i use just 3 screens mainly for work..the rest i keep for monitoring my trades
#lounge
proud pier
Make me a human
dim ruin
You're in luck! With the new MetaHuman Creator coming soon
pearl pewter
Make me a human
Use MetaHuman
strange zodiac
wow now it doesnt take 9 months to make a human!
strange zodiac
bro i create my own auto rig scripts ..im tired
dim ruin
lol Lemon over there gonna shit
strange zodiac
@dim ruin nope..lemon got no time for noob talk lol
dim ruin
😦
strange zodiac
my automated rigging script 🤪
fluid bloom
this is pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw44rmiJ_uo
BBB movie: boobs, bods and booms
rugged canopy
wow now it doesnt take 9 months to make a human!
wait it takes you 9 months to create a character?
tulip orbit
Starting to sort thru old electronics.... found the box for my first blackberry...
time to throw that out methinks
deep glen
@fluid bloom ahh another man of culture I see. filmento ftw
fluid bloom
I'm pretty sure he's finnish
I mean, I've been wondering about that for a while now 😄
deep glen
he does have an accent that kinda sounds like one of the countries around finland for sure
deep glen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oyu1y9dN4Y
can tell they moved to UE5
zinc matrix
did not took a photo but in the last days of introducing myself to the docs of the engine I was with my computer at the floor
it really helps posture but for my knees-bicycle-based (my only vehicle) can get very bad after some days
zinc matrix
Damn, installed the Nvidia studio drivers and my machine flipped out. Computer wouldn't even turn on...
I went through each component confirming its function, and had basically reassembled the whole computer ???
Turns out, I had literally one too many USB devices plugged in.
My motherboard is old, so it wouldn't have made much sense to buy overpriced legacy components — but the Ryzen 5000 series is sold out. Similarly, if my GPU had blown, there'd be no choice but to pay 50-100% scalper markup.
Here's hoping the PC component market improves in Q2 🍻
(Ya know, just in case something does break or anyone decides to upgrade)
humble remnant
What do you mean by "one too many USBs"
How old is your PC to even have that limitation
humble remnant
median wraith
can tell you back in 4.15 in the same HDD it took 2h max
zinc matrix
How old is your PC to even have that limitation
The computer is from 2016'ish
I had all USB ports in use, one of which went to a hub
TBH first time I've ran into this issue, but I was blown away after a whole day of pouting
Getting pissed looking at $800 CPUs
And the fix was just unplug that one thing…
I think it was an SD card reader lol
humble remnant
That sounds like such a silly limitation
humble remnant
Maybe it was trying to boot from whatevs was in one of the ports
humble remnant
Weird as all hell
zinc matrix
Lol, I'm just happy I'm back up and running.
humble remnant
I thought I'm taking a risk by buying a 2010 server but some people have it worse with newer
median wraith
lol
zinc matrix
But I found a cool test using a paper clip that closed the fan circuit to confirm it was working.
zinc matrix
I thought I'm taking a risk by buying a 2010 server but some people have it wors...
How do people even buy newer right now?
The day I spent looking at the market and forums was so depressing.
humble remnant
I visited a local retailer yesterday
They had a 5950X AND a 3090 in stock
I was impressed
zinc matrix
Yeah that's a lot — I would do the 5900X and 3080 this year if it comes back into stock.
humble remnant
Tbh I'm looking for a bargain using my 1070Ti more than anything
zinc matrix
Yeah I'm on i5 6600K and 1070 rn
humble remnant
8 GB VRAM isn't enough for what I do so I've been trying to get a deal for a 1080Ti
zinc matrix
Works well enough for games, but don't ask me to compile shaders.
humble remnant
And finding a 2080Ti, nah
Yeah, I'm on a 2700 @ 4.1 GHz so it goes zooming with shaderrs
zinc matrix
Nice!
humble remnant
Tbh it's the old PC of my friend who upgraded to a 3900X/2080Ti last year
I just snagged CPU/case/PSU/GPU/mobo for cheap
zinc matrix
That's smart.
zinc matrix
Haha, well that sort of thinking is great in the long run.
I just like to splurge on my toys, if I can.
zinc matrix
So you're running your own web server, for what?
humble remnant
Just anything
I have a small case and mATX, so it has rather few ports
It's my storage server, pretty much everything big is loaded through a network attached HDD
zinc matrix
That's cool, I imagine the energy bill isn't very much.
humble remnant
And also other servers, like Minecraft for my friends or even compiling alongside my main PC
Makes things really fast
Engine rebuild goes from 40~50 minutes down to 30 with it enabled
zinc matrix
You have experience as sysadmin I imagine, got all the linux commands on demand? 😛
humble remnant
Both are running Windows 10 
humble remnant
Server came with a key installed for 10 Pro and I just rolled with it
solar nebula
Is 128 GB RAM enough for playing minecraft
zinc matrix
Right
humble remnant
And I fit in a GPU I snagged for free, nothing special, but it runs light games like CSGO/League/etc
Hell, if my 2700 dies, I can easiily fit the 1070Ti in the server and go on
zinc matrix
I like the idea of a second, weaker computer.
humble remnant
It's really useful to have a server that you just use to run things always
zinc matrix
TBH I was thinking of keeping this one as a "test rig," and go beefy on a main computer.
And only have my game launcher installed haha.
humble remnant
No slowdown to your main PC, and also if it's decent enough you can use it as a "low end machine" for testing your project
Mine certainly worked for that
zinc matrix
How are you delegating tasks over the network?
humble remnant
Fastbuild, Swarm
zinc matrix
Oh okay
humble remnant
Swarm is for map lighting builds, when you set it up, speeds that up too
Tho I need to try GPU swarm, the 1070Ti might be blazing fast and I won't need to network it
zinc matrix
I tried GPU lightmass, but I need an RTX I think for it
It kept crashing my UE with the 1070
humble remnant
Also side note, I bought 2 additional 2.5 Gbps network adapters, and that's how I connect between main PC and server
There's barely any slowdown when accessing games from the server HDD too which is nice
zinc matrix
I imagine the slow down would be disk I/O
zinc matrix
Swarm is easily configured to employ computers on the network?
humble remnant
But I love that machine, it's cost me like 350 EUR total, but is safely solid
Yeah, there's UE docs on it
zinc matrix
I wonder what the performance difference is for a remote server
My main expertise is web development, so I'm used to cloud services
humble remnant
I avoid web when I can
To access my server I just swap the monitor's source and move my mouse to the right
I use Multiplicity, snagged it for pennies from Humble Bundle some time ago
zinc matrix
Right, I have a dual computer setup like that but with a Mac
😛
I bet the cloud costs would be noticeable though, running something like a swarm agent
Also, I don't think the low end machines have GPUs....
humble remnant
No idea tbh, I don't have the money to go cloud juet yet
It'll be needed with my project but I'm not sweating about it
zinc matrix
Well, a lot of cloud stuff is free if you're just hosting
But as soon as it gets into "compute" territory, it adds up by the hour
Multiplicity runs on both computers?
humble remnant
Yeah, you configure one as primary and one as secondary
zinc matrix
I swap from DP to HDMI, and hit a USB switch to change computers
humble remnant
But the useful part is that once mouse is out of the primary computer, all input goes to the respective secondary
zinc matrix
No software involved, but I've been curious.
humble remnant
Pretty much the same for me
I wish there was a software solution where I go into a monitor control panel and just swap the source there
But alas, Philips' doesn't support that
zinc matrix
Haha, I guess if a monitor manufacturer exposes that through drivers
You could change sources from the OS
Not my domain though, I'm still a novice systems programmer
I thought about trying to explore authoring drivers, in order to create virtual sound devices for manual routing
I have an audio interface with 6 inputs, and 5 and 6 are my piano… I thought it'd be cool to figure out how to route those outputs to my main audio device
So I could hear it without having to monitor directly
humble remnant
I use Virtual Audio Cable
Cheap, splits my sources for things like OBS, good enough for me
humble remnant
Oof
zinc matrix
I found one for mac that's $99 😦
humble remnant
I don't think I've touched a Mac in my life
zinc matrix
Could damn near buy a hardware solution for that
humble remnant
I haven't touched Linux all that much either
zinc matrix
Mac is *NIX based, so it's very compatible with web technologies (since most of the web is Linux powered)
So when you jump into terminal, it's basically the same environment as your server
Whereas Windows is all MS proprietary land
Mac is far superior for web development for that reason, unless you insist on using .NET for everything
humble remnant
You seem to have forgotten my server is Win 10 too 
humble remnant
But I'm far from a Web developer
zinc matrix
Meh, it's better than it used to be
browsers are far more consistent
But UE is more fun 🙂
humble remnant
Hell, I'm disgusted by it due to trauma from school nearly 15 years ago
zinc matrix
I just wretched when you said Java
I think the web industry is solid to work in
And technology wise it's improving very quickly
But I mean
You can only do so much JavaScript
humble remnant
Sure is, but I have coming close to 20 years in UE now and I still have over a year on my contract
zinc matrix
Yeah see you got some professional ties to game development — I'm not that bold.
I got started with Unity back in 2016, and then switched to UE around 2019
humble remnant
Professional ties that may be going to hell but that's a story for another day
zinc matrix
I love it, but would not make it my job.
humble remnant
Let's just say that Rona isn't killing only people and my portfolio is being left with years of experience but nothing to back it up
zinc matrix
Yeah, I run into that issue too
It's a separate skill maintaining a portfolio, writing case studies, etc.
humble remnant
Tbh I've been slowly moving to being a game designer more than anything
But the industry is incredibly stagnated outside of indies
zinc matrix
You interested in indie, or shifting org responsibilities?
humble remnant
I have a personal project that I'd call flexible
Started as a MOBA, ended up being the most modular game framework I've seen since Unreal 1
zinc matrix
I love MOBA.
humble remnant
But it's far from release for now
zinc matrix
I played the shit out of DOTA, the genesis
And at least tried every incarnation since
It's fun to make reusable systems
So I can understand how you ended up there
humble remnant
Mine started as a Paragon clone but then I realized there's too many of those out there already and shifted focus
Under the hood the references are still MOBA names but I've taken serious drastic diversions to be different not just from other clones but also standards in the genre too
It's quite fun to think up systems where the only factor is what you yourself set
zinc matrix
Fuck yeah, ownership and creative carte blanche
I have no idea what the industry looks for, but I'd be surprised if "doing what you want" isn't ultimately the right path
humble remnant
I'm a game designer with hella strong opinions
But also for a reason because Paragon shut down and I don't want any of the clones to fail for similar reasons
zinc matrix
Well, I played Paragon… and it didn't nail the game feel.
It relied too heavily on the "gimmick" of being 3rd person.
Instead of actually being awesome moment to moment.
I don't think that format is fundamentally flawed, and rather than fix it, they doubled down on Fortnite.
You've probably spent plenty of time thinking about this though.
humble remnant
I'd rather take the game shut down with assets free than it being on life support for eternity
But the game was full of cursed design
zinc matrix
I'm a big believer in greyboxing for as long as possible
And having a fun greybox prototype
humble remnant
There's maybe 10% of the kits that you can salvage without completely reworking in my opinion and the rest are absolutely cursed
zinc matrix
I think they went way too far into the art and "idea of 3rd person" without making sure it was fun
humble remnant
Thing is, what even makes a MOBA fun
What keeps people coming
And the answer is: PvP interaction, proving you're better than your opponent
For Paragon, this was incredibly hard to achieve
And the kits didn't have any depth to them apart from the 10% I mentioned
zinc matrix
I think some of that comes down to control scheme. 1st/3rd person tends to rely on cursor aim/accuracy, whereas classical MOBA employs RTS mechanics.
I think the latter is why it's so competitive and fun, because there's a skill floor that works well for beginners
But the skill ceiling is so high, especially with hero builds
humble remnant
But it's mostly micro play that's actually fun in the game
zinc matrix
Did you ever play much Heroes of the Storm?
humble remnant
Being ganked into a 1v2, getting a kill and running away
zinc matrix
(Blizzard's MOBA entry)
humble remnant
A bit
zinc matrix
They took Star Craft 2 engine, and made a MOBA
humble remnant
Like 50 games total or something
zinc matrix
Some of the design choices may have offended purists of the genre
But jesus they nailed the game feel
zinc matrix
I love that game, and am still sore that it spoiled.
humble remnant
I mostly took notes from League, DotA, Paragon and arena shooters when it comes to nailing the design
zinc matrix
Yeah, I think DOTA is a tough example because the learning curve is insane… and the itemization makes it so impenetrable to newbies.
Like, last hitting and denying creeps, buying the right things, in the right order
And mistakes just empower the enemy team
I like League because it softened some of that
humble remnant
Arena shooters because PvP interaction mostly, but also because my first alpha is planned to be Deathmatch only since all my systems are self-made from scratch
zinc matrix
So you really like the idea of either 1st or 3rd person mechanics
humble remnant
Yeah, I'm looking for simplicity with depth
zinc matrix
But MOBA game format?
humble remnant
Pretty much
zinc matrix
I think character skills play a much bigger role in MOBAs rather than "skill"
zinc matrix
character skill, like their ability kit?
humble remnant
I call them "abilities"
zinc matrix
knowing how to select a character accord and buying the good items makes you in a huge leap beyond a noob
humble remnant
Yeah
zinc matrix
character skill, like their ability kit?
yes
humble remnant
Absolutely, but also the execution of said character
You can get the right build but it won't matter if your execution is poor
zinc matrix
Like, stacking life steal on a character with high attack speed and a survival kit
Those sort of compound effects that noobs miss out on
zinc matrix
You can get the right build but it won't matter if your execution is poor
and if the character does not have aim skills?
humble remnant
In my design I've reworked lifesteal/combat healing
zinc matrix
I think a fair MOBA would have the skill set for all characters
humble remnant
So I'm avoiding sort of drain tanks or a healing creep
zinc matrix
You mean everyone starts with the same hero?
humble remnant
I'm reserving no aim abilities to melee heroes
zinc matrix
Like, a base hero class that can be customized through talents and items over the match?
like racing... I can not understand the fame it gets, like F1... the people on the front always have the best machines
humble remnant
Apart from mobility or game-changing stuff like stuns
zinc matrix
You mean everyone starts with the same hero?
yeah, like shooters for example, they are all equal, at least in mostly
there is a said inside the League of Legends community: Riot have their favorites
zinc matrix
I'm reserving no aim abilities to melee heroes
Do you have base classes/roles?
Like, melee, ranged, caster?
humble remnant
I do indeed
zinc matrix
I used to play and at my final stages; I was playing with different characters every time, only following the META as a position in lanes but not following the guidelines of characters for a given season; I lost so many games...
LOL!
That sorta sucks
I think creativity should be encouraged, not squeezed out by meta.
humble remnant
I separate them into:
Bruiser, Assassin, Carry, Mages, Supports
And then balance according to what positions I want to stick them in
Do note the lack of tank or that you may name characters from other games that fit inbetween
And that's by design
zinc matrix
It's worth mentioning that some of these games we're referencing we're intended to be eSports....
Which I think imposes its fair share of restrictions on design.
humble remnant
Absolutely
But there's also the moments of "Faker, what was that???"
And those are the moments my design strives to achieve in every game
zinc matrix
I'm tickled that we were both deeply inspired by MOBA, but in such different ways
humble remnant
PvP for fun, the rest comes naturally
If people want to make it competitive, so be it
I'm focusing on making it fun first and foremost
zinc matrix
I fell in love with the control scheme, the hero-focused RTS mechanics — whereas you seem to drawn to the competitive format.
Like, I want a Diablo that doesn't have a fixed camera with hero always in the center… I want the RTS movement/aiming mechanics.
So I spend my time exploring camera systems
but then you can spoil a lot of key plays if the game is single-player
Yeah, I definitely want multiplayer
At least co-op.
humble remnant
Somewhat of a side note, my initial systems actually supported both top down and 3rd person view modes simultaneously
zinc matrix
I thought about doing a camera that you have the option to move freely the camera, up to the point that you can go to the other side of the map and click to the character goes there and, and you just wait it arrives to talk to some NPC 😄
I find top down games are either fixed camera ARPG like Diablo, or slower sometimes turn-based RPGs like Divinity or Baulder's Gate
Where is the middle ground?!
humble remnant
Design the middle ground and I'll consider it
zinc matrix
Check out my prototype
I'm trying to find a hybrid where the camera only follows as you get closer to the screen edge
(there are few decals for debugging)
zinc matrix
💙
humble remnant
I'll see if my top down implementation even works
But I'm working with verticality so tough cookie to make it work
Much more so with fog of war
zinc matrix
yeah I noticed all top downs are basically flat terrain
or they have ladders…
to another flat terrain lol
humble remnant
Warcraft 3 is just a cake of flat
There was this old game that went open source
Warzone 2100?
I think it was that
zinc matrix
WC3 was magic, go on
humble remnant
It has proper verticality in it and shots missed if you fired from too high to too low
zinc matrix
I think elevation should play a role in RTS games if climbing it cost resources, or stamina... something that needs to be considered
humble remnant
Or in the case of a MOBA, casting an ability
zinc matrix
because climbing in real life, is a pain sometimes
humble remnant
Therefore a cooldown and mana cost
humble remnant
Not a bonus
zinc matrix
or even oxygen retention...
zinc matrix
well, some character can have advantage by being a highlander
or some type of skill based on altitude
humble remnant
Absolutely and my design sorta tackles that
Tbh nothing is perfect so I'm focusing on aggressiveness winning majority of the times
zinc matrix
Grabbed a screenie of Warzone 2100
like a summoned rock that more it rolls and faster, bigger and damaging it gets
It really does have verticality
"lumpy ground" as I call it lol
I bet that it just comestic
humble remnant
Good game BTW, customizable units, actually really fun
And no, it really affects battles
humble remnant
It's open source so you can grab it right now
zinc matrix
I do not consume anything related to violence... :/
humble remnant
Has both bots and multiplayer on top of a campaign, so feel free to give it a go
zinc matrix
what are your thoughts about an open-source game?
I can't speak about games specifically, but I have commercially licensed open source web libraries
And I don't recommend it if you want revenue
humble remnant
Less profit, more control by the user, more danger of hacking, less competitive
zinc matrix
Yeah, less profit haha.
I am taking this year, full-time to develop my game and it will be completely free... I wanted to make it open but there 2 blocks; one is Unreal itself and the other is the possibility of someone adding violence (which I tend to avoid completely in my life)
Good point about hacking though, that's not something I've had to think about but for games absolutely.
@zinc matrix If you want to make it free, no problem with that. I'd still consider adding some optional/cosmetic assets players could purchase to support you.
It's nice to have a revenue stream to support something you and a community care about.
humble remnant
I've enabled mod support for my project, but at least through my custom systems it's rather hard to hack for now
zinc matrix
<@456226577798135808> If you want to make it free, no problem with that. I'd sti...
well, if it will worth of a penny, I will ask for donations
humble remnant
Hell, even the projectiles are custom, so that eliminates some possibilities
zinc matrix
@humble remnant I take it you're practiced with UE multiplayer system?
humble remnant
A lot
zinc matrix
Do you agree I should get multiplayer going as soon as possible if I intend the game to be multiplayer?
humble remnant
Leave your systems open to enable it
And follow standards
Inputs in player controller, send to pawn on server side, which then performs actions
zinc matrix
Hmm
I've studied the basics of replication
But I'm still pretty new to developing with UE
local multiplayer does need to follow this guidelines? @humble remnant
humble remnant
Slap everything clientside inside the PC and hope for the best
zinc matrix
But I'm still pretty new to developing with UE
did you followed any tutorial to make you character movement?
humble remnant
I haven't delved into splitscreen so I can't help there
zinc matrix
I haven't delved into splitscreen so I can't help there
not splitscreen, but 2 players at the same screen
zinc matrix
did you followed any tutorial to make you character movement?
I have two tutorials — one is https://www.udemy.com/course/unrealengine-cpp/ and the other is just for C++ https://www.udemy.com/course/beginning-c-plus-plus-programming/
The prototype I shared earlier I started with the top down template, and made some edits (mostly to the camera)
I just grabbed the character and animations from mixamo.com
humble remnant
But... That's splitscreen?
Or do you mean separate processes
For separate processes, follow regular multiplayer guides
zinc matrix
my game is set on a top-down perspective (can I call it isometric if it is 3d?) and I mean plugging 2 controllers and controlling two characters
humble remnant
That pretty much fits into splitscreen mechanics
Just the same camera instead of 2 separate
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix I like this game, "Wizard of Legend"
It's local multiplayer for 2-players
1 camera
(that gif shows them dueling, but it's co-op)
cool aesthetic
sorry for violence 😛
It was a kickstarter game, very fun
if was not for light and elevation I would follow 2d
humble remnant
Aight, I'll dip for a while, been a pleasure talking
zinc matrix
sorry for violence 😛
hahaha I am not a purist completely... this is a new concept for me, 1 year following this "ethic" guideline until now
yeah likewise, take care @humble remnant
OH wait, I came here for a resason
If I could upgrade an organ function on you, would you choose an hybrid of organic and tech organ or a completely tech organ?
I think biological systems (wetware) are incredible, one feature they have over technology (hardware) is the ability to heal.
So I don't want to give up my wetware.
nice
thanks for the insight
np!
"Where biological components and systems are treated in a similar manner to software"
would not be better if we think software thinking in similar manner to biological bits?
well maybe not, our brain is not that awesome machine and cost a lot of calories
I mean, comparing to a computer at least, inside the mathematical bubble
hahaha a noob expunging wetware tech logic from the knowledge it got reading 3 lines on wikipedia
solar nebula
If I could upgrade an organ function on you, would you choose an hybrid of organ...
I would upgrade my toes
Make them cybernetic toes
zinc matrix
have any thoughts about organic tech? 👽
solar nebula
So they can shoot nails out like guns
Any time I would be in a bad situation, I'd just sprawl out my toes and shoot all the enemies with my nails
pearl elk
zinc matrix
and the treats, like meteorites and natural disasters are handled by secure buildings and AI
solar nebula
I want to be a living building
pearl elk
I think they call that a castle
zinc matrix
you can get transferred to a server but then you will not be able to bike around
...
consciousness without a body limitation feels so boring
pearl elk
consciousness without a body limitation sounds like a psychosis
zinc matrix
stephen hawking was an awesome human
zinc matrix
well, consciousness is dictated by hormones anyway
hehehe
setting parameter of serotonin by 9000% makes you laugh in the void at a distance of 500 units
solar nebula
consciousness without a body limitation feels so boring
Whaaaa
I have a completely opposite view
I'm not a physical person and I hate having a body
I wish I could exist as pure energy
pearl elk
Maybe you do but the energy needs a body 🙂
solar nebula
Maybe you do but the energy needs a body 🙂
No it doesn't
Just needs a medium in which it can exist
pearl elk
there are no holidays in the void, you must work till the last drop of energy is depleted
solar nebula
I want to be a chaotic self-sustaining energy vortex
zinc matrix
No it doesn't
organised like ours? yes it needs..
solar nebula
NATIONAL UMBRELLA DAY – FEBRUARY 10, 2021
zinc matrix
imagine creating a big brain that draws the entire energy of the sun in 2 days
solar nebula
Imagine being a sun
solar nebula
Imagine if the sun wanted to make games in unreal engine
And they were kinda shitty but we have to cheer the sun up or else it'll go dark
zinc matrix
git up, git out
solar nebula
And the sun is clearly not artistic enough to do anything, but god are they trying
zinc matrix
we created the brain, so there is an artistic vein
mossy nexus
https://tenor.com/view/death-bergman-seventhseal-seventh-seal-gif-18722828
That's a great film.
zinc matrix
we using the sun just for energy purposes
zinc matrix
That's a great film.
. 🙂
pearl elk
hey dont blame the lounge, blame the sitters 😛
zinc matrix
I was thinking in the Outkast music, called "git up, git out"
typing is a good practice to expose and retain ideas
mossy nexus
Who are you? The real ponkkis knows the lounge has never been not weird!!
zinc matrix
how about diminishing brain processing capacity and let AI do it for us
so we would not consume like 20% of energy with it
mossy nexus
Don't think you interrupted anything - Veni. Et resedit. Et ex AF sensuum canitie.
zinc matrix
how I hate the idea of putting a kid in the world
solar nebula
I wish I could produce enough kids to make them reach all the way to the moons of Saturn 😄
zinc matrix
however if I have the $ I will create a good tribe with adopted ones
Sometimes I let my kids toboggan pipes
but they are kind of incomplete
omg that is disturbing
HAHAHAHAHA
Do the normals fits the light system on Unreal?
solar nebula
What do you mean "fit the light" lol
zinc matrix
I do know but it feels that the brow would not work right in static light
the map seems wrong
solar nebula
They plugged it into crazybump without changing any settings, so yeah
It would be all funny
zinc matrix
by the way
if that kid is recent, she is probably good
family nowadays is a diverse concept
like having a group of people who work together in games
and live together
bla bla bla
sharp kernel
I'm not even sure if this is the right channel lol, but um so for those of you who have used UDN, were you satisfied with the support?
solar nebula
No
Yes no
Yes they did answer the question
No, the turnaround time was 1-2 days
Yes the answer was helpful
No, I already figured it out myself, since spending 3-6 hours on it was less than waiting 1 day
So the final answer is "it depends on your studio's capabilities, if you have staff who can work with the engine source code or no"
sharp kernel
Thx for your input BlackFox 🍷
Do you (or anyone else) know if Epic makes UDN available to solo devs?
solar nebula
If you license the engine, yes
dense atlas
pulling apart metahumans
it's great, also doesn't help me directly too much because I want to allow players custom modular characters]
the approach is interesting, morphs and wrinkle maps are hard
cloud baking is a prob
I knew this was coming when they bought 3Lateral, I kind of dreamed it would be a more runtime solution
solar nebula
Cloud baking makes it basically useless if you have any serious workflow :<
dense atlas
I see why because of the detail in textures, wrinkle maps, lots of things
solar nebula
There is no technical reason for it being in the cloud
The decision to put it on the cloud is purely organizational
dense atlas
at the same time I think it's possible to do it runtime and get something more useable
well looking at the skeleton joints and topology it looks like you can share things
it's just not what I hoped for, going to be hard to jump into, yet so much better than what I rolled myself
I tried to jump into sequencer and how it's triggering the FACs morphs but it's crashing on Linux
spent so long on characters, have high standards, would be happy to have someone present something to switch to..
it seems even very inefficient in the case of running crowd sims, so many skeletal meshes
when the LOD setup is so great
rare sparrow
Free to use with Unreal Engine
https://twitter.com/HighlySpammable/status/1359667937448132610
dense atlas
@Lewfinite
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57m
Replying to
@HighlySpammable
and
@UnrealEngine
Can you integrate it into the game so that you can use it as your rpg style character creator?```
I signed up for news anyway
keep poking around
rare sparrow
Twitter
winter zealot
it would seem very memory expensive to integrate into a game
I don't know what they plan but the thing runs on a cloud server
I think they mean "using the characters made with meta humans"
tribal geyser
This is also great
https://twitter.com/andorade/status/1359531026482139144
winter zealot
is it tho ? 😊
winter zealot
it accomplishes nothing new and makes the magic of creating characters completely trivial
the simpsons will of course like the tools a lot, " 🙂 "
zinc matrix
UE6
let your computer sit working and play the game by the end of the render time
seriously I anxious to play a game made by AI
but a proper one
when it gets to the speak level of the film HER for example
UE9 mind control
UE10 finally the atom emulation is working fine and we freed you people to work in games again
winter zealot
pfff 😊
winter zealot
no don't worry, it's not blood, it's blushing
if you hover on the icon, you can see it's written " blushes "
dense storm
or click it
zinc matrix
Cats are terrible creatures that like to scratch emoticons
winter zealot
i love to hug every emoticon while purring, also what UKaosSpectrum said
winter zealot
nom nom
zinc matrix
what a poor transparent skin UE people applied to it
zinc matrix
what is the closest scientific term for electromagnetic movement or__ wireless movement __made by energy that we have?
Ctrl + U because I can get very ignorant
dense atlas
Metahuman?
winter zealot
x4e3v i've eff all idea, electromovement ? 😄
dense atlas
his anus has wiring
zinc matrix
my creatures do not have arm and feet, even neck junction, they look like Rayman
but they do have internal organs modelled on and explanations of each function; so it should be a reasonable explanation for the floating arms and feet
winter zealot
electrokinesis ? magnetokinesis ?
positive thinking energy ? wishful thinking levitation ?
dense atlas
maglev
winter zealot
much better ^
dense atlas
##I invented it when I was 15
winter zealot
maglev sounds noice!
dense atlas
after seeing back to future 2
zinc matrix
with proper electromagnetism we can float an object?
dense atlas
yeah, no charge for you
winter zealot
there were experiments but it requires crazy amounts of energy and only work on very light metallic objects
if there are better experiments then i'm unaware of them
dense atlas
yes, why I didtched it when I was 15 and 1 month
zinc matrix
@dense atlas x4e3v dev. wants to use the name Maglev for the system name that allows Grabbers and Feet movement of creatures; however x4e3v will not pay any commission if it gets real-life money with the game. Do you allow the term usage? Type Y if yes or N if no.
dense atlas
Yes @zinc matrix I totally allow this usage, problem is that's just something I said and I';;m unaware if I have such rights to proscribe to you on either an exclusive or licensed basis, please consult your lawyer
dense atlas
not in this territory, sorry, I claim all sovereign rights
zinc matrix
so I will copy a name almost equal
dense atlas
if I get a royalty, yes
zinc matrix
Meglax
winter zealot
eats popcorn and watches
zinc matrix
Anyway thanks for the name insight
do you still want to be credited inside the game?
dense atlas
yes
zinc matrix
as the name of Lexx?
dense atlas
DM where to make the check out
zinc matrix
what do you want a custom GUI or Discord server?
I am a business man before I downloaded Unreal
dense atlas
I want to talk about Metahumans..
zinc matrix
Is Lexx the credited name for the development of hover vehicles?
dense atlas
No, but I did honestly think of it after watching BTTF2...
zinc matrix
red-orange
you so keen to deal!
here is the sketch of the idea: Meglax is the organ responsible for movement. One for each Grabber and a single one at the bottom of body responsible for the foot.
This organs were responsible for the hover vehicles tech development, by Laxx.
dense atlas
will you be using Control RIg for procedural joint manipulations?
zinc matrix
Just to warn you, as I am a good lawyer, that everything that I will read about your typing here in Discord will be used to define the psychology of the creature Laxx, which is alive in the game!
dense atlas
There's some good solvers for that
zinc matrix
do you want to opinion in the organ colour?
dense atlas
Just to warn you, as I am a good lawyer, that everything that I will read about your typing here in Discord will be used to define the psychology of the creature Laxx, which is alive in the game!
that's deep bro
zinc matrix
what do you mean by "bro"?
do we have the same ancestor? O.O
I HAVE A SCIENTIST BROTHER
dense atlas
maybe, I think you're AI though and I'm glitching the matrix
zinc matrix
NO WAIT
dense atlas
zinc matrix
I have only a sister
Now I have to call my parents
ah
you changed your sex last year
that is make sense
ok I am stopping, I was no meant to hurt you 🙂
zinc matrix
this lounge is a black hole of distraction for the lone typers of internet
dense atlas
yeah the internet is good at that
zinc matrix
I think the next evolution of "lounge" is the behaviour of juice idea extraction
where you join the channel to brainstorm ideas and puff, you get some notes in the notepad
zinc matrix
ah, I do not believe that typing can chop
dense atlas
I don't believe it can macerate either
zinc matrix
at least upgrade your meta shield of brainy ideas
broken sigil
cleaned my PC today after a very long time, max CPU temps dropped from 85C to 65C 😅
humble remnant
I mounted a water cooler on my friend's 3900X today
We ran a few stress tests too
95C under load with stock, 76 with water, 70 with water and an undervolt
Solid stuff
Just an AIO but solid, Cougar Helor 240
cursive crypt
I will go back to a fan based, a fat Noctua ofc.
unborn lotus
Love my d15, but downside you have to take it off everytime, cant reach anything under it
cursive crypt
For 5 years, I opened only twice my PC 🤔 should not be a problem, I hope lol
There is a thin layer of protective dust, no dead bugs tho - an win.
unborn lotus
I do some cleaning every months. Had to take the cooler out for a new PSU, then a new ssd, now I need a bigger hdd, theres no way i can reach the sata cables underneath
cursive crypt
Hmm... Gonna extra check. Usually it is the RAM and GPU which are close enough to headbutt with the fan.
pearl elk
I opened my PC the other day to put a 6900XT in 😛
I was looking for a bigger graphics card 😛
unborn lotus
I need one too. tried to open the metahumans sample and my 1060 crashed 😆
cursive crypt
I opened my PC the other day to put a 6900XT in 😛
Your case is not so big? 🤔
Btw, how is that card behaving, I saw it had issues with Substance and few other tools.
Around, you can find anything 30xx related, but there are tons of the new AMD cards, like 6900 for example.
cursive crypt
No?
pearl elk
I kinda wanted a 3080FE but I havent seen any 3080s in stock for like what 4 months so I got the 6900XT
cursive crypt
I think it is the same class basically +/-
16 vram, not sure about the performance, but I take it near 3080
pearl elk
Im benching above some 3090s, obviously not in RT tests though
cursive crypt
RT?
pearl elk
ray tracing
cursive crypt
Ah.. yeah, that as I said up, is the biggest obstacle. Driver/technology support.
I don't think I'm using cuda/dlss for something anyway, but the rest should work well and stable.
pearl elk
its kinda like that with any new hardware, I had to wait for an update BIOS for the Smart Access Memory support
pearl elk
I think it'll be awhile until this stuff is all fully supported and yup. Ryzen 9 5950X
cursive crypt
Ah, good. That I was thinking to get now.
I considered to wait for 5960x, but the price will be 2x likely.
pearl elk
its damn fast, I can feel when software is the bottleneck
cursive crypt
Well, yeah, solo core is important too
pearl elk
Yeah I dunno, I think software is just not as good as people tend to think. Win 10 in particular I can feel it lagging
cursive crypt
As a sw dev, I can confirm 😄
zinc matrix
I want the Ryzen 5000 series, but stock is so limited here
I setup some alerts for the 5900X hopefully I can snag one soon
GPU, I have no hope lol.
Scalpers got that shit cornered.
pearl elk
GPU was more difficult for me because I didnt want to just go Nvidia out of loyalty and by the time the AMD offerings were out and reviewed its almost impossible to get Nvidia. Ryzen I knew its what I wanted and ordered at release
cursive crypt
Take 6900x, it seems mostly fine.
broken sigil
If I switched to Radeon I would miss the geforce experience, it's a nice piece of software when it works
cursive crypt
Oh... A blue man entered the chat 🤔
zinc matrix
Ah, I haven't ever installed that.
DLSS 2.0 looked really impressive when I was evaluating the tech
I heard AMD will offer something similar
cursive crypt
Uhm, not worthy I think, lol
pearl elk
Im actually liking this Radeon software so far, I was expecting far worse tbh
cursive crypt
I mean for small teams...
zinc matrix
ML assisted upsampling?
pearl elk
and with a fancy name like Radeon software how can you go wrong 😛
cursive crypt
Well, afaik, you need to work with them to analyse your game, send back stuff and forth... a hassle.
zinc matrix
Oh you mean to get DLSS compatible for your own project?
cursive crypt
Y
zinc matrix
I was just thinking as a consumer, but that's an interesting point.
cursive crypt
Ah, lol, I kinda forget there are users outside
zinc matrix
Plus, I'd need to game at 4K or it's irrelevant.
I believe Radeon's are better at 1440p
broken sigil
Oh... A blue man entered the chat 🤔
a wild blue man has appeared 😐
cursive crypt
Well, they need time to catch up with the rtx and drivers, newest Radeon at least. As I said up, some guys had problems with authoring tools.
zinc matrix
(as a developer)
I'm over here on a GTX1070, so just about anything will be a big step up.
pearl elk
must admit I havent tried substance yet but I can give it a go, that uses iray though right
cursive crypt
They recommend you roll back your drivers or something. That was like a recent thing.
pearl elk
Im still getting mobo driver updates at this point lol
pearl elk
well usually you get 1-2 years then they dont bother
cursive crypt
Ah... you mean its a fresh MB 🙂
zinc matrix
ha
cursive crypt
Whatever works, hehe... Its like assembling cars
pearl elk
not a fan of this nahimic audio though, but it could be more of a win10 issue
zinc matrix
On the topic of multithreaded CPUs and stuff, I heard the C++ linker is single threaded
cursive crypt
Just get an external dac and don't bother anymore.
zinc matrix
Anyone know if that's still the case?
cursive crypt
Or use whatever they give anyway.
zinc matrix
I was looking at benchmarks of C++ compile times re: Ryzen 5000, and someone mentioned that in the comments
cursive crypt
Linking, that.. I can't say. Maybe look at your cpus when linking. I don't follow on VS tools so much.
zinc matrix
I think they said the latest gcc was no longer single threaded, but since we're on Windows I was curious
pearl elk
c++ linker is only a very small portion of the overall Id say especially with UE4 compiles. Infact the only thing which really pushed my CPU temps was full compile of UE4 😛
cursive crypt
Also, it shouldn't be a big deal, if you use incremental linking anyway.
zinc matrix
okay
okay cool
I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but since I'd mostly be interested in UE stuff re: the multi-core CPU, thought I'd ask.
pearl elk
shader compiles and lightmass are super fast
cursive crypt
Well, you can't find better than more cores. With zen 3 they are comparable to Intel.
*for single core perf
zinc matrix
Right, and let's be honest, I'm on a i5 6600K right now
Almost anything will be an improvement
Haha
pearl elk
yup, lagging abit on core counts there
cursive crypt
That maybe not so bad,, I'm on 6700k. I don't build UE (I don't need it), and it is okayish.
zinc matrix
I bought this before discovering the magic of game dev ;P
Yeah it's been serving me well
pearl elk
Im waiting for Epic to announce UnrealEd on Apple M1 😛
zinc matrix
Haha
pearl elk
then we can see my phone compile shaders faster than your i5 😮
cursive crypt
gpu shader compilation would be cool too
zinc matrix
I use Mac for work, so I'm definitely frothing at the mouth for that M1X 16" Pro later this year
pearl elk
theres alot of solid software out there for ARM now so I dont blame people going that route especially for work
zinc matrix
I had a moment of clarity where I was like, "why not both?
pearl elk
ARM accelerator in an x86 could be interesting 😛
zinc matrix
I don't understand all of it, it sounded like they had some sort of emulation for software written for older architectures?
And that emulation was faster than native on previous generation machines?
pearl elk
yeah Apple made a pretty solid emulator for x86 but they really only had to focus on the subset of software Macs already ran
zinc matrix
Mmmm, that makes sense.
Damn, gonna be an expensive year… M1X 16" Pro and PC upgrades 😅
Love my toys!
pearl elk
well if the emulation is good enough maybe it will run UnrealEd on ARM
not sure how the GPU performance will hold up though, AMD+Samsung with the new Exynos seem to be smashing the A14
pearl elk
Theres also the possibility of Nvidia doing a newer Tegra with tensor cores for supreme DLSS2
zinc matrix
Are you referring to potential Android architectures?
pearl elk
In Nvidias case yes
zinc matrix
Tensor core, as in like matrix math?
zinc matrix
I've been loving AMD reclaiming the throne
I found a letter from my 14yr old self (a school exercise) and I was bragging about my Thunderbolt 1.4GHz overclock
Really fun throwback, but reminded me how much of an AMD fanboy I was in my earlier enthusiast days
Again, soon...
The difference is no joke
pearl elk
Apple will probably have something newer in the works too but whether they can match it entirely
fluid bloom
rofl
the store where I ordered my 5950X received 14 of those yesterday
and they waited for over a month for those
wait what, sorry that was on 14th of january
next batch is 19th of this month and they're receiving 12 units
my position in queue: 30 to 40
😄
fluid bloom
that name always makes me think of the rpg game risen
cursive crypt
Haha, true.
I'm somehow tho annoyed that all perf parts have some teen sellings like: vengeance, raptor names, flashy rgb diodes and whatnot.
fluid bloom
yup
pearl elk
you'd prefer if they called it a Razer Rainbow Unicorn?
fluid bloom
I'm personally not into brony stuff either
stiff crystal
wonder if 3950x prices would have dropped more if 5950x had any stock
like, you can get 3950x today with like 50€ off from 5950x price but you can't get the latter
with stock available, nobody would ever even consider 3950x
zinc matrix
5000 series seems about 15 points faster in multi-threaded stuffs
But I think more in single core?
stiff crystal
I'd love to get 5950x myself at some point too as it's last update one can get to x570 mobos
stiff crystal
yes :/
stiff crystal
I mean, my 3900x is totally fine 😄 but I'm still bummed I had to settle for it because AMD couldn't ship 3950x in time
zinc matrix
Mmmm
I thought my motherboard died the other day, so I spent all day looking at upgrades
I managed to troubleshoot my PC but now I'm still thirsty
fluid bloom
so 5000 series is the last of the current socket compatible CPUs from AMD?
cursive crypt
last?
unborn lotus
supposedly yeah, and last before pcie 5 and ddr5
normal prism
Indeed
pearl elk
Kinda makes sense to go to a new socket with such large architectural changes
fluid bloom
so that would be zen 4?
stiff crystal
yes
I dunno about pcie 5 but ddr5 is likely
we barely utilize pcie 4 today, mainly get some advantages on new ssd's
don't want to even think how much 64GB of ddr5 will cost
fluid bloom
thinking of that I bought some TSMC shares in hopes of it going up during the next few years 😄
cursive crypt
tsmc?
fluid bloom
maybe I should also get samsungs since don't they make most of memory modules these days?
unborn lotus
that's a good idea
fluid bloom
tsmc is secured funding for building three new factories I think
unborn lotus
but after the pandemic, will demand for chips plummet?
fluid bloom
why would it
cursive crypt
Chips will stay 🤔
fluid bloom
soon you'll have CPUs in your shoes
stiff crystal
5950X is last on AM4
they could still come up with some refresh model like 5950XT but yeah...
cursive crypt
You think they will improve on it?
stiff crystal
no idea, but it's not that uncommon to make some refresh model later on
they didn't do it for 16c last year but did for other models
cursive crypt
It is kinda too new, maybe if they don't come up with new tech they will need for sure to upgrade the old models.
I mean that's like the 3rd iteration of their arch.
I'm kinda curious what Intel will come up with tho 🙂
stiff crystal
they seem to have dropped the ball totally
cursive crypt
They spent a lot of time on trying/researching.
unborn lotus
the new 11900k is the king again on single thread
stiff crystal
I guess game performance is only thing keeping intel relevant
cursive crypt
Yeah, Intel just lead with the know-how. I won't be surprised if they come up with a jump with their new stuff.
Anyway, we will see. No point to wait to buy a CPU tho.
unborn lotus
I would wait for next year though, these are the last processors for both lga1200 and am4
stiff crystal
the AM4 socket going away in future is unfortunate but if one looks at intels, you've usually been pretty much forced to upgrade mobo on every new generation
cursive crypt
My point was that, each year there is something better. So you gotta jump at something at some point.
stiff crystal
I was on intels for a decade before 3900x and every time I upgraded, there were like 2 cpu sockets between on the intel mobos so I could never just do cpu swap
cursive crypt
True, lol
unborn lotus
My point was that, each year there is something better. So you gotta jump at som...
that's true, except I think for when a new socket is just around the corner, especially now for amd's long lasting socket support
cursive crypt
You want to hop on the new? 🤔
unborn lotus
I would, jumped in at my 9900k and a few months later the socket was obsolete 😆
anyway I think amd is the way to go now
intel pushed like 5% improvements for years. only now they're doing 19% but only because amd is forcing them
cursive crypt
Yeah, it is very good that there is a competition.
pearl elk
Think of it this way if AMD supported this socket for so long the next one might even last longer
cursive crypt
Or they figure out working out with mb vendors and start changing them more frequently 😉
fresh heath
Twitter
cursive crypt
Ok, booked one 5950x based rig. Time to upgrade.
humble remnant
cursive crypt
Thanks man, needed to cherish myself with something. I will gift my pc to my bro in return. GPU tho, I will upgrade later ;)
deep glen
https://www.jendrikillner.com/article_database/
this is quite a database
sage ermine
holy crap
median wraith
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/10/apple-privacy-chief-slams-north-dakota-bill...
so Tim won
ancient hornet
well, with free commerce and movement of goods, the size might not matter that much
pearl elk
US common law relies on precedent set within the USA, could work in Epics favour
spiral night
spiral night
pearl elk
median wraith
xd
zinc matrix
@median wraith https://www.havetheknowhow.com/Creating-Symbolic-Links.html
You can use it to redirect folders to other hard drives
median wraith
cannot the folder be set in the settings or something ?
zinc matrix
As Plan B, if nothing else works, you can do it at OS level
median wraith
basically from about 500GB 300 are windows and their crap
ancient hornet
you can select a different folder for those I think
(for UE4 shaders and stuff)
am I right in saying that you can use those two settings to control that?
median wraith
never used these maybe could
Blender were opened at time using 12GB of disk too
so what SSD do you guys use ?
Nvme ?
normal prism
Yap
cursive crypt
nvme or die
normal prism
There's plenty of cheap ones, like Intel's 660p, but I wouldn't recommend it for professional workloads
(QLC, so not great the more space you use)
silver pawn
Lovely homies, I'd refrain a bit from using Skype if I were you. https://blog.thecybersecuritytutor.com/spoofing-and-attacking-with-skype/
See this article, for reference.
cursive crypt
(QLC, so not great the more space you use)
qlc? 🤔
cursive crypt
Ah, that was about ssd too, no? Like uhm 80% or so
normal prism
Yeah, they have speedy cache and a slow remainder
Also the more layers, the worse the durability
I mean, it's all relative
Depending on your usecase
cursive crypt
I haven't really dig into the new tech for these... sigh
median wraith
@normal prism can you name some model ?
normal prism
Had decent reviews, using this myself
Samsung was also always lauded for their SSDs
Check some comparisons/benchmarks
cursive crypt
I had to choose some new nvme... stopped on Samsung, again lol
960 evo+
or so, not the speediest, but damn, I don't need a heatsink on my nvme so it is 30% faster
For most of dev work, I don't think disk speed is a bottleneck actually.
normal prism
Indeed, crazy right?
median wraith
fringe sundial
the 980 evo+ is confirmed to be an absolute unit of an ssd
cursive crypt
Yeah, also why I didn't saw a decorated nvme with hundred rgb diodes I wonder? That a big miss /s
median wraith
Okay this is something now
median wraith
https://www.amazon.com/XPG-SX8200-Gen3x4-3000MB-ASX8200PNP-1TT-C/dp/B07K1J3C23
ty
@fringe sundial PCComponentes one ?
fringe sundial
they dont have that one
the 980 is fairly hard to find
but its like 2x faster vs the 970
and the 970 is already a gloriously fast nvme
980 is so fast that windows botlenecks it significantly
in fact, thats a big problem
we have reached a point where SSDs are so fast that the OS cant handle it
cursive crypt
I will stick with 970 I think (just saw I mistook my config), interestingly the store had 980, but I didn't saw a need for such speed. Better twice the storage than 30-40% speed.
fringe sundial
thats why the PS5 and xbox get such value from the ssds
they can actually use them properly
PCs cant
windows bottlenecks
normal prism
Also dedicated hardware right?
fringe sundial
its more of an OS thing
cursive crypt
That direct streaming
fringe sundial
the hardware is cool but its just a part
the thing is the OS
essentialy, the new consoles have async copypasta calls
that go through a command buffer
normal prism
The presentation that Sony gave showed they also had extra hardware. More lanes, dedicated compression hardware, etc.
fringe sundial
so if you want to load 100 files
or 100 chunks
you make a command buffer
for the 100 memcopy calls
and then send that to the OS
and the OS makes sure to execute that at full throttle
meanwhile in normal PCs with normal apis
you need to do it 1 by one
and wait for full roundtrip
one by one
in linux there is some io-uring stuff that actually can do full-power nvmes
but in windows there is nothing
for now
normal prism
Time for us to get those new toys too then 😄
fringe sundial
windows file apis are blocking
when you do open(file) it waits until file is opened and gets copied into memory
plus each individual call has to go trough multiple OS stuffs
cursive crypt
You can always implement a driver I guess 🤷♂️
fringe sundial
yes you can
and if you do that nvme just flies
you have no idea how bottlenecked nvmes are by windows
cursive crypt
Ain't someone playing with that? 🤔
fringe sundial
yes
servers
and database vendors
who use linux
and write their own nvme drivers specially to work on that server on that database
cursive crypt
Nothing public?
cursive crypt
Yeah, it will take time.. give it few years.