doesnt it bake when you start ue
#lounge
zinc matrix
pearl elk
Not sure what sort of resolution they would use for distance fields, you'd probably expect reasonably high for such dense geo. I wouldnt expect people with lower end hardware to get any gains over light baking tbh ๐
zinc matrix
DF is only for meshes in distance tho
pearl elk
Yay for loading zones to bring those high detail meshes in the foreground
solid aurora
distance fields are simplification
I mean
they are independent of geometric complexity
but they handle thin surfaces very badly
though so we are clear
pearl elk
well with all the geo being virtualised and split up Im curious which meshes the distance fields are being applied to/for
solid aurora
for creating df it certainly matter but not in runtime
zinc matrix
players connects with game. server calculates the visuals of the whole game. players doesnt need a strong pc, cause the server is calculating everything. the players game now knows which pixel is where. it knows ther is a big stone and sun is coming from this position so it should look like this and that. A.I now can add all pixels together on the players game and create the finished frame.
is that possible?
pearl elk
You might as well release on Stadia
zinc matrix
totally different thing
pearl elk
nah its really not
carmine frigate
the data transfer would be insane
pearl elk
just send it at 120P and let DLSS do the rest ๐
carmine frigate
a 100mb level can generate billions of gigs of video
pearl elk
but but mah streamers
carmine frigate
if u have a 3d model of a chair, you can use it to generate a 8k image from every possible angle while 1 8k image might allready be bigger than the 3d file
zinc matrix
a 100mb level can generate billions of gigs of video
but what if we do it simpler.
like a painter knows how a chair looks. he just starts drawing.
if you understand
carmine frigate
thats how a 3d model works ๐
zinc matrix
i mean once dlss alternatives grow up everybody will profit
and im going back to world creator 2
pearl elk
If its one thing Ive learnt in my time, its that there is no silver bullet, tradeoffs will be made
Much of what we do is about balancing those tradeoffs to achieve the closest result to whats desired
cursive crypt
Hundred times that ^... Like I have to choose between cappuccino or coca cola for afternoon refreshing drink ๐ค
cursive crypt
tbh, I don't drink coffee or energy drinks ๐ฌ
Occasional cappuccino is the biggest compromise.
Also... I will need a DHL I guess to import these drinks, thanks tho ๐
solid aurora
might be hard to get your hands on it outside of europe ;
cursive crypt
Eastern EU
solid aurora
which part ? It's easily available in poland ;
as cofee cola, I tried it, and it's probabaly one of the better cola flavors ;D
cursive crypt
We have only the sugar-free and the cherry flavours here.
median wraith
Well Epic said it will be released this year so no surprises
versed maple
i know
zinc matrix
since when do you look so slavic
versed maple
i look like tom cruise
zinc matrix
and your forehead lol
zinc matrix
fleet oriole
hey can some one help me out with this
An error occurred while trying to generate project files.
Running C:/Program Files/Epic Games/UE_4.26/Engine/Binaries/DotNET/UnrealBuildTool.exe -projectfiles -project="C:/Users/kushk/OneDrive/Documents/Unreal Projects/MyProject1/MyProject1.uproject" -game -rocket -progress
Discovering modules, targets and source code for project...
While compiling C:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.26\Engine\Intermediate\Build\BuildRules\UE4Rules.dll:
error CS0042: Unexpected error creating debug information file 'c:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.26\Engine\Intermediate\Build\BuildRules\UE4Rules.PDB' -- 'c:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.26\Engine\Intermediate\Build\BuildRules\UE4Rules.pdb: Access is denied.
ERROR: Unable to compile source files.
im getting this error
fleet oriole
im still getting that error
versed maple
run your unreal editor as admin
median wraith
@gloomy badge do you claim in the docs you render the targets to the texture using only the GPU ? hows that possible with BP only? ๐ค
pearl elk
We need more airbrushed abs
soft night
what about airbrushed tattoos
fresh heath
fathom wadi
Well... people know what they sign up for. A child labour built spying device that creates an environment where you can be extorted for your data and services. Anyone who chooses to use this service deserves what they get and frankly, we should all stop preaching about the world from these anti-human devices. Signed, not a fan of Apple.
pearl elk
You know what would be hilarious, is if this issue was in regards to the Apple Card expiring
They'd want to let you continue to make calls though, atleast to that number or oh boy lol
cursive crypt
You will use your granny's Apple then.
fathom wadi
The Cult of Apple is horrible when you are a dev and you know you need that lidar camera tech otherwise you are getting behind the game in some areas.
It's time Epic made the first truly Ethical phone.
pearl elk
Epical phone
fathom wadi
I'd much prefer a Cult of Epic than Apple tbh. Even though you will get the counter arguments from pseudo-racists who pretend they aren't but then slam the Chinese corporation like they are the tech arm of the whole communist plan for world domination ๐
ancient hornet
I'm not sure how much it's because they try to disrupt the status quo or not, but Epic seems to be against heavy coupling between products/stuff
which imho is important to avoid creating megacorporations that will rule to world ๐ฎ
fathom wadi
they do try, but it won't last forever. The people who run the show now won't be running the show 30 years from now. Chances are when they go, Epic will become a scumhole corp like the rest of em ๐
Such is the life of a successful business
pearl elk
Well I dont think its bad to couple things, its just important that many companies be involved, in the PC space we wouldnt have much if it wernt for third parties. Even Apple themselves rely heavily on them for manufacturing yet they seem to rule over their users with an iron fist like they made it all themselves
median wraith
Nice packs this month
fathom wadi
the vehicle one is cool. Needs some work for Chaos setup I guess but the asset creation is the same method between the two so that saves a crapload of time.
fluid bloom
great, I was just shopping around for a prototype vehicle system ๐ค
fathom wadi
are you using Chaos or PhysX?
fathom wadi
it's worth using tbh. I ditched physx a while ago. Not had any devbreaking issues from it in my limited scope so it's been all good. But these will be great for PhysX I guess. Fully replicated and all
tulip orbit
chaos vehicles work good? or still hard to set up? (couldnt get it working when it first released)
fathom wadi
setup is the same as it always was. x-forward wheels linked to a root bone.
tulip orbit
never tried making my own vehicle mesh, but just using the default sedan
fathom wadi
I haven't properly tested them yet as I was only interested in the setup at the time I checked it out. So not sure if there are performance gains/losses but when you consider the functionality from Niagara cohabitation, it's probably going to be worth a trade off for chaos
if I can shoot sparks from wheel rims grinding, factoring in damage and intensity, that beats slapping a cascade particle on by a country mile for me if you are considering realism.
tulip orbit
my issue with the physx version of vehicles is that not enough was exposed to BP, and it being a plugin I was unable to figure out how to expose things and get it working right for what I wanted
with chaos being part of the engine, I'm hoping it'll be easier to work on
fathom wadi
all that Px code sent my head west
Just learning how it all worked was bad enough, but being X-hours into it and realising it doesn't even support a one or two-wheeled vehicle without changing the physx side was too much for me. Ended up faking things instead ๐ Lazy way out I know. But now that's all moot.
tulip orbit
I've barely touched actual c++, so its all pretty foreign and confusing to me ๐ฆ
fathom wadi
I was comfortable with it, and I could read the physx stuff, but it's often too low level that it reads in an abstract way. So you end up stopping at each line that accesses something to find out what it does, but the docs are written the same way. So it's all a bit slow to pickup for me.
heh that being said, I'm not having much of a different experience with Niagara too ๐ One step at a time though.
tulip orbit
I havent dev'd in months, just wanted to hear if chaos vehicles have improved since first release
fathom wadi
Best way to find out. Start developing ๐
stable gull
yeah
tulip orbit
yeah... been in a rut, so I dont know if I'd get anywhere if I tried. Got lots of stuff around the house that I'm supposed to be doing, but too depressed ๐ฆ
fathom wadi
yeah feel that.
stable gull
relatable
tulip orbit
doctor is upping my meds tho, hopefully it helps...
fathom wadi
I had almost a year of burnout I have to grind out of. The first day is the hardest. The community spirit helped me a lot.
tulip orbit
I need a job/income so bad right now... but feel useless
fathom wadi
same
stable gull
same...
tulip orbit
I applied at two local software developers, got a rejection letter from one already. Resume is all electrical/trades, no computing stuff to really show... Hobbyist developer with no completed projects? ha...
fathom wadi
Sounds like the first task is to complete something. Ideally something quick and tidy that has some potential trickle income value. Plugin perhaps. Or whatever, you know the score on that.
Im sure there is a market for Chaos vehicles. Or there will be
tulip orbit
I made somewhat of a flappy bird clone, its mostly complete, but I'm sure there are a lot of bugs to fix. Doubt it'd make much money, if any
teal kindle
mm.. 6 or more years ago, I figured "move the pixel, if the pixel overlaps a pickup, do the pickup thing"
"and then just release it... ppl are KEKW they buy anything and u need money"
fathom wadi
naah games are too hit and miss. Might get a few forced marketing sales for a flappy bird clone but thats it. Think about tools. Quick to develop ones. Or assets. Quick to make ones. It adds to portfolio and you buy a pizza now and again.
teal kindle
I still didnt do what I figured ez
tulip orbit
Other than my chaos vehicle requiring huge game idea, and one little editor utility that I have no idea how to even start, I'm completely out of ideas
I need to get some old electronics and stuff in my house ready for sale.. like old stereos, some furniture... quick cash..
apparently some of my old game consoles are actually worth money, if I can find the right buyer
teal kindle
the nintendo sega era machines should be past the mark
fathom wadi
you cant be out of ideas in an industry where idea guys run amok ๐
A huge game idea always starts with a prototype. If you have done that already, a vertical slice perhaps. Then market the rest of the development. If that's your thing. If not, find a friend who wants in on it and can do it for you.
Editor Utility Widgets are a nice thing to learn and will extend your skillset into Slate if it's not already. So thats a bonus. But im not sure how quick it would take to learn because I had no docs when I did it ๐
teal kindle
some ppl even callin wii retro
fathom wadi
theres docs now tho
tulip orbit
yeah. perhaps. One day, when I can motivate myself. For now, I'm going to do a conquest battle in assassins creed and then go have a severely needed shower...
fathom wadi
another bit of "omg not more" advice is step outside of your box. Learn something completely new. It often inspires me.
hasty hinge
Has ur vector math ever been so bad it crashed the engine? No errors? I just get worse and worse as the years roll by ๐ญ
tulip orbit
get off ur butt and put in work
Easier said than done!
But thanks for advice/motivation.
teal kindle
why do u think THATS the advice I opted to give
I cba
๐
I could dig into all kinds of takes and twists and psychological things right... "get off ur butt" much easier
but yea, 6 years of not gettin off my own butt enough
stable gull
I could dig into all kinds of takes and twists and psychological things right......
that's what it boils down to
teal kindle
its kinda like tellin the wright brothers "just fly 4head"
iz true, for sure
caaaan be a little harder than appears
zinc matrix
teal kindle
last few days my productivity has been higher than ever before
it did cost me tripping out badly about a popular game and getting banned barring me from doing time-waste stuff
My advice however, is not, "get banned so u can focus on work"
zinc matrix
jez i love this image
steady vortex
In your opinion, what is good, safe music to put into a game dev portfolio?
teal kindle
is it good?
teal kindle
In your opinion, what is good, safe music to put into a game dev portfolio?
rock'n'roll heavy metal and techno
.... you shouldn't listen to me
steady vortex
Bahah
Seems like a majoirty of them have some sort of chillhop or techno up beat beat
tulip orbit
anything by Cannibal Corpse aught to suffice
zinc matrix
@teal kindle ?
teal kindle
headbangeres most agreeable ppl around, anything you say they just nod
teal kindle
<@!151832800918634496> ?
?
wasnt me nobody saw me do it u cant prove anything
runs
zinc matrix
escape the desert is a very good game
teal kindle
how does it show ur playing it, in scratch editor it dont show editor, just says engine 4.26
and how come google cant find anything by that name :c
All I get is "forbidden desert"
yo check voice they busy.... i waanna look
soft night
Epic fallguys is the thing now
regal pecan
"Proof of concept not for consumer use" is on a consumer-facing web page. Good jerb.
oblique sandal
Anyone got any ssd recommendations? Tired of waiting 20 minutes to compile a change that took 5 minutes to make.
fluid bloom
m2 or sata based ssd?
or wait, is m2 a form factor? Anyway ๐
I got myself a samsung 980 pro
oblique sandal
I've got no clue what m2 or sata mean lol, just need something that doesnt keep me at 100% disk usage 24/7
fluid bloom
well you should know because otherwise you wouldn't know how to install them ๐
oblique sandal
oh ok, I'll do some research on that
regal pecan
Unless you have an m2 dock for sata.
humble remnant
Sandisk 3Ds are good
Cheap for the capacity at the very least
Got mine for ~90 EUR for 1 TB
They're equivalent to Western Digital Blue FYI (not the M.2s tho)
regal pecan
A lot of SSDs perform similarly and are similarly priced. It's the gotcha ones that perform worse (but still usually better than HDDs) that demand research.
humble remnant
Usually, if it has a cache, it'll be pretty good
torpid star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34S3onEr3r8&feature=youtu.be posted a few days ago
very indepth which is nice since cryengine docs are very lacking
cursive crypt
Are these guys still kickin'? ๐ค
regal pecan
Crytek?
normal prism
Are these guys still kickin'? ๐ค
Hunt: Showdown is pretty neat
Decent game
I kinda hate the cosmetics bullshit they went into after launch, but eh
cursive crypt
Hunt: Snowden? ๐ค
normal prism
๐
proud pier
Fall Guys devs bought out by Epic Games. OP
cursive crypt
That a game or a studio or else?
carmine frigate
thats not how that works
fathom wadi
it does and my internet based lawyers on a forum I checked out once agree.
carmine frigate
my lawyer is in prison, so u know hes a good1
median wraith
๐
undone light
I thought I hated developing in UE4 (learning documentation), then I went driving today and boy, compared to sitting on a seat and stepping pedals with both feet, developing is nothing in comparison!
I was not meant to be a taxi/uber.
tulip orbit
dense storm
sinful delta
when's metahuman gonna launch?
pearl elk
two weeks
sinful delta
yay
wheat storm
Anyone else feeling this?
ebon onyx
Nope
cursive crypt
Nope
cursive crypt
This is 9 minutes, not 2 - ๐
fluid bloom
TL;DW: take a crappy photo of a surface and the system turns it into a material graph that matches the photo
pearl elk
Its a 2 minute paper, it just takes 9 minutes to read out loud ๐
cursive crypt
TL;DW: take a crappy photo of a surface and the system turns it into a material ...
Ha! Thank you ๐
normal prism
Interesting
I haven't noticed any GPU instability
Hey @dense storm, that would conflict with your pinned message
I wonder if, IIRC, it's because I think I took the studio drivers ๐ค
zinc matrix
it does and my internet based lawyers on a forum I checked out once agree.
could you ask them if it can be written like...
2019 till โ | All Rights Reserved
or -โ till โ | All Rights Reserved
cursive crypt
I don't think that valid. If it is one year, it is the year at which the copyright appears for the first time. You don't need to update the end each time. Not sure tho ๐ we need #lawman channel now.
ancient hornet
considering blizzard forgot to update their copyright notice from ending in 2020 to 2021 in WoW recently, I'd say you cannot ๐
tidal ivy
copyrights do expire, so you do state the years they're claimed
but they don't expire in 2021 just because your notice said '2020'
cursive crypt
lol, first time I get an offer for bartering UE assets
deep glen
@cursive crypt ?
cursive crypt
It is from another servers, the guy ๐
fluid bloom
I don't understand why copyright notices have the year in the first place
cursive crypt
So you can debate whether you are violating it? First came, first served.
If you copyright something years later, you can't pretend for earlier works.
pearl elk
Why cant I just write copyright 1980 even though I wrote it in 2001 ๐
median wraith
could be nice to know how they did the road aligned materials in car games made with UE4, mainly the offroads, looks like a mesh but no clue as can't manage to find where it ends
sage ermine
I don't know how they do it, but I know how I do it ๐
median wraith
I don't know how they do it, but I know how I do it ๐
and how you do it
sage ermine
I made a plugin for an older C++ library for doing vector graphics called Antigrain
I can draw vector shapes in dynamic textures
And I can stroke a uv square along the edge of those vector shapes
Then I use that dynamic texture as the uv coordinates or a road texture in a material
But you don't have to do it dynamically like me
You could design roadmaps in inkscape with splines that use a uv square as a stroke pattern
median wraith
what the hell
cursive crypt
I'm stupid, not sure I understood.
sage ermine
Aight, hang on, I load up UE4
median wraith
Yeah i got you kinda convert vectors into a shape and texture ?
cursive crypt
... also inkscape
median wraith
thats applied to the landscape or ?
cursive crypt
Brace for enlightment
median wraith
right now there you can use Virtual Textures
but
I don't want to use that for this single thing
pearl elk
I swear you guys enjoy doing things the difficult way ๐
cursive crypt
The only way ๐ก
median wraith
I swear you guys enjoy doing things the difficult way ๐
don't remind me
pearl elk
I just extrude polys along the spline and voila, UVs work
median wraith
And then as technical artist, you see what Epic wizards do and I cry hard
cursive crypt
Ah... in fact, I understood what io said. Just read it again.
It is a spline of uv coords
sage ermine
๐
cursive crypt
big ass energy
pearl elk
phat spline energy
sage ermine
you gotta use a mask with it too
but it's not really rocket science
Actually in my test mat I didn't even generate a mask
pearl elk
compound nurb zspline quad quat copter
cursive crypt
Yea, masking got me thinking.... If it is just some dummy uv coord outside?
pearl elk
unique pixels are overrated ๐
median wraith
When a marketplace pack comes with an awesome example list in most of the cases is because the base is mediocre isn't it ?
pearl elk
I saw one MP pack, it didnt even show the individual meshes. I was like well wtf am I buying
sage ermine
So here I'm using it to debug my planet map data structure
Hmmm... my road example broke atm... I upgraded my AGG and haven't updated the road test to work with it...
Here are pics from forum thread though just to show
Needs fine tuning, edge fading etc, but as proof of concept it works
cursive crypt
Aye you are literally the one to pop when searching for ue4 + agg, lol
sage ermine
taken me YEARS... code is super complicated
I've reformatted it as a plugin, hope to release it open source once I fix a few more glitchy bits up
It's easy to use, it's the underlying AGG library that is crazy mental convoluted
median wraith
yesterday I spotted a channel from a guy that showcase others tutorials on youtube but in different language you know
cursive crypt
https://puu.sh/GmXn7/3a52c16d96.jpg
What is that?!
pearl elk
spline meshes, I just make sure they got really good lods and overlap alittle so you dont see seams
pearl elk
tbh the overhead for polys is stuff all
sage ermine
yah, roads in game engines have been a splinter in my mind for decades
why I dug so deep with AGG
pearl elk
mine uses very little texture memory, its basically the same repeating but you can add decals ontop still or add large noise to break up the individual tiling.
cursive crypt
Looks kinda interesting, AGG. Not sure whether you can't do something else for that effect tho, like just texture filtering in a shader... I dunno.
Huh, copyrighted 2002-2006
sage ermine
Yah, sadly Maxim passed away
cursive crypt
Oh... ๐
median wraith
yeah the most of games uses spline decals
as Cryengine and so
still don't get why they didn't implemented this
but they added river tools 10 years later, so maybe they add something alike
pearl elk
Well theres been a road tool in longer than the river tools been there
It now flattens the land for you when you want to draw a road etc
I think Epic might have been looking at it from a functional standpoint, roads arnt just decals over the terrain they modify the terrain
sage ermine
oh yah, if you're not trying to do planet stuff, deffo use that
pearl elk
for example when you build a train line you typically build up ontop of a base, you would rarely just lay track right on land
for dirt tracks and things like that the ground gets packed and dug out so it gouges out of the terrain. Road decals are only part of the process, you would still have to do the terrain work yourself where Epics tool attempts to save the artist time. You really dont want them hand painting every pixel
I would avoid that line of thinking that doing it just because they did it before is good, thats not how we progress the art form ๐
median wraith
well yeah but I don't mean a road tool at all but that the spline thing to give details
but yeah the landscape spline road tool is nice to mark the first
sage ermine
I forgot about the landscape spline tools cos I'm not using landscape
But if you are, then it's great, especially now it flattens the landscape under the road
pearl elk
Land Mass stuff is relatively recent in terms of development, I know you've been on your tools for years @sage ermine
sage ermine
That's cos I'm slow lol
pearl elk
making games isnt a fast thing, it takes time aye especially R&D ๐
Id started my tool before Land Mass was a thing too, it ticks alot of the boxes for limitations with Landscape so thats a good thing
sage ermine
uh oh, make ue4 mad
pearl elk
honestly @median wraith you could overlay that on the diffuse of a spline mesh, or use it as displacement up close
sage ermine
Aight, aight, unbroke road test
So it's just a test actor using a plane atm
But here's how easy it is to use in code:
pearl elk
the edges look heaps better in that one
sage ermine
Same one
Down here on the ground you can see the edge stuff
That's just cos it's 2k on a big bit of geom
pearl elk
Ahh okay so its better texels
sage ermine
I could massage that out in the material if I wanted
foggy path
New Rider version adds initial UE5 support ๐ค
pearl elk
you've been using UE5 this whole time just didnt know it ๐
sage ermine
And I will eventually, but my planet mesh uses LODs quite heavily so will probably not push the texel density that hard anyway
lol
Took me ages to download the alpha what with everyone else trying to get it at the same time
pearl elk
with spline meshes you get the jankys but they are at a distance with the low lods, you can optimise the geo for horizontal depth too if you dont use it vertically much
for something like a gunship if you fly up enough my roads go all jank from a distance, its really not the best technique for a flying game unless you adjust the lodding manually
Its super good for driving though ๐
sage ermine
Normals are borked on my lods at the moment, but it lets you see the size of my lod tiles...
Each LOD tile will have it's own 2k texture
which I can generate on the fly from the same road map
If that doesn't let me do smooth roads I give up ๐
pearl elk
just bury the edges under the ground, thats what I did lol
sage ermine
I'm gonna have to put a LOT of urban driving into my star citizen clone to justify all this effort I put into roads ๐
pearl elk
Flowpunk 2088
pearl elk
sage ermine
You'd think with an iconic movie moment like that it'd be easier to talk your wife into sitting in your lap in the car.
but no
sage ermine
My build from github is pretty stable
pearl elk
September 5th 2021
median wraith
I expect it does better than 4 first releases
fluid bloom
So what's the ue5 release date prediction?
my client side prediction is june
sage ermine
Early april, 2021
pearl elk
I expect less people will be able to run it lol
sage ermine
Like early
pearl elk
UE4 actually had pretty good legacy API support for its time
median wraith
Not sure what you mean?
Like the scripting and levels and all formats changed from 3.5
pearl elk
like UE4 ran on old crappy versions of DirectX in the early days
tidal ivy
it's always been up to date RE: DirectX
pearl elk
once they stripped SVOGI out ofcoarse, if they left that in less people would have been able to run it better
median wraith
https://twitter.com/ElineMuijres/status/1366489036618096642?s=19
Twitter says this
tidal ivy
adult women have been the "average gamer" for a long time now
pearl elk
it's always been up to date RE: DirectX
Not talking about it being out of date, Im saying its going to be so in date we'll get the usual drones from people who want to run it on toasters
median wraith
like UE4 ran on old crappy versions of DirectX in the early days
I think only dx10 were there
ancient hornet
https://twitter.com/ElineMuijres/status/1366489036618096642?s=19
Twitter says th...
yeah it's not news but there's no money in making a new mine sweeper!
tidal ivy
tell that to Microsoft, because they made a new Minesweeper
median wraith
yeah it's not news but there's no money in making a new mine sweeper!
How dare you sir
pearl elk
Intel releasing dedicated GPUs is only going to give those suckers delusions of grandeur ๐
tidal ivy
ancient hornet
tell that to Microsoft, because they made a new Minesweeper
really? I need to see it ๐
tidal ivy
lol
cursive crypt
Minesweeper & Minecraft ๐ค
median wraith
Microsoft calculator have more updates than the actual os
ancient hornet
joke aside, what matters is more the markets that people fall in
and their size
which means, we should do f2p mobile games with gacha mechanics, I guess?
ugh ๐ข
pearl elk
Minesweeper is a gacha mechanic
tidal ivy
actual Minesweeper wasn't monetised, so of course they created a new one that has mobile game style monetisation
cursive crypt
So instead of a mine, you land on a Ad?
fluid bloom
๐
pearl elk
3d minesweeper, its on a cube
median wraith
Marketing, mobile games ads are filled with gambling games
rotund tundra
they monetized minesweeper, really ?
tidal ivy
they monetized minesweeper, really ?
Solitaire has adverts in it now
welcome to modern gaming
fluid bloom
re: mobile games: it's a shame they're the most common type of game there is
median wraith
So instead of a mine, you land on a Ad?
Minesweeper events where you can bet on the players, I see that coming
fluid bloom
though I guess that's to be expected considering they're usually the simplest ones ๐ค
median wraith
Let me put something here related with the talk
pearl elk
Battleship is basically competitive Minesweeper
median wraith
tidal ivy
Minesweeper is a better game than Battleships, true story
pearl elk
I agree, only because I hate people so anything where I have to interact with them is bad ๐
tidal ivy
lol
median wraith
Is that satire?
I think is mixed
fluid bloom
https://twitter.com/retroremakes/status/1366839286109241356?s=09
it's like it's written by some 20 yo who just studied his/her first political science course
cursive crypt
It is cool prose
ancient hornet
that "joke" has been in the Godot docs for years
people complained how it was out of space a lot
median wraith
it's like it's written by some 20 yo who just studied his/her first political sc...
That's good, my English level still the same of a 8 years old ๐ ๐คฃ
ancient hornet
but they like is so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
median wraith
Not sure when they plan to release the 4.0
Maybe if they add dynamic scaling and dynamic fonts consider to use it for something simple one day
pearl elk
I hope it comes with an insurrection mode ๐ฌ
tidal ivy
doubt it
median wraith
Well I asked for a release date, he gave us the trailer release date as good imposter
its plausible
pearl elk
just deepfake UE5 over the top of UE4 ๐
tidal ivy
I'd imagine the next time we'll see UE5 will be at some big industry event
median wraith
these are in 2 months isn't ?
tidal ivy
it's possible it'll be in the GDC showcase this month, but it's more likely it'll be one of the summer events
pearl elk
I mean UE5 is big enough to have its own event tbh ๐
tidal ivy
Epic only have one session at GDC Showcase, so I don't think they'll be doing much there tbh
deep glen
world wide semi-online party going "5 days of ue5"
each day going over an old version of ue and highlighting new features :p
day 1: ue1
etc
tidal ivy
UE5 is actually the 6th iteration of the engine ๐
deep glen
(pulled it out of my arse)
tidal ivy
there was a mid-step between UE2 and UE3 for consoles
pearl elk
Siggraph is Aug
deep glen
nobody wants to remember that midstep :p
pearl elk
Vengeance Engine ๐
There are a few which are kinda between UE3 and 4, not Epic builds though
I suppose if we go from Gears to UT3 to UDK theres quite alot in there
tidal ivy
I'd consider all of those to be different UE3 versions, there's no significant core changes in there
median wraith
Lets give you a remind that Epic started mixing engine events with game events couple years ago
Maybe this year Pewdiepie showcase UE5
tidal ivy
the introduction of Lightmass was probably the biggest change, but it's not really an engine change, just better tooling
median wraith
I don't see the new engine far from the current engine version ?
Maybe I'm lost of imagination at this point
pearl elk
well its always a progression, each version an iteration on the last. Early UE4 versions probably shared more in common with UDK than they do modern day UE4
ancient hornet
well it'll have Unreal Verse!
pearl elk
Theres been quite alot of new tools added
ancient hornet
probably in UE5 ๐
tidal ivy
UE4 had pretty significant renderer changes compared to UE3
pearl elk
but UE4 was a complete new UI with Slate
tidal ivy
aye
deep glen
biggest worry: more linkage between fortnite and ue5
tidal ivy
there was a lot of differences between the last version of UDK and the first version of UE4
tidal ivy
biggest worry: more linkage between fortnite and ue5
pls no
pearl elk
Fortnite Engine
tidal ivy
if anything, can we decouple UE from the damned launcher now?
deep glen
yes pls, not gonna happen though
cursive crypt
You gonna launch the debugger from the Launcher in ue5 ๐ก
tidal ivy
now that the launcher is a games client, it's totally unfit for purpose ๐
I mean, it was never particularly fit for purpose to begin with
pearl elk
you launch the UE5 launcher from the launcher now
tidal ivy
but I sure loved my dev account being repeatedly hacked because Fortnite V Bucks
(and lax security)
solid aurora
the problem with launcher it's written using propertiary UI system (Slate)
which was never that good to being with
it's slow
as fuck
rotund tundra
if anything, can we decouple UE from the damned launcher now?
... my 1# wish for ue5
ancient hornet
UE5 is only available in WASM
normal prism
One language to rule them all
solid aurora
I'd hoped they get rid of slate
ancient hornet
and comes packaged with Electron
solid aurora
but not gonna happen
pearl elk
you never know though UE5 could see Slate get a boost
solid aurora
it cloud it would require pretty extensive changes
it's heavy by desing
there were alot of optimizations over the years
but it's inherently immediate mode UI
you are only going so far with it
pearl elk
admittedly thats kinda what you want for the editor, for a launcher... not so much
solid aurora
well, no big software is using IM framework for uis
because they are slow
they are easy
ancient hornet
I guess they made it that way to share the HTML with the web version of the store
fluid bloom
the launcher is probably slow because it uses tons of high res images
pearl elk
Im not convinced the launcher team are leet either ๐
ancient hornet
but it doesn't explain why the "game library" part is slow either XD
solid aurora
it's slow because its chrome rendered by slate [;
it's not just mebdedded chromium it's going trough slate render path
pearl elk
well the big blue loading bar can take awhile, my nets not that slow neither is my computer so something else is lagging
but theres actually like 3 different loading bars, 2 different libraries, all very confuse
I can still see the mode switch between the Store and the Unreal Engine section too, everything resizes and changes colour
ancient hornet
one think I have to say about the launcher
the Unreal Engine part isn't that bad
compared to the "games store/library" part
maybe it's just because the later is so slow that I tolerate the first though XD
fluid bloom
Epic is looking for lead web services developer in Helsinki, if you wanna work on that side of things ๐
ancient hornet
although I have a small amount of experience in web stuff, most of my experience is in complaining when things are bad though ๐
pearl elk
I think I like Steam better because its got the stuff across the top with drop downs, its less digging
also frees up a fair bit of space that sidebar takes up
ancient hornet
meh
foggy path
who wants to move to Helsinki anyway ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ancient hornet
I just want them to put a shortcut in the windows folder really
and I launch an app through it
foggy path
I could probably get hired pretty easily for that position with my background if I wanted lol
ancient hornet
it's pretty fast to press the "win" key then start typing the name of the app I want I feel
pearl elk
I just want to not have to have a browser and the launcher open to buy stuff ๐
ancient hornet
seriously, I think it's that much more user friendly to make your EGS purchases in Chrome/Firefox ๐
the HTML isn't the issue from what I remember, the store pages were good enough in a real browser
tidal ivy
yeah, the web store is so much faster than the launcher
the loading times are in the minutes some times in the launcher and it's just not good enough
part of the problem is all the irrelevant tabs and stuff you have to go through, which is distinctly not helpful
the thing is a clusterfuck since it also decided to be a game client but the UI didn't get an overhaul at the same time
so they're just awkwardly mashed together into two confusing arrays of tabs
ancient hornet
they just need to do some extra dogfooding
hmm, it seems Tim Sweeney deleted his reddit account?
jovial quail
he had one?
ancient hornet
he posted on reddit rather often all things considered
there was that time a few years ago where he talked about having a scripting language in UE4 ๐
probably that Unreal Verse was already in the pipeline at the time
pearl elk
Unrealiverse
foggy path
I sure hope they threw away the SkookumScript syntax because that looked like it took the worst parts of things like CoffeeScript and Ruby and none of the good parts
It vaguely looked like you could call functions both with and without (), and params lists didn't have a comma separator, etc.
pearl elk
if UE5 has a scripting language Im gonna... I dunno probably something NSFW ๐
foggy path
I don't really see the point to one but my friend said it would be an easier entry for people coming from Unity or something
which I guess kind of makes sense if they are really opposed to using BP's and they can't be arsed to learn the nuances of C++
ancient hornet
hey
I've seen the example they gave
it seems to handle async stuff pretty good
so that's at least a big plus compared to doing it just in C++ for now
foggy path
Yeah I suppose that's a good point if it allows you to write async stuff in a more imperative/sequential manner like you can do with BP's
One of my big annoyances is that I often want to listen for an event just once and there is no BP node that allows me to do that, so I have to write a jumble of bind event unbind event for it
well "big" annoyances... a fairly minor annoyance tbh :D
ancient hornet
just the for(i = 1..NumberOfRounds) part screams async/continuations for me ๐
I hope it at least allows that
foggy path
what is with that syntax...
it uses = and := for assignment?
or is = just used in for loops?
wait, no, because it's clearly used to declare the variables on top, but then it uses CurrentRound := 1
ancient hornet
I think := declares a variable actually
on top it's not a "local variable", it's a class member
foggy path
but there's also a class variable in that
called CurrentRound
so re-declaring CurrentRound there makes no sense
:D
foggy path
I guess so
ancient hornet
my bet is that they swap the issue of doing assignation by mistake inside an "if" that way
foggy path
Maybe = is for initialization only?
foggy path
That's just stupid tbh lol
cursive crypt
Kinda wonder who thought that this is an easy/beginner/non-programmers level syntax.
tidal ivy
ergh, the syntax on that makes me weep
foggy path
Yeah I mean I've seen worse but that doesn't mean it's not stupid lol
ancient hornet
nobody thought it was easy/begginner at that point I hope!
foggy path
@tidal ivy it's about a 100x better than SkookumScript thankfully
cursive crypt
Think its purpose is for non-devs to use it? Maybe modders.
cursive crypt
<@!99264143659401216> it's about a 100x better than SkookumScript *thankfully*
Skooma script
foggy path
I don't think lack of statement separator really is a big deal tbh
tidal ivy
anything that uses whitespace as any kind of thing can get in the sea
foggy path
Many scripting langs don't use a semicolon
ancient hornet
as a C++ coder
I'd take that easily to not write blueprints ๐
it works better with git too
foggy path
and yeah I didn't even notice it used indentation like Python
that is... a peculiar choice
ancient hornet
syntax is a mix of Python and some ML stuff with the trailing ? in if statements
hmm
well I like it
cursive crypt
Why not python tho? If the idea is to be high-level, you don't need speed.
foggy path
I can imagine the number of people that are gonna have problems with mixed tabs and spaces
ancient hornet
but I know it's controversial ๐
no need to have problems with mixed tabs and spaces
foggy path
I don't really mind the indentation but it's a very easy footgun
foggy path
the only reason to not support tabs as indentation is because of bad tooling :p
tidal ivy
I'd take blueprint over whitespace being important ๐
foggy path
tabs as indentation have one big benefit... it helps developers with vision problems
ancient hornet
I'd take blueprint over whitespace being important ๐
overreaction
tidal ivy
it's really not
foggy path
I don't remember the specifics but I remember a conversation about it where it was brought up that having larger tab stop actually helps people with eyesight problems or things like that
ancient hornet
join us in whitespace land! we have cookies!
if that's the issue
one can easily imagine an IDE mode that expands the indentation spaces size as needed
foggy path
yeah so it's again a tooling problem
tidal ivy
the problem is not being able to organise code for readability
foggy path
that's the entire problem with tabs too
tidal ivy
sometimes you really just don't want to fit shit all one line
ancient hornet
but it's easier to ban tabs for the tab tooling problem
and just have IDEs fix it in postproc/display ๐
Python supports ; separators
tidal ivy
I think I actually prefer UnrealScript over whatever this is, lol
ancient hornet
to put multiple statements in a single line
it's not because it doesn't requires statements to end in ; that it forces one statement per line
jovial talon
ancient hornet
it is pretty weird but you CAN find python code that ends all statements with a ;
cursive crypt
I don't remember the specifics but I remember a conversation about it where it w...
GNU standard is like that, 8 spaces
ancient hornet
and it's valid ๐
foggy path
I could imagine it being possible to split on ( ), eg.
functionCall(
foo,
bar
)
which at least to me seems like it would be pretty decent
I don't really know why you would need to be able to split lines in some other fashion than that
ancient hornet
it works that way in Python too
I don't think lack of readability is a valid criticism you can say about most Python code
foggy path
They just need to integrate Haskell
cursive crypt
Depends on who is writing ๐
Many Pythoners are kinda with non-sw-dev background, so... mess can be big
foggy path
actors <$> setWorldLocation 1 2 3 who wouldn't like cool syntax like this
cursive crypt
Oh... Haskell, hehe...
cursive crypt
Out of hobby interest, it is kinda cool in ways.
foggy path
It has some interesting ideas for multicore processing too
You can literally achieve some additional multicore support via just a compiler flag
cursive crypt
Well, it is kinda stateless machine afaik
foggy path
since it knows what stuff can be parallelized due to being pure
cursive crypt
I more or less reached the point of understanding Monads and stopped ๐
foggy path
heh
tbh it feels like the monad explanations are overcomplicated
it's essentially just an interface :P
cursive crypt
Exactly what I think is hidden behind all that fancy theory... I mean, it is all assembler below, how much you can fake it?
foggy path
I think the theory is what allows it to be so concise in some ways though
even if a lot of it can be sort of explained as being interfaces in other langs, the other langs that support interfaces don't really allow you to make use of the abstractions in such a concise manner as you can in Haskell
there's also fun things you can do with the language's laziness
for example you can have an infinite list that you treat as a generator of sorts :D
just keep taking items from the infinite list when you need more
foggy path
I suspect they're nowhere near as flexible lol
...also it's much cooler to say you have an infinite list that you're reading from because in most languages having an infinite list is either impossible or it will crash :p
ancient hornet
stuff like itertools.cycle('ABCD') that returns 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'A', 'B', 'C', ...
zip that takes two iterators and turns them into a single iterator that returns a pair (or more for bigger tuples) etc...
foggy path
But it probably requires the functions you use with it to specifically support iterators?
solid aurora
the problem with propertiary languague is always the same
lack of tooling to properly (read efficiently) use it
it lacks debugger
proper callstacks
intellisense
you can just as well type random characters in notepad
foggy path
yeah good points
solid aurora
I'm probabaly not going to touch scripting in UE5
unless jetbrains provide half as good ide for it as they do for C++
foggy path
yeah personally I don't see the point of it because BP's are good and C++ does the rest for me just fine
solid aurora
why not just use C# syntax and build custom librariers around it ? It's familiar, it have tools and community around it
ancient hornet
But it probably requires the functions you use with it to specifically support i...
well why are you passing an iterator to a function that expects an int then? ๐
foggy path
It's probably because Epic acquired SkookumScript and they had to do something with it :P
solid aurora
and it was designer by person, who actually designed few languagues before all successful
yeah well, probabaly, at least it doesn't look as bad as Skookum did ๐
foggy path
@ancient hornet yeah that's kinda the point, with Haskell you don't need to treat the abstractions any different. You can treat an infinite list the same way as a regular list, and that's where the power of it comes from imo because it has all these general purpose abstractions that other languages don't have, so others require you to write code in such a way that it specifically supports some feature
ancient hornet
well that depends on the contract of the function mostly
if the function doesn't need to consume the whole iterator to do it's work, it should be ok with an infinite iterator I suppose
I don't see how Haskell can avoid that ๐
tidal ivy
the main reason I don't do most of my dev in C++ in UE4 is the iteration time at the moment
opening / closing the editor is often required, and compilation times are all pretty awful
foggy path
for example if I have an infinite list of numbers, and let's say I have a function that maps a list and adds 10 into numbers in it
tidal ivy
if that's still how it is currently in UE5, I'll need to defer to a scripting language again
foggy path
I can just shove the infinite list into that function and it'll work just fine
solid aurora
opening / closing the editor is often required, and compilation times are all pr...
how much time ?
not that I disagree, but I'm curious
ancient hornet
in Python you need to use special syntax so that your function works as an iterator itself mostly
tidal ivy
compilation time on this project is measured in minutes, even using expensivebuild and a server farm
ancient hornet
or you use "map" for that
tidal ivy
editor loading time into our 'main' level is around 10 minutes
ancient hornet
compilation or linking?
solid aurora
compilation time on this project is measured in minutes, even using expensivebui...
Minutes ? wtf ?
ancient hornet
loading time is a part that is annoying yeah :/
solid aurora
I mean I've seen pretty bad things, but this tops it
ancient hornet
you can improve compilation/link time somewhat with existing tools but load time you need to do the code changes yourself
Hacker News
shame I bet it'll only work on Linux for a long time
My goal was to make a linker that is as fast as concatenating input object files with cat command.
in all cases, I hope he'll manage!
solid aurora
but what happened ? It spends time on linking
or parsing header files ?
and some big header is included everywhere ?
tidal ivy
hard to say, but it's the compile time itself that seems to take longest, linking is pretty quick
I think it just comes down to being a very big project
solid aurora
it probabaly cloud be cut down, but would need some serious header reorganization
to include only whats needed in headers
ancient hornet
yeah long compile time is usually due to bad header organisation
or bad templates
some templates can create quadratic amounts of types and functions if you aren't careful ๐ฎ
tidal ivy
looking at it, there's probably about 2000 classes in the gameplay module
god knows what half of this stuff is doing, I stay in my lane for the most part ๐
but yeah, 15-16MB of raw code
solid aurora
ok 2000 might seem much but I have about half it just split between plugins
ancient hornet
but, the compiler should only rebuild the files that changed
solid aurora
and it never takes longer to compile than few seconds
sullen swan
Anybody here good with computer hardware and repair?
tulip orbit
ancient hornet
put that line in a Dr Who episode and it'll work fine, cause weird stuff happens there ๐
median wraith
what the team of BeamNG managed with Torque3D its unbelievable
that GTA V looking graphics and alike sized map
pearl elk
so wait, Unreal Verse is a scripting language
Tim was always raving about turbo pascal so this syntax isnt overly surprising
least its not Visual Basic ๐
median wraith
I like this sentence is everywere
<If you are making a multiplayer you must use c++ at some point so I donโt think c++ is going anywhere.>
Isn't like there are polished games or so, you only need C++ to make multiplayer games and is a must, usually this tip is always given by people that never executed VS
fluid bloom
trying to change cushions to my bose quietcomfort 35 II's
IT SUCKS
my fingers are bleending from trying to attach the goddamn cushions for the past two hours
stiff crystal
I hope the ones my other half has don't break soon then
I've swapped cushions from my sennheisers few times, it was quite painless operation
fluid bloom
I'm using so much force to get these in that I fear I'll break them
cursive crypt
eww... my cushions are each other month in a need of glue... nobody advertise this, sennheisers too btw
Also replaced the cable already once. The original just started to crumble down, never saw such thing before.
zinc matrix
Why is c++ needed for multiplayer? For optimisation?
fluid bloom
you don't need c++ for multiplayer
normal prism
You need a source build to even compile a dedicated server if you decide to go that route, does that count?
zinc matrix
Im trying to find ways to use c++ because transferrable skill but feels like too much a waste since i usually figure everything out in bp first
normal prism
There's a ton of things not exposed to blueprint, too. But depending on the scale of your project, that might or might not matter.
median wraith
There's a ton of things not exposed to blueprint, too. But depending on the scal...
I mean the guys that claim that never did something more complex than a walking simulator (I mean the ones that claim you need C++)
median wraith
lol
humble remnant
Even in BPs you can still do some quite complex functionality
I'd dare say that for C++ some things are more complex
Though the replication graph is a big one if you need a kphjillion things to replicate
So there I can understand the need for C++
Knowing me tho I'll simply write a wrapper for BPs and use that in testing
tulip orbit
uh oh!
median wraith
I'm checking the TAA parameters for motion but turns out it works but break the whole water system on 4.26
๐ฅณ
fresh heath
ancient hornet
proud pier
Silly
Also, who lives in Arizona
Might as well just bar Arizonians from purchasing anything on app stores
Or something worse. I mean, every platform deserves its cut.
By completely bypassing it, something else is going to have to happen for store owners to get their cut.
But I guess, someone found a weak state for their agenda.
$$$$$$$$ was spent
fathom wadi
its only for apps that sell over a million copies ๐ If I were Apple, I'd just stop sales at 999,999 and say "new licensing terms are per million sales" and add it on.
proud pier
Heh. Also... does f2p count as a sale anyway?
fluid bloom
@proud pier you sound disappointed
the one million limit is a bit odd though
would be nice if everyone could use whatever payment provider they want
regal pecan
"prohibits stores exceeding 1 million downloads"
proud pier
<@!98571503540400128> you sound disappointed
I just don't like corruption in my world
And when I see it in video games, it's like... tainted goods
But maybe it's always been like this since the beginning, just not as noticeable since I wasn't part of it before. /shrug
real palm
But why is this evidence of corruption in games?
tidal ivy
guess Apple and Google can just turn around and refuse to allow their devices to operate in Arizona ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
the whole state has a population not much larger then some European cities, so it's not like they'll even dent either companies income
fluid bloom
not allowing mobile phones to work in some geographical area in this day and age? Sounds pretty iffy ๐
real palm
boot sequence gotta interop with GPS 
ancient hornet
Might as well just bar Arizonians from purchasing anything on app stores
this might bring weird federal attention to the issue though
ancient hornet
By completely bypassing it, something else is going to have to happen for store ...
Apple gets their cut from the hardware already ๐
fluid bloom
that news bit seems to say that it allows developers to use their store without any fees if they're above 1 million usd ๐ค
and not just "you're free to use another store"
regal pecan
But maybe it's always been like this since the beginning, just not as noticeable...
Games are a novel industry split across different platforms, so 'corruption' varies widely. Wherever there's humans, someone is getting cheated.
fluid bloom
right
regal pecan
The interesting thing is that Apple owns the hardware and the software and the Store, yet it's not a monopoly in the context of any particular 'market' except for its own walled garden.
ancient hornet
from an app user perspective, they don't have a monipoly
from an app seller perspective, they do
regal pecan
Google owns the store, but not really the software and definitely not the hardware, while it has so much more of the market in population, but not value.
zinc matrix
30% cut is very high.
In markets with far healthier competition, you see platform rates closer to 3%.
fathom wadi
It's only high since Epic set the new bar. Before then it was standard for this industry. But it was long overdue for competition to step up and make a race condition. Especially when they have their own open source platform that welcomes all who would fairly trade.
why I said open source I dunno. I meant something else.
an open platform, not open source
zinc matrix
There's so much nuance, because there's the whole issue of anti-competitive market players, and the philosophy of human-computer interaction (as in we deserve more than a couple walled gardens of choice)....
But more to the point with Epic, they didn't find their success on Apple's platform and try to evade their (very high) platform tax โ they earned it on their own, and simply want to bring their product to the mobile market, which happens to be ran by a duopoly.
I personally think that until we have free and open alternatives to Apple and Google hardware, (perhaps RISC-V open CPU architectures, and PinePhone mobile linux based hardware,) these lines will continue to blur. In other words, I should be able to buy a generic non-walled garden high end smart phone, set my own policies, and use whatever software I want.
Really cool project, but seemingly so far from widespread adoption.
foggy path
The only way that'd reach widespread adoption is if it had a similarly integrated system as google and apple provide :P
or integration with android as an option I guess..
zinc matrix
Well, it means we need better free and open source software stewardshipโฆ such that a non-walled garden ecosystem could thrive, and offer similar richness.
fathom wadi
I've tweeted the same thing at Tim Sweeney a couple of times. I'd buy an ethical phone from Epic. And let's face it, a third player in this market would be beneficial to gamers and Epic as a corp.
zinc matrix
That'd be a power move for sure!
regal pecan
How much of android is constrained by Google?
foggy path
it's a bit of an app problem since all the apps that people want are on android and ios, if they can bring at least the most important ones to a new platform it does stand a chance assuming it's easy to use
fathom wadi
"Check out the latest gaming model with hardware designed and developed for Fortnite". Sold out
regal pecan
Mining phones....
fathom wadi
solar powered mining phones
zinc matrix
I think what we need are protocols and standards, such that software from unknown vendors can still interoperate
And someway to protect from bad actors targeting open source software
fathom wadi
it's just 2 or 3 levels of competition away from being wide open tbh.
I mean, Google and Apple don't dominate everywhere in the world either
regal pecan
If you could swap out an android OS for something else, maybe.
fathom wadi
is android the issue? Do they dream of ... wait no.
foggy path
you used to be able to run Ubuntu on a WebOS device many years ago, of course WebOS went the way of the dodo
zinc matrix
Blender is a wonderful example of free and open software rivaling the incumbents, but it's more the exception than the rule.
foggy path
took them ages to get the UI sorted to a point where it wasn't terrible
regal pecan
Plus, smartphones are an interesting niche case. The IBM PC was lower performance, but just enough to be worth it while being vastly cheaper. With plan-subsidized phones, I'm not sure that gap exists with phones.
zinc matrix
Exactly, it wasn't sexy for most of its life... as can be said of most open source software lol.
Sounds like we need more designers in open source!
fathom wadi
I've done a few of those
wait... altitude. Thought it said aptitude
good timing
it's a bit loud
regal pecan
spoosh?
fathom wadi
is it virtual production ? That emitter looked like it bugged out
regal pecan
Not sure if this is meant to capture sound or vibration.
fathom wadi
I want to know how the camera boom guy kept up to normalise the volume ยฌ_ยฌ
zinc matrix
It's just a really long boom
fathom wadi
I swear I got this effect on the marketplace
zinc matrix
So fucking cool
regal pecan
Um, sure, yes, absolutely.
median wraith
so what happened the rocked landed ?
fathom wadi
yeah
regal pecan
Controlled landing, successful touchdown, no unexpected explosions. No debris. No bird strikes.
fathom wadi
even mined a few doge coins on the way up
median wraith
thats good, it seems like they had to control a fire there
regal pecan
I think that's just unignited fuel spewed out when the motor turns off. Or the hamster getting incinerated.
solar nebula
The fire is fine
fathom wadi
yeah looked like it when it turned of the two boosters
solar nebula
The fire is unburnt fuel due to how engines shut down
They can't just stop thrusting or the hydraulic processes inside will explode them
The engines have to wind down smoothly, so a certain portion of unburnt propellant gets ejected
median wraith
I want to know that people build one rocket per week ?
solar nebula
The engines keep spewing out gas way after they shut down, but they replace the propellants with inert nitrogen instead
fathom wadi
if I had the money, I'd install a space platform with a skyhook that lifts things from space. Then charge 30%
ยฌ_ยฌ
regal pecan
It's space, you can get away with 90%.
fathom wadi
you're hired.
spare glade
Well i guess they dont need to disassemble it on the pad now...
lol
Yes haha
Unexpended fuel probably caught fire
fathom wadi
I wonder if they would apply a rig to capture the ship which it would home in on.
fathom wadi
yeah it's a tax write off and insurance scam
median wraith
#MarkedAsFixed
regal pecan
RIP
spare glade
Id say when it hit the pad on that side it must have created a leak.
median wraith
The fire is fine
hey you told me that was fine
I won't hire you now as my personal medic
๐ค
fathom wadi
it was obviously terrorists. I saw a minivan driving away
solar nebula
hey you told me that was fine
The fire was fine. The fuel leaking out wasn't fine. ๐
median wraith
:p
regal pecan
Obviously there was not enough fire.
solar nebula
There is always a fire after engine shutdown, there is a reason the nitrogen venting is a thing
It prevents this stuff from happening under normal non-leaking conditions
regal pecan
It landed successfully.
broken sigil
lol there has to be an explosion in their tests, even after the successful landing
humble remnant
Almost recovered
fathom wadi
Right I'm done. Im gonna play some games and pretend I know nothing about game dev. https://modelbuilder.game/
regal pecan
I'm not rocket scientist-y enough to comment on their starship leaning a bit. If they told me they blew it up because it was too dangerous to defuel, I'd believe them.
spare glade
Id say the lean is a result of the soft landing, which probably also caused a fuel leak due to some loss of structural integrity of the tank that then ignited.
solar nebula
There was a little bounce so it had too much vertical speed
soft night
the fire was there when it was landing
regal pecan
I thought the white 'steam' was from coolant. Could that have been fuel?
pearl elk
lol wtf
I like how SpaceX cut off that last bit
explosion, what explosion... all I saw was a successful mission ๐
regal pecan
Just celebratory fireworks.
fluid bloom
fluid bloom
who wants to move to Helsinki anyway ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pfffft pfpfptpfptpfpt
median wraith
Mmm I had an idea yesterday but I need a lot of polycount for such thing, but hopefully as ue5 can handle absurd polycounts let's wait for it ๐
rose edge
In fear of sparking a fierce debate, does anyone have any additional info on the frogwares vs Nacon situation? Polygon linked to the Nacon homepages AS A SOURCE in this, so they are useless as well. Frogrwares is talking about how you can use an Epic Unreal Engine encryption, but I have never seen that. Does that exist?
median wraith
Idk the only I know their game were pulled of from steam like 1 year ago
rose edge
I bought it on steam yesterday.
median wraith
And they uploaded it back a week ago without the dev consent
median wraith
And were removed
rose edge
DMCAed
median wraith
About the epic encryption
Back in the days we managed to decompile Fortnite
So epic added a encryption system
Anyway that goes nowhere as the keys are stored inside from what I know so
rose edge
Oh, it is relatively new then.
median wraith
Yeah is there from no more than 2-3 years ago
You cannot protect the files at all in any game tbh
ancient hornet
you can make it inconvenient at most
soft night
you can also go like dont trust the client mindset right
tidal ivy
people in the modding community have already worked out how to extract the keys, so it's pretty useless
light spruce
Never trust the client.
It's as true for networking as it is for professional relationships
soft night
Client you trust your all
light spruce
Trust no one; never answer the phone
soft night
if you cant trust your self right?
light spruce
You lie to yourself all the time; it's generally easier to tell when someone else is lying to you
humble remnant
soft night
pearl elk
godoverse
fresh heath
median wraith
Now we get even forms in Portuguese
pearl elk
if I had $100 to improve these surveys
deep glen
if it was me i wouldnt allow surveys at all
pearl elk
Should do a survey about surveys ๐
foggy path
A survey about a survey about surveys
viral vector
If you're going to put a survey in an international community, at the very least make sure it's actually in the common language of that community - i.e. English for this one
tidal ivy
it is in English
viral vector
Is it? I bailed after seeing the first line was Portuguese
loud plover
If you got a questions, and need quick answer. I can provide it: Yes!
humble remnant
Thanks, OMW to ruin my life
cursive crypt
My compressed mips generation before fixing it, kinda cool effect ๐
pearl elk
ship it
outer dagger
If you're going to put a survey in an international community, at the very least...
@viral vector the research is in portuguese and english, only the url is in portuguese, it's just a shortener to the real google form url, but thanks for the advice ๐
cursive crypt
oh... I used one... like before 15+ years ๐ค
But I know that there are some on Android
steep rapids
Stellarium is really good. When me and my dad used to look at the planets, we just used that and then went and tried to located where each planet was. Only problem is that the telescope was so wobbly we just couldn't focus on it ๐ฆ
fresh heath
fresh heath
WTF, YouTube
humble remnant
broken sigil
Lol
stiff crystal
that last one though...
I hope Word is better than Excel.. because I still get nightmares from vbs even I haven't touched that in a decade+
carmine frigate
is the free vehicle pack any good?
guess its one of the few free BP projects i might actually open
broken sigil
looks decent, it's a plugin I think
carmine frigate
no vid
broken sigil
time to yoink all free assets I'll probably never use lol