I'm not attacking you, this is what you literally said
#lounge
merry ermine
days before the lockdown
zinc matrix
you said it doesn't work
proud pier
I think eventually, we'll build some immunities to it, especially once we get mass vaccinations nationwide ramped up
foggy path
Sweden tried the "let's not do anything" approach and they basically got fucked over :P
zinc matrix
they didnt get fucked over, they have teh same numbers now as we do
or a similar curve atleast
proud pier
foggy path
Sweden has twice the population of Finland
zinc matrix
in NL
proud pier
Anyway, every country had the same issue, Nov-Dec, the holidays... people thought it was cool not to practice social distancing
foggy path
I think they got fucked over.
merry ermine
Sweden's numbers are like 10 times worse than any other similar Nordic country
foggy path
it's the same in Finland
merry ermine
only difference is their approach to COVID (no lockdowns)
foggy path
we also have winter and flu season :P
zinc matrix
do people still get the flu btw, or is that just gone now
social distancing is literally written into the culture of sweden
proud pier
Flu? COVID ate the Flu I thought? /s
merry ermine
people still do get the flu, you know what is funny, the lockdown started and I was required to go into work and interview someone (this was before govt mandated lockdown, so this was work manadated lockdown). I did not get COVID, but I got the dang flu from the interview
zinc matrix
there's nothing same about netherlands and sweden
merry ermine
who comes to the interview with the flu!
zinc matrix
you know you love me @zinc matrix
merry ermine
since then I have not gotten sick because I stay at home for the most part
proud pier
that's like saying masks don't work
Well, they only work in precise conditions. But most people protect their foreheads or beards with them....so
proud pier
Anyway, who cares about COVID, that shit was 2020 old news
zinc matrix
putting someones underwear on your chin wont get you very far
proud pier
Anything else more current and fun?
fathom wadi
foggy path
dogecoin is going at nearly 0.08
tulip orbit
putting someones underwear on your chin wont get you very far
it will if she's still wearing it 😉
foggy path
lol
proud pier
Anyone plays any cool games that released this year?
zinc matrix
it will if she's still wearing it 😉
we might agree there, yes
fathom wadi
It Lurks Below was the one that really made my gamedev head turn.
zinc matrix
this whole conversation was basically me shaking my head the entire time, the amount of mental gymnastics present here would've won the olympics hands down
real eye opener
tulip orbit
jeebus. windchill of -40c right now 😦
zinc matrix
you're welcome @zinc matrix
fathom wadi
yeah I just made coffee and its half cold before I got back from the kitchen
zinc matrix
so, other subject. unreal, photorealistic animations, are we there yet?
I dont think so..
foggy path
@zinc matrix yeah a friend of mine basically made all these same arguments and his "sources" for all this was some really dubious looking websites and videos that looked like they'd been filmed in a russian classroom lol
zinc matrix
any @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
well there is realistic enough and realistic
zinc matrix
every vid I see still has a bit of that 'game' feel
broken sigil
glad that convo is over... sooo how's the weather 😐
zinc matrix
could be the camera movements too though
zinc matrix
*glad that convo is over...* sooo how's the weather 😐
😄
merry ermine
15 degrees outside with no wind, perfect walking weather
zinc matrix
*glad that convo is over...* sooo how's the weather 😐
about to become -25 in 3 days
can't complain
merry ermine
think I might need to take another walk to get the past hour out of my head
fathom wadi
framerate can decide that. 24fps anims you can get away with interpolation that is fine. Better anims needs more physics approach and higher framerates to fill in the gaps. And a physics engine that's good enough. So if you have the money and time, you can get it right. Even if you have to go down the AI video analysis route and spend a fortune tweaking
zinc matrix
(celcius btw, not f, but at those temps it doesn't really matter anymore :D)
dont forget your mask @merry ermine
its more about offline vs realtime for me
@fathom wadi
merry ermine
dont forget your mask <@!509122342690095104>
Masks help keep your face nice and toasty
thin storm
I wear a condom over my head when I go outside.
broken sigil
about to become -25 in 3 days
Jesus... I almost freeze at 5C 😅
zinc matrix
have an animation project coming up, product viz basically, in an arch viz type environment (hospital)
but its 12 min total
definitely not looking forward to rendering that, offline
but clients wants realism
fathom wadi
well yeah, 12 mins if still some work if you want realism. Can you ask for mocap equip?
fathom wadi
oh
zinc matrix
hospital beds etc
fathom wadi
well that sounds like it would apply some fancy anims then, perhaps breaking apart structure and making it more of an advert?
zinc matrix
the only thing I complain about is the ice on my beard. that stuff is annoying and hurts if you aren't use to it
thats it @fathom wadi
I have a ref, hold on
super cold weather is really nice to walk with, in short bursts
lemme find it
fathom wadi
sourcing everything for those projects can be harsh. Easy to get overwhelmed with asset creation
zinc matrix
definitely, client has some cad models though, but expecting it to need some clean up @fathom wadi
never actually used unreal in production though, so might be rough
My cousin lived napoli all his life, when he first got here he arrived with a super insulated jacket. It was actually really thin and kept him really warm. But unfortunately it kept him way too warm and he sweated a lot. Sweat + negative 15c temperature doesn't work out in case you are wondering 😄
fathom wadi
definitely some pre-production for asset readyness. Nice to have cad models though, they are usually ready measured and all good to dupe and break.
broken sigil
Been looking into investing into cryptocurrencies.. ADA cardano looks like a very promising one, looks like it has potential to skyrocket
zinc matrix
I don't remember the name of the material, later I found out mount everest climbers complained a lot about it because it insulated too well and caused people to get sick 😄
fathom wadi
Im still trying to get old currency. It evades me
zinc matrix
definitely some pre-production for asset readyness. Nice to have cad models tho...
oh yeah, it'll save some time for sure
think that vid is doable in unreal?
unreal's DOF bothers me though
foggy path
I think it's pretty hard to say for altcoins... bitcoin is the one that's at least somewhat likely to hold its value or grow long term
zinc matrix
always looks very cheap and fake
foggy path
it's still extremely volatile so it's a really high risk investment
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix absolutely but it's gonna take good lighting and PBR texture setup. The graphics and sequenced camera stuff is all easy mode.
broken sigil
But then again no one expected bitcoin to become this huge
fathom wadi
yeah realtime
fathom wadi
the animations were just basic interps anyway. Breaking up of assets is all pre-production and asset readyness stage
fathom wadi
interpolations. A -> B
fathom wadi
could be. doesn't have to be. Depends what control you want. Maybe simple stuff is easier in blends
fathom wadi
I dont use it but im sure someone here can tell you
sour shuttle
still really annoyed that I need the stock engine installed to download stuff from the market when I only use the git version of the engine. Anyone know a way around that?
fathom wadi
more than that. its got full anim tool sets and tools to make more
zinc matrix
interesting
fathom wadi
some of the dopest dope sheets Ive used
zinc matrix
so you're saying go for it, despite my limited knowledge?
0 experience with blueprints etc
it would save a lot of rendertime
fathom wadi
If you wanted to, you could take a day to learn basic animations and sequencer. The rest is what you what to do with it
median wraith
That's other panini
zinc matrix
I'll have a look at panini projection, thanks!
Thanks for your input as well! @fathom wadi I'll check out the basics and see where that gets me
fathom wadi
no worries
zinc matrix
It is impossible to release an open-source game under Unreal?
if so, how they can stop one from getting their code since it is all on Github?
median wraith
You can release a open source project yeah
Under MIT for example
You cannot that's why you made it open source
Different thing is GPL but you cannot use GPL with ue4
And still don't limit others from release a copy paste
zinc matrix
is dumb practice going for a mono game long-term project without thinking in touching knowledge of c++?
i mean, i want to work on a single game for a long time, keeping update with the engine updates but c++ kinda scares me
fathom wadi
Unreal doesn't really require C++ but you might need it for specific stuff eventually
merry ermine
See how you can do with blueprints, technically C++ is not required, but any complete game would probably benefit from having a programmer on its team
if you are aiming for more graphic artist as a career you should not need to bother with the code at all
zinc matrix
walking simulator with vehicles and eventually an AI following you talking things in a text box
besides that a terminal like for setting the player eating, sleeping inside the buildings
fathom wadi
thats all blueprint stuff really
merry ermine
That should be possible in blueprints, you need the code more for performance optimization or extending the engine to do new things
merry ermine
hard to build a game yourself if you are lazy, just warning you
even the simplest games take a lot of work, unless you are making one of the millions of asset flip games on Steam...
zinc matrix
i am not taking it too serious
merry ermine
ah then don't worry, you will get more enjoyment from using blueprints and making a game then getting stuck in the C++ mud
zinc matrix
still in process of exchanging and selling soul parts to be a real dev. in some years
the trade is slow, internet here is precarious
merry ermine
are you trying to be a programmer, a game designer, or an artist?
zinc matrix
all around not too good at all
I just want solitude when doing my game
so I think i will need to learn the parts that i think boring
like c++
exclusively
anyway, thanks for the advice
merry ermine
like I said, if your goal is a game blueprints will take you far,
fathom wadi
C++ is great when you get into Unreal C++. It guides you quite nicely and holds your hand just enough but not entirely.
im sure others would disagree 😄
zinc matrix
ah no doubt that first it will be blueprints only; i think to get a good grasp of it will take more than a year or so
fathom wadi
if you want to ease yourself into the C++ part, when you are comfortable with blueprints learn how to make a Blueprint Function Library in C++. Just make one exposed function that is usable in a blueprint and all of a sudden you will have more power than you know.
zinc matrix
hm
i think i will try to continue with learncpp.com and then jumping into documentation and internet tutorials of c++ unreal
fathom wadi
learncpp won't hurt but it will start from the bottom I guess. Unreal C++ helps you out a bit over native C++ with some templated objects and memory management. So don't feel like you are skipping anything by adapting to UE's version as you go.
zinc matrix
hm
i kinda works on 8 or 80
anyway setting a port of Supercollider server to work inside a game in unreal is a dreamy goal
would be so nice to build an interactive tutorial for SC inside the game
like a headquarters with musical robots jamming all around
but this is beyond exosphere archives, i am still trying to calculate the density of fuel used to a possible spaceship
so i think c++ understand would help there
(if i will need to learn c++ why not dream hard then)
fathom wadi
I've toyed with the idea of making some kind of audio rack/DAW system in UE since the audio engine was refactored. It's ok for basic stuff but it's a lot of work to setup racks that do what your usual DAW handles so its not worth the time for me.
zinc matrix
anyway is not a must this one, teaching concepts of musical theory feels nice too
and are more accessible than integrating supercollider server and language in a game
fathom wadi
im currently mentally stirring the pot on implementing MusicXML to the engine but again, it's a super complicated task and likely would need more than one person to achieve well.
pearl pewter
Can someone explain me what the .net framework is? What is it for?
median wraith
Okay thats better than my reply, ty Kaos lmao
pearl pewter
😞
solar nebula
Can someone explain me what the .net framework is? What is it for?
It's basically like the .NET top level domain name, except it has nothing to actually do with that
.NET has as much to do with .net as .COM had to do with .com
pearl pewter
What? Those are domains for the internet.. what does that mean? (Not domains but you know what i mean)😂
I don’t know a lot about coding im just playing around in the ue4
solar nebula
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble this is the .COM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework this is the .NET
dense storm
thx
solar nebula
Yeah yeah, I didn't think discord would preview two of them at once haha
dense storm
ye it's mad 😄
solar nebula
I wonder if I put 5 wikipedia links together, will that just straight up wipe the chat
I'm gonna do that in a safe environment brb
dense storm
thing is, to explain .NET on discord, in this channel, would take ages. The wiki page explains it just fine.
solar nebula
Oh my god haha, it works up to 5 links for sure, didn't test more
If you give it 5 wikipedia links, it just wipes the entire screen
Amazing
solar nebula
Because i don’t get a lot
Okay, since you're legitimately asking this, I can try to explain
.NET is a tool for building software, making programs. It has two principal components
First component is the virtual machine. Just like java, you write .NET code in some language and then it turns into a set of instructions that get executed by .NET. You don't write machine code that executes directly on the CPU. It executes on a virtual, imaginary, artificially simulated CPU
So first half of .NET is this virtual CPU and the compiler tools to generate code for it. This means that same .NET code can run on different platforms - because different real CPU's just run the same virtual CPU
The second half of .NET is that it's a collection of already pre-programmed libraries you can use. Do you need to compress data? .NET has a set of functions for that. Do you need cryptography? .NET has it. Graphics? .NET has it!
Tell me what seems confusing in this and I'll try to elaborate
dense storm
.NET Framework (pronounced as "dot net") is a software framework developed by Microsoft that runs primarily on Microsoft Windows
i mean the first line of the wiki page
solar nebula
The two halves of .NET are called the FCL and the CLR 😄
pearl pewter
The second half of .NET is that it's a collection of already pre-programmed libr...
So can i imagine it like a „Windows engine“ or is that the wrong direction?
solar nebula
So can i imagine it like a „Windows engine“ or is that the wrong direction?
You can imagine it as an engine that you write applications with yeah
It's like an application engine (when compared to a game engine)
But because it's more general purpose than games, it goes beyond the scope of what's usually called an "engine". The correct name is "framework"
pearl pewter
Application engine inside windows?
foggy path
Yeah effectively it provides a number of features for programming languages compatible with it
mostly for building windows applications, asp.net applications, and such
solar nebula
Application engine inside windows?
There are several versions of .NET engine that all run same code. Not only on Windows
When you say .NET, you mostly mean the application engine that runs on windows
There's also Mono, a compatible engine that runs on other platforms
pearl pewter
Ah ok
foggy path
Unity uses Mono as its scripting runtime I think?
pearl pewter
So the ue4 needs the .net framework installed to make the standalone game that runs in widows?
foggy path
Does it? I haven't noticed 🤔
solar nebula
So the ue4 needs the .net framework installed to make the standalone game that r...
UE4 uses .NET for some of its auxiliary tools
So you need .NET installed to develop games with UE4. I believe .NET is completely optional for shipped games
pearl pewter
I had an error on my new laptop when packaging „.net missing“ but it was running in editor
Thats why i wanted to know what it is 😄
foggy path
Might be some of the packaging tools use it then I guess
oh yeah there's a few .cs files involved in that now that I think of it
That's probably what it's needed for
foggy path
I wonder how that runs on other OS's, guess through Mono
solar nebula
Thats why i wanted to know what it is 😄
Unreal Engine and other game engines all assemble together into machine code. So you can just download them and run
.NET code requires the .NET engine installed to be able to run it
So you need to install the .NET framework to run the tools that use .NET
The .NET programs only have code for the .NET virtual processor. You still need the machine code written virtual machine to run it. That's what the error is about
pearl elk
lol the .NET framework, parts 1-10 😛
solar nebula
It's the .NET quick course for babies, ages 0 - 40 weeks
pearl pewter
Why always on virtual cpu?
solar nebula
Why always on virtual cpu?
It was an arbitrary decision by the people who created it
Because a virtual CPU is always the same on all platforms
No matter if you run on MacOS, Windows, on x86 processor or an ARM processor, on a mobile phone or desktop, the virtual processor is same everywhere
But the real processor is different
pearl pewter
So thats why the errors only occur when packaged?😂
solar nebula
The error occurs as soon as unreal engine needs to run a .NET tool
lol
If you don't have the virtual processor to run it, it tells you ".NET is missing"
solar nebula
foggy path
Drunk? Hopefully BlackFox won't have to explain it again tomorrow 
foggy path
lol
solar nebula
Drunk? Hopefully BlackFox won't have to explain it again tomorrow <:alex:3300442...
I'm not gonna, everyone who seems in distress gets 1 freebie and if you want more, you gotta make it fun for me to explain it 😛
foggy path
haha
pearl pewter
The bussiness man
solar nebula
Can you imagine the emotional state of this man coming into work on Monday without ever having resolved his interest in what .NET is
You can't just see people in distress like that and not help
median wraith
Lol
soft night
what is unreal soul then?
solar nebula
what is unreal soul then?
unreal engine soul 2 tf pyro update
spare glade
@late night Why didnt Dallar get pumped by WSB. Im a bit disappointed...
foggy path
cursive crypt
Dafuq? Blackmail.
median wraith
yeah
finite lark
she's great
finite lark
she's a spanish vg journalist
fathom wadi
https://twitter.com/CDPROJEKTRED/status/1359048125403590660
worst promo for a PS5 version of The Witcher 3 ever 😄
cursive crypt
vg = video game, I guess.
median wraith
yeah, well she is in the public tv and all
cursive crypt
Well, I hope guys get out of this.
median wraith
Source leaks this days goes nowhere
about the payments and other documents
they can have problems
median wraith
by 2010 all main engines sources were leaked
is copyrighted materials and cannot be used for anything
and you won't be using others source like that
cursive crypt
Ah... that kinda old. Also you don't copy-paste code lol
Anyway, good luck to them.
median wraith
sure I mean, this days engines and games are so big that no one will be using that
plus if someone does will be easy to spot
as the guys pretending to use UE4 sources or UE3
cursive crypt
Gotta see what will happen.
zinc matrix
Random, New Year's is coming here, and these guys released another teaser for their UE4 game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oyu1y9dN4Y&feature=youtu.be
They have an office down the street from me ( not really, ~150 km :D)
zinc matrix
Hey people! I don’t know where to put this, but my PC cant start up after going to sleep mode/turning off several times. Doesnt show post screen, no keyboar lights, no startup beep, just the fans. Can someone pls dm me to help 😭
zinc matrix
Tried to clean rams, run without them, unplug hdd/ssd to at least make it beep or load the post screen but so far nothing works
Do i need to get a new motherboard?
Tried resetting the bios as well
cursive crypt
Well... best maybe is to see a specialist at this point.
pearl elk
They cant even use the leaked info in the class action court cases against CDPR, hacker is kinda dumb tbh 😛
zinc matrix
Thanks
sage ermine
Just bought from other suns to play on my spanky new quest 2
All excited to see it was made in UE4
Hard crash three times in row, can't even make it to end of tute 😦
i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz, 32 GB Ram, 1080 Ti
Woulda thought that would be enough?
ah... three monitors...
<sigh>
cursive crypt
For UE is enough. I got a bud who is like with 4 Ram and some pre 10xx era old card. He is able to do at least some small levels 🙂
sage ermine
welp, it just crash hard again, this time with only one monitor
help me obi wan kenobi
sage ermine
so apparently it's cos it's made for rift but I'm trying to play it on my quest 2
since when did UE4 care about something like that?
foggy path
if it's using an older version of the oculus sdk it might not work I guess
keen solstice
@zinc matrix lol I am deleting my unity discords lmao
cursive crypt
welp, it just crash hard again, this time with only one monitor
Someone was complaining about UE4 + two monitors crashing recently. Anyway, it might be something driver / hw related (amd gpu?) it is not because of the performance.
median wraith
and 60gb of ram is that ?
dense storm
64gb
median wraith
wait whats a TR ?
quiet narwhal
Total Recall. It's a CPU from mars
humble remnant
Always need more RAM and storage
ancient ingot
median wraith
hahahah
normal prism
Man, this was such an awesome movie
fluid bloom
Man, this was such an awesome movie
the new one not so much
"hey we have this tube that goes through the earth from UK to Australia"
royal kernel
normal prism
the new one not so much
Didn't know there was a new one, but I'll stay clear of it then
Cheers 😄
dense storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI reminiscing whilst working..
normal prism
cursive crypt
Wonder how many pixels it would be this gif after another 10 years of copying around.
normal prism
We must go deeper
fluid bloom
I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAyWN9ba9J8
sage tendon
damn, the mod list grew a lot
tulip orbit
we are an unruly bunch
pearl pewter
Any devs from switzerland here?
pearl pewter
I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAyWN9ba9J8
My parents creaming at me because i still didn't master c++
Me:
solar nebula
I hope it isn't
dense storm
lol :/
rare mauve
white parents smh
i've been listening to a crapload of SOAD lately, lmao. never got into them when i was younger
green horizon
I have a serious question, its on behalf of a friend of mine. I have no idea what advice to give him so Im hoping hardcore problem solving brains of UE community might have something to contribute
He is stuck between to totally different careers
- fairly creative in music (hes good at it)
- more innovative also creative in tech
he is also good at the 2nd one
he is struggling to come up with a mental framework to choose between the two
he is still young, just entered 20s
how would you go about it?
he wants it both
its like sophies choice
choosing which one of your 2 children you should keep alive and which one should die
its almost impossible to make a decision
I once heard someone say point of view is worth 100 IQ points
how would you approach making this huge life decision?
I dont know how someone could pursue both of those careers since they are so different
I hope you guys have some kind of mental framework or a fancy way of saying and idea of what to think about that would make it so obvious which one to choose
well to be honest Im a bit ashamed to ask myself but since you leave me no choice - its my own struggle
I made it up, theres no friend
I love singing opera, people tell me its very good but I also im kinda private person I dont like fame
thin storm
become a clown and join a circus.
graceful ember
I'd say to do the music "randy goffe" style, or just HOME
green horizon
thank you @thin storm thats helpful, I also bet big money you are 14 or under haha
graceful ember
keep the music as a side project, and work on it from time to time
if you think the tech part is more innovative, focus on it instead
thin storm
no I just have givin up on serious conversations.
graceful ember
also question about myself real quick, similar to Lacarone's
green horizon
yeah @graceful ember , so far that was the same as I was thinking, keep more stable thing main and music as an aside but I was curious if someone has a better idea to approach it
shoot
graceful ember
hm?
anywho: I've recently been wanting to get back into gamedev, but I can't seem to get the motivation to do proper tasks
usually, I'm only able to put together something basic, and that's it
solar nebula
1. fairly creative in music (hes good at it)
2. more innovative also creative in...
I think your 'friend' that totally exists should continue to pursuit both of these, maybe following the flow of life a little more. Letting the waves take him where he wants to be, BUT ALSO practicing those two crafts so he can be valuable as a multi-specialist
graceful ember
yeah
I'm a solo developer, and I'm still wondering if and how I ask for developers
solar nebula
Art industry is generally not great to work in. So getting a job in tech stuff might be a better economic plan. But I think both of these interests could turn you into a wicked multi-specialist and then much much later when you're more experienced give you a unique job that few others can do
green horizon
@solar nebula thanks man, really helps to hear smart people validate my decisions 🙂 (im not being sarcastic or anything like that btw)
thats exactly why Im in suspense about it
tech is stable, Im 23 by 40 I can probably make 3-4 M USD
solar nebula
1. fairly creative in music (hes good at it)
2. more innovative also creative in...
Can you imagine how much value your friend can bring to a project when he can bridge the gap between the musicians/sound designers and the more technologically inclined members of the project
green horizon
its not a friend its me @solar nebula
solar nebula
I know 😄
green horizon
I dont like to talk about it though, feels immature to want to be a singer but I just love it
solar nebula
Nothing is immature about wanting to be a singer. But you need to understand that being a singer isn't profitable 😄
solar nebula
Low margins, everyone wants you to work for free, everyone undercuts you
green horizon
top 10 guys make all the money
thats true
@graceful ember I think if you lack motivation to make a game you shouldnt do it, it will be a chore and you will end up hating it
unless you are doing it to pay the bills, in that case Idk what to tell you stick in there, try to transition into something you enjoy
maybe someone more experience can give you advice, Im just starting this thing called Life
solar nebula
anywho: I've recently been wanting to get back into gamedev, but I can't seem to...
Consider spending some time learning advanced organizational skills - a lot of motivation loss happens when people don't know how to begin and where to approach from
Breaking down complex problems into simple components is not a trivial thing and you need to practice to do it well
graceful ember
unless you want to discuss the shitton of background info I've added
graceful ember
like I think the problem is that I'm focusing on too much things at once
It's probably my ASD ass speaking there, but I really need to set down other projects
foggy path
I think something you need to allow yourself to do is make something that's crap
It's easy to get stuck thinking of how to do something especially if it's just an idea you haven't defined so well
because you naturally wanna try to do it in a really good way
but at some point you have to stop trying to figure it out and just do something even if it's not necessarily the best possible way to do it :D
pearl elk
so even opera singers are using UE4 now, take that Unity
foggy path
you'll usually get a much better idea on how it should work once you've actually put some work into doing it and it's generally not that hard to change it later if needed so it's better
green horizon
easier to do a high C on E in the Engine than on I in Unity
graceful ember
ProtonCalendar android app is now avalible
For our paid users
tulip orbit
my feet fell asleep browsing imgur on the toilet. Now to join them in bed 😄 💤
tulip orbit
er no, wanted to join my feet in sleep. I failed 😦
sage ermine
Have you tried super glue?
tulip orbit
no, I'm not having hair issues
tulip orbit
I just wanted to sleep 😦
solar nebula
Kinky
sage ermine
I talked him out of super glue
tulip orbit
I'll still use the glue for sniffing tho 😉
sage ermine
Careful your nose doesn't get stuck to your feet
It makes sitting in a hospital chair REALLY uncomfortable
broken sigil
👀
sage ermine
flint pier
Drink a pot of coffee. When that wears off you will sleep like a baby.
sage ermine
It's possible that's why he was on the toilet in the first place
fluid bloom
black coffee + rye bread to an empty stomach in the morning
sage ermine
jonimake your name rings a bell, what's your project in UE4?
(I have the memory of a goldfish)
solar nebula
Drinking pot does sound good
sage ermine
ah, the arma stuff... cool 🙂
sage ermine
I think I remember you talking about that way back
fluid bloom
yea it's on my github I think
after I released in it took BIS a few months to implement their own native solution for all planes in arma 3 🤔
not sure why it wasn't in game in the first place, the same thing existed in a mod for arma 2 too
fresh heath
Twitter
ancient hornet
from what I've seen
it's not really a panacea
(planting trees)
we have been taking for decades the CO2 that was burried under the ground and putting it in the atmosphere
adding a thin layer of solidifed CO2 (trees) on the surface might not be that significant in the scale of things
tidal ivy
you also need to stop burning fossil fuels in general, but that's a whole other problem
carbon sinks aren't that useful if you're just going to keep pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere anyway
fresh heath
I hope there will be a fusion power generation breakthrough soon
There is at least one promising startup with MIT roots trying to achieve this
median wraith
how turns out the Daz models still look so outdated in general ?
isn't like they making a base mesh and system each x years and get a good income from market ?
tecnhcailly if you use these models at UE4 for a film you don't need the Interactive License I think
fringe sundial
@tidal ivy trees arent carbon capture
once the trees die the carbon gets released back into the cycle
tho some people have proposed to grow huge fields of something that grows very quickly, and just bury it underground
or use it to make bricks
cursive crypt
how turns out the Daz models still look so outdated in general ?
It's mostly iray work and materials, just most authors are easy-going. I have seen some quite good renders. They are also slightly stylized, so that accounts too for the taste.
mossy nexus
once the trees die the carbon gets released back into the cycle
Only once they decay or are burnt
pearl pewter
When someone says unity is better that unreal
median wraith
It's mostly iray work and materials, just most authors are easy-going. I have se...
yeah I mean the overall base mesh still kinda meh for deformations etc
fringe sundial
another alternative to the carbon capture is to put more gasses in the sky to diminish the amount of sunlight that arrives by a small %
or putting a mirror in the lagrange point
lagrange point mirror swarm seems quite a lot easier to build
tho the actual effect of receiving slightly less sunlight can have unforeseen consequences
carbon captureon the other hand is stupidly hard and near impossible to scale, but its effect its more or less fully reliable
we might need to do the sky mirror thing to buy us time until carbon is captured
foggy path
Somehow I doubt it'll happen... cities will just flood on the coast and people will be moved inland :P
median wraith
@cursive crypt back in my school days my core 2 duo were rendering for 28h day and night these womans, XDD when SSSS started to be a thing in Pose tool or something
Poser*
cursive crypt
Best porn is the authored one.
median wraith
lol
Daz3D by these times were far back in the graphical features, and I were doing setups I learned from split scenes and templates, the ending result were that almost 2 days in row renders for a single 4k image
light were the key as always
and skin textures
remember to use some black model skin because the others were too simple for the renders or low ress
and turned the black into white (no racist just for skin detail purposes)
cursive crypt
Nice 🙂
fresh heath
The idea of permanently blocking sunlight sounds like a cure that is worse than the disease
mossy nexus
low key carbon capture ie trees etc is the best way forward. Trees take several decades to decompose, more if they are buried or made into furniture 😄
median wraith
Well I don't get it
Daz bought the plugin someone made in the marketplace for UE4
they released it as open source
but the guy in the marketplace can still charge the people for it ?
he have even the urls for the open source one
fresh heath
The thing that could make fusion reactors feasible
This is the prototype being built: https://www.psfc.mit.edu/sparc
median wraith
oh wow 4.26 is 12gb of dependencies
median wraith
on my way to discover if the last version compile with VS2017
fathom wadi
4.19-4.21 period?
normal prism
Anyone else been having a nasty ass crash when holding the left and right mouse button at the same time in editor? Beyond infuriating.
fathom wadi
I wa susing 2017 before 19 but I believe I moved to 2019 around 4.23 because 2017 still worked
median wraith
Meh since Google sold it isn't the same
fathom wadi
@normal prism is there a specific area of the editor/task you are working on when you do it? Replicatable?
normal prism
<@!232215194984644611> is there a specific area of the editor/task you are worki...
Drag selection box with left mousebutton, while dragging right click
Boom
fathom wadi
4.26?
fathom wadi
gonna load up and see if I can do it
normal prism
Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000b4ff86638
UE4Editor_NodeGraphAssistant!TSet<FKey,DefaultKeyFuncs<FKey,0>,FDefaultSetAllocator>::FindId()
😆
fathom wadi
nice
normal prism
It's trying to find a key for left+right mousebutton
fathom wadi
seems like an oversight if its consistent. I mean, not many functions run with both mouth buttons down in UE so it might not get caught
median wraith
Epic is changing the keys system maybe is related with
fathom wadi
@normal prism doesn't happen in my case. The right mouse over-rides the left button and starts to zoom the blueprint instead
cursive crypt
> Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000b4ff8...
It is nice plugin 👍
normal prism
It is nice plugin 👍
Whoa, nice
I was too blind to see
Too quick to pass judgement, I was
Forgiveness, I must seek
cursive crypt
Go make happy the author now 🙂
normal prism
To be fair, I haven't updated the plugin in forever
Lemme do that first before I start judging too soon, again
Yup, fixed
Happy days 🎊
ryobg for president
fathom wadi
hey ! I had to open the damn editor to help and I get no credit. What is this? AAA industry? 😄
normal prism
hey ! I had to open the damn editor to help and I get no credit. What is this? ...
You too ❤️
You can be vice president or something
Marc Pence
I can see it
🤟
fresh heath
summer grail
Not sure where to put, this, might as well bang it here so could you lot help a guy out and fill this form out for me https://forms.gle/9EmGCHLnqZjvgxvk7
median wraith
another form
Tadeo Jones and Nintedeo Switch
@zinc matrix yeah every person have the same personality
😂
like all the people doing the test end getting about the same result
fresh heath
fresh heath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3F1vZYpH8c
That's mindblowing
At the same time, I was expecting something like that to appear eventually, after messing around with MakeHuman
This seems to be much better
normal prism
That's mindblowing
Same, it's amazing. I feel like we're really making strides again
cursive crypt
Already two absolute "awesome" meaningful reviews even.
pearl pewter
I found this note „Black fox -> ue4“ on my phone but can’t remember what i meant.. 😂 Any ideas?
median wraith
https://venturebeat.com/2021/02/10/epic-games-metahuman-creator-lets-developers-...
Man.... I just purchased at daz the game license for 10$
😂
cursive crypt
Don't expect to not needed it because of that UE thing.
Yeah, also it will take some time for tools and experience to develop. DaZ is pretty much debugged and know-how exists.
So give a gun to dem voluptuous heroes and let them shoot tomatoes at each other.
pure wagon
I’m stumped
median wraith
Don't expect to not needed it because of that UE thing.
yeah just purchased the daz games license for the base mesh are all at 10$ today
and then epic nounced this, anyway could use this for anything else
cursive crypt
You kinda didn't read you can't compare them really? 🤔
median wraith
well aren't equal or anything else but
is a joke anyway
I have a key question for MetaHuman
XD
fresh heath
The mystery of Michael 5's genitals
pure wagon
Uhhh
cursive crypt
No, but you can buy I guess 🙂
median wraith
I think is a different store
thin storm
they look really good, but the character creator ones are equally good though. still is the issue where to get clothes from.
but its pretty much a hassle to get the cc3 ones into unreal though.
its a software package you have to learn how to use and make good looking stuff with it.
Im still poly modelling that. lol
median wraith
I wish Blender get a bit of better support by next UE5 release
it seems like I will release on steam after the new engine build releases
mossy nexus
I wish Blender get a bit of better support by next UE5 release
In what way?
median wraith
the skeletons directions and that thing
the support for the non FBX is stopped isn't it ?
they added the base but never evolved in the open format from Vulkan devs
glTF
were added at 4.19 and abandoned
dense atlas
oh snap, finally some 3Lateral news!
solid aurora
Free animations are next (;
fluid bloom
I wonder if that tool has any LOD/decimation tools for the character
solid aurora
it's really human scans with machine learning
dense atlas
713 joints! dang
solid aurora
and I think by the end of the year they will make Nanite work with skeletal meshes
so it's moot point
fluid bloom
I wonder if metahuman sample has +X forward now
fingers crossed 😄
instead of +Y or whatever the character is
solid aurora
i haven't checked it
but
probabaly not
it was so long this way
that all hacks which worked around this
are features by now 😄
cursive crypt
My char art is like the old Nokia's then.
median wraith
https://docs.unrealengine.com/Images/Resources/Showcases/MetaHumans/MH_Platform_...
where that from ?
thin storm
cant wait to see hundreds of these characters running around with the default mannequin walk animation.
fluid bloom
ALSV4 you mean? 😉
thin storm
yeah probably.
mossy nexus
4.26.2 due soon™ Then 4.27 after that... 🙂
solid aurora
5.0 preview will be sooner than 4.27 (;
quiet narwhal
5.0 will be out before .27 if we are lucky!
ancient hornet
\o/
lucid walrus
If I do NPR, is there any reason for me to care about 5.0?
quiet narwhal
whats NPR?
tulip orbit
not 'national public radio' ?
lucid walrus
I'm not from the US, so no.
sinful delta
solid aurora
the real question is
mossy nexus
non-photoreal rendering
Better control rig, integrated FBIK, Grid System, Lumen, 64bit precision - tons of things UE5 will have that are applicable to everyone, not just those wanting Nanite
solid aurora
why are you building everything ?
median wraith
because there are plugins without dll
median wraith
it don't work with the Launcher build
solid aurora
Better control rig, integrated FBIK, Grid System, Lumen, 64bit precision - tons ...
yeah, there are shit load of features incoming
for me 64 bit positining is one of the most imporant
but also
graceful ember
...thanks
solid aurora
system for automatic streaming of level containers
like object containers from Star citizen
solid aurora
you can see sneak peak at the unreal fest demo
tl;dr version is you can have custom implemented grid
actors are placed externally and assigned to grid cell
there is no levels, no contention with checkouts
and you can implement any grid you want, by default 2d, but 3d or for example hex is also option
lucid walrus
ok, so with new ue5 grid/level streaming, will they finally get rid of the fucking 1980s style string name referencing for levels then? 😛
fluid bloom
string name referencing?
tidal ivy
ok, so with new ue5 grid/level streaming, will they finally get rid of the fucki...
you don't have to use strings
lucid walrus
I don't?
zinc matrix
Is there any release date for the epic games character creator?
lucid walrus
Neat, what's the full node name of that one?
tidal ivy
that latter function is in our own BP library, but it's just calling a C++ function
just waiting for "Reading C++ Symbols" to take twenty millions years
lucid walrus
😄
tidal ivy
ah, there we go, it's pointing to this:
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/API/Runtime/Engine/Engine/FStreamLevelAction/index.html
lucid walrus
ah, there we go, it's pointing to this:
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/API/...
Thanks!
I'll look into it when I start adding C++ to my project (which seems inevitable)...
I'm trying to keep this one Blueprint for as long as possible, because I don't want to see that "please rebuild from source" on a downloaded ue again 😄
tidal ivy
haha
for non C++ you also have:
but this is a blocking action, whereas FStreamLevelAction is async
lucid walrus
Right now, I fade the camera to black (Resident Evil 1 style) every time I load a level, so I actually don't mind that
strange zodiac
Unreal Engine is too time consuming, complex, not really scalable and slow .. Epic Games: Hold my beer!
pearl pewter
Unreal Engine is too time consuming, complex, not really scalable and slow .. Ep...
Yoo i already prepared the swearwords😂
Can’t take criticism on my engine
strange zodiac
if you dont know what im referring to you need to keep
pearl pewter
Need to keep what?
strange zodiac
from epics updates Bringing compelling real-time digital humans to life is incredibly challenging and time-consuming. It can take months of research, costly scanning equipment, and an army of tech artists. What if we could make the process radically simpler, faster, and more scalable—without compromising on quality?
pearl pewter
Ah
strange zodiac
if you willing to die for the engine then use MetaHuman create yourself in engine then kill yourself in engine! ;p
dim ruin
damn that MetaHuman Creator looks awesome!
strange zodiac
damn porn industry is going to get a mega boost now! lol
dim ruin
timing is great too since fucking adobe killed Fuse CC for good recently
strange zodiac
i wonder if the boobs have blendshapes 😅
dim ruin
if not, just add them. don't be lazy. work for that nut
strange zodiac
think the jiggle will be automated?
strange zodiac
timing is great too since fucking adobe killed Fuse CC for good recently
fuse is shit..you mean reallusion killer
dim ruin
They've all been shit. Fuse was free and decent enough. Now Makehuman, that is shit.
strange zodiac
i use character creator..they have improved allot and they are the best i know
i wonder how the comparison will result
strange zodiac
cant complain about MakeHuman since its open source
dim ruin
reallusion's prices are absurd
rugged canopy
aren't all of these the same thing?
they all force you to use the same rig
hardly good for "real" development
dim ruin
worked for pubg lol
rugged canopy
forgot, PUBG is the pinnacle of virtual human representation?
dim ruin
I swear their models look like they didn't even try to hide they're straight from fuse cc
rugged canopy
I hope MetaHuman doesn't do the same thing, but I don't see it
strange zodiac
they all force you to use the same rig
why you worried about the rig.. you can modify the rig..i make my own rig since all character are the same bone structure and vert count i just transfer weights simple and easy
rugged canopy
an in-browser CC is not that much different to what's already out there
why modify?
why can't I add a tail?
dim ruin
and typically these tools are used because the people using them aren't capable of doing it on their own so simply having something that works is more important to them than something that look sreal
rugged canopy
why you worried about the rig.. you can modify the rig..i make my own rig since ...
to be clear, you're talking about editing a skeleton and skinned mesh
strange zodiac
they also have unreals rig structure but i prefer to use my own
rugged canopy
whereas I'm talking about fully expressing your own damn rig
it's so infuriating to see stuff like this imho
dim ruin
to see what?
rugged canopy
yes, graphics look good
strange zodiac
you can export the blendshapes..expressions etc
rugged canopy
but functionally? this is a parametric rigger w/ in-built morph targets.
dim ruin
people not wanting to rig and skin their own?
rugged canopy
well it's not about that lmao
it's called being forced into a system which makes 0 sense
the only sense it makes is for people who want 1-click rigs
and that's it
dim ruin
or, and hear me out, people that can't do it themselves well enough
rugged canopy
well yeah, I'm not a slave or w/e
I understand like everyone else, that I have free will 😅
but I mean, it's hardly an advancement
dim ruin
I had no idea this was such a triggered topic lmao
strange zodiac
lol they dont force you into the system..you can fully modify and customise to your preference
rugged canopy
it's literally a better looking MakeHuman
of course they do
you can't specify the structure of the rig
lmao
strange zodiac
i just told you can
dim ruin
you can retarget it to whatever you want
strange zodiac
adjust the bones everything
rugged canopy
after all of the automated skinning etc
and is animation retargeting really applicable here?
dim ruin
why wouldn't it be?
strange zodiac
it has everything retageting for UE animation etc
rugged canopy
well we're talking about authoring a character
nothing to do with animation per se
strange zodiac
iv used it so i know
rugged canopy
my issues with not a rig I specify is an issue which is separate to animation
so you know what? lmao
not really too sure what you're trying to say
dim ruin
so use it to create the mesh and dump the rig
rugged canopy
I'm saying that editing a rig after it's been created is pointless
dim ruin
and rig it yourself 🙂
strange zodiac
you dont have to but its my own workflow
dim ruin
see, I use things like these because I suck at modeling and rigging humanoids
rugged canopy
we're not talking about specific peoples workflows here
dim ruin
so as long as it works, I don't care about the details
rugged canopy
we're just talking about how the rigs these CC's generate, are not changeable
strange zodiac
they are
dim ruin
and there's always someone out there creating converters between rigs
rugged canopy
"they are" meaning you load em up in a DCC and manually change rigs etc?
yeah I'm not talking about that
strange zodiac
you can change the rig the bones placement..the number of bones et..i have been saying theis over again
rugged canopy
isn't the point to a CC to have everything in the one place?
strange zodiac
no
dim ruin
Well, I'm excited for MetaHuman creator. You just a salty lemon
rugged canopy
I firmly disagree
dim ruin
:p
mossy nexus
Mixamo don't do character gen
rugged canopy
yes but have you looked at their "auto rigger" ?
:)
strange zodiac
i honestly dont care about auto rigger or whatever i prefer to rig myself
rugged canopy
when you want something specific, these CC's are likely to hurt you more than help.. that's all my point is
the graphics guys knocked it out of the park ofc
looks really good
but it just doesn't seem to be as accessible as some people are pretending
mossy nexus
I'm really not sure why you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this. MetaHuman is designed to be easily integrated into the 4.26.1 workflow. The fact that it doesn't fit into your workflow doesn't make it bad or whatever.
strange zodiac
first use it then complain
rugged canopy
I'm not saying MakeHuman doesn't at all...
I'm saying this is something we've seen before
that we have many other variants of...
that all use the same systems....
and thus, have the same functionality........
dim ruin
that mixamo autorigger has been a godsend lol I can throw whatever at it, get it rigged then retarget to the UE skeleton and bam, all my shit works
strange zodiac
all im interested in the comparison results with the new plugin by epic
dim ruin
just fingers can be a bit touchy sometimes
rugged canopy
if you have a custom character created by an artist
and it isn't already rigged
and you use the Mixamo auto-rigger you're locked into Mixamo skeletons
unless, you ofc spend the extra time
to either retarget in-engine
(which would apply for all of your anim assets)
or you again, open up the result in a 3D DCC and start messing with the hierarchy/skeleton etc
this is counterproductive.
rugged canopy
same thing can be said about pretty much any other character creator
median wraith
My GPU don't likes the last hair lod in the character creator
dim ruin
head is going to explode when he sees this
http://terribilisstudio.fr/?section=products
strange zodiac
iv made a simple script that retargets the animation on to your custom character and then exports out the baked animation so retargeting is not required
dim ruin
ItS NoT The NaturaL Order!!!
rugged canopy
it has nothing to do with any conversion stuff
mossy nexus
rugged canopy
or anything like that
nope
not related to the stuff I'm talking about
The UE4 retargeting is great for transferring animations from the Mannequin to another character.
dim ruin
but after converting, I'm no longer "locked" to the mixamo rig
rugged canopy
LOL
oh yeah because that makes sense
you're just adding another tool to the workflow now
what about non-humanoids?
dim ruin
we're talking about humanoids
rugged canopy
why?
strange zodiac
it doesnt matter if you make your own scripts
dim ruin
because thats what the hot topic is apparently
rugged canopy
what about a 'stylized humanoid' then?
deep glen
i see a trend where someone keeps adding another argument when someone points out a flaw in their initial argument
dim ruin
is the rig stylized or the character? lol
mossy nexus
I'm quite impressed with the level of sheer whining you're doing, for a product that isn't even out yet 😄
rugged canopy
@deep glen please, enlighten me
dim ruin
ikr. we should all be excited about metahuman creator. it genuinely looks great
rugged canopy
you don't have to be passive about it, please tell me where my flaws are..
I'm saying that these things are very specific
and I think I'm not wrong in saying that
they're only really applicable when you don't have that much you want to change
I didn't realise that making fun of people is accepted here..
deep glen
just re-read the whole convo about it, it should be noticable enough
dim ruin
thats typically the use case. either prototyping or unskilled
rugged canopy
@deep glen I see a trend where someone calls me out on something and then when asked about it, they repeat back a similarly sassy comment
deep glen
also im not making fun of anybody, just pointing out something i noticed
dim ruin
you make it sound so easy to model and rig believable humans Lemon lol
dim ruin
sure seems to be implied
rugged canopy
how???
lmao
please tell me how you can infer that from my remarks
I'm just saying, if you want something stylized, it's probably still easier to handle the rigging side yourself o_O
dim ruin
I am not scrolling back through all that. Just come here and get a hug and lets be done with this
rotund tundra
this meta human thing will be great for virtual production, archviz, ... and also games in some cases
rugged canopy
I already stated I loved how the characters looked
rugged canopy
but apparently that isn't enough?
ah yes, moving goalposts now
apparently....
"I'm just saying, if you want something stylized, it's probably still easier to handle the rigging side yourself o_O"
strange zodiac
rugged canopy
very constructive!
deep glen
atm its version 0.14 iirc, imagine what it will be when it hits at least 1.0
by then it probably will also support more than just realistic faces, and if it doesnt it will probably be added as development goes.
if the tool really flies off and makes a dent, who knows what they will create next for our already always increasing toolboxes.
rugged canopy
ooh sounds good then
strange zodiac
atm its version 0.14 iirc, imagine what it will be when it hits at least 1.0
by ...
like realistic boobs? 🥺
deep glen
thin storm
the real question is, can you implement that into an ingame character creator, because I doubt that.
deep glen
as for the rigging part, i assume it wont be locked to one rig and if it does I am sure that there will be quite some people at high places requesting support for alternative rigs.
rugged canopy
honestly my only thing about CC's is having a decent level of control over the skeleton and/or rig, so if I hear anything like that, I'll definitely try it out myself
who am I kidding, I'll still try it out just to see those eyes 😍
dim ruin
Does anyone have any info on using UOctreeDynamicMeshComponent? Seems like its so fresh off the press that there isn't really much out there
rugged canopy
that's probably one of the things they use for MetaHuman
dim ruin
doubt it for this one. Its part of the mesh editing/geometry processing tools plugins but it seems like a solid candidate for runtime dynamic terrain
rugged canopy
I guess you use ApplyChange()
and with a valid MeshDescription you make it using InitializeMesh()
but why not the other terrain thing? (which I can't remember the name of rn xD)
dim ruin
the interface it exposes is all about the shelf tools but the underlying business is what I'm interested in. Managing the octree etc
RuntimeMeshComponent?
solid but not great for terrain
dim ruin
i'm not touching that
rugged canopy
because UE never used to support dynamic terrain stuff
dim ruin
yeah for sure. that's been quitely changing though
they've got quite the dynamic mesh toolset under the hood now
yeah @zinc matrix . thats what pointed me towards it
rugged canopy
might have to edit engine source to give yourself the functionality you want
this seems to be the main bulk of it
and you can get this via GetOctree()
strange zodiac
lets change topic
what you guys think?
crypto+game assets!
people are playing csgo for bitcoin now every time they kill
pearl pewter
And..?
strange zodiac
oh sorry i thought we were all showing setups
pearl pewter
My setup! 🔥
That setup is not so good sorry 😐
dense storm
how do you focus on things with a setup like that
dim ruin
I'd love all that screen realestate
strange zodiac
That setup is not so good sorry 😐
ya you are right i need to upgrade my 24 inch monitors to 24 inch 4k monitors 😢
dim ruin
I'd need to upgrade my videocard to add more screens to my setup but well, fucking video cards
strange zodiac
@dense storm On my desk there are unreal stickers if you dont believe its my setup great for working in engine and trading at the same time!
pearl pewter
ya you are right i need to upgrade my 24 inch monitors to 24 inch 4k monitors 😢
Y’all can only dream of this development environment 😈😈🔥🔥🔥
dense storm
i just can't work out you can focus i have 3 32inch screens, that does me 😄
dim ruin
nice. even that would be awesome. I've only got 2 24" and it feels limited as hell sometimes