Got a PoC?
#lounge
sage tendon
zinc matrix
poc?
pearl elk
you really need 2 PoCs
zinc matrix
nah
i must
fix this bug
its somewhat fixed
then i can release
pc version was done a while ago
im only facing this bug on browser...
sage tendon
Skip the browser version and go for full pc release
pearl elk
jeez that gif name tryin to get me banned lol
sage tendon
black ants will rule the world one day
i wonder how their politics will look like
will one day their queen become just a symbolic position? will they get presidents?
tho, a thing like covid-19 would wipe them out very fast, as their way of communication is based on touching
but, if they survive long enough, they can get what gamers dream of, a real zombie apocalypse
zinc matrix
coronavirus makes tentacles grow from cells
pearl elk
libber tentacles infecting your children
sage tendon
the punishment of reptilians for seeing trough the sphere earth lie
zinc matrix
theyre not masts
theyre tentacles
masts are straight
i feel power going through my veins
Cofefefefe power
you guys know.. everyone is like "weird, coffee doesnt do that to me"
and am like.. cus.. u need to drink MOAR
pearl elk
We must filter the internet to protect the future
Conservative voices must be heard, for freedom
zinc matrix
i like my pregnant friend
pearl elk
When Discord gonna get PSN connect already
fathom wadi
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
carmine frigate
pearl elk
yeah they wear aftershave and perfume
fathom wadi
True story. I studied ants and their coinhabitant linguistics.
Ants lisp a lot. It's part of their physical makeup.
im writing a book about it. The Anthology of Anths.
pearl elk
You should write a song too, call it an anthem
fathom wadi
good call. ill put you in the preface
pearl elk
Pretty sure its how most rappers communicate too 😛
fathom wadi
plants grow towards the sound of running water. Thats why I my rock garden is hypocritical.
Those ain't real rappers. It's Ant and Dec
I dont even class that as rap tbh. Pure pop song using tropes. It pokes fun at itself as it goes so its a self-aware joke really.
quasi maple
anyone can give me advice on how to actually start doing a game
what should I plan, what should I concentrate on, etc..
I feel like I'm going nowhere.
pearl elk
Why do I feel worse about killing dogs in games than humans lol
You know though with this topic of ludonarrative dissonance coming up I do wonder if given the option not to kill people, would people appreciate those decisions coming back on them just as much as the decision to off someone.
Cuz you kill someone and their loved ones come after you, decide to let them go and it might still come back on you. Maybe they kill your uncle 🙂
tulip orbit
well if you're a hitman, and you decide not to kill someone, theres consequences
pearl elk
This idea that killing is always the morally wrong thing to do might not be helping the industry push forward
No one really questions why Arnie or Stallone kill all those people because they are the 'good guy' if they didnt then the 'bad guys' would do their 'bad things'. Its pretty clear cut
Yeah those tend to be preset narratives branches, it would be cool if it wernt forced either way
Maybe it comes back to haunt you, maybe not, who knows, thats really the risk you take in life or death situations
Yes well, we wont go there. BR games are nothing like the actual movie
tulip orbit
but I like slaughtering everyone to save the world 😄
pearl elk
Yeah I think the choice should be yours and its up to you to also deal with the consequences of those decisions. Maybe killing someone makes the next stretch of a game easier cuz they were a leader or whatnot
If I could leave more people alive I actually would, I wouldnt kill no one though
In the discussions people seem to be on the extreme ends not much in the middle ground where you know, killing might be a necessary evil but youre not a psycho
Its got to do with the enemies too they dont give you much choice, if I took one of your friends hostage with a gun to their head and told you to make a choice. Would you drop your guns and leave if I said I would let them go?
pearl elk
Or would you be a robotic NPC and just hunt me down like a serial killer until I was dead
Id probably pistol whip your friend but theyd be alive after I bug out
Thats the sort of thing I dont get, is Im forced to be either/or, Im bloodcrazed or just some person walkin around with no weapons
zinc matrix
i love you monso
man i made some sick shit
cus in webgl u cant send networking updates too often
so i update like every 0.25 sec
instead of every frame (which is 60 times per second and 30 per 0.30 sec, i think)
and then i just ..
calculate locally how to make it move smoothly
Super kek yes?
❤️
now browser players can play my physics intensive realtime combat heavy mmo game
real palm
it's such a laugh
quasi maple
@zinc matrix I already learnt UE4
I knew C++ before
All I'm asking is how to plan a game
like advice
zinc matrix
dude
if you learned ue4
and still dont know how to make a game
then its OVER
trust me
as for planning you could use trello or some online diagrams
pearl elk
Tap the enter key really fast until an MMO appears
sage tendon
If you take the driver seat in a car and manage to start the engine, did you made the car?
pearl elk
Even if you built the car youre technically not its creator
zinc matrix
remco
but i made the car
the game
i mean
just cus you used game engine doesnt mean you didnt make the game after all
pearl elk
What game did you make?
zinc matrix
3D sandbox realtime space oriented mmorpg
pearl elk
Tell us the unique selling points of this game, whats the hook, whats its target audience?
zinc matrix
killing
pearl elk
Thats not a game its a genre, tell me about your game
pearl elk
You havent said anything yet, wheres the elevator pitch? You dont even have a bad one
My games about a grumpy game designer who lurks in lounge waiting for someone to pitch an amazing game
You get points the longer you lurk and when you click on noobs names you get a multiplier
pearl elk
I didnt ask to see a video though, I asked you what your game is about and you cant tell me.
dense storm
``` ahh good old Rider for UE giving me the correct return type :Im not even digging too deep, I was simply asking for the overview. I didnt ask about how youre going to resolve replication of building space ships in an MMO
Thats a Super return
it has to be long enough to cover up the fake mustache 😛
zinc matrix
yeah i told u the gameplay
pearl elk
I guess when Naughty Dog designed Last of Us they just wrote, Linear Zombie Killing
handed that to everyone and boop done
GTA - Crime Sandbox
Look at me go, designing hundred games a week here
pearl elk
No
zinc matrix
like
its really great game
but some maynot like it
its up to them
also my game is so great that it doesnt fit descriptions anymore
pearl elk
I still dunno what your game is about
tulip orbit
my IBS is flaring up from your answers john
zinc matrix
well i can show u the video if u want
IMO its not about what the game is about
because specifying objective would mean the game itself is not very broad
but truth is its about a lot of things
pearl elk
Do you know of The Dunning-Kruger Effect? Actually why am I even asking, the answer is more obvious than what your game is about 🙂
pearl elk
Im impressed
pearl elk
Youre not the one youre selling games to 🙂
pearl elk
You need to be able to sell it to people and to do that you need to be able to say clearly what the game is about and what will set it apart. Why would I invest time in an MMO, let alone your MMO?
Cuz I could just play Eve or Star Citizen instead, those have amazing graphics, ship building and all other sorts of cool features
pearl elk
It doesnt matter your personal opinion, you need to convince me
zinc matrix
my game will work on bad computers
pearl elk
This magical game again
pearl elk
It seems to be able to do everything at the press of a button
zinc matrix
your distracting me
pearl elk
its everything and nothing
I bet they had to use the infinity gauntlet just to snap it into existence
No actually I asked a pretty simple question about the design of your game
the distraction was you doing everything to dodge the question, Im under the impression you dont even know what the game is. So youre going to be building forever
zinc matrix
cope
i was one day away from release
until bad bug happened
now i fixed the bug..
now need to clean
a bit
also, i can show u the video if u want
pearl elk
Youre living in a dream world neo
zinc matrix
why?
pearl elk
the rest of us are here coping while youre off with the fairies
zinc matrix
i need to finish this game to leave my home finally
pearl elk
trying to be helpful but I guess some people will continue with their quest to build the Titanic
zinc matrix
and to find gf
pearl elk
we all know what happened there, biggest badass ship for the time... yup it sank
zinc matrix
it sank cus stupid pilot
pearl elk
or the Spruce Goose, best amphibious plane ever made, it got into the air... a tiny bit once
zinc matrix
yes, lets compare games to boats and planes
pearl elk
Im comparing incompetent creators 🙂
zinc matrix
ok
pearl elk
The Titanic sunk because of poor design, if the interior metal walls had gone up further and been engineered right it could have floated for far longer and wouldnt have split into two before sinking
pearl elk
They also removed life rafts to clear the decks because ofcoarse the boat couldnt sink... "even God himself couldnt sink this boat"
delusional
zinc matrix
😄
pearl elk
Have you heard of a risk assessment?
pearl elk
Basically what happens is you check out a project and the people involved to see if its actually viable, if investing in it is worthwhile.
zinc matrix
you mean you wanna play it?
pearl elk
Nothing wrong with taking on risky projects but there are some warning signs as to projects which will never be viable no matter how much resources are pumped into it.
fathom wadi
I've made a career from projects that aren't viable.
pearl elk
You sell toilet paper? 😛
fathom wadi
No im on the wrong end of the shit reversal business.
always said I should have been a plumber
pearl elk
If youre a plumber I guess Im a fixer 🙂
fathom wadi
I took the unwise option to work on my own project for a while. Talk about viability jeez.
no viability in me spending 3 years animating stuff I need to get to gameplay
lyric ibex
hello, i wasn't sure where to post and have had a bad experience with this server in the past due to asking a question and people telling me to post it in different places.. I have a question about culling and LOD's for grass types on a landscape but not sure if #graphics or #level-design is the right place to post. 😦
fathom wadi
technically its graphics and level design. So you should be safe in either
might be something a level design guru might spend more time on or know more about I guess
lyric ibex
alrighty thank you for pointing me in the right direction 👍
fathom wadi
when in doubt, always ask in the #ue4-general channel. And if anyone refers you to another channel, just post again there. Its not really breaking cross posting rules if someone advised you to go repost in another channel. Not like the cross channel spammers trying to get someone's attention
lyric ibex
alright thanks!
pearl elk
Look at lounge being all helpful 🙂
fathom wadi
too much hate around atm. share the love
pearl elk
destroy all democrats... jk 🙂
zinc matrix
yeah i hate when people try to get attention
fathom wadi
im having fun atm taking two free marketplace characters that do two different things and making them into one. All kinds of retargetting and duplicating going on. Seems like there should be an easier method, or rather less convoluted method
zinc matrix
theres a guy who often pastes same message on all gamedev discords were both in jfl
last time it was about gym
fathom wadi
anim graph linking is nice but it has to be from the same skel mesh so duplication is a must even though its kind of self-defeating for multiple skel situations
Perhaps if there was an interface that step in and recognise the same mannequin skeleton setup across multiple projects etc. Then do something special
zinc matrix
human society is weird
pearl elk
Yeah having all those mannequins can be a pain when you want them all to be merged
zinc matrix
intellect
is like beauty
but do you consider other smart male beautiful if hes intelligent
this is good question
pearl elk
Stop what?
tulip orbit
pearl elk
Youre probably right, I shouldnt try to teach people about game design
Its all about rushing to prototype and pumping out clones anyways
tulip orbit
prototype complete game
pearl elk
no difference if theyre released
tulip orbit
who cares so long as schmucks pay for it
pearl elk
I heard Unity games get a bad name cuz all the best ones can afford to remove the splash screen, makes alot of sense tbh
I like how Unreal Engine devs are proud though, its like we'll show the logo even though we dont have to
foggy path
Majority of people I've spoken to who trash unity don't generally know of the big titles yeah
real palm
I take no issue with teaching people about game design, when they actually need to learn.
Poes, though, Well I guess it's your life.
pearl elk
You think John is a master game creator?
real palm
No, but I think John is trolling.
pearl elk
I know they are but if I can reverse troll and teach some peeps in the channel at the same time then whos winning 🙂
real palm
Fair enough I suppose
pearl elk
Im just chatting inbetween playin last of us 2 so its not really wasting my time
I dont have an mmo to code hehe
real palm
Ah, yeah, that clientside reconciliation doesn't really proto itself (the night before shipping)
zinc matrix
I want to change the games with my world
So I can change the world with my games
pearl elk
Im glad youve graduated to writing half sentences per lines now, progress
zinc matrix
i will change the world of indie game development
no more nub gaems.. no more single player...
i will write an article on my website how to make an multiplayer game in 3 easy steps in unity
how
a lot of gamers are lonely
so ill give em what they want
why
whats even the point of playing with AI
sage tendon
Whats the point of it all anyways
You get born, build upon stuff of the already dead, you die and new borns do the same. Up until there is no human left.
zinc matrix
yes
the point is
theres no point, but some like to give purpose to their lifes
and i love it
i like making stuff
coding games..
however if i could live forever and never die that would be like best thing you could ever get
sage tendon
What if youre the last thing in the universe?
zinc matrix
idk bro but am hungry
real palm
heh if you think AI don't have a point to play against, maybe make an AI that you would feel compelling to spar with
since you like handmaking MMO interpolations and such
rain steppe
What should I learn for 3d modeling - 3ds max, maya, houdini, blender or Modo?
zinc matrix
@rain steppe blender
sage tendon
Paint 3D
zinc matrix
@sage tendon do you like it https://preview.redd.it/eolmtojbmh751.png?width=913&format=png&auto=webp&s=e38fb3f423c25cf0b829156f5f33dd85bf70338e
i love teh colors
it doesnt even have fancy lighting effects or anything, but it looks very playable
sage tendon
Not my taste
zinc matrix
ok
sage tendon
Will it be f2p?
zinc matrix
yes
❤️
im so sweaty
dont you just love when someone downvotes your showoff post on reddit
sage tendon
Only times im on reddit is when google thinks a redditpost has an awsmer and links me to there
yes
@zinc matrix
Nice, cant wait to try and hack it >:D
zinc matrix
@sage tendon i should invest in waifu
to be less unhappy in the evenings
but..
no muney
duh #l i f e
sage tendon
that would only be a distraction to succes
zinc matrix
@sage tendon i wanna use toilet but its night now and there ton of worms
dense marsh
hello everyone
zinc matrix
Hi cutie
dense marsh
first time here was never able to find a discord for unreal lol
north torrent
98% of people here use Unreal.
dense marsh
yeah just couldnt find it. anyway does anyone here also use iclone + unreal livelink?
north torrent
I don't know what those words mean...
dense marsh
oh lol sorry iclone 7 is a program that you can make unlimited characters
its what i use
on the left, iclone7 right, unreal
sorry if i posted this in teh wrong section >_>
guess the inverted eyes didnt transfer to unreal...gotta fix that
covert nebula
hey guys
supple crystal
It´s official guys! Gronions trailer will be done, to release on July 1st
I just finished the trailer song!
Sounds great
north torrent
Cool.
zinc matrix
My father want me to help him but i slept 1h only
devout lotus
@calm epoch
such a simple language
imagine if something this simple was in unreal
calm epoch
looks like javascript
devout lotus
It's not based sorry
calm epoch
but i guess if its 2d, it doesnt need to be as speedy
devout lotus
looks like the language lol
it's not the fastest, c# is about 5x faster than gdscript
devout lotus
C# ain't as simple tho
calm epoch
ofc ofc
devout lotus
C++ complicated AF
devout lotus
yep
calm epoch
when using unity
devout lotus
I love it
calm epoch
i just switched over no problem
devout lotus
performs
calm epoch
pin it
soft night
now that this current situation isnt hard enough https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1276866881308307459?s=20
broken sigil
Well... just as you thought 2020 can't get any worse. Won't even celebrate New Year, just gonna kick this one out the door
dense marsh
goodnight everyone!
pearl elk
We should have a do over, just make next year 2020 as well
woven helm
Im dying inside. I wanted to utilize learn.unrealengine.com this morning after going to sleep early, and its down for maintenance. I go check again now, still in maintenance. I just wanna leaaaarn.
pearl elk
There are other ways to learn
woven helm
True but I was enjoying myself with the official stuff.
Still wonder why its under maint. Cant seem to find any word on it
woven helm
I actually didnt get an email, haha. Likely because I had registered only the day before. Mind copypasting the contents so I can get up to speed?
north torrent
There are plenty of official videos on the Unreal YouTube to fill your time.
I also downloaded the blueprint course and a few others in PPT format. I was going to teach a class using it, but didn't end up having any students sign up.
woven helm
Oh, would you be willing to provide me with that? Any learning material yall recommend will be amazingly useful.
north torrent
I am looking to see if it is on this computer... It might just be on my home computer right now... sigh...
I can send it when I get home in a few hours.
I'll look and see if there is a link that isn't down on the Epic Website.
It was still in my favorites. The link is still working for me.
woven helm
Many thanks.
lime citrus
@zinc matrix https://gyazo.com/1ddfcacf58067f7cf406f56136aef116
but thats not how you work with bones to begin with
zinc matrix
i slept 1h only
thanks dad
now i cant deve my game
what even can u do with 1h of sleep
my laptop is hot from 50 degrees
how
must be ssd or something
overheating..
@zinc matrix cant sleep during the day as i dont fall asleep, so my dad singing my name at 5am really angered me
pearl elk
2 weeks later, he dies of malaria RIP 🙂
With muscles like that he might be the vaccine
alpine fern
there are so many channels making these kinds of fake videos now
digging a hole that size with that tool is just not possible
lots of convenient cuts where he used the excavator to remove earth 
pearl elk
They dug deep holes without excavators for a lot of years
alpine fern
I mean that makes sense but this guy doesn't have a shovel
pearl elk
watching one show about this Oak Island, they found a mine 120ft below the surface which was made in 1680ish with axes and shovels
Personally I think fuck that, but people are insane obviously 🙂
alpine fern
how are you going to remove the loose earth from the hole without a shovel
pearl elk
he uses his hands by the looks but he has crazy upper body strength
also consider he is working in heavy shade
try that out in the desert 😛
what more bugged me was, what did he eat and drink
clearly getting deliveries 🙂 no time to hunt
unless he traps rabbits or fish
it is interesting, will have to watch more to see whats really going on
making cement with a vase is pretty DIY lol
Predators just up in the tree's watchin like, lets see if he finishes then we rip his spine out
He's doin better than most of us would thats forsure
Id cut a big leaf off a tree just sit there fanning myself for 9 days lol
lets see him make a colour TV out of dirt 😛
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix what country is that jungle in?
does he not care about other men ruining it?
keep coping
ponkkis
zinc matrix
i feel like i've seen too much CG to not see those were IRL graphics
or his camera was configured to be like that
zinc matrix
CG bubz
tulip orbit
any ideas how to prevent the navmesh from being on TOP of the barrels?
tulip orbit
the "can character step up" flag?
its procedurallly generated decorations, so the same BP could be a small deco or a big one
I made the navmesh shorter and that fixed it, which will probably be fine, so long as I dont want multi-level dungeons at some point
pearl elk
yeah it might cause issues if you have stairs
tulip orbit
setting the flag does nothing 😦
pearl elk
There should be one for walkability not just step up
tulip orbit
only other relevant one I see is can effect navigation, which is needed
pearl elk
must be in the agents settings
the character following the nav mesh
Actually no it should be in the collision settings for the mesh
theyve moved it around and renamed it a few times
tulip orbit
found in the mesh settings, walkable slope override, behaviour unwalkable
but it doesnt seem to do anything
my issue is the enemies are spawning on top of the barrels cause the navmesh generated there
pearl elk
depends if the mesh is being used for the collision or not
tulip orbit
yup
pearl elk
best bet is to generate a blocker if walkable isnt working
thing is you'll get other issues too with enemies spawning in unconnected areas
tulip orbit
they're being spawned within a fairly tight radius from the center of the room, but if a barrel set spawns in the center, it spawns the enemies on top, instead of around the room
pearl elk
maybe stop it from spawning barrels in the middle of a room 🙂
zinc matrix
stop bad humans
pearl elk
realistically most things get stacked against a wall
zinc matrix
humanciety
tulip orbit
the decos randomly spawn in a random cell around the room
and eventually there'll be a lot of different decos to spawn, more than just barrels
pearl elk
yeah but you know where the enemies will spawn so subtract that space from the deco spawn area 🙂
pearl elk
thats what I was thinking though you might have shorter props which will still get navigation spawned on em
tulip orbit
the spawn locations are "GetRnadomReachablePointInRadius"
changed to randompointinnavigableradius, and of course no barrels spawn in center of room. damn procedurals
pearl elk
automated testing ftw
tulip orbit
Not sure how to set that up. But I do have a way of setting the seed if I find a problem seed
zinc matrix
cope interiti cope
tulip orbit
enemies dont spawn till player is ingame now, so that it doesnt spawn 50 AI and slow things down
tulip orbit
if I make a bigger map, and it spawns 100 AI, it could slow down FPS too much I think, so I dont spawn the AI until the player is within a dist from that room
pearl elk
Maybe just spawn the enemy collisions in the editor randomly so you can see
tulip orbit
yeah I can change it easily
pearl elk
I tend to have a regenerate button I can spam in the editor for testing
zinc matrix
yes interiti
spawn it if hes near
models too..
all tat chit budi bayo..
tats wat i du in may ememou
pearl elk
English motherfr, do you speak it?
tulip orbit
ok, I think changing it to navigable radius instead of "reachable" fixed most cases
pearl elk
No worries, not sure I was that much help though
tulip orbit
got me thinking
I think I'm dangerously close now to actually having to come up with enemies
which for some reason I'm just completely stumped on ideas
pearl elk
dwarf enemies
with goblin henchmen
the dwarfs have cannons and they shoot goblins at you
pearl elk
Man why are EU companies so bad at shipping merch globally 😦
All I want is a Cyberpunk 2077 tee damnnit
Shipping from Mexico though, no warios... arrives in a month
zinc matrix
coper
zinc matrix
Lots of rules and regulations. I champion the EU for at least trying to give a fuck about their consumers but I hate that they support restrictive copyright law.
foggy path
"they" are most likely your own reps voting for them
I mean assuming you're from EU of course
I looked stuff up back when they were voting about the copyright stuff and gotta remember to not vote for the ones who voted wrong the next time the seats are up :P
sage tendon
idk how to fix my gaem !!11
@zinc matrix
Learn networking
zinc matrix
I'm in the UK. I would have voted against the copyright directive if I could.
But I like the EU only because in areas unrelated to copyright they're trying to be a better version of the US
sage tendon
Why would you vote against it?
zinc matrix
One not ruled with an entirely unregulated free market and being influenced by fundies
sage tendon
I dont like the fundies to, they prevent market forming
zinc matrix
@sage tendon I hate that culture is being used only to profit. Take Disney for example
sage tendon
But with malta selling EU passports, that wont change anymore
zinc matrix
Buying up all culture they can find and using it only to make them grow further to a monopoly
sage tendon
Thats the first good argument i heard for being against it
But can culteral stuff really be copyrighted?
zinc matrix
they can if they try really hard enough, like with the phrase hakuna matata
why do we all complain about a show's creative direction? Profit. Even if stuff like political correctness or lack thereof were not a concern. Source: I follow such a show and I dislike it now for its creative direction
sage tendon
The song yes, just the words (if they are a real language (i honestly never looked it up) that would just be stupid oO
zinc matrix
It's a phrase from Swahili meaning "no trouble"
And apparently it was a thing as per the Guardian and even some obscure paper.
Taylor Swift also tried to trademark some phrases.
People have taken issue to the trademarking of the word "Cyberpunk" as it can also be used to describe the aesthetic and not the game
IP law is a whole bunch of bullshit, honestly.
Trying to endorse folk tales or religious text is a fascist move to me, but there's resistance to trying to profit from them for a reason - market forces are very unpredictable and to put one's culture to the whims of such would be to deny its intrinsic worth and to try and mechanize it.
oh no remco pinged
me
OhNoOoOoOO
cries
zinc matrix
keep copeing
north torrent
People like to think they can own really broad things... which is kind of crazy...
The world is very vast and even in cultures that have never had any contact certain general things pop up all around the world.
zinc matrix
money and a sense of superiority, and the fact that apparently being able to earn money comes as a result of having "desirable characteristics"
policing someone's actions is probably one of those characteristics but it shouldn't be a desirable trait
foggy path
I wonder what the hell the epic launcher is doing all the time
it seems to bug out (?) like this a lot recently...
fathom wadi
I noticed that the other day. I was getting network spikes so I did some monitoring and saw that it was Winamp chunking the stream I was listening to and saturating the connection. But as I was there I also noticed that there were constant data streams from the editor, the launcher and the crash reporter. I always knew it was there, but when I saw it I was kind of miffed. Then thought "yeah but it's Epic, they won't be stealing my shit ideas at least" and moved on with my life :p
foggy path
I've noticed that if it does that and I minimize it the "right way" by clicking the minimize button it stops doing that
at least for a moment lol
if you don't minimize it by pressing the minimize button it sits there doing something
I kinda get the feeling it's rendering itself over.. and over.. and over again
that would make sense why it stops doing it when you minimize it
winter zealot
it might be monitorable with wireshark
and if the data coming out of the epic launcher is encrypted... there are other ways to decipher it by looking at what generates the data but I don't think I can talk about it
winter zealot
i don't know what's in the Eula 🙂
foggy path
that is true
inb4 Epic Launcher is the next TikTok 
....the china connection is there
lol
winter zealot
after seeing the walled garden that is EGS I lost all my interest in it
foggy path
I don't mind receiving free games but yeah haven't really used it much otherwise... except to buy Satisfactory
winter zealot
free games are also cool for the kids that are fed up with fortnite bullsht microtransactions yup
alpine fern
smh just build a centrifuge module with the toilet in it so you can have normal gravity enabled while you use it
north torrent
If it is available on Epic Games store I buy it off of Epic Games store, for the sake of the game industry.
Might as well put my money toward a company that actually cares about developers.
winter zealot
Epic only cares about a few selected developers tho... it's an inaccessible walled garden for everyone else mr Mao
i won't argue much about this, but even with a bigger paycut.. steam is doing more for devs than EGS
i wouldn't have said this if things were different, I really wanted to support EGS but they're not going in the right direction for that
funny how #EGS isn't an available room in the discord anymore , how developer friendly is that isn't it ? 😏
north torrent
You won't argue much about this because you don't have any argument at all.
winter zealot
my argument is that it's a better world for everyone with open publishing
winter zealot
and that it's not the platform's job to decide for the customers what they can buy or not, unless when it's about censoring fascism and things like that or course
north torrent
If a platform like Epic Games store just let on every indie game ever, then it would be flooded just like Steam and would not even be worth putting your game on if you are a small indie like me.
north torrent
It is a stores job to decide what it wants to show in a store. Have you never worked in retail? That is exactly what a store is.
winter zealot
dematerialized isn't retail ...
north torrent
I would never waste my time putting a game on Steam. A niche developer like me would just get lost in all the flood of endless indie games.
winter zealot
maybe you're cool with giving away your creative freedom to a store for no reason, but i'm not
north torrent
At least with Epic Games Store I have something I can shoot for. If I can make a game good enough to get Epic's attention, then I can put it on Epic Games Store and people will finally be able to see it.
winter zealot
" the flood of games " is the excuse of people that are bad at making their game stand out ...
winter zealot
I don't want to get tim sweeney's attention, no offense, I want to get my customers attention and I can't do that with a walled garden EGS ...
@foggy path 99% of indie devs complaining with steam yes 😊
foggy path
no I mean 99% of indie devs are probably not very good at marketing because marketing is hard
north torrent
I would rather take my chances with getting a game company like Epic to recognize that my game has merit than hoping that a bunch of gamers see my catchy title on Steam and decide to click on it.
winter zealot
but mr Mao, even if we disagree, I think you're cool and I respect you
tulip orbit
feel the love
north torrent
I respect you, but you have zero argument here.
Lots of good people don't have an argument though, so don't feel bad.
winter zealot
i say things like " ok boomer" but it's not aimed at people of a certain age, it's aimed at ultraliberal peeps trying to pretend the economy is fair
I explained all the arguments mr Mao but you pretend I have none
north torrent
All of your arguments are invalid on this topic.
winter zealot
you say that they're invalid but they're not
and your arguments are things you prefer to do, which is totally fine
tulip orbit
they're not invalid, you just dont agree
winter zealot
yup
north torrent
No, they most certainly are illogical and invalid.
winter zealot
you say so but you can't prove it 😊 your strategy is to place your game on steam and do nothing else, and then wanting to wallgarden everything, I just don't think that it'd work
north torrent
I would never put my game on Steam.
tulip orbit
you know whats really invalid? All my pointers in c++
north torrent
Not unless they greatly lower how much they take or offer something to make it worth 30%.
winter zealot
it's better to make 30% of a lot than 5% of much less and only when tim sweeney will have agreed that you do ...
north torrent
It isn't worth something if you are lost in a flood of other indie games, Mr. Zomg.
winter zealot
EGS being a walled garden is what trump supporters would want
foggy path
then you also pay nothing because you're not making anything :D
winter zealot
adventure games are popular, you make an adventure game... the marketing guy at epic says " nah... we have enough adventure games "... then you can't do anything
woah, what a savings
north torrent
Mr. Pillows just doesn't understand what retail is. Must be a rich kid who didn't have to work retail when he was younger.
winter zealot
i'm as enthusiast for the 5% of EGS as alan rickman is in galaxy quest basically....
foggy path
it's an interesting topic but I'm glad the conversation is going into the usual direction of personal attacks
north torrent
It isn't like Epic Games store controls the market. It is one store. If they don't like your game you can go put it on Itch.io or Steam or something else that doesn't have standards.
winter zealot
i'm a rich kid because I disagree with your vision of what retail should be ?
the economical model you want is enforcing the big corporations you criticize in your other arguments
north torrent
If you want to say things like "EGS being a walled garden is what trump supporters would want" then we can 100% turn this into personal attacks.
winter zealot
it's in no way a personal attack, donald trump wants a wall around the US, EGS has a wall around it's games
it's the exact same political program or buisness model, and it sucks
foggy path
it's a pretty disingenious comparison though
winter zealot
it is a valid comparision though
winter zealot
it is really that.... you can see it's a wall in both cases right ?
i mean, I didn't invent it did i ?
tulip orbit
comparing anything/anybody to trump is just plain rude to whatever you're comparing him to
foggy path
you could literally have compared it to anything with a wall but you chose the one thing which is most likely to cause a kneejerk reaction
north torrent
I don't think I can really respect you after making that comment, so this conversation is over.
I truly hope I do not see you on this Discord server again.
foggy path
let's not pretend like you're not being a jerk either Mao lol
winter zealot
feel free to change your mind and disagree with the EGS buisness model mr Mao ... I'll be happily waiting to keep talking with you then
@foggy path okay, i'm gonna explain another time in a much simpler way so people can understand i'm not doing personal attacks 😏
north torrent
I'm out, if the moderators want to give me a warning for being a jerk then go right ahead, I won't argue. I'll see the rest of you guys later today when pillows is gone.
winter zealot
" trump want wall around US " " EGS wants wall around EGS "
s.a.m.e p.r.o.c.e.s.s
and I hate it
alpine fern
perfect smooth brain logic
tulip orbit
except EGS is a private store, that they have every right to run it the way they want. But US is a nation that is supposed to be a democracy and full of freedom, and is full of millions of individuals who want to live their life their way
winter zealot
but in both cases it's a structure that is affecting the lives of those using it
and in both cases, the owners choose to limit access to only a privileged few
it's not too hard to comprehend is it ?
tulip orbit
I can choose not to use the EGS, with very little impact on me. If I lived in the US, it's a lot harder to stop living in the US
alpine fern
how EGS operates isn't affecting your life in any way other than "yes my life would be better if epic gave me 1 million dollars for no reason"
foggy path
yeah except one wall has children separated from their parents and put in cages, the other one stops a game developer from selling their game
winter zealot
if EGS becomes more mainstream it might become a problem
this is why I hope it's not going to grow
foggy path
it's the most flamebaity comparison you could have come up with
you could have compared it to the Berlin wall
and it would have been less flamebaity
lol
winter zealot
indeed, currently i'm happy that EGS isn't much of an issue but I hope it will remain that way
and the only argument to say that the trumpwall and EGS curation are not both just that... " a wall " is the difference and size of usage of EGS and a country
and the disdain I have for the people having made EGS is immense btw ...
in terms of software, buisness model ...
fathom wadi
Did you know the EGS exists to appropriate back the sovereignty of game distribution to the developer because there was a severe lack of it previously? In that sense, you are opposed to the potential of your allies. Unless you work for Steam/Origins/UPlay of course :p
alpine fern
there are plenty of actually sensible arguments you could make against EGS
for example, you could argue that the free games every week are devaluing games as a whole
but not this nonsense
winter zealot
@fathom wadi what a fecking joke 😄 you're very funny 😊
fathom wadi
im not joking
winter zealot
so EGS is improving indie devs life by only working with a selected few of them ?
it's really a joke
fathom wadi
I mean the long term potential is what we are talking here right?
winter zealot
... no ?
fathom wadi
oh
winter zealot
a platform is open access or is not, I can publish on it or not
EGS doesn't even allow indie devs to both ship on steam and EGS
fathom wadi
does it not?
winter zealot
when you listen to the worse dictators, they always have the best of intents
so sure, in this case it's " EGS existing to appropriate back the sovereignty of game distribution to the developers " as you say
fathom wadi
thats the long term goal but its not just Epic who need to step up
winter zealot
but of course, EGS doesn't allow indie devs to publish on steam and only work with the few 1% of indie devs
@fathom wadi of course 😄
fathom wadi
well I would have to fact check that. Not saying you are wrong. I just don't genuinely know the legalities of different contracts yet
winter zealot
i will absolutely take back what i've said if a) I was wrong or b) if it changes
fathom wadi
I can see exclusivity deals being made. But those come with rewards. So its a choice in that respect. But if you were forced to choose either, then I would see that as an issue even in the early years of model building
alpine fern
it's not true
for example, this launched on EGS and steam at the same time https://twitter.com/PlayPrimordials/status/1270742473011167232
winter zealot
I've read something where the dev wasn't allowed to simship
glad to see this has changed tho
alpine fern
maybe they've changed their mind
winter zealot
one sec, i'm digging back what i've read too
it's in this youtube video at 2:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzAu_WbgeY the lower part of the blue text selection box
I guess it was just because they wanted an exclusivity deal but they didn't even accept to cancel this deal and simply allow him to publish both on EGS and steam ... because they're EGS and they choose the rules, not the devs
winter zealot
they want to make money 😊
alpine fern
obviously
winter zealot
and using the "indie devs" to that end, in a way that only suits them and with a complete disregard for anyone they don't work with
alpine fern
just like any other business
fathom wadi
some of them do. some want to change things
winter zealot
it just disgusts me that people just accept EGS to select what they publish and let go of their own publishing freedom
suuch pandering to big corporations, not an ounce of vertebral spine or dignity
really like the infant being tricked into accepting an orange if giving back his 500$ dollar bill ....
fathom wadi
depends on the marketing plans and potential if you ask me. Everyone goes to steam for the pure numbers. You have to. If there were competition, you could go elsewhere. The platform is irrelevant. Even if you host it yourself. It's how many can the platform sell you on average that counts.
winter zealot
that's why I think usually, when people give grand talks about "freedom" and "buisness" to me it sounds like a joke
alpine fern
the only one talking about freedom is you though
winter zealot
it's a gamedev thing Zeblote, don't mind it. some people need some freedom to make buisnesses
anyway dudes i'd better go because this might turn into another arguments
fathom wadi
I would totally distribute a game from a website if I could drive traffic to my website tbh. That's all steam / egs is to me. A glorified host with a cpl of socket services. Still. Comes in handy eh
winter zealot
I kind of wanna keep a positive image of you and not see you try to justify your rights being taken away 😊
alpine fern
for your own business it would obviously be better to be part of a walled garden than an open store no one finds it in
the only trick is getting in...
winter zealot
don't worry Zeblote, don't worry 😊
alpine fern
maybe one day, my stuff will be worthy of being on EGS. that would be nice
fathom wadi
pfft. You could put together free assets worthy of any store
winter zealot
it's not about quality but what's being choosen by EGS...
lots of EGS games are selected based on the trailer .. that's how lots of exclusivities are picked
they're fooling devs into thinking it's about quality... and they're falling for it !
it's so much about quality indeed that user reviews of games were disabled on EGS for a time if I recall
fathom wadi
Speaking of which, Oculus refused access to the store for a game I worked on and never gave a reason. Even stated no further communication on the issue. That was after supporting the game for over a year with hardware and a liason. It was probably due to being a no-budget, solo indie dev project. Or it could have been that the game was buggy or something. But they never said why. If thats the practice before EGS, it can only get better right?
no but the sales are surely affected by them
the individual reviews dont matter, the general mixed/neg/pos part can break a game
winter zealot
Marc_Rogerson just use steam and make an early access version of it
fathom wadi
turns out people only want very positive feedback
@winter zealot it was released on steam. But that's besides the point. The game was made for Oculus, to be an early entry on the store, with support of Oculus. Only to have the rug pulled last minute for whatever reason.
winter zealot
Marc yeah that's the curated store buisness model
they can do what they want regardless of who it hurts(tm)
fathom wadi
I used to joke that it was because Eve Valkyrie came with the Rift and that was similar (but better quality/budget)
winter zealot
I fear that this is going to hurt game developers a lot
fathom wadi
I mean, its just that reliance on any platform kills development. Not only strangleholds the indie devs who spend years on a product, but also gives a climate of fear that such things might happen. I have hope for EGS but then im also a cynic
winter zealot
to be very honest, I'd be the happiest that EGS just allows publishing for everyone, I'd take back what i've said and it'd be great
but they don't seem to want to do that, even now that they're much more established
fathom wadi
steam tried that. ended up with a load of crap. I'd prefer a systematic quality assurance layer before the store. Even if it limits the number of releases per month
winter zealot
it's baffling that Tim Sweeney even dares to criticize the apple appstore while even the apple appstore does ten orders of magnitude more for indie devs than EGS could ever hope to do in it's current form
winter zealot
urgh 🤦
alpine fern
good luck making any money selling things on the app store...
winter zealot
science says that more people are making more money with IOS compared to EGS 🙂
alpine fern
I'm not aware of any recent indie success on the app store
winter zealot
the child labor tho .... seriously ?
alpine fern
99% of all revenue passing through the app store is going to megacorps running microtransaction simulators
fathom wadi
the cult of advertised personality is strong with IOS. I barely trusted it when Steve Jobs was alive, but now he's gone, not a chance my cynical approach could take a step back on that one 😄
winter zealot
there are a lot of small indie games on IOS , just that they don't make the headlines
it's pathetic how even IOS is better than EGS isn't it ?
fathom wadi
why? they have had many years and innovations to decide how to do it
EGS has no real reason to be ahead of the game yet
winter zealot
no need for facebook proverbs with black and white photos of albert einstein to explain the buisness model : the buisness model is " dude uploads game, game is played " and that is all
@fathom wadi 😄 the first iteration of IOS was already better than EGS is now because everyone could make games for it
fathom wadi
ahh the first iteration. You mean the 20th by the time it got to factory, and the years worth of UI pioneering that Apple had done previously?
winter zealot
nono, I mean the first iphone with IOS and the appstore
not saying it was great, i'm saying it was better
anyway i'm going but i might quickly come back to clarify if there are EGS fake news 😉
fathom wadi
well give it time and have hope. We're all in this toget....ooh a lootbox
winter zealot
sure, i'm just hopping I haven't upset mr Mao too much, he's a good guy that I respect
rich quiver
the pc market went down not up with the egs added to bunch of pc stores
foggy path
of course the first iteration of iOS was better because it was based on iPhone OS :P
and the first iteration of iPhone OS... did not support apps.
winter zealot
from the appstore wikipedia page...
foggy path
Apple released an SDK on March 6, 2008, allowing developers to create the apps that would be available starting in iPhone OS version 2.0
Plus the original iPhone only supported web apps so there was quite a fair bit of limitations
or rather they effectively ran in a web browser although they were apps in the sense that you can install them on the phone
Oh yeah, and although technically anyone can make apps for iOS, you effectively must have a Mac, because the dev stack only exists for Mac....
winter zealot
so it was the second iteration and not the first, big deal
and yeah IOS is pretty lame and expensive, but even that is better than EGS because at least there's a legit chance to publish for it
that was the only thing I was saying, I wasn't aware of the child labor related to apple products tho... that's terrible
it's not exactly like I can happily choose and pick where I publish my games you know, I do with what I can work with
zinc matrix
FFS... why you broke github again Karol?
zinc matrix
its ovr
@zinc matrix why you even use github
you into this open sauce thing
instead of releasing the product
huh
pearl elk
I have to open sauce to put it on my sausage roll
zinc matrix
so you can make private repository
but its not necessary
why bother my man?
why do u need repo
at all
pearl elk
Pop quiz hotshot... Name a movie with atleast 2 Baldwin brothers in it
pearl elk
bwahaha these gifs man, who comes up with this
Facebook gonna have to start filtering em for racism and hate speech 😛
pearl elk
says the lounge spider
zinc matrix
LOL
pearl elk
anyways Born of the 4th of July was the answer you were lookin for
thankfully there wasnt a bomb on the bus
zinc matrix
what
pearl elk
Entertainment is about more than product, its my life
Pop quiz hotshot is a quote, Dennis Hopper in Speed
zinc matrix
entertainment is about just the right coffee dose
pearl elk
Thats cute, you still drink caffeine
pearl elk
I dont need anything to enjoy my day except for the fact Im alive
Okay heres an easier question for everyone, favourite movie Directors go
sage tendon
Jon Favreau
zinc matrix
come on bro he didnt deserve it
https://i.imgur.com/lhn063Y.jpg whats wrong with his legs
pearl elk
Maybe youre the one with the problem, looks fine to me
pearl elk
There is no spoon! Then you'll see its not the spoon that bends only yourself
zinc matrix
https://i.imgur.com/PPvTRRN.png is there better way to write this
pearl elk
You cant even spell so Im not convinced
zinc matrix
lets digitize other things
MuHaHaHAHA
inb4 penis fights mmo
it would be so weird
pearl elk
Ive never met an Italian plumber
plenty of Italian brickies though
they must be the ones who hide all those mushrooms and flowers
I did have a laugh about these Italian plumbers at Mc Cafe tho 😛
zinc matrix
brothers
pearl elk
Its the cast of the new diverse Mario universe
zinc matrix
EAEAEAEAEAEAEAE
BE CAREFULLL
or total destroy topkek
i win u all
@pearl elk hows your game?
pearl elk
I have other things I have to work on right now, sucks but I'll get back to it when I start my Diploma of Project Management 🙂
fathom wadi
@pearl elk only 4? Slacker !
full rock
hi
Hi guys , I am Rays - a roblox game developer... i have an amazing game idea , i have full story and i want to make a awesome game on that... People say me its not a Roblox type of game and i shd make it in unreal engine but i am not capable to make a big game... i am here to search for a guys who would like to buy my story and ideas..Anyone ??
pearl elk
@fathom wadi 4?
fathom wadi
I dont know why I read that you have 4 things. My eyes have been playing up on me recent
I need reading glasses I think
@full rock there is a queue for what you propose. Just stand behind the other million people with a good idea and want to sell it.
full rock
wdym @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
the game industry is not short of ideas
full rock
no one have this idea which i have... u listen it = u like it
pearl elk
Nah I dont wear em, what size bruh you wear?
full rock
bye
fathom wadi
yeah you just broke the one rule of this channel @full rock Dont piss me off
shits on ray
fathom wadi
Coconut Lizard just sold for £2.7m. I need to step up my employment game.
full rock
@fathom wadi what work u do bro ...?
tulip orbit
hax
warm sky
Is this a helpful discord if I came is with super basic, super newcomer questions? Like "baby's first Unreal" type stuff? Because I'm trying to get started and excited, but am getting tripped up by the most embarrassingly simple things I can't find easy answers for online
fathom wadi
the only steam badge that matters
@warm sky its not easy at first but it gets a lot easier real quick.
tulip orbit
@warm sky sometimes its helpful, sometimes its not 🙂
warm sky
aye thanks man, thats what i was hoping for
pearl elk
I got ~15k points lol, I could get the gold profile for 30days woohoo
warm sky
i dont mind putting in super long hours to learn it, its just sometimes i feel like when i look up "how to's" i'm asking the wrong questions
pearl elk
I only got 14yrs, steam was a buggy POS those early years lol
warm sky
like, super simple one, I need to create a room thats 768x by 1024x. that should be SUPER simple, but i can't seem to find anything thats not like, just telling me to rescale
fathom wadi
@pearl elk indeed. Beta was really good, but when it went live, all my apps took a performance hit whilst it was loaded up. I still to this day, switch off 99% of apps that load up on startup because of getting into the habit due to steam.
tulip orbit
atleast it looked great back then 😄 https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/11BPT0S-nWaNYIFTetb427xF5jk=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8499905/cedegahtml.png
pearl elk
lol I have 9 pages of cards in my inventory, got bored of messin with em
ancient hornet
sell them all for $0.1 each and buy a game with the money!
pearl elk
steam needs an autogetmebestprice
fathom wadi
@tulip orbit I had a flash app called CS-Elements that let you create/store/share tactics for counterstrike. So I had this idea about making it work for other games in a similar way, and distributing it via "Steemu", which was a clone app of Steam. But I ditched the project before it went to sale and moved on with making some cash (life getting in the way).
my program kept the original CS artwork (although I could have set it up to modify it with templates). I always preferred it.
zinc matrix
keep copeing monso
fathom wadi
I mean, it's hard to keep up with defending EGS and the Launcher when the launcher runs like a 1 legged dog at best. I sometimes dread opening my library tab....
plucky pagoda
I was excited about the tags, but they don't really work and you can't add/edit your own. You can't rely on them in their current state.
You can at least turn off the game store to cut down on some of the sluggishness though
fathom wadi
they added categories and I still couldn't find what I was looking for. Maybe not a major issue but one worth fixing later. Its the little things that will make people turn around their opinion on the store. Same thing happened with steam and the rest of the storefronts. They all went through community hate for a while.
plucky pagoda
I tried to use them a few times but not every asset that should show up in a catagory would. I'm glad to see them start on it though.
yeah, Steam sucked when it first came out. I hated using it. I still hate the DRM it has.
Unity store sucked too.
fathom wadi
UPlay once let me sign up, order, then download the games and play them for 2 weeks, then said the payment was reversed. So I tried to pay it again and it wouldn't let me. So I lost all that time and progress in my games. Now I just buy them seperate :/
Xbox game pass for PC tho has been spot on except for the file permission malarky
plucky pagoda
I've got an insane amount of games on steam at this point. If I could though I'd move them somewhere else. It seems like every indie game i've bought over the last decade has given free steam keys eventually
Oh man yeah. The only complaint i have about XGP it is the difficulty of family sharing.
But I've got like 4 years or something prepaid for it
they still have the same deal too. If you go ahead and max prepay your live then you can pay $1 and convert it all to XGP ultimate and they add a month. Use to be like 3 months though.
half the time I want to check out a game XGP has it
PS Now also lets you stream your games on PC but it doesn't work as well as XGP. I like that XGP lets you install everything not just some titles.
tulip orbit
Yay, EGL crashed while cloning my project... guess I'll do it manually
uncut otter
If someone asked you to go on the Home Team, which would you choose - 🟠 Orange, or 🔵 Blue. Asking for a friend.
😄
deep glen
sage tendon
So game industry became like any other?
quiet narwhal
so lets say someone wanted to do something stupid and make a 3rd gen Threadripper machine, using the 3970 or 3990. Lets say they wanted it to be as silent as possible under full load, no overclocking stock volts and frequency. Would anyone have a recommendation on the cooling system (prefer OOB not custom) as well as a solid motherboard for this endeavor?
mossy nexus
What features on the MOBO? What's the "Must have" and the "Would like" lists? 🙂
quiet narwhal
works well, 4 sticks of memory is probably enough. besides that nothing really. nice to have would be more than 1 x16 full bandwith PCIE slot so I dont have to have the GPU next to the CPU in the top slot.
I really like how well the 3950 performs so I am toying with the idea of a full "fuck you ue4" threadripper machine but I am hoping I can get it to as near silent as possible under full load and I dont even know how possible that is yet. I know some people in here have a TR so cant hurt to get info 🙂
mossy nexus
No specific NVMe m.2 requirements?
ebon onyx
I have a 3970 and it's quiet under load, with a noctua cooler on it.
quiet narwhal
not really, only using 1 right now and I doubt any TR board would have 0 lol
ebon onyx
It just barely keeps it cool though when under a full load, it would not stand up to any sort of overclock in the least.
quiet narwhal
any idea what temps you get up to under full load, cpu only and cpu/gpu?
ebon onyx
And it will throttle a tiny bit. But for me since I can hear any fan noise from my bedroom, it's worth it
CPU only 93, CPU/GPU full load is literally not a thing that I find ever happens with a CPU like this. There is no workload that can do that.
quiet narwhal
I've got a DH15 on this 3950 and it works well just I think my case might be hindering it from getting to proper airflow
ebon onyx
But working against it, the back of my computer is against my desk so it doesn't have the best airflow on the way out
Also warning: This cooler is massive and may not even fit in many cases
quiet narwhal
yep it looks like a single fin dh15 which doesnt fit in my case properly. I have to squeeze one of the fans down between ram lol
mossy nexus
There are a couple of Corsair ones that have a heat block for the TRs and are reasonably priced - max 30db I think.
quiet narwhal
I will have to check that one out some more @ebon onyx 🙂
ebon onyx
Note: You can make this cooler run better of course if you slap a second fan onto it, it includes brackets for two but only has one fan by default
quiet narwhal
my exhaust right now is super hot and loud, only one fan and its a DC fan not PWM. I can keep screwing with what I have or just do it right and I am leaning towards just making a new machine right lol
ebon onyx
Fan noise is the whole reason I went with air cooling this time around. My last desktop was water cooled with 4 fans on the radiator and it was horrible, I hated it
quiet narwhal
yep I prefer air, and I love this dh15. Replaced my front intake with 2 more noctua but that still leaves 3 more DC non quiet fans in the case and I am just like ugh... plus one fan on the heatsink is pushed down into the ram slots nudged up against 1 stick and ugh
do it right, get a wider case and get one where I can mount the CPU properly with 4 sticks of ram. etc.
find a MB with a 2nd pcie slot that can do full x16 and not be next to the cpu fan
etc. etc.. a dream build lol
@ebon onyx have you compiled UE4 source on that machine?
ebon onyx
No, I haven't used UE4 in almost 8 months now.
All my time working is spent in another engine
And then for personal projects I'm just messing with offline rendering
quiet narwhal
poop. trying to see if it's a linear decrease in time due to core count
ebon onyx
From what I understand, only if you have enough ram to support that
quiet narwhal
yep that's the second issue, 64 cores is alot to feed
ebon onyx
I wouldn't call it an issue
mossy nexus
You're looking at 256GiB RAM
quiet narwhal
yep thats the questions. 1gb per thread or per core or? I mean I don't hit near that 1/1 ratio doing UE4 compiles right now
undone wharf
I wouldn't call it an issue
@ebon onyx You Flexing on us??
quiet narwhal
I have 64gb of 2400 memory that I swapped out for 32gb of 3200 and that has been good for all but 1 experiment so far (10k foliage at 8k texture resolution trying to build a lightmap)
undone wharf
i just have 16GB
ebon onyx
If you're making this choice for lightmaps, don't. First, GPULightmass is becoming a thing in the next few versions easily, so system ram won't impact that in the least, that's all vram driven. And second, UE5 is dynamic GI anyway.
undone wharf
that's like 16x16GB
mossy nexus
Is it just UE4 being used or are you using any DCC's etc?
quiet narwhal
oh I am not making it for lightmaps, its just that was the only time 32gb was ever a bottleneck for me
ugh... doing UE4 compile and actually watching it and some of these threads are hitting near 2gb of ram usage 😦
ebon onyx
On my old PC, even 64gb wasn't nearly enough when I was processing programmetry assets. And when I tried Blender, since Cycles is entirely unoptimized, not even 256gb of ram was enough to do basic tasks you would expect out of offline rendering.
So it all depends on what you plan on using it for.
undone wharf
true, depends on what you doing
quiet narwhal
yeah most of these compile threads are nearing a gig so yeah 1gb/thread is probably smart at the minimum.
ebon onyx
If you're dropping $4,000 on a CPU, you can afford $1,400 on RAM.
quiet narwhal
also /FU to windows defender causing an issue when VS tries to compile lol
undone wharf
you guys have quite powerful H/W
quiet narwhal
oh yeah it's not the cost its more of the motherboard and limits and such. having to drive 8 slots of ram at 1.35v VS 4 slots, having to go with 32GB sticks vs 16GB. etc.
ebon onyx
Yeah, because my time is worth more than the cost to buy the hardware.
quiet narwhal
when you need to test changes and the codebase takes 60 minutes vs 40 vs 20 vs 10 vs 7 its matters
ebon onyx
That's the only determining factor, really. At what point does it become more expensive for you to sit around waiting than to just buy faster stuff.
quiet narwhal
even multitasking while compiling having more cores has helped keep the rest of the machine usable as a side benefit
ebon onyx
Hell, I'm even looking at hooking up a second threadripper for network rendering right now.
quiet narwhal
I guess I could just always use headphones and crank up the fan speed 😛
undone wharf
well my project doesn't demand that much resources
so i hardly ever hit 15GB
BTW @ebon onyx what do you use for source control in blender?
mossy nexus
I've had Blender at 30GiB out of 32
ebon onyx
A NAS with 30TB of usable storage.
undone wharf
I've had Blender at 30GiB out of 32
@mossy nexus you render a lot?
mossy nexus
Not really.
undone wharf
oh ok
dim ruin
The calls to OnConstruction are weird. When you edit a property on an actor (in-editor) it calls OnConstruction, then PostEditChangeProperty, then OnConstruction again.
When you place an Actor in a scene in-editor, it calls OnConstruction twice in a row
undone wharf
undone wharf
wut?
halcyon lake
As soon as I post anything to #blueprint:
foggy path
Not much you can do :p
Probably best to just restate your question a bit later if it looks like it's getting buried with no one answering it
mild root
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bronze axle
Well, someone finally did it. I found a repo on Github with a Perforce trigger that works with Discord webhooks. Super easy set up, clear instructions, and it works great.