What .... what is this conversation even about.
#lounge
proven thorn
pearl elk
Its about China spying on us
bleak flicker
@north torrent honestly probably a better planb, i agree.
but, we are all here becasue something in our passion drives us
north torrent
And that is why I don't need your money or anyone else's money.
bleak flicker
@proven thorn artists are under appreciated but find it hard to make money because art is hyper specific
proven thorn
OK?
bleak flicker
#my opinion
zinc matrix
@bleak flicker theres nothing to explain my man
pearl elk
I procedurally generate my opinions
bleak flicker
my art style translates really well to tattoos, bu tim not interested in doing tatoos
zinc matrix
Mao is a powerful person in china. in case you didnt know.
hes powerful elemental school teacher indeed
bleak flicker
lol
north torrent
I do this because I have a story to tell. I have zero intention of selling my services or any of my art besides the finished product of a game.
I'm not you or anyone else pieces for their respective games, as much as I hope all your games are successful.
zinc matrix
I HEV A STORI TO TELLL
bleak flicker
dude we all equals here; unless someone has proven words of wisdom that they can back up with IRL prwoess, its all just opinion
zinc matrix
i backup my words with my MMO
north torrent
Karol is very proud of his proof of concept prototype that he is testing, Mr. Knifd. You should check it out.
proven thorn
What sort of back up is worth while?
north torrent
I think some more people to test the online aspect of his game might help him out a lot.
bleak flicker
look. Im building an FPS. i know what I want fo rit, but I SUCK at aesthetic; I'm going to find what I want on the store, or I'm going to pay some talented kid to build it for me.
artists are valid.
just under appreciated, usually
its almost not fair, tbh
zinc matrix
bruh
make mmo
fps = start over = boring
mmo = constant progression = never start over unless new character = not boring
north torrent
I think when you assume the role of an artist is just to make pretty assets that you are under appreciating what artists add to a project as a whole.
bleak flicker
@zinc matrix as a ''pro" smite player, I actually have to agree with you.
ex
@north torrent that's fine; i accept your discourse; educate me.
I accept your challenge to my thinking; widen my thinking.
proven thorn
Choosing the right art style for your game is quite important
tepid wren
as much as I really hate c++, feels good making games again
bleak flicker
absolutely but that's a differnet conversation (OK I took an art major so i may presume that everyone undersatnds core aetsthetics)
also, I"m asking space so fuck off ๐
tepid wren
I've mostly found it the opposite, mmos are boring as hell because the progression is almost always arbitrary and not really meaningful
bleak flicker
@tepid wren im not a coder, but i've heard that before; especially from c# guys
tepid wren
with FPS games you have personal skill as progression
bleak flicker
@tepid wren i feel ya
tepid wren
which feels great
zinc matrix
EAEAEAE'
tepid wren
MMOs can be made well, in fact there are examples of this like in my mind runescape is great
bleak flicker
I'm building a PURE SKILL BASED FPS. we shall see, tho. anyway, i'm looking foward to Space's perspective
and TBH i never did runescape
tepid wren
meaningful progression, lots of unique content
and then you have wow clones
wow clones are the worst types of mmos
they don't have the content to back themselves up and they are always shallow
bleak flicker
look; the thing with clones, is
#1 they try to emulate the loop without the content
oh you said that already ๐ฆ
tepid wren
well in my mind building a wow clone is essentially the most stupid business decision you could make
you are directly competing with wow
bleak flicker
i dunno. maybe. honestly, i'd rather build somethign that WoW would pay me to include
tepid wren
why would the people who have spent 10 years+ in a game come to your clone of it
proven thorn
Well, theoreticallyWoW was competing against EverQuest
bleak flicker
everquest died
tepid wren
yet they are pretty different
zinc matrix
eaeaea
bleak flicker
How do you know a dude is Vegan????
north torrent
An art director's job is to create an experience. You have to be aware of how the different aspects of the 3d space such as the colors and the lighting can effect the way a player explores a space, how these elements can come together to tell a story, even if that game has no 'traditional' plot, there is still a story to any level or environment. You have to be aware of how the cameras effect the player experience, whether you have cinematic cameras or are simply guiding the player controlled first person camera so that the player experiences the art in a certain way that adds to the game. You have to think about how the music and the story and the environment and the gameplay work together to make the player feel something.
tepid wren
competing with other games will inevitably happen but if your game is just the exact same as an existing one what is the purpose of that
bleak flicker
because he'll tell you every 36 seconds.
north torrent
I think being a game artist is more like being a film director than just being a guy that makes pretty assets.
tepid wren
honestly not even true
the whole "they'll tell you X" trope is rarely true and is just entirely confirmation bias
bleak flicker
@north torrent I. Like. You.
that shit is so important and so misunderstood.
Thing is i know it, but have never met someone who actually cared about it
proven thorn
@north torrent I guess that's the same view an artist might have about programmers, as people who just write code.
bleak flicker
lol
i get ya
but TBH without a clear purpose for their direction, it might as well just be another asset flip
space. PM me. we can talk
north torrent
It all depends on what your place in the hierarchy of a project is, Mr. Tan.
bleak flicker
you're going to make my game easier to make
tepid wren
I have no context on what this discussion is about so I'm going to go eat some tikka masala
bleak flicker
i mean lets be real, my vision and yours need to line up for me to want you to do my art, but if they line up, im intersted in your story @north torrent
north torrent
To make a game not an asset flip you simply just have to look at the big picture of what you are making. Have a clear artistic vision, great compositions, a unified color pallet, and finish it off with good lighting and post process.
bleak flicker
@tepid wren good plan
@north torrent how do you understand this.
Most AAA get this wrong
it drives me crazy and I'm not even an art guy>
OK I am
but im more an ideas guy
north torrent
AAA games are run by business investors in suits. They believe in design by committee, playing things safe, and just doing what has worked in the past because it means a safer bet at earning some sweet sweet cash.
bleak flicker
yeah well my design philosyphy is literally "take what I hate about other games and do somethign different"
even if i can't spell most of the time.
philosophy
somethign.
lol
something
north torrent
Are you familiar with Bioware?
proven thorn
Shame what happened to that company.
bleak flicker
i know their games, in waht context do you mean?
they have a context;
and no, obv i'm not familiar
i loved their first game's story, but it felt too disjointed to me
bleak flicker
the art didnt quite pull it together at the start, but it made snese at the end; that was my problem with it, i was brought into a world that should have made sense sooner than it did
north torrent
I was listening to one of the concept artists at BioWare and one of the things he was talking about is how if you draw a character that has some unique features, and then you take that drawing to 10 different people and get their opinions...
By the time you are done getting those 10 opinions the character will be chopped away of every unique aspect and end up looking like the same generic good looking person that shows up in every single game.
proven thorn
Sounds like design by committee
bleak flicker
eh flawed characters make a story; it depends on your design goal for the game.
flaws make characters relatable
north torrent
That's what I was talking about, Mr. Tan.
bleak flicker
fuck committee; You need one guy with a vision and everyone else to believe in it
bleak flicker
I believe in the min max theory
tepid wren
you are biased, you can't think of everything getting input from someone else can help improve your designs
north torrent
That's why Studio Ghibli worked so well at making animated movies. There was always a clear person in charge to keep the vision of the project, not a committee trying to figure out what would appeal most to the most people.
proven thorn
Team members can have opinions, but one person has to make the decision in the end.
bleak flicker
you're right, but remember that if people dont believe in your vision, they wont build the best world around that
tepid wren
I think there is a difference between 1 over-arching decision maker and having them be the end all be all for ideas though
bleak flicker
@tepid wren no wrong; others can improve a design, but if those who are helping you dont really understand what you want, then their input may be less than helpful:
I am presuming that the guy/girl at the helm isn't a fucking idiot
proven thorn
I prefer to have one person making the decisions in their area of responsibility.
tepid wren
meh agree to disagree then
north torrent
I am from the United States, but I moved to the other side of the world.
tepid wren
my ideas have only really been improved from discussion with others and not blind belief that my ideas are the best
sure I'll dismiss some opinions because I just don't think they fit at all
but whatever
north torrent
bleak flicker
@proven thorn I understand where you are comign from, but you are a middle manager, or a team leader, not a director, CEO or boss.
I can tell.
bioshosck, MSG, DMS, ME3:
point?
all white amrericanized heros
'burly white dudes'
north torrent
I am not against talking to other people for ideas, Mr. Aceeri. It is good to bounce ideas off other people.
But if I have a character with a big nose, I am not going to make his nose average sized just because that person tells me I should. I can listen to someone's opinion and the respectfully disagree and go back to doing it the way I want.
But maybe that same person who wanted an average size nose for big nose guy had a unique idea for the hair. So I might take that idea but kick the average sized nose idea to the curb.
bleak flicker
oh san andreas, LOU, RDR
tepid wren
yep and that is completely fine imo
pearl elk
I think the bigger problem is most of those characters are the same nationality
north torrent
It seems like media in general really fears non-attractive female characters more than anything though. Movies, games, comic books, you name it.
bleak flicker
look; if mr big nose needs a big nose, an artists job is to make him with a big nose and trust the director to have a reason for that
@pearl elk well, caucasian anyway
tepid wren
I feel like media fears non-attractive characters in general
but female characters do get it more
north torrent
Yes, but I think females more so than males.
tepid wren
especially in AAA titles
pearl elk
Nah I dont care about skin colour, itd be fine but most of em are USA
bleak flicker
ELLIE in Borderlands has PLENTY of fan art, son
pearl elk
you can have a white guy from 30 different countries but nope, lets all have them US
north torrent
You will find a lot of non-attractive male secondary characters or sidekicks. In comedy you will find a lot more ugly males as well.
bleak flicker
okok remember something'
US caucasions sell well in war games
north torrent
But in a game it is going to be rare to have the player character be ugly.
pearl elk
Its a big problem with US media, Aussie actors for example are made less Australian to suit a US audience
pearl elk
even though with our small population we make up a huge amount of actors across the industry
proven thorn
@bleak flicker Your assumption is incorrect. I own a game studio.
bleak flicker
but the rest of the world is slowly waking up to the fuck the US mentality
@proven thorn that's OK i run a factory with 240 people in it.
proven thorn
OK? Well, I own what I own.
bleak flicker
you're still only running what... 7 people?
north torrent
I don't think that people in the US actually want all US characters. I think people generally like British and Australian voice acting. It is just the business men in suits have an idea of what people want that isn't actually what people want.
proven thorn
16 team members.
bleak flicker
don't get me wrong; I can tell that it's a small team by the language that you're using.
proven thorn
Meh, whatever.
bleak flicker
i mean no disrespect, but I can tell the difference from the types of language that you use
proven thorn
I mean, I don't really care what you say.
north torrent
I have a cat working on my team with me.
bleak flicker
lol i have 2 dogs that follow me around all day
pearl elk
Id love to see more British main characters tbh
bleak flicker
most of my team see them as food
north torrent
I think most people in the US like listening to British characters. It adds something new to the show than the characters just sounding like the people we talk to every day.
bleak flicker
and i'm talking in real space here; I make pallets on the daily.
like; the shit people put shit on so that they can go in a truck.
i make truckloads of those.
it's almost ironic, really. my factory is full of samoans, too.
pearl elk
Well the US dialects get boring, the UK has just as many too so it makes white guys seem far more diverse like they really are
north torrent
Though I mostly talk to non US people in my day to day life... Most of the other foreign teachers I work with are from New Zealand or South Africa or Ireland... or I am talking to Chinese or Korean people who learned English as a second language.
tepid wren
I feel like even if you are being truthful about owning a big factory, that doesn't translate directly to other industries
north torrent
Only time I talk to US people anymore is when I talk to my family. But most of the content I watch and games I play are all US voice actors.
bleak flicker
@proven thorn you do care, or you wouldn't have bitten at my bait.
look. I was running teams that small once. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is still room to grow. which means you can get there if that's what you want;
and that I'm a smart ass whos' smart assy enough to be able to see that you run a small ish team.
proven thorn
Meh
bleak flicker
i was being pretty toxic, but only because you literally asked fo rit.
tepid wren
industries operate differently and running a software company like a factory would end up terribly
bleak flicker
lol yup
north torrent
What does this have to do with US accents vs other English accents?
proven thorn
Meh
tepid wren
so why are you applying your shit directly then
"oh you dont talk the way i like so obviously you are lesser"
bleak flicker
well, interstingly, it can work
tepid wren
how do you know?
do you own a software company?
do you program?
have you ever managed a project before?
bleak flicker
@tepid wren no, not less.
north torrent
Would you play a game with all Singaporean voice actors, Mr. Olympus? Like with a real strong Singlish accent?
tepid wren
so you dont only own a factory but also a software company
bleak flicker
i dont own the factory im the operations manager.
i've had a wife and amistress, who is still not my wife? but is now my main?>
I was married for 13 y if that helps.
Fuck real life.
bleak flicker
my only tbh
zinc matrix
am too nerdy to have long term relationship
bleak flicker
turbulent story
zinc matrix
but i hope that will change when my mmo kicks off
bleak flicker
fair.
Honestly; most gamer boys are too stupid to 'own a girlfriend'
especially the FPs ones
Have you heard how those fuckwits treat females in game?
north torrent
You are 16, there is plenty of time for you to meet girls, Karol.
I have only played one online game in the last 4 years...
Only two in the last 10 years I think...
bleak flicker
space, seriously, i like your take on art in games:
are you more intersted in the aesthetic; the cinematics, the feel...
talk to me more
north torrent
So I am not really familiar with how the children act online these days. I do know Discord is kind of hell.
bleak flicker
@zinc matrix i talked a lot of shit to get where I am, but since I've been here, I've learned a lot.
I meant no disrespect to your position; setting up a team of any size is streets ahead of the average scrub.
zinc matrix
to get where you are
is that not mums basement?
ah yea you have a company
Nice then
bleak flicker
@zinc matrix nice.
no I run someone else's
north torrent
I actually write stories for a variety of different mediums, Mr. Knifd.
I always try to treat each medium in a way that best brings out what is unique to that medium. Takes advantages of the strengths of the medium while paying close attention to the weaknesses.
Writing radio dramas for example. You can think of how much it sucks to not have visuals, or you can focus on how much you can do with sound now that you have your audience focused on their ears.
So with games I am no different. It would be a sin to me if I were to try to emulate what movies do in order to make my game 'Cinematic', but I very much value Cinematography, I just have to look at it from a lens of an interactive game experience and use my judgment to choose what can cross over from cinema to games and what is best left alone.
bleak flicker
hurts to say that, but there it is.
tepid wren
this chat just annoys me
zinc matrix
like weapon stats
tepid wren
good bye
foggy path
it always makes me wonder why people read chats that annoy them
bleak flicker
@north torrent honestly, I can say that if that's a truth, then you're already a better art director than pretty much anyone i've met; worst case scenario I think you just need a few opportunities to practic your passion
foggy path
like.. just go away and stop reading? lol
north torrent
A lot of people don't like it when I talk art and cinematography, Mr. Zomg. But that's ok.
bleak flicker
@foggy path IKR its so addictive tho; welcome to the convo?
even tho im obv the newb here
foggy path
lol
bleak flicker
i think it's underatted tho space
@foggy path tell me you're laughiing because of how true it is
tell me i'm wrong
go on
i dare you
north torrent
I've never really found a Discord or other online group where people like to talk about these kind of high level concepts in art and design.
Art Discords hate me a lot more than game developers do though.
bleak flicker
what the fuck
namby pamby soft cunts who want to complain more than they actually appreciate the medium
north torrent
Art servers just want you to explain to them how to make their OC look better, nobody wants to have a deep conversation about shape language and color theory.
zinc matrix
thts cause they busy making big game
bleak flicker
lol fuck off
zinc matrix
EAEAEAE
bleak flicker
im actually EL OH EL at that one bruh
brb gotta empty some of this alcohol out so i can fit more in
north torrent
I drew thing, how do I make it look better
Well, you need to go back and look at the fundamentals of form and how light and shadow works...
No, how do I make this picture look better, I don't want to know about light and shadow
But that is how you make it look good...
That's too much to read
bleak flicker
ahahah
i feel ya.
you can't have light without shadow <---crossout
CONTRAST
i. feel ya.
its like doing a B+W and doing evertying with a B1 pencil
zinc matrix
i hate lights and shadows
bleak flicker
and fearing the B6 because of it's broad strokes and how hard it is to use en eraser on it
bleak flicker
well talk to spaceman then
zinc matrix
ANNOYING LMAO
north torrent
I don't have the patience to be on Art Discords, I am too old to sit around and be cyberbullied by a bunch of teenagers who want to draw Naruto fanfic characters because they don't like that I talk about art theory more than I post pictures I draw.
zinc matrix
no hes too childish
bleak flicker
honestly, artists are under appreciated and under paid
north torrent
I'm just going to write a book about my views on art theory.
bleak flicker
the trick is it's been said before, can you say it in a way that will convince people to buy your shit????
north torrent
I mostly use a B9 pencil actually...
bleak flicker
no one else can
zinc matrix
NO ONE
bleak flicker
oh fuck if you were a girl i'd be in love
north torrent
Super broad and messy, just block out big shapes before every bothering with the rest. If it doesn't look good in 10 minutes I scrap it.
zinc matrix
oof
bleak flicker
oh fuck
north torrent
I don't expect to sell my book. I just think it is a better use of my thoughts than an Art Discord server.
bleak flicker
LOL SO TRUUUU
proven thorn
@north torrent Probably is.
north torrent
Most of the things I have written in my life were to organize my own thought as opposed to actually be read by anyone.
zinc matrix
mao is hacking his own thoughts by writing them
north torrent
But I will save it and offer it to people who like my game.
bleak flicker
look. I love the BW medium; this was one of my first attempts; I realise how flat it is
i was fucking around with a b6 and a black bic
25 years ago that one.
holy fuck im old
north torrent
I am still not great at drawing.
Doing concept art in a traditional way also never worked for me.
But I have developed my own procedural way of doing things. It is very process driven and would generally drive a traditional concept artist crazy.
But I do what works for me and what allows me to get things done for the project as a whole.
proven thorn
Do you have any of your work online?
north torrent
What kind of work?
bleak flicker
intersting;
so how does that work for me or james as a dev?
north torrent
Music, writing, character designs, drawings, 3d environments, 3d models?
bleak flicker
how do we ask yo uto come in and 'help' us with our vsion?
proven thorn
Any of the above.
bleak flicker
oh im curious; are you diagnosed with add/adhd? i can hear it coming
proven thorn
I've been looking for a concept artist for a while.
north torrent
I have a Soundcloud with my music, it is mostly just me playing with ideas and not bothering to polish them or do second drafts.
I am diagnosed with nothing.
bleak flicker
look I'd honestly be happy if me engaging you both brought youtogether in a meaningul way
north torrent
I can PM you an example of how I concept characters, Mr. Tan.
It is not conventional by any means, but maybe it will help you in one way or another.
proven thorn
Sounds good.
bleak flicker
space, one quesiton;
when ou see a project; do you need to understand all it's moving parts before you can create an overarching vision or thematic tie in for it?
north torrent
I wrote a theme song for Mr. Olympus a long time ago if you want to hear it. I think he hates it though.
bleak flicker
lol
foggy path
It better be like a wrestling entry song
bleak flicker
which Mr Olympus
proven thorn
I'm mostly looking for a concept artist at the moment.
north torrent
Australian guy that was on here a while ago.
bleak flicker
the for real guys, the over 40 guy, or do you mean some random discord guy?
pearl elk
Im not over 40...
bleak flicker
the real guy is arnold teerminator dude
over 40 guy orm auz is bernie cooper, a mate of mine,
and
oh you mean him, random discord guy
@pearl elk u an digeridoodoo are you roo roo?
i'm a sheepshaggah tbh
foggy path
You're starting to sound more and more like John, maybe you need to take it easy on the alcohol 
bleak flicker
nah i ran out.
sadly im starting to sober up
pearl elk
Crikey!
bleak flicker
fuck off pom
---->that's a joke for all you US plebs
where are you from dude;
the winning, or the losing side of the underarm bowling incident?
pearl elk
Struth mate!
bleak flicker
lol fucking auzzie
pearl elk
Women invented the overarm bowl ๐
bleak flicker
AHAHQAHAHA
bleak flicker
@north torrent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a6EOyaMdqY
north torrent
I'm no real musician...
bleak flicker
ok, but why the cat tho>?
that's just insulting, even to an aussie
north torrent
I put Trashcan Mฤo in a lot of songs.
bleak flicker
yeah doesnt' make it good if you're trying to impress.
pearl elk
Its the theme song to Burkes Backyard
bleak flicker
@zinc matrix but it's a classic
Kevin bluddy wilson is an aussie legend, man.
oh and johnny boy used to be the SOUND OF AUSTRAILA MEMES
so yeah
burkes backyard, that even made it to NZ man
pearl elk
pearl elk
this is a classic
bleak flicker
oh fuck.
i bet no one else gets that
where can marcell pee al
i bet shees seen a cock or two
jeez he's clever.
proven thorn
bleak flicker
@pearl elk honestly that might be the best/worst set of puns the world will never understand
@proven thorn first real aussie reference that happens is at 8:00 - grab us a stubby mate
like it svery aussie, but that's the first 'real' aussie thing that happens, i think
....other than getting bitten on the dick by an earthworm, ofc
aight guys i gotta get some work done, thanks for the distraction!
pearl elk
Cats are carnivores, dogs are omnivores
north torrent
But I have to cut it up for her, she is too small to eat the whole thing.
pearl elk
dogs still hate green veggies tho ๐
north torrent
I bet a dog could survive on saltine crackers, cucumbers, and banana milk.
pearl elk
they tend to prefer carb heavy foods cuz they are so active
thats why theres no pineapple on the pizza ๐
north torrent
Durian pizza?
north torrent
I'm trying to test how big I can make the nose on a female videogame character before people hate it.
pearl elk
as a rule of thumb as long as its smaller than her cleavage it'll be fine ๐
pearl elk
Why would anyone desecrate a pepperoni pizza in such a way
snow peas maybe, green peas I dont even like em in my pasties
north torrent
pearl elk
How is it when Epic introduce updated tools and features things somehow become more convoluted and longer to do
north torrent
Science.
jolly cairn
can anyone please help me with the problem I posted in #animation ?
I am new to Unreal and need some guidance, if anyone has time
zinc matrix
whats an RV
konkki mb try to make friend with him then report back here
why you care wht ur neighbour does and when comes back?tf
invite him for cofefefe
:3
it will be GREATETETE
zinc matrix
guyysss
they call me out
for spamming
rude
af
they no understand u have to spam
if u wanna get players
foggy path
if you're getting called out for spamming then you probably aren't gonna get any players from that either
jolly cairn
damn, this server really ignores new members
foggy path
it doesn't.. you just didn't really pose any questions assuming you're referring to what you said above
jolly cairn
I posted 2 questions on #animation and was completely ignored.
not really ranting or complaining, sorry if it comes like that
foggy path
well it usually just means that nobody was able to answer the question
pearl elk
@jolly cairn dont retarget, try reassigning the skeleton of the animation to the one the skeletal mesh is using
RMB in content browser, assign skeleton is there
Also yes the server can feel abit that way because many people only join to get answers and rarely try to help and give answers. You'll see people who answer questions tend to get preference cuz they stick around and get to know people
Really hope UE5 fixes the thousand Mannequins issue
north torrent
2,000?
pearl elk
Im totally cool with a default humanoid skeleton being included in the engine
foggy path
I haven't done anything with character models and stuff but it sounds pretty weird how many people have issues with that :P
north torrent
It was much harder back in Unreal 3 though...
Well, Epic is big supporters of Blender. The biggest if I am not mistaken. So should be soon enough.
pearl elk
The thing of it is, even if a marketplace pack is rigged to Epics Skeleton it'll include its own copy of that skeleton which ends up leading people to think they have to retarget
north torrent
Have you ever listened to Viking music, Mr. Ponkkis?
foggy path
I sure hope they have a function to fix the stupid origin problem if you have multiple meshes in a scene
that was my biggest annoyance in importing stuff from blender
:P
pearl elk
I only listen to techno viking music
north torrent
So have you ever listened to music, Mr. Ponkkis?
foggy path
pearl elk
Maybe if he had a TikTok account
tired of being a viking he quit and became an indie dev
His next game is a DDR clone ๐
foggy path
wonder how long until someone does a VR DDR game that combines beat saber with ddr feet patterns
that would get really quite difficult to play with keeping track of all that stuff I suspect
foggy path
I'm actually a bit surprised there doesn't seem to be a parapara dancing VR game yet... I guess the parapara fad kinda died out after the mid 2000's
pearl elk
Now ships with Chuck Norris mode for over 40s ๐
true warriors will appreciate hehe
north torrent
Music that Vikings play.
north torrent
Never listened to Wardruna?
You should become a Viking and listen to Wardruna then.
Then throw an axe at someone.
Preferably not me.
Or have Mr. Olympus do it for you.
foggy path
viking music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGOQ7SsJrw
bleak flicker
@pearl elk holy shit that dude is insanely talanted
I havent seen his shit in years
doesnt even look like hte same dude
bleak flicker
what no pirate metal?
pearl elk
pretty close to pirate metal ๐
bleak flicker
im still enjoying the TV UKF
well, AMC but its all the same
@pearl elk I can't do my UE4 course and listen to this at the same time; you're evil because the music will always win
pearl elk
you need to download a multithreading app for your brain
bleak flicker
luckily my brain kinda came with that by default; unfortunately (kinda) my brain is able to expand (well composed) music over several threads to enjoy it in a way that most people enjoy the 'expanded mind' effect that they get on LSD.
as you might be able to imagine, i find good music hard to find.
these guys tho; one of them went to music and composition school, and it shows
their sound is so well balanced;
then again, that AMC set the dude is a fucking genius to be able to do that so consistently on the fly
pearl elk
Im gonna be releasin my games exclusively on Atari VCS
zinc matrix
bleak flicker
jeez that's a real thing; atari is doing a nother console?
oh it was delayed due to covid; how unfortunate for them, it might have been amazing if they'd got it out before the quarantine.
tulip nova
yawns
pearl elk
Deadspace at the start of audio files makes Mons a very sad panda
Theres no way to trim audio files in UE4 like Anims is there?
I mean ideally I could just play some sort of cropped portion without modifying the file at all
yeah but the amount of dead space is different for each file cuz, you know, consistency isnt an Audiophile thing or sommit
its crazy there isnt some sort of node for it, maybe Im just not lookin in the right place
pearl elk
Didnt we already have this convo
uncut otter
You find out the universe fucked up he rpc commands and your not seeing the world the same anymore
Lights that are on are off to you
๐
pearl elk
oh this is one of those, what does the world look like before the light hits your eyes kinda things
uncut otter
What if we're all scripted with poor beginplay scripts
pearl elk
Inphidel.TickEnabled(false);
uncut otter
:0
pearl elk
nope didnt work ๐
uncut otter
I'm clearly never multithreading
pearl elk
So clearly the world is just lacked enough RTX cores to render the lighting for all of us so it uses a delay and pooling
I know the solution to Schrodinger's Cat, its pretty simple, its not alive or dead... its null cuz its been garbage collected ๐
Cat is only spawned when you trigger the spawn by opening the lootcrate
soft night
MonsoThreading
pearl elk
MonsoWeaving > MonsoThreading
pearl elk
nah 2 states is not enough, we need 5
soft night
you want bio states too?
pearl elk
nah the US can keep those
soft night
Mons the biotech with all RNA DNA coding things
pearl elk
What about DMCA, thats very important ๐
soft night
Mons are you excited of Ubisoft Forward?
pearl elk
I thought they Deferred it ๐
It'll be better than EA Live crap thats forsure
but I am sad cuz Devolver didnt get to do their E3 show
Im bored of Farcry so maybe 6 will be something fresh, Hyper Scape not too interested in... Prince of Persia would be nice
They could get Michael Fassbender to play the new prince
Troy Baker can play the princess ๐
pearl elk
Oh yeah monkey business, forgot about that one ๐
That ones better than Assassings Creed Valjyrie
jeebus no wonder Im runnin out of space on C, yet another App isnt respecting my download folders directory choice gg
play Fortnite
tulip orbit
๐ฅบ
zinc matrix
Konki
zinc matrix
Impressing
Mehh
My marketing strategy faillsss
he spams here
right, I forgot that Karol is not a spammer
pearl elk
I dont do anything other than spam here ๐
tulip orbit
pearl elk
Where you get pics of me fam
tulip orbit
onlyfans
honest sapphire
GTA when playing offline: Nothing can stop me!
GTA when playing online: I am going to hide in the farthest reach's of the earth for my own safety!
zinc matrix
that's how babes are born ๐
honest sapphire
Who else expected GTA 6 at the sony reveal
It was when they were showing off the ps5 and a bunch of games
they basically said they had a gta announcement
and all they gave was a port to the ps5
that would actually be dope
like if anything I'm really hyped for unreal engine 5
really wish someone would reply to my post in design
cause making spider bots took quite a bit modeling
and animating
that it has
I feel so bad for people with arachnophobia
zinc matrix
Konko
zinc matrix
I must advertise
honest sapphire
I love how the models turned out
zinc matrix
No konki i have no many plans
rancid nexus
Question: In a game where passing time impacts the gameplay a lot, and the game is set in the real world, would the calendar being normalized to 30-day long months be annoying?
It's worth noting as well that the time the game is set in, the Gregorian calendar wasn't even in use, so it's already a departure from reality. Does this change your opinion?
pearl elk
I guess it depends on how fast the months pass
this latest windows update is a bad joke
nah my stuff is fine, task manager is broke though ๐
lol heaps of stuff looks like this atm, all the text rendering is screwed
urban garden
@zinc matrix alright ill be here too .O
sup my friend
Vincent sometimes make no sence ๐
ye
true
lol
pearl elk
blender is false advertising
urban garden
@zinc matrix Ill save you up for later, youre a nice guy to talk with
zinc matrix
lol I love blender
urban garden
blender is false advertising
@pearl elk
zinc matrix
sometimes I spend ages just fiddling with the cube lol
pearl elk
me too, blender helps me keep my cholesterol down with smoothies
urban garden
blender's ui is garbage and I'll die on this hill
@zinc matrix HWy
median wraith
Ponkkis is technically correct 3000$ > 0$
zinc matrix
it has some really dumb stuff for sure though like if you switch modes you can no longer undo stuff from the other mode
pearl elk
if I had a dollar for every time blender cost me time I could buy a copy of 3dsmax
zinc matrix
and trying to get animations into ue4 is bad
median wraith
@zinc matrix well is like blame Houdini UI, just nobody says is bad cause main purpose of the app is for tech artist that program too
urban garden
@zinc matrix How can you, BLender is great
median wraith
Just don't have big icons rated +3
pearl elk
Houdini UI is actually pretty good
median wraith
@pearl elk how dare you to destroy my facts
๐ค
I will tell you what's real bad this days
Gimp
Absurd load times
median wraith
Go move krita
urban garden
Blender and also Gimp has updated their UIs and they are actually very nice looking
urban garden
WEll for me Blender was always usable and efficient
cant judge it :d
windows 10 looks like windows 3 anyway so it's not like looking good is a thing anymore
@zinc matrix This has a reason
oof
pearl elk
so when does this ubithinggy start? Or did I miss it already
uncut otter
Hardcore
pearl elk
woohoo, Devolver Direct ftw
north torrent
I just got $50 worth of bratwurst delivered to my door.
zinc matrix
third beer within 24 hours
i don't think i can go out today if my sense of balance is gonna be too compromised. i've been up from midnight too for nearly 7 hours
north torrent
I usually drink 3 beers within 1 hour.
zinc matrix
i can only take about 4 with me at a time
without my parents knowing about it
i'm just feeling a little bit fucked up and envious
someday i'm gonna have to head off of this server since i don't really do anything UE related these days, at least for now
north torrent
Karol has never use Unreal in his life and he still hangs out here.
broken sigil
I'm here during compile times ๐
north torrent
I usually come here when I am sick and tired of doing Unreal. So I don't spend much time talking in the technical sections of this Discord.
north torrent
I finally moved my CRT television.
zinc matrix
HI HEVEKKK
fluid bloom
Awww yiss summer holiday
north torrent
I finally set things up so that I have a separate room for working and a separate room for slacking off.
zinc matrix
i have one sofa for everythong
north torrent
That generally is not a good thing when running your own business.
tulip orbit
I'd like to have a seperate machine for gamedev but I cant afford it : (
sage tendon
@zinc matrix you have a sofa for thongs?
north torrent
I am still going to use my game development PC for playing games and watching 4k movies.
But for when I am just watching tv shows and stuff I now have my room set up for that. Anything that doesn't require my ultrawide monitor.
Later I am going to look into trying to stream my office PC to the laptop I have in my slacker room.
sage tendon
Its a bit more than 2x2
For a smartphone and the huge distance, its not that bad
I think its neat to be able to see an object that is a visitor from outside our own solar system
north torrent
Have you tried using a controller with two joysticks, Karol?
north torrent
It seems like that would be the general idea of having a sword that operates independent of the character's rotation.
Have the left joystick move the character and have the right joystick rotate the sword.
zinc matrix
gut idea
north torrent
Or look at how twin stick shooters on PC do the rotation of the pew pew pew.
Are shoes going to be a DLC?
zinc matrix
yes
north torrent
Do you have a system to read the momentum of the sword?
So that if you swing it or jab it at a quicker speed it will do more damage to the object?
zinc matrix
yes
body rotation + body movement + hand speed
= more dmg
so you know
big cool E.A.E
north torrent
Well, once you figure out how to control the sword.
broken sigil
For a smartphone and the huge distance, its not that bad
@sage tendon
What phone did you take it with? It's impressive considering it's a night shot
sage tendon
samsung s10+ @broken sigil
zinc matrix
you like big objects remco i see
sage tendon
Not sure how to respond to that
zinc matrix
๐
tulip orbit
respond with violence ๐
real palm
violently enjoys big objects
real palm
What's that stand for btb?
tulip orbit
Jaime Fucking Lannister
zinc matrix
maybe he hacker
pearl elk
I think he might smoke abit too much of the ganja
fathom wadi
then he should share it.
pearl elk
open source wede
zinc matrix
wede is open source, but the license is not compatible with commercial stuff, so you can't sell it ๐
median wraith
steam datatables cannot be dynamic ?
fathom wadi
"I have given you all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use" - The Muthafunkin' Bible.
foggy path
That branchless coding thing is wack
It's really something the compiler should be able to do but I guess not
I thought it was gonna be one of those articles about polymorphism instead of branching which is also a valid method
pearl elk
Well his first example the compiler does do a better job
foggy path
although in case of polymorphism it's more about improving the design of the code, and it seems somewhat likely to actually be worse perf-wise :P
fathom wadi
the thing that confuses me (as much does) is the word Carflobbleshank
zinc matrix
what about konstantynopolitaลczykowianeczka?
ffs... video is almost 20 minutes long, i'm out Mons
pearl elk
20 mins isnt very long, most gaming news youtubers dribble on longer than that about much simpler topics ๐
jeebus this curve editor in UE4 is shite, how is it some of the curve editors are great and others are just terrible. You think Epic might have some sort of standard, dont even get me started on the amount of different collections which dont any conversion interface
so sick of piping data through assets, just gimme some globals
foggy path
they probably improve parts of the editor whenever it's needed by Fortnite programmers
pearl elk
Well its quite possible these things will improve with UE5, Im hopeful but I dont want to set my expectations too high
Fortnite programmers dont even have to use the editor do they
zinc matrix
so they don't use blueprints?
pearl elk
Not sure Id call those people programmers by Epic standards
Designers sure
Theyd be under so much pressure to perform they probably dont have time to do f-all except Fortnite
Programmers tend to only care about functionality, if you look at Ryan Brucks stuff its amazing but its so all over the place, you need this plugin, this bit and this bob and its not really a cohesive procedure. Even in the latest versions the volume textures really arnt great, they are atleast part of the engine finally. What Id like to see is more focus on the actual usability and trying to remove some of the convolution, theres so much digging through windows. Infact its even a larger problem now than it was in UE3 because of all the sub-editors and the lack of shared interfaces/types.
I get that Niagara might have needed its own collection but maybe make it so it can interface with Material collections better or just have some sort of shared globals projects can use instead of having to dig around in the content browser.
Its why video tutorials are so necessary because the UI isnt straight forward in alot of ways. You have to watch little button to click at the right moment or the whole system just falls apart
median wraith
http://epicleaderboard.com/ is this even safe ?
pearl elk
Every new sub-editor introduces a whole new set of types for itself and just adds more convolution, more bullshit in simple stuff like just converting types from one to another that could be avoided.
So all those gains from having a nice easy visual scripting language are counter acted by stuff like it not jumping in the RMB BP menu to the right item or giving you help on typos
Its seriously bullshit, more plugins, more complexity and no effort what so ever to improve productivity. While we have the systems to make more complex games they are so fragile its impossible for anyone but AAAs to actually make em because it forces indies to scope well below their actual capabilities
Seriously if UE5 doesnt address some of these issues I wont be moving over, Ive had enough of waiting around on Epic.
Whats the point of zillion poly models if you cant afford to make anything past a walking sim
foggy path
Yeah I've definitely noticed that
The editor is incredibly unstable at times on what should be basic operations
plus things like the undo system.. yeah no thx
:D
the undo system I wrote for the SaaS we make at my dayjob is better
pearl elk
Well I spent 30 minutes last night trying to solve a bug in C++ because apparently I cant just concat a FString to uint8 with a + operator
but Epic will introduce 100 more types by the years end without fixing the core ones
foggy path
I wouldn't have expected for + to work in C++ to concatenate anything tbh
but my knowledge in C++ is kinda oldschool when nothing was good
:D
pearl elk
Thing is it actually does concat but doing "Level" + uint8 caused it to become "evel"
I would have preferred it to just not work than waste my time
pearl elk
I know Epic do a great job, one I couldnt do myself but as a user of their software I just dont feel like they care at all. They seem to care more about supporting every service and platform on the planet than making the editor and tools genuinely better for users.
I mean guys, why is MagicLeap enabled by default, Ive seen their sales numbers and its pretty pathetic
Sell that stuff to enterprise sure but not let it get in the way of making games which is what got me into the engine in the first place
mossy nexus
I doubt people with cancer would agree with you.
zinc matrix
they probably dont have time
soft night
ubisoft forward preshhow is live
soft night
ubi hubi
pearl elk
What do you think you know John?
median wraith
the live is broken
soft night
John knows robo ducks
median wraith
and don't let the people login
oblique trellis
yeah same for me lol
soft night
the youtube and twitch work great
oblique trellis
no login
pearl elk
Probably for the best, it'll just be spam shit anyways
median wraith
they are posting on Twitter the spam
I actually posted too
no login == no content
soft night
people may have spam the keys there on uplay earlier
pearl elk
Fairy master, this is my type of game
soft night
https://www.twitch.tv/ubisoft they are typing here too
zinc matrix
GYSS
what re they typing
???
wtf so many people there
i swear
i never in my life watched a streamer
zinc matrix
i loked through ubisoft games
median wraith
they didn't even link that stream
soft night
over 300k on youtube and about same on twitch
pearl elk
The chat is useless anyway
soft night
even in slow mode it is fast
pearl elk
I guess you have to play Ubi games to care about those ๐
median wraith
yeah so goodbye the free game for me
soft night
sharing is caring
median wraith
nice week
pearl elk
Watch Dogs 2?
median wraith
yeah
pearl elk
no biggy, its got a few clever things but mostly yawn.
median wraith
I wanted to try couple of things inside : (
pearl elk
woah that chick was amazing on guitar
median wraith
yeah
pearl elk
The driving mechanics in WD2 were particularly poor
for some reason all their roads have enough width to drive safely right down the middle between traffic
soft night
We are Legion we are many
median wraith
wanted to try the drone thing
pearl elk
ahh yeah those are pretty fun, I didnt mind the hacking puzzles but with such a thick story the world feels abit cold and lifeless
Its like as soon as youre off the story path its all stiff, it doesnt really benefit from being open world
oblique trellis
see if they can fix the world wide outage to login to the live stream before the end of the live stream
pearl elk
In the mean time you can download and play Devolverland Expo ๐
pearl elk
thats better than 0fps
median wraith
the other week they gave drops for hunt showdown
my friend had the gold skin at first
soft night
better than -20FPS
median wraith
I had 20 random trash items and no skins in 1 day
that resumes the luck in my life too
pearl elk
speaking of Tom Clancy... we wont mention the guy just hype wagon his name
How much of Ubi is even left hehe
pearl elk
Man that was a great story until the BR bit
Ready UPlayer One
fully digital representation and theyre all boring humanoids
such artistic liberty
pearl elk
lol I honestly wanted to see how generic Hyper Scape was gonna be
Do they have anything that looks good which isnt modelled around the real world?
I woulda much preferred to play more mythological vikings tbh
I play games cuz the real world is boring as bat shit lol
soft night
MonsoViking in MonsoValhalla
pearl elk
Beowulf was actually a pretty good game
soft night
@median wraith you are good as you see that ubi support tweet
pearl elk
Hellblade too
God of War... plenty of viking like games around
Im not seeing the Assassins in this Assassins Creed
soft night
what you cant see?
pearl elk
All I see is a viking game with the Assassins Creed name to shift copies
soft night
i see many mechanics from other assassins creed games in this
pearl elk
I see For Honor right there, guess they had to reuse those
fathom wadi
just give me some AI animation tech out of it and I dont care what the game is like ๐
pearl elk
lol and they showed nothing I want to buy, oh well
FC6
yet another evil dictator story thats nothing like the original yay
median wraith
@soft night well thats something lets see
@pearl elk someone named FC6 the kid is the enemy from F3
I'm having serious issues with the audio lib tbh
pearl elk
Yeah I saw that news too, doesnt really matter since the gameplay will be the same tired shit they been pumping out since FC3
median wraith
and don't see myself using leaderboards as some of the providers don't give support anymore
Imagine releasing a game this days without your own system
Steam Leaderboards, Epic leaderboards, GameJolt too
try to make every single store API go
soft night
HevLeaderboards
pearl elk
Why not use EOS?
soft night
MonsoLeaderboards
median wraith
someone made it for UE4 and cost 300โฌ or so in the marketplace
I'm having issues with the lib I bought in the marketplace for audio
and it seems like isn't that good
pearl elk
the implementation for EOS, I dunno. I saw the documentation looked pretty good, I should try a leaderboard for this demo game Im workin on
soft night
gameplay of valhalla is cool all the jumping trees too
fathom wadi
trees that can jump? Now that's Ent-ertainment.
pearl elk
white trees cant jump
pearl elk
Woody Barrelson
fathom wadi
that will be his celeb name in the media if he ever gets fat. If I ever see that headline, I will think of you.
pearl elk
I'll send you a gif of me rolling down a hill like a panda if it happens
honest sapphire
Welp I feel inspired today! Gonna get in my 3d modeling groove
though most likely what I have in mind will require some physics work
Can't wait
Chain physics here I come!
honest sapphire
I have something like a claw arm in mind
lmao
Oh boy it's been so long since I've done unreal physics
last time I used it I was trying to make a spaceship
Basically a hoverbike
The game didn't agree with me
welp off I go
pearl pewter
My friend eric on the nuggies O.O
tulip orbit
zinc matrix
@median wraith whhu iz jhoni boi
I hear some drunk neighbour voice i think
R U sure it's the neighbour and not just the voice in your head?
tulip orbit
^
pearl elk
What if the voice in your head sounds like your neighbour?
maybe john is his own neighbour ๐ฎ
gah how is my small demo game still 2gb lol
tulip orbit
malware, viruses, every addon you can install
zinc matrix
Aren't all unity games heavy???
pearl elk
This is an UE4 game
tulip orbit
the ue4 logo is 1.5GB
pearl elk
I need to make like 6 more levels, 4 isnt enough ๐
tulip orbit
I havent worked on my game in almost a week ๐ฆ buuut, I've got supercomputers and turbomotors automated in Satisfactory ๐
pearl elk
jeez is that with the manufacturers?
tulip orbit
with many of them
pearl elk
You have more patience than I
the lifts made it abit easy to cheat tbh
I just pop em on the factory entrances to create easy over/unders
It was more challenging when you had to use the rack systems
pearl elk
yeah you just gotta roll with it at a point or you end up undoing and redoing everything every level up
tulip orbit
I rebuilt a few things in the process, but... man I just got laaazy
pearl elk
oh thats one of those impossibru factories
tulip orbit
?
pearl elk
floaty heaven
tulip orbit
oh, pfft, yeah I aint dealing with making it non floaty
pearl elk
wonder if they'll ever add physics so everything can collapse
pearl elk
Itd be too difficult
tulip orbit
I've played building games where things collapse, and yeah its a HUUGE pain in the ass
pearl elk
like having water supplies which run out
zinc matrix
@tulip orbit ue4 games look gut by default
tulip orbit
ok, time for a break from the computer. and have a nap. ๐
wild temple
@zinc matrix ping
wild temple
you have a dad?
wild temple
what's his email, gon send him $5
zinc matrix
I dont know
wild temple
ok
zinc matrix
I think: gamermaker@thebest.con
wild temple
not gettin' conned mate
zinc matrix
Sorry i cant send personal info
wild temple
k lol
zinc matrix
You can hack otherwise
If you hack you can fly
Fly hacks are dangerous
I want to give you a fake name of me.
Maybe that helps
Call me Robloxmaster
wild temple
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hak'd
honest sapphire
Spider bot gun complete
all that's left is to model some mechanical legs
;,,,,,,; and then comes the part I hate
rigging it
wild temple
welcome to hell QGoo.
honest sapphire
That's funny
Cause the mug I'm drinking
Literally says:
"Another Satanic day"
wild temple
I want a mug that just reads "F*CK" in bold impact font.
honest sapphire
Then again
my model is so mechanical
I could probrably get away with parents and constraints
no weight painting at all
wild temple
I'm fairly new to Unreal, so I assume that everything you are saying (given context from prior messages) is actually true. such as rigging a mechanic as hard, or using parents and constraints as easy.
honest sapphire
Naw it depends on the model
plus I'm doing it all in maya
Modeling, Rigging, and animation
wild temple
I don't know maya either.
honest sapphire
It's a 3d modeling program by autodesk
wild temple
k
honest sapphire
very expensive
honest sapphire
I use blender every now and then
wild temple
(yet another tool I don't know how to use, except I've heard of it this time)
honest sapphire
Like I can't wait for 4.26.1
Apparently it adds a complete planetary atmosphere system
for quick modeling of entire planets like for space games
reminds me of the game mechanics used in "No mans sky"
It is
but when the next update comes out
It will have tons more features
right now it's currently good for earth sims
wild temple
meanwhile, I can't make a button work for the life of me.
pearl elk
What if you were on a planet with 48 day days and 6 months of night
What if they didnt mostly come out at night... mostly
What if daylight was blue
wild temple
the full cycle would be 746496000 seconds
pearl elk
and water was purple
pearl elk
and cats had stingray tails
wild temple
which is 23.6712328767 years
pearl elk
lol real life days... you mean Earth days
wild temple
what is earth?
pearl elk
cuz some people on Earth do actually have longer than 24hr days sometimes ๐
it depends on where you are on the planet
wild temple
the earth thing is a joke to the people who think I'm actually not sure on what earth is.
I've came across people dumber than that so it's safer to clarify than explain later.
pearl elk
Earth days are 23 hours and 56 minutes
wild temple
well that throws off my calculations.
pearl elk
I bet you rounded ๐
wild temple
I did
pearl elk
thats where that extra day comes from ๐
wild temple
29th feb
pearl elk
whats the really tricky part is getting the orbits correct, the moon and sun follow completely different paths