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cursive crypt
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Didn't tried sculpting in Blender... Heard it is improving only.

frosty halo
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Sculpting isn’t something that blender does objectively worse.

cursive crypt
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Worse than?

frosty halo
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Z

cursive crypt
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Oh... well

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haha

carmine frigate
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its better at sculpting than any other free 3d software i tried 😛

cursive crypt
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Use what you are comfortable with 🤷‍♂️

carmine frigate
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never tried z or mudbox or anything tho

frosty halo
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Flipped normals basically said that most pros including them mostly use less than ten brushes for sculpting. All the ones they listed are in blender. So same tools really - if you fail sculpting in blender chances are you won’t be better in Z

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Tools in the hands of skilled people don’t matter as much as subject matter knowledge.

cursive crypt
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True as long as the tool allows you do something easier & faster. A good art can be done in whatever.

frosty halo
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What blender lacks is probably convenience.

carmine frigate
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i can sculpt a lil

frosty halo
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Z has had much more time to build up convenience functions

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Blender is playing catch up.

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But if you look at ArtStation - artists who do both blender and Z sculpts have works that make it impossible to tell what they used unless you’re told.

cursive crypt
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Well, I'm not knowing both app to compare them objectively. A fact is tho, that Z is dedicated since many years and has a lot of expertise put in and used about. Blender I think is still far from there, but apparently is improving.

fresh heath
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Blender has inferior performance in Sculpt Mode compared to ZBrush, but Pablo Dobarro is fixing this

frosty halo
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Yeah Z does have that really optimised

carmine frigate
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on a decent pc thats 2mil trist +

frosty halo
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Unless you use the dynotopo thing constantly on, it basically never slows from what I saw.

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The again I dunno what rigs those people had.

carmine frigate
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can prolly do 5 mil depending on zoom level and brush size and stuff

frosty halo
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If they leveraged GPU in blender sculpting - they win.

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Well.. win in general. Not against anyone.

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I dunno, I personally feel like if the end result is the same - what you use doesn’t matter.

carmine frigate
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i think the whole edit /sculpt/animation/texture mode setup is really nice

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its all there, sometimes can get confusing cus hotkey change with mode aswell

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and everytime i try the latest version it feels everyting got a complete overhaul 😛

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if you want to sculpt retopo, texture , animate and export a character you wont need like 95% of blender stuff 😛

frosty halo
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True. But it’s the fact that it’s so versatile that makes it so nice.

carmine frigate
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i rate the texture paint tool in blender lower than paint btw 😛

frosty halo
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That’s why you have Substance

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Or Q Mixer

carmine frigate
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i linked blender to krita years ago and new versions still use that setting

cursive crypt
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Maybe for editing textures? I linked gimp.

carmine frigate
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just download krita and put the exe as blender external image software

carmine frigate
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just save and reload in blender

primal spoke
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So umm EQS is for real still experimental?

cursive crypt
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Yeah, its just one press of button 👍

novel latch
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I friggin' need a ps5

fresh heath
fresh heath
north torrent
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There is a website that has 2 million AI generated faces... Hmmmm...

foggy path
north torrent
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So, the edge of my cpu fan casing is actually resting on top of my ram...

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If the ram was 1mm taller I would have had to choose between removing the fan or removing the ram heatsinks.

mighty jungle
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Hey have you guys ever heard of this Engine called Unreal Engine?

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Apparently its pretty cool

foggy path
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No, this is a discord server for the Build engine

mighty jungle
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Hmm, well im just saying it looks like it has quite a bit of potential :/

foggy path
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Man I don't know, can it do room over room?

broken sigil
cursive crypt
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Define from "scratch" lol.

foggy path
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I've thought about building something like that too

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you could probably just get some off the shelf microprocessor and other chipsets for it... obviously it's not quite as straightforward as just that but yeah :p

zinc matrix
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if hes that smart

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maybe everyone can be bill gates

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and make cpu and gpu

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and os

mossy nexus
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It's just a breadboard and some chips, wires and a bit of soldering

fathom wadi
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Funny thing is, back in the day this was standard. There used to be a substantial market for DIY computers until the "console based home computer" was created to mass market gaming machines. Convenience took over.

foggy path
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I kinda wanna design my own CPU

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I know the theory of how they function

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but that's about it

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:D

fathom wadi
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It's nice to deal with binary things that are logic gates. Often there is solace in that when you can't stand the illogical stuff you see in the world. Probably why I do logic flow in programming as my zen thing.

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Although I've found a lot more comfort in creating with Blender recently. Having the peace and quiet to just trip out into some artwork, seeing the imagination come to life at a pace that doesn't have to feel rushed (because Im not getting paid for it) is often a beautiful waste of time 😄

foggy path
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I have a "game" on steam which can do some of that sorta logic gate stuff, it's pretty interesting for figuring out that sorta logic stuff

fathom wadi
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I never went out of my way to learn all that because I grew up with the Atari and Sinclair Spectrum. But when I got to college I took up a class in radio technologies which included all the core concepts to schematic reading and so on. I paid attention 100% of the time and soaked up what I could. It ended up being more interesting than I gave it credit for. If I were born 10 years earlier I guess it would have been my thing. Mail ordering pcbs and tripping out with a soldering iron

fringe sundial
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if you want to build a CPU in a simplified way, there is a "game" on steam called MHRD where you build a cpu from logic gates

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the game is built as a puzzle, you program each piece of the cpu in a very simplified HDL language where you essentially "connect the wires"

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it will only take a few hours to finish, and it builds a real, working, 4 bit cpu

median wraith
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there was some 8 bit cpu made inside minecraft

zinc matrix
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my g2 order is not listed anymore on the hp site........

foggy path
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@fringe sundial ah good to know, I've had that on my wishlist for ages but just haven't gotten around to trying it yet :D

north torrent
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I'm trying to put a massive heatsink on my NVMe drive...

fathom wadi
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I already have a gpu where mine should be and there is no room for it. SSD does the trick though. It's like NVMe with a pre-built heatsink and easy to fit somewhere other than under my red hot GPU

north torrent
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My motherboard has two NVMe slots. The one on the front is PCIe 4.0. I heard those can get hot if you don't have a good heatsink and airflow.

fathom wadi
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yep exactly why I dont have one until I get a mobo where it's moved to a place I can use a heatsink

north torrent
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But my motherboard also has a heat pipe going from the front NVMe slot to another heatsink on the motherboard.

fresh heath
north torrent
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The NVMe sits there, and that heat pipe runs to another heatsink block thing on the left.

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Then you put another heatsink block on top of that black heatsink.

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But I am trying to take out the black heatsink and instead use this.

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Which is basically just a solid block of copper around my NVMe.

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Then that heatsink block goes down on top of that. I am going to put thermal paste in between the two to make sure the heat transfer happens. I am also putting thermal pads in between the NVMe and that heat pipe.

frosty halo
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maybe everyone can be bill gates
@zinc matrix Theoretically, the majority of people could. But human nature gets in the way.

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Which is basically just a solid block of copper around my NVMe.
@north torrent For 99% of people this won't matter. Also NVMe's don't get hot enough with standard heat spreading interfaces to the point it becomes problematic. They just don't output that sort of heat.

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Unless you're like me and you hate temps above 30c when ambient.. then you spend your life min/max'ing the rig.

zinc matrix
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ye

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im aiming to be

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Notch

ancient hornet
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so, you mean your aiming to be rich and insane?

north torrent
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Everything I have read says that PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives get decently hot.

zinc matrix
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so, you mean your aiming to be rich and insane?

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ye i want to gain fame

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on gamedev

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and muney too

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I just thought today what is karol doing? how is it going?
no one knows this bcuz

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this is pentagon secret

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tbh making game not that hard

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just time consooming

fresh heath
median wraith
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dat i Torch Light

fresh heath
zinc matrix
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e

zinc matrix
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@north torrent @frosty halo SSDs perform better when they are warm/hot if it does not go over 85°c you fine. You do not need to cool them.

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But i doubt they get over 50°C

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I have a prebuilt computer with intel UHD 630 graphics and I'm looking to buy a graphics card. I have 16 gb of RAM and an i7 9th gen processer. I am not very good with computers so can someone recommend me a good card that would be around 150-250 dollar

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@zinc matrix Do you need it right now?

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nah im planning to buy it around black friday or for christmas

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It is a unfortunate time to buy a Card now. Do you need it this year?^^

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For what do you need it?

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Are you a Beginner in 3D?

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yes

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also I am interested in tensorflow

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why is it an unfortunate time

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Is that running on a GPU?

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tensorflow is a lot faster running on gpu

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And i see you need a Nvidia Chip card

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becasue of CUDA

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yea

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I do not know where you live and where you buy it, becasue here the prices are different you should check in your price range what you can get and post it here and i can help you further.

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It is unfortunate becasue Nvidia is rolling out there new GPUs that are much faster and cheaper

frosty halo
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@north torrent @frosty halo SSDs perform better when they are warm/hot if it does not go over 85°c you fine. You do not need to cool them.
@zinc matrix basically. Yeah. I’m just mad about airflow and temps. My CPU and GPU are totally fine to idle at 35-40c but I have them sitting on 24c when idle just cause I like temps as low as possible

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I’m not that bothered by drives or ram.

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If my main components are cool enough, secondary ones will be too.

zinc matrix
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what is your case?

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and how is the Fan config

frosty halo
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P400a

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Front 3 fans intake, one exhaust. CPU cooler is dual fan with one intake from front side and one exhaust into the case exhaust. Top vent passive exhaust.

zinc matrix
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And what is the Problem? That Cooling is total fine!

frosty halo
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My 2070s is undervolted to 735(iirc) mv and it is stable at 1925 which is only 25mhz below stock sustained boost. Cpu is undervolted too but for ryzen it’s a boost benefit.

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No problem at all. I’m just saying im crazy about cool temps.

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The lower they are the happier I am

zinc matrix
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ahh you are not the dude that was afraid his ssd gets to hot^^

frosty halo
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Nah I couldn’t give a shit

zinc matrix
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than why do you tell me al this xDDD

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GTX 1650 Super or GTX 1050 Ti look good to me i live in US

frosty halo
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If I had a nvme which is only a step above what I currently have I wouldn’t worry

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than why do you tell me al this xDDD
@zinc matrix cause it’s been a long time i talked about pc stuff with anyone :((

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I’m still waiting for 3080s to come in stock here in UK

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Scan has 2.5k unfulfilled back orders and other retailers are choking too. Probably won’t get my hands on one until March.

zinc matrix
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@zinc matrix do not get the 1050ti it has almost the half of cuda cores of the 1650 super

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o okay

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@frosty halo i see^^ i wait for amd

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if i had a big budget

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i would wait for amd

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na you need cuda corse for Tenserflow

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ye

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amd has no cuda cores

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ye

frosty halo
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I think you can get some cheap second hand Rtx cards too

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But the obvious downside is warranty and not knowing how long they’ve been used and how hard they were pushed

zinc matrix
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@zinc matrix just look at how much cuda cores you can get for your money.

frosty halo
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I think it’s tensor cores he’s after

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Cuda is something a little different

zinc matrix
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i hardly ever did tensorflow lol

frosty halo
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Iirc

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Tensor cores aren’t for that

zinc matrix
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@frosty halo He needs Cuda Cores.

frosty halo
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What’s he trying to do?

zinc matrix
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TensorFlow

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frosty halo
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Oh right it’s not a graphics thing he wants.

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Yeah in which case you’re right.

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I thought he was after something else

zinc matrix
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i started ue4 and i noticed everything is mushy and laggy and i can hardly read the text when in game

twin birch
zinc matrix
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@zinc matrix yes because you need a dedicated GPU

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The 1650 super is ok but it will limit you one day but at the moment for learning it is fast enough.

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o okay

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thanks

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you are welcome.

foggy path
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there should be a Wild Wild West mod for RDR2

north torrent
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I'm going to make orange juice.

median wraith
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Only happen on big textures?

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I never used more than 4k

soft night
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soon more than 8K

zinc matrix
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stiff crystal
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T-8m now

soft night
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and landing 100%

fresh heath
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Does everyone always write cover letters for their job applications? I know cover letters aren't really a thing in Russia, but what about the rest of the world? Is it a red flag not to attach a cover letter to your CV?

chrome perch
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Hows everyone doing. Me and my team are currently looking for a couple 3d character modelers who would be interested in joining our team. We are currently looking to get crowdfunded once we finish our games demo and trailer. If interested you can send me a dm on messenger. Thank you

fresh heath
chrome perch
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@fresh heath thank you

fresh heath
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There are links to the relevant patches in this task, both of them aren't on the master branch yet

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I would expect the reverse

potent birch
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Hi there! I'm John. i am new here and also new in unreal engine. i was following a youtube tutorial on how to start a shooting game but there was no tut about how i make my character move while shooting . im sorry this sounds kinda basic but as of now im finding my way through it

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yeah sorry my bad 😄

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i posted in animation i think my problem is in the animation stuff

cursive crypt
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Blender texture painting is neat. In fact it has more tools and options (+ easy material graphs) than SubPainter. Ofc, it lacks other features. However! It is freaking unstable and you may crash it after few strokes. Also slow...

north torrent
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Zbrush is life.

cursive crypt
bronze axle
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@cursive crypt They've been spending too much time on Twitter.

cursive crypt
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Nah, just normal blend mask.

bronze axle
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Also, hello loungers. 👋

cursive crypt
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You think? Is it a reference joke?

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Hello 🙂

bronze axle
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I just know there are ridiculous conversations on Twitter about the truthiness of 2+2=5.

cursive crypt
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Have to try it then. Regretfully I was banned for a time due my stubbornness I'm right with my math.

bronze axle
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Lame.

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It's probably a bug in their validation code.

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That's just what the image made me think of. 😅

cursive crypt
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Its these bbb forum boards or what was the name.

bronze axle
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Yeah, bulletin boards. Old school forums. I remember.

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Used to be called BB forums for short, right? Man, that was a long time ago.

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BBCode.

cursive crypt
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phpBB

bronze axle
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Wow, throwback.

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Yeah dude.

cursive crypt
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Melancholy... I like them.

bronze axle
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phpBB was a popular one.

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Before vBulletin even.

cursive crypt
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Wait, my memory is flashing history.

bronze axle
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A wave of nostalgia washes over you.

cursive crypt
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Anyway, it does not work 🤷‍♂️
(kicks it out)

bronze axle
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What are you up to today?

cursive crypt
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Nah... Turned out the js registration request was blocked by an extension. All hail to phpBB.

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I'm into texture painting these days 😄 Crashing, lagging, fixing seams and stuff.

median wraith
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good morning!

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lets save the world another day

plucky pagoda
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I still use phpBB on one of my sites.

bronze axle
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Fun. Kickin' it old school.

plucky pagoda
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Lol. What would you use? vBulletin costs too much.

bronze axle
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Woah, it's still supported.

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If I were to start a forum today, I would use Discourse.

plucky pagoda
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oh, hadn't seen that one

bronze axle
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Free, open-source, runs on a $5 VPS.

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Fantastic features and customization.

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The pricing on that page is for a hosted service. You can easily host it yourself as I mentioned. 🙂

plucky pagoda
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Ah, ok

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idk, phpBB is pretty easy to use

cursive crypt
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Ah... I have seen that Discourse around. Think even Blender artists or something is using it.

median wraith
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how ofter is harder to you replicate an old system you created and port into a new shape, than actually create it another new one from ground ?

cursive crypt
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Just use the old one, lol

bronze axle
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idk, phpBB is pretty easy to use
@plucky pagoda If it works, it works.

median wraith
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Just use the old one, lol
@cursive crypt yeah that were the idea, but is too extend that I end faster creating a simple new base ?

plucky pagoda
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i tried using a joomla one a while back and got tired of all the time I was spending learning stuff. If all I did was websites it'd be different.

bronze axle
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I never liked Joomla. Tried it years ago when I did WordPress theme dev.

cursive crypt
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@median wraith mm, sorry, kinda didn't got what you have said.

plucky pagoda
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Yeah, I was trying to find an alternative to Wordpress. I know it gets heat for being insecure but it's friggin so easy to use as a CMS

bronze axle
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I use Ghost these days.

cursive crypt
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Wordpress, lmao. Just made a post before few years and forgot. I'm not a blogger material it seems 🤔

plucky pagoda
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It's just a wordpress theme

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i never update the site though, tend to forget it's there

bronze axle
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Fun. I dig the pixel torches.

plucky pagoda
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Cool, yeah it's a free theme I modified

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thought about adding some old school annoying music to the background for that geocities feel

cursive crypt
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Pixels are love.

median wraith
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@cursive crypt had a whole audio player made in C++, its about 6k lines in a single file, and now I have to make another player but is different because isn't to play external music etc, but both share same audio features, so ended remaking a new system for the new audio system as just need some parts... rather than copy pasting the old one and rewiring things

cursive crypt
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Copy, paste and adapting is fine.

median wraith
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Yeah for me works but only if I do on small chunks, for the whole file or alike usually to me is a lost of wasted time etc

cursive crypt
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Yep, usually you first put on a concept and pull the pieces as you go.

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I thought you were asking just for a system recreation, just for some really not important features. If your requirements change, your software likely too.

median wraith
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yeah more about the total vs small chunks workflow

cursive crypt
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Technically there is no golden approach, but this one work for the most parts. In more sw industry out there (not the gaming one, lol) there is a specific process to follow. Not because of bureaucracy, but it does help keep your head on specific points.

buoyant sedge
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Is there a section for collaboration for learning purposes?

bronze axle
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Is there a section for collaboration for learning purposes?
@buoyant sedge What do you mean?

buoyant sedge
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I want to collaborate with people and do a project for the purpose of learning together

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I am not looking to make a project to get paid from

cursive crypt
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game-jams, or the job boards channels

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Free work is welcome 🙂

buoyant sedge
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How do you post on the job board channel ? @cursive crypt

cursive crypt
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There are pinned instructions.

buoyant sedge
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OK found it thnx

paper aurora
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epic launcher is made using unreal engine too?

median wraith
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YES

paper aurora
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wtf

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because the program layout and its logs are so similar

median wraith
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well because is the engine

paper aurora
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using unreal engine for simple launcher sounds overkill to me lmao

median wraith
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isn't just a launcher, anyway apps are made based on huge libs aka Qt

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as an example

frosty halo
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Is it really made in engine? Cause the layout keeps breaking for me. If I resize the launcher, hovering over button X actually highlights button Y next to X. It’s annoying af. I wouldn’t thought that’s something that shouldn’t happen if it was rendered in-engine.

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It feels more like shit responsive design / css than anything else.

tidal ivy
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it's an electron app

foggy path
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It's a mix of the two most resource consuming platforms they could think of alex

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They still haven't fixed the issue where it keeps consuming CPU even if not visible, unless you press the minimize button

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At least it looks to be consuming a little less CPU now, it's not maxing an entire core anymore :P

frosty halo
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It explains a lot then. I keep having to fight the layout

north torrent
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Angus sky pepper fort.

fresh heath
median wraith
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@tidal ivy are you sure ?
the whole launcher is build over UE4 and there are no node libs or alike....
A different topic is the fact the whole browser for web etc is under chromium integrated engine ala electron aka CEF

fresh heath
zinc matrix
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eae

soft night
cursive crypt
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Nice!

foggy path
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Took them a while to figure that out

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I wonder how much of it is because of the negative backlash :P

frosty halo
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Would never have thought they had the balls

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Regarding the Youtube-DL claim

cursive crypt
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They even put out a 1M fund to resolve such cases.

frosty halo
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Yeah good on them. It’s about time more people get on board with repealing a law that is not fit for purpose.

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Most people on twitch are afraid to play a YouTube video or a certain game for fear of a DMCA strike.

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And it’s their livelihood.

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It’s absolutely mad that just because a 1-3 minute segment of an 8 hour stream has a specific sound, track or video that all the lawyers come out swinging dicks

cursive crypt
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In this particular case it was even more weird. They took down the project because someone was using it to download some pop ass music.

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Kinda... Let's take down all knives because someone is using it as weapon. The others just use it to slice their bread.

foggy path
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It wasn't really because someone was using it to do that

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the argumentation was more that it was designed to circumvent copyright controls as was evident by their examples using youtube links to copyrighted material

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frankly I suspect majority of ytdl use is downloading copyrighted material, but the DMCA thing was still pretty dumb

cursive crypt
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The dmca notice on the github page specially mentioned 3 pop musicians.

fresh heath
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What's going on with the new AMD GPU?
@median wraith What is going on with it?

median wraith
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I see a lot of news today about that's faster than any Nvidia etc

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are for servers and datacenters anyway

zinc matrix
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Hello guys, I am currently using unreal engine 4.23.1 but I want to switch to 4.24 or 4.25... the problem is that the engine always crashes with a version higher than 4.23.1... any fixes?

fresh heath
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You can try to check the log first

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It's in the Saved folder

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Maybe it will tell you why the crash happens

soft night
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AMD thing? i dont get those parts

rich quiver
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@paper aurora unreal engine slate is use the unreal engine part of the launcher

heady ingot
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I started the 5 hour long video of unreal engine 4 programming tutorial on YouTube by freecodecamp and it’s honestly a great tutorial

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I wouldn’t say it’s for beginners that don’t know pointers yet, learn pointers and classes first

fluid bloom
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@zinc matrix you don't have to spam your game dev discord via direct messages...

zinc matrix
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?

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@fluid bloom

foggy path
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It always makes me wonder if people really think that DM'ing random people with links will make them join their servers lol

rich quiver
chrome rampart
humble remnant
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That's some good progress on DMCA stuff

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But can we get an actual rewrite of that entire thing

soft night
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its closing

broken sigil
soft night
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they showed feed from dragon capsule earlier from the window and so round

broken sigil
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WHAT?
It must be flat

soft night
broken sigil
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I'm joking btw if it wasn't obvious lol

rich quiver
spice viper
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so i used a bug with loba in apex legends to go inside the map and found this graphical glitch ive noticed its happend if you fall out of the map when walking off the edge to but IDK how this visual glitch even exist in the first place like in all the game engines i used i don't see them doing this if the camera clips into the inside the map like what's happening here anyone have any ideas just wonder how this screen glitch happens

rich quiver
static cosmos
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You're playing a game like mario-kart and there is that "ink effect" that covers up your screen and makes it hard to see. Now, with human players, you don't really need to do much. Let the ink hit the screen and watch them flounder around for a bit. However, if there is AI on the map, what kind of behaviour would you expect from AI to mimic that?

dim ruin
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well, @static cosmos , after this year, I would expect them to proclaim that the ink is a hoax and that its their freedom to drive with or without ink, possibly even sparking an impromptu protest.

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but I'm not sure if you're looking for that kind of realism

silent willow
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the new mascot for slackers..

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is

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FIVUS

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please upvote

dim ruin
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eh

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$60's pretty steep for such a narrow topic

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and maybe I'm just a stickler but they didn't proofread their ad

#

but I'm also broke and cheap so I may be biased

#

and what nodes exactly is he talking about? like, how materials translate between the two?

#

yeah thats kind of what I gathered too. basically saying we'll be doing it all in UE4

#

what an odd sales pitch. where is this thing? I'd like to troll it

#

ah gotcha

spice viper
#

anyone know how UE and UE games runs on AMD or non NVIDA GPUs because I've heard some complain about performance not being good compared to NVIDA

dim ruin
#

ooooh that OpenVFX ahaha yeah I've got that pos on mine too

#

@spice viper UE4 should be just fine on AMD. I mean, PhysX is all CPU-bound in UE4 anyway so that won't matter

spice viper
#

their also was some people saying that it didn't work as well on non intel processers but that was 4 years ago and I've played UE games on switch & IOS that worked just fine so i guess that's not really an issue

dim ruin
#

I can't speak for iOS because I've been on the IHateApple team way before Epic got on the wagon but unless outdated hardware or drivers are in question, I honestly think it should be fine on either chip

#

If its players that you're hearing that from, ignore it completely. The average gamer doesn't know their ass from a register

spice viper
#

yeah main thing I'm worried about for platforms is MAC OS and IOS because that would be bad to lose those platforms

dim ruin
#

heh yeah, that can of worms. Not sure what the longterm will hold for that but for now the courts have ordered apple to keep that access there for the engine

spice viper
#

yeah i also hope that we could see some sort of UE launcher for Linux so you don't always have to build from source and can get access to the market place and just general performance improvments

broken sigil
#

If its players that you're hearing that from, ignore it completely. The average gamer doesn't know their ass from a register
this ^^

#

Reading commends on 5950x reviews lol
It so funny when someone acts like they know what they are talking about but in reality they don't know crap

"Oh yes let me move this gameplay logic to the GPU real quick"

#

So these people want a walking simulator, that's what I'm getting from these 😐

plucky pagoda
#

Wow, that FIVUS talk was off the hook.

soft night
#

docking we go

scenic raven
#

Hi

bronze axle
#

We have created a monster.

broken sigil
#

👀

cursive crypt
#

omg, that kinda newer Control panel in win10 is garbage in general. Now I can't even find how to change my env variables.

bronze axle
#

Just type "env" in the search. It should come up right away.

cursive crypt
#

No results. I kinda was able to locate it after 10 minutes in the old control panel applet.

bronze axle
#

That's odd.

cursive crypt
#

In that new fancy one I now found it: System -> About -> Advanced

#

No, nothing there too.

#

Just some files are popping.

bronze axle
#

Might be something about the way I have Windows 10 setup.

#

I customize it a lot when I first install, to get rid of bloat and stuff I don't need.

cursive crypt
#

I think I'm with Home too, not sure whether it affects this.

bronze axle
#

Ah. Not sure, but I do have Pro.

#

That might also be related.

cursive crypt
#

Havent' changed these in a lot of time. Suddenly everything has new interface and access. I feel like old man complaining.

#

I wanted to do a bit of work out of my comp, so I thought let listen to a video meanwhile. Turns out that the dude speaks under his nose, so I said, lets download and up the audio. Turns out my ffmpeg is broken, needs to reinstall. Then turns out I can't find my Path. So... 30 min later.

foggy path
#

typing env into the box works for me too on win10 home

#

but yeah the control panel is a bit confusing :P

#

they're in like a limbo between new style and old style control panels

fluid bloom
#

I also don't necessarily agree with how they categorize them

foggy path
#

the BP channel definitely was the topmost channel there yesterday... :D

cursive crypt
#

Conspiracy

foggy path
#

This clearly means they're going to remove BP from UE

#

they're going to slowly start moving the channel further down like this so less people realize it exists

cursive crypt
#

Holy molly! Now it starts to make sense with ue5 coming.

fluid bloom
#

Unrealscript V5 is a go

foggy path
#

They're going to make the engine source closed so you can't use C++ and implement Lua

#

This is confirmed if you look at the moon in Fortnite

median wraith
#

Unrealscript V5 is a go
@fluid bloom the opus magnum, well that was a v8 🤔

#

@foggy path You will be kicked to the moon then, so you can feel the pleasure the first

#

:p

foggy path
#

See they're already trying to silence me for speaking the truth

north torrent
#

The Ryzen 5900x is finally in stock.

cursive crypt
#

Isn't it 59x0?

#

i.e. = 0

north torrent
#

It goes 5600, 5800, 5900, 5950 in the consumer lineup.

Last time there was a 3700, but no news on that existing this time.

#

Then the Threadrippers will probably by 5970x, 5990x or whatever.

#

Even the 5900x is a bit overkill for me though, so I'm not going to wait for the new Threadrippers to be released.

#

Who even compiles code in 2020 anyways?

raven tiger
#

It's so chaotic, why compile anything? xD

north torrent
#

Why is code even a thing?

raven tiger
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

north torrent
#

I'm going to buy food.

raven tiger
#

Okay, buy good food then.

north torrent
#

Chinese food?

raven tiger
#

Sure

median wraith
#

is this a date ?

raven tiger
#

😉

north torrent
#

When in China all food is Chinese food.

#

I'm going to get Chinese Pizza Hut.

ancient hornet
#

when in France

median wraith
#

aka

#

bocata

ancient hornet
foggy path
#

That looks delicious

median wraith
foggy path
#

here in Finland they have rye bread based burgers

#

I've never tried one because my stomach doesn't handle rye bread very well for some reason, but rye bread is pretty tasty

ancient hornet
#

it's pretty fine, the mustard base sauce is ok and the bread is crunchy as it should 🙂

#

(I mean the French one)

raven tiger
#

That looks like a good meal, my lunch looks like that today, getting it in ~30 minutes. 😄

north torrent
#

I have had that cheeseburger here in China actually, Mr. Stof.

raven tiger
#

😮

north torrent
#

It was a limited time thing. They also had a version with shrimp on it.

#

There is also a cheeseburger with mini bratwursts on top.

raven tiger
#

🙂

ancient hornet
#

yeah it is a limited time thing, in fact it's not even available in France much (it just has been returned recently)

#

I like how regional McDonalds can get 😄 in Portugal they have varied soups for example

raven tiger
#

xD

ancient hornet
raven tiger
#

I do not think Danish McDonalds has anything special

mossy nexus
#

Scottish ones have the choice of extra fat. Deep Fried Mars Bars, and option for ambulance on stand by.

cursive crypt
#

🙄 now I am really hungry

raven tiger
#

same

median wraith
#

WHAT THE

dim ruin
#

omg I'm watching The Secret to My Success and ugh I miss these 80's movies with Michael J. Fox so much!

median wraith
#

we got this I bet

#

lol

#

and that ?

fluid bloom
#

rye burger

#

eugh

cursive crypt
#

Hevedy, you must be an oracle. The 1st pic is what I'm almost what I am munching on currently.

fluid bloom
#

I don't think rye mixes well with meat

#

at least hamburger meat

cursive crypt
#

Huh, why not?

median wraith
#

hahaah @cursive crypt yeah know the food from here usually, there is another one that just have tomato XD

fluid bloom
#

I dunno

#

on the other hand rye bread + cheese + metwurst + pickles = awesome

#

🤷‍♂️

cursive crypt
#

F, I have also pickle I did recently.

median wraith
#

yeah that one is normal bread

cursive crypt
#

Is that Brie?!

#

Nah, some other cheese.

median wraith
#

let me check

#

says its goat cheese

#

deluxe prime but no more info

#

didn't know they have this kind of table

#

says the things it contains

#

And the ther one looks more interesting to me

cursive crypt
#

Yeah, that was my other bet. Looks like goat cheese. Soft ones.

#

What about calories?

median wraith
#

gouda cheese idk what that is

#

Truffle flavor sauce things

#

What about calories?
@cursive crypt nope, just these things for people that can't eat some elements

#

these allergic or whatever

cursive crypt
#

Yeah, since an year or two it was mandatory each food to explicitly mention the most common allergens.

median wraith
#

anyway I usually go Burger King over Mc Donalds

#

still no one of two put me on the table a nice looking burger like these

cursive crypt
#

Sometimes I wish I had food delivery service available around.

median wraith
#

I think this ones have, but when worked near home in the office the fridays we order food but you rather order from other place

#

and still the burger were super expensive for what it had

#

I paid once 15€ for a burger with less things than the one in that image

#

no drink no more just the burger

ancient hornet
#

I like Burger King too but they are a little too "much"
at times he simplicity of a McDonald's CheeseBurger is what you want 😮

#

the good local burger joins also tend to go for rather extravagant stuff 😄

cursive crypt
#

The arab burgers also nice. Very messy tho.

median wraith
#

Last time I were at one of these were with a date from these apps like more than 1 year ago

#

Now I don't go to any of the two fast food sites

#

🤖

#

maybe order a pizza better than that

#

but yeah are places you usually don't want to go

#

the good local burger joins also tend to go for rather extravagant stuff 😄
@ancient hornet these are the best

#

I hate once one with asparagus and all on it

#

wasn't a good experience as it wet all the burger

#

XD

ancient hornet
#

there was that comté + advogado burger that was just ...
but the place closed 😢

cursive crypt
#

Marinated? Asparagus, fresh ones are not so... wet.

median wraith
#

yeah a lot of places are closing here

#

@cursive crypt the ones white wet from bottle

#

yeah that wasn't a good idea from the creator to put it

#

maybe the fresh ones could be a good idea

cursive crypt
#

Fresh ones are also great ingredient for sushi.

median wraith
#

no fan of sushi tbh

#

I actually try to stay away from fresh sea/ocean things

fluid bloom
#

lol why

median wraith
#

as that awesome worms

fluid bloom
#

eh

median wraith
#

a lot of cases in last years in hospitals etc

#

if you get the worm you keep for the rest of your life fucked

fluid bloom
#

over here fish are flash frozen to kill parasites

#

at least all sushi fish

#

and I think over the counter fish too

median wraith
#

oh that good to know, the thing is idk if they do the same here

cursive crypt
#

Salmon is mostly farmed anyway, its like buying a chicken. They are sterilized.

ancient hornet
#

by regulation all sushi fish needs to be frozen yes

median wraith
#

here we had cases from sushy places etc

#

so you don't really know what the hell they do

cursive crypt
#

That bad.

median wraith
#

but yeah... no far in the time like 10 years ago the common were to go the main market of the city and buy fresh fish

#

never frozen etc

#

when the worm and that wasn't a common

ancient hornet
#

well the fish you bought was meant to be cooked anyway 😛

#

which should solve the problem as well as freezing no?

median wraith
#

yeah but usually depend of how you cook it don't reach x temps or whatever at some spots

#

is better to freeze

#

must be like 2 days min in a common house freezer

#

from what they said

#

you got the other worm too from meal

#

XD

#

in that case isn't much you can do I bet other than cook well the whole meat all sides

fallow finch
#

Goodday guys

#

Why i feel very busy these days i cant even scratch my head

#

chompy 😋

#

I even doing nothing but idk why im busy

north torrent
#

I'm going to build my new computer on Saturday.

fallow finch
#

Congratz

#

What Specs

mossy nexus
#

Who is Saturday and why are you building a computer on them?

fallow finch
#

Saturday Computer Services

tulip orbit
#

oddly specific fetish

fallow finch
#

Interitus

#

Whats up mate you still here

tulip orbit
#

YAO

fallow finch
#

Im still here also as you see

#

😋

#

How its going

tulip orbit
#

cant complain too loudly I guess

#

gonna play AC:odyssey all day 🙂

fallow finch
#

Yes its too quite here

#

@tulip orbit i wanna buy it 😩 6453_pepefrog

tulip orbit
#

Odyssey, the last one, not the newest one 🙂 should be decently priced now

#

I cant afford the new one either 😦

fallow finch
#

Valhalla the latest true

#

But i wanna buy The Ancestors Human Kind Odyssey

tulip orbit
#

?

#

brb, need my morning smoke 😦

fallow finch
#

Ok smoke mate

north torrent
#

Ryzen 5900x
32gb 3600hz RAM
RTX 2070
3.5 TB (1tb PCIe 4.0 NVMe 500gb NVMe 1tb SATA SSD *2)

#

And the whole thing is 24 * 22 * 16cm big...

tulip orbit
#

now I'm lightheaded. 🥴

north torrent
median wraith
#

when you mute someone on twitter

#

if tag you get noticed ?

tulip orbit
north torrent
#

My 10 year old system still works. But it isn't going to let me push the limits of 3d artwork.

fallow finch
#

@north torrent goodluck

north torrent
#

I don't believe in luck.

fresh heath
#

The true suffering is using a single-core Celeron with an integrated GPU from 2007 in 2015

#

I managed to beat Portal 2 on this machine somehow

#

The average fps was, like, 4

#

It couldn't run anything on Unreal Engine 3

median wraith
#

Well no 10 years but 5 and keeps here, not doing realistic things anymore

#

Well I lied, never did it hehe

foggy path
#

Looks like they fixed the channel order

#

so much for my theory

ancient hornet
#

wasn't the biggest flaw in the theory the fact that the moderators here don't really know what is going on inside Epic anyway? 🙂

foggy path
#

Who told you that? Probably the mods themselves

#

So obviously you can't trust that to be true

ancient hornet
#

but they don't have the Epic Staff tag!

fresh heath
#

What theory?

#

so much for my theory
@foggy path

foggy path
#

I was saying they're clearly planning on phasing out blueprints entirely, and they're starting by slowly moving the blueprints channel down in the channels list so people don't realize it exists

cursive crypt
#

It did moved down, so your theory is correct.

#

They will likely phase out blueprints for ue5. Likely replaced by x-prints, secret tech in development.

foggy path
#

Well I mean they moved it back

#

:D

timid tundra
soft night
#

9d blueprints are supreme

mossy nexus
#

Bargain!

#

There was a guy a few months ago wanting bespoke UI, inventory system etc etc. He was expecting to pay a couple of hundred.

shut bloom
foggy path
#

meanwhile people are getting upset at apple because of the "mac calls apple every time you open an app" debacle, and swearing to never use another apple product

noble arch
#

Sounds like a heavy crackdown on Hackintoshes

ancient hornet
#

interesting performance

#

not sure Intel needed that kick in the balls though, AMD was doing it fine no? 😄

fringe sundial
#

amd doesnt do low power cpus

ancient hornet
#

well I guess AMD is kicking the left ball and Apple the right then

shut bloom
#

RIP amd/intel

fluid bloom
#

doubt that

#

the world runs on x86

fringe sundial
#

@fluid bloom apple can emulate x86 code on those arms

fluid bloom
#

oh god that's horrible

cursive crypt
#

Can't unsee.

#

Mods, help!

ancient hornet
#

I just don't want Apple in that position even if those new CPUs are very tasty 😄

lucid walrus
#

An Apple engineer posted on Twitter that I think some sort of NSObject reference counting took 60 nanoseconds on Intel, 5 on the M1, and x86 emulated on M1 took 14...

fluid bloom
#

@fringe sundial so are those comparisons all targetting x86 architecture?

#

like the webkit compile time is compiling for x86 target?

#

in all cases?

lucid walrus
#

but M1 is highly optimized for Apple stuff... doubt it will be as fast if Microsoft managed to port Windows onto it

fringe sundial
#

@fluid bloom webkit is being compiled most likely for arm. But its compiled with an arm-compiled compiler

fluid bloom
#

if it's arm for some and x86 for some then they really aren't that comparable, no?

fringe sundial
#

it is

#

because the inmense mayority of the compile time actually isnt the instruction output

#

compiling for x86 and arm takes basically the same amount of time

#

they are running LLVM

#

this has a few layers

fluid bloom
#

yeah, ir and then machine code generation

fringe sundial
#

Clang (cpp compiler) (huge amount of time spent here couse Cpp is retarded) -> C AST -> LLVM IR -> LLVM optimizations (most time spent here) -> instruction output

#

instruction output goes at very high speed

fluid bloom
#

but LLVM optimization also probably has to consider what sort of instructions are available on the architecture?

fringe sundial
#

not for like 90% of them

fluid bloom
#

I see

fringe sundial
#

inmense mayority of LLVM passes run on LLVM IR

#

and dont really care that much about the arch

#

tho there are some tweaks

#

what is arch specific is register naming and instruction output

#

register allocation can be slow couse its a unsolvable algorithm

#

but in this case.... arm has more registers than x86 has

#

so its easier on arm lol

#

but even then, its really not that big of a % of the total compile time

#

specially when we are talking about Cpp programs

fluid bloom
#

I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from uni's computer architecture course

fringe sundial
#

in Cpp programs most of the time is spent on Cpp fuckery

lucid walrus
fringe sundial
#

the problem in Cpp is the untold amounts of repeated work

#

every header gets reprocessed and reprocessed and reprocessed...

#

its stupid beyond any measure

fluid bloom
#

well it does have its benefits when you have a ridiculous core count in your CPU 😛

fringe sundial
#

no it doesnt lol

#

btw, Visual studio is adding module support

cursive crypt
#

reprocessed each time? 🤔

fringe sundial
#

its still beyond early, but you can start to tinker with it

#

do you know what i found?

#

a 100x compile time boost

fluid bloom
#

oh, nice

fringe sundial
#

because you can do "import vector"

#

and then, instead of copypasting the vector header into your cpp file and compiling everything

#

it just loads the precompiled data for that header

#

so its instant

fluid bloom
#

I maybe didn't remember the article correct...

#

it could've been about compilation speed increase vs. core count

fringe sundial
#

the article was utter bullshit

ancient hornet
#

C++ compilation can take a LOT of times when you look at your template code an notice it's O(n^3) in the number of types it needs to create for your tuple like type 😄

fluid bloom
#

where a header system enjoyed a more linear increase in speed

fringe sundial
#

its bullshit

fluid bloom
#

and the module system didn't

#

maybe, I didn't really look into it

fringe sundial
#

still absolute bullshit. I know what article you are talking about

#

the issue is that it was using autogenerated projects

fluid bloom
#

oh, good. I wasn't dreaming then 😄

fringe sundial
#

that were, of sorts, pathological projects

#

real projects dont have such an absolutely retarded header dependency graph

#

the big issue with modules is really architectural

#

you need to rearchitect your program

#

as an example

fluid bloom
#

I wonder if ue5 uses cpp modules or not 🤔

fringe sundial
#

circular dependencies are banned

#

and you cant forward declare

#

this is... a pain

#

i dont know how the fuck to architect projects with modules just yet

#

i was trying to port a project i have to modules and was suffering significantly

#

but where modules excel

#

is in single-file-libraries type stuff

#

in there its just amazing

#

for your actual app they are such a goddamn pain. But if you can split your app into standalone-ish small libs, modules will help you a lot

cursive crypt
#

Is that 20 out? 🤔 Haven't played with it.

fringe sundial
#

yes

cursive crypt
#

So, give or take 1-2 years until tools got good support.

fluid bloom
#

meh, can't be harder to architecture than with rust 😛

shut bloom
#

use Go and never look back 👼

fluid bloom
#

lolno

#

can't say go has any killer features I'd need

cursive crypt
#

lmao, compared with Python

shut bloom
#

3 year old article

ancient hornet
#

still relevant since Go still doesn't have generics 😛

cursive crypt
#

Also, what so much with these benchmarks about speed. Each lang is useful for certain applications. There are so many more things other than speed.

ancient hornet
#

if your language doesn't have generics, your users will reinvent them, badly

shut bloom
#

beautiful

cursive crypt
#

Generic addiction? 😄

shut bloom
#
for data in dexes.iter() {
    let dex = dex::DexFile::new(data);
    let dex_classes = dex.parse_classes();

    results.extend(dex_classes.par_iter().map(|cls| {
        let unicode_name = mutf8::decode(cls.name).into_owned() + ".class";

        let res = panic::catch_unwind(panic::AssertUnwindSafe(|| {
            Ok(jvm::writeclass::to_class_file(&cls, opts))
        })).unwrap_or_else(|err| {
            let error_string = err.downcast::<String>().map(|b| *b).or_else(|err| {
                err.downcast::<&'static str>().map(|s| s.to_string())
            }).unwrap_or("panic with unknown type".to_string());
            Err(error_string)
        });
        (unicode_name, res)
    }).collect::<Vec<_>>());
}
fluid bloom
#

#1 killer feature of rust (for me): if it compiles it runs without crashing

shut bloom
#

rust is worse syntax wise than C++

#

no thanks for me

fluid bloom
#

worse?

cursive crypt
#

Reminds me of Ruby

fluid bloom
#

I mean, you get lifetime annotations, that's pretty much it

#

and turbofish 😄

ancient hornet
#

I'm not fan of the ML syntax either for sure

fluid bloom
#

it doesn't look like ML? 🤔

#
fun reverse [] = []
  | reverse (x::xs) = (reverse xs) @ [x]

I mean, that reminds me of haskell more 😄

cursive crypt
#

Damn... Started few times with Haskell and I kinda like it, but never got the time to dig deeper.

fresh heath
#

I wonder how fast the Arm Mac Pro is going to be

ancient hornet
#

it's not the exact same syntax but it has heavily influenced Haskell and Rust 😛

fluid bloom
#

my take on rust vs c family (+ java) syntax: it's practically the same except return value types are after the function parameter list

fresh heath
#

The CPU cores don't take the majority of space on the M1 chip, more than a half of it goes to the GPU and other stuff, and then there is the Firestorm/Icestorm setup to reduce power consumption

#

How would a Threadripper-like Apple Silicon chip perform, with Firestorm cores taking the entire die?

shut bloom
#

C++ template hell symptoms

fluid bloom
#

I'm guessing warp relies quite heavily on macros 😄

#

I'm waiting for rocket's 0.5 version

frosty halo
#

Jesus. F. Christ. What is that error output.

ancient hornet
#

nested types

frosty halo
#

I mean yeah, but also - who wrote that.

#

It’s.. eww

#

Then again it’s probably on par with pythons errors

#

If you don’t implement your shit with proper error handling - 80-90% of your time is gonna be scrolling through a monumental trace back stack looking for something.

ancient hornet
#

it's a chain of function calls each returning a new type nested from the parent

frosty halo
#

Like I get that, I just mean it reads like shit

#

Comparable with the above. Etc etc.

#

If that chain was intentional - it wasn’t done well.

#

In fact why would you need this many chained calls to begin with? There’s plenty of other ways to handle passing data from one function to another through traits or otherwise.

ancient hornet
#

it's LINQ like stuff I guess

#

hmm, the M1 chip seems somewhat on par with a Ryzen 7 4800U

fluid bloom
#

@shut bloom I think some recent nightly compiler change reduces the nesting a bit

#

can't really remember which version, maybe try compiling with latest nightly?

median wraith
#

We launched a satellite and lost it in 10 minutes

#

Thats the resume of my country

fluid bloom
#

we have nodejs running on a satellite

#

oh, actually we have not 😄

#

You may remember our previous communication about a Node.js satellite. While we didn’t end up using actual Javascript on the satellite, the core promise of using a high level scripting language to run the satellite did become reality.

median wraith
#

Who needs 200 millions of euros anyway

fluid bloom
#

I think equatorial position is the best

#

rockets launched from equator get a speed boost due to earth's rotation

#

can be done from here, the rocket launches would just need more fuel and would cost more

#

(hyvää huomenta means good morning)

ancient hornet
#

well I did get up super late to work because I was too tired so obviously it wasn't a good morning

#

checkmate

fresh heath
dusky shuttle
#

I'm looking for a project management system to coordinate work between people who don't work in the same location, any ideas?

#

Preferably free for a small team

foggy path
#

Trello and Asana could be options

#

Basecamp perhaps, not sure how their pricing is though

dusky shuttle
#

Thanks

fluid bloom
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github has some too

chilly igloo
cursive crypt
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lmao, dude is good

pearl pewter
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Im hyped!

humble remnant
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Old

fluid bloom
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May 13, 2020

median wraith
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lmao

fresh heath
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No

fresh heath
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Stop eating meat so that CEOs could keep flying on their private jets every day

north torrent
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If all the regular people became vegan and recycled and rode bicycles to work and never traveled on airplanes and stop using straws... It still wouldn't matter.

Because the corporations would still ruin the environment and we would be screwed anyways.

Trying to shift the blame onto individuals because they used too many plastic bags at Walmart is just a form of gaslighting so the corporations can get away with murder while the average people are distracted with guilt.

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If you want to make a difference with global warming, don't focus on using paper straws or shaming people not to do blah blah blah. Vote and support politicians that will regulate corporations.

bold fulcrum
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Keep your dirty mitts away of aviation, will ya. Last lines of civilization hang on it.

fluid bloom
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lol, it took me this long to realize that the guy drumming in the video above is singing Ievan Polkka

turbid willow
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is there a channel for UnrealJS?

fresh heath
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No

spice viper
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any one know why putting even just a basic Godot 3 project into Godot 4 makes all the scenes unopen able completely breaking everything

spare glade
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Considering this is an Unreal Engine server i doubt anyone would know lol.

spice viper
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also since epics not in the best place with apple it may not happpen but i like to have my projects support as many platforms as possible

dense atlas
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Anyone else annoyed at lack of raytracing info on AMD cards dropping tomorrow? I really want to get RTGI implemented in my project.

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Not impressed, thinking might have to wait for the next batch of Nvidia cards to dev with (3080ti?)

fresh heath
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They support DXR and Vulkan's RT extensions https://www.khronos.org/blog/ray-tracing-in-vulkan

dense atlas
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I really want to support the underdog, but they have not helped with the silence

quiet narwhal
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its from the official slides

dense atlas
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Yeah but what do RT accelerators do? Are they comparable to Nvidia, all too mysterious to just drop hundreds of $£ day 1

humble remnant
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The RT will be worse than nvidia if the non-RT is the same

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Someone ran a benchmark between 6800XT and 3080 (I believe) and got 470 vs 620 fps respectively or something like that

dense atlas
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I fear the lack of talk means it's not going to be best choice for a dev

humble remnant
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It's gonna be better than RTX on Pascal/non-RTX Turing tho, 100%

dense atlas
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I'm sure it's not junk, it's just I totally want the best RT performance to dev with

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as I'm not anywhere near realease

quiet narwhal
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you wont get that with AMD

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if you could they would have said so

dense atlas
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yup, what I fear, now waiting for team green to get more competitive with pricing 😢

humble remnant
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They didn't make an additional part of the chip to accelerate raytracing tho

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And I believe that's better

dense atlas
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and actually have some stock lol

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only thing that's a plus is it'll be good if you want to release on console

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I just want a damn GI solution that's better than all the half baked stuff I've battled with in Unreal for years

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My game is open world with day night cycle

rich quiver
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@fresh heath DMC5SE use that

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RE engine uses the vulkan framework

broken sigil
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If their RT implementation was anywhere near Nvidia RT cores they would brag about it for sure

dense atlas
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I just think they're being overally cautious on drawing attention to anything that will affect markjeting

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I hate lack of transparency, not won any good vibes from me with it

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I've been supporting them for years so they could get to this point

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I'm not rich enough to just buy 2 GPUs

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high end, at these prices

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I held back on RTX v1 because it seemed like it was going to be early days, rocking 1080

broken sigil
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I just want a damn GI solution that's better than all the half baked stuff I've battled with in Unreal for years
UE5 should have you covered 😛

humble remnant
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Soon(tm)

dense atlas
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yeah but lumin (sic?)will work better on RTX v2

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that's my logic

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yes it will work, I'm sure

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or the new consoles would be sunk

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I'll be pulling UE5 master branch asap

broken sigil
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I don't think Lumin uses raytracing

dense atlas
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of course

broken sigil
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have to watch their presentation again

dense atlas
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it is a raytraced solution

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nanite does the streaming tech

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I'm sure it's DXR based

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but that's semantic

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I think

mint onyx
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Lumen does not require hardware accelerated ray tracing like RTX

dense atlas
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like basically I'm all geared up to port to UE5 before I release with GI

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but it is accelerated with it, right?

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I can't imagine they'd just not bother using the hardware

mint onyx
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no

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it may have optional HW acceleration

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but, like how Nanite doesn't require mesh shaders

broken sigil
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Lumen is combination of Screen space GI, distance field GI and can't remember what the 3d one for up close was

dense atlas
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again, too vague to base purchase on

broken sigil
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voxel based pretty sure

dense atlas
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whatever the case I know these AMD cards will sell out in minuters tomorrow

humble remnant
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I'll probs be sticking with my 1070Ti for a while and I sure hope Nanite/Lumen work decently enough

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But I'd rather go AMD for a new GPU

dense atlas
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it would be great to get started with my 1080

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all I really want right now

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I think this conversation confirms I should just the let the dust settle

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I def want the new 12 core CPU when it's in stock

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would have already bought that

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DFGI was what I was using most recently, if I recall

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doing all kinds of hacks for interior etc

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stuck all my interiors in volumes to switch settings

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wasted so much time trying to get adequate realtime lighting

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still a nightmare to handle when you look out a window

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post process hacks, the works

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I quit and went back to focus on animation when UE5 demo dropped

fresh heath
mint onyx
unborn lotus
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do you guys think the oculus quest 2 is fine for alyx?

sullen flame
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Maybe the only thing I don’t like about it is having to sign in with Facebook

solid aurora
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@dense atlas Lumen does not use RayTracing

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100% confirmed info

fluid bloom
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DXR you mean? 😛

bold fulcrum
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What if Lumen or Lumen is but a Lumen within a Lumen ?

solid aurora
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I mean RayTracing

fluid bloom
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I thought there is screen space raytracing to fill out the smaller details?

solid aurora
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but i;s not hardware

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i never really put it in the same category

fluid bloom
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@solid aurora (I just realized your nick is not inside) yea I'm just being pedantic over here 😛

mossy nexus
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do you guys think the oculus quest 2 is fine for alyx?
@unborn lotus Only if you use a link cable.

unborn lotus
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hmm well I don't have a fast enough wifi and the virtual desktop thing sounds a bit too much trouble, so it will def be with the link. but will you miss any fun without finger tracking? @mossy nexus

fluid bloom
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why on earth are those trees growing at an angle 😄

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in the beginning of the video

mossy nexus
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Naa, finger tracking doesn't add anything. 🙂

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why on earth are those trees growing at an angle 😄
@fluid bloom I remember the early days of ARC. Every damn tree was aligned to normal 😄

fluid bloom
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D:

north torrent
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I just got my Ryzen 5900x.

mossy nexus
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nice

soft night
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apple updated they share take from appstore

foggy path
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did they increase it? :p

soft night
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they cut to 15%

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from 30% to 15%

fluid bloom
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if you earn less than one million usd

foggy path
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That seems not entirely unreasonable

fluid bloom
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yea it sounds okay

ancient hornet
cursive crypt
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Well, most companies have different policy even for below/over 100k

ancient hornet
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it was a pretty cheap move for Apple even 😄

cursive crypt
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But what is the point, they get less money or everyone be treated the same? As I said, most companies in this industry does not treat you the same anyway.

sharp tapir
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I'm spitting a lung 😂

fresh heath
ancient hornet
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But what is the point, they get less money or everyone be treated the same? As I said, most companies in this industry does not treat you the same anyway.
the point is that they get some cheap PR 😛

cursive crypt
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15% of 5% of 2T? ...

soft night
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for that for unreal same video have used for unity as well

ancient hornet
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basically they paid/lost 2.5% of their AppStore global revenue with that measure

rich quiver
ancient hornet
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funny, I wonder how good it is really

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video takes screen space

pearl pewter
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Does anyone know if the Blueprint System will be changed in the UE5?

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what the hell? xD

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how should that work?

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@zinc matrix

fresh heath
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The same blueprints, just with the z axis

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It'd probably work the best in the editor's VR mode

foggy path
pearl pewter
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😔

fresh heath
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Actually I wonder if anyone tried to make a general-purpose visual programming system for VR

foggy path
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I assume you mean 3D since otherwise it could just be a 2D graph and there'd be nothing particularly interesting about it

fresh heath
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Yeah

foggy path
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Well, I can say for fairly certain that three dimensional "flow" is a bad idea

fresh heath
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If I had spare cash for VR, I would try to do something like this, I already have some experience writing compilers at least

foggy path
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left to right or up down flow works reasonably well I think

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but what could be interesting in VR is being able to "zoom" into code

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Eg. let's say you have MyFunction() and you want to see what it does

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so you could just grab it and "zoom" it, which would expand to display it

analog bone
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Why is the instagrams algorithm so annoying?

fresh heath
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@analog bone It's Facebook after all

pearl pewter
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Imagine making certain move in vr and you create a new variable, then define its type with another move etc..

analog bone
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@fresh heath Yeah, just added a new reel's and got shadowbanned

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🙂

pearl pewter
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one finger is bool 5 fingers is int etc

foggy path
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Seems very error prone lol

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not to mention fatiguing in long term

fresh heath
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@pearl pewter Almost sounds like a chord keyboard

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It was used with the first GUI ever

foggy path
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They use something similar to that in courtrooms too don't they

fresh heath
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Doug Engelbart's NLS

median wraith
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is a huge job and that, but yeah feel strange and empty

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yeah its the first time I see on COD you can make different chooses on talks etc

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but it adds a lot of work and the result campaign on a single road is like 4h

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in other hand in different missions seems designed for total new users, whatever you do in a stealth mission is fine, like there is a sniper on top, can't see you killed the whole team of enemies, you can kill he the last is fine

hasty cargo
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all the equiptment throws it right off

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its set in 80's cold war war but it looks more like 2000's post soviet with all the equiptment

median wraith
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by now every AAA have the same design copy paste

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is kinda boring

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well no for new players, so who cares anyway

foggy path
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the problem for cod is their fanbase throws a fit if they try to do anything different with it

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as is evident by their short stumble with more scifi/future oriented things

median wraith
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you have a lot of cards on the table, just don't put them in the same order always

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welp

hasty cargo
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whats the context of this picture?

median wraith
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the door of a main mission

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it seems like LODs get messed

hasty cargo
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oh yeah looks like that

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I think cod has great visuals though, definatley one of its strong points

median wraith
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I drop the visuals topic when started to see scans and ray tracing tbh

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xD

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is something outside of my orbit and knowledge

fresh heath
foggy path
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John is not very good at being subtle is he

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:D

median wraith
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isn't he working on Minecraft ?

soft night
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everyone working on minecraft?

median wraith
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just me or Discord is working bad another time ?

soft night
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seems fine for me well some hiccups there

median wraith
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strange

fresh heath
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Whopping 4 jobs

median wraith
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Wait you found/had jobs in linkedin ?

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I thought it was like the social apps to find people

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🤖

fresh heath
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I was always seeing it as a jobs site first

median wraith
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well to me never worked so far

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and the ones that contacted me were terrible

soft night
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i heard hevery have got trilions of work offers in linkedin

fresh heath
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I had a bunch of recruiters contacting me there, but nothing for Unreal

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Or even game development in general

soft night
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i have got different to look

thin glacier
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How does a .05 second delay sound for an open-bolt carbine

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Between pulling the trigger and the bolt closing

foggy path
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Tbh in shooters any delay between click and gun firing can be pretty annoying

thin glacier
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Players should start looking for guns with a closed bolt then

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Although none of them will fire .357 Magnum in 3-round bursts

humble remnant
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It makes it feel unnatural

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The player already had their action of pressing the mouse button, any delay starts feeling awkward

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Even if it fits your game design

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And if you do release with a delay and then argument yourself as for why, there will be a group that relentlessly tells you to remove it

thin glacier
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I’m trying to make the game as realistic as possible. Any gun firing from an open bolt needs time for the bolt to fully close, which is usually a fraction of a second