lounge

[winter zealot]

it's just that they're showing another side

why would that side or the other be the true side ? 😄

[fathom wadi]

at our base, we are all survivalists. Even if that means eating someone else to survive.

[winter zealot]

but i've heard that alot yeah " hard situation show ppl true side etc "

[tulip orbit]

On the plus side, if all us humans are dying, outside of the matrix the robots are freaking out cause the virus is killing all their little batteries

[winter zealot]

if we would be all survivalists then why did we built civilizations ?

survivalism is only one side of things not the only one or the main one

[tulip orbit]

civilisation was a method of survival

[fathom wadi]

because some people are weak and some people are empathic

[winter zealot]

sure but mostly wasn't beased on " eating someone else " unless some civilizations at certain times of course

civs are mostly agriculture and spiritual stuff at the core

[tulip orbit]

Bob was good at carving stone, but Jim was good at growing crops. So together they both had houses and food

[winter zealot]

stupid wars and stuff are only possible because of agriculture and spiritual stuff, lots of smaller civs didn't have slaves either

[fathom wadi]

my wife knows this better than I do, but our ancestors absolutely ate humans to survive. So it's still in us when push comes to shove. The aircraft in the Andes that crashed in the movie "Alive" shows it in modern circumstances

[winter zealot]

@tulip orbit and it worked because they didn't feel like mindlessly quoting the fallout opening voiceover monologue was stylish or useful

you know " maaaaan is eviiiil because surviiiiive tadadada dramatic trumpet "

they just collected the damn potatoes and built the damn houses, that's survival

not indulging into a stupid destructive madmax fantasy

[fathom wadi]

we are less than 100 years from a time when people were stepping over dead people in the street because of fascist brutality. I think we can handle this

[winter zealot]

civilization exists because of agriculture, I absolutely agree that humans have a dark side but it's not the only side or the main side

[tulip orbit]

I'll be able to handle it so long as I have power and internet. if those go, ... snap

[fathom wadi]

yeah people are strange. When you're a stranger. Faces look ugly. When you're alone.

[winter zealot]

netflix and videogames seems to make people only look at the freaky stuff humans did

i mean, it's really a general trend

sorry I was ranting 😄

[tulip orbit]

uh oh, Hevedy is typing, everybody run! 😉

[median wraith]

@fathom wadi but nobody of the current ones lived that, they just go to streets from something they read in these books

[fathom wadi]

im talking about human nature

[median wraith]

@tulip orbit Day 58 everybody is dead out there

🤖

[fathom wadi]

you think a 5 year old jewish girl who went through the entire war and survived would have any experience of that war previously? Cmon now.

[tulip orbit]

yay!

[median wraith]

These aren't the ones in social media etc, these are the kids of richs

[winter zealot]

there's this oreilly book "cherrypicking only the horrible worldwar2 and horrible things from centuries of human history" and it's sad that people do that 😄

for wanting to curate steam, sure they're pretty motivated

wanting to curate human's history and emphazize the constructive positive stuff ? heh no one does that because youknow, it's not like fallout and callofduty worldwar2 😮 😮

[tulip orbit]

From a distance
Vicariously I live
While the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie```

[fathom wadi]

Everything you see about people right now, is a product of the environment. It's not real. It's not real people or anything. It's a cultural facade. Only in desperate times do we see who people really are, and the majority are good people. Thats why we are here now. Under the rule of the evil people who blind us with media and make us too comfortable to fight back against them 😄

[winter zealot]

which side of a coin is the "true" side ? is there even a true side ?

[fathom wadi]

yes. A lot of psychology is base human instincts

[tulip orbit]

Hrm.. Every now and then in testing my project, one of my attached weapon BPs decides that its marked for pending kill, and I dunno why

[fathom wadi]

suicidal?

a traitor to the cause?

infected? 😮

[quiet narwhal]

maybe override the on destroy on it and breakpoint there then check out the trace stack when it triggers?

[winter zealot]

but we are not beings of pure instinct, it's not that instincs are separated from higher brain layers isn't it ?

of course, under certain circumstances self survival becomes the priority

[tulip orbit]

@quiet narwhal How do i check the trace stack? BP only atm,

[fathom wadi]

yes they are seperate. Like fight or flight. It's built in through genetics and requirement. Necessity is the mother of invention is a perfect statement for the universe

[winter zealot]

but if there's time to collectively organize and maintain a civilized society.... why not do that ?

like, not everything in the worlds is exactly like how people react when they're attacked... when there's more time and less urgency people are capable of thinking

[fathom wadi]

We have many levels of consciousness also. There is a sub-level in everyone where the objective content of thoughts has a core neuronal attribute. It lets us decide before we even know we decided.

[winter zealot]

if "fight or flight" is built in trough genetics then why is there self defense training and military training etc ?

[fathom wadi]

some people lean towards flight. Sometimes you can't get away. You need to learn to make the best out of the situation.

[winter zealot]

I don't think it's surrealist to say that if there's an upcoming probability of things going dire, people could collectively organize themselves to prepare for it

[fathom wadi]

you can be a product of your environment and learn to decide against letting fear dictate your actions, but its brain washing in effect.

[winter zealot]

is jocko willink brainwashed because he's trained to react into problematic situations ?

[fathom wadi]

I think of it like this. There is a whole lot of socialists right now waiting with smug content to say "I told you so, but ignore that and lets get on with it". And it makes sense to drop any sense of what was, and go with it. For making a better place for those who do survive.

yes pillows

My brother is also

[winter zealot]

how is he brainwashed exactly according to you ? i'm curious

[fathom wadi]

I know my brother pre and post military. The brain was washed away and replaced with someone else.

Repetition, drilling, deconstruction of personality, a new belief system, physical adjustments. etc

[winter zealot]

he still knows you and love you ?

[quiet narwhal]

@tulip orbit You can go to Window -> Debug in the blueprint and it has an execution trace log when running

[fathom wadi]

dude if you want to presume im not familiar with my brother, I'd probably re-assess that perspective. What I am trying to say is they trained him to do certain things, and in order to do those things they needed to force his thought patterns a certain way.

[winter zealot]

would people be "brainwashed" if they'd only collectively grow a farm or something ? 😄

[fathom wadi]

its the same in every military system everywhere

[winter zealot]

you're saying he learnt stuff and now he acts different because of it yeah

[fathom wadi]

The First Earth Battalion might grow flowers together who knows 🙂

[winter zealot]

it's not about playing the littly warhammer dolls it's more about feeding people

[fathom wadi]

Have you heard of MK Ultra?

[winter zealot]

even the littly warhamer dolls in real life they need to eat

not MK ultra yet no

[fathom wadi]

worth a look into

[winter zealot]

i'm more a sf2 person myself

[fathom wadi]

gg

[winter zealot]

I mean, no i'm pretty bad at sf2

[tulip orbit]

@quiet narwhal All I see is the Event Destroyed node, and a lot of actors that dont exist anymore.

[winter zealot]

i love it but has no time to play

MK ultra is the latest one or something tho isn't it ?

it looks more fluid than the 16bits one for sure... nice animations

anyway

[tulip orbit]

ok, apparently the KillZ in the world settings was set to 0, so my grapple gun being spawned at 0, was immediately destroyed

[winter zealot]

aah yes that's a common UE4 joke, the killZ distance in the world settings

forgot about this one, it's pretty funny

no one : "" UE4 : " there's a setting to kill every object below a certain highness for no reason "

like, people making complex fpses are gonna be like " omg !!!! 😮 we didn't know how to code something to kill objects falling too low thanks UE4 :'o "

programmers in interviews etc " we used the checkbox from the world settings to kill objects going too low .... yes "

[quiet narwhal]

well the default kill z is far below 0 soo.......... someone changed it lol

[tulip orbit]

yeah, the map I was testing on was the default sidescroller map, so it was set to 0

my wall slide mechanic doesnt seem to work on this map either tho... which is very odd

aha. crisis averted. carry on

[quiet narwhal]

ah hah, didnt think about other templates being a changed kill z. good to know

[tulip orbit]

the template also seems to have the objects set to not generate overlap events, which I need

[quiet narwhal]

ah

[ancient hornet]

it's not exactly for no reason, if your level isn't airtight you could have actors fall forever without a KillZ for no good reason 😛

[tender lily]

"What's yellow and dangerous?"

* (uint *)(rand()) = 0xffff00;```

[solid aurora]

unity release roadmap video

[soft night]

they streamed it live

[solid aurora]

missed that

i wish their releases were as impressive as their roadmap videos ; d

[fathom wadi]

I don't wish to presume the mental state of the Drum and Bass dj I am currently listening to, but he's mixed Joy Division into his set. Rather, not added any drums or bass, and just played Joy Division instead.

[soft night]

houdini have they gdc stuff today and tomorrow

[fringe sundial]

@solid aurora nothing of value

houdini talks are fucking awesome tho

there was a 1 hour long one about wave-function-collapse

with a ton of cool shit

they made a very flexible WFC integration as a bunch of nodes you get from the side-fx Labs (game toolset)

it works both with mesh tiles, and with just pixels

[soft night]

unity had roadmap talk like what is indevelopment, released and pre-release

[quiet narwhal]

I don't want to live in the USA anymore, we are doomed 😦

[zinc matrix]

imagine all these foreigners who always wanted to move to USA

now they changed their minds

[fluid bloom]

I've only heard people want to go there for few years to earn money and then get the fuck out 😄

[primal spoke]

@quiet narwhal where would you rather live?

[zinc matrix]

I'm just gonna leave this here.

[stiff crystal]

so

DLSS 2.0 still looks horrible

no surprises there

but I guess some like that look where someone totally overdid sharpen filter on PS and then ran high jpeg compression on the image

[pearl elk]

one of the left looks like it has more polys tbh

[stiff crystal]

DLSS on adds dark edges on that image that shouldn't even be there

images from https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-dlss-2-0-a-big-leap-in-ai-rendering/

[pearl elk]

imagine how fast itd work on a scene thats not using RTX 😛

SSR and AO artifacts begone

[stiff crystal]

looking at the comments tho, people seem to think that looks great

[pearl elk]

I like what it does for the text, I think thats a pretty big bonus

I guess the biggest thing is the bump in speed you get by using it overall. I do wonder what artifacts it might have though after using it, if theres any weird low detail sections bit like when mip streaming or adaptive resolution plays up

One benefit could be in streaming, you stream the lower resolution game to a thin client with DLSS running to filter it up for display

[pearl elk]

https://www.pcgamer.com/au/how-fidgeting-playtesters-convinced-valve-to-drastically-shorten-half-life-alyxs-intro/

Shame they couldnt convince Valve of this sooner, I hated those locked room sequences in HL2

[north torrent]

I just filed taxes for the first time in 4 years.

[azure chasm]

No you still have 2 more months to procrastinate now

[fluid bloom]

thankfully being a simple salaryman means that I get my taxes filed automatically

hell, even my stock transactions appeared in my tax details automatically

[north torrent]

I don't pay taxes in the US.

It always comes out to a giant ZERO at the end.

I just filed my taxes today in case of the slim chance they decide to send me one of those stimulus check things everyone is talking about.

I don't need one, but I can give it to my mom if they do somehow decide to send me one.

[fluid bloom]

zero taxes? Wild

[north torrent]

I pay taxes in China.

[fluid bloom]

where do you work?

[north torrent]

So unless I make more than $100,000 usd a year from my job in China, all the money I earn in China doesn't get taxed in the United States.

I work in China. But I am a US citizen, so if I make over that $100,000 I have to file it on taxes in the United States.

[fluid bloom]

makes sense

[north torrent]

Things look like they are getting back to normal over here, so I am getting paid again.

I am still in quarantine though, so that kind of sucks.

[fluid bloom]

we just got locked down https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_shuts_down_uusimaa_to_fight_coronavirus/11276242

[north torrent]

That sounds like a lot of fun.

[mild root]

oh yeah, I am officially fps expert with lightning-quick reflexes and master of combat

hahaha

but the real reason why I played it on nightmare is to squeeze out maximum value of the game
higher difficulty = more playtime

but it is not funny when your TTK is around 1 second

so I recommend playing it on hmp or uv

[pearl elk]

you still need to beat Ultra-Nightmare

[north torrent]

No.

[mild root]

you still need to beat Ultra-Nightmare
3hard5me

[north torrent]

4

[median wraith]

XD

[north torrent]

Are you still alive, Mr. Hevedy?

[median wraith]

Yeah just a pain week of work

Lots of things that don't work

I should have chosen other profession at least the carpenter tools don't have bugs

[north torrent]

I thought all of Spain had died. Good to know at least one person is alive and working on... whatever it is you work on.

[median wraith]

That will be bad I'm the most rare overhere if I just survive this country won't be represented anymore

[north torrent]

I should have chosen another profession as well... but too late now, life already ruined.

[hazy delta]

@zinc matrix
https://giphy.com/gifs/post-upvote-accidently-BsQAVgY6ksvIY

[zinc matrix]

@hazy delta ???

[hazy delta]

that gif

sorry I'm a bit late for a reaction, but I just saw it and it doesn't look healthy what your character is doing there 😄

[zinc matrix]

oooooh haha

[median wraith]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

There we go 4k already

We always beat records

In negative

more deaths than the whole China thats x10 the population from here

[hazy delta]

well Italy is still ahead of you in that regard

[median wraith]

yeah they started days before

just give time

Germany is doing well too

[hazy delta]

yeah we're doing exceptional for some reason

also it looks like the last few days the new cases have been growing linearly instead of exponential

I wonder if it's just because of the number of cases that get tested each day or if the quarantene is helping

[median wraith]

Don't worry every single person in the planet will be cured and the virus will be gone doing this

lol

[hazy delta]

stats from yesteday, the USA is still 'winning' by a landslide

jesus

[median wraith]

well USA is a point apart

will get the more spread for sure

wait 10 days

I mean the population here is low compared with all these countries

[hazy delta]

yeah with the way things are going I think the US will be one of the countries that were affected the most

[mild root]

china is lying

[median wraith]

Well the world pollution problems are solved

true @mild root

thats what more people named

France lies too

the people that dead at residences don't count as dead as aren't on the health care system anymore

[zinc matrix]

good side of this is that maybe my mother will quit smoking 😄

finally

[hazy delta]

I don't trust the numbers of russia though

[median wraith]

Russia have lions at streets

🤖

[hazy delta]

lol

[zinc matrix]

and they are sending yellow men to italy

[mild root]

is it black humor?

good side of this is that maybe my mother will quit smoking 😄
@zinc matrix

[zinc matrix]

they send green men to ukraine before

[median wraith]

mine is a reference to this https://static.toiimg.com/img/74768586/Master.jpg @mild root

[zinc matrix]

no, she doesn't smoke for last 10 days, she is afraid 😄

[hazy delta]

afraid of smoking?

that doesn't make sense

but if it helps....

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median wraith]

spain bought equipment to china in value of millions

[zinc matrix]

she cough a lot, like any good smoker

but now it seems she cough less after she stopped for so long

also she was very easily getting any infections because of it, whole year, so she is afraid that she can catch corona easier too

[median wraith]

Blender don't want me to cut the surface

[mild root]

blender isn't a cutter

it is used for mixing things

[median wraith]

that explains everything

[pearl elk]

Please stay safe Spain, we're in this together 😛

[median wraith]

I just rage quit COD

was for the while week fighting with the 3D apps

the ones I paid for have plenty of bugs that even if get fixed you won't get the fix as need to pay for it another time

🥳

I won't spend that amount of money in any software anymore that just gives me 1 year of support

[fathom wadi]

I have 3 games ready to pick up right now and 2 of them have bugs in that break it until they patch

[pearl elk]

Dont worry they'll be broken after the patches too

[soft night]

unreal slackers will rule the galaxy! 🤣

[primal spoke]

@pearl elk what is your image icon?

[median wraith]

Spain just spend millions in fake tests from China from a non legal company

😂

[primal spoke]

just saw there are 4,000 deaths in spain.

are they all at risk? or just bad healthcare or what?

[pearl elk]

its a smart phone

[fringe sundial]

@primal spoke just lots and lots of cases

40k or something official cases, and we arent testing anyone who isnt going to the hospital

so real cases are likely more than 100k

[soft night]

what is smartphone?

[fringe sundial]

hell, i have a couple neighbours with the virus, and they didnt get tested but they do have it

[median wraith]

The health care of Spain is a joke at this point the medics are telling it
Germany have x2 times more medic beds etc

[soft night]

well i used to have smartphone

not anymore

[median wraith]

Spain health care was good back 20 years ago, now is a joke

The management of each hospital is private now etc

[primal spoke]

The US has great healthcare, its just super expensive.

[fathom wadi]

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/141013-amd-responds-navi-gpu-source-code-packet-theft/?fbclid=IwAR11eIBXV9vtnqe0LktFR1uJ3MjYeSOfQ3A0BDL1q3LaR1-kZYIxnKti3dw

[soft night]

you know unreal virus? its the virus what make you make cool things with unreal engine and it dont affect your health anyway

[fathom wadi]

Im immune to the Unreal Virus then.

[primal spoke]

@pearl elk I thought it was a Portal bot with a red afro at first.

[fathom wadi]

I make shit things and im slowly dying from it 😄

[pearl elk]

thats a brain coming out of a phone, smartphone 😛

[median wraith]

In the local hospital are using trash bags as dress to protect

You get an idea

[primal spoke]

Is there a way to see more of image icon on discord.

[soft night]

monsphone the mons proofed brain power phone

[fathom wadi]

check the profile

[primal spoke]

Some folks have some really cool custom images going on.

I checked Monsium profile, but there is no way you can tell that is a smartphone with a brain coming out of it.

[pearl elk]

its meant to look technoir, I did have a glitch on it but I didnt want to pay discord anymore 😛

[primal spoke]

unless my mind is just not creative enough to see it.

In the local hospital are using trash bags as dress to protect
@median wraith I sent my kid to school wearing a trashbag once because we couldn't find her umbrella...something she will never forgive me for.

[median wraith]

XD

Well but that's different

[primal spoke]

She showed up to school wearing a black trashbag poncho!

[pearl elk]

from a distance I kinda thought it looked like a UFO with a tractor beam

[primal spoke]

different, and funny.

Thats you.

[fathom wadi]

https://80.lv/articles/nvidia-offers-new-tools-for-game-developers/

[fringe sundial]

DDGI is a great technique

i see it being quite commonplace

[zinc matrix]

👌

[fringe sundial]

its a fairly dumb feature, just use raytracing to render lightprobes

because raytracing can launch rays in arbitrary directions, you can render a thousand low-res probes in a single shader launch

[primal spoke]

@zinc matrix out of the box.

[zinc matrix]

In of the box also

[primal spoke]

its scary when one knows what they are doing in UE4.

In Unity, you have to toil a great deal to achieve the level of detail UE4 has out of the box.

but its easier to make something there.

[zinc matrix]

Yeah I know, it was even worse some years back haha

[median wraith]

Now we don't even have an education system online working @primal spoke the virus it's showcasing the mediocre architecture root of this country

[primal spoke]

YouTube is everywhere.

How can you not have online education? Upload videos and make them unlisted with a link.

Free and effecient.

[median wraith]

Last year I did a phone call to a school here and they didn't know you can get the degree in remote lol

When they actually do

[primal spoke]

Moving to online causes job loss for educators.

[zinc matrix]

there are free dedicated virtual classroom software for schools that need it (free because of the pandemic)

[pearl elk]

I wonder if this virus will open more peoples minds up to online stuff

[primal spoke]

Because one teacher can teach hundreds of students.

@pearl elk did you like my portrait of you?

[pearl elk]

before it was like oh you have to drive for 3hrs one way to go to a job interview, maybe now they'll be like ewww dont want to shake their hand

it was pretty accurate tbh

kinda hoping Half-life Alyx 2 will be on the ship with the portal and gravity guns

poor Gordon died of cabin fever on route

[soft night]

have you seen new HP reverb g2?

teaser

[primal spoke]

Well 3.3 Million jobless in US now...that sucks.

new jobless.

[pure marlin]

i messed up with my thirdpersoncharacter. Is there an easy way to get the default character again? or do i need to create an empty blueprint and create the default BP new ?

[pearl elk]

sounds like the US could use a jobs system

[primal spoke]

That is funny, and not, but funny first.

[pearl elk]

they can call it Steve

[soft night]

they can call it Steve Jobs?

[primal spoke]

Does unreal have a job system?

[pearl elk]

Steve Jobs System

[primal spoke]

Unity has a job system.

C# Job System

[pearl elk]

tbh I think Ivanka Trump will be President soon

[fluid bloom]

@fringe sundial doesn't the nvidia light probe system also rely on raytracing to solve light bleeding

[primal spoke]

Maybe its the graph system in UE4?

@pearl elk I know you are joking, but there is a concept of Job System in programming in Game Dev.

[fluid bloom]

honestly that DDGI system sounds like some sort of silver bullet for diffuse GI 😄

fast, no leaks, no special asset setup needed

[fathom wadi]

Hiring? Or begging. You decide.

[primal spoke]

Rev share probably.

[fathom wadi]

unpaid

[primal spoke]

synonymous. lol

[pearl elk]

hey cmon now, think of the exposure

[fathom wadi]

not that I mind unpaid work, I did enough of it myself. But for some reason, these days, it really irks me to see unpaid under the illusion of some company or outfit

at least be honest. "I know nothing, want to learn, need you to help and do some of the heavy work"

[primal spoke]

rev share is unpaid like 90% of the time.

games don't get completed.

[fathom wadi]

revshare is gambling, this is just optional slavery :p

Compensation : Exploited

[pearl elk]

I suppose atleast saying unpaid they arnt lying

[primal spoke]

I just finished leading a hobby project, the game was unpaid, but the game is free and there was no rev involved ever.

[pearl elk]

revshare on F2P 😛

[fathom wadi]

yeah I worked on 3 released games and didn't see a dime, but still....

[median wraith]

You should see the amount of people entering to Tinder etc apps because the quarentee, the people don't know how to socialicate outside of that on normal social media?

[primal spoke]

Were they for sale?

[fathom wadi]

maybe thats why it irks me

yeah

[primal spoke]

Yeah, the game I finished was never for sale and never was going to be for sale, so it was pure volunteer work for everyone.

TBH, the level of quality is unpaid.

One of the issues that I have is people wanting money for terrible skill/work.

[fathom wadi]

I dont do anything for anyone without a contract. Doesnt matter how bad the work is, as long as its what it states in the contract, Im happy :p

[primal spoke]

I modeled my first cup in blender....give me money now.

[fathom wadi]

I did that 2 months ago.

[primal spoke]

asked for money or modeled a cup? or both.

I would only do contracts with professionals.

[fringe sundial]

@fluid bloom its s special type of probes that doesnt leak

the probes not only have the color information, but also distance

so they have their own "zbufer"

[fathom wadi]

modelled a cup. I consider myself a professional. 10 years game dev you would think so at least. Either that or im pissing in the wind

[fringe sundial]

its an older technique for probes, its existed for quite a while

[primal spoke]

yeah, 10 years game dev is pro level, IMO.

[fathom wadi]

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/023/684/948/large/marc-rogerson-donuts-50percent-orig.jpg?1580030482 me cup and dognut

[primal spoke]

c'mon....A cup.

[fathom wadi]

had to learn blender the usual way like everyone else 😄

[neon iris]

Doughnuts is the way to go

[primal spoke]

Thats an entire secene.

Thats really good work.

[fathom wadi]

yeah but the cup was part of it 😄

first time but thanks. Just followed youtube really

[primal spoke]

time?

[fathom wadi]

usually into code so modelling was a step out of my box

a week to finish it all up

[primal spoke]

damn.

[median wraith]

Well there are companies that pays you with 10 years the same that they pay to the ones with 6 months

[primal spoke]

I feel...so...unskilled now.

[fathom wadi]

@median wraith im currently getting paid the same as 10 years ago. Nothing :d

[median wraith]

XD

So like me

[primal spoke]

nothing? C'mon

maybe not enough.

[fathom wadi]

im just happy to be alive. I have immune deficiency and its like an invisible death to me 😄

[median wraith]

Professionally on my own started 1-2 years ago, in game dev self exp started like 12 years ago? 🤔

[fathom wadi]

@primal spoke to be fair I have been taking time for myself over the past few months. So I negated the pay element to learn a few new things. Like Blender and some other tools

[primal spoke]

I started coding in 2011.

[fringe sundial]

@fathom wadi thats actually fairly legit for a programmer

[fathom wadi]

I started in 2000 but did web dev until 2015, started game dev as a hobby in 2010

ty

[primal spoke]

I published my first game in 2013.

[fathom wadi]

Blender is a really fun tool to learn. Its like a plaything

[pearl elk]

Ive been programming since I dunno, about 1994

[median wraith]

I didn't published any game yet commercially

[primal spoke]

I tried to build a live link between UE4 and Blender.

[fathom wadi]

oof

[fringe sundial]

@fathom wadi people allways have issues when coming from 3dsmax or maya to blender

but if you are a noob, blender is much better to start with

because it has all in 1 spot

[primal spoke]

I got UE4 and Blender to send data to the same server, but failed to parse the data on UE4 from blender.

[fringe sundial]

and the renderer is very easy to use

[median wraith]

@pearl elk thats when I was coding myself

[fathom wadi]

yeah I was years into 3dsmax so 2.7 was a horrible experience for me. But when 2.8 hit it was an easy switch. In fact, I prefer it now

[median wraith]

The dam Blender to ue4 scales stillfucked and nobody fix it

[fathom wadi]

you can fix it easily. its just a setting to switch from meters to cm

[median wraith]

No it doesn't

[fathom wadi]

what bugs me is all the tutorial talk in meters still

[primal spoke]

@fathom wadi do you use mouse or pen?

[fathom wadi]

mouse

[primal spoke]

My wrist starts hurting when I start designing with mouse.

[fathom wadi]

I got a larger mouse for that reason. A Roccat Kone EMP. Suits my hand shape to a tee

[fringe sundial]

blender is designed for mouse and keyboard

[fathom wadi]

but those 3d mice look great

vertical ones

[fringe sundial]

and due to the crazy amount of shortcuts, you dont use the mouse much

its not like other software where you are moving the mouse around everywhere

[fathom wadi]

yeah thats the most suprising thing about blender is how it changes your control system from Mouse + Keyboard to Keyboard THEN mouse

[primal spoke]

level design jacks my wrist up also. My wife uses a vertical mouse.

[median wraith]

Idk who told you all the m to cm but it's a lie, it just changes the display inside blender, you have to resale Blender x100 to get it fixed
I invite you all to test it with animations
Have fun

[fathom wadi]

ill give it a test sometime. I literally haven't taken animations from blender yet without Mixamo + converter

[primal spoke]

i did some animations

[fathom wadi]

I do have my Bender in Blender that I wanted to setup for UE though. Dunno why, im not using it for anything

[primal spoke]

I didn't have any measurement problems.

[median wraith]

If use the default Blender units with cm without scale the first export its fine

But you will notice the main skeletal is sxaled x100 inside ue4

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith blender-to-unreal stream 3 today

[fathom wadi]

hype

[fringe sundial]

with the tool that autosets all scales correectly

[median wraith]

When import animations are 0.01 the ssñcale

[zinc matrix]

I sent a message to the creator of hammuer and he hasnt responded for over a month

[median wraith]

@fringe sundial blender to ue4 streams solve nothing but the showcase of a tool they made and never published that hsve a limited work?

[fathom wadi]

lol

tell us what you really think Hevedy 😄

[median wraith]

@zinc matrix why even use that?

That guys don't even provide the source code

I won't pay something without sources

[fathom wadi]

For the setup involved, this plugin should be a time saver but I think its still a long way off, otherwise it would be in beta right?

[fringe sundial]

the plugin will have source code

@median wraith at the moment they are showingit, but its on early development

[primal spoke]

what plugin are we talking about now?

[fathom wadi]

Blender to Unreal

[fringe sundial]

they want people to give feedback on what they see, and release it as part of probably 4.25 or 4.26

[primal spoke]

@fringe sundial can you provide link to source?

[median wraith]

From the first stream I had enough @fathom wadi it looked like 1 month project from some random students that started to use Blender the same year

[fathom wadi]

yeah those 1 month into dev students who make a live link setup

cmon now

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith the second stream showed some really advanced rigging stuff

as in really advanced

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[fringe sundial]

beyond anything maya and max have

[fathom wadi]

way beyond

[median wraith]

I would rather fix the importer inside ue4 that have hacks for Blender but it's unfinished as scales apply

[primal spoke]

IDK, I setup a plugin with UE4 and Blender.

it is not that hard.

[fringe sundial]

the plugin is a lot more than the fbx part @median wraith

and its likely they will make it work with USD once USD format works well on blender

[fathom wadi]

I'd rather have internal support but this is better. It's open so we can all help once it's been setup for release

[winter zealot]

( lots of ppl are hating the plugin because of the look of some of the developers that's why )

[fathom wadi]

ah

fuck them

[primal spoke]

look?

[fathom wadi]

the main dev transitioned

[primal spoke]

where tf is this stuff at?

[fathom wadi]

like its a big deal these days. Fucking idiots don't know they are born

[winter zealot]

of fucking course no one has waited for 4.25 to make blender to UE4 export workflows 😄 the idea is that this plugins aims to do it better and easier

[median wraith]

I have to check it then

[pearl elk]

yeah I have to check when I was born too

[fringe sundial]

@primal spoke not public yet

[pearl elk]

Im gettin old

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith look at the second stream

they are doing some amazing rigging tools

[primal spoke]

ok.

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_xUMQ6hhs

[fringe sundial]

nah part 1 is shit

[fathom wadi]

still an intro to the whole deal. some exciting things to look at

[fringe sundial]

not much of value there other than the quick-export button

[primal spoke]

ty @fathom wadi

[fringe sundial]

animation is where its at (vid 2) and now 3

[fathom wadi]

yeah the second one was pure technical too so its really for animators :p

[median wraith]

Still better than the substance bug I found yesterday that read every UV as 0 index and nobody found or reported it, makes me think substance it's only used by gamers, rather than actual experienced creators

[primal spoke]

👀 ok...I see now what you are talking about.

[soft night]

when you read every as index 0

or lod0

[winter zealot]

my feedback for this plugin is : I hope they allow for importing characters made of arbitrary armatures inside ue4, rigify is a good start but custom armatures are where it's at imo

[fathom wadi]

@winter zealot I asked about that and they said it would work with custom rigs too

its designed around rigify but you don't need to use it

[winter zealot]

also if that plugin allows for animating in blender and having the animation in ue4 in a single click, this is huge for productivity, no need to do a damn fbx export everytime an anim is changed

[fathom wadi]

indeed

I got to doing animations in UE4 with pose assets just to get around that

[winter zealot]

@fathom wadi that's great news ❤️ much thanks for having asked that 😊

[fathom wadi]

I was mid-custom rig when they posted it. I had to ask 😄

Rigify is cool but I wanted to learn from the bottom up

[winter zealot]

oh yeah absolutely, rigify seems to have lots of bones for a game character, much better to redo setups from scratch

also, because rigging constraints are bone modifiers

[primal spoke]

I think blender may become industry standard unless Autodesk lowers their prices dramatically.

[fathom wadi]

thats was my thought. I only needed a simple one and it added all the IK and everything

[winter zealot]

I was able to modify the positions of the bones of an armature and have two armatures from one in a bunch of clicks

[fathom wadi]

I dont think Autodesk users will be so willing to jump ship tbh. They are invested now like a career skill

[fringe sundial]

@winter zealot the rigify stuff has its own node editor

[winter zealot]

so it looks like it's possible to make a single armature, and repurpose it for each character

[fringe sundial]

to setup deform rig vs rigify rig

so yes

you can use non-mannequin rigs

[pearl elk]

3dsmax 2021 lol

[fringe sundial]

and stuff like multiple arms or extra bones

[winter zealot]

@fringe sundial oh wow that's noice, I didn't go into the rigify thingy in details yet

[fathom wadi]

I like Bendy Bones. They should get some love in UE4 :p

[fringe sundial]

blender might become a top end 2d animation tool lul

[winter zealot]

ah yes bendybones 😊

[fringe sundial]

with how much they are developing the grase pencil

on 2.83 it gets massive gains

[fathom wadi]

its really cool. I like the idea of painting in flat perspective but being able to rotate around it when I like

[winter zealot]

noice 😄 2d anim is awesome

cnai do a small product placement for Eizouken ? it's an awesome show about animation

[median wraith]

@fringe sundial @fathom wadi jesus that looks like a terrible nightmare solution, like paste all your house walls with glue while is falling, and it works by a miracle, I don't see any artist using that right now, other than users that bought animations etc, imagine making a custom skeleton, like lets see if they provide me one already setup for every animal pack from the marketplace, seriously thats the equal to make a if function for each index rather than use a for loop and get a proper auto system

[fathom wadi]

grease pencil is next level 2d art though. The future will show some insanity from that side of Blender, more than the 3d rendering

[winter zealot]

Eizouken is a neat show even if the life of characters is sad and I hope it evolves into more empathy

[fringe sundial]

@fathom wadi there was already an oscar nominated production made with it

"i lost my body"

[fathom wadi]

@median wraith I agree its a little messy, but it's breaking new ground. It has to get messy before it gets cleaned up and standardised.

[winter zealot]

yeah potentially with blender skeleton system

[fathom wadi]

dont forget this is a pipe dream, not a business venture

[median wraith]

Didn't know the cornhub videos can be nominated to oscars @fringe sundial but yeah a lot of these videos made with Blender jk

🤖

[fathom wadi]

if it was about the money, it would be awesome

[winter zealot]

it might be possible to import an asset from the marketplace and re-use it's skeleton on other assets

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith there was a R34 overwatch character released for free on BLENDERNATION a few weeks back

and i mean a r34 model

including lewd outfits and all parts very detailed

[fathom wadi]

@fringe sundial I play a slot machine sometimes called "Big Buck Bunny". What I didn't realise, was that it was made in Blender. Its getting everywhere now

[winter zealot]

because of blender ability to reposition joints after rigging using the edit mode ( altrough skinning would have to be redone, obvs )

[median wraith]

yeah I recomend to check the porn used models made in Blender

these rigs are
spectacular

[fringe sundial]

@fathom wadi its not a slot machine lmao

its an open movie

the entire movie is open source

[fathom wadi]

yeah they made a slot machine of it tho. I didnt realise :p

[fringe sundial]

so likely they just repurposed it

lmao

i mean its creative commons or something like that, you can do whatever with it

[fathom wadi]

a company called Merkur. Popular euro slot maker

[fringe sundial]

you will see big buck bunny a lot on TV adverts

its a flashy and colorful movie, so they use it to sell HDR and similar

[fathom wadi]

yeah we never see it in the UK. The slot is only here because Merkur licensed the UKGC a couple of years ago

still nice to see it being used. Makes me feel like teaching my kids how to use it is a good plan

[winter zealot]

dan brown could do a bick buck bunny novelization 😮

[primal spoke]

thats cool. so you can take animations from the Marketplace and edit them in blender.

[fringe sundial]

thats going to be huge for me

ive done tweaks to marketplace anims constantly

a lot of the time you get an animation and just want to change the timing a bit

or add something

[median wraith]

basically you end faster making them in blender from ground

🤪

[fringe sundial]

no you dont

not by a long shot

[median wraith]

well you don't need to do any of these skeleton setups

[fringe sundial]

no because the one for default mannequin is already included

the rig system is to have more advanced skeletons

and its quite good. Doing that on your own is hard

and extremelly fucking annoying

@fathom wadi https://www.blendernation.com/2020/02/26/behind-the-scenes-animated-comic-with-grease-pencil/

[median wraith]

and and check the skeletons and whole rigs made by the porn community inside Blender

you will get a surprise

[fringe sundial]

you can, just grab that model from blendernation

they are super advanced and with a fuckton of bones

because they are made for animation

game rigs are separated

on game rigs you want a deform/engine rig, and then a fancy rig that controls that

[fathom wadi]

@fringe sundial I checked that article out. It really inspires my 2004 inner Flash guy

I always thought Flash could have got to Bone work quicker and make better vector art tools overall. But it did the job.

Grease Pencil is like a new dimension tho

[fringe sundial]

the fun thing with grease pencil drawins is that they are meshes

so you can rig them if you wanted

[fathom wadi]

yeah

there is a very 2-dimensional way of doing that in Flash too but it's very much 2d. So you are limited by the lack of the 3rd axis when animating. It makes the clean up work way more than the actual animating

[fringe sundial]

this is what they added for 2.83

https://code.blender.org/2020/02/grease-pencil-refactor/

they have refactored basically the entire thing, to make it much betetr

[fathom wadi]

❤️ open source

omg that masking system is so good. It's like eating the best chocolate cake in the world whilst under a nice duvet in the middle of winter.

[fringe sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=ubRf4zyEvG4&feature=emb_title

xenoblade 1 remake is the first game they show

xenoblade 1 is FUCKING AMAZING, one of the best JRPGs ever made

having a better-graphics and tweaks remake is great

i played the nintendo 3ds version

its got an amazing story

[lucid walrus]

aww... I confused with with xenogears for a second there and got excited

[fringe sundial]

its by the same lead designer

oh, they are also doing an expansion? what

[lucid walrus]

they neve really finished the second disc of xenogears properly, if I recall correctly...

[fringe sundial]

xenoblade chronicles has absolute god-tier music

and the story is amazing

better than xenoblade 2

[winter zealot]

dayum it's awesome that the next UE4 blender plugin stream is today

those guys making this plugin are awesome ❤️

neat that there's the nintendo direct mini yup !

[deep glen]

@fringe sundial agreed. the evil being in XB1 is just so much more interesting

its near kafka level-evil

[winter zealot]

yeah there's a full page of greasepencil improvements and yet not everything is listed... so many things rewritten from scratch as well

now interested into looking at xenoblade, it absolutely looks gorgeous on switch

[fringe sundial]

@deep glen its also such a great story with twists everywhere, lots of new revelations about the world lore, and constant "fighting against destiny" by trying to fight against the future visions

which is pretty sweet

[deep glen]

yea, XBC2 was more a fanservice above anything hehe

[fringe sundial]

xbc2 was faaaaaaar more anime

but its exploration gameplay was amazing

it did exfploration much better than 1 did

[deep glen]

its basically the oprah gif equivelant of
"you get breasts, and you get breasts, everyone is getting breeeasssstsss!!!"

for sure, and its not a bad game.

but I prefer xbc1 by far

[fringe sundial]

xbc1 had much better story, but core gameplay is worse

you basically repeat the same combos 24/7 on the chars

and exploration is nowhere near as useful

[deep glen]

same in xbc2 though battlewise. albeit slightly more options

[fringe sundial]

lots more options tho

[deep glen]

mwah, though I probably ended up with the same loop over and over again because it worked on everything :p

[fringe sundial]

the expansion also improved the combat a bit

they removed the whole waifu-pokemon stuff, and went for a switching thing

[deep glen]

i got bored after I had to kill 1000 bosses for one character to get her up to max level

i just realized I have a save-game near the final boss

but never killed it XD

[fringe sundial]

top kek

the final boss is pretty fun

nothing like a bigass massive mech on your fantasy game XD

[deep glen]

i kinda wanted to try and "catch em all"

[fringe sundial]

you are basically fighting an evangelion

@deep glen i didnt bother with that, i focused a lot on the main story

only did a few sidequests

did explore the maps tho

[deep glen]

i did ALL of em for some reason

[fringe sundial]

holy fuck

[deep glen]

hence me wanting all the other characters for their sidequests

which are often the go there, collect X things, go here, deliver Y things

or kill 1000 bosses

[fringe sundial]

i wonder if they will remake xenoblade X

it was critically underplayed due to being on a console no one wanted

(wii u)

i played it a bit on emulator and was a fun game

[deep glen]

bro liked it a lot

[fringe sundial]

basically no story, its basically an exploration game

you are part of a spacship that crashes into an alien planet, and need to explore that planet and find its stuff to grow the colony

the emulator version was very janky tho 😦

big problems

dunno if they solved them by now

[deep glen]

oh right, in xbc1 the first boss you needed to fight with the xenoblade

i didnt know how to do the special things, so I killed it 1hp at a time

took me an hour or so

[rich quiver]

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/news/epic-games-publishing-announcement

EGS real exclusive

[deep glen]

posted that in #ue4-general :p

(its fine though)

its interesting, though I doubt (for now) they'll put a lot of effort into the really small indies

[winter zealot]

uh.... the devs only get 50% ?

I don't understand what epic is doing that deserves 50% tho

[fringe sundial]

@winter zealot read a bit more

[deep glen]

dude

they pay for the entire production

[fringe sundial]

Fully-funded projects. Epic Games Publishing will cover up to 100% of development costs, from developer salaries to go-to-market expenses such as QA, localization, marketing, and all publishing costs. 

[deep glen]

50% is a treat after that

[rich quiver]

50/50 make no sense since only one game recouped the profit boderlands 3

[winter zealot]

@fringe sundial ok i'm gonna do that @deep glen aah, that explains it 😊

[fringe sundial]

for fuly funded products like this, the norm is 0% share

in fact, lots of publishers get 60% when paying nothing and just doing some advertisement

50% for a publisher as big as Epic is MASSIVE

50% when ALSO paying the development is unheard of

deals this good never existed

[winter zealot]

@fringe sundial @rich quiver yeah I gotta agreee that's awesome indeed 🙂

[rich quiver]

But the game sales have to recouped the founding to get the 50%

[winter zealot]

yup, I dunno anything about that tho, so

[median wraith]

Making games with Unity, publish with Epic

🤖

[deep glen]

and that would be fine

[winter zealot]

yeah and if epic would be paying the unity license that's perfect 😄

[median wraith]

lol

[deep glen]

"unity, staying afloat because of epic"

:p

[median wraith]

50/50 split

whats the normal for a publisher ?

[deep glen]

0%/100%-ish

[median wraith]

XD

[soft night]

well some markets unity is one of rare to publish games

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith i spoke with a few

range goes from 40% to 80%

for the publishing part

no funding

with funding, they basically want to own the entire project

inclouding the IP

and give 0%

[median wraith]

First comment says "Remedy AAA game" well what was their last game an indie ?

@fringe sundial yeah thats bad

[fringe sundial]

when the project is 100% funded, the studio never keeps the rights over it

[deep glen]

or worse, you want to make a sequal and they go "we gave it to someone else"

[fringe sundial]

for example, obsidian with new vegas

or dark souls guys with bloodborne

dark souls studio doesnt own the rights to bloodborne. Sony does

[median wraith]

Well where I have to sign in order to get that 🤖

[fringe sundial]

profit sharing after paying the full dev cost basically is never done

[primal spoke]

bloodborne....👍

[pearl elk]

maybe when the PS5 comes out I can play it at a decent framerate 😛

[fathom wadi]

I would play a Max Payne remake.

[median wraith]

Why a remake will be better than the original ?

played it on steam nice game

[rich quiver]

Tim is trying how video game industry pays but in long turn nothing will happens

[median wraith]

isn't that own by Rockstar ?

[fathom wadi]

well the original is super dated now. It's the one time I can allow it. Not just an overhaul of gfx though, some quality of life and modern gameplay elements. But the exact same story

[pearl elk]

Max Payne open world with 100hrs of game and cosmetic microtransactions

[median wraith]

well the original still have more polycount than Minecraft

[pearl elk]

not to mention Max Payne Online

[median wraith]

it just don't have RTX

[pearl elk]

Max Payne 3s animation system is still pretty impressive

[winter zealot]

imo RTX is overrated

[fathom wadi]

over-rated for what?

[primal spoke]

"A woman purposely coughed on $35,000 worth of food at a Pennsylvania grocery store, police said", This is America.

[winter zealot]

max payne really looks like it was written by frank miller for some reason

[median wraith]

@winter zealot isn't overrated is the only solution for developers without ideas

[pearl elk]

People are getting big fines for doing shit like that now

I wouldnt risk farting in someones general direction

[winter zealot]

@fathom wadi @median wraith yeah 😄 I think it's allowing for global illumination where it's not needed in most cases and raytracing can happen without RTX basically, but it might be good for baking lightmaps and scenes with lots of reflection

[primal spoke]

A guy coughed into the air the other day a few feet from me, I almost flipped my sh*t

[winter zealot]

for instance, UE4 already has raytraced shadows glass refraction, SSS and defered rendering without RTX

[pearl elk]

some idiots are just defiant right till the bitter end

[fathom wadi]

so.. its not over-rated then, its mis-used :p

[winter zealot]

(because the UE4 renderer is awesome ) Marc yeah I think it's overrated because a whole GPU architecture has been wasted for this, and everyone is saying RTX is the next step

maybe i'm wrong, but I think more cuda cores would have been better

for a game like borderlands3 for instance, you're not gonna use RTX but you can always use more CUDA

[rich quiver]

If all 3 games fail to sale well Epic will lose millions for those games

[fathom wadi]

well from the aesthetic point of view it is. Realtime or not. It's getting baked in good effect too. From a dev point of view, its a workflow improvement, which gives more time for making everything else better. Can't disagree though that slapping RTX GI and AO on just for effect is probably not the right way to do it

[primal spoke]

I almost worked on Borderlands 3, but I screwed up the programming test.

[winter zealot]

argh @primal spoke 😦

[fathom wadi]

I would too most likely.

[deep glen]

I have some friends that work on BL3.
I personally am not sure i'd want to work with randy though

[fathom wadi]

my anxiety would beat me

[winter zealot]

@primal spoke btw can you tell what was the test ? 😮

[primal spoke]

I made an entire video on the experience.

[winter zealot]

omg this awesome 😮

can you share the video by any chance ?

[primal spoke]

sure.

[fathom wadi]

@deep glen You know when you see someone playing Jenga in the bar, and you are waiting for it to fall with baited anticipation, that was me reading Randy's twitter over the time I used it 😄

[primal spoke]

https://youtu.be/AEkU-So4PQI

[fathom wadi]

dem feels tho

[pearl elk]

hmm so Im guessing this publishing partnership doesnt come with an engine requirement

[winter zealot]

oh cmon they didn't beat you, also you'll try again and win !

also @primal spoke much thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I hope you get to get a job like this

[pearl elk]

I bet divisions of other big publishers are so jelly bout now

Its like wtf we dont even get that much freedom and they own us 😛

[winter zealot]

yup, I was gonna say I worry more about indie game development now epic is funding big studios

but it might be anoying to read in the discord etc so i'm not doing that

worries about the state of indie game development all the time

[fathom wadi]

@primal spoke good video. subbed

[ancient hornet]

isn't Playdead considered indie?

[winter zealot]

they're very successful indies from los angeles or whatever

[ancient hornet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playdead

[winter zealot]

not like any average indie dev making 50 000$ a year

@ancient hornet noice, they're very successful indies from copenhagen or whatever

nowadays even normal 5-15 ppl studios are called "indie" just because triple A devs are so big 😊

but i mean, sure good for them

[pearl elk]

Surely Playdead will continue using Unity

[ancient hornet]

well they are switching to 3D

so with that big change, anything goes really

[winter zealot]

yeah right , "" indie studio """ made of 40 employees 😉

[fathom wadi]

So Epic are basically becoming Business Angels except the devs don't get stiffed on 5% at the end?

[pearl elk]

Ahh okay well it might be better for them to move perhaps, I dont see Remedy doing away with their own tech though since its very advanced

[winter zealot]

aaah, bullshitia 😊 a new bullshit everyday isn't it ?

okay gtg bye ppl take care be happy

[ancient hornet]

anything goes includes "sticking to Unity, but in 3D now" though 🙂

[fathom wadi]

gl hf

[pearl elk]

Whatever works, Im just happy to see they have that freedom and Epic isnt trying to inject their engine into the deal

[primal spoke]

@fathom wadi thanks.

[fathom wadi]

I dont think Ubisoft or EA brought companies in house and demanded they shut down their own tech did they? I mean, wasn't snowdrop Massive's tech?

[pearl elk]

EA has yeah, theyre trying to unify with Frostbite

[fathom wadi]

over time it would make a kind of sense if you were normalising development cycles and moving devs around projects. Easier to get them on something they know already

[pearl elk]

you'd think so but Bioware seemed to have nothing but issues with the engine

and now Ghost is becoming Frostbite support for Criterion on the next NFS

DICE probably didnt have enough people to go round, theyre busy developing their own games they cant stop everything to help Bioware etc

[rich quiver]

there 50 know @winter zealot

[pearl elk]

Its not a bad idea at heart so maybe just poorly implemented by EA

[fathom wadi]

got to break eggs to make omelettes

[median wraith]

@ancient hornet isn't Inside 3d ?

[ancient hornet]

hmm, don't think so?

I meant it as :

Playdead's third game, which has been teased as early as January 2017, will be a "fairly lonely sci-fi game somewhere in the universe", according to Jensen. This game will likely use a third-person perspective within a 3D world, as Jensen stated that the studio has "been tired of the limitations in 2D games"

[pearl elk]

I think they used perspective really well, they might have been 2D games but they barely feel like it

[lucid walrus]

ehhh... Playdead is super 3D 😄

I know, because I used their TAA solution that they gave out for free

https://github.com/playdeadgames/temporal

they're fucking 3D wizards

[hazy delta]

@primal spoke that's a neat video, but the editing at the end is a little bit over the top for the stuff that's being shown 😅 good info though

[lucid walrus]

also... ahem... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFkYjAKuUCE

hmm... discord? that was a youtube link 😛

[hazy delta]

lol

but cool, I was wondering how they did that, nice to see there's a talk about it

[lucid walrus]

https://youtu.be/gFkYjAKuUCE

there we go

[hazy delta]

I really love the Low Complexity, High Fidelity talk they did

[lucid walrus]

also

https://youtu.be/RdN06E6Xn9E

right 😄

[hazy delta]

that's the one

sooooo good

[ancient hornet]

their gameplay is still 2D though 😛

[median wraith]

oh well you mean the gameplay

[novel latch]

Inside has gameplay?

(sry, I had to be the one <3)

[primal spoke]

What is this emoji mean?

[soft night]

watching houdini gamedev day 2

[dense atlas]

"The story as I heard it (on the internet) is that there was once a Twitch intern with the last name Kappa. He made an emoticon of his face, which at the time was considered a no-no. And despite it being popular (in part because of said intern's snarky expression), he was fired. However, the icon itself was so popular that it stuck around, and still gets used on Twitch when someone is being sarcastic."

[winter zealot]

about UE4 plugin from the livesteam: they're going to release the plugin sometimes this year, they have artists using the plugin inside Epic they wanna make sure that everything works really well, that's really awesome

[novel latch]

I swear, everyone wants it NOW even if it's broken

[winter zealot]

I totally do too for sure

[novel latch]

Did they actually mention what exactly might not be perfect?

Because what I saw so far, it seems to work

[winter zealot]

I mean it's fine I already got some blenderUE4 workflow 😄 but this is very neat for sure

I dunno really

[forest sparrow]

I don’t blame them for wanting it haha. But, yeah... definitely give it the time it needs to be flushed out to ensure there are fewer issues upon full release. I almost wish the same had been done for Niagara. When that first went into early access it was pretty rough haha.

[winter zealot]

agreed, I wouldn't do this for this plugin but sometimes users like me are very bug sensitive

like, sometimes I got crashes with the new editor widget features... I didn't complain it's fine it's ok

it's just that the more purfect the better etc etc

i'm not hallucinating right ? they're litterally animating inside blender and importing the anim inside UE4 in a single click ?

if by any chance they can import all the animation datablocks of a character in a single click that'd be awesome

I don't know exactly how it's called but in blender there's a feature to have an animation per datablock, and switch the current animation with any datablock

so using this I have a single blender files containing all the anims of a character

so if they can import all the datablocks of a character into UE4 in a click that's even better, it's fine if not 😄

[forest sparrow]

I took quiet the gamble using Niagara in early access for VFX on Star Trek. I was pulling my hair out at how many times it would crash. Now it’s soo much better. I’d rather see something release a little more polished. Of course that’s the risk with working with things in early access and why it explicitly says it’s for early testing, not full production. But meh, I did anyways. Always use early access stuff with caution 😄 It’ll be interesting to see this new plugin develop further 🙂

On a side note, hope everyone is safe and healthy with all this virus nonsense going on.

[winter zealot]

also its not "datablocks" it's "actions" if I remember, they can be changed in the action editor or something

@forest sparrow you mean effects on a tv show ?

[forest sparrow]

Yeah 😄

[novel latch]

I only use Blender, so yeah, you can have all anims in a single blend file, what's so special about it?

[winter zealot]

I don't get why not using houdini but that's awesome 😄

[novel latch]

I might have missed the point ❤️

[winter zealot]

it's because I don't know anything about vfx also 😊

[forest sparrow]

I mean, why not use any program haha

I am not a Houdini user

[winter zealot]

yeah you're experienced in VFX so you know what you're doing 😄

[forest sparrow]

For vfx I heavily rely on my skills within Maya and After Effects 🙂

but... decided to use my knowledge of UE4 and take a jab at the new Niagara early access plugin

[winter zealot]

would never have thought niagara could even be used in a show, honestly that's awesome

[forest sparrow]

was a risk, but yeah it came out quiet well and was used for the final look. I did it on the side while working on numerous other shots

so it was R and D

[winter zealot]

would you know where can we see the niagara shots you did tho ? that'd be lit ( no pun intended 😄 )

[deep glen]

btw Will, the guy who did a lot of the tardigrate creaturething vfx was active on the rtvfx discord for a short bit

[winter zealot]

gosh I hope they'd make a stream about that too

[forest sparrow]

Oooo

[deep glen]

also used ue4 for that

[novel latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyuh06s2nY&feature=emb_logo

[forest sparrow]

yeah I should reach out

and yeah thats it haha

[winter zealot]

thx guys that's awesome, watching that in a moment

[forest sparrow]

I made like 30 variations in a matter of a week

and gave the director tons of ideas for the final look

and then we took it to final in after effects 🙂

Also having to remove that guys arm was a pain haha. Lot of roto and painting / tracking.

[winter zealot]

that's pretty cool yup 🙂

[forest sparrow]

So I really used it for the sake of leveraging real time. Rather than traditional render methods that take hours

I was able to spit out tons of renders with all different types of looks.

Those are just a select few

I am signing off, got a video chat meeting. But nice talking to you guys!

[winter zealot]

thanks for the insights !

[forest sparrow]

mhmm of course, c ya

[winter zealot]

yeah can't wait for this blender plugin, I mean I can because I already work with blender... but it's pretty cool

[signal citrus]

bye will

[zinc matrix]

so

is all gut

or no gut

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/Luos_83/status/1243255219653410819

Yoeri Vleer (@Luos_83)

GF is going to play RE2 Remake.
She gets scared of cute bunnies running towards her.

Sadly she did not give me permission to live-stream her face/reactions.

Twitter

adding tweets in comments about her progression

[dusky shuttle]

Why did upcoming consoles choose amd graphics over nvidia?

[deep glen]

more experience dealing with them trough cpu's, so odds of them delivering best interaction between gpu and cpu are high. and probably a better deal from amd if they forego nvidia

[fluid bloom]

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/news/epic-games-publishing-announcement

[lucid walrus]

omfg, half-life alyx is mindblowing

absolutely flawless contact shadows

absolutely flawless reflections that's not screenspace

(probably simple cubemaps, but still)

absolutely superb texture work

there's like no graphical glitches or muddyness or artifacts anywhere

everything is absolutely rock solid, and holds up to very, very close scrutiny

absolutely jawdropping execution!

(also, tested on a HP Reverb Pro, so I could really get into the small details)

the only cheating I've seen so far is that they change the way objects receive/cast shadows depending on if it's picked up or not

whoever did the texturing on the slugs in the health stations deserve an award

[neon iris]

@deep glen she has every right to be scared

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/51364/time-napoleon-was-attacked-rabbits

[deep glen]

lol

[signal citrus]

rabbits like food, a lot.

[zinc matrix]

ngl rabbits were taller than napoleon

[median wraith]

https://twitter.com/taladorei/status/1243190429283213313

ronnie mcdonnie (@taladorei)

with everyone on lockdown, the lime scooters are finally returning to the river. nature is healing, we are the virus.

Retweets

32604

Likes

166016

Twitter

[soft night]

take this out folks

[scarlet shoal]

Regarding game name trademarks, i'm looking to do it through legal zoom, do you think it is worth $150 to do the comprehensive federal search?

[stable escarp]

@scarlet shoal https://www.igdb.com/

https://rawg.io/

[scarlet shoal]

thank you

It's funny my game is already listed on both those websites

[deep glen]

whoo just got a notification that the ff7 1st class edition has been shipped :)

[tulip orbit]

part 1 of 5?

[deep glen]

part 1 of x

[tulip orbit]

Floppy disk edition

[deep glen]

I really read that as floppy di*k edition and for a second I did not know how to reply

[tulip orbit]

they've made some adult changes to FF7, poor sephiroth

[zinc matrix]

just watched half life alyx gameplay. Valve must have spent so much time thinking of little details for interactable objects, its nuts

[signal citrus]

completely nuts

[north torrent]

Almonds?

[zinc matrix]

cashews

[north torrent]

I do like cashews.

Maybe I should have some delivered to my quarantine.

[rare mauve]

someone needs to make a game where covid-19 is actually a zombifying virus and when the dead come back all they want to do is eat all of the livings' toilet paper

if you lose your TP, your bum starts getting dirty. if you can't clean it anymore, eventually you get dysentery and die

gaben, hire me

[scarlet tartan]

Mercurius FM is doing a live quarantine DJ set in a few minutes! With video game remixes and dance music! Also has live visuals https://youtu.be/38rsWeU-XIM

[north torrent]

I would make a game about Covid-19 without all the zombies and stuff. I would call it Maga-virus 2020.

[pearl elk]

101 year old italian man survived the 1918 flu also survives coronavirus

wow someone complaining about having to pay Steams fee cuz they are releasing a free game

[signal citrus]

Lol

Does valve just eat the cost on free games outside of the entry fee?

[sage ermine]

Aight

How y'all doin?

[north torrent]

Not dead yet.

[novel latch]

Awesome, living in the middle of nowhere, time to go for a 10km run ❤️

[sage ermine]

I didn't realise how socially isolated I already was

[pearl elk]

some people are going crazy, Im just like business as usual

[north torrent]

Only difference for me is the quarantine people won't let me order cheeseburgers...

So I made stew in my hotel room.

Also, the masked people outside my room is a bit different...

[sage ermine]

That would be weird for me too

Given that I live in a house

[pearl elk]

oh so those people in hazmat suits in my house arnt normal

[sage ermine]

For you monsium...

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/et-extra-terrestrial-gif-6155719

[sage ermine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nasa-nasareactions-S99cgkURVO62qemEKM

[novel latch]

I would be more scared of not seeing hazmat suits with all these news

At least they are trying not to spread it

[sage ermine]

The news?

[novel latch]

That coronavirus seems to be more than the regular flu, yes

Imagine getting bombed with messages that you should stay away from people and as soon as you do groceries, nobody gives a damn. That's weird for me

[north torrent]

I am under the kind of quarantine where they beat you with sticks if you don't stay for 14 days.

Not the stay at home and maybe leave if you feel like it.

Have to get my temperature taken constantly and report my health status to the hazmat suit people.

[pearl elk]

theyve marked alot of the shops here with tape on the floor so you know where to stand to be away from other people

[sage ermine]

oh

I thought they were spitting targets

[novel latch]

yeah, same here Monsium, but last time I did groceries (3 days ago), barely anyone gave a damn

[north torrent]

They said I can't have beer in quarantine because being drunk makes it hard for them to test your health...

So I just smuggled in beer and whisky...

[pearl elk]

yeah lots of people are being stupid, stopping for a yarn blocking entrances and aisles

[sage ermine]

It's that aussie "you can't tell me what to do thing"

[north torrent]

Walmart in the States is going to be where all the virus spreading comes from.

Some shmuck who earns $12 an hour to stock shelves at Walmart is going to get murdered...

The lowest paid 'essential' personnel ever.

What's a good game to play on a computer that is total crap?

[analog hamlet]

You can get virus in a hospital visit too i guess. It usually is the place contamination is almost unavoidable, especially for a person with weak immune system.

[north torrent]

I try to avoid hospitals.

I would especially avoid them now with the maga-virus outbreak.

[analog hamlet]

They just report bird flu in my area, in a duck farm killed like 30k figures

Guess when a real super virus comes around they will nuke us all. Easy eh.

[north torrent]

I like ducks...

They are fluffy.

[analog hamlet]

ye and got some n8h9 whatever. Dont remember the name.

I think they take it a little too serious.

[north torrent]

I'm not all too concerned if the human race dies.

[analog hamlet]

Spoken like a true mass murderer :)

[north torrent]

I didn't say I was going to do it. I just don't think anything is meant to last forever.

Stories always end.

[analog hamlet]

Except maybe for energy. Also there's the fact we cycling back to star stuff at some point when sun dies, spreading out our particles to the wide galaxy for being part again of something else. Not as humans, but certain parts of us may go for a very long journey, maybe last forever.

[north torrent]

That's too meta for me.

[pearl elk]

cant believe US has more cases than China now

[lucid walrus]

that's easy to believe... incompetent government vs information supressing government 😛

[north torrent]

That gives us naming rights to call it the Maga-virus.

[pearl elk]

well here in Australia we have more than Singapore and Japan

[north torrent]

Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan did pretty good at containing the cases they got.

Do you know what Maga means, Mr. Olympus?

[pearl elk]

yeah theyve done amazingly same with South Korea

Make Africa Get Anacondas

[north torrent]

Yes.

I'm pretty sure Shanghai has less than 300 cases right now.

The population of Shanghai is about 24 million.

It looks like China is going to ban all travelers from entering the country.

[carmine frigate]

meanwhile in N korea 😛

the had it for years allready 😛

[north torrent]

Why is North Korea still a thing?

[carmine frigate]

its our special lil country 🙂

[north torrent]

Can't understand why the people living there don't just burn it to the ground...

I don't know why I am playing Stardew Valley... I don't even like this game...

[carmine frigate]

you would think i have some more time to clean up my desk now, and i do, but i wont 😛

[north torrent]

I've been procrastinating all quarantine.

I should be working on my UMG stuff, but I am drunk and would probably fuck it all up.

The government should have just called it "2 Week Mandatory Staycation".

[tulip orbit]

ha, yeah I've been been home 3wks now, I've spent a grand total of 2hrs cleaning

but its 3:45am and I cant sleep so I got that going for me...

[north torrent]

I am still teaching online classes. Only an hour of classes per day plus the time it takes to make the lesson.

I was on winter break when all of this stuff started, so I haven't actually been into work since January.

Lost my job at the beginning of February but got another one by the end of the month, so I've been working all of March online.

[novel latch]

Did some groceries today, thought, hey, lemme just go into this store, grab this can of corn and be happy. But no, I have to touch a shopping cart and spread my corona on it and place the can inside.

Am I losing my mind or what do I miss here? 🤔

[north torrent]

I'm drunk and making mashed potatoes.

They are spicy...

[median wraith]

World Wzr Z

just press a button before the spawn

now cannot control my pawn, the menu is gone and can't doa shit

XD

had to shutdown the game fascinating

[novel latch]

I played Watchdogs and AsGreed, as long as I don't have to wait 5 minutes to load the game into the menu, I might try it

[pearl elk]

AssGreed is about right since youre always lookin at their arse 😛

[median wraith]

I liked the old WatchDogs more than that new things

someone of you work with wood ?

[novel latch]

I tried to replicate a bark material in substance designer and I once chopped wood for my grandma

[pearl elk]

I made my own toilet paper from wood once

oh that was last week

[novel latch]

for a second I believed in those words

[zinc matrix]

i think pelicans have a shitty life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwA5r415Zvw
YouTube
gggy1004
펠리컨 ( Pelican )

they want to eat fish, but their mouth gets full with water. just watch it <.<
90% of the fish they catch fall out of their mouth
bcs. they wanna remove the water from their mouth lol

[median wraith]

@pearl elk lol

@novel latch @pearl elk so far played the same map and mode 3 times

[novel latch]

typed "what do pelicans eat", answer: fish 😬 poor pelicans (and poor fish)

@zinc matrix aren't you vegan or something?

[zinc matrix]

why

[pearl elk]

@median wraith in what WWZ?

[sage ermine]

hey ho, anyone here tried the SpaceNebula plugin?

[pearl elk]

I didnt know there was modes, I only do the campaign

[novel latch]

@zinc matrix I need knowledge

[zinc matrix]

what

are you talking

[novel latch]

Thought I could ask you something