lounge

[solid aurora]

or optimized software (games)

[fringe sundial]

and also ps2

[solid aurora]

or both most time

[fringe sundial]

last gen (ps4) was the exception

with middling perf on pc-tier hardware

[solid aurora]

and yet it still managed to push games forward

like really forwards

the next gen consoles will just own pcs for like 12 months

[carmine frigate]

the average pc mayB 😛

[solid aurora]

then there will be new gen of CPUs which might be faster about 30-40% than current gen

[fluid bloom]

https://v.redd.it/wnrz0ds10vn41

that's hilarious 😄

[pearl elk]

man I hated unified shaders so bad for awhile cuz it screwed up the performance on cards without em 😛

[solid aurora]

but then games will be even more optimized

and new CPUs will bottleneck simply because of quite lot of abstractions layers on windows

[fringe sundial]

the problem is that we have reached a plateau on single-thread

so single-thread will, at best, be 10-20% more than console

and that gets eaten by OS overheads and driver overheads

we will have moar cores tho

16 cores on the ryzen

[solid aurora]

I'm pretty sure AMD will push even more cores on consumer market

BUT

[fringe sundial]

scaling is a bitch....

[carmine frigate]

amd is pushing IPC hard

[fringe sundial]

ahmdalhs

[solid aurora]

windows i just not optimized to efficiently manage that many cores

at least current Windows 10

[fluid bloom]

eh

[solid aurora]

idk about Core

[fluid bloom]

I'm sure the scheduler gets improved from time to time

[carmine frigate]

while my 3600 is hz the same as my old cpu the IPC is much higher

[solid aurora]

it is

but it must serve lowest common denominator

it's not linux where you can compile kernel with scheluder optimized for your use case

[fringe sundial]

thing is that the consoles are a 3700 equivalent cpu

with a bit lower clocsk

8 cores of ryzen-gen2

[pearl elk]

parallelism does work better with fixed hardware requirements, far more predictable outcomes

[fringe sundial]

but the thing is... consoles do get a x2 on cpu wpoer

due to what monsium says

on console you can do a job system and have it super calculated

you have 7 cores

render thread, game thread, 5 workers

pinned

and all the stuff done on your engine. The level of control means you can calculate everything so much better

and you can tune your job systems to extreme perf and 95% cpu utilization

[pearl elk]

yeah on PC you might have 8 threads, 12, 24 but if its fixed its easier to optimise for

[carmine frigate]

AMD cpu needs to be in balance to get the real perf out of it tho

altho there is not much OC room there is a lot of tweaking

mem speed and timings are pretty important

[pearl elk]

goes for RAM too, you can push it down to the byte and know every console has that exact amount

[carmine frigate]

so far it looks good but we will have to see

[pearl elk]

Well as always the first round of games will be decent but the consoles wont really get pushed until the second and third rounds of games

games like God of War and Horizon Zero dawn came out later in the PS4s life same with Detroit though it was clear the hardware couldnt keep up with that game

Its much more about how much money you can pour into development if you really want something tecchy so we may get to a point where even big publishers dont see the benefit to go all out 😛

[solid aurora]

those who have big R&D depratments will go all in

gamers expect AAA games to e shiny

Here I'm more interested how much all in can Epic go with general purpose engine

[pearl elk]

Im quite impressed with the games that have been coming out already, if they go too much over that I might not even notice the subtle differences

[solid aurora]

you will RayTracing will make big difference long term

[pearl elk]

yeah I dunno, I feel like HDR will do more for me at this point. Id be willing to sacrifice 4K to get RTX though I think

[fathom wadi]

I think of RTX as more of an advantage to development rather than the end user, but it trickles down

[solid aurora]

I'd say it will be the difference like when we first got programmable shaders

more subtle but noticeable once you turn it off

natural shadows, natural lighting effects (GI)

it adds up, and once you turn it off, it just doesn't look right

[pearl elk]

Im glad volumetrics made a come back in recent times, that makes a huge difference

[fathom wadi]

its true unless you have amazing artists who fill in the blanks when it is turned off. I mean, bar a few things you cant do, you can emulate what RTX does in a lot of cases, because we've been doing that for years

[pearl elk]

Issue I find with simulation is that art typically fakes reality to make it look more interesting

its like faking perspective in 2d

[solid aurora]

you can emulate

[fathom wadi]

yeah but we all suspend disbelief when we play games anyway

[solid aurora]

if you have static enviroment

lots of games want to get out of it

not to mention it simplify piepline

[fathom wadi]

yeah I've been noticing that

[solid aurora]

and speed up production

[fathom wadi]

did UE4 have any serious volumetric upgrades since the addition? Any interfacing with external apps that do it better?

[pearl elk]

yeah forsure I do like more dynamic environments, its just the focus seems to be on realism for RTX rather than boosting performance

[fringe sundial]

@solid aurora i want to see their ecs stuffs

because ECS works extremelly well on background loading scenario

[carmine frigate]

i dunno about this gen of RT

[fringe sundial]

look at the insane costs of spaning stuff in current unreal

in ecs you spawn things for free

i think its one of the reasons unity is doing what they are doing

[solid aurora]

I don't even spawn anymore, if I have more than 3 things I need to spawn in frame

I do pool

;/

[fringe sundial]

with their new subscenes and stuff, you can basically memcopy the memory chunks to ram, and then connect them

[carmine frigate]

yea pool is easy to set up

[fringe sundial]

and you instantiate parts of levels in no cost

[solid aurora]

Yeah I really hoped they show the ECS (Valkyrie) in some GDC talk

or at least annouce it

its perfect match for consoles right now

[pearl elk]

they didnt do any of the GDC talks did they? I was hoping theyd do em on the stream instead

[solid aurora]

not to mention it's perfect for cutining Fortnite server costs

I guess like everybody else 😄

but they still finished the gdc demos

so maybe later ?

@fringe sundial afair in their new system, there were no parts at all. The default solution just loaded any actors that were in particular chunk of quad tree and that's it

but it was extensible to make your own world partitioning if you need one

I do wonder though that if each actor on scene is in separate file

[carmine frigate]

so ECS is comin to unreal?

[solid aurora]

how does managment of Maps look

yes

probabaly faster than unity

lol

[carmine frigate]

sounds good

[fringe sundial]

@solid aurora in unity, new ECS loading system works by subscenes

subscenes are a binary blob of a bunch of entities

[carmine frigate]

niagara is already basically ECS right?

[fringe sundial]

so when loading, it just memcopies from file into RAM, and then "connects" those entities to the main system

the 16 kb chunks

@carmine frigate very similar

[carmine frigate]

i had like 50k bullets with collision in VR with niagara

dope stuff

[solid aurora]

Chaos as well

[carmine frigate]

i dunno about choas,. it allways crashed my PIE or editor

[solid aurora]

it works seamlessly on master

[carmine frigate]

hmm i had a chaos in allmost current master, didnt test it but the build was kinda crashy was doin other experimental plugins tho

[solid aurora]

I use Chaos for few months now

aisde from sometimes "someone forgot to merge something and it doesn't compile"

no issues

although

I do not use physics beyond collisions, traces and cloth

[carmine frigate]

it might be my RX580 8gig, it said something about vid mem a few times i think

so perhaps some AMD mem leak?

also a friend of mine gets crashes on fortnite since chaos

[solid aurora]

had same issue on Nvidia

it's hardly connected to chaos

and more to DirectX 12

and slate

[carmine frigate]

yea i dunno about any of that 😄

make walls go boom

[solid aurora]

been debugging that for a while

and the memory leaks were caused by slate

[carmine frigate]

but only tested like 2 or 3 hours in that test map

but if i log in in and go afk, do nothing i come back and mem crash

and source builds are kinda big so i dont keep too many of em

[soft night]

@carmine frigate are you getting next gen radeon cards?

[carmine frigate]

i hope so 🙂

[pearl elk]

raytraceon cards

[carmine frigate]

from what i see on console stats they gunna be good

i went low end this time cuz the whole 2000 lineup wasnt too impressive

might get a 400$ card when rdna2 comes out

this1 doin allright for now, bought it used for 100$

could have gone 1080ti for 300, but navi was just around the corner

2080ti i didnt want out of principle 😛

just aint payin that

[soft night]

DXR 1.1 give some raytracing power also for amd too

[carmine frigate]

yea thats kinda cool, im really fan of high fps tho

i think 120fps medium settings loosk better than 60 ultra

just visual speaking

[soft night]

when target DirectX 12 Ultimate it give some power to target

[carmine frigate]

in some games fps doesnt matter that much tho

[soft night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvIXvF6r--A

[carmine frigate]

ye that mesh shading looks dope

[pearl elk]

lol they scared to do DX13

[soft night]

@pearl elk the DirectX 12 Ultimate is name for DirectX 12.2

[solid aurora]

idk what DX13 would bring

if DX12 gives you more or less direct access to hardware

[pearl elk]

bad luck 😛

Vulkan seems to work pretty well

[fluid bloom]

microsoft continuing on the tradition of their confusing as fuck naming conventions

[pearl elk]

Direct X Series X One X 9 14 21

[soft night]

DIrectX ultimate support windows 10 and xbox series X

[pearl elk]

I dunno how they missed the opportunity to do DX X and Windows X and the XBox

X doesnt mark the spot I suppose

[deep glen]

just finished the new Ori

hnng

IM NOT CRYING, YOU ARE CRYING

[pearl elk]

Im not crying, I have dirt in my eye

[soft night]

you are breathtaking

MonsX the new things on X ecosystem for Mons

[alpine fern]

so many epic games releasing so close together

now I have to play the new ori, doom eternal, half life alyx, who knows what else

[deep glen]

anime crossing

*animal

[tulip orbit]

animal crossing switch only?

[deep glen]

yuz

[tulip orbit]

😦

[alpine fern]

console exclusives 👎

[deep glen]

im not bothered by it

[soft night]

all exculives go like that right @alpine fern

[alpine fern]

well yeah I don't play xbox and ps4 games either since I don't have those systems

[deep glen]

doubt there are any ps5 games atm :p

[alpine fern]

fixed

[deep glen]

the only game im annoyed with being exclusive is the new senua one.

but itll either end up on pc or ps5 at some point i hope

[pearl elk]

PS5 will be backwards compatible for like 4000 titles or somethin

so if you got a PS4 pleb you'll basically be playing like Pro with better FPS

[carmine frigate]

i dunno if u get more fps

the pro was more for 4k or something

[soft night]

luos: pc and xbox

might be done highly targeted for this DIrectX 12 Ultimate

[pearl elk]

from what I heard the new Xbox doesnt have any exclusives

[soft night]

well there is e3 press

[pearl elk]

Theyre trying to guide people through a steady upgrade instead of making it a wall

[soft night]

Halo Infinite coming to it

[pearl elk]

Some games if you buy on Xbone you get it on Series X too

[soft night]

ps5 get backward compability to ps4 and ps4 pro

so yeah if you have games on external drive it helps

it doesnt mean there is no exclusives

[pearl elk]

there isnt, not yet

[soft night]

its too early for those

[pearl elk]

its because they want to support the previous gen still which makes sense

the One X is still pretty powerful

hopefully the older Xbone just drops off

[soft night]

i heard monsolympian have support for atari games still

[pearl elk]

lol Im a new game snob, I rarely play older games

mainly because Ive already played lots of em

[fluid bloom]

I sure wish c++ had rust style enums and pattern matching

[alpine fern]

more like unions which were wrongly named "enum"

[fluid bloom]

tagged unions more like

[cursive crypt]

whatca you talkin' about? 🤔

[alpine fern]

doesn't make it less useful tho

sometimes it would be super nice to have that

watch them add it to c++23

but you need to use over engineered cursed syntax to work with it

making it useless

[fluid bloom]

hence why I want rust style pattern matching too 😄

maybe in 30 years we'll have this advanced game engines written in rust 🤔

[alpine fern]

if unreal was written in rust it would take like one week to compile

[pearl elk]

maybe in 30 yrs we wont need rust

[fluid bloom]

I'd rather use that than whatever monstrosity C++ is after 30 years from now 😄

[pearl elk]

true but there will be new languages, python is barely 30

[cursive crypt]

Yeah, wonder what will be the new hype after few years...

[pearl elk]

new language called Crust

it takes all the crap from other languages and compiles into one

[cursive crypt]

No! I know! Corona Sharp

Hmm.. that C#

[alpine fern]

in 30 years you talk to an AI and it writes the optimal implementation for you

[cursive crypt]

Hope not

[pearl elk]

I sure do hope so, I really need that sort of tech now because writing code is tedious

[cursive crypt]

Me not, will type a lot of bullshit.

[pearl elk]

who better to know what a machine wants than the machine itself

[cursive crypt]

That big

[fluid bloom]

but then I'd have to learn which one is a bracket, which is a parenthesis and which is a curly bracket or brace.... I got confused already

[alpine fern]

no human will still understand how the computers work since the AI designed those too

when the system eventually crashes, no one can fix it, throwing us back to the stone age

[pearl elk]

8" floppies yay

[cursive crypt]

Hmmm... until the hardware does not change, so not and the low level langs.

Guess the middleware will be pushing.

Like UE, or whatever human interface assisted IDEs

[pearl elk]

you ever see The Fly?

[cursive crypt]

Expelled one the other day. Don't like them flying at my room.

But you talk about else?

[pearl elk]

its a movie

[cursive crypt]

What is interesting about it?

[pearl elk]

The computer is giving us its interpretation... of a steak. It's, uh translating it for us; it's rethinking it, rather than *reproducing* it, and something is getting lost in the translation.

lots of stuff

he tells the computer to be creative and it splices him with a fly

[cursive crypt]

Computers creative? Hmm... lol

[fringe sundial]

@alpine fern http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2019/p1371r1.pdf

[pearl elk]

yes well the computer he uses to do teleportation is pretty funny, its almost as good as the one in Tron

[fringe sundial]

this is the proposal

for cpp23

for pattern matching

[alpine fern]

wait is it actually a thing

[fluid bloom]

pattern matching?

yes

[fluid bloom]

I watched a presentation about it and seemed fucked up

well, doesn't look that bad

[fringe sundial]

you still need std variant...

[alpine fern]

[fringe sundial]

but basically its like a turbocharged switch

can also be used as switch replacement

[median wraith]

each day thats less readable lol

[fathom wadi]

I had an std variant once. But that's another story.

what do people think about using std in unreal projects?

[fringe sundial]

dont

[fathom wadi]

thats what everyone says

[fringe sundial]

unreal alternatives are universally better

there is just no need

[alpine fern]

more like 🚮::variant

[fringe sundial]

one that you might want to use is std::algorithm

unreal basically just has sort

but std algo has a lot of fun stuff on it

and it works on TArrays

[fathom wadi]

but what if there is no specific case for it in Unreal. Do you write new unreal based stuff for it or defer to std for an edge case?

[fringe sundial]

havent really needed to

ive used std algorithms

[fathom wadi]

never had to set precision?

[fringe sundial]

?

[fathom wadi]

floating point precision

[fringe sundial]

what do you mean floating point precision

[fathom wadi]

0.123456 is unreals fpp to 6 decimals. What do you do when you need more for accuracy?

[fluid bloom]

std::algorithm deals with data structures mainly based on a quick look

[alpine fern]

just use double?

[fringe sundial]

@fluid bloom it doesnt

it takes iterators, and does stuff on them

it does not do anything data structure related

[fluid bloom]

The algorithms library defines functions for a variety of purposes (e.g. searching, sorting, counting, manipulating) that operate on ranges of elements. Note that a range is defined as [first, last) where last refers to the element past the last element to inspect or modify.

[fringe sundial]

and unreal supports those ranges

thats just begin() + end()

[cursive crypt]

I love <algorithm>

[alpine fern]

why is it one header

[cursive crypt]

<numeric> kinda too

Coz its easier?

[fringe sundial]

@alpine fern because cpp is retarded

yes, its a 50k lines + header

[cursive crypt]

gosh

[alpine fern]

how the hell do they even maintain these

[cursive crypt]

There are some pushes wrt to lib maintainers in the latest standards - sure

[fluid bloom]

I guess C++ match/inspect stuff doesn't support ranges?

[cursive crypt]

You can't just change or add stuff in that lang like its a toy in your home, it is too used everywhere

[fathom wadi]

Python said that once. :p

[cursive crypt]

?

[fathom wadi]

they had a set of rules. They kind of go out of the window when popularity ensues, especially in open source.

[cursive crypt]

Python been always kinda hmm... how to say? Like a tool made by your buddy in a garage? Anyway, it never changed so much between 2 and 3 and is quite old too.

[alpine fern]

this thing in that paper looks like a disaster..

[fluid bloom]

match (or inspect in c++ speak) expressions would help a ton in situations like that

[alpine fern]

am more talking about how balancing your tree should not cause all these unnecessary memory allocations and frees and updating ref counts

[pearl elk]

Tree balancing, booooring

[alpine fern]

actually I've never seen anyone use some kind of balanced tree in practice

[fluid bloom]

@alpine fern you mean the make shared calls or what?

[alpine fern]

yes

[fluid bloom]

looked at the pattern match version of that balance, the syntax is really, really noisy and confusing

[alpine fern]

that seems to be the point of most of the "modern" c++ things...

"how can we compress this syntax?" "what do you mean for what reason?"

[fathom wadi]

at this point aren't we due a new ground breaking language anyway? Something that caters for AI and quantum systems?

[tulip orbit]

we have blueprints 😄

[fluid bloom]

at some point I imagine C++ has to ditch some old syntax in order to make way for new and maybe better things if they want it 😄

[cursive crypt]

Old syntax? That lang is updated each 3 years as of recently. Some things are obsoleted, new are added and so on. Its changing.

[zinc matrix]

Never thought I'm gonna see end of the world before modules.

[median wraith]

I see this on the marketplace

https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/Forest Path 1-1920x1080-9ad63236c8a0d76b041057f187455323.png

Then enter and is this

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/9b1bd643639c49e889fb1f608fa46905

😂

[fathom wadi]

oh man when you look at the pic and then what is there, you think "is that an instagram filter?"

[median wraith]

Seriously Epic shouldn't allow this crap

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/3220dad18e1b48698177c553ca8e1dbe

[fathom wadi]

why? its megascans tho

[median wraith]

are doing it with every pacl

[alpine fern]

incredible, I clicked an unrealengine.com link and it worked the first time

[fathom wadi]

me too I was gonna say something

[median wraith]

its because the link

[fathom wadi]

maybe with everyone at home, the login servers are switched off :p

[median wraith]

its the filtered one

🤖

I'm looking for a realistic foliage pack with trees

but

[soft night]

hevForest most real looking than real forest

[thin storm]

there actually no real tree only stomps or half trees. good luck with that. some bushes would be good though.

[tulip orbit]

Needs shrubberies

[pearl elk]

And herrings

Ekky ekky ptwang zupoing... nee

[soft night]

what?

[median wraith]

https://youtu.be/rH_KQ34QjMI?t=113

[tulip orbit]

🐇

[cursive crypt]

🦊

[zinc matrix]

HIII

wuddup

[median wraith]

so they removed the last doom multiplayer

and made some kind of Evolve mode ?

[plucky pagoda]

ugh... I just added debugging symbols.

Dial up speeds ...

https://youtu.be/d7KpWxAhbzo

[tulip orbit]

Was gonna start up a sidescrolling project, then remembered I had one started already, so I opened that again.... such spaghetti!

was in 4.20, so I upgraded it to 4.23

[median wraith]

I keep at 421

Doing a decent progress on mine

[tulip orbit]

Mine needs a fair bit of adjustment. Controls feel really... sloppy? loose? need to tighten things up a bit

[plucky pagoda]

4.23 adds a lot of nice features that improve workflow. Little editor tweaks and stuff. 4.22 to 4.24 all those versions have seen big improvements.

[tulip orbit]

Was thinking of bringing it to .24, but I'd have to dl/install it and I didnt feel like waiting

[median wraith]

I ported things from 4.25

and the engine is heavy edited

don't plan to update soon

Will make a video about the changes and all probably 🤔

[plucky pagoda]

omg do not try and update your engine installs today.

[median wraith]

XD

[tulip orbit]

lol

[plucky pagoda]

Yeah, tried to add debugging symbols and losing an hour or so of work time.

Bah, it was my fault. The encryption on my VPN was slowing it down.

[tulip orbit]

goddamnit. accidently double clicked and it opened VS >_<

[fluid bloom]

insert interstellar's this little manoeuvre is going to cost us 50 years pic

https://i.redd.it/w5zm53zvf8c41.jpg

[soft night]

what about 600 years?

https://twitter.com/bioware/status/1241409620637184001?s=20

BioWare (@bioware)

Today we celebrate 3 years of exploring the galaxy with great friends. Happy Birthday, Mass Effect: Andromeda! https://t.co/JKIcBoDr0y

Retweets

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[cursive crypt]

Have assigned c++ files to text editor instead. Screw vs

[deep glen]

https://i.gyazo.com/796012841280efc5dbb64e684275e0ba.gif I think I need to stop adding details.

[median wraith]

Luos what kind of game are you making

you got me intrigued

[deep glen]

iunno, just adding unneeded detail, like frogs riding the waterway

[mossy nexus]

They **are **needed though

where are the fish? Carp and the likes... ? 😄

[deep glen]

I do have them, but that would mean even more stuff

so imma not add them to the waterway hehe

also, is it just me or is discord slow af atm

[plucky pagoda]

everything is today

or so it seems

[median wraith]

yeah discord for a week is doing rare things

we are about collapse the system

[coral gust]

Hi do we have an UE4 team for Folding@Home?

I'd imagine the whole ue4 community can turn up a huge amount of processing power

[tulip orbit]

busy compiling shaders

[carmine frigate]

i got a free week of pornhub im downloading it all

[tulip orbit]

@carmine frigate in a week: https://i.imgur.com/MdDUrDM.gif

[zinc matrix]

https://i.imgur.com/cQBTU94.png the clamp will be lower of course. but do youthink this setup will make the wheel non-wobbly?

[tulip orbit]

meanwhile I got a grappling hook working in my game 😄

clamped to a table is a good idea

[zinc matrix]

@tulip orbit ... look closer. regarding physics

look how bad the setup is

steering wheel isn't fully pressed onto table.

bcs. table model is special

[tulip orbit]

oh, yeah you want it pressed against it... The clamps arent the best to begin with

[zinc matrix]

arent the best?

[tulip orbit]

Well, they're only plastic... it'd be better if they were metal

[zinc matrix]

its not about the material im talking..

[tulip orbit]

Mines attached to a special made table, and I got it clamped on good once, and havent moved it since so its pretty solid

[tulip orbit]

yeah it might be

[carmine frigate]

yea could also buy an expensive model and end up with a ghetto clamp 😛

ghetto clamps clamp the best

[stiff crystal]

if you uncertain it'll stick, just put some antislip material under the area where the clamp touches the table underneath

basically the main reason why the clamps do now always hold is because the wheel can move under a lot of force, having more friction to the clamps pressure area will help on that

@zinc matrix

could do similar thing on top of the table too

I have that type of attachement on my old logitech wheel, it doesn't slip that easliy

[tulip orbit]

Grrr.. Trying to make a grappling/rope swing. But the player continuously lowers down over time 😦

[stiff crystal]

I feel that the thrustmaster fastening is more wonky tbh

[zinc matrix]

@stiff crystal ya but i had logitech GT once and i was not able to clamp it onto my shitty table

but according to my todays planning in blender, it should be clampable

what am i missing

[junior tide]

any women (30+) in here right now?

need some feedback on project of mine

need a woman's opinion .. as they are the target audience for that project

need to ask only few quick questions

[stiff crystal]

that doesn't look weird at all 😄

[junior tide]

ofcourse a DM is okay 🙂

[zinc matrix]

@junior tide do gays count too?

26 yo

single and versatile in bed. not just in bed

[soft night]

now this started to go more weirder

[junior tide]

nah, the client said women only 🙂

[zinc matrix]

( i am serious)

i am gay

XD

gays can be pretty feminine

your client should want gays too

[soft night]

i had momo pedal and wheel before what got broken spring on one side

[junior tide]

Thanks for the offer, but looking to hear a 30+ women's opinion

[soft night]

it used 2 springs to keep it middle like recover if you not hold the wheel

[zinc matrix]

@soft night hm ok

[soft night]

@zinc matrix it can be different based of manufacturers

[zinc matrix]

what do you mean

[soft night]

i think other what i had didnt use springs to center the wheel

[zinc matrix]

okey? but what do you mean .. i dont get it

is thsi related to me?

@zinc matrix nice

omg again same Bug !!

ol

nice what?

why you post weird stuff

nice but weird?

what?

WHY

you said nice to me, and then weird.

i dont get it

[stiff crystal]

@soft night proken spring on the pedal?

I've had two of those momo wheels, still have one for device support testing purposes

both of them had worn out bearings on the pedals, making them not go 100% in games

[soft night]

@stiff crystal on wheel

[stiff crystal]

had to fix boths pedalsets manually by machining new plastic bearings for them (originals are just narrow plastic walls that wear into oval shape)

ah, I haven't really had issues on the momo's wheel

besides it being super noisy and it resists all movement due to the mechanism 😄

on my logitech g25 however, I had whole internal structure fractured

had to epox glue it back together

logitech build quality doesn't really impress me on these wheels

can't expect wonders from plastic tho

[soft night]

the wheel what got that spring broke it was heavy used for sure

[glad parrot]

@zinc matrix get a WheelStandPro... great investment

[deep glen]

--for when playing dark souls

[glad parrot]

lol

[deep glen]

https://i.gyazo.com/2e650b4d151df9661a93d2e2fdf53191.gif when the shadows create an evil face.

[fathom wadi]

oh yeah I see it now

obviously my photoshop skills need work

[deep glen]

lol

[zinc matrix]

https://i.imgur.com/uVAJIyo.png

[deep glen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/haydiroket-haydiroket-tmnt-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-HlKxgLJXMasiA

[zinc matrix]

@zinc matrix omg you have fantasy

u the only one who sees that there

[deep glen]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/folding-at-home-worlds-top-supercomputers-coronavirus-covid-19

[neon iris]

Still dream of a fish tank computer

[deep glen]

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1240371160078000128?s=21 oh ffs

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[solar nebula]

@deep glen but they had to wait for 2-3 months for it, don't you think they deserve it hurr

[left oracle]

Yo I'm new to game dev trying to learn some unreal 4 stuff and looking for someone who could join a screenshare and show me a few basics. I'm 100% willing to pay some $ too. Not looking for a ton of info, but just trying to get this idea off the ground. This is honestly really basic stuff and instead of watching hours and hours of tutorials that might cover what I'm trying to learn, I'd rather just pay someone to guide me

Plus lots of people can't work right now so it's a win win

if this is the wrong channel for this I'm sorry

[plucky pagoda]

It really should be under looking for talent. The mods are pretty laid back but this kind of stuff usually gets called out.

[left oracle]

I just saw that

I'll delete and post there

[plucky pagoda]

Honestly, you're better off following some tutorials or working through learn.unrealengine.com than paying someone when you're just getting acquainted with things. learn.unrealengine is really getting a lot of attention is turning into a great resource.

[left oracle]

I've been digging through stuff for hours

And if I had someone to show me I would be working by now. Again I'm willing to pay

[plucky pagoda]

What engine did you use before?

[left oracle]

I just don't have any game dev friends available so I figured I'd reach out here. I bet it would take like 20-30 minutes tops

I've done some basic python and C++

[pearl elk]

Game devving across the universe

[left oracle]

Ended up getting help from a guy who posted in #looking-for-work and he lives like 20 minutes from my house. Small world.

Plus he made some extra money tonight and I'm no longer wanting to jump off my roof attempting to figure stuff out. Win-Win!

[analog hamlet]

Wonder what stuff you try figure out require jumping off roofs.

[pearl elk]

Coulda just asked, might have got it for free 🙂

[analog hamlet]

Stuff for free doesnt worth that much does it.

[pearl elk]

What youre talking about is perceived value not real value

[left oracle]

I probably could have

But times are tough for people right now. Lots of devs without work. And if the answers I needed didn't have value, I would have found them with google. I was happy to support the guy

[analog hamlet]

What's the difference, Monsium?

[pearl elk]

Ive learn alot from people offering me advice and help, obviously its hit and miss because of the amount of people in here. Theres alot of people around who know their stuff, I like to think Im one of em 🙂

The difference is paying $8 for a $4 coffee

[left oracle]

I needed like a solid 30-45 minutes of someone's time. I wouldn't ask that of anyone I don't know for free.

[analog hamlet]

It's called over priced, or perhaps all inclusive services (eg an extra cookie and a pot of water next to the mug)

[pearl elk]

Well thats nice of you but thats not to say its not being offered if you actually have something which requires that sort of attention. If you ask you might find there is a much more effective way to achieve what you want to do

[analog hamlet]

I think real value is determined by how we perceive it's use of an object. Probably a bit over my head already with this.

[left oracle]

And while I don't know programming/unreal well, I do enough video/audio/photo work to know that this shit has value even if you just give them your time.

Plus he had just lost his job I think so I was more than happy to pay. Shit's getting rough out there for people and I am lucky I still have full time work

idk

pay it forward I guess

[analog hamlet]

Nikon, just call it an investment into learning. May it work out for ya.

[left oracle]

exactly

I've tried diving into unreal multiple times over the years. Each time I'd get stuck, close the project, and never reopen them. I didn't want to do that again. Not today.

[pearl elk]

Fair enough, hell I even do that and Ive been using UE4 since beta

Sometimes the problem isnt the tools 🙂

[analog hamlet]

Nikon i like fiddling with projects of others, either free of paid, chances are theres a gem hiding in somewhere to be learned about.

[left oracle]

There's nothing more frustrating than knowing you know something can be done, but not having the resources to help you get there. I know a shit ton about audio because I was lucky to work for a guy who was a GOD for that shit. He always was there when I'd get stuck. I just needed someone like that tonight for unreal 🙂

[pearl elk]

One thing Ive found which helped me was not getting hung up on a single task, to move on to something else and come back. Obviously you dont want to jump to too many tasks, especially with bug fixing though Id get caught up and then things would grind to a halt. Coming back with fresh eyes helped me fix many bugs I coulda wasted days on.

[dusky shuttle]

my game controllers' sockets always break down after a short period of use, what do?

[analog hamlet]

Especially the magic of 'next day'. I sit here and fix in 5 minutes, but seemingly wasted hours the day before.

[left oracle]

I'm this way with new programs. If it's an issue in After Effects, then I just move on to another scene/project/whatever. But when it's a new program and I can't get it working I tend to just give up. Once I have a foundation, then I'm normally good moving forward.

I know I'm smart enough to learn this stuff, but I don't know why but I walk away too easy if I'm not invested enough into it and don't have someone to turn to with questions.

I need to learn programming though. The more I learn the more I realize I should have done this a long time ago. It jives with exactly like my brain works. Always a puzzle to solve.

[analog hamlet]

Here are plenty of people you can ask

[pearl elk]

Programming can be tricky, some concepts just evade you for ages then they finally click and its those AHAH moments that will keep you going

[analog hamlet]

Yes and learning of cpp programming can be a steep curve, but unreal cpp is relatively simplified and focusing on the task dealing with.

comments can be deceiving tho beware

[left oracle]

C++ is really fun so far

I know I'm only into the easy stuff though

Just like math was all fun and games until the fucks started adding letters and shit

You questioned everything after that moment. All your math teachers before that failed to prepare you.

[pearl elk]

lol yeah well it gets far worse than that with C++ but I dont want to scare you away. Its almost like theres different tiers of C++

[left oracle]

I do desktop support and have been stuck with nowhere to move up to so I'm trying to learn between calls

I'm learning jack shit. You can only fix a printer so many times

before you just hate everything

but I also work in healthcare so I try not to complain much considering my job is really secure

thankfully I can work from home

[pearl elk]

did you try kicking it 😛

[left oracle]

I've asked people what floor they work on, and if the answer was 3 or higher have told them to find a window

I don't think that call got picked to review from my boss though

shame

[analog hamlet]

i think did similar with web dev when shifting towards doing new stuff with unreal instead. you can learn in small steps and spending a few hours on every day gets you somewhere indeed. one must be passionate (or simply obsessed) with this stuff tho, that motivates beyond sanity

[left oracle]

This whole thing is triggered by Satisfactory

I'm literally designing my own interface to build factories in the game instead of doing it in a cad drawing program

I'm trying to make a game to play another game

I'm an idiot

[analog hamlet]

sandbox

[left oracle]

That's cheating

[pearl elk]

Satisfactory is a fun game, Ive played a fair bit of it myself

[left oracle]

This is what I've been doing for "fun"

[analog hamlet]

editor is a very good tool for sandboxing and prototyping what you will run later. tho maybe i missed your point

i also built stuff like that in native instruments reaktor back in 2000s. jeskola buzz looks similar too

[left oracle]

I'm in need of a reason to learn how to program and I'm using this as the excuse

I've had too many "I bet I could figure out how to do that myself" moments

and here we are

[analog hamlet]

you were right actually with that assumption

[left oracle]

I designed everything and built it, only to discover I missed a connection and had to change it. I couldn't do it without having to move a foundation one tile over, and grass stuck through

So I tore the entire thing down and started over

This game is not good for my ocd

[pearl elk]

Dont you need smelters infront of those assemblers?

[left oracle]

V2 was much nicer though

oh yeah those are smelters I just copied them and didn't rename

[pearl elk]

oh right those would be forges cuz its coal for steel

[left oracle]

err forges

whatever they're called now

I've played this game for like 5 days

the fuck is wrong with me

Someone help me I can't stop lol

[pearl elk]

lol Ive spent about 100hrs in it so far

and I swear Im getting worse at it every time I play

[left oracle]

uhhh... how many days have I actually been playing it? Because I have 4 days in it... holy shit

[pearl elk]

Im glad they got the skipping the early game stuff now

[left oracle]

Not going into the office along with no adult league hockey has wrecked my perception of time

Yeah I started like 3 days before the update

whenever that was

it felt like 5 days ago

Now I know who to ask about Unreal, and show finished factories to.

[pearl elk]

gah where do you show that page you got there?

ahh here it is, dot dot dot

[pearl elk]

says 5 days of satisfactory experimental

but I was playing before they tracked that probably, I used to play the non experimental then changed over

[left oracle]

I've owned it for months

but never played because lol epic launcher

[tulip orbit]

5days of EA, 14days of experimental 😄

[left oracle]

Never had any games I played to keep it installed

[pearl elk]

I lost my early saves cuz no cloud saves and I did a reinstall 😦

[left oracle]

But a buddy had me try the cycle, and then I saw it again... this time I gave it a go

oh no

[pearl elk]

Theyve moved the spawn points now compared to those

Ive explored most of the map, its huge

[left oracle]

I've only finished the first two space needle things. I'm not even that deep into it

but I want to get factories done of the three parts you need, and I want them to look nice

I just re-did my power plant situation too

[pearl elk]

I had trains once when they first came online but it was buggy

the liquids thing is cool, makes petroleum much more challenging

I used to have fuel come straight out of the ground into the power plants like I did with coal but now theres liquids you actually have to think more

I kept getting brown outs on my power turns out my water supply was dropping from going to too many coal power plants, much better than just infinite power production

[left oracle]

yeah that's what I was running into

that's how this all started. I can't stand seeing stuff get backed up

or not having enough resources so machines idle

[pearl elk]

did you unlock overclocking yet? That lets you turn down machines speed so they use less power if they run out of resources

[left oracle]

so I started with a piece of paper and a few drawing. Then I opened up an old cad program. And then after I realized I can't automate the program like I want, and even if I could don't want to invest time into it, realized I could do it in unreal

Yeah I did

overclocking saved one of my builds actually

I thought I needed 2 parts per minute. I needed 5. OC to 250% saved my ass

[pearl elk]

Im always shuffling around power cores

[left oracle]

Maybe we'll play sometime

None of my friends want to buy it until it's out on steam. Since that's soon Im without buddies

I don't blame them though. It's like knowing a game is going f2p. I'd wait too

[pearl elk]

yeah I mostly play solo, Id imagine it'd be alot faster with a few people

[tulip orbit]

coughs https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner

[left oracle]

When I played Ark, I'd stay back and build the base. Everyone else had other jobs

Look I know that's a thing you don't need to rub it in. I already know I'm fucking crazy 😛

[tulip orbit]

😄

when update 3 first came out, none of the new stuff was in the calculators so I had to do all the math by hand on scrap paper

[left oracle]

Where's the fun in using that when I can learn an entire new skill, get frustrated trying to learn it, and throwing money at the problem therefor spending more money on this than I did the game itself? Huh? That sounds like total fun to me sir

again

what the fuck is this game

[pearl elk]

I find its more the layout thats the issue rather than which machines to use

[left oracle]

yeah I want to do both

[pearl elk]

Ive been cheating lately using the conveyor lifts since it allows you quickly to shortcut over the top

[left oracle]

but I'd be lying if that calculator wouldn't have saved me literal hours of my life

[tulip orbit]

my main iron/steel production is nice and neat cause i've done it enough times... but everything after is a terrible mess

especially now with all the pipes

[pearl elk]

Ive got a layout I like for smelters but constructors and assemblers are still a mess

[left oracle]

You uncultured swine

[pearl elk]

lol coal is so funny now with pipes going everywhere

[left oracle]

tear it all down and do it again like a real man

[pearl elk]

lol in the process of doing that

[left oracle]

It's not the correct move

[pearl elk]

I need to use the vehicle bays but Im lazy so I just get to trains and use those instead

[left oracle]

but dammit if it doesn't feel good in the moment

Have not tried them yet

I'm sure once I do I'll think "why the fuck did I wait again"

[pearl elk]

pathing the vehicles can be tricky but the annoying thing is stocking up the fuel manually, theyre not as useful until you have petrol and youre not far off trains by then anyway

[left oracle]

https://imgur.com/a/dLbisFS

here's some screenshots

[signal citrus]

This is mp?

[left oracle]

that was my very first factory

yeah

Don't buy it it's fun as fuck

That makes more sense after you play it

[pearl elk]

Im not sure I like the new power poles, they are probably more performant

[left oracle]

oh shit it's 2am

[tulip orbit]

I cant sleep 😦 guess I'll gamedev

[zinc matrix]

^:(

i should start day from coldshower

[zinc matrix]

cold shower ben taken

[soft night]

you are the only hope ben kenobi

[carmine frigate]

i kinda liked the new starwars 🙂

wasnt a big fan of the side stories

well the mandalorian is dope

[soft night]

with SD quality?

[pearl elk]

9 was better than 8 thats forsure

still all over the place and the cuts wernt as good, to me Solo has be the closest in terms of Lucas directing since he stopped

makes sense though since Ron Howard knew Lucas since American Graffiti

[sage tendon]

Dialoge of Palpatine was too limited to repetitive one liners, but I really loved the sound design

[pearl elk]

I was alittle disappointed by the music, it was abit too much in the background and just repeated similar themes we've heard in the original trilogy. Solo did that too but it blended it with alot more new music

[sage tendon]

Last 3 movies mostly recylced the emperors throne room theme though 😅

[pearl elk]

but maybe thats what they thought people wanted since the prequels didnt really get the buzz. Thing about the two new trilogies compared to the original, I feel like the second (5th) is the strongest movie but 8 and 2 are just shocking

[sage tendon]

I just cant stop wondering who and hoe they build that final fleet underwater

8 wasnt made by Abrahams, thats why it feels so off

[pearl elk]

true it was written by some other idiot who thought throwing people off the obvious path was being smart

might work fine for a murder mystery not so much for Star Wars

throws his lightsaber out the window

[rustic thorn]

can somebody help me im stuck at packaging sandbox cleanup

[sage tendon]

I hated the most that no limbs were lost in 7 and 8 :P

[pearl elk]

lol spoilers

[sage tendon]

In all SW people lost limbs until disney took over

[pearl elk]

||I was waiting for it in 9, its like any minute now Rey will lose her hand||

[sage tendon]

||Abrahams wanted to mirror the original triology as much as possible, she shouldve lost her hand in ep 8 :D||

[pearl elk]

||Yes but she isnt a Skywalker so maybe it should have been Kylo who lost his||

https://tenor.com/view/hand-walk-leaving-walking-away-sidewalk-ilost-my-body-gif-15214110

There were a few nice touches in 9 so I do think JJ did well with the fan service

[carmine frigate]

a lot of pretty dope settings

i should watch it sometime with set design in mind

[fringe sundial]

Rei should have gone to the dark side

massive dissapointment she didnt

[novel latch]

I didn't watch the new ones, but had plans to do so, I still read the spoilers since I might die soon 🤔

[fringe sundial]

she screamed dark sides FAR more than anakin did on the prequels

[rustic thorn]

why is packaging projects so hard

[pearl elk]

She woulda needed big boy pants to be dark side

[novel latch]

https://i.gyazo.com/8877a3a31bc9b4bdd99c075d29764dbc.png

Will this come with a dark mode? 🤔

also, @rustic thorn what are you trying?

[rustic thorn]

im trying to package for linux on a windows

i keep getting stuck at sand box cleanup

#packaging

pls help

[novel latch]

linux huh?

I'm out 🕵️

[pearl elk]

hmm so now Australia is on lockdown

time to write that novel Ive always been meaning to write

[rustic thorn]

;-;

ive been trying to do this for like 5 hours

[pearl elk]

are you using an official australia post box for packaging?

[carmine frigate]

i only packaged a server for linux once long time ago

i did it over visual studio

[rustic thorn]

how?

[soft night]

MonsBox the most used machine with MonsOS

[carmine frigate]

i used this

https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Dedicated_Server_Guide_(Windows_%26_Linux)

but you dont need a dedi server

[rustic thorn]

hm

this seems so complex can a beginner like me do this?

[carmine frigate]

i dunno i only build for linux once long time ago

[rustic thorn]

;-;

[carmine frigate]

https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Compiling_For_Linux

ur log says exeeded max mem

mayB try package a template project 1st

[rustic thorn]

how do i increase max memory?

[pearl elk]

@soft night if I did make an OS it probably would be widely used amongst gamers 😛

[pearl elk]

wow, looks like i wont be able to beat Doom Eternal 😦

good idea to make an enemy who is shielded almost 100% of the time with side buddies who screw you from behind

[soft night]

its easy to kill

[pearl elk]

nah its not, I cant even get close to killing the Marauder

[soft night]

have you not killed something not directly

[pearl elk]

might help if I had some of the remote explosive types but I dont

shows a flaw in the logic in the design of these games though, I had a similar issue in Hard Reset when I got all the grenade types but I needed laser and rockets to beat a certain boss. They never give you an indication of what you might need in advance

[soft night]

not have gun what do area damage on impact?

[pearl elk]

the shield blocks most of the damage as far as I can tell, the rockets off to the side seemed to do alittle bit but direct damage can only be done when its eyes flash green

lesser enemies are actually super accurate even at range

Ive had a few wallhack me

its a shame cuz the AI is actually pretty decent, they didnt have to rely on cheap stunts to make it difficult

[fathom wadi]

i hate modern day AI. It's freaking terrible. Every AI I play against has some kind of shit loop you can send them into an cheese them. Figuring it out ruins my fun a lot of the time. I just read an article about The Division 2 AI and they had all these techniques and applications to make it seem as though it was complicated, and it's still fucking shit.

All that work could have gone on fixing the bugs that are wrecking the game currently

[pearl elk]

yeah I swear they make these enemies like this cuz some tester found and easy out like 1% of the general population would find

[fathom wadi]

as you will know though, its easy to make easy AI, its easy to make difficult AI, its getting the middle ground and having a slight deviation for the deviation in skill from the user.

Im sure ID/Beth would do a decent job to a degree, but then that would come from ID and not Beth. :p

[pearl elk]

well I knew it'd be more difficult than the last Doom but Im playing on the second lowest difficulty and parts of it just feel like theyre there to shaft me

which is fine if you want to piss off your play testers and make it harder for em to speed run but it sucks if youre trying to have fun

[fathom wadi]

I haven't bothered with DooM since 3. I don't know why it looks boring to me. I do like some of the animations, there are some cool ones in there. But the gameplay is kind of shit.

well it looks it

[pearl elk]

I find the general gameplay loop pretty fun its the set pieces I find annoying because the level design is pretty inspired at times

[fathom wadi]

the whole "stop to do a gory animation" seems like polishing a turd to me

cool the first time you see it. Then its just stopping you from playing and forcing you into a few seconds of repeats.

[pearl elk]

you dont have to do those though

[fathom wadi]

you can switch them off or just not do melee stuff?

[pearl elk]

yeah just dont press E, though you will still want to chainsaw to get ammo occasionally

infact theres a pretty big emphasis on your shoulder cannon thingo

[fathom wadi]

I owuld have just taken a bible and holy water tbh. #logistics

[pearl elk]

I prefer how Shadow Warrior 2 handles the dash though it feels more natural

Well if you knew the story you would know why the Doom Slayer cant carry holy water

[fathom wadi]

ahh didnt know there was a story :p

[pearl elk]

yeah its quite good tbh, still sticks to what made Doom great just adds a layer ontop

[fathom wadi]

I was in discussion with some people last month about DooM storyline. I read a book that had no storyline. It just dropped Sarge into the mess and it was written from his inner thoughts throughout the book. But now I can't find it. Apparently it was a unofficial book, but it was epic.

[pearl elk]

Sarge is a Q3 character

[fathom wadi]

yeah he was called Sarge in this book too. And in DooM 2 iirc

[pearl elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kGIC81LHU

lol how the hell did they do it, spoiler warning 😛

[fathom wadi]

sup with them character models and lip sync? Thats ZZZ quality 😄

[pearl elk]

yes well I think the emphasis is on the gameplay not the cutscenes

[fathom wadi]

yeah for sure

im a lip sync nazi tho. I lipread in real life so it always kicks my immersion in the teeth

[pearl elk]

Im surprised it has half decent voice acting at all, mind you I think they changed Vegas voice, I remember it sounding better

[fathom wadi]

wait, you can pause the combat to use a menu?

[pearl elk]

notice they covered the Marauders mouth?

it doesnt pause it goes slower

[fathom wadi]

yeah I should work on an AI markov chain for lip syncing and put my money where my mouth is

[pearl elk]

I barely ever use that selector, feels like a cheat to me

[fathom wadi]

a vital part of DooM for me was the survival element. Saving evey bullet just in case. Does this utilise that kind of element?

[pearl elk]

yeah you gotta be really careful with ammo theres never enough

[fathom wadi]

nice. One of the best things about DooM for me. When you had to make a decision to either get the hell out of there, or farm for ammo. Or accidentally finishing the level with not enough, and having to figure it out

[pearl elk]

youre kinda forced to use the chainsaw to get ammo

and that has limited fuel

there are pickups but its sporadic and cant really be relied on

sometimes I feel like the games mechanics are at odds with each other but it does fit with the more chaotic feel of this game and the whole hell on Earth thing. Its kinda odd though when you have heaps of extra ammo laying around you cant carry then on other maps youre running out all the time relying on the chainsaw

Ive actually been down to the chainsaw once and I couldnt use it cuz I was facing bigger enemies

[fathom wadi]

think ill pick it up in a sale sometime. Im missing a good shooter game since Division 2 broke

[red basin]

Doom never did it for me.

I think doom 3’s pseudo dive into horror was the first to appeal and even that was meh

[soft night]

was the doom3 where you had to switch between gun and flashlight?

[pearl elk]

Gears 5 is even better you dont have a flashlight, this robot shines the light for you

"atmosphere woo"

[red basin]

“How can we always have dynamic lighting without it being the boring but useful washout of a head mounted flashlight?”

[fringe sundial]

i finised the game on 3rd difficulty

ultra-violence

i think the mechanics work great and improve each other

the chainsaw ammo refills very fast, so you should be using it almost on cooldown

the crappy zombies are just walking ammo sacks

my fav shooter in quite a long time, enjoyed it a lot

[fathom wadi]

@red basin yeah DooM3 never did it for me either. It scared the crap out of me tho. So it did it's job.

[pearl elk]

I dont think pickups are overly useful though cept for the powerups, I mean they are there but you dont really need to hunt for em. When youre hunting its mostly for someone to set on fire or chainsaw

[fringe sundial]

ultra-violence was hard

i had fights i had to restart 10 times

[pearl elk]

Most of the time when I pickup armour its gone so quickly after I pick it up or in the next encounter its easier to just use the armour and health drops from enemies rather than bother with pickups

[fringe sundial]

it has the feeling of pvp arena shooters, like unreal tournament

[pearl elk]

Yeah I got a very UT3 vibe from the Doom Fortress thingo

reminded me of the Necris asteroid ship

[fathom wadi]

I miss being able to go have a quick game of UT. I would play UT4 more but its like sight seeing on the Titanic

we should all fix it for corona

[fringe sundial]

its very very UT3

with the art style and stuff

[carmine frigate]

i still need to get that doom vr thing

[fringe sundial]

the game is also ridiculous

[pearl elk]

lol least its not like CoD where I had to blow up Olympus Mons 😛

[fathom wadi]

sue them for PTSD

[soft night]

we all know MonsOlympus survived

[pearl elk]

he looks strangely like Jon Snow

[tulip orbit]

he must know nothing

[pearl elk]

cept for that thing he does with his mouth 😛

[tulip orbit]

😉

Ah. this is why I rarely c++. wierd compile errors "E0135 class "UObject" has no member "BeginPlay""

[pearl elk]

I think I might just be out of practise with shooters, I feel myself slippin, maybe Im just gettin old

[fathom wadi]

is that weird though?

[pearl elk]

UObjects dont have BeginPlay only AActors do

you may have defined it in an object

[tulip orbit]

oh, well this class is based on AActor

[fathom wadi]

Mons if you want to test yourself, go have a couple of hours in CS:GO, get owned by aimbots and wallhacks and then realise, it doesn't even matter anymore

I go deagle only in The Division 2 when everyone else is using the unlimited ammo Bullet King LMG. My accuracy gets upto 75% and they get 40-50%. I suspect I have way more fun gameplay wise. But then spray and pray is fun at times

[pearl elk]

I must admit I do prefer when I have a choice of tactics so I can choose the one I most like rather than being railroaded

[zinc matrix]

hi

[tulip orbit]

note to self, check output instead of reading errors of vs.

compile failed cause I forgot to give a function a return value

[pearl elk]

I never use the error thingo only the output 🙂

[fathom wadi]

I just presume its going to error before I write the code, so I have the fix in place for when I do mess it up

[tulip orbit]

speaking of messing up, instant crashed the editor trying to use my c++ actor 😄

well, locked it up. froze

    {
        for (int o = 0; i < GridSizeY; o++)
        {```

🤔

[pearl elk]

youre declaring those variables in the loop, youre not accessing em outside of it are you?

[tulip orbit]

No

Right now, it loops through every cell in the grid, gives the cell a random value (or it should)

[pearl elk]

maybe it should be if o < GridSizeY

[fluid bloom]

yea looks like the second loop conditional is wrong

[tulip orbit]

yeah. I laughed when I saw it

no wonder it wasnt working.... it was looping forever, but not a inf loop

gotta love copy/paste errors

[pearl elk]

I tend to use i,j,l myself I never really use o

[tulip orbit]

it was next to the i 🙂

[zinc matrix]

Btw....

sup my dudes

ar u all ok

[median wraith]

Its the apocalypses so I listen the GTA radios

[pearl elk]

hows the lockdown going?

[fathom wadi]

im guilty of i,j,k because javascript

[pearl elk]

I dunno why I dont use n, but I avoid o cuz it could be mistaken for 0

[median wraith]

good, @pearl elk cornhub let me yesterday even see the 30€ invididual videos from their web for free

good day

🤖

[pearl elk]

lol

[median wraith]

nice material for gamedev references I mean

[pearl elk]

well we can always use more female protagonists

[median wraith]

well that last joke is a bit insulting tbh in some way

by the comparative

[pearl elk]

youre making a game about twitch gamers right 😛

games, drugs and streaming

[median wraith]

Na I bored of these last year

applies to the 95% of "content" creators

[pearl elk]

I saw one streamer girl she had a whole hoody filled with weed and it said, if you dont get high and game with your best friend are you even best friends

my kind of content 😛

[median wraith]

I bet any person can difference americans or any other world streamers and the spanish or south american ones

is just absurd

not all but overall

something failed in the education

errors were made

[pearl elk]

education failed 20 errors and 15 warnings

[median wraith]

I enter the webs and get 22 spam messages

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-sesame-street-cookies-eating-cookies-gif-13530571

[median wraith]

how you noticed I'm using ad blocker if you I didn't gave you permission ?

Thats UE4 4.24

default engine from Epic launcher

This is my 4.21 custom engine branch with the scene for 4.21

I get more FPS and the light looks correct

how is this possible

[fluid bloom]

are you asking for reals?

[bold fulcrum]

ah, infamous HevGI, obviously!

[median wraith]

5FPS more in the 4.21

I have nothing from my light in this scene

well other than the local probes that are acting

[bold fulcrum]

4.24 is hopeless, leave it alone.

[primal spoke]

What's wrong with 4.24.3?

[median wraith]

no clue

[pearl elk]

First one is better for MP

[bold fulcrum]

it is 3 full versions above 4.21, thats what is wrong.

[primal spoke]

🤷‍♂️ I guess.

[pearl elk]

They completely changed the auto exposure

[primal spoke]

I thought there was something functionally wrong applicable to all ue4 users.

[median wraith]

na is something with static shadows let me check

[pearl elk]

People were turning auto exposure off but that doesnt work so good anymore

[bold fulcrum]

Apart from shader compiler freezing few select systems, leading to inability to work with material editor for some users and insane shader bloat, there is nothing wrong with 4.24.

[median wraith]

the new landscapes took me a nightmare performance on last versiojns

[primal spoke]

well thats a problem. Is it a hardware requirement issue.

[bold fulcrum]

Nah

[primal spoke]

as engine evolves and upgrades so should sys specs?

[median wraith]

it seems like the project had disabled the static light for some reason on 4.24

still gives less FPS than 4.21

[pearl elk]

Landscapes have had alot more features added

[median wraith]

despite my changes add 1ms to the whole engine

[bold fulcrum]

TLDR, Hevedy is our only hope. I hope I don't retire before trying out Hev GI!

[median wraith]

lol you dont want to try that nightmare

what you see this morning was glaze of it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/670057617539858452/691252667623669840/UE4Editor_2020-03-22_12-50-59.png?width=678&height=833

are like tentacles from some space monster

[bold fulcrum]

What makes you think so? I find aesthetical pleasure in trying out every GI out there! Especially, if material involved, as above, is like a prayer to flying spaghetti monster!

[median wraith]

XD

[pearl elk]

Needs more samplers

[median wraith]

All the people claps the medics at 8pm here every day

[pearl elk]

Should use the splines to generate hair

Or tentacles

[primal spoke]

Thats deep @median wraith

[median wraith]

nobody knows what the informatics does, the whole system keep online because the black magic

[bold fulcrum]

Thats perfectly fine. Whole world works like that.

[pearl elk]

Does magic really have colour or tint though?

[median wraith]

no becuase its black

white magic in other way is the combination of every color

[pearl elk]

Combination of every magic

[primal spoke]

All the people claps the medics at 8pm here every day
@median wraith where?

[median wraith]

in spain

[pearl elk]

In spain in the membrane

[primal spoke]

😷 💪

[median wraith]

I mean this whole thing is absurd, if someone thinks this virus will end like nothing is as crazy as the one that thought wont leave china

[primal spoke]

I have been self quarantined since 14 March.

[median wraith]

Its just they know this year will be a mega crisis and they made a epilogue prologue, in 2007 they didnt had time for it

I'm since day 13

[soft night]

the hugging and kissing cultures seems more trouble with this one

[primal spoke]

Disbelief is the most destructive.

Too many people distrust govs and they don't believe the news either.

[soft night]

some news can get bigger effect

[pearl elk]

Well theres bound to be more cases than whats confirmed since lots of people arnt being tested

[soft night]

https://twitter.com/ylenews/status/1241686466683711488?s=20

Yle News (@ylenews)

Ski centres advance closures amid rush on Lapland https://t.co/9J7mlwEoPP

Twitter

[primal spoke]

As an American, I consume BBC news for outside perspective.

[median wraith]

Whole spain was on streets by day 8M that was 1 week before the lockdown

and that spread the whole virus all over the country

[pearl elk]

We're on lockdown here now

[median wraith]

people claiming mans kill more than coronavirus writen in papers that day

Now there are more deaths in half month than these since 15 years ago

[fringe sundial]

@median wraith we have more deaths daily than from machist violence in 1 year

[primal spoke]

its crazy. I got some gas yesterday for $1.16 for a gallon.

Gas as cheap as water now.

[median wraith]

@fringe sundial Yeah I mean we have now more deaths in total of coronavirus than the total count in 15 years of the other thing

[pearl elk]

Saudi Prince got into an oil price war with the Russians

[primal spoke]

right when this hit.

china stopped consuming oil.

[pearl elk]

They were meant to come to an agreement at the g20

[primal spoke]

Also, I'm a bit confused about take out food. Are the food workers wearing surgical masks and gloves now?

I know they don't wear masks here in the states.

[pearl elk]

Theyre meant to wear hair nets and gloves here even before the virus thing

[primal spoke]

Did they get face masks though?

They have to wear hairnets and gloves here also.

IDK, not trying to spread FUD, but I don't really trust our restaurants here, tbh.

I've been eating lots of PB and J.

[zinc matrix]

My mother works in hotel restaurant. I wouldn't trust any restaurant ever.

[pearl elk]

I would avoid too much human contact with your foods, even the deli meats section

[primal spoke]

I would imagine prepackaged deli meat would be fine.

But butcher cut stuff, nah.

[pearl elk]

Thats why people went nuts and bought lots of long life foods

[glad parrot]

pretty freaking amazing - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3081788678506529&id=620189511333137

[primal spoke]

oats, beans, PB&J, refined packaged bread.

stocked.

my wife is veganish so she got lots of veggies and there was almost nobody in the veg section.

She let the vegs sit for a few days and then washed them. There hasn't been info on long long the virus can live on organic surfaces.

I only see the inanimate surface research.

[bold fulcrum]

She let the vegs sit for a few days and then washed them mmm

[zinc matrix]

You can safely assume that it has survive time similar to how long it stays on humans. Probably at least 72+ hours.

[median wraith]

@primal spoke live longer than a normal virus but on main surfaces don't manage to live more than 3 days or so

[primal spoke]

sit->washed->stored->cooked->then consumed.

[median wraith]

in organism idk

[primal spoke]

There's probably some in this discord who have the coronavirus, tbh.

[median wraith]

what you mean ?

sure it is

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/were-all-infected-gif-10818069

[median wraith]

someone claim the other day the grandmother dead and and can't even visit she

[bold fulcrum]

Yeah, lounge is contagious.

[primal spoke]

thats rough.

[median wraith]

worst part

the mother have a cancer and them have to extract them

as the hospitals are collapsed can't end the surge

[primal spoke]

2020 kicked off with a pandemic. dang.

[median wraith]

and won't reconstruct the breast

that worst

[primal spoke]

sorry to hear that.

but the cancer was removed?

[median wraith]

idk its what the guy posted but yeah from what he wrote

anyway a person that develop a cancer have a lot of chances of develop another one soon

but yeah gives you some years, or you could have luck and don't develop any one more

[primal spoke]

is the economy in Spain frozen or is still moving along?

We're hearing of another Great Depression here.

[median wraith]

ha ha ha frozen yeah