LPV wasn't made or supported by epic
#lounge
median wraith
pearl elk
GI isnt a method anyways, its a collection of methods
median wraith
SSGI and sss are couple of things nobody uses outside of static scenes
pearl elk
if it were a solid tangable feature but its not, its just a name for a collection of things which give an approximate look of a certain type of lighting
we just call it GI for ease
physicists would be like WTF you on bout, no such thing ๐
median wraith
good to know Saturday is the worst day to post anything lmao
I don't really know at this point the people to get all these likes at Artstation
fathom wadi
phased photonic interference. Or. PPI. So next time someone calls you about PPI. Start ranting about global illumination
pearl elk
diffuse interreflection
thats what most people know as GI generally speaking
the interacting systems in the entire category of GI basically covers everything RTX does and maybe a tiny bit more
median wraith
I get around 2 to 4 likes per work at artstation
people I know gets 100 to 200
defuk
foggy path
I'm gonna make a material based GI system where I have a material parameter collection called brightness
at night I'll just turn it down
:D
pearl elk
Im just going to make all my materials full bright
foggy path
makes me wonder how hard sector based lighting would be to make
eg. similar to how it works in engines like Build
pearl elk
its a shame the light probes only do light and you cant do a negative value to darken
it should be as simple as stopping it clamping the value tbfh
oh sorry I mean reflection captures lol
pearl elk
so maybe you should dig into the spherical component and get it done
I mean its been what 4 years and we're still talkin bout it ๐
cursive crypt
I get around 2 to 4 likes per work at artstation
If you have money, I can press Like?
pearl elk
I will share if you buy me beer
median wraith
If you have money, I can press Like?
fathom wadi
All my likes are legit. You can't buy my vote sir good day !
cursive crypt
For friends, there are discounts.
pearl elk
I lost all my likes in the great Twitter purge of 2021 RIP
cursive crypt
9.80$ !
fathom wadi
thats a small economy these days. Can you break a dime?
pearl elk
thats a small economy these days. Can you break a dime?
dont you mean a bitcoin ๐
fathom wadi
naah thats worth about as much as any faith based currency. ๐
pearl elk
faith based currency, sounds like holy water
pearl elk
churchcoin
fathom wadi
Holy Diver, cypto worth a fiver.
mossy nexus
Roman temples had church coins. You'd buy them with stuff and then give them to the temple
Mind you Romans also had vending machines
fathom wadi
Someone called out all the bitcoin prophets the other day on twitter and I was thinking "spoken like a true person who never invested and now regrets it" ๐ But he was funny anyway
pearl elk
I wish I invested in the Roman Empire
pretty good returns for awhile
then this other faith based currency came along and ruined it all ๐
Jesus coin isnt even that great, I mean why do you eat it anyways
fathom wadi
I wish I had invested in myself more as a person growing up but I was stymied and felt too powerless to do much about it. I think maybe if I had, I'd now be talking about my bitcoin investments and shares in companies instead of still grinding...
fathom wadi
my kid is teaching himself to code. The other is teaching herself animation. I started them off but its a journey of self discovery as you know. You have to mostly teach yourself, even if you get help
sage tendon
I wish I had invested in myself more as a person growing up but I was stymied an...
few years ago i traded 0.2 BTC for 20 euro to buy a game, that same 0.2BTC is now worth over 5000 euro >.>
fathom wadi
I see people playing slots with mBTC and think "are you insane or a genius?"
sage tendon
worst part of it, the dude who bought my 0.2BTC used a hacked paypal account, in the end I lost the BTC and the euros..
fathom wadi
damn
median wraith
my kid is teaching himself to code. The other is teaching herself animation. I s...
How you build this studio tell us!?
So I had 20 kids, we pass directly from indie to AAA and each one does a role here
foggy path
I wouldn't worry about it... you can always invest into stuff, maybe you won't get ridiculous gains but at least you'll get something from it
Applies both to investing to yourself and to bitcoin lol
sage tendon
i bought for 20 euro BTC the other day, its already up with 1.28% giving an amazing profit of 0.37 cents
fathom wadi
i've joked about that before but it's their choice not mine. I tried to turn them away from it. That way I can say "I told you so" when they ask me about burnout and why AI stole their jobs ๐
sage tendon
i've been mining DAL for a week now, which is also kinda profitable with the current BTC value
but please dont mine DAL, i will get less then
foggy path
I exited BTC and ETH, mostly because I don't feel like the value is gonna continue to climb much longer
I have a few other random cryptos left in case it does :P
sage tendon
imagine doing that when BTC was stuck between 100-400 euro
being 31k at this moment now
foggy path
Yeah well if you did that then you could easily have bought some more of it later
fathom wadi
im mining Discordcoin. Basically, everytime someone pings me, I generate a new coin. But if you message me again, it auto-sells for current price.
foggy path
well if you compare it to how it has behaved in the past, with this kind of almost straight up climb it has always dipped pretty hard after
sage tendon
buy some, wait till it went up with 2k, sell, wait for 2k dip to buy again and repeat
foggy path
so I'm just going based on that... I could be wrong of course but I made a lot of money from this so better safe than sorry at this point
fathom wadi
quick in and out. Probably the best way to trade. No need for greed. Greed is not good
sage tendon
well, dont buy worth 1000's of euro's at once
just like 10 or 20 euro's a month as investment
distant vale
Experience does not correlate to skill, value or ability. It correlates to age.
foggy path
this is what the day chart looks like right now
this is what it looked like in 2017 with the previous huge rally
it looks a lot like that with the dip soon after... :D
sage tendon
i know, i'm watching it like an hawk
pearl elk
I shoulda got some back in 2010
sage tendon
do it now so you dont regret it in 2031
foggy path
I originally invested just before the 2017 big rally
sage tendon
if it drops again, i'll just buy more
pearl elk
I already regret everything, its too late
foggy path
Overall I've about 5-6x'd my initial investment at this point
sage tendon
imagine having 7k BTC locked on a encrypted hard drive and can't remember the password
sage tendon
aye
sage tendon
i wonder if he flipped his house to search for the password on a piece of paper ๐
foggy path
there was some guy in the twitter comments saying he could get it done, only asked for 10% of the pot lol
sage tendon
with 230m on the line, I wouldnt risk it and seek an expert for that
i would do that
foggy path
Yeah
sage tendon
rather lose 23m instead of 230m
everything above 10m is a shitload to survive 2 generations
pearl elk
this whole idea that bitcoins can be lost forever actually bugs me
I kinda like that unclaimed money gets sucked back up into circulation
sage tendon
in the end, its just stored bytes
pearl elk
stored forever, wasting away in a digital dungeon
we need a decrypto currency to find all the lost cryptos
fathom wadi
even though I appreciate its value right now, the thing that always bothered me is legislation. If it started to get more of a foothold against the petrodollar, the central banks would throw a spanner in the legal works and outlaw some of it. Probably the most valuable section.
being that bitcoin is looking like an investment asset rather than a currency, I reckon they will just leave it alone and profit from it themselves
pearl elk
drug cartels will pay good money for your coin to stay anonymous and cut out the launderer middlemen ๐
fathom wadi
central banks already got those deals after they shut down Noriega's corner down. Like... when was the last time you heard about Panama?
pearl elk
there is a reason why I dont do my banking in the Caymans lol
I use a local community bank
sage tendon
Crypto currency is a wrong term, it should be seen as commodity
fathom wadi
the only reason I don't is that I don't have enough to make it worth it. If I was a trafficker, I might spread my banking wings a little ๐
sage tendon
Banks deal with currency, cryptocoins do not
pearl elk
Crypto juice
sage tendon
Its like trading with stocks, those arent a currency either
pearl elk
you put it in the ground man, you grow it
except you have no idea what youre actually investing in
sage tendon
Strangers value
pearl elk
maybe its coca cola, maybe its boeing, maybe its the KKK lol
sage tendon
Would you really care about that
fathom wadi
yeah people who brag about having shares in Apple make me want to rub the "child labor" issue in their face really hard. I get it, you make money, you got lucky, but you fund kids being sent into cobalt mines you arsehole" ๐
pearl elk
I do but Im all for freedom, people can do what they like
sage tendon
The bills can be paid with blood money, as long the tax gets a piece no one minds
sage tendon
I do but Im all for freedom, people can do what they like
So then investing in apple, coca cola or the KKK isnt a problem? ๐
pearl elk
I just worry about large political donations coming from anonymous sources, there should be some things which are always transparent thats why we have public traded companies vs private
fathom wadi
I say keep the donations to politicians anonymous. But reduce the maximum donation from any corporation to $1.
then give that dollar away.
pearl elk
but you dunno if its all coming from the same corporation with a crypto
sage tendon
Well the true core of that problem is capitalism
fathom wadi
all money is traceable. As the saying goes after any crime, "follow the money"
the only untraceable money is hard cash but even then, serial numbers.
sage tendon
Maximum profit = maximum money income achievable == powers, requires lobbying in politics to protect them. Power entity helping power entity to make it as static as possible
cursive crypt
"follow the money" but there are tons of laundry goin on and - nothing.
fathom wadi
thats because the world is ran by a global criminal cartel so the right money moves where it needs to be ๐
sage tendon
There is no point in fighting only the symptoms unless you want to keep the disease alive
fathom wadi
My tax fine last year was larger than Donald Trump's entire tax bill.
pearl elk
you know if he doesnt get impeached he gets 200K a year clear, plus fringe benefits
foggy path
Regarding bitcoin legislation... At least over here bitcoin is already taxed
It's treated as an investment similar to for example gold, so they tax your profits/losses
fathom wadi
@pearl elk yeah but he's getting on so it's not much if he croaks quick
cursive crypt
wtf is that pack?
pearl elk
<@!156366027322687488> yeah but he's getting on so it's not much if he croaks qu...
I guess so and they say 3/4 of people who had Corona have ongoing symptoms well after 6 months
fathom wadi
wait for his face to thin out. He's a big guy so it will be the first sign of an impending street party.
feel like we should setup an obligatory deadpool now. But Doug Stanhope already has that on the web
outer perch
hey
median wraith
@gloomy badge ahhaahaha
lets be honest mine looked like that
is the only way to do it without code in the shaders
you have to make a custom node
as UE4 don't have forloops
at shaders
cursive crypt
@gloomy badge is that the light probe replacing point lights thing mentioned recently? ๐ค
deep glen
cursive crypt
lol
fathom wadi
@median wraith you mean shaders dont have for loops?
median wraith
@fathom wadi yeah the default nodes for the UE4 shader editor
you cannot make a forloop
yeah
outer perch
hey, is there a help channel? i need a little help
median wraith
but then you need to make the whole system from ground @zinc matrix
I did but the guy don't know
or maybe don't want to change it at give point
cursive crypt
@outer perch look at the channels on this server, lol
outer perch
theyres so many!
cursive crypt
Then choose based on topic!
median wraith
hey if someone want it I can do a custom pack for when UE5 releases
๐
if I get more than 5 that want to get it
cursive crypt
pack for hen?
outer perch
ue5 is going to be amazing
cursive crypt
Like... ๐
ah, lol
And there I thought, something interesting as an idea popped up. Packing chickens for UE
median wraith
chickens do like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCxlxclyzo&ab_channel=GamingSoundFX
outer perch
thats a duck sir
fathom wadi
I wish my wife wouldn't give chocolate mouse to my son. He's at that stage where he sometimes does a "dirty protest" so I can't tell if the mousse on his face is actually mousse or not.
pearl elk
its a rubber chicken
thorny lodge
no one lays eggs
outer perch
they both lay eggs
thorny lodge
no
median wraith
chickens, ducks, same thing
he, she and goose
cursive crypt
eggs grow in the supermarket, everyone knows that
thorny lodge
exactly
outer perch
i thought they grew on the way?
pearl elk
Heveggy lays em
median wraith
I think Amazon named their engine against the Tim trees
fathom wadi
treggs
pearl elk
that looks like a spider web
median wraith
yeah they hire spiderman to make these
Downtown West Modular Pack is a good scene to relight
but is just for 4.26
fathom wadi
you not using 4.26 yet?
median wraith
21 here sir
fathom wadi
luddite !
I really like 4.26. It's been solid and packed with new stuff I keep finding
I never read the patch notes on it though and only did a bit of work in 4.25 so a lot changed
humble remnant
I've only had an issue with packaging that I guess is caused by UGC plugin
fluid bloom
same
median wraith
There is nothing in the last ones I can use ๐ฆ
nothing that the 970 support at least
fathom wadi
makes the Ennio Morricone mouth organ with a mouth noise
median wraith
@gloomy badge hey you could have used the IBLs
or my engine changes
were free and optimized
๐ค
what you need it for by the way ?
marble stream
Hey, i need someone who can 3D model
Its to model some creatures for a game called Devils Midnight
cursive crypt
@gloomy badge what means "static renders will get more color"?
Building static lighting will saturate the texture colours?
median wraith
let me tell you the thing you bought
maybe don't even work
because is impossible to get the color buffer in the materials
so the lights you got only give light if there is light already
cursive crypt
oh, Epic paid for answers.unrealengine.com
median wraith
I clicked open and now the box don't open
error opening the lootbox
lmao
this morning got a empty one
pearl elk
I thought they removed the lootcrates from Battlefront 2
humble remnant
Maybe traces is a good idea yeah
But I think it can be "hacked" if the building is big enough
Perhaps do that with volumes that generate on wall generation?
humble remnant
It's kind of a cursed problem really
Another way would be with a dynamic navmesh but that can get just as expensive
Good luck
I doubt you'll find something optimized at the end of the day
deep glen
its hnnngtastic
median wraith
by the way, Twitter, Facebook and Artstation aren't working for me anymore, Twitter used to, but the people follow 5000 and silence them all
Instagram promote pretty well the content
and Reddit just works
just if someone want to know
lmao
@cursive crypt my face from the profile ๐คช 
does someone knows whats the name of the indie resources website ?
there used to be a web with a list of resources ordered by categories
oh this
still alike since 1 year ago
๐ค
dim ruin
wow the price on 10th gen intels are amazing. look at this shit
I paid twice that when I got my 7th gen i7
memory and ssd are all super cheap too now. Only thing is fucking GPUs, trying to find anything worth buying that's actually in stock lol
that thing is 8 core 16 thread too
humble remnant
400 EUR is cheaper than it was?
dim ruin
thats CAD
fresh heath
sullen smelt
Are these good specs for RTX on UE4, I am buying a new PC and need something to run UE4 with RTX really well. If not what should I change/upgrade?
deep glen
good luck getting a 3090 :p
besides that, should be fine.
fresh heath
Pretty good specs for UE4
median wraith
do you still get Intel ?
tomorrow will have to do the whole new level, well that will be fun, spend the morning today with the relight and didn't made the other lol
not sure how much will take me, but made all the models already so
@gloomy badge https://twitter.com/reduzio/status/1350544367870763011?s=19 welp there you go
Expand it
sullen smelt
Yeah is AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Twelve Core better than the intel?
median wraith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cndppiC5FpE&ab_channel=PierreTerdiman
And this is powerful pee
quiet narwhal
@sullen smelt just look up reviews of those cpu's and you can compare for yourself. The short answer is it depends on what you are doing. the longer answer is yes the amd is better
sullen smelt
๐ will do! Thanks!
median wraith
they just replaced the Lightmass baker
they used a system that just bake voxels, kinda like the Crytek new GI system but offline
now have the features from the last CPU baker in UE4
Epic should consider make some kind of system ala Godot for baked light
you can define bake areas in the world and just bake that area
rather than bake the whole world
solid aurora
this guy might start from actually making data oriented renderer
instead of inventing new way of optimizing virtuals
dim ruin
@sullen smelt The more expensive 'K' model CPU is an expensive overkill unless you plan to overclock, which you likely won't for development. A turbo-boosted would be more than enough oomf when needed. The samsung ssd is great but if you can find an xpg m.2 cheaper, it might be preferred. For the GPU, literally anything in the 30 series will be perfect (and a real bitch to get your hands on right now)
128 gb ram will be nice though for development
foggy path
the overclockability is nice if you want to keep it for a while
dim ruin
not if you'll never use it
foggy path
Yeah I guess if you really know up front that you'll never venture into that
dim ruin
@sullen smelt what mobo you going with?
foggy path
but it's not really hard to do especially a few years in, since at that point there's ready to go guides for how to do it usually
I haven't OC'd my 6900K but I might if it feels like it's chugging a bit too much
dim ruin
just using the basic auto clocking is fine even but really, it does legitimately shorten several component's lifetimes. I think mines on average about 16% OC'd
foggy path
Yeah
soft night
Artemis have hot fire engine test
foggy path
I think at the point where it starts feeling a bit slow OC might be not the worst idea
soft night
estimated within a hour
foggy path
At that point you'd start wondering about upgrading to new parts anyway so if OC'ing wears stuff out it doesn't matter anymore lol
dim ruin
I'm really jealous of these 10th gen intel specs and prices. I paid more than twice for damn near everything for 7th gen at the time lol The 10th gen i3's damn near rival the i7 7700K now ๐ฆ
foggy path
I ran my old i7 920 at 4 GHz overclock for a long time, base clock on that was just 2.6 and not much higher with turboboost
it did eventually get to a point where the system wouldn't boot with the OC, but at that point I was kinda considering an upgrade anyway :P
zinc matrix
here my mighty planets https://gfycat.com/brightgoodnaturedhound
solid aurora
what is even the point of buying intel at this point ?
dim ruin
I'm just not familiar enough with AMD products at the moment to be honest. I used to be all about AMD since the K6 right up through to Phenom II and FX8 but I made the jump to Intel after that and so much has changed since then with AMD
dim ruin
@zinc matrix looking good ๐ Neat style
soft night
intel upcoming ceo give some hope to deal that inconsisting in they products
11th gen intel is promising what give on CES
for CPU or any is that are you some ai with cpu or in gpu or both
also nasa artemis engine test https://twitch.tv/nasa
proud pier
here my mighty planets https://gfycat.com/brightgoodnaturedhound
Can they crash into each other?
zinc matrix
youre talking about n body problem? no they cannot cause i do not use real life gravity
proud pier
Just make them crash into each other anyway
zinc matrix
lol
proud pier
And blow up, making chunks fall around the player
zinc matrix
too hard
proud pier
Player has a new minigame, dodge the planetoids
foggy path
I think the most complicated part of my game right now is the interactions between customers and the player when the customer AI is purchasing something ๐ค
It seems like this shouldn't be so complicated but goddamnit I've rewritten it once already and I think I need to do it again because it's getting messy lol
zinc matrix
๐
foggy path
Need it to be robust because there will be more to the system later
soft night
the rocket engine give so many particles
proud pier
@foggy path what game are you working on?
foggy path
first person video rental store management/tycoon simulation thing
zinc matrix
It seems like this shouldn't be so complicated but goddamnit I've rewritten it o...
im most affraid of recoding my ship builder
but i have to do it cus connecting it would be actually equally hard
foggy path
Yeah
There's some individual bits which are complicated I guess, but they usually don't interact with other systems much at all
but with the customer purchase logic.. it's like, the player is interacting with the customer, cash register and items, and the game needs to correctly update the UI, the NPC AI logic needs to correctly do its things depending on what the player tries to do, and it needs to also report info to some other systems about what happened
so there's a lot of interactions with different systems so it becomes kind of complex to manage it
zinc matrix
ah tru i get it all the time
but think about the mony
as you go deeper into the development of your game you discover better coding and organizing ways unfortunately usually its too late to recreate whole project in such clean manner ๐
foggy path
lol
zinc matrix
that was the case with me at least
foggy path
yeah that's why you have to make sure you clean it up as problems become apparent
for me I have a lot of experience building complex systems so the issues kinda stick out since I know what they look like
foggy path
usually if it feels like "this is more annoying to make work than it should be" it means it's potentially gonna be a problem lol
and I don't know about genius, I've just been programming for like 20 years :P
zinc matrix
LOl
8 months here XD
i thought youre just a bit older than me
idk man after 20 years more of that id go mad
quiet narwhal
N00000B ๐
foggy path
Yeah that's when you start learning stuff like Haskell
fathom wadi
or pretending you can make a game as a solo dev
humble remnant
ะั ั ะฟัะตัะตะฝะด ะธั ะฐััะตัั ะฐัะต ัะพ ััะตะต ะฝะพะฒ
Uhhhhhhhh
Lemme rephrase that with proper keyboard
Why pretend if assets are so free now
humble remnant
median wraith
going mad is part of the learning curve
But I'm mad and my English and coding skills don't ever improve
๐คฃ
fresh heath
nova herald
Well shit, I was cruising Steam and found a game that JUST came out with the same name as we've been using in development (Shot in the Dark).
Anyone here have a good name for a sci-fi roguelike shooter with a heavy use of vision mechanics? Thematically, the game deals with first contact, defense of earth in the face of an enemy with overwhelming power, the Dark Forest theory, existential threat.
nova herald
@fresh heath Thanks, that got me going a bit.
spare glade
Is it just me or does Youtubes "Home" page give you nothing but what you already subscribe to???
Whatever algorithm they are using to recommend videos is just garbage.
north torrent
My feed is always full of things exactly the opposite of what I watch and subscribe to, and I keep hitting 'don't recommend this channel' and YouTube will recommend something almost the same.
That's why I have a separate YouTube for game development stuff, where I look at nothing but game dev.
spare glade
Like its gotten worse though, i watched a few chess videos not long ago and now all i have is chess videos....
It used to be ok and would recommend some seemingly random content, but now all i see is the same stupid shit.
pearl elk
you can hide the chess videos and it'll tell the algorithm you want to see less of those
it is frustrating though to have all this automation which is suppose to help but it largely relies on huge data sets of human input
stupid bots ๐
I hate the recommend me a video Ive already seen, its like I watched that 2 days ago... Netflix isnt much better at that one either
fathom wadi
Youtube recommends me videos I've already watched. I mean, can't get worse than that
solid aurora
but with the customer purchase logic.. it's like, the player is interacting with...
Bit late now, but what kind of AI framwork do you use, for AI to react to player actions and enviroment changes ?
foggy path
@solid aurora it's primarily done using a BT right now. The BT has custom tasks which make it wait until the player does an action, and some decorators are used to check what the result of the action was to continue in the appropriate sequence
solid aurora
that's what I thought when you said you problems grow (;
foggy path
lol
solid aurora
did you checked Needs, based AI and utility systems ?
BT are not for making this kind of AI
they are static linear plans, not decision making data structre
foggy path
I'll have to check those out, but at least so far the BT has functioned fine for this purpose and it's actually the least problematic part of it
The BT doesn't really make any decisions in this case, it simply chooses which path to execute based on whether something succeeded or not
solid aurora
I guess so, but I bet the things actually amking it work around cause problems
either way BT is fine, as long as it doesn't make decisions, select goals, or similiar.
easy way to spot if you are not abusing them is to see if inside BT you reset some state to backtrack in tree
foggy path
Yeah
I had it do something like that in an earlier revision of the system but currently the BT just reacts to either values from decorators or blackboard
Eg. if the player gave the customer the correct item or not which is just a decorator that inspects the state of what item the customer has
the complexity is mostly in having everything sequenced correctly and having the right actions happen as the player does something, basically ensuring every separate system involved in the process goes into the correct state at the correct time (player, AI, cash register, UI and some others)
solid aurora
does actions need to be predicatable or just make most sense in situation ?
foggy path
it's already heavily events based but it's one of the oldest systems in the game right now and as it was originally built in 7 days for a game jam with much less complex features in that aspect of the game, it kinda needs some updating :D
the actions are entirely predictable based on what the player does and the state of the AI character
(but you might not see the full state of the AI character when playing)
median wraith
lol
Well you need 4 parameters per light
lets say you add 100 lights
that happen
that a material parameter collection ?
or what is it ?
pearl elk
I think youre missing a node in the middle there
median wraith
that isn't good
the idea is to expose that to a global material function
what the hell
cursive crypt
@gloomy badge you gatta leave a review
median wraith
try something for me
make a complete black scene
without normal lights sky or whatever
and put a light
tell me if you see anything
with a floor or something
the base color from what buffer ?
from color ?
oh god that will end totally bad lol
base color don't have any info
the problem is about the metals
that will return black
and alikes
lmao
tell me a thing
what you need it for ?
my first system worked via injected per materials rather than in post process
that system should even work with the most crap VR
as when you enable VR and the mobile post process the custom postprocess don't work
so if you need it for a cave lets say
you can overlap the rocks material only and add extra cost just there and into the player
and when totally enters then change the skylight
and magic
whats the performance cost ? @gloomy badge
when you move around with the material in the post process on/off ?
can you compare with the tick disabled
in the same scene the base cost of the material alone ?
remove the BP in the scene
just keep the postpoces
main one
remove the engien cap
t.maxfps 300 or so
in the console
what gpu are you using by the way ?
xd
well thats like x2 of mine
XD
yeah just tell me in the 2070
without fps cap
with the material plug and without the material plug
I bet the FPS cap in GTA is 190FPS or alike XD
yep
pearl elk
this doesnt sound like a stress test
median wraith
@gloomy badge did you removed the actual material ?
that's impossible
the whole node system consumes all the time
It takes the same fixed amount on GPU
because does the same loop
whatever you use 1 or use the 60 probes
takes the same performance
that's why told you about remove the material from postprocess
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errr
then remove that BP from scene
is there in the map
a postprocess volume ?
there is something wrong
well
the bottleneck is the BP because is using the tick to update 800 values at time
in the tick
as second part
its impossible you can't spot difference between the escene without a custom material and the scene with the custom material
so something you're doing wrong ๐ค
do you have rt enabled ?
isn't the GPU
but something missing there
pearl elk
BP tick is slow yo
median wraith
here you got
60 spheremaks at time each frame
well 256
you should have a ms cost you can spot in there
pearl elk
yeah you wont see it on the fps counter unless your scene is challenging enough
pearl elk
post process complexity depends on the scene its rendering ontop of when its using scene data
pearl elk
Heveggy Magic
median wraith
This pack ?
is a material in the postprocess
with a spheremask per "light"
it adds each one into each one
are add or multiplied between ?
and after that multiply it to the scene color
each spheremask have 4 parameters
color, location in the world and size
and plus size maybe have a lerp area size
each of these for each sphere is assigned in the tick in the bp
I mean I did that thing 5 years ago is posted on the forum
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but never released it to the public as without a manager the people will pay and don't know what or how use it
plus mine used to be material based
were better for colors by the way
you get the albedo directly
also Godot have a lot of parameters in the main shader that aren't on use
@gloomy badge good old times when Dropbox allow to host images as web
say goodbye to the good service
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there was some file as example I have
were basically that
the problem is the manager
you need a good manager the best deal could be make a c++ plugin
I did a proto system on BP but never released it
@gloomy badge look
I think that was the example
hey i did even multi color lights xd
the engine changes are posted on Github by the way
median wraith
mmmm
by the way
the material material expression cannot have defined vars that auto expose to the material isnt it ?
median wraith
where Div go ?
did the computer burn ?
there you go
you got it now
and you can do it on materials the same way I send you and that way
16x16 ?
not sure what you mean there
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the what
but why
it works faster ?
oh that you got there is a custom node then ?
show us
but how are you storing that
?
tbh
and how you do the read in the node ?
you don't need to update every light once by the way
I mean the other system works if you don't do that
the values are set already
just need to change the moving ones
so you draw one stick for each light ?
one dot
what are the other 2 values ?
well this is interesting
you can store the other 2 values in other texture or the same
not sure if I get you
you are a genius sir lol
nice epic
The fact here is these popups overlap other notifications
as second part I find funny the fact
cursive crypt
Maybe because you have the Game tab active ๐ค I don't get such notifies.
median wraith
Americans and english speakers ignore other languages youtubers and creators until beat them on all platforms by x3 to the english ones
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then make a english notification for a youtuber that just make spanish content
yeah
there was one in the engine too
about don't launch the launcher
Allar posted it once
will have to show you the time of day system one day @gloomy badge XD
what you named gave me an idea
about lerp images
pearl elk
lerp mages
median wraith
still need a bit of work
managed it mainly via C++ becuase lets be honest BP turns noisi ๐ค
now there is a problem that you need one texture per level
theres he goes
hackman
humble remnant
median wraith
how many without it ?
lmao
and how many with normal lights ?
with disabled shadows
movable no shadowed lights
I can test on my own too
Well I were about compare with you the things
but I got a 970 won't work lol
welp
let me make a real fast empty scene
what resolution you got ?
pearl elk
wheres the radiosity
humble remnant
Can't deny that the real lights impact a lot more than their "area of effect" after all
median wraith
@gloomy badge how the hell you spawn the lights man ? because I cannot set them movable later
Blame epic
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someone missed to expose the light parameters here
whyyyyy
you cannot create classes derivated ?
this must be a joke
I think someone will need to make a PR
never tried this but is kinda pointless
and that friends is why you cannot make marketplace assets
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wait what assets you got ?
oh found them
yeah got it
lol
wasn't you using a BP sending the parameters ?
lol
yeah get a frame drop at 32x32 ?
at read or write ?
hahaha
pearl elk
sighs
fathom wadi
I was working on some raycasting the other day. But I didn't catch anything and Ray drowned.
pearl elk
this is why you get your brain high
fathom wadi
anxiety is why I do usually ๐
I have it awful. My palms are like broken taps sometimes.
pearl elk
the trick is to let the AAA companies do the hard work then you just steal it... I mean borrow it after
fathom wadi
I let AAA batteries do the hard work. Duracell.
fathom wadi
dartboards
pearl elk
I miss pinball machines
fathom wadi
I had a good portal plugin I picked up for free. I say good, it was fairly heavy for performance and it would have to be used carefully, but yeah
humble remnant
Wasn't it based on scene capture?
fathom wadi
@pearl elk play Virtual PInball with your monitor in portrait. I was playing some classics about a month ago
humble remnant
I haven't checked it out, but still
fathom wadi
I cant remember tbh. it looked good tho
humble remnant
I just miss having an in-engine implementation because UE1 portals were cool as hell in maps
pearl elk
virtual pinball just aint the same, I miss going into the deli or the pub and seeing the machines sitting in the corner. Now all you see is zombies at the machines in the pokie rooms
fathom wadi
you could make a Virtual Pinball table. Just get a big tv, a small nuc or mini-pc, a backplate and customise it. I plan on doing a build when I die because Im never getting out of his hellhole any other way and at least I can have pinball in my afterlife.
pearl elk
Id rather make a physical pinball table
fathom wadi
what if you get bored of it?
pearl elk
I can always modify it ๐
fathom wadi
you can do that easily with a shortcut and virtual pinball. It's really good honestly.
they should have called it a pinball simulator but the physics can't be exact of course
pearl elk
yeah but I cant almost smash the glass with virtual pinball
fathom wadi
you can but it just goes a funny colour and you get a second chance
pearl elk
try the T2 pinball machine, it'll change your life
pearl elk
yeah the gun is also used to shoot the ball at the hunter killer
fathom wadi
I liked Bride of PInbot, Funhouse and The Addams Family. Original pinbot was good if you like a tough table. Im still getting through a lot though
played the Robocop table last time. It was nice
fathom wadi
@pearl elk They released a Terminator 2 pinball emulation as part of a pinball game in the UK only for PS1 or PS2 I forget. But it was legit. Not as good as the VP table but thats had many iterations to perfect it
median wraith
@gloomy badge by the way, drop you the question, what about vertex lights, how can you solve that but without the spheremasks ?
I think it goes to normals ? I have no clue
trying to figure that out
seems kinda the same but no idea hows doing that
I think this is actually inside materials rather than a shader
pearl elk
too unlit to quit
median wraith
well finally fixed the engine missing parts exposed
median wraith
pearl elk
those arnt lights though are they, just white blobs
median wraith
XD
actually there is 256 lights
at 500 radius
65+ FPS
so can confirm my engine changes works after all
pearl elk
looks like a piece of grey carpet
median wraith
Div have 58FPS at 1440p on a 2070RTX
I have 65 FPS at 1440p at a 970GTX
pearl elk
show us some geo
pearl elk
geo blocks lights, makes it more complex to render
pearl elk
atleast credit the author ๐
median wraith
what author ?
deep glen
isnt only checking your fps not like... a very limited way to check how it affects performance?
median wraith
yeah, well the performance viewer is there too so
pearl elk
checking fps in an empty scene is worthless tbh
median wraith
made other examples there back in the past, someones are on artstation others into a void
median wraith
atleast credit the author ๐
uses a shader branch by the way, so all the physical correct calcs are ignored, the author is myself so
pearl elk
I still have no idea what youre talking about
median wraith
by the way @gloomy badge didn't know about "Material.Texture2D_0Sampler" thats take from the node or what the hell
pearl elk
you've made a lightweight light thats about all Ive got so far
but its not really a light because it doesnt cast shadows is that correct?
so youve made some sort of ambient colourisation or some such
and are comparing its performance to actual lights
and calling it a win
median wraith
I still have no idea what youre talking about
@pearl elk the checkbox in the image, that calls a branch in the shader to ignore all the corrected PBR calcs, so you save a bit per light
pearl elk
I can show you a niagara particle system with lights which dont cast shadows which will beat your performance
so I guess Im left wondering is why, which is why Id like to see an actual use case
median wraith
the shadows that divi made can have shadow too, isn't hard
pearl elk
can they really? or will the light bleed
median wraith
well acts as the normal ones
pearl elk
this is why you need to test with geo otherwise youre just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks
median wraith
as you can see I added that control too lerp from 0 to 1
when you disable the shadows on a light
you still get faced aligned shadows cull
that lerps it
pearl elk
is that surface normals or pixel normals?
median wraith
based on surface
is on my video dammit
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you can add that kind of shadows
pearl elk
yeah Ive seen this
pearl elk
wheres the radiosity?
pearl elk
basically you have to make sacrifices for performance, its kinda silly to act like you found a silver bullet no one else has found before
if you actually come up with a new algorithm which improves performance AND preserves quality, I want to know about it
median wraith
didn't said is a silver bullet but gives control to the artist
pearl elk
so play with the lights all you want, experiment, fail... fail again but eventually you'll be here touting an actual win
can put down Unreal Engine for not being performant but maybe, its the best we got in the realm of third party engines. Id love to see all that proprietary source for CoD etc but that aint happenin
you should look at siggraph papers though, they are great at leaving a line of credits to follow the work
median wraith
victories aren't real since there is always someone that lost ? :p
anyway what i did were an experiment since 2015 I give that is there who whatever wants to use it is there just as the IBLs from that awesome guy
pearl elk
brush up on that HLSL too ๐
median wraith
actually my fault is always don't claim anything thats why at the end others end doing and selling the things
pearl elk
you should try improving on the IBL implementation
try integrating it with the spherical captures live Ive suggested since 2015 lol
if you get a solution which works then youre more likely to get it into the engine then we'll all be using Hevedy lighting, now thats a win ๐
median wraith
there is a problem that the original author found
the whole way the probes work
don't allow the recapture in realtime
idk if Epic will change it at some point
I bet
pearl elk
if that where true how do I see my character in the SSR?
median wraith
how are related the SSR with the reflection captures ?
pearl elk
maybe you should find out
median wraith
they added a GPU direct recapture in the skylight
thats the only one I know that can be recaptured
pearl elk
maybe you dont need to recapture only adjust the alpha blend to give the illusion
median wraith
there is that already
median wraith
what you need that for ?
humble remnant
Scene captures invert the alpha
So the idea is to slap them a post-process shader that inverts the alpha
median wraith
scene captures don't invert the alpha
I'm talking about the IBLs that have a lerp between their local image and the skylight one
zinc matrix
there is that already
u shuld wurk fur epuc
median wraith
there is nothing I can do at Epic with the wizards they have in shaders already other than make level illumination or fix things
pearl elk
Yeah I dont need IBLs, dont need the recapture
I need expanded functionality of the inbuilt spherical capture
median wraith
@gloomy badge last ping today promise, are you using deferred for VR ?
pearl elk
I need a solution Epic will actually accept a PR on
median wraith
I sent a fix for landscapes
not sure this days how fast is the flow
at accepting them
I think there is just a guy in the spare time ?
pearl elk
did you check the new skylight, does the IBLs work with the new recapture update?
or does it tank the performance ๐
zinc matrix
no its ue5 demo meshes
median wraith
didn't checked the last 4.25 or 4.26 Mons
zinc matrix
mons?
median wraith
I read about the GPU capture but that was all
pearl elk
GPU is good mmkay
median wraith
Someone named even in last updates the skylight recapture tank performance
zinc matrix
did they forgot to bake the lighting?
median wraith
despite is on GPU
pearl elk
maybe you can steal the recapture method for the IBLs
median wraith
even if do
no idea how to manage all the images individually there as are in the world stored
median wraith
actually let me tell you
pearl elk
do you have a dynamic recapture rate based on whether the player can actually see the IBL or not?
median wraith
mmmm
actually are a nightmare to get them projected in all directions
I never managed to XD
I think someone did
loud plover
Ah, good times. Was part of the kickstarter, and were blessed to have a contact that took my notes of inspiration to the game. Not sure how much if anything ended up from my notes. But I want to believe so. It recently got an Classic Mode update. So it plays more along the lines of Castlevania 1, 2 and 3. If you guys own it, update it! And the game is currently of 50% on Steam for another 2 days.
Side note, the team never touched Unreal Engine before diving in. They later got help from WayForward.
cursive crypt
talk about necroing
pearl elk
talk about advertising, also kickstarter links arnt allowed anymore are they
This would be better in the released channel
cursive crypt
Discords remembers bro, even after few years ppl will quote you.
fringe sundial
holy fuck 4 year necrop
pearl elk
from back when Trump was still President ๐
fresh heath
The Senate Launch System isn't doing very well https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/nasas-space-launch-system-rocket-shuts-down-after-just-67-seconds/
deep glen
@fringe sundial they also joined this server a few days ago, so they actively looked/searched for that.
pearl elk
The Senate Launch System isn't doing very well https://arstechnica.com/science/2...
welp better they make these mistakes in testing rather when theres peoples lives on the line
median wraith
@humble remnant yeah can batch invert layers with my tool or whatever you need
if need batch images
foggy path
I'm noticing a strange bug(?) in 4.26 ๐ค
When you resize the comment boxes in the BP editor by dragging, it doesn't actually follow the mouse cursor 1 to 1
it feels like it's more like.. following by 0.5
I don't remember noticing this before or I wonder if I just somehow missed it
humble remnant
<@!166258390580985859> yeah can batch invert layers with my tool or whatever you...
I'm looking for a script that's inside of GIMP itself
median wraith
okay then, I said nothing
humble remnant
The operations are decompose into RGBA, select alpha layer, invert, compose back, that's it
median wraith
I just said it because is what the tool I spend 1 year making does but
does 4 canvas work faster than a single one of 32x32 ?
@humble remnant what you named is like this it seems
thats it
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how you did it
humble remnant
I need that on a batch execution tho
And I need it in the most user friendly way possible, so I'm using BIMP
median wraith
I need that on a batch execution tho
humble remnant
I won't be the only one using it so yeah
median wraith
๐ค
so how turns out you can do it now ?
4 in the logic ? hows that
dont get you at all
the issue were at the shader read
and you still using a single texture
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median wraith
I won't be the only one using it so yeah
no worries then, I sold more units for web devs for whatever reason than for gamedevs XD
Luos had the pain waiting me to create that lol
I think after all never used it
humble remnant
I'd rather get something open source, since I'm seeing a "license: complete commercial"
I don't have money to supply everyone with that
median wraith
yeah open source is always better for internal
humble remnant
Not when I need to run >200 executions at a time
median wraith
I'd rather get something open source, since I'm seeing a "license: complete comm...
commercial is because there is a demo version limited in features, thats all by the way
but yeah dynamic workflow still a thing there
I have to check that for future use cases
@gloomy badge but thats on the Blueprint then
you make small textures and then paste it on the final logic
loud plover
Isnt advertising when you are part of a project, or?
median wraith
if goes for my reply I just told he about a tool doing it, (didn't posted links or whatever)
๐ค
Dammit Divivor tell me xd
hahaha
oh that
@gloomy badge yeah but... you're doing 4 textures there on the logic case in the BP side, but you named the Texture2D causes performance issues at get pixel colors, how turns out now you don't have the issue ?
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loud plover
Yeah, a game that made me more interesting in Unreal Engine, sorry for fuzzy question, not a fan of tagging people.
median wraith
Yeah, a game that made me more interesting in Unreal Engine, sorry for fuzzy que...
I have no clue, maybe there is people interested in or so and the post were 3 years ago... so no idea, they just reply woith something or so
pearl elk
influencers advertise on other peoples behalf all the time
struts around in his Yeezys trying not to draw attention to himself
cursive crypt
... ๐ค
median wraith
hey the only influencers around here today are here
blame epic
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yeah the record one from twitch the other day
pearl elk
that looks english to me
median wraith
this is the same guy that were invited to the Black Ops beta
and blamed the game
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meanwhile was restreamed by treyarch
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pearl elk
median wraith
mmm
by the way do you multiply between the masks ?
add between and then multiply ?
yeah that I mean
ty
can you do negative then ?
you can't do you ?
I just found a post with the same thing you pasted di you got it from a post in the forum
don't you ?
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kinda interesting never found this one before
oh siet
well thats a workflow improvement
using black color ?
the what
thats a gummy bear
total rainbow
oh no
the computing errors will come for you
color blend don't seems good
if you put all the lights at once
you should get a nightmare
as there is no cap limit
nuclear bloom
XDD
THATS unity ?
median wraith
XD
cursive crypt
Whole day work, zero advance. Fantastic.
pearl elk
Success, money for nothing ๐
proud pier
Whole day work, zero advance. Fantastic.
Typical day for most
cursive crypt
I dunno, like at least you can see advance toward the goal or cover up a mini task. Days like today are just... like nothing really.
proud pier
And how are you determining which spot is what color?
Also, Nvidia... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gt-1010-released
median wraith
@proud pier math, should have an static array and all the lights are stored there always in the same order
proud pier
Right, but, locations
Like, how user friendly is it?
I thought I saw some MPC being used for each light
median wraith
it writes in the image for reference
as there is no arrays dynamic parameters on materials is using that image
each pixel is 1 light
so the light id 100 is always in the index 100 from the image
zinc matrix
daily i use search function HERE to see if something new for UE5
but life disappoints daily
deep glen
this isnt an official discord server, whenever they announce something new is when we know and discuss something new
median wraith
didn't know the roadmap moved another time
https://portal.productboard.com/epicgames/1-unreal-engine-public-roadmap/c/263-sculpting-tool-enhancements-experimental
this reminds me the old sculpting terrain in UE3 :p
The sculpting and Deformation tools are being extended with new brush options. Artist can also now create custom weight maps and use them with the Smooth, Offset, and Displace tools.
Weight map
**Dis...
Download internet images to the game meanwhile play ?
the what
rich quiver
that rust
median wraith
I didn't download anything lol
deep glen
dont fill your hdd so far
median wraith
Man you know modern games are 200gb
can install just 5
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but no idea what happened here
median wraith
And there are another 400gb of the engine etc
soft night
then you need 10TB just for Unreal?
median wraith
That looks like