Thats some high altitude mountains
#lounge
pearl elk
foggy path
Wait the Gronions guy even had his friend come in here to spam the game? Come on that's just lame :p
It's a decent looking thing but dude's gotta learn how to market it
pearl elk
Oh youre right those are ads, I blocked them with my mind ๐
foggy path
lol
zinc matrix
guys
proper elk
Hey, is there a place here specifically for asking? I think I've stumbled into a stupid problem and cant solve it
foggy path
Just find the channel which seems most relevant to your question and ask there :)
pearl elk
Hi Id like to buy a new lounge suite does anyone have any suggestions? ๐
tepid wren
holy hell I just saw a full ass possum
2 feet long, just strolling along the road as i drove back to my house
it looked so weird until the lights were shown on it
fluid bloom
I watched six underground yesterday, it was like it was written by a 16 yo who plays CoD all day
it was so cringy
pearl elk
Its an action movie, what did you expect
fluid bloom
I like action movies
that movie was just stupid
the 18 minute intro sequence was tiresome as hell
pearl elk
I actually didnt mind all that, I thought the parkour thing was abit weak
I just like when they actually use a real street for a car chase these days tho ๐
the camera rigs for all those shots are insane
fluid bloom
and the plot was like what americans stereotypically think when they invade a country
foggy path
you overthink it
I watched that a while back and I thought it was okay
but it's definitely one of those movies where you can't think about it too much lol
I watched this film last night
it was some real good shit lol
zinc matrix
@foggy path are you cucumber maxxxing
foggy path
I have no idea what that is
zinc matrix
you dont want to know
foggy path
yeah it sounded like it 
zinc matrix
rr cucumbarrr
pearl elk
Yes well, the game is pretty hard hitting. No spoilers
pearl elk
See people invested alot in the characters from the first game so to have her character come in and assume a major role was bound to upset some.
zinc matrix
oh
pearl elk
I cant really say too much without giving away major plot points
zinc matrix
but the player doesnt look like her
pearl elk
Its got nothing to do with what she looks like, people are just looking for a target from their frustrations to do with the direction Naughty Dog took. TBH the director/writer should be copping it instead
You can tell by her voice she looks nothing like the character, its abit disjointed. Her character is quite buff and paramilitary so to have a soft feminine voice doesnt match, though its not entirely unrealistic, Ive heard some big buff body builder women talk with mouse voices
To call Last of Us 2 a shoot-em-up is extremely misleading too, its inline with the first game.
pearl elk
Nah its not that, Ellie is quite small and her voice fits. You'd expect Abby to talk more regimented and from her chest not from the bottom of her stomach
The problem is mainly the way the character is written though not so much with the voice actor speaking the lines they were given
pearl elk
I think Naughty Dog forgot that people loved the shit out of Ellie after spending an entire game with her
Abby kinda came out of no where and youre expected to sympathize with the character, its very forced which is the issue. Naughty Dog really need to work on advancing their story telling technique to add some player agency
Its odd to me they never explore the reason why the outbreak happened, its feeling alittle The Walking Dead where its all about character drama but those types of stories get alittle Lost hehe
Joel and Tommy like never talk about the events at the start of the first game even though its like a defining moment for the entire game let alone the sequel
hardy yacht
in most zombie movies, it just happens, few of them show before the outbreak
i guess it's all about the current action
pearl elk
Well the thing is these games explore areas where the outbreak kinda started taking off. You think they would try to find out the cause to work towards stopping it or some sort of cure
So its not like its off the beaten track too far to kinda give some insights even if its only pull story
hardy yacht
i found the story interesting. a little bit too much of gay agenda
but otherwise very cool
i didn't like abby at first, but then i did
pearl elk
my first thought was wtf am I controlling this character, thats right at the start so not much spoiler
hardy yacht
yeah
but the story comes together as you play it. i don't know. in my opinion it was a success.
pearl elk
Yeah they did well but I dont like my hand being forced so heavily as a player, I like to atleast have some control. Story is decent but lots of fades to blacks, it doesnt flow very well even though it has some great twists and turns.
hardy yacht
they should let it be. they shouldn't make another last of us
pearl elk
Theres a HBO series announced
hardy yacht
i heard
pearl elk
I do feel like they could rest on the second game, its not like they couldnt explore those mechanics in other games. I think the issue is they kinda finished Uncharted and if Last of Us goes they need to come up with another big IP
hardy yacht
yeah, Uncharted was awesome as well
pearl elk
You can see the crossovers in the mechanics, theres alot of sharing so if they can somehow make another IP which gives them some more creative freedom to do better without being so heavily linear.
I thought The Witcher series is pretty great so far
But thats based on books which the games are based on too, not really the same thing as based on a game
lol I made the mistake of trying the first two Assassins Creeds after playing Black Flag, feels like a massive step backwards
I have Wild Hunt but I just cant seem to get around to playing it, Last of Us 2 comes out though I play it release day lol, I suck ๐
north torrent
I finally got the power cable for my ultrawide, so I am no longer in 1080p hell.
tulip orbit
a new hell?
north torrent
The hell of seeing Mr. Interitus in HD?
tulip orbit
๐ waves
sage tendon
lol, when you hit a enemy, instead of it taking damage, the hit gives him more hp
pearl elk
healing sword... I think I have one of those
sage tendon
let me heal you by hitting you with my sword!
pearl elk
oops healed you so much you created another human
pearl elk
Why do you think they call it a fallacy?
real palm
underrated pun
zinc matrix
thats not true remco
north torrent
I am glad you finished your prototype, Karol.
zinc matrix
did small update
fluid bloom
I tried playing halo 2 singleplayer
it is full of game dev sins
sometimes you have no idea where to go, sometimes you have no idea if you need to just kill enemies in order to trigger something, it's full of insta death parts and such
continuously respawning enemies
ugh
fluid bloom
it's like halo 1, game got shitty once the flood appears
north torrent
I think Halo was always made to be played multiplayer.
pearl elk
Not sure about that, the first trailer I ever saw was more like a cinematic SP game
Even the theme song was to make it sound more epic
and then MS purchased Bungie and I never played the actual game ๐
zinc matrix
why did mark hamil have to grow a beard ๐ฆ
zinc matrix
who
pearl elk
Jabbas wife
zinc matrix
carrie fisher?
sleek furnace
100% certain, its Ponkkis
north torrent
Halo was a cinematic co-op game. But the main campaign was never really balanced for one person to play it, but two people to play it together... At least as far as I can remember from Halo 1, 2, and 3.
pearl elk
Halo was balanced for backtracking
zinc matrix
what the hell does middle setting do /
in case of all these
does it disallow or allow
foggy path
it means it uses the default from the parent role
pearl elk
So dont click that one if you hate your parents
fathom wadi
I was one of the first people in the country to play Halo at the i-series that they promoted it's release in the UK at.
I thought it was shit.
This is the most under-discussed revolutionary moment in game dev and it seems to go under the radar. I mean, over 6 months uncracked, not looking like it's going to be. Perhaps Denuvo have cracked it (pun intended)
pearl elk
Did they even have crack in the wild west?
foggy path
I'm sure they'll eventually get it broken
alpine fern
it's not an unreadable blueprint?
pearl elk
How do you feel about removing a ball?
only the one, you get to keep the other
I should use less gendered terms ๐
real palm
If it were to be a painless function of my biology such that I could do so easily and at will.... I'd imagine there'd be a point, so probably
uncut otter
This should be interesting experience. I'm trying fiver out.. you'd think English is not my first language if you see me try to write a press release. ๐
sleek furnace
https://tenor.com/view/anonymous-pepe-rare-pepe-the-matrix-pepe-matrix-gif-15409694
@zinc matrix I knew he had to show his true face.... i though it was another fake acount...
young tide
This should be interesting experience. I'm trying fiver out.. you'd think English is not my first language if you see me try to write a press release. ๐
@uncut otter keep us updated ๐
uncut otter
๐
zinc matrix
I UPDATEDDD
holy updates
but need to market game..
:C
Tis is hard..
ponkkis
come fight each other in my game
btw redpull is expensive af
yes
fixed them
tulip orbit
MMm..... redbull....
soft night
that redbull give you coffee wings
zinc matrix
need to learn
c# events
Fugg i guess
wwhy do they give me 1500 word doc instead
of like 50word
holy romanian god of salmonella
it means its latest version is in onedrive
desktop is on onedrive by default
yes
but these look like shortcuts anyway
yes you do
tulip orbit
yes
sleek furnace
does bill gates steal my shit?
@zinc matrix No, its still in your head
analog bone
Is it bad to use megascans xd
Like is your game then labeled as an asset flip
Got it ๐
real palm
suddenly windows wanted to put those checkmarks to all my desktop icons ๐ค
@zinc matrix Oh. Oh no. Ms. No.
we good; no OneDrive icons ๐
spare glade
Is it onedrive or Subversion?
real palm
Yeah well, I've never had an internet browser attempt to hijack my entire desktop experience.
spare glade
Did you accidentally Source Control your desktop? lol
real palm
First time for everything when you run MS
But at least, finally, I know Edge exists
in all of its useless chromium compromise
Was it actually OD though?
OneDrive
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
shame, would have loved to tuck that into my anti-MS hat
north torrent
I wish there were more sandwiches in the day...
real palm
Make & eat smaller sandwiches then
analog bone
Why does someone need a pegi rating?
I get it if you are trying to get on console
But do you get anything else from it
Or is it needed on games some countries?
Or just for clout to put before your trailer, that pegi 18 thing
zinc matrix
I ve had too many successes today in coding, they excited me and i cant sleep. Jfl
real palm
Why does someone need a pegi rating?
@analog bone Retail release for sure, regardless of platform. Pegi is for the EU(I think), you'd want ESRB in the US.
Possibly some online stores would display it, and in that case it makes your game more accessible to the demographic that uses the ratings to inform purchases
pearl elk
Heh thats interesting Arab Emirates has a 21 rating
Shame theres no 30+ for all us old codgers ๐
I always found it odd that everything is unlocked so early in life, its like wheres the progression after 40 damnnit, colostomy bags and walkers just arnt cutting it
30+ could be like, may contain dad jokes
median wraith
Does someone knows a modern game with limited resolution this days?
dim ruin
Woah, haven't caught you online in a long time @median wraith . How you been?
median wraith
Fine more or less alive ๐คช , how about you ?
dim ruin
median wraith
XD
dim ruin
We're still staying bunkered down. People here are really dumb and careless lol
safe and healthy though ๐
median wraith
Welcome to the club then
dim ruin
Well I'm glad to see you're doing alright. Was worried when I didn't see you on in a while lol
median wraith
Oh how kind of you, nice to see someone somehow reminds me :p
Yeah just busy doing things and talking more with close friends than on public this days...
Yeah is always nice to come back haha, lets see if soon get things done and can post over here more often
ty for ask by the way thats welcome
dim ruin
๐ No worries
pearl elk
Happy Birthday @median wraith
pearl elk
I knew it, I can feel it in me bones
tulip orbit
thats just the cancer
tulip orbit
not if I have any say in it! ๐
pearl elk
Youre in the wrong business if you want to make money
tulip orbit
๐
sage tendon
My grandmother would be palliative sedated, but the docter was like "she's too far gone, better to wait for euthenasie tomorrow". The next day the docter said "she's sleeping and cannot give a clear response to agree"..
The woman is suffering and when being knocked out of the pain its being used as excuse not to do anything at all
tulip orbit
๐ฆ
sage tendon
While the whole thing was started to end the fucking suffering
Now its getting near torture
My hearth is unable to proces it
Why would someone do this? She has no chance on recovering, she wont ever be Ble to lift her arms or anytjing else. Not even enough strength to speak but broken whisper
Everything losses its meaning when a terminal asks "why may i not die?"
pearl elk
I never understood that mentality personally, we are fine with putting animals down but human life we'll prolong the pain for what... Cuz its "humane"?
My grandma was lucky that my auntie is a nurse and she was at home
analog bone
:)))) This will take a while
zinc matrix
I want to blame organized religion in part
pearl elk
Thats because you cant make glue from humans ๐
Horses cant walk with the broken leg
maybe a horse wheelchair
made from old racing buggys
That looks perfect for the next Last of Us game
sage tendon
Is it lesbian?
sage tendon
Sword Art Online becoming real?
zinc matrix
so theyre gonna take VR world
before any good games are made
but i no liek VR... monitor in helmet..
total cope ffs...
SAO will never be real...
Cope..
eae remco
you were hit
hits no work.. in my game
xd
rugged storm
tulip orbit
what a great year eh?
tulip orbit
well hey, if we survive, we've got UE5 to look forward to
gilded lichen
Earth is trying to control human overpopulation
fluid bloom
but but.... I need to see the james webb space telescope operational
rugged storm
coronavirus, ebola 2, swine flu, and now black death 2
fast jacinth
Is this a random convo channel?
fast jacinth
So we're a couple of devs doing a little jam on Spotify if anyone wants to join:
get creative juices flowing
mossy nexus
fast jacinth
thanks mate
fast jacinth
BRO
mossy nexus
naa he just farted
tulip orbit
so did I
median wraith
nice name yeah
zinc matrix
ponkkis keep copeing
I will soon fix veerrrry huge asf buggg
and it will make my game best in the worlddd
fathom wadi
I hold nostalgia for Shadow warrior back in the day, but never had an interest to continue playing it.
pearl elk
Shadow Warrior 2 actually had alot of the same mechanics Doom Eternal did but before they did it ๐
tulip orbit
12yr old me loved shadow warrior 1
pearl elk
12yr old me would hate Animal Crossing ๐
tulip orbit
fathom wadi
not true. I only read the words and my peripheral vision is weak.
tulip orbit
not just your vision that is weak. ๐
my ability to focus is also weak
ima try laying down... feel crappy...
pearl elk
I feel abit puppy too
wow crazy, cant believe I never knew a gamepad can move the perspective view in UE4 around. Such noob!
foggy path
There's been a couple people having problems with that in #ue4-general in the past few weeks
where their controllers were just constantly sending rotation inputs to the editor :D
pearl elk
I usually dont have one plugged into my PC thats why I never noticed before
foggy path
yeah somehow none of my controllers have caused issues with UE
they tend to cause problems with games which aren't good enough to allow you to turn them off :P
pearl elk
Mouse input is the one Im having troubles with atm strangely, trying to use it to control a paddle
fathom wadi
@foggy path that happened a lot in the first release. I remember when I first used UE4 it did it and I had to unplug my joypad and re-insert it so it recognised it. Must have been a bug with the initialisation or something I dunno. But the drift in engine was real.
rugged storm
foggy path
^
sadly it can be extremely hard to debug it
there's like one page in MSFT docs somewhere which tells you how to get the specific driver DLL and good luck finding that page...
oh yeah and you need something like WinDBG to do that which is past the skill level of the average user :P
carmine frigate
they just put it in there as a meme
it was supposed to play eye of the tiger but that never made it in
foggy path
This is pretty wild
Using the red cross symbol for health violates the geneva convention
tulip orbit
yup
pearl elk
using it for anything other than the Red Cross is bad mmkay
zinc matrix
jfl
median wraith
Yeah old news
zinc matrix
yea but if u have no players then no one will sue u anyway!
pearl elk
you can however use the English flag
zinc matrix
big brain.gif
raw rose
Very old news
pearl elk
raw rose
That was an issue in Doom
pearl elk
same same but different
pearl elk
Im gonna use the German Air Force Cross ๐
Probably a bad idea to use a big red circle on a white background too
fathom wadi
this is the flag of my country.
fathom wadi
didn't they used to make air fresheners out of those?
zinc matrix
I STARTED MARKETING
sage tendon
grats
tulip orbit
marketing what?
zinc matrix
my mmo
tulip orbit
whats an mmo?
sage tendon
its a fluffy egg with hair
tulip orbit
that doesnt sound appetizing
sage tendon
its about whats inside, i think you're supposed to eat the exterior
who is that and why (not)?
zinc matrix
eae remco?
sage tendon
what?
mild root
https://kotaku.com/video-games-arent-allowed-to-use-the-red-cross-symbol-1791265328
@foggy path yes, makes no sense at all.
safe flare
dim ruin
@dense storm you giving that guy the full "intro to programming 101" lol
dense storm
:/
dim ruin
Oh damn. I keep forgetting to check out epic online services.
rich quiver
League Of Legends is on Modify Unity
but League Of Legends Wild Rift is in Unreal Engine 4
๐
fathom wadi
I made the mistake of updating an old project to a new engine version. Aside from some VR code that broke (it nearly always does on a runtime update), I forgot I had put a whole dumpload of free assets in there. Soul City, Infiltraitor etc. Heavy stuff. That was nice a nice shader compile ยฌ_ยฌ
the good news is, I opened ran the project and remembered how awesome the thing I made was.
fathom wadi
Most of mine survive the transitions, but VR always trips up a project
I don't recall the last time I worked on this particular project, maybe a year or so. But it seems to have lost some limbs.
broken sigil
sweet Jesus what am I looking at lol
broken sigil
๐
dense storm
holy crap that code
celest latch
anybody know what the steps are to make use of basic c++ knowledge for coding in unreal? could someone clarify what kind of steps I'll need to take to get from basic c++ knowledge to making games in c++? what should I study to get from that level to this level?
stiff crystal
- learn c++ in general (101 stuff)
- read Unreals intro docs to c++ programming
- pay wholetomato for VAX
- try to forget UE4 c++ API docs exist - they don't do you any good
- dive into engine source code to figure out how to use about every second thing in the engine
@celest latch ^
for real though, there are some 3rd party intro tutorials for unreal c++ you may want to check too, but what I listed is the steps people normally take
celest latch
Thanks. Sounds like a nice plan. I'll be getting into it over the next few months.
stiff crystal
you don't absolutely have to get VAX but it makes browsing engine code faster
celest latch
I have some courses bought for c++ that I'll be going over but currently I don't feel comfortable with the fundamentals yet.
stiff crystal
VS2019 is still decent on this now, it's way better than what it used to be say, in VS2015
celest latch
with my knowledge, I look at the c++ i write now and think to myself 'how in god's earth can I implement this weak code into unreal?' The level gap is just too big for me. Thanks for the concise steps.
stiff crystal
main thing that really sucks while learning UE4's c++ side are the api docs, they make everything many times more harder than it should be because there's no value to them
celest latch
I'll look into these points some more.
Yeh, I overviewed the api. Half of them have notes written about them.
stiff crystal
ue4 wiki used to have some great pointers for many c++ things too so you may want to look up some wiki archive for that
stiff crystal
most of the c++ api docs is just like single sentence that explains what's already obvious by the function name itself
that is, unless they've recently improved upon it
celest latch
Seems like there should be a community contribution thing on unreal's site where you can just show examples of that api word being used in an actual implementation for learning purposes.
Or how it's similar to a blueprint node.
etc
celest latch
Aww
stiff crystal
it was mostly filled with Rama's funky code snippets though ๐
those really split the community opinion
but while they weren't using best coding conventions, they usually did show you entry points and ways to implement common things you need to know with UE4
I know I learned a ton from them myself
celest latch
I see. And nobody archived this? Or is the c++ implementations from that time period not compatible with the current build?
Thus why they decided to junk it?
stiff crystal
there are few archives for it around, or just use waybackmachine
celest latch
okay.
stiff crystal
most of the old stuff translates still pretty well
celest latch
that's good to hear!
stiff crystal
also once you grasp the basics, you can always just ask around in #cpp if you are wondering about some specific thing
people here will not teach you 101 on c++, that's assumed you do on your own/elsewhere but anything related to ue4 api and it's c++ interaction is fine here
celest latch
I'll be fine for now. I'm trying to get really comfortable with c++ fundamentals. I especially want to get better on how to convert that knowledge to unreal.
So I'm just trying to figure out what I got to prepare for and study in the meanwhile until I reach that level of comfort.
stiff crystal
if you know other programming languages, main things you'd need to understand on c++ are pointers (including smart pointers) and refs, how headers are used, forward declaration, how c++ macros work
those are like the very basic things you need to handle and get you going already
to be able to use UE4 c++, you have to understand how UE4's c++ macros need to be used in the framework, it can be the single most frustrating part at first
I dunno if it's improved but in past errors you got on wrong or missing macro usage just resulted in some generic looking same error code
celest latch
Looks like I've got a bit to learn. I'm not so familiar with these concepts. I'm thankful that you introduced this to me. It really helps me understand the leveling process I've got to go through to get there much more clearly.
stiff crystal
you could also always take some more featured tutorial series if you feel you can learn it easier that way, but I can't personally recommend any as I never took this route (I had c++ programming background prior to coming to ue4 and I started using ue4 so early there weren't really much c++ side tutorials anywhere expect those wiki notes)
gilded lichen
Someone here have knowledge about Discord? How to disable auto log out feature if I change ip address? Re-login each morning pisses me off.
sage tendon
Are you using the app or browser?
gilded lichen
browser
zinc matrix
today will do more marketing
pearl elk
there is a new wiki btw and anyone can contribute
I think the reason wikis arnt working so well is everyone wants the money so they chase things like udemy and youtube
foggy path
the new wiki thing annoys me so much
you google for stuff on UE and find a link
but no it's lazy ass forum mod "HAHA NOPE LOOK IN THIS NEW WIKI <no direct link provided>"
:P
pearl elk
Thats Epics fault for linking every old wiki link to the forum
just search the new wiki
foggy path
yeah thankfully the search seems to function reasonably well
pearl elk
eventually those links will expire and the new wiki ones will take their place, unfortunately Epic domain is ranked high by google
so its just as much a Google problem as it is an Epic one
Ive been trying to write a system which allows you to swap between BP and CPP to see the direct conversion of doing the same thing. If you try searching for the node code for example you wont get the right info
Sometimes in C++ I just call the kismet library cuz its easier ๐
stiff crystal
has that new wiki been online for long?
because I recently searched for it and failed to find anything but rants about the old one gone + some archives of it
foggy path
I think it must've come online in the past 6 months or so at some point because I feel like I had the same problem
fluid bloom
it was launched sometime after the official wiki got shot down
https://discord.gg/XNgZjA <--- discord for wiki specific stuff
pearl elk
I did that logo, so proud ๐
Get a fair few people trying to come on that discord and ask questions but they all get redirected here ๐
fluid bloom
uwu logo
foggy path
I guess if you combined two monopole magnets wouldn't you get that
alpine fern
where are you going to find those
soft night
C# I see from that
pearl elk
Cuz you dont see sharp? ๐ฎ
tulip orbit
based on reality you mean
pearl elk
You should totally make it alien parasites
I always liked that X-Files episode with the spores
bit like chest bursters but with plants
mossy nexus
Ahh, The Strain. I liked that, although bits were.... not as good as they should have been
pearl elk
Yeah it had potential
Damnnit Unreal! Trying to make an unrealistic material and the shader settings arnt having any of it
soft night
MonsWorm with MonsMaterial MonsSpace
foggy path
@pearl elk yeah I'm getting the feeling to really adjust how all that works you'd probably need to recompile the engine from source and somehow figure out where the engine's own shaders are and how those work ๐ค
or maybe this is something that you could also do using a custom Shading Model so you won't have to poke so much at the engine itself and break it
been kinda wondering about the same mostly relating to how lights work
pearl elk
This is just a game demo so I dont really have time to make a custom engine version. I just kinda wanted to use the roughness with the emissive glow but any amount of emissive just turns the material white
I wish there were a way to isolate the glow effect from the material itself somehow, maybe I can fake it with post
Ideally I could just have an invisible mesh with a glow but hello PBR
zinc matrix
E;E
uncut otter
ET
pearl elk
Hmm not a bad idea using a fake cubemap rather than the roughness channel
soft night
i guess then Monso need MonsChannel for the PRB
pearl elk
I need all the channels
When I select Additive it blocks the other channels, this must be an old picture
pearl elk
frosty tree
I got 4cores/8threads
so yeah those shader compiles are slooow
issue is that even if you can compile super complex shaders thats not always the best thing for your players so its not really a silver bullet
foggy path
I was thinking about what ponkkis said about survival games being about the virus + zombies combo
A lot of them have some kind of catastrophic event style scenario where there's no humans left around or something along those lines
So I was thinking how would you do that differently in an environment where there are actually humans around and there hasn't been any kind of an event like that ๐ค
mossy nexus
"Work Day - Survive the ritual of working day to day" "Work Day 2 - Survival is not enough. The Pewpew upgrade"
foggy path
lol
I was thinking of some stories I'd heard about how in the USSR the KGB could show up and just take you in the night
Your neighbors could rat you out to the authorities etc.
mossy nexus
eeek the whole KGB? Naaa won't work with me I've only got a small flat.
foggy path
in a lot of those kindsa games you have to avoid zombies (avoid your neighbors), and not make noise (raise suspicion)
well if it's set in a fictional USSR-like country you could probably have stick collecting and trading for extra rations
but I think some kind of a game where you have some kind of secret task or such that you're trying to complete with limited resources, and without looking suspicious.. it would have pretty much the usual survival gameplay tropes
mossy nexus
Spy Hunter extreme. You are the famous "Spy Hunter", your job [you have no option to refuse] is to look for the enemies spies. You must not raise suspicion or they will flee or kill you. Find the spy before the spy finds you.
Inspired Spy vs Spy stuff can be converted to any survival game I'm sure... ๐
pearl elk
maybe you could be near a nuclear reactor when it melts down and you have to find your way to safety
Expecting the knock at any moment now ๐
dusk cloud
i need to buy new cpu/mobo. doing materials with 4core/4threads is painful ๐
lol i used to be 4core/4threads aswell but then we "upgraded" to 2core/4thread but with ddr4 ram...
it really is painful working with materials
hours of working on a materials while it could be so much faster with atleast more threads
oh and don't forget the facewalls when you delete ue4 cache and everything has to recompile
plucky pagoda
I love this trailer : https://youtu.be/00cSbAuklB4
mossy nexus
I've bought more than a few of those assets too. Good models. ๐
And the trailer is pretty good, certainly amusing ๐
plucky pagoda
Yeah, a lot of them were either free at some point or part of humble bundles.
I've used a few of them too.
pearl elk
lol wtf
sometimes I see some stuff which is like wow AI is really amazing and then I see stuff like this
this is basically the equivalent of a self driving car crashing ๐
soft night
being in Hololens meetup where is unreal for mixed reality devs
pearl elk
Dont you mean Monsolens
soft night
MonsoXR
mossy nexus
There's a shadow priest in the engine scalability settings, you could just put that to epic right? not a lighting guy either tbh
@strong wing That's what I read at first, I'm like 'hmmm interesting' ๐
strong wing
oh i said priest lol?
pearl elk
illuminati
mossy nexus
no no.. you said preset... but I misread it
damnit! ๐ Now I can't stop wondering what a shadow priest in the engine scalability settings, would actually do.
mossy nexus
Is it a priest that worships shadows?
or is only a priest when in shadows?
Enable you to make sacrifices to the dark gods
to get better perf
@foggy path I like it. Hmm a boolean or scalar?
jovial talon
@bronze axle thanks for taking the time to write short summaries in #unreal-news alongside each link, it's really a time saver ๐
bronze axle
@jovial talon Glad you find it useful. Time saving is exactly the idea. I know some people prefer to read Epic's blog post and see the images at a glance, but others just want to know right away what the packs are and click through to the ones they're interested in. Hence why I provide both. ๐
zinc matrix
Look like hilary clinton
zinc matrix
my new menu โค๏ธ https://i.imgur.com/LfKF60K.png
pearl elk
Well thats odd, did a recent Win 10 update change the Calculator icon?
pearl elk
Yeah it used to be more bubbly
pearl elk
Well thats odd, does Discord not show Steam on the profiles anymore?
zinc matrix
they wont let me
login steam
lost acc
cus stupid email verification
JFL
now they lose more steam accounts on people who lost emails and have new IP than from hackers before that security patch
ridiculus, steam!
pearl elk
okay so it seems to only show on the big profile page now not the mini profile in Discord
pearl elk
who needs a steam account anyways
we have the Netflix of gaming now after all
How could you not know what the Netflix of gaming is, its the biggest thing since... well... Netflix
Theres also a Hulu of gaming and an Disney+ of gaming
No Stan of gaming but its coming soon
We need a Spotify of gaming
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix i didnt play a game
in many years
nor i did see the sun
i only codeveve...
zinc matrix
you better do
becuz
in 100 yrs u wont be able to
hyhyh
you could say you will live in the DNA of your child
but you dont have woman
๐
brutal
isnt that the truth??
pearl elk
pearl elk
lol school kids being able to afford this VR display
they prolly already had 1mil subs
books, what are those?
what do you mean the news came printed on paper
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix very slow :C
Bugs took me all daylong :C
so wont have time to market
in fact its 2 am
no
bed soon โค๏ธ
yes
but
you have to DO BOTH
and MAK THEM SEE
UR TEARS
sweat
Ok it works
sick bro
works
but theres one bug ๐
ew
too lazy to fix it
so i broke respawning again ๐
omg
keep coping Konkini
you dont know
ok fixed
respawn
again long webgl compiling..
butyeah, game works so much better now
punnkki
y u no understend
tbh i doubt ill be able to sleep any soon, even tho aam tired
tulip orbit
gamedev is life
tepid wren
why are people going after 5G of all things for "radiation exposure"
zinc matrix
ok final recompiling...
mao..
lmao...
i need to test more always
before that..
iT spreads ponkibola
tepid wren
lol
im just so confused about that stuff
if "5G" is hurting you then your ability to SEE is also
i mean yes of course you could technically die from 5G but it would require a lot of energy and you are essentially just burning yourself alive
sorry just ranting here because my family is being stupid
tepid wren
if I could I would
i essentially would have to cut them off entirely to avoid it
that doesn't work
tulip orbit
get some 5G in your place, then fake your death for a few days. just to see the look on their faces
tepid wren
ignorance extends to everything
zinc matrix
It's not conspiracy, you can die from 5G for real. With this you get 5G after 0.8 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWwhHt0yDIY
tepid wren
"science is made up look they have to correct themselves because they are wrong a lot!"
lol
thats a good one
zinc matrix
@tulip orbit hi
tulip orbit
its early here, but I think I'm gonna head to bed. too tired to be awake
zinc matrix
Look, here they talk how 5G can be fatal, first 15 seconds of video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWBMYV6S5gA
i'm tempted to say racism is fueling the 5g conspiracy
@tulip orbit i go to bed too
BYE INTERITI โค๏ธ
dont dm me during the night
broken sigil
Well visible light and normal background radiation didn't kill me yet so 5G won't either ๐คทโโ๏ธ
jovial talon
Isn't that a bit of a silly argument
cuz if I were to microwave you you wouldn't feel so good ๐
undone wharf
broken sigil
Isn't that a bit of a silly argument
@jovial talon You can cook something with a much lower frequency if the power output is high enough, 5G is lower in both the frequency and the power output than visible light.
UV is much more dangerous than 5G and it is known to cause cell damage, we are exposed to it every day and no one is really concerned about it but people keep on talking about 5G.
broken sigil
I'm serious about my waves ๐
north torrent
I was never good at surfing...
foggy path
I told you to stop using Ask Jeeves
north torrent
The plot twist of my murder mystery game is that the person was never murdered to begin with. She was faking her own death to get out of a contract.
And the whole time she has been in the room, in disguise.
foggy path
heh
north torrent
Ironically her job is writing murder mystery books, and she is tired of being forced to write so many books a year by here corrupt publishing company.
zinc matrix
huh
north torrent
Even though I write children's stories, it is beyond what a Karol can comprehend.
zinc matrix
keep coping
alpine fern
it's not much of a plot twist if you spoil it at the start is it
pearl elk
but I knew the Titanic was gonna sink and it was still a great plot twist
north torrent
No such things as spoilers when something isn't a released product.
north torrent
Well, this is not the place to do it.
north torrent
Whatever you say.
zinc matrix
omg
!!
but theres no security code to type
dont u just love broken websites !! cant email thm !!!!
dim ruin
looks homemade
pearl elk
Im so ahead of the curve I dont even have to release my games anymore
foggy path
I wonder how much of the usual wisdom of SaaS / infoproduct marketing can you apply to games
with SaaS and such you pretty much should start by marketing it
to establish product market fit
and only after that you actually start working on it
zinc matrix
ZOMG!!!
foggy path
zinc matrix
keep coping
proven thorn
@foggy path quite a number of companies do this by showing you trailers of games that don't yet exist.
proven thorn
Modding is another good way to tell too.
Lower your cost by using other people's assets first and refine the game play.
north torrent
But the real game that people want doesn't exist yet, so there is really no way to know ahead of time. Just have to make it.
foggy path
Yeah I mean it's the same with any market research, you don't really know for sure until you have money from someone in your hand
Once upon a time I made a video course, I had money in hand before the product even existed beyond a table of contents :)
it's probably a lot harder to do with games though
proven thorn
Play tests help.
If you are having fun, step 1. If your friends are having fun, step 2. If friends of your friends are having fun, step 3. If strangers are having fun... woot.
north torrent
I think that's just how life is supposed to go. Especially art.
A director is never going to know if a movie is going to be a success until he/she makes said movie. A painter is never going to know if a painting is going to be a masterpiece until he/she paints something on the canvas.
proven thorn
I have been involved with many mod teams that would never release anything right up until the end. By then it was too hard to change the game play.
I do think with games you can do validation tests along the way.
Don't always need polished art, code, sound or music
foggy path
Yeah you can definitely validate along the way, it's probably just harder to do it up front before you spend a lot of time on it than with some other kinds of products
north torrent
You have to put a considerable amount of work in before you can start to judge it.
Same with filming a movie, writing a book, or painting or whatever...
Gotta write the first chapter of a book before someone can proof read the first chapter of a book. But you can't proof read the whole thing until the whole thing is written.
proven thorn
Some games can be paper prototyped.
north torrent
You can prototype a game, but you still never know if it is going to sell at the end.
proven thorn
Oh for sure, no one can predict that.
north torrent
The game could be perfect and still not sell.
north torrent
You could say something Steam fanboys don't like and then then all the YouTube people will stir up drama and get your game boycotted.
proven thorn
Boycotts don't work
north torrent
Not generally, but there are a lot of things that could sink a good game.
proven thorn
I still can't believe how Crucible turned out.
north torrent
No.
proven thorn
If the emails get responses it can help.
However, in my experience most influencers are pretty bad at selling games.
north torrent
Have either of you two seen Karol's prototype?
proven thorn
Ones that did, was Total Biscuit (rip)
But pretty much everyone else, basically didn't move the bottom line for me.
north torrent
It is a proof of concept prototype to show that he can have 1 or 2 players walking around a planet at the same time with some proof of concept mechanics that allow taking damage but with no core gameplay loop.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and I think making a prototype first is a great way to go about making a game.
But an early stage prototype isn't going to sell just because you send some emails or try to market it.
He has some gameplay, but it is all early prototype phase.
proven thorn
It is mostly a numbers game in the end. More people that know about the game, the more it might sell.
zinc matrix
see his coping mechanism lmao
north torrent
So I'm not trying to knock his prototype or anything. Just saying it is a good start and not a finished product.
proven thorn
I didn't realize that Star Dew Valley had a community prior to it selling on Steam for example.
Knowing that was pretty interesting.
So I'd say spending time to grow a community around your game is a good idea.
proven thorn
I belong to another Discord for game devs, and occasionally we would see a new person post something like "my game is coming out in 3 days, how do I market it?"
Ah... Too late... Too late.
north torrent
I found a good GDC talk about marketing, though I have never played or heard of the game being talked about.
A lot of what she talks about are things I have implemented into my own designs for a while now. I am just too lazy to actually go about organizing my thoughts on the matter and presenting it.
proven thorn
Not to shit on the talk, but isn't that like those YouTube channels that tell you how to get a million views on YouTube despite the presenter him or herself not having a video with a million views?
north torrent
I'm pretty sure the game did sell well, it is just outside of what I personally play.
proven thorn
Ah, ignore my statement. I think Dream Daddy did do pretty well.
I was just talking to a graduate recently. And I asked him if his teacher came from the games industry. Teacher would always say that he was NDAed (after 5 years) which sounds like complete BS to me.
north torrent
But generally, these are mostly the same things I have believed for a long time now. I've just never bothered to make a video about it.
Star Citizen?
zinc matrix
eaeaeaeea
north torrent
Does Star Citizen NDA its developers?
north torrent
This is why people don't take you seriously Karol... I am sure many people would be happy to help you in game design if you would just stop acting so childish all the time...
north torrent
Dream Daddy did end up making a lot of money. I still never played it.
proven thorn
Same here. I have heard of it, but I am not interested in it.
pearl elk
Its not always possible to play off internetisms to sell your game either, some types of games suit that sort of sales technique better than others
For example one I played is called Non-stop Chuck Norris and its basically all memes
pearl elk
If you look back on a game like that it will feel very dated because the culture moves on fairly quickly
north torrent
Skip to 39:30 in the YouTube video if you want to see the part about character design.
Personally I would have done a whole talk on what she just skims over in 5 minutes... But I am also too lazy to do that.
That is specifically one of the things she talks about in the GDC talk, Mr. Olympus.
proven thorn
I find that with modern sit coms, they try to capitalize on current memes. But rewatching them again is just cringey.
north torrent
A big part of this talk is about why that is and why you shouldn't do that.
pearl elk
Yeah Ive seen it acouple of times
The thing with this talk is its an immediate retrospective, it hasnt had any time to age, the talk itself is very on fleek but in a few years she might look back and find it cringe ๐
north torrent
I have always found the idea of making character that are instantly recognizable down to their very basic shapes or colors is a big part of gaining a following.
Look at the color for the 4 Harry Potter Houses... people still in 2020 will buy that merchandise...
pearl elk
Well it helps from a game mechanics standpoint, it was a big part of TF2s design to have player classes which are quickly recognisable
north torrent
If a character has enough instantly recognizable shapes that a 6 year old can draw fan art and it will look like said character without needing explained, that is something that will help with fan engagement.
pearl elk
Issue with that sort of mentality atm is its what everyone is doing, its all cartoon looking to appeal to the broadest possible market. On the other hand we have alot of hyper realisims but not much of the space in between in occupied
I wouldnt mind seeing a game in the style of a Monet for example or something more synthetic cubist Picasso
north torrent
If a game like Grand Theft Auto has a lot of moments that can be screen captured and shared with a friend because it is crazy or funny or unique, then that helps market and spread your game.
A game like Uncharted however, that is just the player doing what he or she is told, that is a spoiler as opposed to you sharing a unique moment of your game with your friend.
proven thorn
We chose a topic lots of people got into, sharks :)
north torrent
I am not saying that the character should lack detail. I actually want to go to the opposite extreme of that, Mr. Olympus.
I design the characters so that if you were 20 meters away and the textures were just flat colors, they would be recognizable.
A 6 year old could draw a simplified not fancy looking version of said character just from the recognizable shapes.
But that doesn't mean I can't have detail down to the skin pores and the very specific kind of fabric and zippers and little scratches in the surface of the character's watch.
It is just an idea of designing recognizable shapes before detailing it, and trying to not clutter the image with details, but use them in a way that adds to it.
pearl elk
Uncharted is a treasure hunt so it appeals to that part of peoples inner child even though the graphics are quite realistic. The Forest is the fort building fantasy, obviously Dream Daddy plays of an existing fantasy people already had so Im not sure the design of the dads is quite as important as you might think
north torrent
I am not trying to say Uncharted is bad, just that it is going to be marketed in a different way.
It isn't going to be shared through screenshots and videos of 'look what I did' as much as a Grand Theft Auto.
pearl elk
I just think there is also some expression in non-solid forms, to have a games which are more fluid or abstract and they still appeal to peoples baser fantasies
A majority of the games I play contain humans and its not a conscious choice it comes down to availability
north torrent
There are many different ways to appeal to people with different art. This just happens to be one way that I personally like to do.
pearl elk
I agree with what youre saying but Im abit humaned out after Last of Us 2 ๐
north torrent
I don't know much about that game.
pearl elk
Its a similar style of game to Uncharted, just more emphasis on stealth and survival so overall the tone is more serious
foggy path
I heard it's shit now because it has girls kissing
pearl elk
yeah well, they did their best to make the CG characters feel human when being intimate but its not the best work Ive seen. I think Love, Death and Robots did it better
That is Blur though, theyve been killing it for decades
It does get to a point where youre kinda like, well why not just use real actors which are close to the CG ones rather than shouldering all those extra costs.
eg if they had Henry Cavill for the Witcher games
north torrent
That's why I try to go for stylized but while also not being low poly or flat textures.
I want to have nice shaders and textures while still being stylized enough that I can get by with cheaper animations.
pearl elk
Well I guess what Im saying is theres alot of room to explore with expressionism and in terms of energy in motion with regards to artistic style of humans.
pearl elk
Its called an art degree, I knew it would come in handy one day ๐
foggy path
welp bought substance designer on steam sales, let's see if I'll ever get any use out of it
north torrent
Art is certainly a complex topic and it takes a lot of work to find the right art style for a project.
foggy path
I guess it's good to have it in case I actually wanna try making some 3D models at some point
zinc matrix
what if you decide to make art and you make paintings and try to sell them and they dont sell
TbH i KnOw oNe dePreSsInG anime like tis
foggy path
you can always sell furry YCH art for five bucks a pop
pearl elk
Film makers use some of the techniques from expressionism to bring across the idea someone is a villain, they do have other tricks too like having heros enter one side of the screen villains from the other
the whole dark lighting for a villain is prime example, or trying to warp their appearance in some way to portray the ugly inside on the outside
foggy path
I mean if you see a character played by Steven Ogg you know he's a villain
Pretty sure he's always playing real shady doods lol
(he's the guy they modeled Trevor after in GTA V)
zinc matrix
but gta V is dull
pearl elk
Have characters which all like Baroque paintings and they shatter like porcelain when damaged ๐
north torrent
The general idea of a dialogue wheel is to create a sort of 'predictability' of what the options on the interface will be.
north torrent
The idea the up, left, bottom, and right all have a different ideology to the choices.
north torrent
Karol, you were not invited to this conversation, go play with your toys.
zinc matrix
you call my mmo an toy? ๐
north torrent
You can play with any toys you want.
zinc matrix
BRO
north torrent
But low camera angles can make the character seem more powerful, high camera angles can make them look overwhelmed.
A camera being further away makes the character seem distant and detached compared to a close up.
Even the precision of shadows can tell a story. The more crisp the lines on a shadow are, the more menacing a scene becomes.
Look at the sharp contrast of lights and shadows popular in Noir films.
regal trail
Anyone had any issues with loading time?
north torrent
What is life but a loading screen?
regal trail
My epic games launcher and unreal engine takes atleast 5 minutes to load
alpine fern
did you install it on an obsolete drive?
north torrent
zinc matrix
but guys
regal trail
Probably
zinc matrix
EAE
regal trail
It's about 8 years old and is a terrabyte
north torrent
An 8 year old ssd?
regal trail
Hard disk
alpine fern
so it's obsolete then
regal trail
Hm, yeah it's about time I get an upgrade.
north torrent
Well, we have found your problem.
regal trail
Is it normal for my disk to be at 100% though?
foggy path
I have UE on a hard disk and it definitely doesn't take 5 minutes to load
regal trail
Usage
zinc matrix
spotted invisible player in my MMo..
north torrent
Is it a very old HDD though, Mr. Zomg?
And just because some HDD don't run super slow after 8 years is not proof that it isn't a common problem.
foggy path
it's like 8-9 years old :P
foggy path
regal trail
My ssd is about the same age should I make some space for it there maybe.
regal trail
It just loaded.
north torrent
Buy some new drives if they are all 8 years old... Or do you just hate your data?
foggy path
Why do I need to buy a new drive if the current one is working perfectly fine
north torrent
I was talking to Mr. Yolohorse.
regal trail
I couldn't care less I just don't want to sit around a day and transfer all my files to a new drive
foggy path
ah my bad
north torrent
I wasn't aware you had asked a question, Mr. Zomg.
foggy path
if you have load time issues it's plausible your drive might be on its way out tbh
slow load times is one of the typical problems that start happening when drives get bad sectors and stuff
regal trail
probably.
So would it be better if I made some space on my ssd instead?
oOoh right you reminded me about performance.
It stutters every 3 seconds
No other program on my E drive does that.
north torrent
My life is a HDD.
foggy path
Yeah I'm still buying HDD's for non perf critical stuff
I'll install big games and stuff that I want to work fast on SSD's but that's about it really
actually the most recent one I bought is a hybrid SSD/HDD thing, bit quicker for some things than a traditional HDD but not as expensive capacitywise as an SSD
regal trail
Anyways thanks.
north torrent
HDD is ok if I want a cheap external. I haven't used on in a computer in over 5 years.
regal trail
I installed the latest version of unreal engine it loaded pretty quickly this time ngl first time tryng
But the stuttering issue is still there
Oh wow, so it is fixed I think it was just the update
Now it's just as quick as blender
north torrent
I have never hear anyone ever say 'as quick as Blender' before...
rigid shoal
I wouldn't even get an HDD as a cheap external. It's just too slow and less hardy.
SSDs are sooo cheap nowadays too.
Maybe I'm overly paranoid about HDDs dying.
zinc matrix
i would love to just go to SSDs completely for all my personal data - only problem is, they're expensive
north torrent
They are cheap compared to most things in life...
Like a house for example. I could save for 230 years and still not be able to buy a house.
Or a car, it would take over 100 ssds to buy a car.
If you are in the US and you break a leg, your hospital bill is going to be hundreds of SSDs.
That's even with the 3 SSDs you are paying every month for health insurance.
A rocket to go to outer space will cost over a million SSDs.
foggy path
I can buy months of food for the price of an SSD :p
zinc matrix
But Mao, you are not in US. You can get house in Poland for $50K (or even less if you are willing to build it yourself)
fluid bloom
I think location is what matters when it comes to housing, everywhere
zinc matrix
but i dont have 50k
no to dziurgaj to MMO szybciej zamiast spamowac #lounge
xD
a skad jestes
z omni
nie znam takiego miejsca ๐
soft night
ssdrive
zinc matrix
I can buy months of food for the price of an SSD :p
@foggy path that is the thing
tulip orbit
miticlorians
primal spoke
Anyone, how does iClone compare to maya or blender for animation and mocap stuff? If you could tag me on the replay that would be great!
zinc matrix
@pearl elk question => answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU
pearl elk
Its a railgun ๐ฎ
foggy path
Gravity is for schmucks
I only believe in Super Gravity
It's basically like gravity, but super
pearl elk
I dont believe in Galaxies
tulip orbit
I am also waiting for your pizza to arrive.
zinc matrix
Thin crust margarita is the best pizza
foggy path
I saw ICP tweet about canceling shows because of corona because they don't want to see any juggalos hurt
that was such an endearing statement
:D
"ICP is handling covid better than the US government" I believe someone was saying
tulip orbit
thats not saying much
chilly igloo
Oh c'mon! Why then i always enter #lounge someone talking about sandviches or pizza! ๐
pearl elk
look at the party name
I hope he's not gonna wear his birthday suit to the whitehouse
it'll make Trumps hands look very very small ๐
foggy path
well him running as independent probably guarantees it won't go anywhere :p
Itโs not Chinaโs fault that disease. Itโs not the Chinese peopleโs fault
pearl elk
Must admit it would be interesting to hear a President rap
foggy path
the only fucking thing that makes any sense in anything he said in that interview
Paris Hilton tweeted this
fucking vote for her any day rather than Kanye 
pearl elk
US gonna get dat gat, its a fact jack, gonna whack those japs if they dont help us attack... the commies
foggy path
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for president
pearl elk
Kayne didnt even know iPhones were made in China even though he's owned every single one of em. I remember he said hold up your smart phones, originals only talkin like Apple was some sort of right of passage for Americans lol
Its like duder its right there on the back, mind you newest ones bit different, this is acouple of years ago now
foggy path
China is just a suburb of California amirite
well at least Paris is actually smart unlike Kanye lol
pearl elk
I coulda sworn one of the C's in Maccas stood for China ๐