also anim packs on MP need to provide the damn source files aswell, a lot harder to manage when al the stuff is filled in
#lounge
carmine frigate
same for meshes, u buy something but u dont get the high poly, or non triangulated mesh.. with all the seams ripped
lone grail
Yeah I downloaded a mesh before and triangulated myself and it looked like it shattered like glass with all the holes lol
carmine frigate
makes it basically impossible to alter
lone grail
Yeah I've decided the only thing I'm going to use that I didn't make is the Unreal Manniquin so I'm gonna animate with it tonight
carmine frigate
well the shatter glass is something u did wrong 😛
lone grail
I did it myself and used auto tools with same result
I wouldn't put it past me to F something up though lol
carmine frigate
unreal files for meshes is fine if an inhouse artist passes it to you and you can tell him to change it if you want
lone grail
I've never used characters from MP I usually get from turbosquid or another site I cant remember the name
fresh heath
Substance Painter's triangulation is a bit wonky
carmine frigate
if u buy it as an asset you want everything included, high poly , non triangulated
rich quiver
foggy path
I wonder what kind of tiny fraction of the playerbase is on Macs to begin with
north torrent
Do people still use Macs in 2020?
thorny dock
of course they do, for product placement on TV, not for any real computing of course
google has some courses on coursera where the instructors are talking with mac laptops next to them, then when it comes to showing something on screen, its windows 😄
lone grail
Lol
north torrent
They do make good paperweights.
foggy path
Mac laptops are still the only ones I've used where the touchpad isn't utter garbage
other makes have gotten better but not as good as Apple's touchpads
plus the virtual desktop functionality etc. in MacOS functions much better than alternatives I've seen in other OS's
so if I had to get a laptop for productivity use... I'd still pick Apple :P
lone grail
The laptop I had before I built my pc had a really good touch pad, best I've used
foggy path
Which one was that?
there's a few that are tolerable but at least when it comes to multi touch the non-mac ones I've used are all pretty miserable :P
most of them can't even do a two finger scroll reliably
lone grail
Asus ROG G750J, it was super reliable and half the time I didn't use a mouse unless I was gaming or doing a lot of work
By tomorrow night I want to have 8 attack animations done using Control rig, I watched a brief video on it and I'm excited to try it out
plucky pagoda
Nice
unborn lotus
😱
foggy path
I accidentally made some kind of existential horror https://twitter.com/therealzomg/status/1306821175578894336
light spruce
I've always wanted a video game set in a Blockbuster Video
foggy path
lol
you'll love this game then
it's basically a slightly tongue in cheek video rental store tycoon/survival simulation
light spruce
"Blockbuster Video: Wow, what a difference." RIP Wesley Willis
Is it Let's Game it Out bait?
foggy path
Is it what? lol
light spruce
Josh from Let's Game it Out does terrible things with those kinds of tycoon games
foggy path
ahh
I suppose there's potential for weird shenanigans with piling physics objects in the way of NPC's, and all the video names and box art is procedurally generated which can lead to some funny stuff too
light spruce
Here's a reasonable example of exactly that kind of fuckery: https://youtu.be/g2QO3hWUReE
foggy path
lol
I mean that game does have a vaguely similar basic premise I guess
but hopefully the one I'm making will have a slightly higher amount of effort put into making it not total jank lol
light spruce
And less trademark violations
foggy path
lol yep
light spruce
Some of this shit I don't even know how it happens.
foggy path
I wonder how long it took him to trap all those people there
light spruce
No idea. This man takes the shit that I do, cranks it up to about 15, and probably just microdoses amphetamines to stay on it for hours.
I think that the most important question is "where can I get one of those half keyboards?"
The most impressive part of this game is that the people can path up a set of stairs
foggy path
you can probably thank whoever made that asset in the unity asset store lol
dim ruin
Oh man, twitch games with prime gave out a game I LOVED back in the day. Forsaken
I think that was back on the PS1
light spruce
thefutureisforsakenthefutureisforsakenthefutureisforsakenthefutureisforsakenwhydoesthiswomanontheboxarthaveafacetattoo
dim ruin
we used to smoke a ton of weed and get completely in the zone in that one. Was pretty intense fighting in true zero-g 6dof
plucky pagoda
wow, just changing the materials on my highest foliage LODs to a plain solid color nearly doubled my framerate.
and really makes no visual difference
zinc matrix
Cope
plucky pagoda
I think once I get some of this stuff done with this map I'm going to put some big world comp maps out there somewhere.
light spruce
I want to go back and play with the voxel plugin terrain
plucky pagoda
I wish I had time to play with that. Been dieing to spend some time working with it.
Tomorrow I'll be building grass meshes and LOD meshes now that I think I understand how I want to approach it.
and some rock, gravel, pebble generators
light spruce
I was playing with using it for vehicle train deformation. Of course, the nvidia physx vehicle stuff is total shit... and I got some pretty hardcore framerate loss doing that many terrain ops
plucky pagoda
i need some minor terrian adjustment at runtime in this project but I think I'm just going to fake it.
light spruce
As far as I know, that's the only way you could do it with the default terrain engine
plucky pagoda
I'm having a lot of fun working on this though, it's nice to finally have a little bit of an idea what I'm doing and to be able to refine things a bit.
zinc matrix
there is a cool new gamejam it starts in 7 hours and it lasts a week go check it out in the "game-jams" tab
north torrent
I'm a banana.
zinc matrix
my favorite fruit is mango
north torrent
I ate one of those once.
rose gorge
This maybe a weird question, but did you guys listen to UE5 demo's background music? Anyone know where it is from? or did epic make it for the demo? 😄
median wraith
Maybe is made by them
soft night
made by Hevedy Hev-Suit with Hev-ARM
zinc matrix
does it Hev GI?
soft night
could be
north torrent
I'm sure Epic owns a ton of music they haven't used.
rose gorge
Ah found it, it was done by Edouard Brenneisen, specifically for this demo
fresh heath
@unborn lotus Where is that chart from?
"PugetBench for Unreal Engine" doesn't seem to yield anything useful in Google
unborn lotus
@fresh heath https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php they benchmark all sorts of hardware
lone grail
Good day everyone
tulip orbit
Whats so good about it? 😄
lone grail
I dunno I got cereal lol
tulip orbit
I had breakfast a few hours ago, woke up real early 😦
my rightclick context menu is working nicely tho... instead of just hitting a use key to interact with things, pickup, talk to npcs, whatever else...
ancient ingot
lone grail
I woke up an hour ago but got out of bed not long ago, and nice
zinc matrix
brackeys quit youtube 😭
lone grail
Went to check it out, I used a lot of his tutorials when learning unity way back in the day
zinc matrix
yeah same i used to watch him like a year ago when i used unity, but he's a really great youtuber atleast the brackeys server is still up and won't get removed
lone grail
I used to watch sebastian too, I think I've only seen one series from him though I think
zinc matrix
if you saw the chat in the brackeys server
it was like the citizens of north korea when their president dies lol
lone grail
I watched a couple of his coding adventures, and I couldn't tell if he's using Unity or wrote his own renderer, the ones I saw never showed an editor.
fathom wadi
marsh garden
You guys like my cube
I pressed a bunch of random buttons
I also made ball and triangle things
Is dis gud too
alpine fern
an extremely good result for pressing random buttons yes
imagine how many other possible outcomes there are
fathom wadi
lone grail
Probably wouldn't be a difficult texture to create
novel latch
Did anything special happen in the last 2 months? 🤔
Gamedev makes me feel like missing out :/
Brackeys stopped his youtube channel
I feel like Epic bought him for future tutorials or something 😅
lone grail
Nah he's taking a break from game dev as a whole right now
quiet narwhal
real life break, game dev is evil!
novel latch
speaking about game...s
what you guys playing right now? 🙂
that is a genre I'll probably never touch
right next to Visual Novels 🙃
lone grail
I'm playing CoD right now I just like the grind for gold camos, but I'm usually playing FF14
fathom wadi
If Necromunda wasn't so buggy, I'd play that but im waiting for a month or 6. I waited 20 years already.
lone grail
I've never played a visual novel but I do know I don't like telltale games because I like more control
fathom wadi
Just so you know, if I had made my Necromunda game, it wouldn't have released with the most obvious camera clipping bug in history. I mean, I praise QA when it deserves it but daaamn. Its like they never played it.
fresh heath
novel latch
aaaaaah
Soundchaser here, reminding us to get productive and stop playing video games 😅
Necromunda looks visually cool, wish it would be less tactical though
lone grail
I got back from the dentist and my face still numb and I'm waiting for that to end so I can eat and then work lol
carmine frigate
i play some of the borderlands pre sequal epic gave for free, but only coop when a friend is on
other than that im watchin some series and movies
fathom wadi
Necromunda looks visually cool, wish it would be less tactical though
@novel latch It's deep but then it needs to be. The rounds take an hour too. Im all in for that, but some of the bugs are silly. Especially with lines of sight.
novel latch
1 hour rounds? I hope you can at least save
Played "They are billions" recently, god that was annoying 😄
carmine frigate
ow and the game episodes 3 out of 10 are so on my to play list
they are free on epic store
carmine frigate
carmine frigate
only played overwatch one round at a friends place
i tend to not short game names to 2 letterz cuz well there are just too many
novel latch
I bought PW today
carmine frigate
ahh thats a great blender plugin
carmine frigate
never watched onepiece, did watch a bunch of other animes
i often dont finish em if they drag on too long tho
fathom wadi
1 hour rounds? I hope you can at least save
@novel latch You can, but I don't myself. I just decide to play one round. It's turn based so you can wait at any time, it's no bother. Runs on UE4 so it sits in the background ok. Being that rogue-lite is the main appeal though, save scumming needs to be avoided to enjoy the true game of it. Not that a save is inherently bad for purpose, but that reload is tempting when you lose an O.G.
carmine frigate
i mostly watch the 3d render stuff cuz im an anime heretic 😛
lone grail
I like anime, haven't seen 3d other than Final fantasy
carmine frigate
the 3d in black rock shooter is super wicked,. doesnt have many episodes and its super grim
lone grail
Looks pretty cool
carmine frigate
yea been a while but i remember it got pretty dark
i only really liked the 1st half of land of the lustrous and the fights aint super
its really great art and kinda funny tho
lone grail
I typically like dark stuff, my projects tend to always be dark but I wanted to try and make something more light hearted and whimsical, I dunno if it's working well because almost all my ideas are pulling me towards the dark side lol
carmine frigate
there has to be some light b4 stuff gets really dark tho
lone grail
Is there anyone like Brakeys but for unreal enging?
carmine frigate
but he came back again 😛
fresh heath
@lone grail This channel maybe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOVfF7PfLbRdVEm0hONTrNQ
lone grail
I've seen some of his WTF is series its pretty interesting
lone grail
Oh cool
zinc matrix
bruh i just made some music for my gamejam game and it's literally so legendary
zinc matrix
no, it's for my game lol
carmine frigate
what jam?
zinc matrix
lol why, do you teach people to cook?
carmine frigate
if u mean crystal meth ur pretty close 😛
carmine frigate
havent done any recently, and ill just keep that stuff seperate
median wraith
cornhub
zinc matrix
do crack next time
carmine frigate
who knows mayB ill do some blender / UE4 or 5 someday
but its not like thats something u can make money off
if i quit my job and try that ill be living on the street in 6 months 😛
lone grail
I've done Ue4 tutorials in the past but I didn't talk and it was just because someone asked for assistance and they couldn't handle text instruction lol
carmine frigate
i have a youtube channel cuz i joined a character contest once
but it was make a character in 2 months and i used 1 day 😄
83 views, not bad 😛
lone grail
I don't get any views on my project update videos 😦
carmine frigate
yea, u need to join 30 social media platforms and spam
i still think its a quality character
lone grail
I just post on twitter, I have 240 followers and not 1 interacts with my posts lol
zinc matrix
bruh it looks like kermit the frog got choked to death and then they injected him with angel dust and he came back to life
carmine frigate
yea, totally should have won that, AAA quality
thats actually the 1st humanoid i made 😛
i just use UE4 and blender to make dumb shit when im bored
yea i just made a few jamgames, thats kinda fun
well it was, it changed a bit
i didnt even submit the last few times
mayB ill join again this time but i kinda doubt it
ye its hard to impossible
the average AAA game with 100 mil budget allready sucks ass
light spruce
Not really a great comparison
carmine frigate
i still have to grin every time i remember i submitted I Am Boris 😛
yup done, hit the submit button
and i dropped off my chair laughing
lone grail
I've never done a jam because I am not confident I'd finish anything in 3 days lol
light spruce
I think I want to make Bloodborne, only all the weapons are made out of shit. And have shit-related names. Just to see if people would play something that was actually well-designed even if you're beating people to death with turds.
lone grail
Yes
There is always someone out there to play a game no matter how dumb or weird it could be lol
light spruce
Time to equip my Butthole Blunderbuss and Crap Cleaver then
lone grail
There is a game that got kinda popular because youtubers played it, where you poop off the edge of a building and try to get poop on as much things as possible
carmine frigate
genital jousting
lone grail
Yeah but how do they relate to poop unless your calling them crap games? lol
Make a competitor to genital jousting and call is Weenier fight and make it play like For Honor lol
light spruce
So ... badly?
lone grail
For honor had a good combat system
fresh heath
How the hell do I come up with a hook for my FPS? Feels like every worthwhile idea was already done in this genre
lone grail
Find something from another genre that doesn't belong and make it work
fresh heath
I have already something that resembles a sci-fi FPS, but it's too generic
light spruce
I think I played about two matches of it during the beta and tossed it in the trash.
I actually liked playing Chivalry though.
lone grail
Could add powers? or transformable upgrades, maybe combine Bloodborne trick weapon system with your guns?
light spruce
The server named "Dost thou even hoist?" changed my life forever.
fresh heath
Haven't played Bloodborne, but Bioshock and Deus Ex and Prey and System Shock 2 already kinda exhausted the idea of powers and upgrades
lone grail
I made my own version of For Honors combat system, I turned it into 8 directional swings and when you swing the mouse while holding a button the character swings in that direction, it's really fun to play around with and took forever to make lol
Ragdoll everything and instead of guns just throw objects laying around
I think no matter what the basis of the game will be similar to another game, can't avoid that, but make it different in style, story and substance
carmine frigate
just caal it LH3
lone grail
3LH
Serious sam 4 doesn't bring much to the table as of anything different to stand out, just a old school style FPS for the most part and people are hyped for it
fresh heath
Well, it has a brand that was established by Serious Sam 1 that stood out back when it was released among Half-Life clones
carmine frigate
i thought that game was sorta dull when it came out
fresh heath
Actually, now Half-Life clones are probably more rare than old school style FPS
lone grail
Dusk is a indie game that is like quake, not much different and beloved
fresh heath
Maybe I should make a Half-Life clone
fresh heath
@carmine frigate I loved the original Serious Sam, it was also my first exposure to level editors
It had one bundled
Serious Editor
light spruce
I'll never give away my concept for a dramatically different FPS game
lone grail
Just make the game you want to make
If you want it to be different it will come to you as you continue
fresh heath
I want to make Half-Life 3 lol
lone grail
then do it lol
I started playing Valorant recently and I have never seen another English speaking person, only spanish and I can't change my region lol
zinc matrix
how do i make an object snap to the ground in unreal?
lone grail
end key
zinc matrix
ok
zinc matrix
russian logic
carmine frigate
i know like 6 russian words so ill be fine
zinc matrix
cyka blyat
carmine frigate
vodka
fresh heath
balalaika
light spruce
Mmmm Valorant. I do love me some games with rootkits.
lone grail
I clutched and no one said a word, I was last alive and killed 3 and died to the last and got yelled at by everyone lol
lone grail
I only know a few words in spanish and they are bad words so I know when they are displeased lol
I was thinking about getting an Oculous thingy 2 but since Facebook owns it, it kinda put me off
I still want one though
lone grail
Is there any other VR headset that competes with oculus thingy that doesn't need cables?
Quest oculus quest that's it lol
carmine frigate
just use a cable
lone grail
Once HTC VIVE gets an all in one headset with no cables and no tower camera then I'll get one
zinc matrix
i wish in unreal they would make the rotation scale and location like blender
lone grail
I don't have a big enough space for Vive
zinc matrix
i wish i didn't need to manually drag with the arrows
carmine frigate
yea location thing in unreal sucks
its prolly not a hard change to do urself tho
light spruce
🎵 Battery liiiiiiiiife measured in femtoooooooseconds! 🎵
lone grail
What's a femtoo?
zinc matrix
i don't really know much about coding that stuff into the actual engine
i know you can hide the "LIGHTING NEEDS TO BE REBUILT" tho
lone grail
I used to code stuff in Unity Editor but I can't do any coding in Unreal, it complicated and scary
zinc matrix
how do i make my game run in chunks like minecraft? so if im far enough away everything will get deleted
my gamejam game isn't that big but i think i'll need to use that in the future when i make an open world game
lone grail
Do you want voxels or just culling?
carmine frigate
there is a node in BP : isrecently rendered
carmine frigate
so u can turn of logic when it hasnt been on screen last frame
zinc matrix
hmm ok
(clearly don't understand but i still act like do)
hmm ok i'll look into those maybe they'll teach me how chunks are done
light spruce
You do that. I'll sit here and consume whiskey and amphetamines and see if I die.
lone grail
I got pizza
light spruce
I kinda wanted to work on something today .... but I really have no idea what I want to do.
So, drugs and alcohol. Problem solved.
lone grail
I gotta do animating attacks after dinner
Oh someone posted about control rig on twitter, nice
light spruce
It's really not a good plan. But, I'm out of those.
I'm debating being annoyed more by Satisfactory.
lone grail
Just do work, dooooo it
light spruce
Maybe if I had some obvious work to do.
lone grail
What did you do last on your project?
light spruce
I don't have a specific project right now. Just some generic framework stuff that is stuck in design hell.
lone grail
So you are trying to decide on a project?
light spruce
Not exactly. Backend gameplay systems are the "project"
lone grail
So not really wanting to make a complete game?
I like making game systems, it's mostly what I've done since I abandon lots of projects lol
light spruce
More about building something that I could build other things on top of at some point.
lone grail
Make an fps that uses ddr mat lol
light spruce
I guess I could do that if I wanted to make something that I can't play.
lone grail
Lol, I don't have a ddr mat either
light spruce
Right now, I'm just playing the "see how many tracks I have to skip on this playlist" game.
lone grail
Ah that game sucks
light spruce
Every other week YouTube Music insists on putting The Midnight in my discovery playlist... despite the fact that I fucking hate The Midnight and have skipped every single track that it has ever put on the playlist.
This week, it's stuck me in some shitty synthwave hell
I like some synthwave. I prefer darkwave to it... but, really, I'm just not a fan of the stuff that absolutely sounds like I could have dug it out of a 1980s compact cassette collection.
It's usually just totally schizophrenic shit because I break the algorithm.
lone grail
I look for music mixes on youtube and NOT edm,but mostly what comes up is edm 😦
light spruce
It'll be hip-hop, some Skyrim soundtrack garbage, Glitch Mob, surf rock, chiptunes, Boards of Canada
lone grail
What is boards of canada?
light spruce
Ambient electronic stuff
lone grail
Oh, as a Canadian I've never heard of it lol
light spruce
I don't know if they're actually Canadian
light spruce
At one point, I was considering hanging up my guns and moving to Canada. Far too late for that now.
light spruce
I would at least have to throw all my magazines in the trash
Beyond that, no idea. I know their laws are just as dumb and arbitrary anywhere else.
lone grail
Lol
light spruce
But I've been carrying for over six years... so, it'd be pretty fucking weird not to be at this point.
lone grail
Makes sense
light spruce
... I feel like I know what this genre would be... but fucked if I can remember what. It doesn't help that there about 86 thousand genres
lone grail
I class things in like 8 genres, it's too complicated
I remember an old friend yelled at me and gave me a lecture for a long time for calling "hardcore" rock
Scuuuuse me lol
I like that video but not the music lol
light spruce
more like spartayaoi amirite
light spruce
looking through this list of genres... I'm somewhat intrigued by "dungeon synth" and yet... I'm sure it will be disappointingly terrible
lone grail
I just looked it up, it's kinda cool
light spruce
Basically, everyone should just listen to electro swing
light spruce
I don't love it. I'm mostly just kind of amused by its existence
I prefer regular plain electro
lone grail
I enjoy it quite a bit, it's fun music
I'm not too into electro
Caravan palace is electro swing and the biggest one
broken sigil
I listen to what sounds good
light spruce
I like some darker stuff. Dark wave. Witch house.
lone grail
Nightcore? lol
light spruce
Dubstep that doesn't sound like it was recorded six blocks away from a frat house where someone is actually just vomiting into the mixer repeatedly
lone grail
I can't get behind dubstep
foggy path
There's one dubstep track which is just the best
and it's purely because the lyrics are about eating cake
broken sigil
if someone here likes metal but without all the screaming check out lord of the lost and unleash the archers
lone grail
Everyone was obsessed with Skrillex back when I was at my old job and it was in my opinion horrible lol
light spruce
Dubstep is absolutely an embodiment of 50/50. It's either good or it's completely garbage
you can apply that 50/50 rule to Skrillex.
lone grail
I don't know if I like metal because I don't know what is considered metal lol but I hate the screaming stuff
light spruce
Some stuff he does is good... and the other is just abhorrent trash
lone grail
The really popular stuff he did is all I heard and didn't like any of it
light spruce
I also think he looks like an asshole, but that's irrelevant.
lone grail
Lol
foggy path
haha
light spruce
I still think the best thing he's done was the Syndicate remix
foggy path
he does have a peculiar fashion taste
foggy path
the Syndicate remix was okay I guess
but the version from Digitalism from the same soundtrack is much better
light spruce
foggy path
the version from Digitalism is such a banger
broken sigil
Metal has like 50 subgenres lol
There a lot of metal subgenres that basically have no screaming, symphonic metal basically has none and sometimes powermetal doesn't have either
light spruce
I don't remember the Digitalism one off the top of my head. I've heard all four of them. The other two were done by Nero and Flux Pavillion
foggy path
too bad the game itself was kind of shit from what I hear lol
lone grail
IT was a great game
lone grail
Wait are you saying the old or newer is shit?
light spruce
Yes.
foggy path
lol
the newer one is bad from what I have heard
I never played it.. the idea of making a Syndicate FPS game is cool though
lone grail
I have the newer one and I think it's quite good
foggy path
I guess it's just one of those games that are okay but coulda been better
light spruce
I think "generally forgettable" was the way to describe it
lone grail
Anything could technically be better lol
foggy path
lol
light spruce
I tried playing the original at one point... and went "I'm too old for this shit."
foggy path
yeah the original Syndicate might be a tad clunky but it has some cool ideas
like using the Persuadertron to mind control civilians and cops to help you
lone grail
Isn't the original a isometric point and click cyberpunk adventure game?
light spruce
Oh, right. The Digitialism mix was the one that was basically like... "we'll take these eight notes, toss them in here at the start and then just make a regular heavy EDM track"
north torrent
Electronic dance music has notes?
light spruce
It's no Le Castlevania.
foggy path
I have both og Syndicate and Syndicate Wars on GOG
lone grail
You should play it, it's pretty cheap since it's a 2012 game... was it 2012 or 2011? something like that
foggy path
I played Syndicate back in the day and demo of Syndicate Wars also
been meaning to play them at some point but haven't gotten around to it yet
light spruce
And it will be totally wrong.
foggy path
Doesn't google already do that to some degree
You can ask google what song is playing for example
light spruce
Be totally wrong? absolutely
lone grail
Earworms doesn't sound like a good thing
light spruce
One of the things that really gets me with that Skrillex remix is that fucking ride bell in there
lone grail
Oh yeah that's a good song, you should hear Wonderland by them
It's one of my favorites, it's very jammy
light spruce
I don't know why it's there... but it just has that one ride bell on an upbeat during a fill and I love it.
lone grail
More cowbell
light spruce
I hate cowbells.
lone grail
Lol
light spruce
You can make the blocks work sometimes
foggy path
yeah
lone grail
There's an app for that
foggy path
if you have an android phone you can use the ok google function for it
just ask "what song is this"
light spruce
With built in DMCA functionality no doubt
foggy path
I don't know if it works in a PC browser but the phone assistant can detect songs pretty well nowadays
some of the apps for it used to also be able to detect the song just based on humming or singing it, but I never really tried how well those worked
lol
lone grail
Oh it's not Disturbed, but I think that's Korean lol
Some may say I'm a bit of a weeb, though I've never used that word before but I dunno 🤷♂️
foggy path
there isn't a lot of old 4chan lingo that still stick around
weeb is probably the most commonly used one 🤔
korean is easy to distinguish if you know what they look like
lone grail
I can tell between Korean, Japanese, and Chinese languages
foggy path
japanese and chinese are a bit harder unless you actually know how to read one of them
since japanese and chinese share a lot of characteristics that look similar on a superficial level
north torrent
Which Japanese character set?
foggy path
korean on the other hand looks different enough
lone grail
3 of the Japanese character sets
foggy path
well I'm assuming we're talking about normal written language, so the way that would look. the differences between hiragana and katakana from kanji probably aren't apparent enough to a casual observer
hangul on the other hand does look different visually
lone grail
I've probably seen all and would be familiar with each by now really
Yeah generally I know the difference between Japanese, Chinese and Korean, but difference in character sets I dunno I just see stuff I know is familiar lol
light spruce
Korean absolutely looks like moon language
lone grail
Lol
light spruce
bars and circles
north torrent
The full complex Japanese characters look somewhat like Chinese characters. Some are actually the same.
But then they have the simpler character set that is used for most things, and it looks way to simple to be mistaken as Chinese.
foggy path
yeah if you have a sentence that comprises only of those then yeah
but for example a typical newspaper will use a lot of kanji
north torrent
Unless you are using an odd font, Chinese will never have circles.
lone grail
Yeah
foggy path
besides some chinese characters are really simple, like the numbers 1 and 2
lone grail
1 2 and 3 lol
foggy path
yeah but it's not written using just that character set
some words are, in some context, but other words aren't
north torrent
Where as Kanji is basically Chinese characters.
foggy path
森
this one could be either
:P
although I guess chinese probably has more of those really really complex looking characters, with even more squigglies
north torrent
Historically they are Chinese characters and they have just changed over the generations.
north torrent
Traditional Chinese had more little symbols than what is used in China today. But Hong Kong and Taiwan (not a country) still use Traditional Chinese characters.
lone grail
Oooh big character
north torrent
It is a type of noodle.
lone grail
Lol
north torrent
lone grail
Nah
north torrent
They are called belt noodles, because they are very long and very wide.
foggy path
just type them on a keyboard
north torrent
A plate may be made out of just one singular long noodle...
foggy path
I can read japanese to some degree but if I had to actually write it out I don't know if I could
because memory is funny that way
I recognize the characters, but if I had to think of the character I can't
lone grail
I was learning Russian at one point but I don't remember much or anything, not writing but speaking
foggy path
like.. I know 女 is woman and I can easily type it on a keyboard, but I couldn't draw it with a pen :P
north torrent
I am thinking of having my students design what the first ever computer would look like if China had invented the computer instead of a country with a 26 character alphabet.
lone grail
Watching chinese or Japanese or Korean Calligraphy with old ink pen or brush is so nice to watch
north torrent
More focused on how the input would be.
foggy path
how does a chinese typewriter work? :D
north torrent
I honestly believe the only reason China didn't have the industrial revolution before Europe was because the printing press was so difficult to use when you need 3,000 characters to say anything. Much more for complex subjects.
Where as when that German guy invented his printing press it caught on like wildfire because English and German and French all used ~26 character alphabets and books could be produced fast.
foggy path
sounds plausible
I've definitely heard similar things about the writing systems used there
it's kind of interesting that they never did a 180 and switch to a simpler one
I mean I guess korea did, their system is probably the simplest out of the bunch :P
north torrent
As a result information spread like wildfire. Everyone learned to read the Bible first but eventually started learning about other stuff and that spread to the population trying new things and new inventions and eventually a whole industrial revolution and then steam trains and there is no going back from that point.
foggy path
I'm not really familiar with the history of the vietnamese language, but it's similar to chinese as it's a tonal language
but they use the western alphabet as their writing system, with accents indicating the tones
north torrent
The current written Vietnamese uses English characters, but that is all post-colonization.
foggy path
yeah that figures
light spruce
Kanji is the dumbest thing the Japanese could have done. Fight me.
foggy path
lol
north torrent
When I hear Vietnamese it sounds to me like Southern Chinese dialects.
I personally thing Guangdong Hua (what is called Cantonese if you want to make people cringe) sounds closer to Vietnamese than Putong Hua (which is much more disrespectfully called Mandarin).
I'm pretty sure Kanji came first and the other systems evolved from that over thousands of years. But I haven't researched it.
foggy path
yeah^
katakana in particular afaik evolved due to need of writing foreign based words
light spruce
I was pretty sure that Kanji was a thing taken from the Chinese
foggy path
I like the weird japanese anglicisms which are like.. english but not really
they have a word "scout mail" which is written as if it was english, but that term doesn't really exist in english
a "scout mail" is basically a cold email that recruiters send you :P
fresh heath
The word for bed in Japanese is borrowed from English
foggy path
there's so many examples like this
fresh heath
"beddo"
light spruce
Yeah, it seems like I was correct.
foggy path
yeah they have a lot of english words borrowed
light spruce
That they pronounce hilariously
foggy path
the way they mix random english with japanese even has its own term, wasei eigo
north torrent
The Ainu are the first civilization of Japan. They came from a much earlier migration of humans.
The rest of Japan was settled by people from China in a much later wave of immigration.
This is all still pre-historic times though. Hard to completely sure.
fresh heath
I thought Jomon were the first people of Japan
light spruce
Just looking at it, I think of hiragana and katakana as being equivalent of cursive/script and something people can actually read. It's another thing I'm not fond of for the Japanese language.
north torrent
Possibly, I am just going off of a brief overview and am by no means an expert of Japanese pre-historical societies.
foggy path
yeah hiragana and katakana are reasonably easy to learn because there aren't that many of them
kanji on the other hand haha enjoy learning thousands of these
you wanna read on a preschool level? learn a few hundred
:P
north torrent
I just know that ancient Chinese writing and language came to Japan and eventually evolved into what Japan has today over thousands of years. But it started as Chinese, they didn't adopt Chinese later on.
light spruce
They have the same syllable overlap... it's just you have less loopy bullshit lines for your way of writing something to distinctly scream "THIS IS A FOREGIN WORD"
foggy path
yeah it's a bit weird that you basically have the same two alphabets
it's as if ｙｏｕ ｗｒｏｔｅ ｈａｌｆ ｏｆ ｅｎｇｌｉｓｈ like that
lol
light spruce
Yeah, that's what I meant; kanji was adopted from Chinese writing and then they went their own directions
Unnecessary language complexities.
I feel like any time someone develops something, they always find a way to cram in some dumb shit that ensures it won't be widely adopted... like how Esperanto put those weird accents or carons or circumflexes... whatever the fuck they used on characters that didn't normally have them... leading to the weird shorthand of cramming X behind certain letters.
north torrent
Well, they made it so complex that nobody besides them will use it, so now there is no point for me to learn it, so I can go back to game design and not bother learning Chinese.
light spruce
How very Japanese of them
foggy path
you can just use an app nowadays can't you
point it at some text and it'll translate
:D
light spruce
That google translate shit with the live image translation is equal parts hilarity and sorcery
north torrent
Several times I have had Japanese tourists come up to me to ask for directions or ask to take a picture of their family, because they assume white dude knows English, and they don't know how to speak Chinese.
light spruce
Is the punchline that you're from Brazil?
foggy path
the punchline is he has such a heavy southern 'murrican accent nobody understands him
north torrent
In any Asian country I have been in people always assume I speak English just be the way I look.
foggy path
:D
light spruce
(I don't remember where the largest population of white people is in South America)
foggy path
some friends were in japan and they were day drinking in a park
cops came up to them and they apparently thought my friends were russian
light spruce
Are you trying to say you don't speak English?
foggy path
I would have assumed they woulda been assumed to be americans by default
light spruce
If you're from North America, you are always from Toronto.
north torrent
If you are from South Africa and a Chinese person asks you where you are from, you just say "America" because you don't want to spend 30 minutes arguing with them how white people live in a small part of Africa.
foggy path
lol
north torrent
If you are black and from England and a Chinese person asks you were you are from, you just say "America" because you don't want to spend 30 minutes arguing with them how there are some black people in England.
light spruce
Oh hell... see how far you get explaining what "colored" means in South Africa before someone calls you a racist piece of shit
foggy path
you really don't like the chinese much do you lol
sometimes I wonder why you even are in china with all the complaints about them :D
light spruce
tl;dr - everywhere is shit and everything is awful
foggy path
lol
north torrent
I have no problem with the Chinese. I just find this stuff rather interesting.
foggy path
to be fair one of my friends who lived in japan for a while was complaining about the japanese all the fucking time
then he came back to finland and now he's been pining about moving back to japan
light spruce
There's another empty bottle of whiskey
north torrent
But my original point was that Japanese people talk to Chinese people in English. Neither will learn the other language in 1,000,000 years.
Korean people won't learn Japanese, Chinese people won't learn Korean, everyone just learns English.
light spruce
That'd be like expecting them to both learn two separate versions of astrophysics.
north torrent
When people from Beijing go to Hong Kong it is much easier to just use English, because the dialect of Chinese spoken in Hong Kong is so incredibly different.
rigid shoal
Korean people know Japanese. It's a secret.
light spruce
Surprise: accents and dialects exist all over the place
foggy path
korean and japanese foreign relations aren't the best afaik :P
north torrent
Even if all the English speaking countries disappeared tomorrow, English would still end up being the most spoken second language on the planet by a wide margin.
foggy path
they still haven't quite figured out their qualms from WWII
north torrent
light spruce
Don't worry; it'll take a while for all of us to kill each other in the states
foggy path
there was an interesting article I read recently about the proliferation of english
english carries with itself american culture in a sense
so as people learn english, they kind of also partially become americans in a cultural way
it's pretty easy to notice this in the way that how much the world cares about events that happen in the US, politics, etc.
light spruce
You do realize the UK and Ireland speak English too, right?
foggy path
I'm not explaining it very well :P
the article was much more nuanced and explained it much better
but that was the gist of the idea
light spruce
(and Canada. Australia. Half of South Africa. New Zealand)
foggy path
unfortunately it was in finnish so it wouldn't make much sense to you :)
north torrent
Well, the US$ has for a long time been used as a benchmark to measure other currencies by. If that collapses then a lot of things have to change.
foggy path
But it also related to sort of "exporting culture"
because it was about chinese, and china doesn't really export culture much
that's why english is so dominant as well
light spruce
If things scared me... I would probably be terrified at the state of things in the US at this point.
north torrent
The people who are allowed to teach English in China... 'United States, Canadia, Britain, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand'.
Anyone else is not eligible for a Z Visa to teach English. You can get a Z Visa for a different reason, but not for the intent to teach English.
light spruce
I'm a little surprised by South Africa being on that list
Because you still have a large population that speaks Afrikaans there.
Whereas the rest of that is pretty much monolingual English
north torrent
If the world was a game of Civilization then the United States would have already won a 'Culture Victory'.
Not that I am saying that the US culture is great, but that the game declares a victory based on 'spreading' your culture and not on having a great culture, and the US has well overperformed the 'spreading' part required to win that game.
light spruce
Quebec doesn't count because everyone hates Quebec.
foggy path
yeah that's kinda what the whole "become american in cultural sense" was about
one of the examples they used about that was the black lives matter protests and the police violence protests
light spruce
I wouldn't entirely tie that to the English language though.
north torrent
China would let someone from Quebec teach English.
But just because you are eligible for the Z Visa doesn't mean anyone is offering you a job.
foggy path
people feel like american problems are also their problems
people protested those things here in Finland even though we have none of those problems in our country
light spruce
Well that would probably be a terrible decision since Quebecois frequently have shitty English language skills.
There's something to be said for solidarity.
aside from that... how many black people are there in Finland?
foggy path
I don't really know the figures but there is a nontrivial amount of black people here nowadays
north torrent
The Visa system just looks at your Passport and whether or not you can apply for the Visa.
Applying for jobs should weed out the people from Quebec or Alabama.
foggy path
bah, tried finding the article I was talking about in case google translate woulda done a good job on it
but it's been moved behind a paywall :P
light spruce
Hey, I had a ladyfriend from Alabama who would have done just fine teaching English.
north torrent
We don't need Chinese people saying Yall...
light spruce
She didn't.
foggy path
lol
light spruce
I don't either.
I can absolutely sound like a few forms of south-ish dumbshit if I need to, but I don't.
And, as long as I'm drunk, I can sound reasonably Scottish.
foggy path
second american civil war rolls closer
some woke judge died and now everyone's worried about that
light spruce
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to shoot someone at some point.
north torrent
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a great woman and disserves nothing but respect.
light spruce
She should have resigned before now
north torrent
The whole system of the Supreme Court is out of date, but that isn't her fault.
light spruce
That's absolutely true. However, it's not like she didn't know how fucking old she would be by now.
She should have resigned before this presidential term. And one could argue that she should have earlier than that.
north torrent
If she had resigned earlier the tRump could have appointed some unqualified swamp monster to replace her. It was her responsibility to live long enough to stop that from happening.
light spruce
That's why I said before this presidential term
north torrent
I don't think her cancer was that bad before 2016.
But now Joe Biden will be choosing her replacement, so in my opinion her holding on that long makes her a hero.
light spruce
When you're into your 80s.. that's probably time to step down
north torrent
Well, the Supreme Court should have term limits and such, I agree with that.
light spruce
Everything should have term limits.
north torrent
And people over 70 years old shouldn't be allowed on the ballot for president.
plucky pagoda
They blocked Obama from appointing anyone what would her resignation have done?
light spruce
I don't disagree with that either
plucky pagoda
She would have had to resign over 20 years ago.
north torrent
House of Representatives should have limits. I'm not sure I agree on the Senate. I think people have lost the original distinction between the Senate and the House though, so maybe term limits would work.
plucky pagoda
Senate should be abolished it's whole purpose is to act as a check against democracy.
north torrent
The Majority Leader of the Senate is a position that needs to be changed more than any other in the government.
light spruce
I don't know the exact timeline for things, so I can't really adequately respond on that front, Mike.
north torrent
Way too much power.
light spruce
Because I honestly gave far less of a shit about politics until the past few years when everything went horribly wrong.
plucky pagoda
I mean Obama was president for 8 years that puts us back 10 years and before that was George W for 8 years,
north torrent
From 2008 - 2012 Obama would have been able to get a Supreme Court Justice passed.
It was only after Mitch McConnel realized he had the power to obstruct anything and everything that nothing could get passed.
plucky pagoda
Maybe, no guarantees and even so to say she should have resigned over a decade ago to prevent today is pretty far out there.
light spruce
That's why I say it's not like anyone didn't know how old she would have been by now.
plucky pagoda
the Democrats where pretty divided under Obama they barely got a watered down health care bill passed.
north torrent
It was only after the 2014 Senate Elections that Mitch McConnel became the majority leader and had the power to stop Obama from doing anything and everything.
This also happens to be the time when Obama's super economic growth slowed down...
Coincidence?
light spruce
He doesn't have any more power than a bunch of complacent dickheads allow him to have. To be clear, he's a total piece of shit, but other people have allowed that.
north torrent
Mitch McConnell has the power to put a bill on his desk and NEVER allow the rest of the Senate to vote on it.
light spruce
Because people let him do that. He could be replaced at any time.
north torrent
Even if all other 99 Senators support something, he can refuse to let them vote because he doesn't like it.
light spruce
The real issue is that the Senate gets to decide on their rules.
Republicans won't break ranks to replace him as a majority leader, but they could
north torrent
But anyways, Obama put two judges on the Supreme court in 2009 and 2010. It was only after McConnell took over as Emperor of the Senate that Obama was not allowed to fill the seat left open by Judge Scalia.
That seat eventually went to Neil Gorsuch in 2017.
light spruce
Well. I guess that I'm going to need to be sober for what comes next. So, it looks like today is when I stop drinking.
lone grail
I'm working on learning Control Rig and I am impressed so far, anyone know if you can place a static mesh on a bone while animating for reference? I'm not seeing the option
north torrent
I haven't messed with that yet.
lone grail
It's very interesting
Would it be more ideal to make weapons skeletal mesh instead of static?
foggy path
the control rig is useful for animating in UE?
quiet narwhal
I want to say the FPS project does that and so did the paragon stuff, but you should be able to make a socket and add a static mesh to that
foggy path
I have never looked at it yet but might need to do some custom animations because there's only so many on Mixamo lol
lone grail
It seems to be
@quiet narwhal I have a socket created in the skeleton but in control rig the socket does not show up and can't seem to see a import static mesh option either in the control rig window
I'll just make my weapon a skeletal mesh, I kinda want to have animations on the weapons themselves in the future for more dynamic weapons so they'll be skeletal anyway, thanks though guys
quiet narwhal
sorry about that lol. so what you would do if you wanted to do this would be to add the item to your sequencer, as one of the tracks, then just attach it to the control rig in sequencer itself
but yeah if you wanted animations or actual skeletal animation then doing the entire item as a SKM might be best
lone grail
Thank you for that, I did make it into a skeletal mesh, I just need to fix a bug now that the skeletal mesh sword will not fall when simulate physics is true lol
Solved it, collision wasn't set up to work with physics lol dummy mistake
Ah the import mesh option in the control rig editor only imports the bone not the mesh so I can't do it that way to have reference
Also I crashed the engine
north torrent
I crashed my scooter into a tree once.
lone grail
Dang
When the crash box pops up to enter a detailed message, do the UE people actually read each one? I did leave a detailed explanation of how I crashed it, just wondering
quiet narwhal
we can hope!
eternal hearth
lone grail
I'm sure it's something that'll be fixed out of beta
Oh I couldn't figure out how to add a mesh to my character for animating, I don't have the option to create a control rig sequence which I thought was odd 🤷♂️
Control rig makes mannequin freak out so I dunno lol
Ooo Basic FABRIK node works with mannequin IK not so much Basic IK node lol
foggy path
Don't think I'm even gonna bother with those unless someone blesses me with tons of money to spend on things I don't really need
1080 Ti still runs games plenty fast :D
maybe a RTX 4000 card is time for upgrade
spare glade
Im feeling the same, might update when 4xxx comes around.
My 1080ti is doing great as well 🙂
dense storm
the 3070 is better than the 2080ti which is better than the 1080ti, which is only like 450? i think
😄
tho tbh depends what games you play
spare glade
450USD, alot more in AUD 😛
dense storm
yeah well aussies just like to get ripped off and they can't do anything about it 😄
foggy path
is it?
bronze axle
The performance increase of the Ampere cards is bonkers.
I was planning to upgrade to a 20 series in my next build. Getting a 30 series seems like a no-brainer now.
foggy path
tbh upgrade from 1080 Ti to 3070 makes sense only if you're concerned with RTX
I saw some other performance comparisons also saying there wasn't really a huge difference... 3070 was better in those, but not significantly
dense storm
i didn't even know there was 3070 benchmarks out yet
i thought that was still under NDA
foggy path
might've been leaks, a friend was posting them elsewhere
but yeah I guess it remains to be seen
I'm not hugely interested in spending 400-500 on an upgrade that isn't very significant
especially since my 1080 ti runs games at perfectly adequate framerates
dense storm
because the 3080 is around 48-50 percent faster than the 1080ti from the charts i have seen
foggy path
I'll start upgrading once it no longer hits good framerates :D
dense storm
but damn i feel sorry for 2080ti owners
especially ones who got the card in the last couple of months, RIP.
foggy path
well it's always like that with hardware though
new cards always offer better performance for less money
broken sigil
Thinking about upgrading ngl
Got the 2080 like less than a year ago but the 3080 is 70% faster on average which is huge
Thinking about upgrading only because the gtx 1080 in my other PC is slowly starting to show its age so would move the 2080 there
foggy path
I'm mostly just curious how much better native RTX performance is
I was testing raytraced GI in my game and I was hitting like 13 fps lol
I kinda would like to have that because it would let me do neat day/night lights effects much better
lone grail
I just got an email saying my Super Mario 3D allstars has been shipped 🙂
north torrent
I am only interested in the RTX 3090.
foggy path
costs like 1800 eur so no thx :P
north torrent
I'll buy you one.
lone grail
I like my 970 lol
north torrent
What's the point of even having a job if I can't buy RTX 3090s?
I need to finish this game, then my next game can be Unreal 5 and RTX 3090.
lone grail
I just set up my fingers in control rig, so each finger has it's own gizmo and rotating rotates each joint in the finger, I really like this system it's easy to kinda figure out my own stuff
broken sigil
I am only interested in the RTX 3090.
@north torrent
where I live it's gonna be around $3000 so that's a nope from me
3080 is around $1200 so yeah 😐
north torrent
Well, I would move.
lone grail
3080 is half the price
north torrent
Just have to find a person you know who is traveling to the US and have him/her purchase it.
Only thing is nobody can travel to and from the US right now...
I wonder how much they cost in Taiwan...
broken sigil
wanted to buy oculus recently but can't.... because the damn thing doesn't ship here, part of european union but feels like I live on some deserted island
broken sigil
nope lol
north torrent
Might want to try that.
Sell everything you own, buy an RTX 3090, and go live on a deserted island.
broken sigil
doesn't sound too bad tbh
It's not that I can't afford it, I can afford it no problem but can't justify spending 3k on a GPU
lone grail
As much as I think Control rig is really cool and easy to do advanced things, it's not good for animating like actually making poses, I might still use blender for the time being
north torrent
I can't justify spending $400 on a gaming console, but I can justify spending $2,000 on a gpu.
Business expense.
lone grail
My gpu is still good so I'm buying PS5 lol, I need that Demon's souls remake
north torrent
If I am going to spend 30 hours a week making a videogame I might as well buy the best stuff to make it with.
broken sigil
yeah I'm getting the ps5, there are some games I want to play (last of us being first)
foggy path
yeah I can file GPUs as business expenses
north torrent
Does a Playstation 5 cost $1,000 where you live?
foggy path
so technically a 3090 would cost me "only" 900 eur!
but technically my 1080 Ti only cost me 500 eur instead of 1000 eur so there's still that
:P
lone grail
Demons souls is one of my all time favorite games, it launched my favorite series and I loved the gameplay reveal, I can't get enough lol
broken sigil
@north torrent surprisingly no, digital edition is around $600
north torrent
I'm going to sell my game on USB drives...
Well, I will if this whole corona-virus thing ever goes away.
broken sigil
I sure hope it will because now I can't buy cheap electronics from china because it takes 3 months to arrive 😐
north torrent
I can buy cheap electronics in China, but I can't buy cheap electronics from the US...
broken sigil
it ships from china pretty quickly actually but gets stuck in EU
north torrent
In Shanghai there are pretty much no signs the corona-virus ever happened.
broken sigil
yeah, well I know corona is real now 100% because my neighbor died from it the other day
It still surprises me how many people still think that corona is made up
north torrent
People here know it is real because the shut down very early and very hard.
But people have been contact tracking and there have been no new cases in the city in a long time.
lone grail
Where is you?
north torrent
Shanghai.
broken sigil
yeah I've seen videos, everything seems to be back to normal
north torrent
About 8 hours by car from Wuhan where everything started.
lone grail
Oh cool
north torrent
Turns out pandemics are much shorter when you shut down hard and fast as opposed to half assing it and being tepid.
lone grail
Of course lol
north torrent
Kind of sort of recommending people to stay home and wear masks kind of sort of drags the issue on for months and months and months.
lone grail
I was never able to stay home, had to work all through this shite, somehow it took a whole pandemic to get me my first serious GF though lol
north torrent
Back where I live in the US they basically said, "Don't leave your home, unless you have something you need to do, then go ahead and leave your home. But wear a mask when you do, unless you kind of sort of don't want to wear a mask, then don't."
lone grail
OH jeez
north torrent
In Shanghai I was put in a government facility for 14 days and if I tried to leave they beat me with sticks.
lone grail
Lol
north torrent
And that's why Shanghai is now back to normal.
Hmmm... I can get a flight from Shanghai to Taipei for $150 and buy an RTX 3090 from Taiwan(not a country). Or I can pay the Chinese imported price...
alpine fern
they have 3080s in stock?
lone grail
Where I live is 1hr and 40 mins away from Toronto and nothing hit us during this pandemic, but around us was like a wildfire, but I'm a small town forest dweller I don't go places really lol, but luckily we've been clear but still taking precautions
I don't go places out side a 50 mile radius at the most, I usually keep within 15 mile radius since work is like 12 miles away maybe closer to 15 lol
I'm off for the night, good night everyone
north torrent
I am looking for an RTX 3090.
I am checking for places to buy it, I am not sure who has it yet.
A lot of the producers of 3rd party cards are in Taiwan(the not country).
foggy path
my local retailer has two
north torrent
I'll take both.
foggy path
you'll have to somehow be the first to reserve them when the sales begin I guess lol
north torrent
Well, I am in Shanghai, so that might be difficult.
north torrent
I sort of want a Founders Edition RTX 3090... But at the same time I like the Aorus 4 slot monster...
dim ruin
I'm gonna do a RTX 3070. I'm running a GTX 960 right now so that upgrade will be ungodly already
all the bots are buying up the 3080s and the broke guys like me are over here like "all good baby" lol
sage ermine
cursive crypt
People going nuts over having these 3x series cards.
light spruce
Butthole town.
north torrent
I'm in no hurry to get my new card. I'll probably wait until after all the hype has gone down.
unborn lotus
I heard theres gonna be a 20gb version of the 3080 in a few months
light spruce
I don't know why there would be.
light spruce
huge waste of money then
foggy path
depends on how much more expensive it is compared to a regular 3080 I guess
light spruce
It's just an unnecessary amount of vram for probably quite some time
foggy path
how much VRAM does the regular one even have 🤔
I don't think I've ever had problems with the 13 gigs in my 1080 Ti so yeah 20 seems like quite a lot
but given how much bigger games are getting texturewise, maybe it'll be a thing
arctic elk
It will be useless for games, but more vram will be usefull for ML...
foggy path
oh yeah that's true
light spruce
The kind of thing that you wouldn't use a 3080 for
light spruce
That's even further out from any level of noteworthy adoption
carmine frigate
ill prolly go AMD again 😛
solid aurora
im gonna wait what happens
have gut feeling this time AMD will be on par with 3090 to 3070
carmine frigate
not really a point to make cards if they not somewhat competative
solid aurora
NVIDIA really seem to push ampere over any limits just to get last % of performance
you just don't do it unlesss you really want to stay on top at all costs
which tells me they know something about RDNA2 and decided that half price and going nuclear is option
carmine frigate
also we have yet to hear about faillure rates
solid aurora
i don't care
especially from internet people
which is always wrong and exaggerated
carmine frigate
yea but it does say a lil, and i had 2 nvid cards in a row break in verry short time
rma was such a hassle i didnt even bother with the 2nd
so if internet ppl say the caps are blowing imma stay clear
dont wunna solder my 1 month old card again
thats why the card i use now is a 2nd hand miner card, if it been running 24/7 for a long time u know its good
foggy path
that sounds inconvenient
this is kinda why I buy my hardware from my local retailer... if something fails, I just walk in, return the failed unit and get a replacement :P
light spruce
Or, you know, maybe don't do dumb shit like sell your current card to buy a new one.
carmine frigate
yea but internet they deliver and usually cheaper
but im with u on that i rather get it in a store
hmm i buy used stuff but i never resell
i kinda should
usually i just give it away or keep as spare
right on top of the pile o old hardware
north torrent
In the US there will probably be no local stores that sell GPUs soon enough... sigh...
My laptop has 24gb of RAM and I am not quite sure why...
That's a weird number...
foggy path
well at least you can get one day delivery with amazon in the US :P
light spruce
I run 24 gigs in one of my VM hosts
north torrent
There has to be a reason why he didn't use 16 or 32... I'm just not sure why. Maybe I will find out after I open it up.
I have a 500gb NVMe drive. I am planning on putting it in the laptop. Though the laptop already had 1tb.
light spruce
Four RAM slots a 16 gig kit and an 8 gig kit.
north torrent
If it has 4 RAM slots then he would have just put 4 8gb sticks.
light spruce
Okay. So explain to me why I have 24 in a server.
north torrent
I don't know about you.
But I know that the HP Spectre I plan on buying has the RAM soldered onto to motherboard and not upgradable.
So I am thinking that this laptop has some RAM on the laptop motherboard, while also having an upgrade slot...
light spruce
It had 4x4 in it and I pulled two of them for two 8s whenever I decommed another box.
unborn lotus
@light spruce i also read that watch dogs needs 11gb for 4k gaming, so some games do need more (than 10gb). Theres also vr headsets some are over 4k
north torrent
I am in the middle of installing Unreal, so I am not going to open the back of the PC while I am installing.
Well to be honest, nobody needs to be playing games in 4k...
light spruce
Native 4K is still dog shit and largely pointless. But most things do not actively use that amount of VRAM. They'll ask for all of it that's available in a lot of cases, but it isn't actually used.
mossy nexus
Arrrg! Tis international talk like a pirate day! Shiver me timbers!
north torrent
Pirates can talk?
north torrent
How do you change fan speeds on an Asus laptop?
north torrent
That depends on your definition of 'game'.
north torrent
If what you have is a game, then I have made 10 games.
But I have never taken a prototype to market, that is very true.
zinc matrix
Mao made 10 mmorpgs 😳 such pro he is
north torrent
10 unfinished prototype games with clunky graphics.
zinc matrix
eaeae
i like these graphics
it is unfinished because i lost a sense of self and a sense of its code
north torrent
That's fine. Happens to us all.
It just doesn't give you the right to look down on other people.
zinc matrix
ugh it's so annoying to light a room in unreal im confused on how to do it
foggy path
at least with static lights a decent method I found was to place the lights you want, and initially configure them to look good directly under the light
then keep increasing the indirect intensity until it lights up the room to the level you want
zinc matrix
i put a directional light in it and built it, looks horrible, i even made the intensity all the way up
foggy path
yeah dynamic lights look like shit most of the time :P
zinc matrix
looks like alien poop
north torrent
I haven't had street food in a long time.
zinc matrix
i had it like twice or three times since corona
dusky shuttle
Bacon not cooked enough
median wraith
wtf is that
as diff named the bacon isn't cooked and they make a sideways burger
and they made a foking tortilla francesa that isn't cooked
lol
someone in korea just discovered the european food it seems
that you get, I usually don't do it, but once you intoxicate people with uncooked food
zinc matrix
eat raw meat to be strong
north torrent
I thumbs down any tutorial video where someone uses a Mac, right before I shut it off.
rigid shoal
I don't understand how so many software devs can/want to use a Mac for software development.
zinc matrix
cause they have smooth brains
I HATE THE LIGHTING IN UNREAL
someone pls help me in level design
foggy path
macs are fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zinc matrix
yup
fine with being trash and overpriced
ugh i need to get this lighting done RIGHT NOW this game jam ends in 6 days
foggy path
trash how? :P
zinc matrix
The package right out of the box is pretty powerful: an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32 GB of RAM, an AMD Radeon 580X graphics card, and a 256 GB solid-state drive. Those internals can be scaled up dramatically, to a 28-core CPU, 1.4 terabytes (1,400 GB) of RAM, multiple GPUs, and 4 terabytes of storage
.
how is this 6000?
foggy path
how is it trash?
zinc matrix
why get this when i can get something better than this for half the price
IT'S 6000$ FOR THIS SHIT SPECS
foggy path
that doesn't make it trash, it just makes it overpriced :P
zinc matrix
so it's trash for the price
light spruce
Depends on what you're developing, really. If you're working on web targeted stuff it absolutely doesn't matter what you're using, and a lot of mac os stuff is less awful for things like basic file management.... also has a proper posix terminal
foggy path
which is quite different from being trash lol
nobody buys those high end macs anyway, macbooks is where it's at for developers
the laptops are significantly less overpriced lol
lone grail
The mac laptops are still overpriced lol
zinc matrix
and macbooks are also overpriced, when you can get a pc for much cheaper, and so are the windows laptops
light spruce
Their build quality on notebooks has definitely gone downhill though... and decent pc notebooks stopped being creaky plastic shit that would explode if you looked at them wrong.
zinc matrix
apple is like gucci or supreme it's just made for the "flex" it's not made for quality
lone grail
I have a mac book pro from 2007 I got for free, the last update it got made it run like a turtle so I could barely use it for anything
2009 I think not 7
zinc matrix
rip
light spruce
There are quite a few things that I would rather do under mac os if I felt like dealing with hackintosh bullshit ever again
lone grail
It's price tag was $3500 aswell
I did enjoy using garage band until that last update it recieved that made garageband lag... how? lol I won't use apple products because they slow down their products to force upgrades
I had a windows 95 laptop that worked brilliantly until 2012 lol
It didn't stop working it's just when I bought my first desktop for myself
zinc matrix
YEAH I THINK I GOT THE LIGHTING FIGURED OUT
lone grail
Nice
zinc matrix
ok it's not perfect, but i only have 6 days if i keep doing this the game jam will be over and i'll be worrying about lights lol
analog quartz
i have 29 lingots on duolingo poggers
i bet i can buy my way out of getting my family kidnapped by duo
lone grail
I don't know what any of that means
lone grail
I never drink coffee and I have a mostly easy time with code and mechanics, it's animating I have issues with lol
lone grail
I can have ice cappuccinos, but last couple times I had coffee it made me feel weird, fuzzy all over, headache, woozy, I used to drink coffee all the time, then after a few times of that I swore to never drink it, but I stick with tea, tea is nice
zinc matrix
yeah coffee does give headaches if you quit drinking it, never knew it did when you did drink it tho
lone grail
I was never addicted so I never had any of those side affects when I stopped drinking it
fresh heath
When I get tired of tea, I drink hot chocolate
tulip orbit
When I get tired of coffee, I go to bed. 😄
fresh heath
Coffee tastes great, but the side effects are too annoying for me
lone grail
Tea is good because there are so many different kinds, and yes hot chocolate is fantastic
foggy path
Monster Ultra
lone grail
Ugh I had blender set up correctly to use Unreal units, now when I make a cube in blender and put it in UE4 as default size it's 0.5 < 1 UE unit so I have to scale everything to 50 or to get the same height as capsule collider in blender I have to scale 90, I'm confused
foggy path
I'm confused about blender scale problems tbh
I never had to change a single setting in blender for the scale to be right in ue :P
lone grail
I had it perfect then just today its messed up without doing anything
All I had to do was change unit scale to 0.01
And I set up a UE4 Export preset
I changed blender unit scale to 1.0 and now blender units are the same as UE? when did that happen? lol
fresh heath
I just always keep it at 0.01
tulip orbit
when I export static meshes, scale is 1, FBX Units Scale, apply unit is unchecked. Never had a problem
lone grail
I did many tests just now and blender is 1 - 1 with Unreal now, 0.01 was too small
zinc matrix
im watching a tutorial and the guy just said to set the units to meter and 0.01, idk if that's true but yeah
lone grail
That's how it always used to be but now it doesn't need to be like that? I'm just really confused because mine was always set to meters and 0.01 for years, but now it's set to meters and 1.0 and it's the correct scale in UE
mossy nexus
A couple of people have said the same ponkkis