lol, cute. Recently we were on small hike. We met a goatherd, they were petting against him.
#lounge
ancient hornet
This article is biased towards bad stuff in Unity. Because I already know whatโs not so good in Unity side but not so much on UE side. Also I notice something that generally UE user are very loyal to the engine and try to convert Unity users, while Unity users actively trash talking their own engine.. I think I am becoming one of them.
๐
honestly, I have objectively nothing bad to say about Unity
I never used it
tall plume
that person needs to learn what the word objective means
stiff crystal
do note that that blog post is written after using UE4 for few days
you can't compare the engines when you have years of frustration on one and you still see the grass greener on the new engine you've used for week or two at most
Unreal Engine is just started around January 2019.
blog posted 16 January 2019 (altho there seems to be changes throughout last year)
that guy also has tendency to write super long blog posts in general for Unity DOTS
I'd love to read proper blogs about it but he has this tendency of just writing 10x longer for every single thing and I can't even read single post through without feeling I'm going to fall asleep in the middle
it's kinda pity as there aren't that many people who cover that topic
it's been a long time since I glanced over that book of a post but I think he just rambles about random things there
stiff crystal
I really like that mode
median wraith
yeah me too, and the world design
stiff crystal
I tried battlefields 64 player version yesterday but it wasn't as straight forward at all
I like how streamlined the cod's gameplay is
median wraith
now the memes about COD maps are outdated
stiff crystal
it lacks all the annoying stuff from pubg like slow pacing and micromanagement
median wraith
can't even enter today there is too many people I have to wait
stiff crystal
they got the best launch windows for f2p
corona makes people stay indoors
wish I had a game to release now :p
stiff crystal
re: cod wait time
it says they are doing server maintenance
I bet it's for the solo mode
which I'll welcome as well
I've just played the game with randoms so far
well it did update and launch for me now
stiff crystal
they were supposed to?
median wraith
well I didn't had linked steam with this, and all my steam games shared the cod points
the thing is this account is link with activision and yesterday linked steam, now inside the games of steam name is linked
so I expect they to share my points I havr 700 in these as they gave me with the special editions and got 100 on this one
_too bad I didn't saved some of then so I could get the seasson pass
stiff crystal
what's the issue on helicopters?
carmine frigate
the lift
stiff crystal
?
carmine frigate
helicopters go forward by aiming the nose down
they dont have a go up button
they have more power
carmine frigate
cmon u worked on that vehicle plugin ๐
battlefield helicopter controlls are fine
median wraith
I just killed someone yesterday with the helicopter lol
stiff crystal
it's nowhere as annoying as games that make airplanes that "invert" the Y axis
median wraith
There is some kind of problem with the trucks as if you're near the wheels and start moving insta kill you
carmine frigate
i adapt to invert Y in a few days, and there is allways a checkbox for that
stiff crystal
by that I mean games that make the planes go up if you use up key/analog stick up
that just messes up my brains on planes
I can't adapt to it
it needs to work realistically
these heli controls tho I'm totally fine with
carmine frigate
W key is allways throttle
fortnite planes had good controlls
like, its how flaps work
stiff crystal
I really think the cod helicopter controls are nice design
it's totally that way so everyone can fly it
stiff crystal
this game is clearly designed that as many people as possible could play it
this is why you get second changes too
carmine frigate
nah, im not gunna fly this chopper, it breaks my heart ๐
soft night
how are you guys on this event what is going on around the world?
carmine frigate
a helicopter has 1 stick and can do the rotor it doesnt have an up button
stiff crystal
good thing I don't even know how real helicopter controls work even
and I bet 99% of COD players don't either
carmine frigate
its like in battlefield ๐
stiff crystal
which is why the controls are like they are ๐
yeah, I remember BF having difficult heli controls on BF3(?)
carmine frigate
mostly played 2
stiff crystal
at least remember I just crashed it to the mountain on first try ๐
carmine frigate
those carry from the ship for example
zinc matrix
uhuh
carmine frigate
you aim the front down and u go forward, aim up u go back
keel lvl and u go up
if u full throttle
u might get into a situation when u have to do an emergency landing
better not have played cod but BF instead
stiff crystal
https://www.twitch.tv/GDC is live again btw
carmine frigate
watchin it
damn that mic!
it jumped up crazy for a sec
u should match based on how much meters on average they move ๐
mweh, not technical enough atm
ill just check em when they all fully uploaded
soft night
i watch ign that Microsoft gamestack live
stiff crystal
I'm mainly waiting for the DXR talk there
aaaand it's cancelled? ๐
at least I don't see it on current schedule anymore
soft night
https://www.twitch.tv/ign also gamestacklive on some platforms
@stiff crystal schedule is here https://discord.gg/T6aHxu
carmine frigate
doin some other stuff atm
lookin at some epic BPs wondering why they go from child bp, up parent up parent up parent to c++ class ๐
must be some reason but in my mind the flow is completely broken than ๐
might remove the child and put that logic in the parent aswell and do that again
make 1 huge BP out of it ๐
verbal junco
probably stripped out classes
tulip orbit
need reading glasses?
novel latch
are you doubting one of the 4 pillars of OOP? ๐ค
novel latch
btw, which one is it?
carmine frigate
the one that blocks my reading
novel latch
you silly, I wanted to explain you why
you just lost this great opportunity to learn something with a silly joke โค๏ธ
stiff crystal
@soft night is that schedule different from the link I shared?
I know the site link has different schedule than the earlier tweet that had it
carmine frigate
its the virtual scoutin interactor, it goes up to do the movement than up to do some other stuff
and than the top parent c++ class is grabbin stuff from the vrinteractor pawn
but i could also just start from that pawn from scratch
soft night
might be but also that discord have they pro to answer questions too like GDC experience
carmine frigate
but i kinda like the modular of the interactor pawn better
novel latch
modular, I'm a programmer and I like this word ๐
soft night
i saw someone ask about unreal engine on there
carmine frigate
yea its great, i can prolly work with it if i look into it a bit more
but, if i dont like the layout they made i can rearrange it so its more readable for me
if u dont understand how the total works rearange the parts you do know ๐
novel latch
about gdc on twitch: anything interesting so far?
soft night
or is integrated to other thing
stiff crystal
this has copy of the original schedule they posted on twitter: https://www.gfinityesports.com/article/3663/xbox-series-x-microsoft-reveals-its-next-gen-controller
20:20 GMT - Whatโs new in DirectX: Raytracing, mesh shading, and more
there isn't anything even close to that anymore
carmine frigate
hmm i dont think i ever seen an Xone controller ๐
hmm they kinda all look the same
sage ermine
AIGHT
tulip orbit
steam die for anyone else?
tulip orbit
perhaps. Was mid-conversation with a buddy and it disconnected
deep glen
sometimes I think we need a kiddy-corner :p
plucky pagoda
sigh...
deep glen
lol
pearl elk
Does the kiddy-corner have bean bags?
deep glen
signal citrus
Excellent pillars ๐
plucky pagoda
Oh no ... They got Saskatchewan. That's it, it's all over now.
west tangle
novel latch
lemme guess, stay at home to flatten the curve?
but I need to run my bidaily 10km to flatten my curves :/
soft night
well not spread the thing
novel latch
when I run in the forest, the deers are running away from me anyway ๐ฆ
pearl elk
I want to run away to the forest and live with the deer
soft night
well i seems to be on risk group for this virus
carmine frigate
damn that sucks. calculating survival odds can be pretty grim for some ppl
soft night
well plus huge stress, allergic and allergic season is on right now, mental health not good as in critical
so survival odds are pretty much slim
still no fear
carmine frigate
well lets hope you dont get it than ๐
soft night
even if i get it I dont know it as otherthings hide it
mild root
world health organization should recommend preventive quarantine in the beginning of february. now the whole world is locked down, with additional thousands of deaths and 100k+ infected.
so WHO is WHO CARES now - another useless international institution that does nothing except gender studies and corresponding shuffling of ICD codes around
soft night
really really
if countries health system or they health officials arent working like they should or people dont trust gov officials about it
carmine frigate
i still think im gunna die by an atomic explosion ๐
just dont think anything less is gunna do it
soft night
i might die to brain aneyrysm too
faint kindle
hows everyone doin
any game devs working from home? must be hard to do over a remote desktop
pearl elk
we should all live in fallout bunkers until the pandemic is over
soft night
MonsCleanAir what is not circulated air
pearl elk
I can bottle some fresh air and send it to you
soft night
good aired systems is good
signal helm
hello
solid aurora
omg still no info is there is going to pajamas stream today : D
north torrent
I'm in Hong Kong.
zinc matrix
is that china
pearl elk
Wow you actually got a flight
north torrent
Asking if Hong Kong is part of China is about as loaded a question as they come.
There is no simple answer to that.
soft night
like asking same for greenland
north torrent
It was weird in Singapore, when I got on the airplane they handed me $200 in cash because they changed my seat.
zinc matrix
Greenland is part of China?
north torrent
I can definitively say that Greenland is not part of China.
soft night
not part of china but as ref
north torrent
Didn't the US buy Greenland?
soft night
greenland is not for sale
soft night
well usa have lots of money right
zinc matrix
how many people were on plane Mao?
north torrent
The plane was full.
The US has more money per person than any nation of that size, yes. But the overall buying power of China is still bigger.
The US just keeps diving deeper into debt by increasing spending and decreasing taxes.
north torrent
Dumping 1.5 trillion USD into the economy just to have it disappear in 2 hours, and then hoping nobody will notice.
Hong Kongers.
pearl elk
So whos the King Konger?
north torrent
Hong Kong has a whole class of people who live like Kings.
And then a whole class of people who literally have cages instead of apartments because of the corrupt system of 'renting' land.
fathom wadi
"I sit in the company of kings, who speak of their riches freely."
north torrent
The income inequality of Hong Kong makes the US look like a utopia...
And I have been on record calling the US a dystopian wasteland because of their late stage capitalist methods run amuck.
pearl elk
How is Biden winning
north torrent
I'm pretty sure Mr. Floss is the only royalty on this Discord, Mr. Rogerson. Unless there is something you aren't telling us.
Maybe Karol is a king.
fathom wadi
north torrent
I honestly don't know on that one, Mr. Olympus.
I guess not being a woman makes it easier.
And I guess in the land of 80 year olds, the 70 year old man is youthful.
fathom wadi
We are all God, but God is dead. When God returns, we will be too.
north torrent
No more protests in Hong Kong.
fathom wadi
glad they could all agree
north torrent
If I had the coronavirus I would travel around the US and go to every tRump rally.
north torrent
Hong Kong has a very low rate of coronavirus spreading. They received a lot of cases when rich 80 year old chain smokers from China ran away to Hong Kong, but it hasn't spread like in South Korea or Italy.
Singapore and Japan have also had a pretty low rate of spreading.
Surprisingly, I can go out and travel around Hong Kong with no quarantine. But once I get to Shanghai I am confined to my hotel quarantine for 14 days... Which I call a game developer's dream...
abstract haven
everything is upside down right now, I got back to China just as the quarantine rules kicked in, I should have worked remote for longer heh
north torrent
I am trying to get my 14 day quarantine done before school starts back again.
The US might be shutting down airports any day now, so I thought waiting would be too big of a gamble.
Who knows when places are going to start treating the US Passport the way they are Italy and China Passports.
They literally removed anyone with a Chinese Passport from my flight to Hong Kong, as well as anyone who had visited Italy, Spain, Cambodia, Korea, or China in the last 14 days.
The flight got delayed because they removed the co-pilot for that very reason.
If things keep going the way they are going, the US is going to pop up on that list any day now and then boom! I won't be able to get out.
zinc matrix
oh
north torrent
That's why all the flights were full.
There are far fewer flights running at the moment, but a lot of people who are from place like Singapore but in the US on business are trying to get home before it is too late and they can't.
You don't want to get stuck in a place with an inferior healthcare system like the US.
Travel home Karol.
plucky pagoda
I think Canada is going to close the border to US citizens in a day or two at most. I suspect they only delayed it to give some of those who depend on the back and forth across the border a few days to prepare.
Mexico is talking about doing the same.
...
Nevermind it just happened
ugh
deep glen
cant blame mexico building a wall now :p
zinc matrix
Mexico closed border between US and Canada?
tulip orbit
On the plus side we dont have those cloverfield monsters walking around
plucky pagoda
Border between US and Canada
I would suspect Mexico is next. It seemed like Trudeau was implying the US/Canada would be closed when he spoke yesterday.
deep glen
shall i turn on streaming again btw? im doing boring stuff but /shrug
zinc matrix
OnlyFans Luos?
signal citrus
Voice party?
deep glen
yea discord
plucky pagoda
I enjoy it. But it's hell for my productivity
deep glen
ooh, more benefit for me :p
plucky pagoda
I always catch something useful. Like the material debugger thing you were using the other day.
deep glen
im mainly moving models about
pearl elk
Does streaming help from getting distracted?
deep glen
sometimes
plucky pagoda
Weird the WHO has put the situation dashboard behind a password block now.
I could look at it yesterday.
Now it says my ArcGIS org isn't part of the organization.
zinc matrix
oh, I can watch stream and spam lounge at the same time
deep glen
lol
viral vector
im doing boring stuff but /shrug
Awesome sales pitch
Did you know that if you put /shrug at the start of your message
It'll insert it at the end?
Like so
Hi! ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
That message looks like
/shrug Hi!
zinc matrix
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ R U sure?
viral vector
That's what it does on my end anyway
deep glen
i knoow
viral vector
See I'd join
But the girlfriend's working from home and constantly calling
Is three content browsers overkill?
I'm in doubt
deep glen
nahh thats fine
viral vector
I recently went from one to two, and it's been astounding how much nicer it is to work with
Third one I'm not sure about though
I'm also just really impressed at how horrendous the standard layout is, now that I've done this
Even on my 16:9
I now have three useable CB's, a tall world outliner panel, a big viewport and a tall modes/details panel
Especially having that modes/details panel together on the left is amazing. They're both two panels that I've always thought had a lack of vertical space, but this solves that, and you barely ever need them at the same time
(And taking that bloody toolbar from the top to the bottom-left. Saves so much space, and you really never need those buttons anyway
fathom wadi
I would love more room to make an extended workspace. But I live in a small house with 6 other people and not enough room for what we have. Doing VR is a truly planned even otherwise I get trolled and taken out of immersion ๐ Not to mention a super widescreen would be cool in a 4 monitor setup
deep glen
@stable escarp your mic was distorting really loud so moved you to afk
stable escarp
plucky pagoda
I think they need more. 4 isn't enough
proud jay
everyone in voice chat just chillin in quarantine?
zinc matrix
They are doing experiment. Luos is patient zero. Spreading. The knowledge.
proud jay
It should have never existed in the first place
late night
theres always #vc-feedback-support
plucky pagoda
c'mon, I'm about to start looking to the sky for signs of the old ones here.
Cthulhu is that you?
tulip orbit
tulip orbit
actually if it was cthulu, new orleans would get hit first
he's just off the coast
...waiting
winter zealot
it looks like a sony PS5 conference is hapenning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9VgTsxl408
currently Mac Cerny is explaining that the ps5 gpu will have bvh structure acceleration, hardware raytracing support with not just visuals benefiting from raytracing
lots of neat stuff being discussed
median wraith
winter zealot
I just posted the same link but whatever, that's this stream yup
it's gpu talk, it's for graphics programmers and enthusiasts ๐ obvs not for game announcements
quiet narwhal
I gotcha, the cadence in his voice just ugh
winter zealot
but yeah sure, folks are gonna be bored if it's not a dragon ball z trailer ๐
apologies, didn't want to bore the #lounge ๐
quiet narwhal
well the DF reveal stuff for the xbox series x covered a ton of this but in a much more relatable format
plucky pagoda
wow.
winter zealot
hah that's interesting, more relatable==better for sure
i just drink that stuff regardless but if it can interest more ppls that's super awesome
plucky pagoda
That's like knock out power boring.
plucky pagoda
his cadence is like monotype vocalized
winter zealot
yeah he needs to dress up as a shonen main protagonist and say everything with exclamations and emphasis
if he doesn't do that, the ps5 gpu will not be good enough, it's gonna decrease its perfs
tulip orbit
not enough exclamation marks in his speech
quiet narwhal
https://youtu.be/sGUNPMPrxvA need more of this in his speech, get the devs pumped
winter zealot
altrough now i'm gonna check the xbox one x keynote after that, interesting to see how tech stuff can be made more relatable
quiet narwhal
MS didnt do a keynote, they had people come check out stuff and then make their own stuff. https://youtu.be/qcY4nRHapmE is the video I was referring to
soft night
i am like sleep
plucky pagoda
If you're going to speak to an audience at least intonate. I mean, that's like next level bad, I don't think it's over doing it to point out he's putting his audience to sleep.
winter zealot
the ps5 gpu is much more scalable and has rt capabilities that can be used for more than visuals
soft night
one of my friend want playstation5 to have backwards compability
winter zealot
i'm still non-plussed about raytracing based architecture but okay, they're trying
quiet narwhal
Epic is using DXR for lightmap accelleration so it's got some extra uses
winter zealot
he's talking about the sound now, that's likely to be a gamechanger
soft night
today is gamestacklive day2 focusing more xbox series x
winter zealot
as well as DXR for lightmaps for sure yup ! altrough that's more for us devs
both of those things are berry awesome idneed
plucky pagoda
THat chat scroll ....
quiet narwhal
this could all be summarized with "we made shit better and faster, lets check out some actual results" lol
winter zealot
prooobably ๐
quiet narwhal
it's.... yeah
plucky pagoda
I'm losing it
winter zealot
he's basically explaining how to make 3d audio
quiet narwhal
more pictures, less zzZZZzzz
winter zealot
how to have the sound be as real as possible and surround players
silk raptor
i think it was a good presentation,having in mind technical standards
bronze axle
I liked it. It was exactly what I expected.
Great technical deep dive on the philosophy behind PS5 and its architecture.
silk raptor
i mean,it was good to see that sony will have a different aproach from microsoft on the next gen console
fringe sundial
that crazy lunatic overclock on gpu worries me
the xbox seems like a more reasonable machine
silk raptor
correct me if i'm wrong but from what i got,the bandwithd and the multicore cpu of ps5 is better,but at gpu is lower
and the lecture velocity too
carmine frigate
its more location related what console ppl get ๐
bronze axle
Location?
carmine frigate
yea, like what country u live in and what ur friends have
most will prolly stick with upgrade on their old system
60$cheaper or 200hz more prolly wont change that for most ppl
winter zealot
i'm worried by the upcoming huge lack of opportunities for indie game devs but it's hard to seriously discuss with ppl
it's absolutely possible that i'm making it worse than it's gonna be, but also that there are going to be issues
winter zealot
but i seriously don't know how and when to discuss this seriously
fringe sundial
less bandwidth, same amount of cpu cores (but lower clocks), and a much smaller gpu but overclocked to death
bronze axle
What lack of opportunities? Iโve never seen so many opportunities for indie devs.
winter zealot
for now it's fine but
things like roblox and dreamsps4, more platform gatekeeping like EGS, AppleArcade , Stadia etc, preventing gamedevs to freely make their games accessible to a huge audience
those problems are likely to become more and more problematic ๐ฆ
i'm sure ppl are gonna tell me that
quiet narwhal
if Paragon Auto Chess can get distributed on the switch..... Indie devs are doing just fine lol
winter zealot
see ? it's gonna be hard to seriously talk about it ๐
bronze axle
๐ค
winter zealot
that and the "anti-shovelware ppl" wanting every platform to be highly curated etc
winter zealot
you're wrong vblanco
winter zealot
you're only saying that because you got in
fringe sundial
ask motorsep about it
the issue is that there is so much goddamn trash, is that its about marketing the game, not about making a good game
winter zealot
gatekeeping is only good for a selected few and not a viable alternative for a huge ecosystem like steam
fringe sundial
mate, the barrier is quite low
winter zealot
for now yeah, I sure hope it keeps being that way
fringe sundial
the difference beetween console and steam is huge
and its really not so hard to publish on console
winter zealot
vblanco started to release a "trashy" game for practice on steam, something that some ppls would call shovelware
and it was a good strategy
fringe sundial
my trashy game (deathwave) is still top 10% of what gets released this days on steam
winter zealot
and you were able to publish it without asking someone, as it should
fringe sundial
i did have to pass greenlight
and btw, you dont need to ask anyone to put on console
winter zealot
okay, with a few votes, fair enough ๐ that's still too much for me but still
fringe sundial
you just need the money for the devkit, and to have a company set
if you are serious in any way about developing an indie game, you have those 2
if you dont, you arent making games as a business
but as a hobby
winter zealot
it's easier on xb and ps4, but some devs were unable to publish on switch
fringe sundial
and look at how well it went for indie devs. The games that did pass the barrier on switch got huge
this days its starting to get swamped
but its still far better than steam
winter zealot
I have my fingers crossed that the good days will continue, just like right now but i'm worried
fringe sundial
the thing is that PC is so bad right now, that you should have it as the last place to put the game
console first
pc second
winter zealot
that's interesting
quiet narwhal
If you just make the tools for game devs you don't have to worry about these problems ๐ค
winter zealot
that's a good point MatthewW
also, very sorry but I do have to go atm, just hoppping that things will keep being in this state, improve or not get worse
plucky pagoda
Oh man, it is so much easier today as an indy than even 5 years ago let alone compared to 10 or 15
I literally was registered with all 3 major console companies in less than an hour. You couldn't even dream of getting on a console a few years ago.
fringe sundial
can confirm
xbox is desesperate
as in crazy desesperate
you get the devkit for free from them
plucky pagoda
Microsoft is crazy good to indies now
fringe sundial
if you can show you are an actual dev
plucky pagoda
yeah
fringe sundial
ps4 you still have to buy the devkit
plucky pagoda
but the bar is not too high
fringe sundial
they can loan devkits, but not to you
those loaned devkits is more for like their playstation exclusive indies and stuff
@plucky pagoda its still high enough to cut 90% of steam trash
and makes it a much more workable environment
plucky pagoda
yes. I'm glad for a little gatekeeping
fringe sundial
if steam direct was 1000 dollas + you need to be a proper registered company, all the scams would get removed
would make it similar to consoles
and honestly, 1000 dollas is nothing for a business
plucky pagoda
I'd rather a little curation than a monetary block though
fringe sundial
even on places like russia
@plucky pagoda monetary block is unbiased
and works quite well
plucky pagoda
not if you're broke
fringe sundial
you can get a bank loan
1000 is ... nothing
even on russia
but it means that your game has to be good enough that it can recoup that $$$
which means tech demos, asset flips, and scams stop being a thing (mostly)
it would cut down the amount of trash in steam by about 60-70%
plucky pagoda
I don't agree about everyone having that. I could come up with it, but there were pleny of times in my life I couldn't have.
I'd much rather see no fee but your game has to not suck
quiet narwhal
I want an xbox dev kit to do training stuff with, but you can't share the training stuff with the public so ๐ฆ
plucky pagoda
You can put it behind a login wall limited to only registered devs
Epic already does that for the console forums.
quiet narwhal
lots of verifying tho aye?
<-- lazy
I guess it cant hurt to ask right now, it's not like I have anything else to do
solid aurora
@plucky pagoda and who is gona verify that your game is not gonna suck ?
solid aurora
Monetary Block means far less crap which means, you get far more exposure on platform
and that means you don't have to spend much money on marketing
1000$ for marketing today to be visible on steam
will buy you tnohing
plucky pagoda
I'd be okay with a pay this high fee or pass this level of curation.
solid aurora
you will be sunked in sea of shit instantly
plucky pagoda
I'd still like to see a path for devs with no money
solid aurora
so
the only way to verify quiality of game
is manual human testing
which means your game is far less likely to make it
especially for indie
unless you know someone on steam
or Epic
for that matter
plucky pagoda
which isn't bad, too much trash on steam. Epic curates and the bar doesn't seem overly burdensome with some of the games that have made it on there.
solid aurora
they so many titiles in queue
that you are really lucky to get
to shop
unless you are known before
winter zealot
people want curation without realizing it kills free publishing as it kills shovelware
winter zealot
i'm still convinced that shovelware issue is over-amplified
solid aurora
those pare pennies compared to marketing costs
winter zealot
i disagree, I don't want to have to pay 2000$ for publishing a game
at least I should have good options without paying 2000$
winter zealot
as well as you being able to choose the opposite way if you prefer, of course
solid aurora
good options and low barieri to entry
are opposites
if you are here to make money
winter zealot
this is why it's so difficult to talk about this
solid aurora
if you wanto to just publish something
carmine frigate
some ppl will make free crap work
winter zealot
people telling me that i need money to make money, where and when i could publish a game
carmine frigate
it is as it is, u got multiple platforms and can start ur own
solid aurora
and 2000$ for guarteed sales is not that bad
winter zealot
you say that because you can afford it
winter zealot
no one serious here currently, still gotta go afk
winter zealot
screw hobbyists gamedevs wanting to pay their way out of the competition
by ruining the place for everyone else just because their games are not WORTH being looked at
which is why they want to pay marketing to begin with
solid aurora
you
see
indie dev are screwed now
their games without marketing which costs between 10 to 100x more
are dorwning in daily published games on steam
winter zealot
yeah yeah don't worry about steam or whatever
you seem nice even after having said such things, I hope your game succeeds
fringe sundial
@winter zealot you know that with 0$ on marketing you get nothing?
if that 1000$ barrier were a thing, it would be by far the best value for your dollar spent on marketing
i will have a budget of 10.000 dollars for my next game, for the trailer
and i would get far less value than the 1000 barrier would give me
because it takes a huge effort to trick steam algorithms into getting your game out of the trash bin
i will likely have to spend 20.000$ on marketing for my next project, and its highly likely that i wont get out of the trash bin even with such effort
vs 1000 dollars where you arent on the trash bin to begin with
thanks to steam lowering the barrier this much, it has never been this hard to be a professional indie
as a hobbyst, its great!, but as someone who wants to build a studio, it was only worse in the years before the PS3 generation, where PC gaming was near nonexistant, and dekits were like 100k dollas
winter zealot
you didn't spend that much money on your first steam game tho isn't it ?
fringe sundial
i did
i spent 1000 on deathwave
and on dwvr, i spent 3000
on dwvr ps4, i spent another 5000
winter zealot
and may i ask where the hell did you put that money ?
viral vector
@zinc matrix To finish our former topic btw, I'm now looking to get a job as tech-artist
fringe sundial
paying for trailer + freelancing some sound fx
winter zealot
so you got a trailer made but you didn't buy any adspace isn't it ?
solid aurora
it is really eays to spend money on development, outsourcing art, living,
fringe sundial
i spent 300 euros on ad space
solid aurora
1000$ for ads will buy maybe few thousand views
fringe sundial
mostly to see how it goes
it got me something like 10 views
not kidding
it would have been quicker to set the 300 euros on fire
@winter zealot this is the whole goddamn deal. Making a game costs money. 1000$ on dev costs is nothing
but it would mean steam now has 2/3 less games
which means more views to your game
winter zealot
i don't think it works like that
fringe sundial
and you can focus on making a good game, vs making something marketeable
oh it does
solid aurora
you never started to make game beyond hobby then
fringe sundial
most indies lately are having huge issues, why do you think everyone accepts the Epic games money?
hell, epic store doesnt even really have to give them so much cash, just having them on the frontpage for a while is payment enough
plucky pagoda
Some of those games are thrown up hoping to make not much over the $100 fee. I 100% agree the bar to entry needs to be higher.
winter zealot
i don't think theres more to "correlation-causation" thinking to back up the theory that curation allows for a better ecosystem
fringe sundial
@plucky pagoda scam games earn about 300-500 dollars
and are 90% russian
i know because i got contacted by them
puttng the barrier at 1000 would inmediately nuke them
plucky pagoda
I've seen numbers from some games that made much more than that even with high refund rates. Games that IMHO shouldn't even be there.
fringe sundial
something like 90% of current steam games dont pass the 1000 barrier
on earnings
@winter zealot if you dont have the money, work for 1-2 months
you spend 2 years making an indie game, you can work something else 1 month to pay the fee that guarantees your game will be seen
winter zealot
i have bills to pay... i just can't
solid aurora
or you can use credit card
winter zealot
freelancing barely covers my expense
zinc matrix
i feel weird
solid aurora
beucase they will see it
plucky pagoda
On the other hand a halfway decent game could raise 1,000 in funding fairly easily. So IDK
solid aurora
unless you just scrapped togather asset flip
winter zealot
you guys are basically saying : " fortnite and all the famous games are taking all the audience but the issue is that there are too many low income games "
fringe sundial
but not for the scam games, even with 90% less games, i doubt the scam games can get past 1000
@winter zealot mate its about removing the scammers
plucky pagoda
No one's said that
winter zealot
@fringe sundial no sir it's about gaining the market back from fortnite and other big games
fundamentally it's not even about that but about getting plays, everything else is a mean to an end to that, almost
solid aurora
no
people are still buying 10$
yo play something different from time to time for 1h
winter zealot
and i'm utterly sorry, I do have to apologize but I will not change my mind on this
solid aurora
did you ever tried to publish anything ?
winter zealot
for sure, but i only made something like 5000$ total, over two years
viral vector
fortnite and all the famous games are taking all the audience
Their audience shouldn't be your audience
You should be targeting an audience that actually wants to buy indie games
winter zealot
learnt a lot but it was taking so much time to make those games... I mostly rely on freelancing these days
zinc matrix
what u gentlemans talkin about.. i personally hate fortnite and many other people hate too
viral vector
And that audience can't find the games they want because they're being swamped by the insane amounts of garbage on Steam
winter zealot
for people ripping it of in the lounge ? no thanks ๐
zinc matrix
uhuh
winter zealot
ah it's a new little twist, people telling me who should be my audience now ๐
sure, i'll take that into account for my next game if I can make a new one
solid aurora
despite what you may think, people are trying to help you
zinc matrix
you certainly can
solid aurora
and other indies
fringe sundial
@winter zealot ive sold 10 times more on psvr than on pc
on the same game
strictly due to the visibility/spam difference
solid aurora
because current marked is definetly death for indies
west tangle
Please spread so people understand how fast this thing is growing, just because the numbers are "low" does not mean this isn't serious.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
fringe sundial
and btw, i tried to market the pc game much more, the ps4 version i just dropped it silently
winter zealot
@west tangle that's correct indeed, let's keep people informed
@fringe sundial yeah I'm not even starting about what dreamsPS4 is going to inflict to indie devs
quiet narwhal
The schools here in California are going to be closed the rest of th school year more than likely... that's a definite indicator of how bad this is
winter zealot
it's awesome that you shared your experience btw vblanco, very informative
zinc matrix
bruhs
i was working for 1.5 month on my game for MANY hours a day
and tis is insane
i really like what i made
fringe sundial
@winter zealot i also know, because i worked for him, a quite horrible dev
zinc matrix
but there still some hard things to do =/
fringe sundial
but who someone got into the first batch of greenlight
winter zealot
it's good JohnOfRomnia, you have to keep working on it
fringe sundial
the dude
got like 200k
from a shit assetflip
just because it was one of the first shit assetflips
winter zealot
yeah but those are very good marketers and likely bad ppl
fringe sundial
it was absurd seeing that live
the guy got like 100k in the first few hours
just from the frontpage traffic
thats what we miss thanks to now allowing everyone
there is space in the frontpage for indies... if we remove the bottom 90% shit that gets released
winter zealot
if we would not allow everyone you wouldn't have been allowed with deathwave
fringe sundial
oh i probably would have
winter zealot
survivor bias sir, survivor bias
fringe sundial
i mean i did spend several hundred trying to market it, so the 1000 barrier wouldnt have been any issue
and the game doesnt look that bad lol
its a small game, but it works and is playable, which means its above 90% of steam
and it did go through greenlight
winter zealot
it doesn't look that bad for sure, but we are in #lounge where everything that isn't "ReadDeadRemption999" is called a "shovelware" ๐ฎ
like, most low income steam games are playable ๐
all im saying is that ppl should be able to release their own games too
winter zealot
itch is awesome but has 1% of steam userbase ๐ฆ
winter zealot
it's insane how EGS is order of magnitude crappier than itch, but has so much more players
viral vector
I'm confused
winter zealot
simply because EpicGames has bought the playerbase
fringe sundial
so, like steam did?
viral vector
You wouldn't want to release on Itch because of its small userbase
solid aurora
the only viable tactics to fight steam
fringe sundial
with half life 2 and counter strike source
viral vector
But you disagree that Steam needs to do something about not being able to access their userbase?
Ehh?
solid aurora
just answer
winter zealot
- steam doesn't need to change but it'd be nice if discoverability for indie games would increase on it 2) itch io is better than steam and should be 9999 times more popular
winter zealot
it's just my opinion, sometimes I change my mind too
winter zealot
yeah i'm sorry about that
i wanna talk about these issues
but then people keep telling me that curation and gatekeeping are needed
and the arguing goes on and on
solid aurora
give me and third way
viral vector
Needed is a large word, but it'd likely make the entire thing a hell of a lot easier
winter zealot
iniside everybody want both options of course
viral vector
Mainly because there isn't really another way to promote everyone
solid aurora
they are opposite
winter zealot
i'm for letting free access to the platform and letting devs do their own marketing
winter zealot
sorry my dudes imma have to go, those are endless convos anyway
winter zealot
everybody's game here today , is the "enemy shovelware" of someone else
no matter how much love or care you put into it or how awesome you think the game is
which is why i'm for free game publishing
solid aurora
ok it is really pointless
viral vector
See I don't necessarily think Steam should i.e. be shunning developers
solid aurora
good luck publishing your next game
viral vector
But they should definitely be working to promote well-made games
Which they're not doing
solid aurora
and wondering why you haven';t make living money out of it
viral vector
They're letting the algorithm decide
zinc matrix
@winter zealot but
devs can do marketing on their own
and release on their own
for free
winter zealot
sorry i cannot keep talking about it ๐ maybe another day if you guys want
but i'll mostly try to refrain myself talking about it
because long convos not changing anyones mind
carmine frigate
if all games are free, ppl could play the game they want and there would be no money for marketing ๐
also no food ๐ฆ
its still pretty good for most ppl involved
viral vector
also no food ๐ฆ
So basically exactly where we're at now, I say we do it ๐
carmine frigate
saw some1 run with his shirt over his mouth and 30 packs of flour in the supermarket today
how fast crazy becomes the new normal ๐
hmm if i got 500m extention cord i could go shoppin in 1 by 1m overpressure chamber
carmine frigate
slipstream ๐
soon doorknobs and everything u touch wil be a thing of the past
its gunna be sensors and robots
novel latch
but why watch them now, when you can watch them later with 2x speed? ๐ค
and skip parts
nova finch
Star Trek doors everywhere
solid aurora
beacause I can
soft night
xCloud look nice rack
novel latch
what? since when does the Landscape from LandscapeMountains have this many shaders? ๐ค
quiet narwhal
since .24 lol
novel latch
I read something about this in forums, is this a bug or the new default?
quiet narwhal
I beleive it's a bug but its not been fixed in 3 revisions soooooo maybe a fix?
zinc matrix
ohoh
novel latch
alright, it doesn't even use runtime virtual textures, back to 4.23 it is
deep glen
novel latch
when I get the virus, I will eat ๐ฅ s until my teeth dissolve ๐
azure chasm
Just traded kids tylenol for duct tape and a inflatable swimming pool
Shit is real out here
azure chasm
Central florida
carmine frigate
wtf
carmine frigate
im just herding sheep
deep glen
home-fitness equipment is currently quite the hoarding item :/
novel latch
the biggest hoarders will be stabbed ๐ช first
novel latch
we have our first city who got lock down today
deep glen
carmine frigate
well today at supermarket i saw some1 running with his shirt covering his mouth, would have tackled him last month thinking he robbed some1
but he was just doin groceries
azure chasm
I had a facemask, which i had bought because i had the flu last month, at walmart
There was a cop car waiting outside
...
Im not the crazg 1 lol
carmine frigate
when crazy becomes normal and normal becomes crazy ๐
novel latch
@deep glen when did he say that?
dont want to check their 1 hour talks to find it ๐
deep glen
its less than 2 minutes
just him going "corona is fake news", "nothing to worry about" and today he said "I have known all along its a pandemic"
hehe
novel latch
oh, it was on 17th
solar nebula
He's a shitlord
deep glen
sometimes I think he has strong ties to 4chan haha
deep glen
also, sneak peek of carrion is up
https://store.steampowered.com/app/953490/CARRION/
carmine frigate
ow looks dope
tulip orbit
I'm gonna try that after this free sound pack is downloaded ๐
deep glen
yea, been following that one for a while
carmine frigate
dat pixel art yo
novel latch
in this 1min 22sec video he never said "corona is fake news" ๐ค
and obviously he needs to calm down, like every country does
nobody will go from normal to lockdown within a day
carmine frigate
well hes not in charge of this kind of thing anyways
novel latch
it feels like all governments are slowly preparing everyone for lockdown
carmine frigate
yea pretty grim atm
novel latch
yeah and posting twitter mobs is not helping at all :/
carmine frigate
yea its still lounge tho
north torrent
On my flight to Singapore they removed they delayed the flight because they had to remove the co-pilot.
Singapore would not allow anyone in that had been to France, Italy, Korea, China, or a few other places in the last 14 days.
All the people from China were removed from the flight as well.
novel latch
lounge still has more class than unreal-engine chat
carmine frigate
once i say no to memes or jokes of any kind ill be fully dead inside
novel latch
it would be a meme if he said "corona is no pandemic" 2sec later "I always knew it's a pandemic"
carmine frigate
basically every world leader gets memed for total failure now ๐
its also sort of a protest
for the people wil listen to memes
novel latch
I'm out, I don't like trump, but neither do I like people who got no life and make those tweets
solar nebula
I can't wait until every world leader who lives in the past finally dies or retires
north torrent
I'm just glad to finally have made it out of the US.
quiet narwhal
I would go with you if I could ๐ฆ
it's gonna be rough here in some parts
but its hell in other parts... we are all screwed
solar nebula
I'm used to living in shitty countries so the US is fine by me
I've been through one revolution already, I'm up for more
north torrent
I'm going to be quarantined tomorrow. Should be fun.
I'm talking to the guy at my old apartment to see if he can send me my computer.
quiet narwhal
that would be nice
north torrent
I just have to make sure he doesn't break anything.
I kept the original box and packing materials for my monitor because I knew I would have to move it eventually. So hopefully the security guard knows how to box it up.
north torrent
It is just a few guys playing security guard for an empty building with empty streets around it. They are rather bored people.
zinc matrix
china reports 80k infected and 70k recovered
weird
i doubt this is true
@north torrent yeah lol doing nothing for 8h must be actually harder than doing anything
north torrent
Sounds like accurate numbers to me. It isn't all that bad of a virus for people with a healthy immune system.
China has security guards that just watch empty parking lots and stuff.
They just create jobs for people because people who are jobless create too many problems for society.
carmine frigate
where do i sign up? ๐
got a few weeks not much to do anyways ๐
nah im actually fine here, id like to go sometime
north torrent
I still have to teach online class when I am in quarantine.
tulip orbit
if you position the camera properly you dont have to wear pants ๐
stiff crystal
quiet narwhal
Thankfully I set up this office to be remote if need be. We lose direct radio communication with our drivers but it's all Mobile app based at this point so no one actually has to be near eachother or in the office now.
north torrent
Pants are life.
plucky pagoda
My wife's work just got approval for their Covid19 test. https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-18-Abbott-Receives-FDA-Emergency-Use-Authorization-and-Launches-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus
quiet narwhal
yay?
plucky pagoda
It means we will probably be able to get it. I hope.
They usually give us access to anything they make if we need it.
quiet narwhal
oh gotcha access to the testing
plucky pagoda
They make it and the system that tracks it.
plucky pagoda
Yeah, same here. Every time I cough, or feel a little warm.
quiet narwhal
I know I am sick right now but I have a house full of schoolkids and this is normal for this time of the year the damned plague carriers.
plucky pagoda
My wife's a microbiologist and oversees a lab with them. Knowing too much makes it scarier.
Yeah. Same.
tulip orbit
๐ฆ Wanna play the Carrion demo, but steam isnt working. Theres a link "Play Game" but it doesnt do anything
ah, restarted steam, works ๐
plucky pagoda
It won't launch for me. Closes as soon as it opens.
dense atlas
.
rare sparrow
deep glen
@dense atlas behave
lusty elk
Germany needs to unify as a nation in a way they havenโt since the Second World War to defeat the Coronavirus, Merkel states in address.
uh oh
rare sparrow
Does anyone else do this? On certain nodes with a target or array or something where there's just a get node, sticking it on top of the node you need it for.
another example
jovial talon
novel latch
I stick it under the node
less horizontal space wasted, more information on screen without scrolling and you can see more flow in debug too without stopping
stray hill
i stick it under as well.
neon iris
mild root
rule of thumb for me - avoid wire crossing. makes graphs more readable. although putting well named datanode on top makes some sense as well
maybe for simple get variable cases, they should appear as embeded into a function
cursive crypt
FYI: Contributing to distributed computation for corona
https://foldingathome.org/2020/03/15/coronavirus-what-were-doing-and-how-you-can-help-in-simple-terms/
calm drift
Does anyone know what the usual for response time is on the release form? A week, two weeks, a month? etc.
This form
pearl elk
So back to Vice City then ๐
pearl elk
fluid bloom
mossy nexus
ugh. Someone replied to an Answerhub Q I posted ages ago, then deleted it after I replied to them. Irked.
cursive crypt
broken quiver
plucky pagoda
So yeah, my wife's work is making the frigging tests but I can't get one. The Governor has ordered only those admitted to hospitals and health care workers can be tested since they still don't have access to many.
stiff crystal
makes sense
plucky pagoda
They need more tests. Mass testing is the best way to get it under control.
stiff crystal
there are actually potentially infected people who can't get those tests, no need to spend them on people without symptoms
sure, but they have to prioritize
also pretty sure "under control" is lost cause on this
I don't mean people shouldn't be careful or not take caution
plucky pagoda
If we don't try and minimize spread the outcome is horrific. We still have to do everything we can, even if it's months behind.
ah
yeah
stiff crystal
there's just not resources to test every living being and if people get tested, better aim them to sick & people who treat sick
I also wonder if it's good to just test "just in case" when you are potentially exposing yourself to the virus while doing it
stiff crystal
people have waited here in line to get tested, so can just imagine that some of the people waiting to get tested may be sick and you get your dose there :p
plucky pagoda
@fluid bloom I started making one of those a few months ago. I love his work on those. He's made some really cool ones too.
Although, the one's I saw before didn't have drills.
Wow.,
fluid bloom
the repeating instant legolas ones are great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH2uVMJTt2s
plucky pagoda
Yeah, the one I wanted to make was like that but shorter
That's awesome with the drill
He's great.
stiff crystal
I like how he has target board like 0.5m from the wall and people walking next to the building in the background :p
I guess he's confident he won't miss
carmine frigate
should be more worried it goes trough the wall ๐
pearl elk
lol why is his finger suddenly bandaged in that first one
tulip orbit
plucky pagoda
Carrion works for me if I browse to the exe and launch it. Launched from Steam it crashes at the main menu. What I played was pretty fun.
tulip orbit
It worked for me once I restarted steam. Yeah it was fun ๐ Short demo tho ๐ฆ
fathom wadi
I think I need restarting.
tulip orbit
probably try restarting your computer first
nova finch
Humans def need a reboot every now and then
zinc matrix
@soft night thats what gov wants yuu to think. in reality they are already more efficient than soldiers during wars
fluid bloom
goddamn steam and its store
black screen is all I get
what the fuuuu
I click "add to cart" and the element displaying the DLC on the page just disappears
where is the cart anyway on steam? Can't find shit
this is confusing, it feels like I'm getting dementia or something
zinc matrix
do you buy new games often?
fathom wadi
@soft night I have to say, for a robot, his aim was terrible there. Obviously on a gamepad or something.
soft night
@fathom wadi or error in the targeting matrix
fathom wadi
definite attempt at a no scope. trigger happy tho ๐
zinc matrix
should i get a rc drone 1000 โฌ or improve my camera setup 1000 โฌ? i also wanna make money with them
analog hamlet
drone require some maintenance and its a cost
but you can use a drone to spy on people and grab some ransom money so it may worth it in a way
plucky pagoda
At the price get a mavic pro
zinc matrix
im talking about a freestyle drone
plucky pagoda
ah
stiff crystal
directx dev day stream live now: https://mixer.com/DirectX
zinc matrix
ya. drones also require months of exp. to fly them safely and good and make good videos
fathom wadi
there is going to be some new laws directed towards public drone usage soon. I think they are planning corporate highways for delivery and need regulation in there in the same strictness as the aviation authorities would provide
hmm apparently it already went into effect in Nov 2019. But I heard something new recent also
stiff crystal
zinc matrix
@stiff crystal malady do you know when new gpus will release
stiff crystal
I don't know but would estimate late fall this year
people expected them in the summer but whole world is kinda halted now
so looking more like Q3 or Q4
median wraith
If you thought the current gen was blur, welcome to the next gen where everything is worst
๐ค
trying to get power where there isnt
lost bison
yea, we all saw the xbax fridge shilling videos where minecraft raytracing was running at whopping 20fps
"its not optimized yet" yea I don't think it matters at that point
median wraith
whats going on today with the people and the xmas lights all over the walls ?
stiff crystal
we still have xmas lights on the balcony
they haven't been lit in months
but too lazy to remove them :p
median wraith
We have to save the world, okay let me add lights all over my walls and lets chance it if my house burns a day
well the xmas ones you didn't removed and just keep there disabled or whatever its a different topic
but about the streamers etc with this...
median wraith
to me its like the people that wants to highlight them in some way, so do this
soft night
amd dxr video was cool looking
median wraith
by now you're more original without these, as them all have it xD
pearl compass
carmine frigate
@median wraith its an RGB house of PC gamer? ๐
that raytracing vid feels a bit off, runnin sorta low fps or recorded low fps
if that was an action game i would drop a lot of the settings to make it playable
soft night
well amd is behind on rasterations
carmine frigate
it does seem a tad low fps right?