westerners use guns so its instant, theres no bleeding out
#lounge
pearl elk
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra do you really compare yourself with dumb animals?
fathom wadi
I know animals with more sense than humans
pearl elk
Crocs are pretty humane, they will shove you under a log while you drown
depends how hungry they are though
zinc matrix
do people here now understand why it is better to eat only plant based diet?
no pain, no suffering
fathom wadi
When there is no grain to eat, no fertile land to grow on, a human would eat their best friend when it comes down to it. Vegetarians and vegans who virtue signal would be the first to ask for a piece of "fred's leg"
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi its already known that everybody can be vegan with fake meat on plate
no prob
pearl elk
Im sure everyone here knows pain is a large part of what defines them as a person and dont see it as all negative since its an opportunity for growth
zinc matrix
just read a bit about it
fathom wadi
like I say, Ive no problem with veganism. Just dont want virtue signalling with bullshit facts thats all
my wife is a vegan
pearl elk
Ive actually read plenty of articles which talk about why this whole "positive vibes only" thing is bad for mental health
zinc matrix
thanks .)
primal spoke
Ok
zinc matrix
@pearl elk and ive read why all this non positive talk is not good for you 🙂
fathom wadi
@pearl elk thats why I speak my mind and I sound angry a lot Mons. I get it out of my system. Im not holding back for someone else's sake. I have my own issues :p
rotund tundra
i understand why it's better to move to a plant based died, but not because of 'feels' or lack of...
primal spoke
Im on mobile so slow typing
fathom wadi
@primal spoke you would type 10% slower on a vegan diet :p
bronze axle
No diet is right for everyone. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
fathom wadi
et voila !
pearl elk
I dont see the point in discussing diets, unless youre trying to sell me something
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra so why do you say no to eating pets, but yes to eating cattle? it's both an animal. it's alive, can suffer, can feel sadness, loneliness and so on.
and cattle babies are also cute to look at
like cats
fathom wadi
@pearl elk psssst. I've got some colloidal silver if yers is interested
primal spoke
I strive to eat as plant based as possible, specifically whole foods.
Vegan is an ideal.
Idea*
rotund tundra
look, i just am thankful for the food i'm eating, and try to be respectful.. it hurts me to knwo the state of the food industry.. but should i help and protect the zebra from a lion?
he has to eat to
we have to eat
it is what it is
fathom wadi
I have potatoes as my main diet. Everything is with, or made from, potatoes. I do eat meat though because meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty goddamn good 😄
primal spoke
Most vegans are not really vegans, but on a plant based diet.
pearl elk
If every meal is a feast then no meal is a feast
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra are you not thankful for living in a place, where you can survive healthy and with good taste on a plant-based diet?
mossy nexus
You know humans have incisors? You wonder why? Nature and evolution going hand in hand.
rotund tundra
i'm in no position to judge who is more worthy to be eaten or left alive
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra we had it earlier. plants dont feel anything important to not be eaten
rotund tundra
who are you to decide what is anything important
mossy nexus
^
bronze axle
Just to be clear: a plant-based diet makes you vegetarian, not vegan.
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra a smart human with brain.
pretty simple - to be honest - it's not hard to grasp the idea of protecting. but it's easy to not care and think about it. and just ignore it.
mossy nexus
so a humanitarian eats humans? 🤔
bronze axle
In all seriousness: this conversation is fine. Just remember to keep it civil, honest, and criticize ideas rather than people. ❤️
fathom wadi
Energy does not disappear, it dissipates. Einstein said that. So in that sense, you are eating someone's previous lives
rotund tundra
if anything, i would say eating rocks is okay, because they dont have any feelings or senstations 🙂
fluid bloom
stop the trolling already
zinc matrix
if you care so much about plants, you should not eat them
fathom wadi
Lets change the subject in a subtle way with a huge link. https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/join-the-unreal-fast-track-student-challenge-and-learn-unreal-engine-online-this-spring
zinc matrix
primal spoke
Lol
zinc matrix
here you go
mossy nexus
Plants like music. Not all plants like the same music. Sounds like decision making going on there 😄
rotund tundra
all i'm saying is that all life should be equal
fathom wadi
thats not true
zinc matrix
@rotund tundra its not if you pay for killing.
bronze axle
@fathom wadi I posted about that in #unreal-news. Looks like a killer opportunity for students!
fathom wadi
Hitler shouldnt have been treated equally
fluid bloom
plants also grow towards sound of running water 🤔
zinc matrix
you aer the last person who should talk about fairness.
you're a human.
just like I thought. even if you get symptomless covid, you will have lung damage https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/ryct.2020200110?fbclid=IwAR10SZ4I0ORtt5eu9wz55JaMJLfeRhg-mgfNsABwnbksoSClINKVXvHA7OU&
bronze axle
Fairness is a human concept.
zinc matrix
and you, non vegan, still don't apply fairness onto your plate. - hypocrite
primal spoke
The f word
fathom wadi
damn I am 25 years too late 😦
rotund tundra
yes i do, i eat everything equally 🙂
zinc matrix
even tho plants don't feel?
primal spoke
Vegans are more than their diet
pearl elk
Im gonna only eat plants but have 5 children who each have 5 children who each have 5 children... and so on
primal spoke
It's a lifestyle
bronze axle
^
primal spoke
Not a diet
mossy nexus
Plants do feel, they may not feel the same way as animals but hey ho.
bronze axle
That's correct. Veganism is a holistic lifestyle, not a diet.
zinc matrix
@mossy nexus hey ho what? that is not an argument against not eating meat.
fathom wadi
in all fairness, my wife chose veganism because she despises factory farming. No other reason. She will eat meat if she absolutely has to though.
mossy nexus
I'm not making an argument to not eat meat. Just pointing out that your thoughts that plants don't feel is rather closed minded.
pearl elk
you dont have to be a vegan to share those concerns though
fathom wadi
yep. if we all saw how our food was made, we would lose our appetite, until we had one again.
zinc matrix
@mossy nexus its not. cause they dont feel anything. as you also know.
pearl elk
well ofcoarse you have to be if youre talking to a vegan 😛
fluid bloom
I wish we had food replicators from star trek so I wouldn't have to read this
fathom wadi
@pearl elk I sometimes mess with her when she asks me what I want for dinner and I say "chicken, and punch it in the face first, it tastes better"
pearl elk
cuz diet choice is the only way to gain moral superiority and force people into conformance
mossy nexus
You can say that again and again, but we both know you cannot prove it. So stop trying to be smart, it's not working 😄
zinc matrix
it's not know if plants can feel pain or similiar. but we know that animals do.
fluid bloom
define feeling pain
pearl elk
we execute humans, how you feel about that in your plant based diet 🙂
rotund tundra
in the end, the plants eat you
zinc matrix
@fluid bloom come to germany and will show you
fluid bloom
I've been there few times
pearl elk
yummy criminal rump
zinc matrix
is't it painful to see germany?
bronze axle
🤔
primal spoke
I heard Berlin has a huge population of vegans
pearl elk
I think plants eat animals so why shouldnt we 🙂
zinc matrix
@pearl elk cause you are a lot smarter than a cow or pig. right?
you can choose the better option
you don't have to follow em
pearl elk
It has nothing to do with intelligence
bronze axle
Pitcher plants are a fascinating example of carnivorous plants.
mossy nexus
yup, or venus fly traps or others
zinc matrix
my carni plants died very quickly
stupid things
kill that shit
EAT IT
i ddi lol
pearl elk
I eat based purely by taste, yup some junk is very bad for me, its not even animal based but I still go for it
zinc matrix
what iwanna tell you is, carnivores are inefficient
bronze axle
@zinc matrix Can you explain why you think carnivores are inefficient?
pearl elk
get that thick creamy corn syrup in ya
zinc matrix
no idea lol
pearl elk
try to live on just that see how you go 😛
bronze axle
You have no idea what backs the assertion you just made?
primal spoke
carnivores are not efficient at endurance tasks
median wraith
I don't want to know what's on the cup of you avatar tbh
fathom wadi
Honestly I semi-agree with the carnivores are less efficient thing, as when you eat meat, you put your body to work in digesting it. That energy could go elsewhere. I get sluggish from carbohydrates too though so it goes both ways.
rotund tundra
maybe he meant how the whole meat industry is inefficient regarding resource usage (land, water, plants)
mossy nexus
Soo you just think of something, say it and claim it's true? Real intelligent way of convincing people you know what you're talking about.
pearl elk
so herbivores are more efficient at endurance tasks and thats why they taste so good?
primal spoke
But to say they are not efficient in general makes no sense
fathom wadi
it does
primal spoke
Efficient at what?
zinc matrix
@bronze axle i think they aint
fathom wadi
anything that requires energy
zinc matrix
just believes
fathom wadi
it may be micro-amounts of efficiency but energy is energy
bronze axle
@fathom wadi But plants have to be digested for nutrients, too. Especially plants high in soluble fiber.
primal spoke
We're talking energy efficiency?
pearl elk
whats the best fertilizer again?
fathom wadi
yeah potatoes make me sleepy from the carbs. So it does work both ways
pearl elk
cuz youre going to need alot more of that fertilizer to put everyone onto a plant based diet, sounds efficient
primal spoke
Animal fat is very efficient energy store
fathom wadi
@pearl elk horse poop 😄
rotund tundra
we waste so much energy compared to plant life, and since we dont know what our purpose is, let's assume it's just to continue the species, in that regard we are inefficient af
bronze axle
We make our own purpose.
primal spoke
Animal fat is very efficient energy store
fathom wadi
this conversation is inefficient. I think I'll duck out 😄
bronze axle
😂
pearl elk
I'll chicken out... yumm chicken
mossy nexus
Why not carrot out, why duck?? hmmm?
primal spoke
Cals per gram
pearl elk
messages per point
bronze axle
I'm just sitting here trying to generate a new SSL cert for my Perforce server. Fun times.
mossy nexus
10 points to Gryffindor
primal spoke
Swipe swipe swipe
bronze axle
What was supposed to be a quick meeting has been delayed by 1 hour because our cert expired. Worst timing.
zinc matrix
rotund tundra
could blame it on timing if it was random... 😛
zinc matrix
where is s13 tho?
primal spoke
I think it went from s10 to s20
But IDK if I should upgrade from S8+
I got S8+ on day 1
so, are the youngsters on vacation from schools? theres been alot angry people around today
@zinc matrix man you have no idea
Unless you do.
bronze axle
In my state, schools are closed for the remainder of the academic year.
primal spoke
They haven't closed for year yet in Texas.
rotund tundra
our whole school system switched online
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRrfnvGQG1I this is me during the lockdown
primal spoke
Teacher sends assignments and we teach
rotund tundra
sort of the same here.. which drives a lot of parents insane
pearl elk
pfft schools, what a silly old idea
its really great for creating bottlenecks in society though
primal spoke
nm
zinc matrix
@primal spoke why
fathom wadi
Electric Six have to be the most under-rated band in the world.
zinc matrix
@pearl elk is that a typical vegan?
could be me
but vegans are much more healthier than no nvegans
oh. this could be a rarely found vegan then. this could be me on a vegan burger diet
6 burger per day haha
fathom wadi
I know plenty of dead vegans. I win
Im not
Im gonna evolve into a spiritual energy that goes back into the soul of the earth and replenishes what was lost
bronze axle
Spooky. I bet they're a time traveler.
Well, I finally renewed my Perforce server's SSL cert and was able to start the service again.
alpine fern
maybe they were talking about a movie called "tomorrow"
bronze axle
It only took 1.5 hours. 😒
fathom wadi
I had to use a shared one last time I bothered with it. So I didn't need to do anything really. I recall there was a dummy one I could use too in case it went down. But never needed it
bronze axle
It was a pain in the ass, like most things with Perforce are.
But it's done, so I can move on with my day.
Actually - I'm going to write notes about this for my future self.
alpine fern
idk what you are doing but I just used the script that comes with the package based install and it just works™️, no need to do anything special to have ssl work etc
bronze axle
It's an expired cert, not a new one.
I was renewing.
There are docs for doing it, I just ran into some issues with the instructions in the docs.
alpine fern
why would it expire 
bronze axle
The self-generated cert that comes with the helix-p4d package expires after 2 years.
alpine fern
interesting
bronze axle
It's not unusual. All SSL certs expire eventually. Depending on the software you're using it for, it might be setup to auto-renew and you don't have to think about it.
What's unusual is that Perforce has their own little process for generating a new cert.
alpine fern
sounds like, something interesting is about to happen to my p4 server in about two weeks
alpine fern
that would be nice
bronze axle
I was going to write it down anyways. May as well save others from this pain! 😄
alpine fern
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi and you know much more non vegans who died
like even if you look at percentages.
youll find less dead vegans per 100 humans than dead non vegans
no wait.
alpine fern
...that's because there are less vegans in total
zinc matrix
i dont get it. forget it
noooo i mean
how do you say
no idea
i mean like.... 1 out of 10 vegans are dead, and with non vegans it would be more like 3 out of 10
bold fulcrum
Ah, lovely vegan talks in lounge!
zinc matrix
why is your name death
fathom wadi
@zinc matrix I think you missed the point. Bruce Lee was the pinnacle of fitness. Died young. Your health doesn't determine your superiority to other people. If you think like that, then you are going to have a sharp realisation the first time you face death. As the saying goes, you only live twice.
signal citrus
talk that is vegan
zinc matrix
@fathom wadi but the chance are better for you if you are more plant-based
fathom wadi
no its not
zinc matrix
what
fathom wadi
I said no its not
fathom wadi
ahh cmon now. You are just being annoying.
zinc matrix
no idea why you think this
alpine fern
who cares what the chances are
you are also more likely to not die if you live in an underground bunker
zinc matrix
Zhanches
tulip orbit
❤️ eating 🐓🦃🐈🐩🐀🐿️
zinc matrix
u no protecting
tulip orbit
meat is delicious
zinc matrix
with a bit skills you can have umami without killing
tulip orbit
wheres the fun in that?
zinc matrix
ok then
neon iris
Shush now. Eat your crickets
zinc matrix
cri what
neon iris
Eh. Mealworms taste better but people tend to get turned off by the sight
signal citrus
crunchy
tulip orbit
I only eat bugs in my sleep
pearl elk
how could you possibly think you have an opinion while being an omnivore
neon iris
Baked mealworms with salt and vinegar is 👌
signal citrus
make sure that its organic salt
fathom wadi
Im gonna become a breatharian. Then I can live forever because I have nothing bad in my system.
signal citrus
preferably himalayan and from the sea
pearl elk
what if you eat an evil animal is that okay?
rotund tundra
I wonder do vegans also convert their pets to plant based diets ?
pearl elk
like what if this cow was going around hurting other cows, breaking fences, just causing destruction
you know like if Hitler was a cow
bronze axle
What happens if you eat a ghost?
neon iris
Come now. Gotta save all the arsehole rooster that’s killing the hens
fathom wadi
it falls in love with you
pearl elk
you go on a die...t
plucky pagoda
Do you have to use their certs?
pearl elk
dont some female praying mantis eat their mates?
like during mating just chomp, yummy brains
neon iris
Rarely. Only if she’s starving
rotund tundra
there's some other species too not only mants
neon iris
The original study did just that and proclaimed it as normal behavior
pearl elk
yeah like that alien from the movie Species
signal citrus
peacock spiders
bold fulcrum
🥬
neon iris
Spiders definitely have a tendency however
pearl elk
she killed all the mates which wernt compatible, didnt even eat em, what a waste of meat
what if the animal consents to being eaten? Maybe we can make smart cows and give em a hand to sign documents with\
Theyd be like, I agree to 5 years free food and shelter, free funeral but my corpse is donated to science 😛
bold fulcrum
We gotta give em something in return, if we intend to get consents.
bold fulcrum
So far so good. What a fate awaits cows, who refuse to sign ?
neon iris
plucky pagoda
same as those that don't
median wraith
I wonder do vegans also convert their pets to plant based diets ?
@rotund tundra there was a woman in the TV that did it, until someone gave meal to the dog and ran for it
bold fulcrum
Aaaahhh! Illusion of choice!
pearl elk
cows who refuse to sign go live with the vegans I suppose
they obviously can afford to take care of em 🙂
plucky pagoda
Some do. I dated a girl that only fed her dogs this vegetarian dog food.
She was a little off though.
bold fulcrum
Well, I guess you add several years and guarantee fast end, that sounds like a bargain.
median wraith
We are free to keep at our home, isn't it?
plucky pagoda
This is the stupidest thing. I thought I'd check Lowes to order some stuff and they are only allowing 10 unique items per order right now while charging $70 for delivery.
median wraith
@plucky pagoda that sound like the typical person from online apps, vegan, traveler and climber
pearl elk
It was only a matter of time before the profiteering started
median wraith
And probably works in a hospital or an asylum
neon iris
Ah here we go. Enjoy https://youtu.be/bAF35dekiAY?t=70
plucky pagoda
I've spent most of my life on a vegan diet. Any group has some percentage of vocal nuts.
My ex was one of them for sure. and a nurse.
primal spoke
I'm eating chips and drinking Dr. Pepper cream soda... vegan af.
No seriously, I am.
It's plant based not vegan.
pearl elk
Im eating cheese and onion chips and drinking water... Im a fail vegan
plucky pagoda
Just made some tuna melts
median wraith
@plucky pagoda you still vegan?
signal citrus
what kind of chips are vegan?
primal spoke
Chemicals in the soda probably tested on animals
plucky pagoda
No.
primal spoke
Therefore not vegan
pearl elk
are tacos animal products?
neon iris
Corn is watered will blood yes 😜
pearl elk
the blood of Monsantos enemies
primal spoke
Tacos de frijoles
median wraith
@plucky pagoda a book could be written with the kind of people in these places tbh haha, includes the "open minded"
signal citrus
au has bayer too?
pearl elk
I think I had tacos with that animal free mince
pearl elk
the animals were like free from the chains of humanities slavery before becoming mince
so I think they are in a better place now
neon iris
Taste of freedom
signal citrus
spicy, freedom
pearl elk
you guys know about burger heaven right?
primal spoke
Cubans make tacos like that?
pearl elk
its right next to the dog star and its especially for cows
primal spoke
Thought Cubans were more empanadas kind of folk
median wraith
@pearl elk except if these just reincarnate
signal citrus
i'm really not a fan of placeholder vegan foods
pearl elk
oh no, I hope Im not eating the same cow over and over again... thats horrifying for the poor animal
median wraith
Cubans don't make tacos, put the fu frijoles directly
pearl elk
its like staaahp hoomun stahp eatin me
rotund tundra
placeholder?
signal citrus
yeah like vegan jerky
median wraith
Fu King
pearl elk
Fu King Jerky
neon iris
Blah indeed. Just make a tasty vegetable dish
signal citrus
yeah totally
primal spoke
I had some paella at a Cuban restaurant last month
pearl elk
Id rather eat raw carrot than fake jerky
signal citrus
otherwise its just like, how to disguise soy as something else again
median wraith
Paella it's from Spain don't get lied
primal spoke
IK
The first time I ate it was a Spanish restaurant in San Diego.
Best Spanish dish imo
rotund tundra
i'm a fan of a dish they have in one of our 'spanish' restaurants... but it's with broccoli .. is that common over there?
signal citrus
broccoli can be found here yeah
rotund tundra
in spain?
pearl elk
what if you eat a plant that grew say on a battlefield where heaps of people died, technically it was on a diet of people so is that vegan?
rotund tundra
i thought europe has cauliflower
median wraith
Idk there but usually the restaurants that claim they do traditional food from a country its like when Jamie Oliver does their versions
neon iris
It’s like Spain is part of international trade or something 😜
primal spoke
Also had paella at Joe's crab shack.
pearl elk
apparently oil is like dinosaur juice so no ones cars are vegan
median wraith
Brócoli yeah
signal citrus
ish joes crab shack lol, i'm suprized there is more than one of these now. unless you live in minnesota near a shopping mall
neon iris
Most oil comes from the Carboniferous period
median wraith
We don't put brócoli other than in 2 things
neon iris
Which is ironically from algae 😜
primal spoke
They closed the one I ate the paella in
signal citrus
the one here keeps closing and reopening like a ghost
neon iris
The age of giant insect 😄
median wraith
Yeah coliflor and brócoli are different purposes
bold fulcrum
carboniferous sounds like a defence spell, with a short cast time.
rotund tundra
but is brocoli in your traditional dishes?
pearl elk
giant insect, sounds like there might have been giant plants which ate said insects
I mean if you want to suck the blood from a dinosaur you got to be a pretty big mosquito
neon iris
Good question actually
median wraith
@rotund tundra no really
signal citrus
i bet their blood isn't mcuh further down than other things?
pearl elk
I just assume everything we have now is like miniatures of what was around in the past
primal spoke
Those were probably a real thing minus the talking
neon iris
Modern day carnivorous plants are all flowers. But nature loves convergent evolution
Surely there were carnivorous plants
signal citrus
are carnivorous plants vegan?
bold fulcrum
some of them are
signal citrus
i wonder if there is a vegan discord server
pearl elk
well theres ferns around which are descendant from old ones and no current herbivores eat em but I think there probably was a time when it was a dominant part of a big herbivores diet
neon iris
Sure. They just die really quickly 😜
median wraith
I bet there is more than one
signal citrus
lol 😂
median wraith
Twitter should be the epicenter
signal citrus
vegan discords probably just derail instantly
fathom wadi
Mike Cernovich made a documentary about how the powers that be use the terminology of "fake news" to discredit and break people's legitimacy.... and Amazon just banned it. Talk about calling them out to their face.
median wraith
Isn't illegal at Italy to be vegan when you're pregnant or feed your kids with only vegan things?
signal citrus
not because vegan but just opinions
bold fulcrum
World could have been much more interesting.
Just imagine sunflower being able to shoot poisoned darts at you, and your daily route to work goes just though sunflower field.
fathom wadi
neon iris
Huh. You may be right. Modern day is just a miniaturization of everything
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototaxites
pearl elk
you know what though, almonds and soy plantations are the source of alot of poor water regulations in the US and Australia
its worse than Nestle
signal citrus
have you heard of norwegian salmon?
pearl elk
nope, cant say I have but I had a quick search
signal citrus
its rough
pearl elk
Bit like bananas aye
signal citrus
damn, whats wrong with bananas?
bold fulcrum
But..
rotund tundra
google didnt give me the tldr, just a bunch of stock continues to fall
signal citrus
but bananas are good
rotund tundra
what was with salmon
median wraith
There is no English difference between platano and banana in the poor English isn't it?
signal citrus
almost no regulation para, its like eating poison
we have plantains hev
they make good chips
signal citrus
lol
bold fulcrum
Shhhpider!!!!
pearl elk
bananas are cavendish most were wiped out by panama disease, its all a lie
only real bananas give you a 1up
rotund tundra
on killing shit with flamethrowers from a distance.. i find it funny how we are the kill masters of the universe, yet can't frag this covid-19 for good
pearl elk
Im sure we could have killed everyone who got it early on
primal spoke
Hold on so bananas are bad?
pearl elk
bananas are a lie
alpine fern
bananas don't exist, you only think you saw them before
primal spoke
Original inedible
pearl elk
you cant be told what a banana is you have to see it for yourself
primal spoke
Different kind of bananas now
So you're saying those are not because they are so much different than original?
pearl elk
I dunno what Im saying, maybe something about how diets change over generations out of necessity not always choice
Having the choice of what to eat is a fairly modern concept tbh
pearl elk
the bananas all died so we replaced em with cavendish
kinda like when cows get mad cow and we have to kill em
primal spoke
Most of them have been breed or breaded
Whichever the word
It's all GMO technically
pearl elk
plants arnt impervious to disease so we have to diversify our food sources if we want to keep our choices plentiful
rotund tundra
bred?
pearl elk
dead bread rebreadsion
primal spoke
That's how we have been able to feed such a growing population
GMO been around for 100s of years
pearl elk
if you were born in the wild west you might eat chickens simply because cactus tastes like crap
pearl elk
it hasnt even been 100 years since the great depression
primal spoke
They have snot in them
pearl elk
I think some people were chewing on wood during that one
could be why a few humans have evolved to eat metal
pearl elk
li-ion is abit tinny tasting, I preferred the ni-cad
pearl elk
theres heaps of sodium is lots of foods, its tricky to stick to the recommended amounts
if there was one thing I was gonna cut down on itd be sodium forsure
primal spoke
If you want to know what sodium deficiency feels like go on an extended water fast
rotund tundra
body developed over the years to the died also.. or why can't i go to india and eat all their street food and be okay?
pearl elk
lol nah I just dont want to be taking 3x recommended intakes daily is all
median wraith
You don't need metals or minerals if you're tattooed
pearl elk
if you go overseas you get sick just drinking the water, thats why its good to have some local probiotics
Trust me you dont want to be a time traveller, youd probably die from something really stupid like a stomach bug
Go back in time, oh I'll have a bottle of spring water... you what mate, all we got is a horse trough
fathom wadi
thats an amazingly perceptive outlook on time travel.
pearl elk
Ive done alot of reading, I cant really take credit for it 🙂
rotund tundra
true, but taking bacteria and such out of the equation, you think your body would equaly process the foods as say the eskimos for example?
fathom wadi
I've eaten pot noodles. I can eat anything
pearl elk
I dont think so tbh, there are some cultures which have cheese heavy diets and they are fine so its pretty clear the local diet has changed the people in those parts to suit.
Thats kinda what Im getting at is even if you have a choice, even if its the right choice for your cultural background it aint gonna work for everyone. If people have lived off a fish diet for centuries its quite possible they cant live on an alternate diet even if they wanted to.
fathom wadi
Imagine going back in time and giving them our food. They would call it what it is. Poison
fathom wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOub_6Ph5S0 new Public Enemy song.
primal spoke
Dopamine
bronze axle
All this survival talk reminds me of a Werner Herzog documentary about life in a Siberian village.
primal spoke
Sounds like a blast
bronze axle
How they find happiness even though they live in what many of us would consider uninhabitable conditions.
Pretty eye-opening stuff.
fathom wadi
I can believe that. I bet more people have realised real happiness from this tragedy than would usually occur on a daily basis. We are designed to make the best of the worst situations. We just happen to have a comfortable life for the most part, depending where you live.
pearl elk
Ive had to live in some pretty rough out of the way places here so I guess I have abit of an appreciation for what I have, for the choices I can actually make. Id hate to have lived where I grew up without modern facilities, it woulda been damn near impossible since its all salt lakes
bronze axle
In the same way I'm accustomed to storing wood for fires, these people store blocks of ice to melt for water.
fathom wadi
I've slept on the streets. I relish being locked in my house right now.
my first week on the street was one of the shittest experiences of my life. And its still better than the third world
fathom wadi
You know know how happy you are, until you have a pile of bricks fall on your head as you sleep under boxes to get away from the rain
primal spoke
Damn dude how old were you?
fathom wadi
17
bronze axle
@zinc matrix I've seen that, too! Very similar conditions.
pearl elk
I totally cant handle the cold, I grew up in the desert
fathom wadi
England. So nothing terrible
fathom wadi
Last time I was in London, I went looking for homeless people to give money too. Didn't care if it was for drugs or whatever, just that interaction and interest is worth a lot.
neon iris
Nothing like being humbled by an honest homeless person
primal spoke
Good on you
fathom wadi
@primal spoke it wasn't in a city, so I was safe enough, but you never know
primal spoke
Im always apprehensive about giving money like that
I can buy some food or clothes, but I don't want to feed an addiction
I grew up around addiction
F that
fathom wadi
one stereotype is that homeless people will just spend the money on alcohol or drugs and that always bothers me, because most of the ones I knew and talked over the years would spend it on either food or paying for a hostel, just to have a night in a bed.
primal spoke
Most homeless is drug addiction and or mental illness.
rotund tundra
i went to london years ago.. not really what i was expecting
primal spoke
At least in US
fathom wadi
depressing isnt it Para
pearl elk
I know plenty of rich people with homes who are drug addicts 😛
rotund tundra
signs every 20m on the streets saying bag thieves operate in this area, people sleeping in the middle of the street in the doorways to shops etc
fathom wadi
@primal spoke its sadly the case, families abandoning people. But a lot of the drug abuse and mental health issues are exacerbated by it so it can be statistically nudged to being the cause too
primal spoke
Most big cities have a homeless population
novel latch
those Oymiakon girls look kinda cute 🙂
fathom wadi
my town has got a lot worse in recent years for homeless. The local council shut all the hostels to save money to add a new tramline into the train station and build a hotel for affluent people.
primal spoke
That creates jobs.
fathom wadi
yeah that go to "the boys". Handshakes all around
primal spoke
For folks to earn a living
fathom wadi
probably a few but at what cost? Increased council tax, more homeless, less support for them. I just think its a wrong priority. All image, no substance
primal spoke
Also, criminal records also contribute because it's really hard to get a job with a record in the US
fathom wadi
yeah think of all the people who just smoked a joint and get ostracized. Crazy
neon iris
Can’t hope to break the cycle if you build social structures to feed it
fathom wadi
I would think the big pharmaceuticals had a hand in it too. Its a good replacement for opiods
fathom wadi
not the petrochemical ones, but they were there
primal spoke
Snake oil salesmen were selling crack in a can still
fathom wadi
good times 😄
primal spoke
Mexicans had marijuana
Had to outlaw marijuana to deport Mexicans from southwest
This during a time when Ellis island was taking all Europeans
fathom wadi
yeah sounds cynically perfect as a reason.:D
fathom wadi
we all know Cali has the best :p
primal spoke
All this CBD oil crap now
fathom wadi
I've never been into gardening myself, but I would love to grow a crop one time and see what I can do
signal citrus
hemp
fathom wadi
science says otherwise but then they did a study that found most CBD oil was the literal snake oil. Either no CBD or less than advertised. The regulation needs to happen
primal spoke
So, there is CBD with THC and it doesnt get you high
fathom wadi
one of my daughters has fibromyalgia and hypermobility and CBD is the relief she needs, but they sell crap here. And to make it, you have to become a criminal. So instead, she takes tramadol, and NSAIDS, and various other crap that is slowly killing her.
primal spoke
That is supposed to be effective, but you will pop on a drug test
Yeah
That's BS man
The CBD with THC supposedly works
But I can only take the straight CBD which I think is overpriced hype BS
It's like $180 for a little bottle.
It's supposed to take a few weeks before it starts fully working. I took it for 2 months and felt no difference
fathom wadi
yeah I read a study a year or so ago that stated in cancer treatments for stage 1 and 2, the effective dose ratio of CBD to THC is crucial in proper treatment and that it was variable between people and tolerance levels. Yet they still keep THC illegal in the UK so the scientists are stuck behind Home Office regulations that never get past the bureaucracy
Im hoping the US can lead the way on this. If they do it, we will
primal spoke
THC is the key
fathom wadi
the new THCB is looking interesting too
primal spoke
The CBD with THC is legal here but I still can't take it because of my job
Don't wanna pop for some oil
Never heard of THCB
fathom wadi
its a new compound they discovered that is upto 30x stronger than regular thc, so for practical use in medicines its amazing and cheap
primal spoke
Honestly, we're gonna have big marijuana and they're lobbyist will get everything legalized imo
fathom wadi
theres more too. Its just the start
primal spoke
30x.... you'll go insane
fathom wadi
not if you take 30x less and save money 😄
plucky pagoda
Refi is pretty much done. They did some kind of low cost appraisal that just makes a guess based on market conditions and it came out higher than I had hoped for.
primal spoke
My bank said they are overwhelmed with people trying to refi
plucky pagoda
Yeah, seems same here. Closing date is anticipated to be end of May.
primal spoke
I looked earlier today
plucky pagoda
It normally would have been like a couple of days.
primal spoke
Were closing costs high?
primal spoke
Gtfoh
plucky pagoda
yeah, went for a new 30yr but only expecting to be in the house for a few years at most. Didn't want to do an arm though just in case.
primal spoke
Good choice arms can f folks up
Texas is really strict about cash out refinancing
In California it's super easy
plucky pagoda
yeah, I tend to play it overly safe. Bought a house way under our budget. and after this it will be updated completely and the only other debt we'll have is student loans.
primal spoke
I had like 100k in equity and they told me I could get only 8
But we can do 10s of thousands if we are using the money for upgrades or repairs
That 23k going to updates?
plucky pagoda
part of what is saving us money on it is losing PMI. We had an FHA and now it'll be conventional with a Loan to Value ratio under 75%
primal spoke
You didn't have to drop 20% down to switch to conventional?
I've only done va loans
plucky pagoda
We still have over 25% in equity on the refi so nothing down is needed.
primal spoke
Did you have to peg the cash out to updates on the property?
primal spoke
What updates are you planning?
plucky pagoda
I'm replacing the sheathing, windows and siding, a partial rewire, new roof, new furnace and a/c
already almost done with a major kitchen upgrade
and most of the floors already done.
Replaced most of the interior and exterior doors, ordering a new back patio door and garage door this week
primal spoke
I need another AC unit.
plucky pagoda
No central air here using protables
pearl elk
Wow thats a small job 😛
primal spoke
I replaced one of them 2 years ago 9k
plucky pagoda
I'm good at it and have all the same tools pros use.
primal spoke
Window units?
plucky pagoda
Two small window units the others are the portables that have exhaust hoses. Hopefully won't need them this year
primal spoke
My house was built in 05. I need to do some updates also
plucky pagoda
Ours is old 1971
primal spoke
You live in San Diego?
plucky pagoda
Ohio
primal spoke
San Diego is the only place I've lived in that didn't need any ac at all
Just a fan.
plucky pagoda
Hoping we'll be able to sell it and still make a nice profit though. If values hold shouldn't be an issue.
primal spoke
It doesn't get hot there?
plucky pagoda
I meant I hope the central air will be installed before then.
plucky pagoda
?
primal spoke
EPA outlawed the old freon
plucky pagoda
I was considering buying everything and then paying someone to do the final connection.
primal spoke
So if you have an older unit you pay an arm and a leg for the old freon
plucky pagoda
ah
plucky pagoda
I know, that's why I'd pay someone to finish the hook up
primal spoke
You should be good though
You're buying new
I have a new unit and an old unit that is basically dead
plucky pagoda
You can buy everything but you're supposed to pay someone to connect the lines.
plucky pagoda
I hate this house, and the city we're in
plucky pagoda
Troy. Just north of Dayton.
primal spoke
Never been to Ohio
plucky pagoda
not missing anything.
primal spoke
Pratt and whitney in Dayton right?
plucky pagoda
our city's symbol is truck nuts.
idk , a lot of aerospace. Most of my family worked on the base at one time or another.
primal spoke
Well congrats on the refi.
plucky pagoda
thanks, I was worried about the appraisal.
primal spoke
Everyone is
plucky pagoda
This has been a good year so far. We actually got a federal return, before the stimulus. We've owed most years lately.
primal spoke
I owed $2k
plucky pagoda
ouch, yeah that was last year here
primal spoke
I've been trading a lot this year.
plucky pagoda
If you day trade enough can't you file it as on overall gains and loss
primal spoke
I have a capital loss carryover
plucky pagoda
I had one year I carried losses over for like 3 years.
primal spoke
Traded it successfully and then I fell in love and got burned
plucky pagoda
Most of the time I only lost money when I panicked and didn't trust my strategy enough.
That too though, holding on too long.
plucky pagoda
ah
primal spoke
Made 2.5k
plucky pagoda
I've never traded that sector at all
primal spoke
But if I would have held it until today would have made 6k
All restaurant stocks got killed by covid
plucky pagoda
Everyone's done the same thing at some point.
primal spoke
Traded SBUX last week
plucky pagoda
We took out a loan against our 401k before the drop to get the max we could out of investments.
north torrent
My taxes have been exactly $0 for the last few years.
plucky pagoda
like a withdrawal that has to be paid back
primal spoke
IDK about 401ks honestly
plucky pagoda
They're evil. But my wifes work matches our 2.5% with 5%
primal spoke
That's awesome
plucky pagoda
yeah her work rocks
north torrent
1st world problems I guess.
primal spoke
My job matches contributions up to I think 6 for our version of 401k style investment
But 1 for 1
plucky pagoda
She has a pension too
primal spoke
Not 200%
plucky pagoda
I rolled mine over and use it to trade
primal spoke
I trade straight cash. You don't have to use margin with 401k trades?
fathom wadi
I've never paid into a pension. I never planned on living that long. And after the government stole my dad's pension from my mother whilst making women work long and longer before they can retire, I don't care to pay into it. It's a fund for others to make money off before they rip you off if you ask me.
plucky pagoda
No, it depends on the broker as to what type of margin you can use but there are limitations when you're trading in a 401k
plucky pagoda
IIRC the margin can only be used to cover the 3 day
plucky pagoda
so you don't have to wait for a trade to clear to reuse the money
primal spoke
Yeah you borrow the brokers money to buy the stock
plucky pagoda
I've used margin. It's easy to get stupid but it's a good tool to have.
I bought a ton of appl on margin when it dropped
primal spoke
And when you do that the shares were purchased with their money and they can now loan your shares out to short sellers
That's why there are always shares to be shorted because of margin
When you use your cash. The stock is yours and not the brokers to lend out to be shorted.
They get a lot people on the 3 day settlement you mentioned
It looks like the stock has sold and funds are in your account but it's actually a loan from the broker
plucky pagoda
Yeah but it's paid back when the trades are settled. It's not a big deal.
primal spoke
Right but the shares are now forever possible to be lent out
Effectively using your own shares to lower the value of your shares.
It's grimy. The broker loans your shares out to short sellers who hurt the share price
Oh and all this is done without telling you
So if you wish to sell your stock and the broker doesn't have your shares....oh well. Margin.
But you're good with a stock like appl. Lots of volume.
Lower volume stocks are more at risk for this to happen
plucky pagoda
Trading something low volume is risky in of itself let alone on margin
plucky pagoda
I ran into that with Canadian Solar. It wasn't trading in enough volume to take my profit.
primal spoke
I still for the life of me can't see why people are still buying tesla stock right now
People are getting laid off left and right
Who is going to be buying Teslas?
plucky pagoda
NFLX is the one I find most insane
primal spoke
I got Tesla at 320
Sold at 588
Waiting for it to come back down
Haven't been following Netflix
Should be going up
plucky pagoda
It's stayed at close to a 99 p/e for as long as I can recall
primal spoke
But most tech companies typically have high pe ratios historically
plucky pagoda
and we know how well that's played out
plucky pagoda
Lol
plucky pagoda
Stocks like NFLX all it takes is one bad rumor to wipe them out.
primal spoke
F
primal spoke
Kylie Jenner said she didn't like an update on Snap chat app and it lost over $1B in value.
primal spoke
No, was margin used?
plucky pagoda
Maybe. I had that in the account at one time though.
No it couldn't have been that was in an IRA
primal spoke
Mao said wait a month and then dive in.
plucky pagoda
That was almost ten years ago though. I used it all up over the years on bills.
I needed to make like 30-50k a year on trading and at some point I couldn't make it fast enough to keep up
primal spoke
He already changed his discord image to the stock he is going to buy
My best year is probably this year
Never made 30k in one trading stock
Also never made 30k in a year off video game dev either.
plucky pagoda
I have really bad ADHD and anxiety and wasn't diagnosed yet when I was trading. I self diagnosed just three years ago and I'm a completely different person now. I'd like to try trading again and see how I do now.
I lost a lot of money just by not trusting myself and panicking.
primal spoke
Lots of great long term plays out there right now.
plucky pagoda
I would have made 500k on APPL if I hadn't panic sold my options.
primal spoke
But I wouldn't try to time it short term
plucky pagoda
I knew better too.
plucky pagoda
I have an unusually large collection of them.
plucky pagoda
I've been trying to make this top down spaceship shooter off and on for months and I just can't get a look and feel to it that I like.
primal spoke
I'm fighting not to give up game dev
plucky pagoda
I'm too far in to do that.
north torrent
I left the industry for many years.
plucky pagoda
Game dev.
primal spoke
I released my first game in 2013
north torrent
I've been working on making my life as boring as possible so that I can game dev in peace... I have not been very good at that...
north torrent
The security guard looked at my computer and said, "That's too complicated, it scares me."
plucky pagoda
What a compliment.
primal spoke
In China?
north torrent
But now I have to try to get someone else permission to enter the building, which is complicated.
They won't let my computer guy in. I'm seeing if the will let one of a LaoWai teachers in.
primal spoke
I just finished leading a hobby project with team of 20 plus people
It put a lot of things in perspective.
north torrent
I don't play well with others.
primal spoke
Also, the question... why do I want to make games... keeps coming up in my head
north torrent
I always figure, if I don't make it then nobody will.
primal spoke
The games don't sell, they don't get downloaded.
plucky pagoda
I figure I'm too old to try and get back into acting and game dev has greater odds of a pay out than writing.
primal spoke
Costs money to make
north torrent
There are just certain things I want to exist in the world, but they won't exist unless I make it.
primal spoke
Games don't make money, at least the vast majority
Those that do cost lots of money to make
plucky pagoda
I hear that, but the vast majority are trash. I can't recall ever seeing someone with a really well made game complain about how tough the market is.
fathom wadi
I just had a blast at World War Z seeing as it was free. They did really well with that game. Its got the vibe and the crowd tech is awesome
primal spoke
free AAA game giveaways every day now
plucky pagoda
huh?
north torrent
My strategy is to build a small slice of what I would like to someday do on a large scale.
Then give it away for free or almost free, just to prove to people what I can do.
Then make a second and third small slice and do the same.
Then maybe a small group of people may like what I am doing and want to either join me or support me with money.
If not, then whatever, I just do this for fun. But if people like my small slices I can start working toward doing it in a bigger fashion each time.
Slowly building, slice, then very small game, then slightly small game, then medium small game...
primal spoke
There's free AAA games left and right
plucky pagoda
ah
fathom wadi
My plan is to cruise through, doing just enough to never make any money, before my mind starts dissolving and I end up in a soup kitchen shouting that "the television people are coming for us !"
plucky pagoda
apparently I waited one day too long to claim borderlands 3.
If they're going to send you a code it should really tell you if it's going to expire.
primal spoke
Free lance and assets seems like the safest bet to make money in game dev
fathom wadi
jeez someone tell my accountant because its not working for me :p
in all fairness, I've had more offers of work since covid than in the 6 months previous
primal spoke
You've probably made more money doing freelance than most game devs
Making their own games.
You're not buying assets or marketing
north torrent
My goal is just to find a day job that doesn't require a large amount of hours.
plucky pagoda
I got offered some money for one of my level building tools but turned it down. Idk if that was the wrong call or not.
north torrent
Have a day job to pay my bills and make games in my abundance of free time.
fathom wadi
the way I see it, if you were working on something for some time, and someone offers you money for it. Take it and move on, unless its a labour of love.
primal spoke
That's the thing, is making games the way I want to spend my free time?
plucky pagoda
The guy wanted to use it for archviz and I didn't want to deal with any issues he would likely have had
fathom wadi
write that into the sales contract 😄 (I hereby relinquish all responsibility and if it breaks, blame yourself)
primal spoke
Honestly it's easier than ever to make a game
But harder than ever to get players attention
fathom wadi
@primal spoke Ive made 3 games and only one got even barely played. But that's not important. What is important is that you can look yourself in the eye each day, and say, "Im doing what I want to be doing". Same with any job
north torrent
I guess the question becomes, why will no one play them?
plucky pagoda
I think it's easier than ever too. I think it's still hard to make good games but the tools that we have are crazy.
primal spoke
That's just it marc....I keep asking is this how I want to spend my time?
Really spend my free time
north torrent
I came back to game development now because for the first time I feel like the tools are all there for me to do what I always dreamed of without needing help from a team.
fathom wadi
I think its easier to make bad games. But if you want to make good games, it still as hard, and it gets harder as people expect more. Imagine making a first person shooter these days. If its not got cutting edge graphics (or at least a manageable style like Overwatch) then you miss most of the target audience.
primal spoke
Working in teams, especially large teams suck
fathom wadi
I dont mind that. I used to love working alone, now I need people
primal spoke
People let you down
fathom wadi
yeah and I can fire them. que cera 😄
primal spoke
After your time is wasted depending on them.
I love the game dev community, but I think I like most, were delusional at first.
fathom wadi
that happens a lot in freelance when you work with other people too. Except I can't fire them at that point. Its upto the boss. So you work with it and make sure you dont look bad because of it. Its all you can do.
primal spoke
I thought about going into freelance, but it would really be only about the money at the point
north torrent
Well, that's the point Mr. Rogerson. Back in 2012 it seemed like I was spending most of my time just making a game that worked like a game. That part is now easy, so I have the time to worry about the deeper stuff that makes a game actually good, and not just a game.
fathom wadi
@primal spoke I only do it when I need money. The rest of the time I work on my own stuff or get better at what I do. Or chat here if im feeling sociable 😄
down to my last few hundred in savings though... need to get something going
primal spoke
Stop playing man
fathom wadi
I have a couple of marketplace items I need finishing but its a drag
fathom wadi
I have a backup plan. There is a studio near me and I keep getting requests to go for interviews there, but I turn it down because it's not the quality of game I want to work on. But if needs be, I would.
primal spoke
Before they release a free version of it.
fathom wadi
that happened to me before already. Thats why I picked some things nobody would give away for free :p
north torrent
Rocks?
fathom wadi
Editor plugin + A legit 5 reel slot machine
I have a 3d radar I might put out for free too tho
primal spoke
I tried so hard to make game dev my profession
fathom wadi
I could probably resell the slot machine external to the marketplace too. I coded it like a real casino one
its reusable too, just reskin it, and if you want new bonus rounds, you can switch it out easily. The RNG is multi-faceted too. So thats switchable
north torrent
I might possibly be able to get someone into the building and send my computer on Monday.
fathom wadi
when you get it back, check your history. Make sure nobody has been using it for procreational reasons :p
north torrent
It is super locked away right now.
Though what would really bad is if I booted up my computer and on the home screen I see someone installed Unity...
fathom wadi
When you are a boss...
primal spoke
A boss I am not
fathom wadi
Why not?
primal spoke
Good question
fathom wadi
You seem like someone who gets things done
north torrent
Never seen a boss who could get things done...
fathom wadi
Hi, Im Marc
truth be told, Im not where I should be, so you are probably right with that
but when im focused, I can move planets
primal spoke
I'm in contemplation mode
north torrent
Contemplation Node
fathom wadi
isn't that just a Delay node with a reskin?
primal spoke
More like an infinite loop
azure chasm
Lmao, first time playing fortnite
north torrent
I'm not a programmer, you figure it out.
primal spoke
You're making a game alone?
azure chasm
My hands are shaking so much, what an intense game
north torrent
Intense is not a feeling I look for in videogames.
fathom wadi
I won a game of Fortnite once, dunno how, my fat back and head were in the way the entire time
If you dont like intense in games, dont play World War Z. That's some intense gameplay. Especially when you see 2 or 3 hundred mobs running at you
azure chasm
Wwz seemed interesting, but i dont want to give my 4 yr old any additional nightmares
primal spoke
additional lol
fathom wadi
I have a good method to stop that. I show them how the stuff is made.
primal spoke
Give em nightmares but not additionally
fathom wadi
We do block them from some games, but horror isn't one of them. Its unrealistic usually
azure chasm
Hehehe, well we play stuff like unraveled 2 where you try not to get eaten by this large turkey
Its pretty intense for a 4yr old
fathom wadi
kids can handle it if you tell them straight, its when they don't understand and start imagining their own things that I find they get the most trouble from it. Like for some reason, when I was a kid, I thought flying fish would get me. Just because I saw the cover of Piranha 2 in the video store. Then my older brother told me sharks could fly. Bastard 😄
primal spoke
Oh snap
azure chasm
Haha
fathom wadi
still a bit scary but nice effects 😄
similar, but not quite, is the time I had recurring nightmares about this cover.
genuinely thought he was gonna bite my bum
primal spoke
Wtf
primal spoke
You're sharing right now
fathom wadi
that never scared me except the face mashing part
primal spoke
This house is clear
north torrent
I personally think the worst thing for kids is when you show them killing an violence without any of the repercussions like blood and death...
Makes them grow up thinking killing isn't a messy and bad thing, that it is clean and fun.
fathom wadi
On-screen violence is a cartoon compered to real life violence. The internet taught me that the hard way
primal spoke
I like to show my kids the behind the scenes stuff
azure chasm
We have violent histories as humanity, so its tough to know what to shield them from, and what to be straight forward about...
primal spoke
Seeing how things are actually made
fathom wadi
thats what we do too. Tom Savini demos are good for that
azure chasm
Thats interesting
fathom wadi
I have a saying Rei, "nobody ever learned anything through ignorance" so we teach them about whatever they enquire of
primal spoke
They couldn't believe chucky was a robot control by people off camera.
fathom wadi
with Brad Dourif's voice I believe?
azure chasm
I need to watch that one cause chucky still scares the f out of me
primal spoke
Everything CGI now
fathom wadi
have you ever gone back and watched LotR or The Hobbit? Some of the CGI is utter weaksauce by today's standards
primal spoke
Some punk ass baby sitter let my son watch chucky when he was 4
He was afraid of all dolls for years and never told us.
fathom wadi
speaking of Dolls, that was a classic movie. Stuart Gordon directing. He died earlier this year. One of the best 80's horror directors if you ask me
fathom wadi
hmmm sounds like this Judo VR game I said I could make it pulling initial traction. I mean, it was an april fools joke but I think I convinced them I could do it.
primal spoke
So one city in US has more virus infections than all of China where the virus originated from? Yeah f ing right.
Go for it
If you have a community behind you
north torrent
Seems logically possible.
north torrent
People might not want to believe it, but there are some upsides to having an authoritarian government with absolute control to shut down anyone and anything at will.
fathom wadi
I can do it with haptics and gestures for sure. Whether it would be useful or good for practicing kata, Im not sure
north torrent
Whether the numbers are right or wrong, I can't say, but they certainly seem plausible.
Being plausible certainly isn't proof something is right though.
primal spoke
Authoritarian Gov can't act if they don't know there is a problem
How many people got sick before they knew something was wrong?
fathom wadi
2
primal spoke
2?lol
fathom wadi
yeah two people in Wuhan
then they started investigating. First they didn't find enough evidence to know if it was human to human, but shortly after they proved it
the first doctor to treat them died also
primal spoke
I believe it's around 50% asymptomatic
fathom wadi
I believe I don't believe what Im told :p
fathom wadi
could be. The world is like that. Imagine if they knew, and the possibility of a global shutdown was coming, they would hush up until the last possible minute. Thats just the way they do
primal spoke
It's around 2.5 infection rate also
fathom wadi
I heard several factors for that. some say 2:1 and some go as high as 5:1
primal spoke
2.5 is conservative
China has ramped up the censoring big time
Mao has security guards looking over his computer now.
fathom wadi
I thought they were getting looser with it since the corporate approach gained ground.
primal spoke
Ain't that right @mao
north torrent
The US never shut down New York City.
China shut down Wuhan.
People are out shopping in Shanghai right now. Whether people in the west want to believe that or not is totally up to them.
fathom wadi
where is the west? I keep seeing this globe thing when I think of the earth. Is there a quaternion reference somewhere I missed? 😄
sorry thats my inner hippy trying to get out. We are all one etc etc blah blah
north torrent
I was referring to the social construct, not the actual direction, Mr. Rogerson.
primal spoke
Straight BS