Well, and we can afford to :)
#lounge
proven thorn
pearl elk
Nice not having a CEO draining 30mil for their pocket I suppose 🙂
proven thorn
Hah yeah...
pearl elk
I'll have to check it out, I dont think Ive had a go at Depth for awhile, probably heaps of new stuff I havent seen
pearl elk
Yeah you been on the UE3 train for awhile hehe, UE4 has come a long way since those early versions though. Ive been waiting on Niagara for the longest time, not that Cascade was bad but I kinda needed a few forward looking features
proven thorn
I have been using UE4 for a long time, just mostly other companies games vs our own
pearl elk
the API has certainly improved, Im much more comfortable with the C++ now
Worked on anything interesting or cant talk about it?
proven thorn
Did some stuff for Maneater
pearl elk
I knew it lol, I figured cuz there was a connection to Tripwire 🙂
proven thorn
Yup
pearl elk
Sounds like it could be interesting, Im guessing its similar to Deceit where you have to keep your true nature hidden
pearl elk
I tend to be really bad at that sort of stealth stuff, I always give myself away too easy. Im a super bad spy in TF2 lol
proven thorn
Well, it is much more about the social meta of the game
And there's lots of good reasons to do what looks like bad things
You just got to be good at reasoning your way out.
oblique trellis
reminds me abit of that show the terror which was really cool
proven thorn
It is 100% based on that. Good spottng.
pearl elk
I was getting abit of The Thing vibe, especially combined with the fact you cant trust your crew
proven thorn
Our characters will have the most glorious mutton chops.
The Thing is cool, except most people don't know they are The Thing.
It was only at the end of the movie where that guy knew he was the The Thing
pearl elk
Yeah its pretty ambiguous, open to some interpretation forsure
proven thorn
In this game the traitors only goal is to stop the survivors from leaving the Arctic on the boat before the blizzard
There have been some hilarious solutions.
One guy managed to hijack the whole ship and traveled quite far away.
But he very quickly ran out of fuel which allowed the survivors to catch up and then exact revenge
oblique trellis
the show really made you feel like you were in the environment with them
proven thorn
Yeah, the time period etc is all based on that
So we have old timey flint lock pistols and muskets
pearl elk
The shows on my list to watch, will have to bump it and check it out, quite highly rated it seems
Certainly abit of a different direction for Dan Simmons, Ive read Hyperion and its probably the furthest thing from The Terror as I can think of lol
proven thorn
Off to bed. Have a good one Mons and Warp
pearl elk
Take it easy 🙂
so I had this really cool news this week 🙂
Theyre trying to get more tech interest here because we host the national space agency now
oblique trellis
pitch a game to them about pensioners on holidays contemplating their lives
pearl elk
lol so a game about Victor Habor then
oblique trellis
or snowtown the game
pearl elk
I dont think I need to even apply since its not a grant program, I think I just register and then I can get the rebate at tax time
But it only covers work done in the state from what I understand, it wont cover outsourcing
oblique trellis
yeah it says its a 10 percent rebate
pearl elk
Great for me since I can rebate the business on my own wages hehe
I have been considering a project set in Australian colonial times more lately but I have other things on the books atm
oblique trellis
crazy doctors of the goldrush would be cool
pearl elk
We have alot of things which would make a game from that era pretty unique, show how rough it was in those conditions too.
Im abit tired of seeing movies set in these historic settings and everyone is bleached clean like they been doused in modern disinfectants
oblique trellis
an old style game about being a hangman could be fun with rope physics....they often botched hangings alot
pearl elk
lol make it a hangman game 😛
spelling bees are life and death, see kids
Thankfully this rebate doesnt have any requirements of cultural significance like some of the grant programs have.
Id love to go to Screen SA or Australia and say hey look I got this idea but they all require some decent actors and mocap too much money.
They still tend to see games as a childish artform, serious games are too risky because of the big budgets
oblique trellis
you could do a prison isle survival game which features the landscape, if you limited the scope by doing a smaller island and made the landscape the story as well like having to eat mushrooms that make you hallucinate to survive rather than using many human actors...still alot of assets to make though
foggy path
that could be a funny game mechanic actually
you have to eat shrooms to talk to the beings that live in the other dimension
I've read that many folks who take psychedelics report meeting some kind of beings
pearl elk
My last project which I shelved was about an alien seed crashing in the outback, its an investigation game with some combat sections but I needed a host of townsfolk and associated dialog.
I couldnt just get any actors they would need to be able to do the outback "ocker" accent
I just couldnt justify the costs and work out a way of doing the dialog sections cheapish, even if I had lower detail characters, not photograms its still cost prohibitive for an indie
I really didnt want to sacrifice artistic integrity and go 2d so I just bleh, on the shelf
foggy path
Couldn't do a basic version without voices?
pearl elk
Oh I could certainly prototype it up, we had alot of the games systems done except for the dialog. I coulda easily just used some 2d southpark style cut outs and text but theres still no way to raise the required funds no matter how hard I tried
foggy path
ah
pearl elk
I woulda had to give away creative control cuz its an unproven IP
foggy path
my friends working on our game project were just talking about going to ask random people on the street if they wanna be in a game lol
I suspect they might not get a lot of good responses tbh
pearl elk
I considered asking family and friends but they dont know how to act period correct, well some would be better actors than others and for a game which focuses on story acting is kinda important
north torrent
Just play every character yourself.
pearl elk
every woman you encounter has a beard, that could work
north torrent
Sounds like a good hook for a game.
pearl elk
I had a cast of roughly 20 but I knew it would grow, there was a heap of dialog, too much. Its a shame because I feel like the project is really innovative but perhaps before its time. Maybe I'll get a chance once I made somethin that sells well 🙂
The problem isnt just english dialog either, consider the localisation costs
If I tried to release it to just an English speaking audience Im really hurting my chances to reach a broader audience
foggy path
If I need voices in my game I'll just use an AI to generate it... or maybe a really clunky speech synthesiser
pearl elk
I could have just ignored facial animations all together and done speech bubbles in 3d lol
north torrent
That's why I only have 6 voice acted character, two of which are acted by me.
So that is 4 voice actors I need to pay. Only one of which the quality of the game really depends on... So half the budget goes to 1 of those voice actors and the other half is split between the other 3...
Unless I just get lucky and find a good quality voice actor for cheap.
pearl elk
classy stuff
Ive started to notice the same voice actors in US made games popping up alot
north torrent
But for the prototype I just voice act every character no matter how silly it sounds. Lets me test things.
oblique trellis
just have the characters speak in memes
pearl elk
Its like wait a sec youre in Valorant, wernt you in Uncharted and Borderlands 3 as well 😛
must be a union thing, or a non-union thing
north torrent
I don't have the budget to hire big name voice actors.
pearl elk
I did have a small list of actors I woulda liked to have
north torrent
Just gotta pay enough for them to not be totally terrible.
There is only one voice actor I would want to hire specifically if I had a large budget.
pearl elk
Hugh Jackman, Sam Neil, Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett, Geoffrey Rush... Dont think I was aiming too high 😛
north torrent
I don't mean that big of a name...
pearl elk
thing is locally our TV drama actors are quite high budget too, even people who do bit parts
foggy path
I wonder if Hoff would be expensive
pearl elk
hiring him for a birthday party?
I hear you get a discount if you buy the cake for him to jump out of
foggy path
lol
we were actually sort of semi-seriously considering getting Danny Trejo for our dumb project because my friend had heard he appears in student films for 100 bucks
so if we just have him say one stupid line or something he might not be that expensive lol
pearl elk
I think he'd just be thankful you arnt asking him to sell tacos
sage tendon
i loved the Danny Trejo scene in Breaking Bad where he rides a turtle
pearl elk
Speaking of Australian actors I had no idea that Ragnar Lothbrok from Vikings was Aussie until he was in that war movie umm
Danger Close
sage tendon
Sharknado: Sharks In Space vs Machete
pearl elk
I know one actor I might be able to afford Daniel MacPherson 😛
he seems to do his own stunts too so thats a bonus
north torrent
You make your voice actors do stunts?
pearl elk
yup, Australian language is pretty tricky
dont want to pull your tongue muscle
but seriously, I could use him for the military parts. He clearly has some training for his role on Strike Back
Cheaper than Keanu 🙂
north torrent
Pretty sure Keanu is free.
pearl elk
He's breathtaking, not sure about free
that said, MacPherson is an actual Ironman
Would be cool to see some of these big companies use these big name actors more often but I guess it eats too much into their profits. I know BF1 had some pretty amazing talent in it, perhaps abit under used
Its one thing Ive been considering lately, they say the games industry makes more money and music and movies combined but does it really take those same risks. Movies spend heaps on props, sets, actors etc
this guy was pretty decent in BF1, slightly underused though
north torrent
I find big name actors voicing game characters to be more distracting than a benefit for the game.
pearl elk
Its not just about voicing though, you can do mocap as well. Going the route of having 3 people for every 1 character is super expensive
Im honestly not sure how Square Enix do it tbh
So you have the actor for the model, the actor for the voice and the actor for the... acting
north torrent
Usually the face capture is taken from the voice actor if that's the rout they go.
pearl elk
The way I would do it is have the actors do all three, I mean why not if you have their time already and it can make the performance more convincing if they are delivering the lines during the action. Voice overs tend to get this layer of separation to the point it becomes an art unto itself
I agree that simply having a great actor as a voice actor doesnt just work
but what do voice actors know about real acting if theyve never had a chance to play those roles 🙂
A good example Claudia Black, the reason why shes so great in Uncharted is because of her time on Farscape, no doubts about it
hehe Aussies are taking over the world
tulip orbit
😱
craggy matrix
Good morning, I hope I found the right chat to post this in. I have some questions about starting your first project. There are so many things to do I have no clue where to start. A lot of items look like they need assets for blueprints to work. I am just looking for a bit of direction on what is best for a beginner to start with... Thank you ^_^;;
pearl elk
What is it you would like to do?
craggy matrix
The game concept is to run around and explore as an animal
I would like to be able to blueprint the movements of the animal and build the small world they run around
pearl elk
Sounds very achievable so thats a great start 🙂 For a start you can use the Character blueprint and use an animal skeleton mesh instead of a human. It does depend on what sorts of mechanics though, some animals will require more consideration than others. A simple quadruped should be fine done this way. There are some free animal assets on the UE4 Marketplace in the permanently free collection, the main thing you would be looking to do is make your own Animation Blueprint.
craggy matrix
Okay, thank you! I will check out the asset store and start on the animation blueprint. I appreciate your help ^_^
pearl elk
If you need any help with specific things we have the channels, its best to ask questions in those 🙂
zinc matrix
HELL YES
craggy matrix
That's kind of what I understood. I just had to post this here since its very nonspecific and I have not started anything yet
pearl elk
Cool stuff! Yeah we do get alot of questions about starting out in here, I still havent come up with a response which works for everyone. Start at the beginning doesnt really help hehe
craggy matrix
Sometimes just talking it out helps too...there's only so much you can learn from youtube and thinking about your own ideas XD
pearl elk
The amount of times people type up a big post about something not working just for a few minutes later, oh I got it hehe
craggy matrix
That means that this was a great place to find then ~
pearl elk
Yup, lots of experienced UE4 developers around 🙂
craggy matrix
How long have you been using u4?
pearl elk
UE4, Id like to say since the beginning but I wasnt privvy to the svogi builds but pretty close. Cant remember exactly when it was released, I think maybe 5-6 years
Ive been using UE seriously since about 2003, long time
For the peeps who were watching James and I chat earlier, he was one of the first people I met in the UE community all those years ago 🙂
craggy matrix
Oh nice! Have you and James worked together on any projects?
pearl elk
lol surprisingly no we've always been kinda on separate but parallel paths
When I first contacted him I was trying to get him to join a project, I had this idea of making a big open world Cyberpunk coop game in UT2004.
craggy matrix
Was he working on his own project at the time to where he couldn't join?
pearl elk
Yeah he had his own mod for UT2004, he was already an experienced programmer back then, I was still learning. I was very naïve about game production, learnt so much since then 🙂
I do miss the mod community at times but this is much better, having the engine all free and in the open. Its good to see Epic try to get people from different locals together abit more too rather than keeping everyone siloed from each other
craggy matrix
You've got a lot more experience since when you first started ^_^ I'm glad you were able to stick with u4 and continue to be a part to help newcomers like me
pearl elk
Yeah I thought it might be good to know that some of us have known each other for a long time so this community will continue on in a similar fashion for you. Especially now we got UE5 on the horizon, things will just keep evolving and if you stick with it you'll end up being the one answering help questions 😉
So hear that all the new peoples, we want to see you all rich and famous within the decade hehe jk
craggy matrix
New 2021 goals xD
inland oriole
If you give me the money I will be rich, sounds like a deal right? 😂
foggy path
Time to cancel all projects to wait for UE5
craggy matrix
Thom has the right idea, I have been doing it wrong this whole time
pearl elk
I can give you all the money in the world but it wont teach you how to use Unreal Engine 😉
craggy matrix
😩 😆
pearl elk
@foggy path what if I made a game with UE2 hehe
foggy path
Call it retro
pearl elk
360fps on all hardware whooosh
People will complain about the graphics be like, thats 1990s graphics
craggy matrix
Just need to use your imagination to fill in the gaps
pearl elk
but how do I get an imagination 😭
craggy matrix
You can borrow mine. I have too much imagination, not enough motivation XD
pearl elk
Wish I had some motivation to trade but I dont have enough either 🙂
inland oriole
Sounds familiar x)
craggy matrix
What do you specialize in thom?
inland oriole
Currently trying to learn the programming side of Unreal, I'm following a course to hopefully at least get a basic understanding of some things but it's going pretty slow so far. So I'm hoping they will cover some more topics soon.
What about you? I saw your message in #introductions , are you like making models or drawing things, or doing something totally different?
craggy matrix
I unfortunately just am a digital artist for 2D right now. I want to learn to do 3D modeling for games, so I have been taking lessons for that but it will need a lot of practice :P
I like seeing everyone else's work too, its super inspiring and I love learning about other people
inland oriole
Just keep practicing yeah, that will get you a very long way. And I can't agree more on looking at other people their work, it's pretty amazing to see what everyone has created 😄
craggy matrix
I hope to see your work too Thom, it looks like we are both starting off so maybe we can check in every once in a while ^_^
inland oriole
I'll make sure to post some things once I've learned a bit more and have done some more than writing words on a sign haha, looking forward to what you will make as well!
craggy matrix
😀 Sounds great! I will have to check out Mons work too and look around the rooms seeing all the talent ~
median wraith
@pearl elk how are you doing with the game ?
inland oriole
#work-in-progress & #released are the channels I mostly look in to see other people's work, if you haven't spotted those already 😉
median wraith
@pearl elk and where the hell Nigeys go
pearl elk
@median wraith which one lol, my previous project I shelved but the new one is a previously shelved project I dusted off. Im just too busy with my course atm to work on it though
No idea, he has some health issues so perhaps thats come back up again
pearl elk
yeah I wont go into it, I might have said too much already
fathom wadi
@median wraith seen him playing destiny 2 the other day, so he's alive
pearl elk
Probably just busy, it can take abit of time checking in with everyone
fathom wadi
funny story, I have the same issue as him but his is ridiculously worse than mine.
and let me tell you, when its bad, it's awful
median wraith
I know he got issues but didn't know of any hard return this days or so
how are you doing ? @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
so so. Just grinding away but im taking a couple of days off atm because path of exile
pearl elk
Hevedy the ladies man, we know what you been up to hehe
fathom wadi
hows everyone else? workflow moving the right direction I hope
pearl elk
yup my flows been pretty regular lately 😉
median wraith
In my dreams @pearl elk
pearl elk
hey just remember you are living those dreams
median wraith
I was actually fixing things, the whole thing get complex once it gets big
pearl elk
as I like to say, more complex a system the more points of failure
median wraith
yeah wanted it for the portfolio but the time gets over always
some dude sent me a job invitation today, accepted it and then told me nothing welp
pearl elk
youre meant to know your job you see
soft night
hev is now in a job of nothing?
median wraith
I mean he didn't reply me
fathom wadi
a job doing nothing? I didn't know you were into Politics Hev 😄
pearl elk
Late to the test chamber again
soft night
there is game about void also
well doing nothing put eating pringlss
also watching some wwdc20 and be in MR meetup
median wraith
good lord XD why i said anything
placid thistle
So, are bets in for 4.26 not seeing light of day?
median wraith
yeah it will do
patent star
soft night
rich quiver
yes
foggy path
rip.
proud pier
Yo wtf
Mixer shutting down after Ninja went over there and got all that money
lol
I'm just curious as to why MSFT decided to go with FB...lol
rigid shoal
Maybe they just figured that they couldn't take on Twitch by themselves.
Either way, I hope they do well. I dislike Twitch.
proud pier
these fools made a crapton of money
I wouldn't be surprised if we got an announcement on "Epic Streaming"
Ninja signs onboard exclusive
rigid shoal
Shit, Epic Streaming would pay even more than Mixer.
foggy path
Twitch is alright imo, Mixer was just kind of weird
They clearly were trying to be a bit different but not too much
Facebook Gaming? I mean.. who even uses that...
rigid shoal
I don't like Twitch for its content policies and politics, etc.
foggy path
Yeah there's been a couple weird things with them but frankly given the amount of stuff that gets streamed there it seems to be overall pretty good
The only things I can think of are those weird animal abuse related things really which were handled a bit poorly from what I understand
proud pier
Well, the thing is, would Twitch pay for them to come back now
Or are they just going to come back on their own...
Twitch doesn't have to do anything
foggy path
Where else would they go at this point?
foggy path
Such as?
foggy path
well, I doubt they'd want to go on some smaller platform tbh
proud pier
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Depends on what kind of waves they want to make
Their fanbase will likely follow
foggy path
YouTube is like the only real competitor at this point imo
rigid shoal
There are some country specific competitors to Twitch, btw.
foggy path
VK and Steam I guess, but Steam's streaming thing is really bad, and no idea about VK tbh
Trying to get a list of the services restream supports but their own site definitely does not want to list them for some reason...
https://support.restream.io/en/articles/872029-list-of-all-restream-supported-services oh there it is
just had to dig through pretty deep to find it :P
I mean I don't think there's really a whole lot of realistic options there for folks like shroud or ninja, unless one of the smaller services really wants to make a bid to become a bigger player with Mixer gone
proud pier
Or they create their own
foggy path
That would be a pretty big ask tbh
proud pier
I dunno
proud pier
He has enough money to make it happen
And he would receive 100% of income
probably would make it back
in less than a year
¯_(ツ)_/¯
foggy path
yeah, large scale low latency video streaming infra is just not exactly trivial
although I guess maybe AWS has a solution for it, just not sure if it's exactly going to be affordable
AWS is great for getting stuff up but if you have low margins their systems can get expensive
soft night
Twitter
foggy path
Classy
fathom wadi
I'd love it if they moved to facebook and nobody used it, like now.
inland oriole
YouTube streams all the way 🎉
fathom wadi
I don't much like watching on youtube. I prefer twitch. better layout for viewing and chatting.
proud pier
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Nothing wrong with that
FB buyouts are nice for studios
It's basically console stuff
But, it would be nice to just consider them 1st party, versus outright buyout
or rather merge
fathom wadi
https://media2.giphy.com/media/YnHLvHsv4owyNI3V0I/giphy.gif me if Facebook offered me money for my studio
foggy path
Depends on how much... tbh I'd take a cool million if offered 
fathom wadi
I'd take 5 grand right now just to be able to move my family out of this paedo ridden hellhole.
zinc matrix
what paedo hellhole?
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix Blackpool, England
soft night
the twitch layout is great so was mixer
zinc matrix
looks nice on pictures, like a beach scene from BioShock Infinite @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix its a shithole. They take good photos of the promenade, but one street back it gets grotty.
Some really talented person actually made a concept art of Blackpool for Deus Ex Human Revolution. It's been my desktop for years.
thats a 10 min walk from my house
zinc matrix
#work-in-progress
fathom wadi
it looks more like this.
it gets worse around that area too. I used live down that end and it was wall to wall smackheads, drunks and prostitutes/brothels. The worst of it all is this is a family town for holidays, but the council gets money everytime they relocate paedophiles here. So there are 3 living within 10 min radius last time the wife checked. Can't even let the kids out to play
this is how they sell the town though.
looks like frickin GTAV
zinc matrix
ugh
fickle crag
Curious. How do game developers get away with using other company's maps in their video games that they officially include in map pools? Ex. Dust 2 in other games like Krunker, etc.
median wraith
You end faster getting some from the marketplace
There was a nice lods plug in
@fickle crag well they do it until someone catch them cuz is illegal
fickle crag
So Valve just doesnt care?
foggy path
is it an official map or just something you can play on a custom server? not really sure how krunker works in that sense
fickle crag
Its an official Dev "made" map
median wraith
Are these games know enough to care about?
fickle crag
I would think so, lots of games take Dust 2. Like Pavlov
north torrent
Does Valve care about games?
fickle crag
no.
north torrent
I think they just run the money printer now.
median wraith
Mods don't count
fickle crag
True, but I'm just curious as to why companies don't care.
north torrent
Nintendo would care.
Valve is not Nintendo though, they don't see their intellectual property as their most valuable asset.
median wraith
100 views video in a game that isn't know enough created by a modder, do you think someone will even care?
That's even on first level of gamedev simulator
Let the people do a bit the stupid
fickle crag
Also I'm pretty mods are not exempt from legal ramifications of stolen IPs.
north torrent
Valve makes their money off the fact that Steam was once a good platform and even now that it isn't they coast on that because gamers are 'comfortable'.
But protecting their intellectual property, especially a game like Counter Strike, just isn't worth the time in their business model.
Counter Strike isn't a character driven game that sells merchandise or anything like that, it is purely for a niche group of competitive first person shooter players who enjoy boring games.
median wraith
Yeah but nobody cares from a random
Valve allows to make movies and porn with their assets even provide a toolfor
fickle crag
true lol
median wraith
So yeah this enter into the permissive area of rule to keep people happy
north torrent
I'm not even sure that the layout of a first person shooter level is legally protected.
median wraith
Until some extend yeah you cannot copy paste a level
north torrent
Might be an interesting legal experiment. Instead of stealing a character from Nintendo, just steal the exact layout of a Mario level but use squirrels as your characters.
If Nintendo sues you then you have your answer... But don't blame me, I'm not paying your legal fees.
foggy path
I suspect it could be comparable to architectural design
fickle crag
I do have some questions about UE4 movement tho if someone would like to PM me
about movement
foggy path
You might have more luck just asking the question... a lot of the time when you help someone in PM's, they take it as an implicit invitation to start PM'ing you all their future questions as well, so you might not get a lot of volunteers for it
fickle crag
Alright, Ill ask in the channel.
I asked in the unreal engine chat
I know what I want to do an achieve but I don't have the knowledge to do it and I don't have the knowledge to find what I want to work on
north torrent
One step at a time.
Making games is a long process, takes a lot of learning.
Lot of trying stuff and watching it literally explode.
fickle crag
yeah.
craggy matrix
Big boi
zinc matrix
@zinc matrix keep loling big boi
i finished
@zinc matrix
Shit i drank too much coffee
Now cant sleep
I'm doomed
north torrent
Code until you die.
foggy path
tfw you're working on something that should be simple because there's already stuff that does most of what you need done, but all of the code is just total garbage and unusable 🤦
fathom wadi
tfw when all your projects have potential but need money invested and people to assist, but all you have is the dream.
north torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3CHXyWRcu0 @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
not annoying at all 😄
north torrent
I actually can't hear it... I'm at school and don't know where I put my headphones...
fathom wadi
seems like someone had a sense of humour.
north torrent
Coincidence?
What is a better name for a corrupt fat cat?
Rich Rick Monnell or Richard ConMonnell?
fathom wadi
if you excuse the choice word, (ill bleep it for the chan) but you could always call them a c**t
thorny dock
I want to play that MMO where alls you do is spam enter
no quests tho because thats so 1990
I just want a game where I can press enter, and everything JUST WORKS, ya know?
north torrent
No, I don't know. Please tell me.
north torrent
I'm always confused.
fathom wadi
twitter is a fucking mental disorder I swear
when im on it one of three things occurs. 1. I see amazing art and game dev work which makes me happy and validates my reason to be on the platform. 2. Im being ostracized or insulted for being a straight white male. 3. I get into legitimate arguments or disagreements, the gangs turn up and again, its group mentality attacking and often bullying.
The other day I took so much shit because someone posted a picture of a couple who looked very happy, were in love, married etc. One was 24 and the other 17. People were calling it grooming. All I said was "it depends on locality but they look happy so you are probably jealous" and the heat was over 500 messages of people calling me a paedo. Fact is, I live in the UK where 16 is the age of consent. If a 17 and 24 year old hook up here, nobody bats an eyelid. In the US, you are a paedo who should be shot.
I got 1k likes for my comment so its not like it was everyone. But 4 days later im still getting messages and tagged.
its a fucking hellhole schoolyard of group mentality bullies waiting for the next victim to jump on
thorny dock
holy shit you must be important if that many people are reading your posts, any time I say anything I'm shocked if 1 person even acknowledges it
fathom wadi
no its just you say something one person disagrees with, then their friends do, then their friends do. It barrel rolls. If I said something about UE4 or my own work, it would get 50 impressions tops :/
rancid nymph
I am far too antagonistic for social media .... not worth the bother
fathom wadi
me too but I go out of my way not to be. Occasionally I slip up and get angry at someone, but I don't go out of my way to offend people. It just happens because I don't fit into the left or right category. So both hate me :p
This video sums it all up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4
rancid nymph
yeah I dont fit into a category either, but I would say most rational people are that way too .... far too many sheep just jumping on bandwagons
north torrent
On paper I most certainly take sides, because being a registered independent in the United States is like just giving away all your power to try to make change and letting other people decide for you.
It is a system in which you have to choose a side of the fence and try to change that side for the better. Otherwise both sides will end up controlled by corporate fat cats who only care about their own money.
rancid nymph
I never saw the point in politics and taking a stand .... I mean, I see the point but all sides just feed you lies to get voted in, so its a guess as to who is spewing the most bullshit ... although I may have had to vote against the orange guy if I were an American
fathom wadi
I believe left and right wing politics both hold good values and bad values. Right wing isn't all racism and anti-immigrants etc. Some of it is fiscal policy, conservatism, corporatism and capitalism. Same with the left. It's not all liberal, some of it is actually anti-freedom, cancel culture, group attacks and such. Both have good and bad sides. I just pick the logical good from my own opinions.
north torrent
In a system like the United States if you want to have an election of two sides that are not liars you need to vote for people who have walked the walk into the smaller government positions.
Vote in the Democrat or Republican party, put in honest people who aren't just corrupt political fat cats from the lowest position all the way up to the federal government.
Voting in primaries is what allows you to get better choices in the general election.
By not choosing a side and trying to change it for the better, you are just letting other people change both sides for the worse and then deciding between two bad options.
The idea that 'both sides are bad' is just lazy. If you only show up for the end game and didn't vote in all the small elections leading up to it, then you can't be surprised that letting other people make the decisions for you ended in a bad final choice.
fathom wadi
both sides are bad though
rancid nymph
exactly
north torrent
I want both sides to be better, I want both sides to be fixed and not be controlled by corrupt fat cats.
But most state level systems will only let you vote in primary elections of one party, zero if you are an independent, so the only way to make a change is pick a side.
Both sides are bad, Mr. Rogerson, because you didn't pick a side and fix it. It is the fault of people like you that both sides are bad.
fathom wadi
I want a new new world order. the current new world order is fucked
north torrent
It is a slow process, Mr. Rogerson.
fathom wadi
I didn't vote for either because im in the UK so I can't. But if I were to vote in the US, I would vote "None of the above" because Montgomery Brewster told me its the only way
rancid nymph
I have not lived in the uk for nearly 20 years and so I don't have the opportunity to vote ... but I doubt I would anyway
fathom wadi
north torrent
You don't need to pick a side in the US, you need to pick a side in the UK...
north torrent
And you are going to let that stop you?
rancid nymph
At one time both major parties were represented by public school boys who know absolutely nothing of normal peoples daily lives
how can they represent me ?\
north torrent
I don't know how they choose party leaders in the UK, but in the US if the party leader is corrupt and out of touch it is because the voters voted for a leader that is corrupt and out of touch.
Or they just didn't vote... and let the corrupt and out of touch people win by default.
fathom wadi
im not letting it stop me, I just don't subscribe anymore to the faux political system here. I vote but I don't think it means anything. I just do it because I like to steal the little pencils they give you to vote. Which is suspect as it is. I mean, we have erasers.
@rancid nymph Same with the US really. Trump is an exception, but look at the Ivy leagues that the Presidents goto. Yale in particular.
rancid nymph
Not so surprising really
rigid shoal
I believe that the US and UK politicians are still better than most of the world's.
They're not that bad.
rancid nymph
Honestly I think anyone that wants the power to control a country is a bit suspect
north torrent
I think the US system could be fixed in just a couple of straight forward moves.
It is broke but the foundation is still there.
fathom wadi
@rigid shoal over 100,000 people died from social security cuts that the tories made. They also interrogated disabled people to the point they were killing themselves in droves. It's been swept under the rug but Pepperidge Farm remembers.
north torrent
Between getting rid of corporation stock buybacks and inforcing laws that are already there, you are probably over 50% fixed without having to add any new laws or systems.
rancid nymph
@rigid shoal I can totally see your point but I live in a junta controlled country and its not so bad ... atleast I know I have no say
north torrent
Most of human history is people murdering each other to death.
fathom wadi
rigid shoal
I don't know specifically about those things, but still, you should consider the bright side. The US and the UK are not in bad shape -- they are still some of the top places to live.
north torrent
Sounds like something someone who has only lived in the United States would say.
fathom wadi
They did something cruel to my own mother. She has been disabled for 30 years. Can't walk without help. Should be in a wheelchair but refuses one. She has a car so she can get out of the house and do shopping etc. They told her she was fit for work, stopped all her disability benefits, took her car and I swear when I saw her, she looked like death. She got very ill, depressed and it made me so angry. She appealed and it was all given back to her but that 2 months was like mental abuse.
north torrent
I'm not saying it is false, just that it is an odd thing to say.
north torrent
"At least in the United States you can get medical care that puts your family into Bankruptcy, in Haiti you can't even get the medical care to start with".
A very true statement but a very odd argument to make...
rigid shoal
Yeah, the medical issue is certainly a downside of America.
rancid nymph
Its all about money and the rich control the world ... I don't see them giving up the power anytime soon
north torrent
I was more just saying that the "well it could be worse" argument in general is kind of odd.
fathom wadi
An example of the kind of scum in power in the UK.
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1274980753173086209?s=20
This man deported Windrush immigrants less than a year earlier.
Twitter
north torrent
Well it could be worse, EA could make you pay a monthly fee to play Anthem.
That does not justify everything else EA has done...
rigid shoal
Yes, but when most of the other places are in worse shape, it makes it easier to appreciate the positives.
It's just something worth considering, imo. To look at the bright side, not everything is doom and gloom.
north torrent
I would rather look at how good the fat cats have it and then guillotine them.
rancid nymph
Its pretty fucked here politically but there are good things and bad things everywhere .... at least I don't live in a cardboard box yet
rigid shoal
And has there ever been a time when people didn't complain about their politicians?
rancid nymph
I would rather look at how good the fat cats have it and then guillotine them.
@north torrent but now you are just dreaming ... they already have all the money
north torrent
Now you are just being a defeatist.
rigid shoal
And a lot of high profile politicians in America aren't even very wealthy.
fathom wadi
@rigid shoal we should be criticising them at every decision. So I can live with that. They are managing us. As the saying goes, "Freedom comes with eternal vigilance".
rancid nymph
well our deputy PM has a $1.5 million collection of watches and his yearly salary is less than 100 thousand .... when the scandal came out he just said a dead friend lent them to him ...problem solved
fathom wadi
rigid shoal
Yeah, maybe Thailand has it a little worse.
rancid nymph
It has its problems but I love it here
fathom wadi
You can't always compere other cultures and lifestyles to your own politically though. You have to have the context of your own situation
We could say all countries are better than North Korea, but its not relevant
Saudi Arabia might beat them soon tho
rigid shoal
I never understood why there are inheritance taxes when they could just be easily circumnavigated with trusts.
fathom wadi
I never understood why corporations get away with not paying tax. They always threaten to leave the UK, but then they cant sell in the UK. Which doesn't benefit the corporation at all, so they wouldn't do it. It's an empty threat.
north torrent
You don't just stop making laws just because some people will bypass it...
Well, some people will still find a way to not get caught for murder, so might as well not bother making homicide laws...
fathom wadi
yeah like the Clintons
north torrent
Conspiracy theory time...
rancid nymph
I never understand the greed ... I mean once you are never going to run out of money, what's the point of collecting it ?
fathom wadi
anyway enough of this new world order banter. I must travel through the eye of the pyramid, seek the chequered floor, climb the ladder of enlightenment and goto bed.
rigid shoal
It is kind of strange how many people vaguely associated with the Clintons accidentally die.
north torrent
It is literally a mental illness, Mr. CraigB.
rancid nymph
anyway enough of this new world order banter. I must travel through the eye of the pyramid, seek the chequered floor, climb the ladder of enlightenment and goto bed.
@fathom wadi I already banged one out this morning
It is literally a mental illness, Mr. CraigB.
@north torrent I think it must be
north torrent
Like alcoholism or being a sex addict.
Hoarding money you will never need and ruining other lives to do it shows you are sufferings from a mental illness.
rigid shoal
To play devil's advocate, it is a bad decision to pay taxes when you don't need to.
rancid nymph
I don't know about that .... but I think once you reach a certain amount of wealth you should be banned from receiving any more
north torrent
Not exactly.
If you own Walmart and you make your money off poor people buying groceries at your store, there is an inherent benefit in living in a society that keeps your customers alive, Mr. Floss.
In a way the government protects them from destroying themselves from their own greed.
The greed would eventually run over to the point where there would be nobody left to make these fat cats rich.
rigid shoal
That would be quite extreme. But that's kind of what's happening now. Lots of companies are trying to tap into the Chinese market.
north torrent
Walmart thinks they can just hire people part time and give no health benefits, and if the US government didn't pay for programs to give medical care to these workers they would eventually die.
Then Walmart would just hire someone else to replace the dead person.
But if all the corporations did this unchecked the supply of new people to die would eventually run out.
You have to protect alcoholics from themselves. You have to protect meth addicts from themselves. You have to protect money addicts from themselves.
thorny dock
north torrent
Yelling at small children.
proven thorn
Depends ultimately on your view of currency / money.
north torrent
My view is that we should burn it.
proven thorn
With the way things are going, that's kind of already happening.
zinc matrix
Children, money, or both, @north torrent?
soft night
hmm disney+ news to email
pearl elk
infected salmon eewww
north torrent
I finished the salmon and now I'm eating tuna.
Have you ever played Star Citizen, Mr. Olympus?
soft night
cold smoked salmon
north torrent
Now I have noodles.
tulip orbit
I have coffee and currently 0 motivation for anything
pearl elk
I played Star Citizen once, found it pretty boring
Probably one of those games you have to invest atleast 20hrs into just to get started
north torrent
I was just curious if it was still being improved on in 2020, I haven't tried it yet.
Was thinking about trying it just out of curiosity.
mossy nexus
Has it left Alpha yet?
zinc matrix
guys
ill finish eating soon ❤️
and then it will be big day
DAY
Of The RELEASE
Of My MMO
clap clap
soft night
monsMMO
pearl elk
No thanks, dont need one
pearl elk
Watchin Guns Akimbo
quasi maple
Unreal Webinar - for those interested
I found about it by an email from Unreal Engine
zinc matrix
what is laifu without waifu
soft night
what is unreafy
fathom wadi
You know it's going to be a difficult day when you log onto Twitter and the first post you see starts with
actually I don't. I just sit in a chair and dissolve into the UE4 engine. Those giving out the white privilege don't know I exist.
tulip orbit
they know you exist, you're just being excluded. 😄
median wraith
they mean you had always eLection @fathom wadi
fathom wadi
@tulip orbit sounds about right considering im against the system and support human rights.
foggy path
I've learned to just ignore people who use the word "cis" and "privilege"
99% of the time they're just angry about something which has nothing to do with me :p
alpine fern
normal, basically
zinc matrix
im cis??
rigid shoal
You may see the cis-/trans- prefix used elsewhere. It's latin. Just means "one side of" vs "another side of", I think.
So in this case, cis-gender just means not trans-gendered.
foggy path
cisgender is the gender you were born as
Cisgender is a term for people whose gender identity matches their sex assigned at birth.
rigid shoal
Just avoid Twitter all together.
foggy path
I guess that's a more specific and correct definition
foggy path
Oh dear... I'm not even sure if I want to look at the video because it'll make me cringe too hard
I'm sure it's been co-opted by them
solid aurora
that's the problem, people escale word to thge point of insanity
don't give shit about news
I have my own brain -;-
foggy path
and that is how you get Trump as president 
foggy path
You're watching pretty strange news then
solid aurora
I actually don't even watch news
foggy path
How do you know what they're like then lol
solid aurora
and I don't really care about US from Poland : P
foggy path
heh
solid aurora
but
foggy path
Yeah sadly the "fake news media" BS seems to be somewhat spreading in Finland too
solid aurora
what I care
I that those US "news" are spilling around here
I don't watch them, but I see them regardless ie. reddit
fuck even youtube...
not that I look for them
foggy path
tbh I almost never see any politics on youtube because I don't follow drama oriented channels :p
rigid shoal
YouTube's front page will sometimes have a trending politics section.
Even Amazon's front page had that last week.
solid aurora
I'm just really tierd of shoving some political agenda trough entertaiment,
ragardless of side
and then loud activist doing hell on earth because someone said something
for fuck sake
more distance
and reason
less emotions
I sometimes feel like you are guilty because you actually think
instead of FEEL..
solar nebula
I think emotion are fine (let’s not pretend like humans are robots), it’s just that I wish news were focused more locally
It creates unnecessary emotional load to be exposed to news that happened on the other side of the planet and hardly involve your local area
solid aurora
nah my only problem is that emotions controll those activists and the seem incapable of thinking critically
foggy path
I dunno man, it seems to invole plenty of critical thinking to be against racism and police brutality
and all the other BS that's going on :P
foggy path
I don't really see white people getting shot by cops a lot
fathom wadi
a friend posted a similar thing and I had to objectively state that of course all lives matter, but right now black people are being murdered by the police extrajudicially so although all lives matter, black lives matters more at this point in history and what is happening to them needs to change.
foggy path
Yeah, it's a difficult topic because when you hear "black lives matter" you do get the feeling like it's saying that other lives don't matter
But it really isn't about that, it's like Marc said
fathom wadi
also... not all lives matter. That is a stupid statement if you break it down. Does a paedophiles life matter? Does a mass murderer's life matter? Not all lives matter. Some lives we extinguish for the good of the human race.
mossy nexus
Save the Rain Forest!
What about the other trees? Aren't they worth saving?
Of course they are, but the rain forest is being killed off far quicker than any other forest in the world.
Thats why Black Lives Matter. You are statistically more likely to be KILLED by police in the USA if you are black. It's not saying ONLY black lives matter, it's saying there is systemic racism in the US, which needs to be addressed. 🙂
foggy path
That's a good way to summarize it yeah
As a straight white person you just hear so much of sort of "hate" about that that it's very easy to take all this personally
mossy nexus
I say USA, but the same is true in all countries
foggy path
and I'm using the word "hate" very sort of lightly here
but I definitely used to kind of get real defensive about these things whenever I heard those phrases, mostly because it felt very personal for some reason
and you rarely really get any good explanations about it so it took me ages to kind of understand it better and get over it :P
mossy nexus
It's easy for whites to not understand how much blacks face racism on a daily basis. Little things to the big things.
foggy path
It's probably a good idea to stop and think that if hearing those things on social media makes you feel attacked as a white person, you gotta wonder how black people or LGBTQ folks feel everywhere
mossy nexus
I'm white, well more of a translucent blue colour really, if I tried to get a sun tan I'd fried spy satellites with the glare. I have black nephews n nieces and grand nephews n grand nieces. I know how much they can be affected on a daily basis.
fathom wadi
I think a lot of people feel attacked because they are not racist, sexist, etc. I can understand that. But then if that's the case, it's not about you.
foggy path
Yeah exactly ^
fathom wadi
@mossy nexus true story. I had a blue tint to my skin for the first 6 months of my life due to being born dead
mossy nexus
There is also non aggressive racism too. It was very prevalent in the 70's in the UK when a lot of people from the Caribbean came here. The attitude was "I'm not racist, I've nothing against black people. But I don't want them living near me"
I was a blue baby too, but it didn't last
Had my umbilical cord wrapped around my neck.
fathom wadi
I knew a complete dickhead once who would profess he wasn't a racist, but would call his video game characters "Winston" and "Gungadin" and had a gollywog doll in his car. I kept telling him he was a racist and would always deny it. Truth is, he was, probably still is but I won't know because I ain't talked to him for 8 years.
mossy nexus
Only man I knew that had a Gollywog pin, and proudly wore it was a chap from London. As black as the come. He liked messing with people.. he even had people come up to him and complain that he wore it.
My view is treat people as you find them. Dickheads come in all colours. So do sound as a pound folk.
foggy path
We used to have this type of cream filled chocolate candy thing called literally black person's kiss except it was.. you know.. the n word instead of black person in the name
with like a really racy stereotypical caricature on the box
mossy nexus
oooft
foggy path
they did rename it in early 2000's to something else and removed the art... but oh man it was such a fucking big deal and the populist "I'm not a racist but" politicians talked about it for YEARS
mossy nexus
One of the Police chiefs/captains or something in the US recently had a rant due to the backlash of public opinion of the police. Saying it's not fair that everyone thinks they are all thugs. Which obviously kind of backfired, as people pointed out that's exactly how the black community feel all the time with the way the police treat them.
foggy path
lol
dark tangle
@urban bolt I dmed you about your game
fathom wadi
@foggy path the movie "The Dambusters", which is considered a classic, had scenes with a black labrador dog on the RAF base and it was called the n-word. They had to cut those scenes out or dub it. It's still in some movies as reference though, like Pink Floyd's The Wall movie directed by Alan Parker.
dim ruin
anyone here use Substance Painter regularly?
zinc matrix
guys
dim ruin
I'm wondering if when I export textures from Substance Painter using the UE4 export preset, are the normal maps already flipped or should I be letting UE4 invert them on import?
zinc matrix
i am in void
dim ruin
g'night Johnboy
zinc matrix
not going to sleep
dim ruin
you're in the void. You shouldn't even have internet service right now
I think maybe its just this "loose dirt" material has shit normals lol
I'm scaling the normals down in the material and its looking a bit better
and I found something kinda neat. You can use scaling specific axis of the normal map to help shadows be more "in-line" with the current position of the sun
tulip orbit
@dim ruin I havent had to flip my normals when exporting before
dim ruin
Do you let UE4 invert the texture when it imports it?
I'm trying to figure out if painter is flipping the y automatically on export
tulip orbit
I dont think it does? I've never changed it from the default
dim ruin
the editor should be automatically unless you tell it to revert it. Unless theres a setting to disable that default
just for normals
they both look like shit. But I can fix it if I figure out lol
tulip orbit
I've never had an issues shrug
dim ruin
its gotta just be this material
yeah. If I flatten the normals down by mul .2, it looks much better
covert nebula
damn mosquitos, damn heat, why does summer have to be so hot
north torrent
Have you tried moving to Canadia?
covert nebula
no but that would probably fix it lol
north torrent
Have you played the game Frostpunk?
covert nebula
yes
north torrent
That would probably fix your problem.
wet horizon
anyone knows an active graphics programming/ game engine programming discord server
north torrent
Can't remember ever having my citizens complain about mosquitos.
covert nebula
well summer seems acceptable in comparison to having to choose if we can bury the dead or burn them for heat
or whatever the other option was, can't remember
nice game though
north torrent
I've been thinking about playing Star Citizen...
But I wonder if all the pay to win people ruin the game...
covert nebula
is it out of early access yet?
it seems like a really cool project but it makes me wonder if it will ever see completion
north torrent
Probably going to be in alpha forever, but in a way that makes it interesting.
From the perspective of a game designer that is.
But compared to what it looked like 3 year ago... they seem to still be just barely starting to implement the things they said were 'coming soon' 3 years ago...
Like medic gameplay.
covert nebula
45$ is a bit steep imho for a game that is in alpha
stiff crystal
zinc matrix
I just hope they'll deliver on many features
I want a game that has some mechanics from Saints Row 2 especially with customization and interaction
Like hidden interactive carousels in Arma 3 too at least
rigid shoal
I heard that Star Citizen's alpha isn't really 'alpha'. Apparently it has good features.
covert nebula
on the other hand you can get elite dangerous for half the money, different game for sure, but still fulfills that rogue space adventure desire for me
rigid shoal
I think Eve is the closest to Star Cizien, isn't it?
zinc matrix
star citizen to me is like gta: o so far but way more peaceful
Eve's gameplay is in no way similar
You just fly and fight in ships like a 3D moba
It's too complicated and it's like literally fucking animated 3d chess for me. I like the lore but am very partial to Gallente and Minmatar
covert nebula
never played eve
but i know a lot of people are very invested, must be a good game
zinc matrix
Eh, I wish Dust 514 wasn't cancelled or at least permanently moved to PC. Failing that I want a similar spin-off to their franchise, just no recycled map layouts and something way less grindy
covert nebula
oh i can relate to the feeling of a game being too grindy
i have like 2k hours on ark
north torrent
I think Star Citizen mostly appeals to people who want to drive cargo trucks, just in space, with space pirates attacking your cargo trucks...
zinc matrix
Spent the most on gta:o, ps2 and some obscure web game before ditching all three eventually
covert nebula
star citizen sounds and looks good, it's just that i'm not willing to pay 45$ for a game that is in alpha, not even half that price
zinc matrix
Customization appeals to me but so does shooting and exploring
I want something with Saints Row 2's mechanics. Should make my own game but I don't feel like I'm in a good position to.
north torrent
If the $45 option gave you a ship that had some freaken cargo space it might be worth it.
But there is a 0% chance I am paying more than $45, so my decision on whether or not to play depends on how hard it is to get a cargo ship in game.
My research is showing that I can just rent one with in game money after a few hours of play and make a lot of money with a rented ship to go buy my own with in game money.
zinc matrix
I got bored with it and have decided to avoid it for personal issues too.
covert nebula
i should really push myself to start refactoring my game to use gas
i'm just procrastinating it
in favor of animation blueprints and other stuff that are still useful, but still not as essential
north torrent
Anything to do with animation is a rabbit hole that once you go down you will lose all your time for other things.
covert nebula
nah i need precise things that just need to be made so i can have them lol
north torrent
Well, say goodbye to every other mechanic then.
north torrent
I still think solo devs shouldn't touch anything with the word animation in it.
north torrent
I used to be an animator back in the day.
rigid shoal
I basically had to quit once I ran into animation/art problems.
north torrent
Just eventually realized that in the game industry you can be an animator or you can be a game developer, but you can't be both.
covert nebula
it depends on your scope
north torrent
So I dropped animation in favor of having time for all the other stuff.
covert nebula
as a solo dev of course it's a bad idea to try to make an mmorpg, but if what you're trying to do is smaller, maybe low poly or stylized, you can make it work
less polygons == easier rig
zinc matrix
I'm just gonna have to get away with asset flips unless I ever get in a position where I can make serious money.
north torrent
I remember back in the day when the main character only got 5,000 polygons and all the other characters had about 2,000.
covert nebula
oh yeah of course for everything else that would just take an enormous chunk of your time, just pay for it
and tweak it to your needs
asset flips are godsend
north torrent
Use Qix Mix to customize your textures to fit the style of your game, Mr. Suspicion. Quick and easy way to fake having a coherent art style.
covert nebula
even if there are obvious asset flips in your project, it will make it look better than no assets and make it easier to attract people that wanna help
zinc matrix
I'm on a ue4 discord and while I love working with ue4 I won't always have such a beefy system to use it and it is owned by Epic Games. Been also exploring other game engines too.
Don't know why I'm thinking about this shit when trying to survive and write the next chapter of my life is more important but that's too painful to think about.
north torrent
I used a lot of game engines back in the day. Now however I am tired of it all and will stick with Unreal till the day I die.
My least favorite was using the Hammer Editor for Valve's Source Engine...
The CryEngine was pretty fun back in the day. I used Unity for a while, certainly never going back there.
zinc matrix
Unreal is pleasant to work with IME, yes. I just prefer the community here at least since some communities can be a bit more of a... mixed bag for me.
Unity, I have mixed views of and a few gripes with too.
covert nebula
working with unity felt like my code was a hack all the time, even if it was clean af
idk why
zinc matrix
yeah
A few things seem broken to me with Unity, I prefer to avoid c# even though it's a decent language and I kind of like the challenge of working with cpp ue4 and its associated reward, and the feel of working with the engine
Shame about its documentation though now.
zinc matrix
The Epic Wiki
For when I need to do random shit like verbose logging and dealing with interfaces (although YouTube videos exist thankfully)
zinc matrix
awesome!
I've thought about learning 3d modeling once too but again, that requires time and money (or income I may not always have plenty of). Sure, Blender is free but a system needed to run it and some lessons aren't
covert nebula
eh being on a tight budget is never fun
north torrent
Computers aren't free, but you can learn 3d modeling for free.
covert nebula
they always say that money doesn't makes happiness, but never talk about the lack of it
zinc matrix
I'm getting more and more irritated with capitalism, at least because it only allows things and people to exist for a profit and allows people to be exploited for profit (eg foxconn)
north torrent
The lack of money prevents you from a lot of things in life and the stress of not having money takes away time to work on things...
zinc matrix
But I'm not in the mood so much to talk about this.
covert nebula
may i ask where are you guys from?
zinc matrix
UK but close to leaving uni. Want to move out but even if I had work and money it's gonna be difficult to cut off relatives which I intend to do.
north torrent
I am a resident of China but a United States citizen originally.
zinc matrix
I'm not willing to get work in part due to personal reasons
north torrent
Without a job it is hard to buy computers.
covert nebula
i've been in a similar position, wasn't a fun time
zinc matrix
I have computers but I need to keep them as long as I can.
I'm trying to anticipate for this because of personal reasons
north torrent
Costs money to upgrade a gpu.
covert nebula
i'm waiting for the 3000 series to hit the market so i can decide which one to buy based on the price vs perf
zinc matrix
I have non-gaming projects I need to do too - they just require hard drives and anything with a USB connector, ideally with a decent CPU for compression
north torrent
I got an RTX 2070 a while back. My next gpu is probably going to be the RTX 3080ti just because I can.
covert nebula
is your degree dev related suspicion?
zinc matrix
Game dev but I've other plans
covert nebula
i'm still running on a gtx 1060
zinc matrix
rx 570 on my desktop which I may have to leave to my relatives
north torrent
I was using a GTX 750ti for years...
covert nebula
it was a good card at its time
north torrent
Had to upgrade eventually, so I got the RTX 2070 on release.
zinc matrix
My 570 is dependable but then again I'm finding it more and more difficult to get into games. Even free ones I avoid. I've played Destiny 2 without paying for mtx but still quit it.
covert nebula
i played apex legends a lot with my co-workers the last few months, now i'm bored of it
zinc matrix
The rtx 2060 in my laptop performs about the same
Battle Royale shooters are no longer my thing. The main reason I now avoid games are shit talkers and characters I envy
north torrent
I haven't played a game online in years...
covert nebula
have you seen all the hype among the trees is getting?
zinc matrix
Gameplay and the devs and publishers particularly also play a role in which games appeal to me but even if, EA, say, were to not have been behind Mirror's Edge, I'd still avoid that game.
covert nebula
game looks very nice
zinc matrix
Nostalgia would hit me like a bullet with the music and the fact it came out in the late 2000s with pretty graphics, and I envy Faith.
north torrent
I'll get back to developing my game next week when the school year is over...
Having to keep a bunch of 9 year olds following social distancing rules is exhausting... Just haven't felt like doing it when I get home from work.
covert nebula
I'll get back to developing my game next week when the school year is over...
Having to keep a bunch of 9 year olds following social distancing rules is exhausting... Just haven't felt like doing it when I get home from work.
@north torrent oh man i don't envy anyone that has to work with the public right now
north torrent
Well, the public here knows how to follow the rules...
Even the 9 year olds follow the rules way better than grown adults back in the US. But they are 9 years old, and they do get excited way too easy.
"OMG the teacher has a new hole punch! Everyone gather around his desk and look at how pretty the new hole punch is! OMG it can punch a hole in a piece of paper!!!"
north torrent
Among Trees really just looks like a whole bunch of fog, god rays, and a bright colored sky that creates a silhouette effect on the foreground elements.
I used to make space stuff in they style back in Unreal 3.
covert nebula
yeah it's very simple, but it's made by a solo dev isn't it?
north torrent
At the moment I'm more worried about being banned from traveling anywhere because the rest of the world is thinking about banning people from the US from entering because of corona-virus...
covert nebula
it will pass
north torrent
At this rate, in a year...
zinc matrix
Guys
covert nebula
the world is in turmoil, it will either pass or change will come i guess
zinc matrix
@covert nebula total cope
tulip orbit
theres bound to be a meteorite or something to end it all this year...
covert nebula
i'm from italy btw, at the start it seemed like we were the problematic ones, but in the ended europe had a decent management of the crisis imo
rigid shoal
Are you in China right now?
north torrent
Now Italy is going to be banning people from the US from entering so it doesn't spread again.
The US and Brazil are a threat to the rest of the world right now.
I'm in Shanghai right now. No new outbreaks here in months.
covert nebula
@covert nebula total cope
@zinc matrix what do you mean?
rigid shoal
Shanghai
You worried about the Three Gorges Dam thing?
Also, why Shanghai and not Shenzhen?
covert nebula
what do you guys think of social distancing apps?
north torrent
They work.
rigid shoal
And, there's been a lot of anti-China stuff lately. Pretty much all the major world news is related to or indirectly related to China in a negative way.
north torrent
I don't worry about China. I have no long term connections to China, I just work here.
zinc matrix
The us and Brazil have had a shit response to the virus because they're ruled by, let's say, Victorian fucks
rigid shoal
A lot of Americans really do not care about the virus at all. In terms of prevention (wearing masks, distancing, etc.).
zinc matrix
I have my beef with China too but the virus isn't what I have beef with them about.
I blame those who worship the 19th century
Or the 1980s
north torrent
I get my beef from Australia actually.
zinc matrix
Why can't those times be viewed like wartime Germany?
north torrent
Mmmmm... beef.
zinc matrix
We are taught here in the UK the 19th century used child labor and it's not a fun time
rigid shoal
Child labor
Mao talks about that a lot, lol.
north torrent
People had to fight to standardize 8 hour work days and 5 day work weeks. People had to fight to not have children working 7 days a week 12 hours a day in factories. Without regulation the world would be a nightmare.
covert nebula
what's the exact point of this conversation? sorry i'm lost
zinc matrix
Politics. US and Brazil's terrible response in particular to the virus
Since they're Victorian wannabes
north torrent
In a Flosstopian society where only stock market gains mattered and there were no progressive regulations we would all be slaves until the point where we died, then the fat cats at the top would realize their own greed had destroyed the system they build but it would be too late and they would die too.
zinc matrix
A time when religious fundamentalism, the market and racism thrived because they were expected
rigid shoal
It's the opposite. You invest in the stock market and every one would make money that way. It's like communism through capitalism.
I mean, that is how America works. A lot of people keep their 401k's in the stock market, American stock market can only go up (which is significant because other countries' stock markets do very poorly), and then they retire.
broken sigil
Battle Royale shooters are no longer my thing. The main reason I now avoid games are shit talkers and characters I envy
@zinc matrix
if you played rocket league there trash talking is part of the fun 😂
north torrent
Only the elite have 401ks.
broken sigil
not BR but still
zinc matrix
Depends on what they're talking about. Some user names trigger me too.
rigid shoal
401k's are a pretty middle class thing. It's the new pension-system.
And either way, the stock market allows anyone with some money the ability to ride along with the corrupt fat cats.
zinc matrix
Too low fps
north torrent
All the fps, Karol.
Fps = Flosstopian Punishment System
It means if you are part of the majority of people who don't have a 401k you get punished with slave labor until you get sick and left to die with no healthcare.
Punishment for not having rich parents.
zinc matrix
"You/they should have worked harder"
Although this would be an insult if aimed at black people who would most likely have someone was enslaved somewhere in their family tree
And basically measuring someone's worth by how much money they can make is pretty scummy
rigid shoal
The pension system was pretty good. But that's largely extinct now.
zinc matrix
Because "muh socialism"
rigid shoal
I actually don't know why it died out. But I don't think it was for political reasons.
Lots of people switch jobs/companies nowadays too.
north torrent
People have to switch jobs because vertical advancement in companies is no longer possible in the post-Reagan era.
My grandpa got a job when he was 18 and retired at said job when he was 65 after buying a house and raising 4 kids with that money.
Not possible in 2020. Companies give raises that are lower than the cost of living increase. You can however take the level of experience you have and move to a similar company and they will pay you 20% more for the same exact job because you have experience.
If you stay at the same company for 5 years, the people getting hired and working day one will be making more money than you.
zinc matrix
resists temptation to say something incredibly awful about Reagan
His legacy? Endangering LGBT+ rights and unions and making America's social attitudes more like Saudi Arabia that western Europe or even Canada. Permanently.
north torrent
Why did things change? Because the US started allowing corporation stock buybacks under Reagan, something that had traditionally always been illegal.
This eventually created a culture where short term stock gains mattered more than anything else for large companies.
Companies no longer had the responsibility to give their employees long term stability, they no longer needed to actually do better in business to grow. They no longer had to innovate new products for the company to grow.
They could fake grow through buying their own stocks.
And cutting expenses to be able to afford to buy back those stocks became the #1 priority. So the pay for the working class has stagnated since Reagan changed that one single law. Workers are now disposable and only the stock matters.
zinc matrix
We need to piss on his grave
I'm sorry but as someone going through personal issues with gender and who hates how money does all the talking, he is one example of how he shaped this nightmarish world
north torrent
I don't know if Reagan ever intended on keeping things this way for the next 3/4 decades or not... maybe he just did it for the short term boost.
But since that time the US has basically been chugging an insane amount of economic Redbull because every leader since then has been afraid of letting the economy come off that high.
I don't blame just Reagan, but also every president after him that was too afraid to turn off the Redbull injection system and let the economy go through withdrawal and return to a healthy state.
rigid shoal
Obama kind of turned it off, I think.
I would say he was pretty hands off from what I remember.
north torrent
And this is why you are the Karol of economics...
zinc matrix
Everyone looks to the US as an example to follow or avoid. I believe some countries become more repressive because the US is "decadent". Or in China's case, not dictatorial or "Marxist" enough even though China is neoliberal paradise as long as you don't upset the government
north torrent
Obama didn't inject as much new Redbull into the economy as Bush or tRump, but he didn't do anything to fix the system.
Corporation stock buybacks need to be made illegal of the United States will die because of it.
That is the one law that would single handedly fix at least 30% of the problems in the United States.
Corporation stock buybacks being illegal is traditional American values. That's how it traditionally was.
Making them legal made Reagan a Neo-Liberal and not a 'Conservative' as people call him.
zinc matrix
Now to deal with the electoral college or the electorate that wants to make America white, straight, Christian, anti-feminist and anti-science again to prevent Trump's re-election. They think neoliberalism is good for people but it's rigged as you've explained.
Reagan was more socially conservative.
north torrent
But not fiscally.
zinc matrix
The worst combination
north torrent
I like fiscal conservatism in a way. Not in all ways, depends on the situation.
The United States however has the liberals that we call Democrats and the super extra fiscal liberals that we call Republicans.
rigid shoal
Just curious, in what ways do you like fiscal conservatism?
north torrent
Though that being said I think a proper plan from any side of the spectrum could fix a lot of the problems we have. I am not convinced that only one ideology can work.
I think we can approach problems from a socialist, communist, or capitalist perspective and still find an answer.
zinc matrix
I don't know. America positioned itself to be a business-friendly place. I'm just not a fan of business because of the formality and the chasing money
It's made up but in a contrived way. I better appreciate royalty's idiosyncracies
north torrent
The quick answer, Mr. Floss, would be that I want to reduce government programs like food stamps, housing assistance, and other welfare programs. But in order to do that we need to make companies pay their workers a fair wage.
I would rather have a smaller government budget and have Walmart pay Walmart's workers. Not tax payers paying Walmart's workers food stamp money.
But at the same time I want more taxes for the next 5 - 10 years while we pay down the national debt to zero and have a surplus of money.
Spend less, earn more, delayed satisfaction. Instead of being decadent now, pay more in taxes spend less in government expenditures and set up a framework for a healthy financial future.
zinc matrix
If you don't mind me asking, what business do you have being in China?
north torrent
Reduce military's spending, reduce the insane amount of prisons in the United States, clean up the corrupt government contract system.
Save money in the federal budget.
I am just a simple teacher who is in China simply because the United States has become a nightmare to try to make a financial future in.
I don't plan to stay here, just here saving up some cash until I move on to the next place.
zinc matrix
There's a feedback loop as to the MIC and I do hope BLM helps to bring prisons down. Especially private ones who will find an excuse to deny freedom for profit and slavery.
The MIC exists because not only there's money to be made but there's people who really hate America, and to prevent a repeat of 9/11 or worse they have to arm themselves to the teeth
And terrorists against the US get more and more powerful or radical which motivates the MIC to create more sophisticated weapons
north torrent
Just because someone hates me and that person owns a knife doesn't mean I need to buy 17 tanks.
I'm not saying have no military, just not so freaken overkill.
zinc matrix
it's a bit unnerving how involved the military in the vs are with everyday life too. Other nations, you only see them in shooter games or films.
US politics is a hellscape. I want to move to Canada primarily for geographic and personal reasons. The UK wants to be like the US but we're not there yet, and resistance to being Americanized remains healthy. We also don't have the people and the same system too to be like America
north torrent
The US system would still probably be the easiest one to fix.
If this was a videogame the US is playing on easy mode and just making such bad choices that the game seems hard.
But one move in the right direction and it is back to easy mode again.
Get rid of corporation stock buybacks and everything else follows.
zinc matrix
I just think the pro-Victorian values population is a very significant setback for you all.
north torrent
Give the degenerates a job where they can work hard and make money with that energy and they will shut up and not even bother to vote.
Then just educate the next generation to be better.
zinc matrix
I think the first amendment needs to be modified. I've already heard calls for the second and more recently the thirteenth amendment to be modified too.
Then they have no bullshit to justify infecting others with fundamentalist Christianity
north torrent
I don't see a problem with the amendments at all, just the way that the government picks and chooses how to enforce said amendment.
zinc matrix
Hey! Is this a place where I can get support on unreal when building blueprints #blueprint would be the place to go?
rigid shoal
Yeah, probably #blueprint is better.
zinc matrix
Alright thanks
rigid shoal
#ue4-general is fine too sometimes.
In what way would you modify the 1st, the 2nd, or 13th?
north torrent
The constitution says people have the right to own gun, ok then. Let's be like Japan and let people have guns after they have proven they have gone through 10 different steps to prove they can be trusted with one.
Just because someone has the right to own something doesn't mean we can't have a licensing system.
You can't drive a car without a license and I have yet to see anyone complain about their right to own a car.
rigid shoal
Shit, according to the 2nd, I'm supposed to be allowed to own an F-35.
Just let me keep my hassle-free guns. 😦
north torrent
If you get an f-35 license I won't complain.
Just have to explain to the government why you need one.
rigid shoal
Didn't Magic the Gathering remove "racist" cards?
Go-lang wanted to replace their "master" branch with "main". And they also got rid of "whitelist"/"blacklist" terms too, I think.
north torrent
Prove that you can keep it in a safe place away from small children.
placid thistle
Gen Z can't handle orcs
north torrent
Wizard of the Coast is free to do what Wizard of the Coast wants. Unless you hate freedom.
Do you hate freedom, Mr. Motorsep?
spare glade
Except own guns without a licence.
placid thistle
can't let Russians have guns like in US..
north torrent
For the near future you can own guns without a license. But pretty soon that will be a thing of the past.
Or I will personally come and take your guns away.
rigid shoal
It's just really strange to me that the people who hate guns also really hate the police.
I just want to be safe at home, pls.
spare glade
Id say you will end up with a bullet or 2 before long with that attitude lol.
placid thistle
it always puzzled me why don't they do psych check along with background check
rigid shoal
I think they do.
Like if you've been to a psych ward, it's ... maybe? I'm not really sure.
north torrent
The people who take your guns will be just as armed as you, but in most cases they will wait till you go to work and then go into your house while you are not at home.
spare glade
Ironic that you think you need to use violence in order to take away something from someone your claiming is causing violence regardless of whether or not that person actually committed violence in the first place.
placid thistle
I think not having evil races in games is more critical than not having a gun
north torrent
In most US states the law doesn't allow you to buy a gun if you have domestic violence charges.
But it is pretty much never enforced.
Almost every mass shooter had domestic violence charges and still legally bough guns because nobody bothered to care.
I never said I wanted to take guns away because they cause violence, Mr. Boatswain.
rigid shoal
But, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if guns rights get nearly completely eroded.
A lot of states already make gun ownership difficult if not impossible.
placid thistle
not Texas
north torrent
I want to be part of taking people's guns away just to make the gun nuts mad.
I am not a nice person, and I have no moral high ground to want to do this.
spare glade
You want chaos for the sake of chaos...
north torrent
I am mad because corporation stock buybacks are destroying the economic future of my home, and until that gets fixed I am all for chaos and retaliation against the people who support those kinds of politicians.
Long story short, I want to see Republicans cry.
rigid shoal
What are your thoughts on illegal immigrants, Mao?
Because a lot of your hate for corporate buybacks is also related towards illegal immigration.
north torrent
I don't have any.
rigid shoal
But you do see how those two are related?
north torrent
They are not, but I am not going down that rabbit hole today.
If you want to have that discussion and you promise to stay on topic and not keep changing the goal post every 5 minutes, we can discuss it another day.
I'll let you choose which topics you want to discuss and I will just call you out if you try to step outside of that range of topics.
rigid shoal
I have no goal posts to move.
But the point is that if you dislike corporate buybacks negatively affecting workers, you should also dislike illegal immigration/liberal work visas.
It's just to get cheap labor -- borderline slave labor. And it also takes jobs away from Americans.
north torrent
Well first of all you are assuming because I am against one thing that I am for another.
That is already a fallacy and a bad faith argument showing you don't respect the debate.
And the rest of your point is kind of irrelevant compared to the outsourcing of factory jobs to third world countries. But like I said, I am not going to discuss that at this point in time because I have already discussed two topics today.
zinc matrix
people do not deserve to live in harm's way. Some nations see no incentive to improve themselves and the lives of those affected by such harm.
foggy path
Is this work visa thing some kind of new breitbart scheme? all of a sudden after Trump talked about it there's suddenly "experts" everywhere explaining how work visas are practically slave labor...
They'd rather the cheap workers stay in their own countries
(^this is a joke don't take it too seriously)
rigid shoal
I didn't assume your position on the matter. I asked, and I made similarities to the two.
And is it not abusive labor? The only reason why I'm vaguely aware of it is because I vaguely work in tech where H1-B is popular, and I've heard some stories about it.
foggy path
I have no idea tbh
I have a friend who's in tech who is in the US on a "genius visa" as he called it
that's all I know about american work visas lol
rigid shoal
I don't know much about it. But I read some things that companies treat those H1-B people poorly, knowing that they're desperate to stay in America.
north torrent
Because corporations in the US only care about short-term stock gains and cutting costs to buy back more stock, they get rid of jobs for US workers. They then manufacture everything overseas. Mr. Ponkkis.
It is a very bad practice that only benefits the very top-top-top guys at any company where everyone else gets shafted.
rigid shoal
I think people have been complaining about outsourcing for a long time. But still, outsourcing, buy backs, illegal immigration, abuse of work visas are all related.
north torrent
If you want my quick answer, Mr. Floss, it is that immigration does cheapen labor for certain jobs in the US, but it is only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the amount that large companies outsourcing to China and other places cheapens labor.
So to me arguing about immigration is like arguing over saving 35 cents on your grocery bill while your landlord adds a $400 fee to your rent and you don't notice.
I think the immigration debate is a distraction from a bigger issue.
I think people have been complaining about outsourcing for a long time. But still, $500, $14,000, 16 cents, 2 cents are all related.
That's how I read your statement, Mr. Floss, when put into scale.
rigid shoal
Alright, I don't know if the full extent of what those amount to, but what I meant to ask was how you felt about those philosophically.
north torrent
So if I were to say there were flat out not related that would be wrong. But simply put I am not concerned enough to have an opinion I would stand by on the issue of immigration.
rigid shoal
And illegal immigration is for the jobs that couldn't be outsourced. So those don't really overlap with each other.
north torrent
Those are not factual amounts but my best estimate from analyzing the things I know. I would get real numbers but I am not going into a third topic today.
My short answer, Mr. Floss is that I want to see a United States where there are 500x as many people with $2million dollars and a huge reduction in people with $120 billion dollars. ($120,000,000,000).
People in the United States generally do not want to be out fixing roofs in the middle of the summer in Arizona or out picking Avocado in a field.
So am I morally against giving immigrants green cards to do the jobs United States citizens don't want to do? No, I am not. Do I think it hurts people in the United States from getting the jobs they want for a living wage? No, I do not.
Manufacturing jobs however, people do want those.
Not that that is relevant economically to the discussion of immigration, but you asked philosophically.
rigid shoal
Alright, that's fine.
I personally think it does take a significant amount of jobs away, but I could be wrong.
But I don't think the corporate buyback thing is as bad as you think it is.
Regardless of stock buybacks, they would still act the same, is what I mean.
The only reason why stock buybacks were not allowed in the first place was because it was seen as stock manipulation, I think.
north torrent
My solution to this problem is simply.
If your company receives government grants, tax subsidies, or government contracts, and then you go outsource all the jobs, you lose the copyright and patent rights.
The research and patent become open source and available to the free market to compete with you.
The tax payers paid for your success and you can't simply go take it to another country now and reap the profits for yourself.
foggy path
Don't say the t word, the americans don't like the t word
alpine fern
also delete all patents that are not actively being used to produce the thing at a reasonable price
north torrent
- No more corporate stock buybacks
- Take patents and copyrights away from companies that are doing bad for America an/or companies like Google/Facebook who violate privacy laws
- Cap CEO pay for only companies that have 5% of their employees on welfare
Then let the free market do its thing. 3 steps to 'Free Market' utopia.
This doesn't include healthcare which is a different discussion. I can explain 'Free Market Capitalist Utopia Healthcare' or FMCUH for short at a different time...
alpine fern
you should not be able to hog a technology and prevent others from using it without actually using it yourself
north torrent
Patent and copyright law is a huge area in which reform is needed in the digital age.
But corporate stock buybacks are not a symptom of the corporate fat cats... it is the cause.
Corporate stock buybacks are not an issue with the economy, they are THE ONLY issue.@rigid shoal
rigid shoal
Amazon doesn't do stock buybacks (they also don't seem to care about their stock) and they aren't known for treating their workers well.
But even if companies couldn't do buybacks, a lot of people associated with those companies still want short-term gains. Without buybacks, they just couldn't force it upwards. It don't think it would really change much.
Trump did mention about wanting to remove quarterly reports in favor of 6 months. I thought that was a pretty cool idea.
foggy path
During his entire presidency the man has had one good idea 
rigid shoal
Too bad it doesn't look like it will go in effect. 🤷
foggy path
I wonder how would 6 month reporting interval benefit Trump tho, no way he's just gonna bring that up for the good of american people...
I guess in theory it might reduce the amount of reporting needed which might save some money, on the other hand that seems too trivial of a thing
north torrent
Donald T Rump is literally suffering from dementia and will just say whatever random thing pops into his old man brain.
I would not be surprised if one day he just say, "I think universal healthcare would be great for small businesses" on a whim and then totally forgets about it 5 minutes later.
winged hazel
brace for 2020's #3 boss fight: Caribbean Dust Cloud
rigid shoal
But we didn't even beat the previous bosses.
winged hazel
triple threat my man, triple threat...
foggy path
there's a volcano in iceland which also might erupt!
not that it matters much right now I guess since those usually tend to just cause problems with flights, and nobody is flying currently anyway
rich quiver
its 4 days of dust cloud for me @winged hazel
the last time was this was big was 50 years ago
winged hazel
we're getting a couple days of it too I think
gonna put our two lone n95s to double duty :P
north torrent
2020 has been pretty ok for me so far. In 14 more days I will be mostly recovered from the financial problems it has provided me.
foggy path
2020 has been pretty normal for me tbh :p
None of this has really affected my daily routines besides just not going out to eat as much which is not really a very big deal
winged hazel
well, we've learned how to stock the fridge up
north torrent
I like staying inside away from people.
I did get stuck in a government quarantine facility for 14 days, and it has taken me months to get my stuff from my old apartment.
I finally got my ultrawide monitor back... Too bad the guy forgot to send the power cable, so now I am waiting for that.
mild root
there's a volcano in iceland which also might erupt!
Bad for icelanders, I guess
abstract haven
Due to national security concerns, the use of geographic information in the People's Republic of China is restricted to entities that obtain a special authorization from the administrative department for surveying and mapping under the State Council.[1] Consequences of the restriction include fines for unauthorized surveys, lack of geotagging information on many cameras when the GPS chip detects a location within China, incorrect alignment of street maps with satellite maps in various applications,[2] and seeming unlawfulness of crowdsourced mapping efforts such as OpenStreetMap.[3]
does this mean Chinese phones cant geotag their photos?
mild root
Chinese can't do many other things as well
They have massive internet censorship for many years
abstract haven
I am not sure if they dont sote the geotag info because that is pretty valuable data, especially for training AI
mild root
And you are surprised of another dumb restriction
abstract haven
but it seems like they prohibit users from accessing the data
I live in China btw @mild root
but yeah, seems p dumb to me
its one of those "you cant have your cake and eat it" scenarios
mild root
I partially understand you. I live in eastern europe and we still have echoes of communism
abstract haven
As a consequence, major digital camera manufacturers including Panasonic, Leica, FujiFilm, Nikon and Samsung restrict location information within China.[10]
well, probably gonna be controversial here but I dont think communism is bad, its just every time its tried they never represent the values of actual communism, for example here, it has the highest rate of wealth inequality in the world (except some tiny edge case countries), so how is that communist, lol
foggy path
it's only controversial for those who don't really know about it :P
in theory it should be a good system but somehow in practice it gets turned into a shitty dictatorship usually lol
abstract haven
yep, humans ruin everything
north torrent
Correlation is not causation.
foggy path
there were points in the history of the soviet union where they legitimately looked like they could have competed
but as we know it didn't quite work out in the end
north torrent
Just like more red cars are fast than white cars. That doesn't mean painting a car red will make it fast.
I honestly think that people in China are on average happier than people in the United States. I think a lot of it has to do with not having Twitter and Facebook arguments and literally hating half the people in your own country over trolls on the internet sparking flames.
winged hazel
right, and people in detention camps are the happiest
north torrent
Do I use a VPN to access thing, yes.
Do I think the world is better off having social media where people can just say anything and everything, no.
mild root
Communism is not bad fundamentally, e.g. it doesn't set clearly goals of genocide, but lack of social discussion, self regulation and institutional mechanisms may lead and will always lead to tragic consequences, without consequential reformation of society. It applies to any non-democratic power model. That's why communism commited quite a few genocides, including one against my nation and family, and that's why communism is my personal enemy
foggy path
tbh people were always able to say whatever they wanted online
it just used to be more compartmentalized
north torrent
I think China still has a smaller percentage of their people imprisoned than the US.
Sucks to be imprissoned unfairly either way though.
winged hazel
smaller percentage sure, chinese prisoners tend to die faster
north torrent
That is true.
I still don't think people in glass houses should throw stones though.
proven thorn
@north torrent There is an interesting concept that as more problems get solved, harder and harder problems become the main upset.
i.e No one cares if they are self fulfilled if they can't find enough food to eat
mild root
Maslow's pyramid?
north torrent
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.
I was actually designing a game off that at one point.
proven thorn
That's certainly one way to look at it