down*
#lounge
ancient ingot
light spruce
Yeah, slight exaggeration. It's 603,somethingsoemthingsomething km2
ancient hornet
24x24 km is massive
ancient ingot
thats small compared to the size of the terrains i do in arma
light spruce
probably the size of some island in the Caribbean
ancient ingot
my latest was xmas island, which oddly enough is about the same size as this
broken sigil
well if it's not a multiplayer game you could have infinitely large world by origin shifting in theory 🤷♀️
ancient ingot
yup, but this is multiplayer so i need to keep it all reasonably small, going to have a headache with origin shifting as it is even using world comp and rebasing
light spruce
That's what they did in Dungeon Siege.
And boy did it fucking suck.
The other players just had some kind of offset from the host and the shit would just stop all the time to sync players
ancient ingot
yeah is rebasing isnt done properly its total junk
broken sigil
nah how it works in UE4 is that each client stores the current origin offset and converts the location received from the server into local space
The current offset limit is around 21km, with some modifications to the engine source to store the offset as 64bit you would get probably few million KM of effective range (probably way way more than that)
ancient ingot
the offset limit being what World_Max is i guess? as that number is around 20.9 km
broken sigil
Yeah, the maximum distance that the origin can be shifted from the original location
ancient ingot
i changed mine to double the 20.9 just in case
sage tendon
24x24km small? Try walking it..
rigid shoal
Don't you run into precision problems past 5x5km?
broken sigil
the offset is stored as int32
but yes if you don't shift the origin you will run into precision issues very quickly
mossy nexus
Take a look at some of the open world games out there. Many of the Assassins Creed games boast impressive landmass sizes and all that good stuff. However I'm fairly sure it doesn't take 10 minutes to run across the width of Greece, in real life. But players rarely moan because it feels big enough. Having too much of 'empty space' is worse than having not enough. imo.
ancient ingot
yup, you just have to make sure the empty space is kept to a minimum
light spruce
that's what fast travel is for
you can have a giant landmass with nothing in it and no reason to be there
mossy nexus
Depends on the game of course. Some genre's are easier to utilise empty space.
light spruce
I want an ant-farm simulator
The actual game takes place in a storage unit, but you can go out and walk 35 kilometers through a forest for absolutely no reason
broken sigil
sounds kinda fun lol
zinc matrix
@upbeat wigeon here you have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTgrr1PSBaE
light spruce
right now I'm busy working on migraine simulator. You get one button that says "feel nauseated and wish you were dead"
ancient ingot
i used to have those aswell, no fun 😦
ancient ingot
oh that's not good, go get yourself checked out if they get any worse
mossy nexus
I get them occasionally. Usually lose around 50% of my vision during the first couple of hours of one. For me, it was certain smells or certain types of lighting that triggers them. Usually. Or the weather.
ancient ingot
mine was ice cream and flashing lights
mossy nexus
I've not tried eating flashing lights with ice cream. Certainly different.. 😄
I'm lucky though, mine usually pass after a few hours. My sister used to suffer for days.
broken sigil
I had the last one a couple of years ago, I was in a bus and the sunlight flickering through the bus windows triggered it
I also lose almost all vision
tulip orbit
so glad i've never had one 😐
broken sigil
I remember how scary it was when it first happened to me, just imagine losing vision and having no idea why 😐
carmine frigate
is it sorta like bein totally hungover?
junior meteor
i use nvidia 1060 3gb and 1 8gm ramstick
got time till i work with particles?
whats my potential
carmine frigate
1 ramstick doesnt have dual channel...
chilly igloo
1 ramstick doesnt have dual channel...
@carmine frigate im never seen any tests in 3d modeling/texturing applications which shows difference between dual vs single channel ram. Despite of that: 8Gb ram are soooo-sooo low amount of ram
crimson ruin
Hello
lone grail
Howdy 🤠
junior meteor
i been all around those maps in 1000 lifetimes ...
@zinc matrix so they kind of balance, gpu cpu> better smoother? as well as more info speed and size
@crimson ruin Hey
crimson ruin
How is everyone?
tulip orbit
tired!
alpine fern
dead
lone grail
Eating dinner here so pretty good atm
tulip orbit
I started my food late, slow cooking a roast, so I dont get to eat for a few more hours
lone grail
Dang, but a nice roast is worth the wait lol
tulip orbit
yeah, hopefully it turns out! 😄
used a tex mex marinade that has been in my pantry for who knows how long
lone grail
Nice
crimson ruin
Oof
tulip orbit
in a slow cooker?
junior meteor
had a thought, have a little app, dinner scenes app > get some crickets sound, projector, tell mom, give it a sec, pop to ue do some magic>atmosphere
or using a powere inverter to car battery for 220 output.. got confused with meaning.. foreigners..
carmine frigate
yea thats exactly how my last date went 🙂
junior meteor
but seriously, working inside room
@carmine frigate OG
fuked up
power inverter gives 30m with engine running
on v12, not cost effective
laptop, possibly, productivity increase when exposed to fresh clean air OP
fresh heath
Why annoying?
lone grail
I watched his tuts on setting up IK and something else it was helpful, if I watch tuts I usually watch them on 1.25 or 1.5x speed because it takes a while to do something or get to the point
north torrent
RTX 3090 > IK
fresh heath
I almost completely forgot how to use Substance Painter and I need to use it now, argh
If only I could delegate art to another person
Solo developers have to be like Shiva
Two arms for tech, and two arms for art
north torrent
Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches > Mr. Ponkkis.
north torrent
It is Saturday morning...
solar nebula
@tulip orbit what kinda help
tulip orbit
well mr.future, why no idling to help me
in cinematics, transform gizmo is locked out trying to animate static meshes
no gizmo in the viewport, options at the window toolbar are locked out
they're enabled under settings
north torrent
Did you eat your vegetables today, Mr. Interitus?
tulip orbit
nope. Had a delicious roast w/potatos tho
north torrent
Well, that might be what is causing your problem.
tulip orbit
problem started this afternoon tho
north torrent
Your point is?
tulip orbit
theres no causality?
north torrent
If you say so.
tulip orbit
i do say so
north torrent
That is an observable fact. I can even screenshot it.
tulip orbit
screenshot this! ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ 😄
lone grail
That looks like a super villain from some animated movie lol
north torrent
In 2010-2020 super villains are mostly big and grey and boring.
lone grail
I was thinking like Incredibles style
north torrent
I saw that movie once.
tulip orbit
it was incredible
lone grail
I saw it once or twice
tulip orbit
and woo, solved my transform issue. had to switch it to movable, outside of sequencer
lone grail
Nice, I haven't played around with sequencer yet
tulip orbit
its pretty neat, fun to see a scene come together
lone grail
Yeah it looks pretty fun, i just dunno what to do with it in my project yet, though I haven't fully decided where the project is headed quite yet though I just finished the important mechanics lol
tulip orbit
\o/
lone grail
\0/ the way of the sunbro
sage ermine
burnt wagon
i need help
my ue4 everytime i start building it fails
almost 40 minutes
this has been happening for days
nvm
zinc matrix
Hey, is it alright if I can ask for anyone's attention?
To help me out with something?
I'm sorry for bothering
zinc matrix
Hmm
zinc matrix
morning @JohnOfKarols
zinc matrix
am bored
ancient ingot
@zinc matrix sure you can
ancient ingot
boil the kettle a few times, chuck it in the bath and have a bath instead ?
light spruce
just more genital punches
zinc matrix
no nigey
light spruce
I need to find something to do with my right space bar
north torrent
Get an RTX 3090.
light spruce
I don't think that's something that I can map to a keyboard key
north torrent
You can if you try hard enough.
I am thinking about going Micro ATX instead of ITX for my RTX 3090 build.
light spruce
full atx or get out
scratch that, e-atx or over a waterfall inside of a bag of rocks
light emitting fans?
I'm going to keep things cool by swirling some photons at it
north torrent
I want to get the RTX 3090 with the most massive 3 slot heatsink on the market. But I want a case that only have 3 PCI slots and two 120mm x 25mm fans right below those 3 slots. That way instead of using the 3 90mm x 15mm fans that come with the card, I will just remove the shroud and the fans. Plug the case fans into the graphics card and cool the graphics card with fans that are literally pulling in outside air not case air.
This is getting close to what I am looking for.
No ssds in the bottom though, just two 120mm x 25mm Noctua fans blowing directly on the naked heatsink of the RTX 3090.
light spruce
other way around
north torrent
I have been debating using them as out-take fans. I have seen several videos of people who got significant improvements by doing that.
light spruce
That's the way to do it
north torrent
If I was using the case above I would mount my air cooler to be up and down and not front to back.
north torrent
Too loud and too small and not as good at cooling.
light spruce
From every aspect you can consider
north torrent
It is crazy how much quieter my PC is with a Noctua fan on the GPU as opposed to a Gigabyte Aourus fan.
But even a cheap 120mm x 25mm fan is going to beat any 90mm x 15mm fan like you find on GPUs.
light spruce
It's a simple physics problem.
north torrent
I am talking about third party GPUs, Mr. Ponkkis. I will have to see how Nvidias new design works in practice before I can comment.
If I buy the founders edition I will not be removing the fans because there is no way I could find fans to fit their heatsink design.
light spruce
It'll be the same kind of issue because the design goal is always "good enough at load to not throttle below stock speed and fit into whatever space we say that it's going to"
north torrent
But it would also make sense that a company like Noctua that only ever thinks about fans and heatsinks would make better fans and heatsinks that a company that makes GPU chips.
light spruce
Which is how you wind up with a 2.5 slot card that sounds like a jet being catapulted from an aircraft carrier
north torrent
So anyways, if I was using the case pictured above I would air cool my CPU with this, but have it facing up and down blowing all the air onto the back of the GPU.
Wrong link, lol.
light spruce
https://youtu.be/QUaZVpN51Po?t=385 that was the video that I just happened to see recently with regard to using some tiny-ass case
light spruce
it's interesting that the intake is actually quite a bit louder too
north torrent
I am going for a bigger case than him though, but still Micro ATX.
But I am going to be waiting to see how the Founders Edition card performs with its fans before I settle on a build design.
Nvidia is usually disappointing with its thermal performance and noise, so I won't get my hopes up, but it is nice to see them trying something new this time.
light spruce
the new thing being way more aggressive than other board makers have done with having a cooler larger than the PCB?
north torrent
It also has a fan on the back and front and a sort of push pull thing going.
light spruce
I wouldn't really call that new so much as "kind of a requirement whenever you put a third of your memory on the back of the PCB"
north torrent
So, have you heard anything about whether or not there will be any new PSUs that will support Nvdia's new power cable?
They said there would be an adapter, but if I am going to have to buy a bigger PSU anyways, might as well wait and get one that has the new port.
light spruce
At least I think it was a third. I don't remember how much.
I don't know anything about them having a new power connector. I just know about partner boards going up to 3x8 pin power input instead of 2
north torrent
Taking the shroud off of my mini RTX 2070 has given me great results.
light spruce
oh. So it's a 12-pin. So it's just two six pin ones shoved together
and pinned differently because of course
Not really the biggest fan of it when they do that "fuck standards, we'll just make some shit up"
see also: g-sync
north torrent
They claim it can deliver more power. I will wait and see the reality when people on YouTube start testing it.
As I am stuck in China at the moment I don't plan on buying the first batch of RTX 3090s available even though I have the money. I usually buy stuff like that when I visit the US.
light spruce
That's ... misleading
The only benefit of it being a single 12-pin connector is that ... it's one cable.
The only way you can handle greater current on it is by having higher gauge cabling.
You still wind up with the same number of +12V pins
Actually, the more I've thought about it... it's just going to create a worse problem
light spruce
By having an adapter, it means that the current limit for existing wire gauge is totally fine. But if they keep that connector and start having cards that draw more than that amount... you're just creating a fire hazard
ancient ingot
arse!
north torrent
Having Mr. Nigey anywhere near your computer is a fire hazard.
ancient ingot
haha oi !
light spruce
one of the reasons for standards bodies is so people don't burn their fucking house down.
ancient ingot
omg
light spruce
Is it wrong that I want to know what options there are besides "Work it"?
ancient ingot
yes 😛
light spruce
ancient ingot
lol
light spruce
ah... shitty flash videos... do not miss
ancient ingot
50,000 units is how many meters ?>
rigid shoal
50000cm to meters
So... 500?
ancient ingot
yup okies tnx, my brains dead this morning lol
rigid shoal
Bro, shitty flash videos and amateur videogame cartoons were PEAK internet times.
Now everything is dog shit.
light spruce
flash was always dog shit
rigid shoal
YouTube is great software wise, but DOG SHIT content wise.
north torrent
Would you use a 4 slot GPU in your rig?
light spruce
it's not like I need pcie slots for anything in my desktop box
north torrent
I find the trick to YouTube is to have multiple accounts so that your video recommendations of each account can be kept separate. So I have one just got game design stuff. It doesn not recommend me too much trash like my main account does.
One is just for history documentaries.
My main account just recommends trash all the time.
rigid shoal
That's... too much work.
north torrent
light spruce
Even easier: Don't watch things on YouTube
north torrent
Well, I wouldn't expect someone with rich parents to want to do work.
I will absorb knowledge wherever I can find it. In 2020 it is easy to find information, but sorting through the bullshit is the challenge that takes up my energy.
I'm watching a documentary on steam trains right now.
It is 6 parts... sigh...
ancient ingot
so if my world max size is 16x16km should i just keep world_max at 21km or increase to something like 30km ?
rigid shoal
I think information is getting harder and harder to find. As strange as that may be.
light spruce
I'm watching a thing about retroreflectors
rigid shoal
From that technology guy, I saw that video.
light spruce
I think you win, but only by a bit
rigid shoal
I would assume world_max is just for the absolute value of an axis. I don't know.
ancient ingot
yeah its a max per axis value
rigid shoal
I don't see why 21km wouldn't be fine then.
ancient ingot
i was going to do 22x22 thats why i increased it
light spruce
I have a retroreflective sign behind me right now
rigid shoal
Why? You steal street signs?
light spruce
Nope. Tropical storm tossed a chevron sign into my yard. I put it back out by the road. Several weeks later, I pulled it out of the ditch where it would just be run over by county mowers.
Now, I did steal a tennis court number sign after a hurricane before.
zinc matrix
Hewwo
wind oyster
hey
north torrent
zinc matrix
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ancient ingot
ah dude that fucking sucks, hope you get yourself back on your feet soon !
fathom wadi
Im scared to death of my home having a fire. There is so much electrical stuff and the guy who wired the house was an imbecile. Been trying to move for years but everytime I start to make money, it gets spent. Then when I don't make money, Im playing catchup. In the meantime, I get so worried I can't sleep unless someone else is awake.
That being said, sorry @zinc matrix . Hope you get back on your feet soon and I hope you had some cloud source control.
solid aurora
@ancient ingot world Max, is about 20km
That being said
Nav mesh have issues at about 2km from origin
Physics queries more or less keep up
Origin rebasing is at best, half working
I wouldn't really bother, doing really big world in ue4
Without some hefty engine engineering
Ah the tools, the tools were never really made to work on big world in editor, you will run in performance issues
median wraith
Only God knows how much I ate the UE4 storage system
Imagine at buy a pack you export the content and some images export as T3D
wtf
ancient ingot
@solid aurora that's just being defeatest 😛
fathom wadi
@median wraith yeah its stupid. There are so many shared assets amongst projects, that I can't understand why they didn't do a full on shared object system. Think what this is going to be like in UE5 when every project is just a clone of Megascans and Quixel assets?
median wraith
On Unity at buy something the sources come included, I had already to contact with 3 creators in order to please give me the sources of the project because the files re corrupted or a mess
fathom wadi
I should whip up some plugin for it really. I'm stuck in burnout mode so a new thing to do might inspire me
median wraith
Yeah I cannot get some things tbh
mossy nexus
Think what this is going to be like in UE5 when every project is just a clone of Megascans and Quixel assets?
@fathom wadi Shhhh, that was ***our *** secret idea, I told ya!
fathom wadi
I just want to put this here because Kitbash are decent and this sale is worth it. I am not affiliated with K3D at all, but I do appreciate them.
mossy nexus
If I had the cashes I'd buy the bashes
fathom wadi
me too. I have 3 of them so far.
median wraith
I'm working with VSCode and have to say is kinda cool
fathom wadi
I should check that out but its hard to switch mid-projects
median wraith
I'm trying to export a scene to other engine
Actually trying to export the assets, no the scene
so lets see what happen
ported all the textures to png using my tool
but now will need to open and edit model by model on Blender
hasty cargo
hevedy you should use the png export plugin
fixes any problems with ue4 not being able to export some stuff
median wraith
well anyway tool I had covered that problem so
oh
you say to export that
is the marketplace one ?
hasty cargo
I know some textures get compressed or data removed on import by ue4
and you cant export them or something like that
but png plugin does it
solid aurora
Shared assets are like shared libs
You want it
Until you have it
Then you hate it
And want self contained packages
median wraith
yeah I mean you expect to have files
once I were 1H to UE4 export audio files from something I bought
solid aurora
Better to get raw files and manage it manually per project
median wraith
yeah the problem is they don't add it
Unity have the most equal to that as the pngs are the original
go the folder
filter by png get all
in UE4 the only change is open the project and export all
and wait for it
Godot uses kind like Unity
the import options are stored in a file with the same name
hasty cargo
I like how in unity you can work with the seperate objects of a fbx
In ue4 lose so much time going from maya / max to ue4 and back and forth
median wraith
I have to setup meshes now
will be super fun
Another thing
Epic didn't finished the glft import/export
Probably by UE6
The Blender scales still foked on FBX
fathom wadi
Shared assets are like shared libs
@solid aurora It's true. We had SOs in Flash and they were cool, until you needed slight changes to an asset, then it added redundancy and made the system moot in a way. But that being said, the advantages outweighed the negatives. Considering we have version control built in and everyone is using the same assets, we may as well at least create one just for megascans assets.
median wraith
@hasty cargo good news, had the plugin installed
fathom wadi
If you slap an index in the header, you can filter which SOs are relevant too. So you could have multi-packs.
hasty cargo
😄
median wraith
When your engine cannot detect its own extensions
light spruce
ancient ingot
you found the soap ?
light spruce
So.. Skittles and liquor. Breakfast of champions.
zinc matrix
e
north torrent
median wraith
lol
hasty cargo
no problem @median wraith glad it worked
light spruce
dated and non-performant?
ancient ingot
i was looking at lumberyard the other day
median wraith
there is native C++ too thats x10 C# but don't feel like will enter into that dirt lands
lone grail
C# is pretty nice
solid aurora
@fathom wadi my point, shared assets work only within the same project
Just like shared libs
Otherwise you run into standard dependency hell
fathom wadi
yeah I meant to make a wrapper for others to import. So you could have a shared object directory for Unreal based games. If the games use the megascans, it can get the assets from the shared lib. It would save download time and bandwidth on every unreal game as long as people had the initial shared objects.
solid aurora
Other option is to put assets in plugins cooker is smart enough pick only used ones
I don't see a point
Megascans
Caches downloads anyway
You 9nly have to export it per project from local data
fathom wadi
well not per unreal game surely?
solid aurora
Project == game
solid aurora
U real by default is setup in the way
That make possible to work without complicated setup
Like shared network caches etc
You can easily enough add them for studio work
fathom wadi
yeah work isn't the issue. I mean purely from the point of view of the gamer who is going to get UE5 games, that probably all use megascans, and have to have several copies of those megascans assets. Every game will redownload it's version. We could just seperate them in a way, so games can eliminate the need to download and use up all the disk space.
fathom wadi
its not really
solid aurora
Really
fathom wadi
and not pointless if it saves hundreds of gb
solid aurora
It's the same hell as system libraries
It's better to have better compression
Or bigger ssd
Which people will.have
fathom wadi
not everyone can afford a bigger SSD. Most of the world is poor :p
I appreciate there are caveats though. Im only spitballing it right now but its come up before too
north torrent
SSDs are life.
mossy nexus
M.2 are liferer
fathom wadi
organic drives are the new thing. BotNets developed with Neuralink so we can use the capabilities of the collective mind.
crystal badger
I would have thought more would have been talking about the edi loans. Search is coming up with only one result.
median wraith
Actually still don't know whats going on with this engine and why the normals are always absurd
fathom wadi
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible
light spruce
if I ever write an engine (I won't) I'll make sure to use X as the up axis so that no one ever uses it and I don't have to do bug fixes for this entirely hypothetical oh god the alcohol has already kicked in
foggy path
why even use X as an axis to begin with
just make up your own
Q W and E because they're next to each other on the keyboard or something
light spruce
you think I would take advice from someone with "Z" in their handle? I know a z-axis agenda when I see it
light spruce
No. Three. When Gimli shows up and says, "And my axe!" you ask him politely, but firmly, to leave
I don't know why that says edited. I got it right the first time.
foggy path
how are you going to represent non-euclidean geometry with just three
light spruce
float OldRacistWhiteGuy
sorry. I didn't realize you wanted your non-Euclidean geometry to be exploding geometry that looks like the memory on your graphics card just shit the bed
north torrent
foggy path
^ portals?
north torrent
Ok, give me your YouTube password and I will check next time.
light spruce
and deprive you of leaving HACKEDBYCHINA in my inbox repeatedly? never
carmine frigate
i would go with qwe axis
carmine frigate
UV starting 0,0 on top left is not my thing tho
lone grail
UVs 0,0 is best in the center
carmine frigate
i could work with that
foggy path
it should be a four number system where each number is distance from one edge
carmine frigate
ow yea and than u can just pick 2 u like
light spruce
Just the distance from only one of the four edges
carmine frigate
or 1 and an angle
light spruce
this is like crowdsourcing the shittiest engine design
light spruce
that would somehow still wind up in larger scale use that cryengine
carmine frigate
you just give ppl every possible option to make it total shit
foggy path
Malbolge based game engine
light spruce
might as well give them all the tools to fail because they probably will anyway
lone grail
I can't tell if your still talking about cryengine lol
light spruce
who knows
lone grail
Start with a bread board
foggy path
I have a basic understanding of how CPUs, RAM, etc. works on the chip level but that's probably not quite enough even for a super basic display adapter
light spruce
I didn't watch it, but I had something show up for exactly that kind of thing
foggy path
I guess if you have a DAC that could output a suitable signal for a monitor it might not be super difficult to make it display at least colors
light spruce
I call it "The Epilepsy Tester 900"
carmine frigate
jensen made em in an oven i think
light spruce
And then you just need your drivers to rewrite instructions from all the programs it's supposed to display and that's how you become nvidia
carmine frigate
but these new cards are self heating
light spruce
230? ain't nobody got time for that. My iron is set at 400
carmine frigate
ill save some power and solder it while its still running hot
light spruce
I'm not sure you know how power works
robust gulch
monkey
light spruce
that is clearly a chimpanzee
rigid shoal
https://i.imgur.com/Rz40naD.jpg
Chimpanzee feet are unsettling.
Chimps will also fuck you up.
light spruce
... is that a common issue?
(if it is, I'm done)
The way that was going, it was "yeah, people are putting hands in place of feet"
YAY RED MESSAGES
zinc matrix
lmao found new feature https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/266954080654589953/751872462886666330/0KRy6OkeOJ.gif
light spruce
dynamic lighting only
light spruce
is it some early access nightmare?
I've been trying to decide on some game that lets me build some kinda shit
tulip orbit
factorio
light spruce
kinda was thinking about finally getting satisfactory
tulip orbit
also a good choice
light spruce
have factorio
I don't use that weird space currency
christ.. I don't know what would be more upsetting... playing Counter-Strike or watching it
(the answer, of course, is "anything to do with Valorant")
counter-strike and a rootkit... where do I sign up for a DPRK prison early release program?
light spruce
hmm... if only I could find a way to combine 3000 hours of playtime in one game with Russian roulette...
rich quiver
next month
rugged storm
ah yes
rare sparrow
0.0 ms is pretty fast 
rugged storm
yes
zinc matrix
Hi
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix hullo
anyone else listens to songs on yt and gets dopamine increased and is like dam i should be singer
sage tendon
No
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix yes with shakira songs
zinc matrix
but they are bad
elfin jungle
I want this background to be solid green. Any thoughts?
Trying to get a greenscreen going so i can do a record and use in Adobe Premiere
But I can't seem to figure out how to set the background to solid green. I only get to choose from the different lighting presets (Enviroment Cube Maps)
proven thorn
Man, I really hate dealing with streaming audio 😐
Converting from float array to short array to byte array, ensuring the streaming buffering sizes are just right
ancient ingot
sounds great fun
proven thorn
It is, but like all problems; it's great when it is solved.
ancient ingot
yup
proven thorn
Audio is just super fidley as well
Incorrect offsets or data alignment results in crackling or pops
zinc matrix
hello
north torrent
I don't talk to people with meme profile pictures.
rugged storm
epic games store is broken or something
somehow i'm downloading this
I was installing goap engine plugin
and I saw this clicked on it
and now this
oh nevermind
it still only installed goap
ancient ingot
join the club
tulip orbit
its looking like I'll have one of those days too
ancient ingot
😦
tulip orbit
only been up for a few hours so far, but all I've done is have breakfast and a nap
ancient ingot
lol lazy shit 😛
tulip orbit
😄
ancient ingot
why oh why is this engine so crap for larger terrains 😦
tulip orbit
obvious solution is smaller terrains?
ancient ingot
nope smaller wont work in my project
tulip orbit
what does it do badly?
ancient ingot
ive already shrunk down to 8x8
replication, physics, animation, apparently its all wank on a large multiplayer terrain
tulip orbit
ahh...
ancient ingot
best thing to do .. make some prototypes and hope ue5 has the issues fixed
tulip orbit
arent there large terrain games out there with ue4? how do they do it?
ancient ingot
yup, they must have some very good coders to fix shit, i dont have their budget :/
ancient ingot
well i guess if you have enough clever people and alot of money you can get it to work? i dunno...
foggy path
Yeah I mean you'd think that at least in case of Fortnite they'd put the fixes into the engine
ancient ingot
apparently fortnite is at the limit of what i can do in terms of large scale stuff, i reckon thats a lie and they saving all the fixes as "features" for UE 5
lone grail
What is the main issue?
ancient ingot
32 bit precision
further away from the origin point the worse it gets
also physics and animation gets wacky after 2km
valid kelp
isnt that what world origin shifting is for?
ancient ingot
yup, but guess what, that is broken too 😦
valid kelp
ah it is?
lone grail
The physics and animations wouldn't those be a seperate issue from the terrain?
ancient ingot
i thought so adam but everything ive been told so far says its all the same thing, ue + multiplayer + big worlds = nasty
lone grail
There are ways to have it work smoother if you chop it into chunks load in / out on client side but have certain things world based like physics, would that not help in any way?
world based I mean sever based sorry
ancient ingot
it's something i'm looking in to, i already planned on world composition, small tiles of 2017, no a huge 1 piece terrain, that would just not work on most systems
foggy path
Tbh I suspect most engines will struggle with large worlds out of the box
Unless that's literally the sole purpose its been built for
ancient ingot
they do, and yeah to be fair i shouldnt expect it to just work
lone grail
Yeah world composition is something I've used for single player and I really like it very easy to work with imo, isn't that how fortnite does it? world comp and load in / out based on distance and / or region / trigger boxes?
ancient ingot
yup yup thats how they do it, how they fix the physics and animation errors i dunno, im not that clever lol
lone grail
What's causing the errors?
ancient ingot
[6:49 PM]
as this is the float limit
[6:50 PM]
to which you theretically still get milimter precision
[6:50 PM]
but long before that detailed simulation like animation, physicalized bodies movement will start breaking
[6:51 PM]
the 2k is where all of it still have enough precision```I'm not sure how you want your project, but could you load in physics objects on client side within the 2k radius, if for example you have a breakable object that is physical, you could make it not physical or swap out for a static mesh if you need to keep it there on server side so it loads in client but then spawns server side once demolished and is static? I dunno just coming up with an example that might spark something
ancient ingot
i really dont know, it's something i'll have to look in to, for now i'm going to get a 16k terrain in to unreal and see what breaks, hopefully i can drive my humvee on it without weirdness lol
fallow finch
hiii
fallow finch
i need someone to help me with LLC Registration in USA How can we do it
Easiest way
ancient ingot
tnx Adam
lone grail
No problem.
@fallow finch I'm not from America and not familiar with the America gov site but shouldn't there be information and the required steps on the gov website regarding small business registration?
I guess it would be based on each state site maybe? I dunno but In Canada it's provincial
fallow finch
@lone grail Because i want to register in PS and Xbox ID so they told me we should have LLC company registered in USA
im not citizen and im not living in USA 😄
lone grail
Ohhh I find that weird that you need to register with US as well
fallow finch
its normal in some states that you register a company from outside
but idk how xP
i wanted to add crossplatform Features to my game and update it later step by step
lone grail
I found this, it mentions filing a LLC and opening a company without being a US citizen or from another country (saving for my self for when I get to that point too)
https://howtostartanllc.com/open-a-company-in-the-usa
fallow finch
i will check it one sec
lone grail
Okay, it looks pretty solid with steps and links, hope it's what you need
lone grail
Oh that's pretty cool, I always tend to do things myself I keep forgetting there are services out there for pretty much everything 😅
fallow finch
i think this one very easy just pay and wait xD
lone grail
@fallow finch I was just reading through the Playstation developer registration information and nothing there states you need your company to be registered in the US, it just needs to be registered as a corporate entity in general
light spruce
you still have to file for an EIN yourself
fallow finch
light spruce
You need a registered agent for an LLC, which can be some company offering that service, or just someone you know. Obviously, as a commercial service, it's going to cost you yearly. The state chosen will have its own requirements on what you have to pay for your registration fee, plus any yearly fees. You have to send a form to the IRS to get an EIN. You have to file a 5472 and 1120 with the IRS every year. Also, the state may have specific reporting and/or tax requirements that need to be met each year.
lone grail
Does the IRS only deal with american companies?
light spruce
and if your LLC needs a US bank account, that's a whole other thing
What do you mean?
lone grail
Can you only file an EIN with the IRS if your company is registered in America?
light spruce
that's the only reason you'd need to get an EIN is if you're going to have a registered company of some kind in the US
lone grail
Okay that makes sense
fallow finch
Its all good easy but the problem how much monthly or yearly
light spruce
You're looking at at least 300 up front
and however much it costs you for the things that you have to fax or physically mail
lone grail
Damn they don't email? lol
I'm gonna do a little bit of sculpting practice before my day job, cya guys and good luck
tulip orbit
👋
light spruce
you can't get an EIN online as a foreigner
fallow finch
no ı was talkıng about virtual office
light spruce
And you may have to send the documents yourself for forming an LLC depending on the state versus simply being allowed to have your registered agent do it
fallow finch
oh well
light spruce
not a problem I've run across because I am my registered agent
fallow finch
in Turkey where i live little bit hard like monthly payment 100-150$
and my salary just 237$ 😄
light spruce
Yeah, I can register one for fifty bucks
fallow finch
yes thats why i said its easy
fresh heath
The best Quake 2 engine game is back: https://store.steampowered.com/app/632950/SiN_Reloaded
fathom wadi
I remember everyone going mental over that game when it came out. But it ran like arse on most machines at the time.
fresh heath
Yeah, it took forever to load any level
fathom wadi
I remember it had some dynamic lighting setup iirc. Only seen in a couple of games at the time.
fathom wadi
I have the original sin. God gave it to me. Bastard.
tulip orbit
you deserved it tho 😉
fathom wadi
@tulip orbit It's true. The thing is, I was dead when I was born, so technically, all my original sin was forgiven upon my death because God is Good. Except, he didn't like the way I wouldn't bow down to him. So he kicked me back out of heaven so I could sit here on Earth and whine about all the bullshit in the world.
thorny dock
rolls for turn undead
fathom wadi
I should be dead many times over by now. I don't know what sick game the universe is playing with me, but it has to stop. Either give my the success I work my arse off for, or let me go.
light spruce
and by researching, he means playing
I'm guessing mostly laziness, really
navmeshing would be different... and then there's the part about ...how much can you typically do while swimming?
You ever try to fight in water?
valid kelp
you essentially need a whole new pathfinding system
to get 3d nav
so a lot of devs are prob like, lets just not do that
I suppose you can just have npcs tread water, so its 2d though
plus anims for all the swimming states
its a pain haha
light spruce
Yeah, you basically have a hole in your navmesh
So unless you take it into account... it's probably going to break. And, in a lot of cases, it's probably not worth it to solve
I've definitely played stuff where it'd break down while you were in the water.. but swimming across something and getting out... you totally exist again, so they go back to chasing you down
from a practical standpoint, you're very limited with what you can do in the water
grapple and then stab someone is about all you can really do
dim ruin
gtfo. this is one of the free assets this month on the marketplace?!
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/uiws-unified-interactive-water-system
that is fucking awesome
fathom wadi
hmm possible a mercy buyout because they are gonna implement some of it into the engine?
dim ruin
hope it performs better than the demo then lol
its an amazing asset but with even only reasonable graphics settings it runs like shit
fathom wadi
still nice though. suprised they can't do some crazy raytrace generated or voxelised water these days. Might see some new stuff pop up with the 3000 series
dim ruin
yeah probably. 3000 series looks amazing. AND I will actually be able to afford one! lol
dim ruin
the prices are amazing on them
fathom wadi
even the lowest card would be an upgrade for a 1080ti I guess. But I want that 3090.
dim ruin
yeah thats pretty awesome. 3070 will outperform the 2080 ti lol
and its like $499
16 GB memory
fathom wadi
crikey 10 new items in the free for the month section alone on the epic site. We are truly blessed.
dim ruin
oh my bad, says the 3070 starts at 8 GB. still not a bad pool for entry level
fathom wadi
How Im gonna upgrade I dunno. I need an entirely new system. Just gonna have to slug it out a bit longer.
light spruce
still hoping to see AMD put out something reasonable
median wraith
fun fact about water
UE3 had a water planes that basically did the same of that asset
Rama made a port time ago on the forums
that was a lot of time ago
In other news
Crytek posted this
and a guy replied with this image
And turns out that Crytek said they remade the models, if you check both images the left-top corner the tree where the mountain ends have the same poly and same angle polycount/faces
🤖
They did a nice job on far vistas etc in other hand
fresh heath
At least it's not "look like Minecraft"
broken sigil
fortnite actually looks impressively good so I'm not sure why is that getting used as an insult
light spruce
depends on your style preferences
broken sigil
some people are just butthurt about anything that's popular in general
light spruce
I'm not a fan of the game or its art direction
broken sigil
I played it for almost 4k hours before I got sick of it, almost managed to qualify for world cup lol
dim ruin
anyone check out Spellbreak yet?
light spruce
for a kinda similar visual style, I'd prefer both Overwatch and Borderlands over it
dim ruin
I was kind of disappointed. Its very much like Realmroyale but the worlds are too big in matches and gets boring fast
Realmroyale was at least much more polished
light spruce
one of the complaints I saw about Spellbreak was that it got really difficult to have any idea what the fuck was going on
dim ruin
yeah the controls are kinda odd
light spruce
colored tornado shit all over the place
dim ruin
there's a neat spell mechanic where spells can be combined but I feel like the game needs a lot of work. I really don't think it'll pick up
not too the playerbase it would need to sustain anyway
fresh heath
Blender's automatic bone weight algorithm is rather imprecise
fathom wadi
it is indeed
fresh heath
One leg affects the other
fathom wadi
but then what should you expect. It had to average out really
fresh heath
I'm now painting it manually
tulip orbit
I think theres a bone envelope setting that will help with that, but I've never tried. always gone manual
fathom wadi
I do all my painting manually now. It helps to keep your vertex groups fresh at every opportunity
fresh heath
Mixamo never glued my meshes' legs together before, but I really want to use Epic's skeleton so I decided to deal with Blender's algorithm
fathom wadi
I don't much like using the epic skeleton in Blender tbh. I like to create a new one that is almost like it, so I can retarget it later. But if I ever get my head into Rigify, im using the UE4 tools. It's just... I dunno. Rigify is a bit of a mess.
fresh heath
@zinc matrix Do you remember what it's called?
fresh heath
Thanks, I'm gonna try it
fathom wadi
ive used it a few times. it works nice
fresh heath
It seems Mixamo isn't being developed much anymore after Adobe bought it
At least they didn't shut it down
I don't think I have seen any new features added ever since I found it
fathom wadi
yeah I stopped using it a long time ago. It was handy though for some time.
Time to go see if that Forza game is any good. Project Cars 3 was utter tripe. I've had better graphics setup using Gran Turismo 4 and an emulator.
fresh heath
I wonder if deep learning could be somehow used to improve Blender's automatic bone weight calculation
Seems to be a perfect task for neural networks
I think I've heard that it's exactly what Mixamo already uses
This seems relevant: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.00559.pdf
There's even the source code, in Python
Someone less lazy than me should port it to Blender 😄
fathom wadi
man I only played the intro race in Forza and it's already crapped on Project Cars 3. Shame on you PC3. Shame.
mossy nexus
recommend this tool for use with Mixamo animations http://terribilisstudio.fr/?section=MC
wooden kayak
rich quiver
plucky pagoda
@fresh heath @fathom wadi The auto skinning algorithms that come with auto-rig pro for Blender are pretty good. It has a voxel based one that is very good with skinning separated meshes.
dim ruin
@zinc matrix mixamo works pretty well if you use good geometry and place the little doodads precisely
ancient ingot
morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrning
ancient ingot
hey @median wraith !
median wraith
oh is that Final Fantasy engine
Yesterday were checking docs
some people uses particles systems on Godot to spawn the foliage
seems like the best solution as does the auto distance and all but well
ancient ingot
Luminous Engine, originally called Luminous Studio, is a multi-platform game engine developed and used internally by Square Enix. The engine was developed for and targeted at eighth-generation hardware and DirectX 11-compatible platforms, such as Xbox One, the PlayStation 4, and versions of Microsoft Windows.
zinc matrix
mixamo running animations rshit tho
i had to handcheck 30 of them to pick 3 good ones
ancient ingot
😮
north torrent
RTX 3090
mossy nexus
RTX 3090 Ti
rugged storm
never seen epic games launcher crash
was downloading stuff from unreal engine marketplace
gilded vigil
RTX 3090 SUPER confirmed
north torrent
RTX 3090 Super Ti.
Though honestly, for a 3090 Super to exist, wouldn't there need to be a 3100 or something?
If I am not mistaken the Super lineup can't exist without there being a next step up from the card. I think 2070 Supers for example use the same pcb as the 2080.
static spire
Heya all! Does anyone know what's the average salary for game developers with ue4? Like if a person has worked for 3-5 years what yearly gross would he get in a company?
north torrent
A lot more than Unity.
But still not worth it...
Go become an investment banker.
static spire
But let's say gross 4200 eur/month is it a lot or a 3+ year xp dev can ask more?
sage tendon
I would say its too much
alpine fern
depends what you're working on, and where
sage tendon
Perhaps 2 to 3k, 4k would be exceptional
foggy path
100% depends on location too yeah
alpine fern
I'm making more than that
foggy path
you're gonna get paid a lot more say in San Francisco than most other places for example :P
sage tendon
@alpine fern then you either have your own company or you have your own company
Ye well housing is more expensive there too
2k starter, 5k ceiling for high value veterans is the european norm
alpine fern
pro tip: don't work in europe
foggy path
yeah that sounds about right for europe tbh
unless you live in somewhere like London which is expensive
sage tendon
Where in europe?
alpine fern
you could get a remote position
foggy path
Sounded like it was just "because you're paid less in europe" lol
sage tendon
Western europe is double expenses compaired to eastern europe
foggy path
but yeah if you can get a remote position at a US company as a european that can be a ticket to significantly higher salaries :P
sage tendon
Dont forgot that salary is tailered to local/regional expenses
foggy path
not always
zinc matrix
:E
static spire
I'll try researching a bit about it in my region maybe ask around some people who worked remote, thanks a lot!
dim ruin
welcome grasshopper
dim ruin
too soon to say
dreamy siren
Huh?
dim ruin
not enough coffee yet to determine today's outcome
dreamy siren
Okay
I am learning gamedev from YouTube
Watching some tutorials
Of heighmaps
Can i get help here?
static spire
brings back memories...
dreamy siren
I'm sorry
dim ruin
Check #ue4-general or #graphics
just curious, what are you trying to figure out with heightmaps?
dim ruin
heh
dreamy siren
I'm a noob
dim ruin
well, I'll give you 2 bits of advice on that.
- UE4 uses something called landscapes with which you can import heightmaps for.
- If its dynamic terrain you're after (runtime editable), there is a ProceduralMesh plugin for the engine or a 3rd party one called RuntimeMeshComponent that does the same and more and performs better.
and now I send you out as a sheep among wolves 😉 brb
dreamy siren
Ik about landscapes
I'm familiar with that
I'm not good at designing 😭
I make weird looking peeks
Currently i have a useless pc
Its too slow...
Its dual core AMD A6-7480 processor
With 8GB of RAM
No SSD
ancient ingot
so use existing terrain data from err.. well.. the entire planet ! seriously, there's a whole planet of terrain data available for you to use.
zinc matrix
when unreal engine is hard as fuck so you go to lua to make you look good 😩
fresh heath
median wraith
meh that was 10 years ago, nobody remembers that <because don't want to>
actually
didn't they released the mobile games before ?
light spruce
as long as there is any platform that can run arbitrary code, someone is going to find a way to run a game on it. And the vast majority of games on any platform don't have anything to do with Epic
I just realized that I'm slightly drunk and trying to build a factory .... I can't foresee any problems here
tulip orbit
I'm feeling quite unmotivated to do anything today 😦
light spruce
take drugs; break windows
tulip orbit
have no drugs, dont wanna break my windows
light spruce
tl;dr - hard truth: you're fucked
might as well eat all the oatmeal and spaghetti dry
tulip orbit
😦
light spruce
or eat 700 lemon bars
feral swallow
I'm building a project that I intend to use to release games, but also I plan to release the framework on the marketplace. The idea is artists and even new users could use drag and drop to create entire release games in just a few days. Also plan to release a large amount of detailed tutorial videos. Anyone think this would this be eligible for a dev grant?
wooden crown
anyone good at ciphers/cryptography shit?
lone grail
I am not but I'm thinking that is probably a good thing to learn 🤔
plucky pagoda
mossy nexus
Bears! What will they get up to next? 😄
plucky pagoda
Even the bears are like fuck 2020.
lone grail
Bear just trying to find ways to make his life more exciting, good for him
astral bloom
hello there im new here
thorny dock
I can't even climb the stairs without a mason jar of coffee, that bear puts me to shame, maybe I should suck it up and put a box over my head and climb some military bases like everybody else
rare sparrow
noble quest
That moment when your code works because it fails XD
I set up my dialogue system to cast to the 3rdPC and it wasn't doing anything. Had me scratching my head for the longest time until I finally set the rest of the code to run off Cast Failed.
Then it starts working perfectly lol
plucky pagoda
fluid bloom
looks sort of like a speaker
plucky pagoda
it does, but I imagine it's more for cooling
Honestly, I like that it's small and rectangular. Easy to find a place for it.
rare sparrow
In before the S stands for Streaming and it really is just a speaker 
fresh heath
Looks like a vinyl player
tulip orbit
coffee warmer
junior meteor
lounchers, sry, i move platform by scaling it, but character fails to follow platform when it is moving.. any 1 can advise, too long stuck here)
median wraith
Just found this awesome thing
Wish UE4 had something decent alike that with sources
tulip orbit
make one? 😄
ancient ingot
yup cmon dude make 2 !
light spruce
my factory already sucks
mossy nexus
@zinc matrix meant to ask, how did you get on with your wind issue?
light spruce
you were supposed to say "it blows"
I wish there was a 3 second pause and then just vomiting blood everywhere
fresh heath
@median wraith UE4 has this: https://nte.itch.io/hammuer
light spruce
I ... why?
zinc matrix
COPE
median wraith
@fresh heath that don't even include sources
@ancient ingot I'm 2 days porting a marketplace pack to Godot
fascinating
fresh heath
@median wraith It includes sources
In fact, all Unreal plugins are mandated to include sources, afaik
median wraith
@fresh heath Yeah that's why isn't on the marketplace, from what they told, the lib source isn't included so
delicate lark
for your consideration
@light spruce imanagedtofindtheanswertothatbutplshelphowdoigetmyspacebackpls
light spruce
You don't. That's the beauty of it.
north torrent
I took the spacebar off my keyboard once... It was not easy to put back on.
light spruce
subtle, but important difference: "Get rid of" versus "Take off"
north torrent
I was trying to put on a space bar I bought that had star fishes on it... But it was the wrong size for my keyboard...
fresh heath
@median wraith I fished out my old copy of it and yeah, you're right
light spruce
Yeah, gotta know that U size.
north torrent
I was making a pirate themed keyboard with different keys I bought off of Tao Bao... but I no longer have that keyboard... sigh...
light spruce
At least at this point, it's pretty rare to have a wire stabilizer above the PCB.
Because clipping wires into keycaps can fuck right the hell off.
I would actually like a different set of keycaps, but I definitely don't have the money for that shit nor the patience to wait months on a set.
north torrent
Here in China they have different keycaps all over TaoBao.
I had a lot of wooden keys on my former keyboard.
light spruce
You can go into a petty deep rabbit hole with a lot of it.
PBT doubleshot keycaps are the way to go
🙃
light spruce
https://i.redd.it/le798uyspwl51.jpg keyboards like that make me feel the same way that giant spiders do
fallow finch
I registered for Mega grants how many days it takes to response positive or negative
quiet narwhal
1-365
1 if your project lacks merit and they can reject it immediately, 365 if your project has merit and it has to go thru review and approval
fallow finch
Oh but i wrote what they need but no trailer ready yet
I think its will be rejected
tulip orbit
I think I applied once, never heard back
fallow finch
The auto replay said within 90 days
quiet narwhal
the more reason you give them to contribute, the more likely they will
tulip orbit
project and description was bare bones tho
fallow finch
The message were in promotinal section in gmail
But i have to finish the map so i can make a trailer thats why i applied
Because i need to finish the visual stuff
median wraith
@tulip orbit dont worry you're not alone, others and me applied too months and years ago and never had reply
tulip orbit
I cant find anything related to it in my inbox either.. shrugs oh well
light spruce
the US Postal Service probably just found a way to dump all those emails in an alley somewhere alongside the regular mail.
proud pier
light spruce
I think that I would rather not have it be the two-tone
soft night
have you seen all white one
light spruce
I've just seen people posting pictures of the two color one that looks like a speaker from a minimalist art style video game
light spruce
Minimalist speaker or shitty space heater. Now I hate the entire design.
I couldn't tell before just how much vent space there was on it. Now I think just having a black rectangle for the top two thirds would have been a better idea.
Yeah, that's why now I don't like either one of them.
No idea. It would definitely be better all white if they were putting lighting in it.
RGB is just like spandex; it's a privilege, not a right.
fresh heath
Xbox Seriessssss
deft kite
I wonder what magics this guy pulled out of his hat, looks friggin awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdE58_rarMo&ab_channel=AbeyMiranda
ancient hornet
RenderTargetTest makes it look like to me
that he's rendering to a texture the "distortion" applied by the Actor
then feed that texture back to the vertex shader of the folliage
light spruce
render targets get expensive on memory surprisingly fast
median wraith
Epic gave some solution for free time ago
rich quiver
https://twitter.com/EpicGames/status/1303392659898339330 first indie publishing with Epic and Steam releases at same time
it only took 2 years
rich quiver
apple wants all the money made from fornite in the appstore back
basically
$600 million
fluid bloom
😄
fresh heath
plucky pagoda
They didn't state an amount. The full filling is included at the foot of this article: https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/08/willful-brazen-and-unlawful-apple-files-breach-of-contract-countersuit-against-epic/
chilly igloo
apple sound like "Hey! Epic makes 600$, c'mon, why they so greedy and dont want to share!". Same time apple its the company who sales so overpriced crap so its more looks like a joke. If appple make "that" amount of money selling macpro, why not to cut the price for wheels? 🤷♂️ 😆
zinc matrix
AMERICA is interesting world
like big companies sueing each other
hot shit
but r they ready for john industries
doubt
light spruce
I'm wondering if they actually waited that long for a countersuit because they wanted to see what kind of dumb shit Epic was going to do first
plucky pagoda
Quoted from the filing. ``` On August 13, 2020, in the dark hours of the night, Epic launched its underhanded scheme to breach its agreements and free ride on Apple’s investments. Around 2 a.m. on August 13, Mr. Sweeney wrote to Apple that Epic was planning to willfully breach its agreements with Apple, declaring that, “Epic will no longer adhere to Apple’s payment processing restrictions.”
Hours later, Epic changed the data on its own servers such that, when queried by the Fortnite app, Epic’s server would direct the payment interface in the app to reflect two different payment options—IAP, and Epic’s new direct payment system, which was not approved or reviewed by Apple and allowed Epic to bypass payment to Apple and divert payments from consumers to itself.
Epic thus was able to deliberately conceal its intentions from Apple and implement its unauthorized and non-compliant external payment mechanism without Apple’s permission—which it already knew from previous communications would not be granted.
Epic’s breach was flagrant and larcenous. Epic willfully “direct[ed] customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase” and created a new storefront in contravention of the Guidelines and over Apple’s explicit objection. Guidelines, ¶¶ 3.1.1. Epic breached the License Agreement by making changes without resubmission to Apple (License Agreement, ¶ 6.1),installing a store or storefront ( Id., ¶ 3.3.2), enabling purchases without using the In-App PurchaseAPI ( Id.
, ¶ 3.3.25), and providing additional functionality through distribution mechanisms outsidethe App Store ( Id., ¶ 3.3.3).
Its breach was a calculated effort—accomplished over multiple steps executed over the course of at least 10 days—designed to deprive Apple of its agreed-to commission(Schedule 2, ¶ 3.4(a)) and to interfere with Apple’s business practices in maintaining the App Store as a curated environment for its customers (License Agreement, ¶ 3.2(f)). ```
rich quiver
also apple can counter sue with the same thing epic sue them for monopoly tactics
plucky pagoda
How is that in any way possible?
plucky pagoda
How does that argument go?
rich quiver
i dont know how high level courts case works
plucky pagoda
They have a store that sells some games on various platforms with a small portion of the total sales on those platforms. That's hardly a monopoly.
plucky pagoda
You said Apple could go after Epic for a monopoly because of EGS. I'm trying to understand the logic behind that. I don't see any way to support that.
rich quiver
yes
plucky pagoda
Who's on first?
rich quiver
it sound strange but it can happen
light spruce
That sounds so stupid that the morbid curiosity of blocked messages might be too much for me to handle
rugged storm
for some reason some unreal forum tabs keeps crashing my browser
some are fine and some others just crash it
it happens on all my browsers too
rich quiver
reintall the browser
rugged storm
tried that with one
but no change
some links are fine
but some just crash the browser
it's mainly the unreal engine one
no it only crashed once
okay yeah it's just my pc
link works fine on other pc
weird nothing seems to be spiking in task manager either
fresh heath
@rugged storm Maybe your GPU drivers are broken, and some pages trigger them somehow
light spruce
sounds like time for memtest
fresh heath
You can also try Visual Studio's debugger on your browser
rugged storm
yeah idk if it's my gpu or if it's my monitors
but sometimes one will randomly go black for a second then go back to normal
fps is fine in games
no drop or anything like that just the screen goes black
then i have to switch the game to the other monitor
rarely both will go black
barely had the gpu for 5 months
fresh heath
but sometimes one will randomly go black for a second then go back to normal That sounds like a GPU driver crash
rugged storm
dang thought it was because i was using a dvi to hdmi adapter i bought on ebay
or my weird dvi cable
fresh heath
The adapter shouldn't cause any anomalies
rugged storm
it usually happens if i leave ue4 open for awhile
then it's a loop of going black here and there
randomly but then it will eventually stop
and everything will be fine
should I try and ddu and see if that helps?
fresh heath
Yes, but first run memtest
rugged storm
how would I do that?
rugged storm
okay thanks will check
light spruce
I can't decide if I'm hungry or if I just want to throw up
tulip orbit
one and then the other?
rugged storm
@fresh heath
fresh heath
@rugged storm I guess it's time for DDU then
rugged storm
alright
light spruce
or it could just turn into yet another migraine. Who knows.
rugged storm
oh now my internet is acting up
or something
the site for ddu is timing out on me
now it loaded
light spruce
I don't have any experience with the Windows memory thing. I do know that it can't do the same level of testing as memtest by virtue of having a bunch of OS stuff loaded into memory.
fresh heath
It reboots into a special environment for testing