ivory lodge]

@fathom wadi I was making a 3D engine in Lisp...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdck5rCqw6w&list=PLMXg6NCPPSVWNEpq-AQtCjEjX4PpNxS6B&index=50&t=4s

[fathom wadi]

my home made video to Cream's The White Room is looking good 😄

that reminds me of the cow from this video. Warning, epilepsy inducing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KITiKVGMw

[ivory lodge]

I'll save that one for when I'm done, chill and stoned.

Ok...I have to update EVERYTHING.

[fathom wadi]

its not too chilled. More a pumping techno track from the days when MTV still played music 😄

heh I was the first view on that video. Must be a reupload

[ivory lodge]

@fathom wadi I have to constantly explain to my son that tv shows were on TV at a particular time and if I missed it, I couldn't watch it later.

[fathom wadi]

yeah. 2am. The Chill-out Zone on MTV. It was my "just got home, time to come down" time 😄

[ivory lodge]

So if we watch a series, I might not know all the episodes.

I remember putting on MTV just for noise in the background.

Now I listen to lectures... I"m weird.

[fathom wadi]

yeah I swapped all my old rock n roll habits for GDC talks. But I can live with that 🙂

[ivory lodge]

Just to prove I'm not a COMPLETE hack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gbaL9el_zA

[foggy path]

nice

I wonder where's the jankiest video clip of king of tapes I could post...

[ivory lodge]

Wouldn't that just be Spinal Tap?

[foggy path]

well this is only mildly janky https://streamable.com/i1a2iy

[ivory lodge]

It's a cool boomer shooter!

(I play Ion Fury... yes, I KNOW...)

[fathom wadi]

ship it.

I was legitimately impressed with the Urine Meter.

[ivory lodge]

It's likely enough to get investors.

How did I miss the Urine meter.

I like it. Sort of a cartoon feel.

[fathom wadi]

Not sure about IK, that was more like Ooooookay

[foggy path]

I actually do have a cool boomer shooter project too :P

I wonder if any of the clips of that are still up because streamable has lost them I'm sure...

[ivory lodge]

@foggy path My dream project is a remake of Vampire Bloodlines.

With all the anti-corporate stuff left in.

[humble remnant]

Truck Simulator 2022 looking good

[fathom wadi]

Troika were so screwed on that game.

[ivory lodge]

Also, I have a lot of jank mixed into my youtube channel.

Jank happens.

[foggy path]

https://streamable.com/nvoxs6 there we go

this project is kinda on ice atm though :D

[ivory lodge]

DaddyJuice!

It's an aquired taste.

[fathom wadi]

did you steal the sound effects from Duke?

[foggy path]

yeah a lot of the guns and such are from doom

the music is from irving force who I was making the game with

[fathom wadi]

nice music

[foggy path]

we were testing a system to generate music from stems but it didn't work so well at the time since UE didn't yet have the more precise audio scheduling thingy they added in 4.26 I think

[fathom wadi]

funny you should say that, when the announced the audio updates I wanted to make a markov chain for game music generation but being that it would have taken me months/years and I Need money, its been on the back burner

[ivory lodge]

I have $20.

Ok.. converting my new blueprint project to C++... this will take a while.

[fathom wadi]

good time to slack

[ivory lodge]

This is my own project I can slack all night.

Cat wants fed though...

[ivory lodge]

The Church of Bob? Nice!

I need to buy a lifetime membership.

Come to think, this is the most I've chatted to anyone in a while.

Dumb question but why do we need to eat more than once a day?

I wish I could just route it from my spare tire.

Gawd this is taking so long...

Looks like the Character Interaction System has been updated since my last look.

[deft ingot]

I'm weird in that I don't really stop eating. Small meals with snacks throughout the day.

[ivory lodge]

Yeah... I grabed a food bar. Eating is annoying. Another daily reminder of why carbon based life sucks.

Meh... I'm pretty sure I had depression in my early teens. I roll my ass out of bed every day to make more money for the billionaires. What more does anyone want from me?

[foggy path]

http://best-quake.com lol

[deft ingot]

Eating properly really does go a long way to help though. I can't judge your habits and I don't know what you eat, but I feel so much better when I don't keep trash food around the house and snack on things like apples/carrots/etc

[ivory lodge]

Frankly I've been eating too much lately. Gained 10-20 pounds.

[deft ingot]

I think eating smaller meals and snacking consistently throughout the day also helps your metabolism

Also helps prevent crashing. Like, your body isn't sitting on idle and then getting slammed 3 times a day. Instead it has a consistent energy burn.

[foggy path]

iirc the recommendation is something like 3-5 times per day with at least 3 being sort of larger meals and inbetween smaller snacks

[deft ingot]

Yeah

[fathom wadi]

I eat once a day usually. Usually 3/4 of the way through the day. Anxiety kind of kills my appetite for most of the day

[deft ingot]

In this case smaller meaning like, you're not filling yourself to the point you aren't hungry again until the next meal lol. Not the "average American meal."

[foggy path]

lol

[deft ingot]

It's really flexible to be honest, but the idea is you aren't just gorging your body a few times a day.

Like people are different and have different consumption needs. A nutritionist can tell you best if you're really worried.

[broken sigil]

I usually have 2 big meals and a bunch of snacks and crap the whole night while I work
Not overly healthy 😐

[deft ingot]

As a graduate student, I can't afford the time to eat as healthy as I'd like to and sometimes I have to have freezer burrito days.

Lol

[fathom wadi]

I did my time on the noodles as a faily meal when I was a student. Beans on Toast for xmas dinner 😄

[ivory lodge]

Ok. New project with ALS4 and I've compiled in the GAS. Also moved all the assets from the Character Interaction System. I think I'm done.

[humble remnant]

Converting a BP project to C++

At this point I'm not even convinced it's worth it

Or I'm just anxious of the idea of doing it after making framework on framework with just BPs

[ivory lodge]

It's necessary for the Gameplay Ability System to work.

[humble remnant]

Good thing I made my own then

[ivory lodge]

#include <*.h>

[humble remnant]

Mine works fine for now

For an entire game framework, it's rather performant

[ivory lodge]

That's fine until you try to port it to a 8088 processor and it doesn't work.

[humble remnant]

II'd be surprised to find the day where I'd be porting to that

I'm targeting at the very least decent hardware so I'm not very concerned with that

[ivory lodge]

You gotta squeeze every miliflop out of the processor, just in case you get big and need to move to mobile.

I'm still convinced that Unreal would compile down to SDL2 if you get the setting right.

[humble remnant]

I'd be surprised if the thing I'm doing moves to mobile

I'm still bottlenecked by my GPU more often than not

[ivory lodge]

@humble remnant I'll bite. What are you making?

[humble remnant]

MOBA

[ivory lodge]

WHY???!!!

[humble remnant]

It's not about why

It's about why not

Also I'm not making it like expecting it to get big

Big part of my focus is actually community content

Mods/custom servers/etc

[ivory lodge]

MOBA involve the worst parts of game development: OTHER PEOPLE.

[humble remnant]

I've learned to not give a damn honestly

I mean

[deft ingot]

Motors Over Best Asphalt

A term infamously coined by Riot for no reason other than marketing garbage for a genre that already had a name

[humble remnant]

Tbh mine is more skewed towards hero brawler at the moment

I've custom made basically every gameplay aspect of it so I'm focusing on combat more than anything

Especially because third person

[ivory lodge]

(Looks like I need to wrap the GameplayAbilityComponent...meh...)

If you are doing it for fun, have fun. But I don't want to do multiplayer because a single player is already a pain.

I would go zero players but that's just dumb.

[humble remnant]

Well, community content does include support for singleplayer maps/campaigns

[ivory lodge]

I already know how great I am.

[humble remnant]

Especially because I believe my systems are really flexible

[ivory lodge]

MOBAs have to be the hardest thing to make.

[humble remnant]

With custom projectiles, custom abilities, custom units and some other gameplay related stuff, I believe it's possible to make any genre with that

[ivory lodge]

And since I don't like them...

[humble remnant]

Tbh mine started as a project kinda from spite

And then it evolved to be an actual thing

[ivory lodge]

Ok, that's a motivation I know and respect.

[humble remnant]

[ivory lodge]

If you hate your players, you should just work for EA.

[humble remnant]

Also I really hate the industry standard of always online, always multiplayer, no mods, etc, so I'm doing something that allows all of those

[deft ingot]

Always Online is just using anti-piracy as an excuse to data-mine you

👉 😎 👉

[ivory lodge]

Ok... I'm about to light up. Anything I say from 5 minutes from now is highly suspect.

[humble remnant]

Don't need anti-piracy if you're F2P

But also I'm not in it for the money

[ivory lodge]

@deft ingot I'm totally going to datamine people. I want to find their porn stashes and internet histories.

[humble remnant]

I just want people to create more than anything and enjoying what others have created

[deft ingot]

Get it in now while Facebook is still lobbying to keep data regulations down so Zuck doesn't go to prison for 20 years

(This actually happened and he actually almost went to prison for 20 years)

[ivory lodge]

I'm going to tell them exactly why I'm doing it: I'm going to cater the game to their sick, twisted preferences.

[humble remnant]

Oh damn, is it those games that will make you *** in 5 seconds?

Sign me up

[deft ingot]

😬

Lmao

[humble remnant]

Haven't seen an ad for those in a hot minute since using adblockers

[broken sigil]

Pls keep it SFW

[ivory lodge]

what just happened?

Oh, sorry.

[deft ingot]

Looks like the whole conversation got moderated, thankfully

Lol

[ivory lodge]

Yeah, that's what you get when you talk about MOBAs!

[humble remnant]

[ivory lodge]

Also, the laughing guy is about the funniest thing ever.

Oh, wait. Now is NOT the time to code.

later doodz.

[humble remnant]

[ivory lodge]

It sounds like watch dogs played you.

[humble remnant]

Ubisoft has been a daft bastard for me

Can't even play my old AC games at this point even if I wanted to

[light spruce]

yo dawg

Heard you like lawn chairs so we put a lawn chair in your lawn chair because fuck you, that's why.

Watch underscore Dogs 2 is a game that I really enjoyed. I didn't play the first. I didn't play Legion. I believe that all of that will remain a static state.

[broken sigil]

Been thinking about buying Titanfall 2, heard good things about it
Now I open my steam library and see it in there.... but... I don't remember ever buying it 🤔

[light spruce]

I haven't played Titanfall 2 in a long time. So I never did find out if they went with their higher TTK changes permanently or not

@zinc matrix https://c4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/477/867/592/dedsec-hacking-watch-dogs-watch-dogs-2-wallpaper-thumb.jpg that's actually why I use the 451 error reference.

[deft ingot]

Dang, it's 7pm here

Lol

[light spruce]

the second one tends to hinge a lot on whether or not you like the characters. Some people hated them.

[deft ingot]

Hey I hope this question isn't taboo or anything but what's up with the other Unreal Engine server that requires developer verification to talk in a bunch of channels and stuff? The one that's just called Unreal Engine?

I ended up there before here, and this place is much more poppin'

[light spruce]

dedsec is much more on the playful end of the hacker collective spectrum than f society. Also, way better name

[fathom wadi]

@deft ingot some places are kinda exclusive. It's nice to have servers where people are pros so you can discuss less of the core basics. But a place like this is for helping those who need it in all skill ranges. Often I switch between when I get tired of people asking me to google for them 🙂

[deft ingot]

Lmao, that's fair.

Maybe when I'm confident I'm out of Unreal Engine kindergarten I'll peek over there more.

[dense storm]

Unreal Engine - Everyday is like a new challenge.

[deft ingot]

I think that's true of most programming and development, but there comes a point when you're answering more questions than you're asking.

😜

[dense storm]

well its the actual engine that challenges me

Weird issue after weird issue

[deft ingot]

That's fair, I'm almost as fresh as you can be with Unreal (Not quite first day of Kindergarten, but maybe still first week.) and I've already had less trouble with it than Unity though.

So far GODOT has offered the cleanest experience but GODOT isn't really marketable and I dunno if I wanna invest in gdscript or C#

[quasi mantle]

Local game dev group I'm in, which majority of them are Unity simps, are already salty with Epic acquiring ArtStation lol

[deft ingot]

Unity just puts no effort into actually maintaining the developer experience.

The entire editor is clunky and weird, and usually buggy.

[quasi mantle]

Not to mention the optimisation is hunk of frick

[deft ingot]

Although right now, digging through the content for Unreal and Paper2D C++, I dunno how far I'm going to get before I decide it's too much effort.

I could probably make a 2D game with SFML or something in less time than stumbling through the non-existent Paper2D support.

[quasi mantle]

I prefer Godot for 2D games now.

[deft ingot]

Who's gonna hire you for GODOT tho lol

There are regularly more than a thousand Unity job listings, hundreds of Unreal job listings, and the GODOT offerings I've found are usually in the range of 6 listings most of which are some sketchy guy with "an idea" looking for a freelancer.

Like don't get me wrong, I love GODOT, but I don't wanna do gdScript and the engine isn't commercially off the ground yet. ☹️

[quasi mantle]

Who's using Audacity as well, right?

it's the same loophole with people ridiculing me for using Blender.

[deft ingot]

I mean, I don't care who ridicules for what. The proof is in the job listings with GODOT.

If you wanna do casual stuff for fun at home, or try to be your own indie gig, or join someone else's indie gig, GODOT is great.

If you're looking to make yourself marketable, you should look elsewhere for now until the industry realizes GODOT's potential.

[deft ingot]

Didn't mean for this to sound so mean, I'm just low on sleep and already genuinely grumpy that GODOT isn't picking up steam yet.

Realistically any competent project that displays self motivation and good work will help land you a job, regardless of tool or engine.

But a listing that says "3+ years experience in Engine B" isn't going to be flexible in this way, and more of those exist than not. You're going to see more marketability and more success if you already have experience in a predominant tool.

[deft ingot]

@quasi mantle man you got me thinking about this a lot. I might just use GODOT with C# for my 2D game, I'm already burnt out enough from graduate school I don't need to be scraping through Paper2D.

I can still come back to Unreal Engine for some 3D ideas I have later.

Sorry I vented some frustration about it earlier.

[broken sigil]

it wouldn't even be too difficult to implement the replacement for Paper2D stuff yourself 🤷‍♀️

[deft ingot]

Right, but that's the whole "Graduate student" gig, I'm realizing as I sift through this that I don't have a lot of time for my side projects and solutions that just work are ideal right now.

I could implement the Paper2D replacement, or I could pick up a tool that just does what I need it to do and worry about the other bits.

I don't plan on leaving Unreal behind, I just really agree that there are better tools for this particular job.

If I had more time I might

[broken sigil]

Yeah UE4 is really not great for 2D projects, I agree with that
I mentioned implementing the 2D stuff yourself as a potentially fun side project but yeah if you just wanna make a game/project use the tool which does the job the best

[deft ingot]

I mean you're not wrong, that is a fun side project idea. 🤔

But yeah right now the goal is to pump out some small game projects.

[light spruce]

Time travel: Every day is a new challenge. Period.

It's not strictly limited to development.

You do the best the can and try to be better today than you were yesterday

[deft ingot]

I'm real good at doing the opposite lmao. I steal from my past self all the time.

"How the hell did he come up with that solution"

[light spruce]

As for development, I think Godot has the same problem Unity did earlier, only in a more severe fashion. Do not even attempt to support multiple languages. Pick one you want to roll with and go all in on it.

[deft ingot]

One of the bigger problems I have with GODOT is gdScript.

Not because it's bad, I just really, really despise proprietary languages. I hate l learning into a hole.

[light spruce]

I remember faffing about with Unity and dealing with converting examples from javascript (which will always be garbage to me) to C# (which resembles an actual language)

[deft ingot]

Hot takes lol

Microsoft Java never really impressed me. It's okay. It's like Javascript and C++ had a child.

[light spruce]

Fuck Java in general

I'm old enough to remember when that was really we swear going to be the future

right along with that processor I can't remember... my brain says "transmeta crusoe" but my brain also says "question marks"

Shit. Nope. That was dead on

[cursive crypt]

Java and C# are the two corp languages response to C++.

[light spruce]

never forget obj-c

[cursive crypt]

I did, rip

[light spruce]

Objective C: If it doesn't work, keep putting more fucking brackets around it until it does

[cursive crypt]

Haha, never touched it, but that comment reminded me of Lisp.

[light spruce]

I.. don't remember how long it's been

But I'll never forget that you'll see a line of code that has .... something and there will be just [whatever[[[[[]]]]]] ]][][][][ balls]

[deft ingot]

"Microsoft Java" was a jab at C#

That's essentially all it is

Lol

[light spruce]

It's been at least 10 years

I did a couple of things on iOS

[deft ingot]

I used C this semester in my graduate level advanced OS course

C sure is something, but I'm more comfortable in it than other languages with C++ being my first language.

[cursive crypt]

C++ is for true men. After it, everything else looks like easy mode.

[light spruce]

I had to learn fucking Pascal

img-timeline that shit

[deft ingot]

C++ is like, you're going hiking and you have to put up your own tent and start your own fire.

C is somebody dropped you on the side of the mountain naked and there's a bear.

I had to fight for my life in C low level manual memory management this semester

Lol

[cursive crypt]

haha, tbf, I'm kinda familiar with C from where I work. C is... quite simple language in fact.

Kinda close to the hardware, and that's why I guess embedded loves it.

[deft ingot]

Yeah, it's a step above ASM

Ironically I think I'm better at ASM

Lol

I'm better on both sides of C but not in C

[light spruce]

memory management is dogshit

[deft ingot]

ASM = 👌
C++ = 👌
C = 😬

[cursive crypt]

You gotta know what you are doing.

[light spruce]

To me, memory management is like the old days when interpreted languages were invented and people were like "how dare you? It's your job to figure out how to make programs run natively on this expensive hardware"

Making punch cards is a clerical job

[deft ingot]

There's real merit to manually managing memory though. There are situations where that level of micro-management and optimization are very important.

(Like embedded)

[light spruce]

Yabut: compiler dependent.

It is entirely possible to be "too clever" and cause your compiler to generate a bunch of bullshit instructions

[cursive crypt]

Down there, malloc is frequently forbidden.
Many ppl complain about memory management and how GC is god's fruit, but tbf, I don't see it like that.
Much more comfortable to be in control.

[light spruce]

something I learned from a thing about stateless programming

man

it's like anything else

it's all shit

just shit in different ways

[cursive crypt]

Haha, sounds like an old men's talk. I'm on it 👍

[light spruce]

I mean... yeah.. I'm old enough... but it's more experience than inherently age

[cursive crypt]

Kids nowadays are scared of even high level memory tools like smart ptr and etc.

[deft ingot]

Yo smart pointers are dope

Until they aren't

Lol

[light spruce]

And experience says that across the board.... operating systems.. programming language.. professional content creation applications... they are all garbage. You're just picking your poison.

[cursive crypt]

True improvements come slow 🤔

Yet ppl jump on new techs and yelling it will be life changer.

I think I was kinda the same, 20 years ago say.

[light spruce]

Something that I learned from firearms and tactics... is very true in other realms. Well, two things. One is to be wary of absolutes. The other is that there is seldom an exact "right way" to do something.. but there are definitely several "wrong ways" to do something.

[timber viper]

Thats me

[cursive crypt]

Gotta stay flexible and open-minded. But also skeptical and analytical.

[light spruce]

You avoid the clearly wrong things... and past that... pick something, do the best you can, try to use the right tool for the job, and understand that there is no such thing as the undisputed pinnacle.

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, some people say that even when old, they still have no clue what they are doing. Just pick up what is the best now.

[light spruce]

ha

the problem there

There are two kinds of people that say they don't know what they're doing

There are the people with the self-awareness to know that they really don't know what they're doing.. and the people who know things and then use it in a much more context-dependent fashion.

[cursive crypt]

You mean, vary on the axis of being self-delusional to self-aware?

[light spruce]

I know what you're getting at... but no.. I was really only referring to the side of the axis where everyone is self-aware

[quasi mantle]

I prefer smart pointers than going low level lmao
(except when homebrewing NES)

[deft ingot]

I'm more comfortable with raw pointers than smart pointers

[light spruce]

It's a scope thing

[deft ingot]

But my Undergrad focused on C style C++

[light spruce]

I know when I really don't know what the hell I'm doing in the global scope... and I also know when I don't know what the hell I'm doing in a smaller scope.. but it might not be readily apparent to which I'm referring to when I say "Fuck me... I don't know what the hell I'm doing at all."

[cursive crypt]

Ah, I see. Well, I will just summarise it to "I don't know", lol

[quasi mantle]

I hate Live2D (as a programmer who struggled optimising the API), but many artist I know doing 2D hierarchical animations refuses to use anything other than Live2D lmao

[light spruce]

I mean, I can get a lot of mileage out of saying I've never thought I could solo-dev an MMORPG 🎤 ✋🏿 ⤵️

[deft ingot]

I think solo deving an ORPG is much more realistic. I like to believe a lot of people are miscommunicating when they say they want to make an MMO.

[light spruce]

I don't know anything about live2d. I know that 2d animation is frequently buttholes.

[deft ingot]

I choose to believe people don't think they can make WoW lol

[cursive crypt]

@timber viper @quasi mantle aye, most issues with these come from lacking the understanding of how things work. It takes some time to reach it and there is always something "next". However, at some point onward it is just "yeah, yeah, I know that let's think more about higher level concepts now". Until ofc, a tasks tells you to go down back, but then you are comfortable to be deep in the low-level memory management.

[light spruce]

Considering the amount of cookie cutter quests and how streamlined a lot of class stuff became... I'd actually lean slightly closer to being able to build WoW. Outside of the batshit backend architecture anyway. Then again, when I started playing that.. they had that half a day+ maintenance shit every week

Like most things, your biggest dev timesink is going to be on the straight content creation side

[cursive crypt]

Aye, content creation is bottleneck for the small devs. Scope of work. Like usually there are much more artists involved than system devs say.

[light spruce]

I've said for years that the content creation pipeline has absolutely not kept up.

Not that that makes me some kind of hyperintelligent seer... it's pretty fucking obvious

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of MMO, I'm baffled with how many indie-to-be devs with little to no development experience nor funding already trying to make yet-another-generic-looking battle royale game. It's clear they're going for the moolah first than making the player experience.

Yesterday I asked to contribute to one of those battle royale project, but they offered super bland theme, and offer no payment in prod. I rejected, mainly because I have no experience nor intention to do networking for now (I'm focused on single player game with replication), but also I can see how the project would fail if they're going that way.

[light spruce]

But the industry meatgrinder doesn't really give a shit

Hey, replication means you're halfway to multiplayer

It's just that the other half seems to be larger in proportion than 50%

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, but for now I have no plan for actually implementing multiplayer. Single player goes first, because it's easier and cheaper to work on.
I mainly want to use replication for making replay system lol

[light spruce]

replication for listening for changes is not at all a bad way to do things

[rose tulip]

https://youtu.be/b06PmXhzVr4

This show is pretty funny

[cursive crypt]

"There are no ads...", that the best ad I heard of.

[rose tulip]

lol. O&A were on for 10+ years, they were basically the competition for Howard Stern. Anythony Cumia and Jim Norton are genius at improv

It can be raunchy but its like a goldmine of comedy content if you like it, since theres hundreds of hours worth on YT

[median wraith]

@zinc matrix so is this your game secretly ? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1360000/The_Infected/

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/king_of_limb/status/1388243000904482817

Andrew, The Lark (@king_of_limb)

https://t.co/zh7vUjIEWc

Retweets

2615

Likes

8213

Twitter · Apr 30, 2021, 9:24 PM

[solid aurora]

I;d say throwing more programmers at problem usually don't solve it faster ;

[cursive crypt]

If you throw more at the wall, one might stick on it 🧠

[pearl elk]

You need high quality programmers not just any sponge 😛

[deep glen]

when you are reading a blog and the author goes:
" I’d been using Unreal 4 for over ten years by that point "
and the article was written a few years ago on top of that

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/butbut-think-but-huh-what-gif-5703934

let me guess the blog was written by Tim Sweeney 😛

[deep glen]

lol if only

[soft night]

it was written by Luos?

[deep glen]

https://www.zelda.com/links-awakening/assets/img/gameplay/hero-bg.jpg also, wondering how they added those roads, since it actually creates some shadow/offset where they are placed, and the masking of the grass is really well done.

could just be a tileset setup

[pearl elk]

Thats my game, how did you get the private link 😮

whats a big streamer, is that like 10k+ viewers?

or 500k+ 😛

[foggy path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/television-80s-idk-what-im-doing-GysX9qLF0N5bG

[ivory lodge]

@foggy path MacGyver is my favorite superhero!

[ivory lodge]

Ok... that's a close second.

[foggy path]

is that the undertaker

[fathom wadi]

thats not Skank. That's skank right there. Skanks dead.

[ivory lodge]

That's Brandon Li as The Crow.

[fathom wadi]

as Eric Draven. The crow was a crow :p

[ivory lodge]

THE CROW WAS A PERFECT MOVIE AND I LOVE IT!

[fathom wadi]

I watched it every nice for 3 months straight once. It was also the first CD album I ever bought.

[ivory lodge]

Fire it up!

[fathom wadi]

which one of you motorcity muthafuggas wants to bet me this one isn't 🙂

I love that line. And David Patrick Kelly has been in my favourite movies of each decade, which I find odd.

[ivory lodge]

The Crow vs MacGyver...

And Daria needs to be in it.

[fathom wadi]

Daria - "Victims, aren't we all"
Draven - "Hey that's my line"
McGyver - "Son, you can't even wear a mullet correctly"

[foggy path]

That's interesting, how's it implemented?

[zinc matrix]

its not mine

[foggy path]

ah

[zinc matrix]

https://youtu.be/BxGJ_CxKJsk

[golden nest]

song

[foggy path]

the a la menthe by la caution according to google

[golden nest]

all working fine. however when client reloads the animation for it is playing on server side.

[golden nest]

thx

[fathom wadi]

@foggy path air acceleration. Should find some premade stuff for it but it's all faked and it's never right in these examples because they are emulating and not exploiting the movement code.

[foggy path]

that looks like it's based on the q3 movement code tho

I implemented it once in unity it wasn't too hard lol

that one looks like it's built on top of CMC though which is probably a fun exercise

[fathom wadi]

it probably is. there was a class for it

https://gist.github.com/KroniK907/291ca69d875e36db53bc0718fa21fc55

[torpid star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYY2lstjIe4

source code included in description

[fluid bloom]

it's vappu and instead of getting wasted in a park I washed all my balcony windows

is this bad?

[fathom wadi]

joni im not gonna lie. That sentence sounds like you are already wasted 😄

[torpid star]

this looks like a direct port of the quake C movement, you can tell by the local variables

[fathom wadi]

aye probably. Everyone steals Quake code because it was kinda good 🙂

[torpid star]

and illegal

[fluid bloom]

well in two months my first born most likely will be here so I hope I'm old enough 😄

[torpid star]

top 10 ways to break GPL

[pearl elk]

Quakes code was good

[torpid star]

no it really wasn't

[fluid bloom]

...though I was hoping I'd get my 3080 RTX before the kid...

[fathom wadi]

if you write code that is too good, it's often the only way to do it from then on. So there is a point where you can argue "I was just doing it the right way" 😄

[ivory lodge]

Making progress on my GAS system for interactions.

[pearl elk]

Just compiling code in the DOS era was an achievement so releasing a game during that time makes you instant immortal

[ivory lodge]

Oh gawd... I used to have to work on a legacy system using x386s and dos...and the application was written in ADA.

[unborn lotus]

better play all the games now while you still can!

[fluid bloom]

well yea but I want my new GPU first :\

I have all the RTX enabled games on my backlog

my 970 GTX just doesn't cut it anymore

[fathom wadi]

mine stopped cutting it during development of a VR game 4 years ago 😄

the 1080ti is holding up well tho

[torpid star]

wdym don't you like having 3.5gb of VRAM?

[pearl elk]

whats VR?

[torpid star]

the first VR ready gpu

[fathom wadi]

yeah with a shared memory controller. Scumbags

it still ran 4k tho which I guess is impressive

I had to use gsync tho

[torpid star]

the 970 is a legendary gpu

my fav

3070 < 2070 < 1070 < 970 (KING)

👑

[pearl elk]

Matrox Parhelia ftw

[fluid bloom]

if we're going that route I'm going to say nvidia geforce 256 with hardware transform and lighting ftw

[fathom wadi]

matrox g400 dual head > all before it 😄

[torpid star]

none of those can run crysis

nvidia 8800 gt gang

[pearl elk]

they can run fall guys and among us though

Cyrsis is so 1999

[vast heron]

to those that celebrate it today, happy worker's day!!

[torpid star]

1999 was 22 years ago btw

[fathom wadi]

happy workers day? Thats a thing? Sounds like some commie bullshit to me 😄

[pearl elk]

yeah you go to work that day but get paid nothing

[fathom wadi]

1999 was the start of me leaving the music scene as a job and starting the hardcore path to being a programmer/network engineer/web developer/game developer. A seminal year.

[vast heron]

yes its a thing, at least in the third world country i live 😂

[pearl elk]

oh just an FYI, its the 2nd of May here 😛

[torpid star]

1999 was the second year of my life, so comparable

[pearl elk]

1999 was the year after half my life

[cursive crypt]

yo, I don't want to hear how old I am.

[pearl elk]

Im old enough to remember cheese graters

[cursive crypt]

Oh, you had cheese?

[fathom wadi]

im old enough to remember people still using a mangle.

[pearl elk]

remember that, when you had to grate your own cheese 😛

[cursive crypt]

Never saw anyone around grating cheese. We use a knife. Or fingers, depends on the mood.

[pearl elk]

we must spread the word of the incandescent bulb

[fathom wadi]

I wore the clothes of all the other kids down our street when they outgrew them. We didn't even have a carpet.

[pearl elk]

I used to watch Eat Carpet

[cursive crypt]

Damn...

[fathom wadi]

i have to say my parents did a hell of a job

[cursive crypt]

We at least had a carpet, but no heating for some years. Had to wear winter clothes inside.

[quasi mantle]

JST, I presume?

[quasi mantle]

1999 was the start of my life lol

[tulip orbit]

Winter was great cause the snow provided some insulation, and we could melt it for clean water for the 10mile walk uphill to the salt mines, and the 15 mile hike uphill back home. /old

[fathom wadi]

aye im old I guess. But I started late as I didn't have the confidence to code 🙂

[quasi mantle]

I feel very young in many game dev groups already 🤣
Consider I'm a 22 years old (since this February), and have cartoony taste as opposed to "realistic" one. Felt like sticking out like a lone sore thumb 😛

[fathom wadi]

naah NPR is as solid as anything. It takes skill just like realism. In fact, you get away with a lot more with realism because nobody expects it to be perfect. But put out a second rate NPR and people will whine like wolves to the moon.

[carmine frigate]

they wil whatever you do 😛

[fathom wadi]

true

I mostly whine at my own stuff 😄

[carmine frigate]

for reasons u might not be japanese, or its not hand drawn

lack of slave labour in china

[quasi mantle]

I'm not Japanese, and I certainly lost my ability to draw 😛

[fathom wadi]

I had one issue with an NPR setup on a torus shape and I never released my Bender model. Which was initially built for selling to people

[quasi mantle]

I didn't practice for a year, so I relied on 3D CG NPR instead

[carmine frigate]

i kinda like CG better 😛

blackrock shooter is still the best 😛

[pearl elk]

GMT+9:30

I have no concept of standard time because everyone has their own standard

[quasi mantle]

Japan Standard Time is +9:00
I guess you're somewhere in the west most Australia.

[fathom wadi]

My standard time is Pre-Coffee and Post-Coffee.

[pearl elk]

West Australia is behind me by abit, Im central south

[quasi mantle]

My standard would be before milk tea and after milk tea then.

[carmine frigate]

i have B4 coffee and after beer

somewhere inbetween i can do stuff

[pearl elk]

I have this crappy 6900XT I dunno what to do with, its just sitting here collecting dust. Can someone make a game with good graphics already 😛

[carmine frigate]

i can make something with a ton of overdraw and unoptimized shaders

[pearl elk]

thats okay will run better on this than Nvidia tehehehe

[quasi mantle]

I'm not an alcoholic, nor allowed to drunk, so I have no idea what beers really taste like

If I'm under stress, I just drink a bottle of soda as the alternative 😛

[pearl elk]

after a few beers I cant even tell the difference between RT on and RT off 😁

[carmine frigate]

i can tell there is diffrence but not whats better, not even when sober

[pearl elk]

its like that deformed gummy bear, it stills tastes gummilicious

[carmine frigate]

RT is usually on where there is distracting overdone reflections

[pearl elk]

few car games I had to turn off the reflections cuz the mirror on the bonnet was causing me to crash

[carmine frigate]

and low fps 😛

[pearl elk]

its better when you can control which reflections you can and cant see

[carmine frigate]

life is easy w/o RT 😛

[pearl elk]

it might have its uses but everyone is using it for similar things atm

[carmine frigate]

yea get some sweet nvid funding 😛

[pearl elk]

when I have screen space reflections up full theres only certain angles which look bad, I heard BF5 did a mix of RT and SSR that would be cool to see in more games to compare FPS of a hybrid approach rather than all or nothing

low FPS is an understatement tbh, my CPU on average looses 80FPS to RT

I could render a whole nother viewport with that much rendering power

[carmine frigate]

thats how dukenukem did reflections 😛

[quasi mantle]

This

I'm raster render all the way 😛

[carmine frigate]

my normalmaps get raytraced in blender 😛

[fathom wadi]

rasta render

[quasi mantle]

Bri'ish?

[pearl elk]

dont need normal maps anymore either

[fathom wadi]

aye

[pearl elk]

soon we'll have an optimal Motion Blur and DoF 😮

[quasi mantle]

Amen.

[pearl elk]

Also, I should tell you... Ive tried Farcry 5 and I hate it lol

somehow a van fully loaded with nutballs can catch up to a trans am doing top speed

[ivory lodge]

Someone mentioned beer?

[fathom wadi]

I could only play it for the first zone before I expected too much repetition but I have to say as a story, it was great.

[ivory lodge]

FC3 was good.

[quasi mantle]

FC3 is gold, but FC5 is kinda underwhelming

[pearl elk]

I just cant get into it, feels like too much dead space between missions and silly ambushes everywhere just to waste my time

[fathom wadi]

yeah the gameplay isn't for me. But character development, storyline, artistic presentation. It's all top dollar

[quasi mantle]

Although the animation is top notch though

[pearl elk]

at one point I had 3 conversations all happening too, its like gah who is talking and why can I hear everyone

[quasi mantle]

I'm a bit of sucker when it comes to weapon animations

[ivory lodge]

My idea of character development is Doom guy...from the comics.

[pearl elk]

Im an action shooter person, dont expect me to stand around listening to crappy exposition I dont care about 🙂

[ivory lodge]

You're big so you've got big guts!

[quasi mantle]

GUTS, YOU HAVE HUGE GUTS
RIP AND TEAR YOUR GUTS

I've been playing doom since 2006 😆

[ivory lodge]

Very relatable.

[pearl elk]

see Doom 2016 was good in that if you wanted the story you could stay awhile and listen, if not just keep moving

[fathom wadi]

I like the unexpected. Like in Wasteland 3 when you hit the first boss fight and it starts playing a nice song whilst you fight that sounds out of place, but then it's not. It was epic.

[ivory lodge]

They try to start the story and DG rips the monitor from the wall.

[pearl elk]

I must admit Im getting abit sick of the ear story

[quasi mantle]

Doom Eternal bring in skippable cutscenes though

[pearl elk]

you know those characters who are like weasels in your ear feeding you crap

[ivory lodge]

Dark souls does story telling really well.

@pearl elk Hey!

[fathom wadi]

Dark souls does my head in 😄

[ivory lodge]

Bloodbourn for pc yet?

[fathom wadi]

Im actually a fan of the games but that one really doesn't appeal to me.

[pearl elk]

Im actually okay without a floating head talking at me

especially when they are like hurry up, do it my way

might as well play a coop game online if I want to be harassed 😛

[ivory lodge]

The "voice in your head" serves a lot of purposes. Gameplay, narrative, etc.

[quasi mantle]

What about whispering schizophrenia voices?
ehem Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice

[ivory lodge]

Different mechanism but they still do the same things.

Give info dumps. Guide to objectives. Explain plot points.

[grave sigil]

I need help with something, I made a start menu for my shooter game, but I can aim and shoot while in the start menu, and I have no idea how to fix it.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714921406692851846/838079295255609344/unknown.png

[quasi mantle]

#blueprint please

[grave sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714921406692851846/838079341237764176/GunBlueprint.PNG

[fathom wadi]

@quasi mantle that game is legit accurate.

[ivory lodge]

Have you tried talking to the voice in your head?

[grave sigil]

There you go.

[quasi mantle]

This channel is for off topic stuff only.

[ivory lodge]

I use a system where I translate input to gameplay tags. Then I have a stack of input sinks. When I need all input I just slot the sink in the stack.

[pearl elk]

You set the controller to use input for UI only

[fathom wadi]

I use Neurosity and don't have input. I control it with my brainmeat.

[quasi mantle]

YouTube is recommending City Pop again, after two week of it being missing in my recommendation panel.
How fitting with the night time.

[fathom wadi]

I bought Youtube Premium and spend my time unsubscribing from everyone who puts those in-video adverts in the middle of videos.

[quasi mantle]

You mean sponsored segments?

[pearl elk]

cuz I dont look at BP channel very often, moves too quick for me 😛

[grave sigil]

thanks

[quasi mantle]

Well, the ad revenue isn't reliable anyway, and one's gotta pay the bills. I understand why they're putting up sponsors in their videos, although I prefer when they have clear indication of when the sponsor segment ends, like a progress bar or countdown timer or timestamp.

[fathom wadi]

yeah the sponsored ads. They should be able to flag them away from premium users.

Otherwise why even get premium?

[quasi mantle]

I'd use adblocker instead lol

[fathom wadi]

I use two :p

[quasi mantle]

And modded YT app in my Android phone.

[fathom wadi]

A lot of the videos I see with the sponsored ads are already successful content creators tho. Or they are those failvids that get 100k views within a day. So they can't really say they are getting screwed on the revenue when they are filching other people's videos for content and auto-hit because of the algorithm. Take any useful information and it's hidden in the depths of 1-2k views 😄

give or take a few decent content creators for specialist apps of course. I see a lot of blender videos that hit 100k views these days

that must earn them what? $100? 😄

[ivory lodge]

I should make a video of what I'm doing today.

I've seen videos like that. Yahtzee made a video about how he makes his reviews.

[fathom wadi]

im playing the old "copy an image" thing that seems to always take up my time.

[ivory lodge]

What's this?

[fathom wadi]

sometimes I see an image and think "i want to recreate that in blender. So I do. Just for practice

[hot matrix]

[ivory lodge]

That's cool.

[fathom wadi]

its something to do. I should be doing other things but inspiration beats perspiration. 😄

yeah I can freestyle things but without refs I get all the scaling wrong and end up feeling bad about it

[carmine frigate]

i can sculpt crazy monsters where all those things dont matter 😛

[fathom wadi]

yeah but then you have to do retopology and that sucks worse that modelling from scratch 😄

[carmine frigate]

also silly faces, anything real humanoid i suck at

[fathom wadi]

omg my typing is so bad today.

[carmine frigate]

and props like a fridge or microwave doesnt interest me 1 bit to even try

[fathom wadi]

I think my brain is clouded with anxiety and im getting my words mixed as I type. Not a good sign

[pearl elk]

you need to make a mix tape

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIBMGiD5_rA dont need one. Just need this.

[golden nest]

all working fine. however when client reloads the animation for it is playing on server side.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221796616653373441/838061859818962944/unknown.png

[pearl elk]

animBP doesnt exist on the server pretty sure, its all on the client end

[humble remnant]

You can make it exist on the server

[fathom wadi]

interesting. I thought it would require the server to act as both server/client

[humble remnant]

There's an option where you could tell it to be replicated/exist on the server

[fathom wadi]

my mp skills need some work.

[humble remnant]

Tbh more often than not you don't need the animBP to replicate

I simply need it because hitboxes are tied to animations

[pearl elk]

Fair enough, I hope the ammo clip can block shots 😛

[humble remnant]

Nah, it's not for that, it's for melee

[carmine frigate]

dont you just need to replicate the vars that go into the anim bp?

[humble remnant]

When a character swings a sword, the sword is tracked and acts as reference point for how to calculate melee

It was something related to server specifically

As in

If it's running on a dedicated server, the hitbox doesn't move

With the flip of a setting it worked on dedicated server too

[fathom wadi]

https://marcrogerson.artstation.com/projects/3dW4zY time to get back to UE4.

ty

[pearl elk]

screw the MP, Im going to spend the next 20 years fashioning each poly out of wood

its the only way to get truly unique vertices

[fathom wadi]

started the 11 second animation challenge and omg it's making go through bollocks like "This is the Epic Launcher. This is a store page. This is your life being wasted by this course"

[pearl elk]

I'll just link to my 20yrs of live streaming wood widdling

blows on his fresh first poly

plus this is more like asset chips 😛

anyone want to buy my first poly NFT, starting price is $500k

[glossy tundra]

I'm poor

[pearl elk]

your god is obviously inferior, perhaps try worshipping one which returns riches

might I recommend Plutus

[carmine frigate]

my god is the first god made up by man

[glossy tundra]

My God give me riches so i can spoil myself he give me and his followers THE HONOR of killing and Massacre hundreds of thousands of foes. So we can remain in the immortal life of War and Give him power.

[carmine frigate]

when a caveman saw a lightening strike and said something i cannot pronounce that is my god

[glossy tundra]

FOR THE GLORY OF KHORNE!!

[carmine frigate]

my favorite beverage is the tears of my enemies 😛

the blood of my victims

well thats more my fav relish

[glossy tundra]

The blood of enemy's has more refreshing taste.

[glossy tundra]

I guess he like Mats

[pearl elk]

I feel mattacked

[carmine frigate]

some1 got too my itch with duckduckgo

i got more more weird referrals but its the 1st time i see duckduck 😛

[fathom wadi]

popquiz. Which of these 3 answers are all wrong?

1 point if you said its the place actors panel since they moved the modes panel.

feels like a dirty win because I had to lie on the lighting question.

[carmine frigate]

skylight and directional light are enough for me

[fathom wadi]

I use emissive candles because im poor.

[pearl elk]

well the question is wrong for starters 😛

the list arnt of light actors but light classes

and you can get to that list from either the modes panel or the content browser

[carmine frigate]

and it assumes you want to add

wich i dont at this time

[pearl elk]

no such thing, you spawn 🙂

[fathom wadi]

its not in the modes panel anymore tho since they changed it

its the old modes panel, now just called the place actors panel

[pearl elk]

thats not the modes panel though is it

[fathom wadi]

well it is now. It says MODES on it

[pearl elk]

its mode selection but the modes panel is still the place actors panel because they moved MODES off the MODES PANEL 😛

[carmine frigate]

just go into source and correct the engine to ur answers

[fathom wadi]

a rose is a rose no matter how much it stinks.

[pearl elk]

yes the UE4 UI stinks

[fathom wadi]

ergh

leg o' sea

[pearl elk]

Im still right though, you can do it via the content browser if you have C++ classes showing

[fathom wadi]

yep

[carmine frigate]

im also right

[fathom wadi]

ahh crap I enabled legacy editor but I pressed the button a couple of times.

[pearl elk]

BPs wont show up in modes panel unless it extends epics shit

so really content browser is the best place for a full list of light actors

can we just remove modes all together please 🙂

[fathom wadi]

got to click that show editor classes button though. Which makes my content folder feel inadequate 😄

[pearl elk]

admit it, you use place actors to add spheres to your maps

[carmine frigate]

i just scale down the skysphere

[pearl elk]

I use the material editor sphere

[deep glen]

i scale down a photogrammetized earth

[fathom wadi]

I subdivide cubes to avoid polar capping because I prefer polar corners.

[carmine frigate]

the earth is flat

[deep glen]

then i rotate + copy it 360 times to create a spherical shape

[fathom wadi]

Circle + billboard = sphere

[pearl elk]

I use the foliage tool to plant spheres all over the surface of a sphere

[fathom wadi]

thats some houdini level shit right there 😄

some guy asked me about my hand mesh. 😄

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-sheen-emilio-estevez-golf-clap-men-at-work-gif-7577611

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-thing-addams-family-ok-gif-14883073

[fathom wadi]

I did reply honestly after, but I couldn't resist the quip 🙂

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/addams-hand-thing-okay-bye-ok-bye-goodbye-gif-12780178

[ivory lodge]

That's about as much as I normally get. Most just restate the function name.

[median wraith]

oh wow, much wow

[foggy path]

What did they do now?

I thought WoT was generally liked

[humble remnant]

Something something moving to a new platform

[foggy path]

is wargaming closing wargaming.net or whatever their platform was called?

[median wraith]

No, but looks like something dont works and dont allow to use their account?

[ivory lodge]

Wow... I suddenly don't feel well. I don't think that cake was good.

[cursive crypt]

I ate a pre-made noodle soup 1h before bed and woke up 1h later bloated.

[humble remnant]

That's why you always cook your own noodles

[cursive crypt]

True, I do that 80% of the time. However, they put some drugs in these packs and they smell / taste so addicting. Not to mention, you save like 5 minutes of cooking! Better daydream them for something else.

[ivory lodge]

Making noodles is fun.

[humble remnant]

Making your own is great

[cursive crypt]

I dunno, need to come up with new recipe for them. I usually put carrots, pepper, soy paste, mushrooms + rice noodles. Sometimes I add and an egg. That's the most easy & fast thing.

[humble remnant]

For me it's surimi sticks, eggs, peas+carrots+corn when it comes to the special stuff

[cursive crypt]

pea & corn? 🤔

Hmm... reminds me I can try stuff from the bags of frozen vegetables.

[humble remnant]

If I'm feeling fancy I'd cut up parsley and scallions for extra taste

In terms of spices, I add an extra soup mix and soy sauce

Yeah, it's a frozen veggie bag

On a large enough plate you can heat up both the surimi sticks and the veggies

[cursive crypt]

Tbf, never saw so far good surimi sticks. Like, most of them are... carbs + white fish + the flavour

[humble remnant]

Soy sauce elevates them a lot

I make sure they're well soaked in the sauce and the spices

[cursive crypt]

I like soy sauce, but kinda prefer the paste variant for the soup.

[humble remnant]

Understandable

[cursive crypt]

Ah, I see.

[humble remnant]

If you add the sticks without having them properly soaked, they'll taste bad

It's pretty much like every other meat

Without seasoning, you might as well be eating stale bread

[cursive crypt]

lol

I'm bad at seasoning meat. Like I can put nice stuff on it before cooking, but leaving it for hours to soak... uff

[humble remnant]

Surimi soaks up really fast

Also in a noodle soup it basically unwraps, so it becomes smaller chunks

[cursive crypt]

Okay, you set me on trying at least some kind of fish next time.
I just bought today some bamboo shoots and some spicy asian salad which goes well in the soup, so... I might try tomorrow.

[humble remnant]

I've been doing that recipe for a long time now

If you get the hang of it, you can have multiple things cooking at once

But I tend to have a larger portion so I end up eating longer than I've prepared it for

[cursive crypt]

To me most annoying part is waiting it to cool down, lol.

Like half the time, I burn my tongue.

[humble remnant]

If you find frozen veggies that take <5 minutes steaming to be ready, you can add them directly to the soup

It cools it down in like 3 minutes and they'd be pretty much ready by the time you start munching

Though peas might be troublesome for that

If you'll do that, I'd recommend a corn+carrot mix, since those don't need much before being ready to eat

[cursive crypt]

Well, I think the soup takes me like ~15 minutes to make. From starting to take out veggies, to cooking, adding stuff, cooking and turning off the stove.

[humble remnant]

Ah

I don't even use the stove personally

Surimi sticks @ 250W in microwave for 3 minutes, ~650ml water in the boiling pot, eggs on a sandwich toaster

[cursive crypt]

Wow, your process is totally different. Impressive.

[humble remnant]

I've learned to master the art of makeshift

Tbh from the initial idea to what I've learned now, probs a year of experimenting has passed

[cursive crypt]

I have no microwave, nor toaster, lol.

[humble remnant]

Oof

[cursive crypt]

Anyway, it is not so much time consuming. It is just even only one small pot to wash off too later.

[humble remnant]

I have a dishwasher so even less for me

[cursive crypt]

lol, so hi-tech. Now I feel like I'm cooking on fireplace outside.

[humble remnant]

I've lived with a microwave for like 20 years now

Dunno how you don't have one

[cursive crypt]

I don't know. Never tempted me. I have used few times, but... 🤷‍♂️

I feel like living with simple stuff: oven + stove. It covers what I need (apart from the electric teapot).

[humble remnant]

Makes sense

Once I got used to using the toaster for eggs, it's been kinda inseparable for me

I got it because my sister likes visiting and making sandwiches

[cursive crypt]

Okay, so how you cook eggs in a toaster? Like the ones where you put slices of bread, yes?

[humble remnant]

It's a sandwich toaster

It has a plate at the top and bottom

[cursive crypt]

Ah, okay. I had one like these for some time. Annoying to clean 😛

[humble remnant]

I use a triangle shaped plate to make eggs for the noodles

Normal plate if I just feel like munching eggs

Goes great with salami and yogurt

[cursive crypt]

My mother brought me one before... 10-15 years. She insisted it can cook even a whole chicken.
Kinda nice for sandwiches, true.

[humble remnant]

Once you get used to timing, eggs get really nice there

Non-solid yolk too

[cursive crypt]

Cheese 😋

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-meme-cheese-asmr-cheese-meme-asmr-gif-19072675

[fluid bloom]

heh, this is pretty nifty https://crates.io/crates/soa_derive

reminds me of jai language

https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md#data-oriented-structures

[pearl elk]

you cant make a vec of structs in rust?

[fluid bloom]

sure you can

[pearl elk]

this must be for associative arrays

[fluid bloom]

that's just macro for generating a struct of vecs

[pearl elk]

looks abit like someone put Pascal in my C++ 😛

Im scared of languages with too many snake bites, its an Aussie thing

https://tenor.com/view/snake-hypnotize-hypnotizing-snake-dancing-snake-disney-gif-4846493

[quasi mantle]

end me

[pearl elk]

that doesnt look like a deck

[quasi mantle]

I think UE3's editor interface is the worst

[pearl elk]

funny how some of the best maps were made with that interface though right 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Granted, I hated SketchUp for the similar interface

[pearl elk]

we need a Twitter campaign for bringing back the classic checker material

[quasi mantle]

I think there was sort of leftover of the blue checker material in UE4, but only in thumbnail for the Cube object.

[humble remnant]

Hey, UE has a pretty damn good UI

Hell, I'd even say I prefer it over Sauce/Hammer

[pastel plume]

unity or unreal?

[foggy path]

You're on an unreal related discord server, what do you think the answer is going to be lol

[pastel plume]

i choose what is free cost

[foggy path]

Render half of the scanlines in UE and half in Unity lol

UE is free until you make 1 million in revenue ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel plume]

what does means 5% royalty?

[pearl elk]

Hmm something doesnt look right

[foggy path]

It means once you reach 1 million in profit, you pay 5% of that to Epic

[pastel plume]

how

[foggy path]

probably via wire transfer or credit card or something

[pearl elk]

Tim Sweeney has his bitcoin wallet link on Twitter

[foggy path]

lol

[pearl elk]

just send it through there

[pastel plume]

so that means my game is monitorized by epic games?

[foggy path]

No, it means you are legally required to inform Epic of your sales figures

if you don't do it, they could sue you

[unborn lotus]

Do you really think you'll make 1 million though

[foggy path]

(but it's probably not happening unless you are very successful)

[pastel plume]

What should i choose publish license or creator?

[pastel plume]

i got 100k

100k download

With unity ,but iam done with unity

wanna try unreal engine 4 with decent graphics

[foggy path]

If you plan to sell your product on Steam or such, you need to use publisher license

Creator license is for things that are not sold in any type of marketplace

[pastel plume]

Does creator license have game development?

[foggy path]

If you don't plan to sell it on any type of marketplace yes

[pastel plume]

when i publish my game , do i must pay them 5$ or when i get the million

[foggy path]

If you never make 1 million in revenue you pay nothing

also it's 5% (percent), not five dollars :)

[pastel plume]

have you ever created a game ?

i mean i have lot a space time in this pandemic

[pearl elk]

we just try to sabotage Unitys operations, we dont really make games

[foggy path]

lol

I'm working on a game currently, but I have never sold any games yet

[pastel plume]

I wanna focused on mobile first do unreal engine support?

[pearl elk]

selling them is the real trick with all this free to play stuff around

UE4 supports mobile yes

[pastel plume]

so i think in unreal engine 4 we must creating everything with my own hands and my creativity because in unreal asset store is empty or to high price , thats why i like unreal ,wanna be pro

[pearl elk]

you could get some minions

[foggy path]

I never really found a lot of free assets that I could use in my projects anyway

I have a few character models but that's about it

[humble remnant]

if only sound assets got released more often

[foggy path]

oh yeah I mean I guess I have sounds from freesound.org :P

[pearl elk]

I actually use quite a few MP assets but the best ones are all free plugins on github these days anyway

[quasi mantle]

I have sounds from freesound.org and went to town with Audacity lol

[pastel plume]

people with unreal must have creativity skills

[quasi mantle]

Or sometimes I generate one from scratch with OPL3 FM synth

[pastel plume]

but if unity they have a free assets everywhere

plus script

[foggy path]

oh nice which OPL3 synth are you using?

I've played a bit with JuceOPL

[quasi mantle]

Unreal has a lot of handy professional tools built in, that's a giveaway

[quasi mantle]

Just a standard emulated SoundBlaster 16 / YMF262

[foggy path]

I just have caricatures lol

[quasi mantle]

Just make some 4OP "instruments" in AdLib Tracker 2, make pitch bends and whatnot, record it with Audacity, and add some juicy reverb/chorus effect.

[foggy path]

Nice

I'm not good enough to really make anything with them other than random noises lol

[quasi mantle]

I was influenced by how Vagrant Story (and in extent 64k demos) create sound effects with the similar method.

[foggy path]

I've been meaning to spend some time with UE's own synth components to see what you could do with those

but haven't yet had time for it

[quasi mantle]

I still can't wrap my head around it TBH lol
Also with my method of creating magic sounds, I'm afraid the required reverb will interfere with the world attenuations

[pastel plume]

got questions , if i publish game on playstore and got revenue on that game , where the money stay at? at Google adsense or somewhere else?

[foggy path]

It depends on what the money is from

and how google handles payments with the play store

[pearl elk]

google handles sounds like a killer app

[pastel plume]

fifty bands doug

i read article that guy said he was regret wasting 2 years on unity , after he know unreal is better

[pearl elk]

only 2 years, those are rookie numbers

[pastel plume]

what about you how many years you've been learn ?

[median wraith]

That sounds like someone that isn't on Unity or Unreal at all

can you link the article ?

[pastel plume]

i read on quora

wait a minute

i ask quora like , which should i use unity or unreal and the guy answer like that

[quasi mantle]

Quora can be unreliable at times tbh
It's like saying Wikipedia alone is an academic source.

[turbid spindle]

@zinc matrix, :8ball: Without a doubt.

[pastel plume]

8?

[quasi mantle]

Here's the thing:
Unity or Unreal? Depends on your project needs and your target platform.

[pastel plume]

My target is mobile?

but i like better graphic

[quasi mantle]

Better graphics can be lost in mobile though.
Mainly because mobile have easier time with forward rendering (Unreal is deferred by default) and lower hardware power.

[pastel plume]

So is unreal is family friendly for android mobile?

[deep glen]

fortnite runs on mobile

[quasi mantle]

You could make a mobile game with Unreal, but you have to take extra steps to optimise it.

[deep glen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quasi mantle]

Kinda sus tbh

[deep glen]

nah, just got started

[pastel plume]

i pull up

[stiff crystal]

this is pretty typical thing for people to say, usually they even write a blog post IMMEDIATELY after swapping to unreal, despite they can't possibly know all the downsides yet

[ivory lodge]

Can anyone help me instantiate a component? I'm having trouble for some reason.

I've been stuck for a day.