lounge

[solar nebula]

And if you land on the ground before making a second jump, this also resets the permission to make a second jump

[quiet narwhal]

if you didnt know already so there is no reason to build double jump

[signal citrus]

lol

that is a very strange thing to be built in

[zinc matrix]

ahemm

[quiet narwhal]

doublearu jumparu?

[signal citrus]

quintuple jump

[solar nebula]

@signal citrus not as strange if you remember that the primary design principle of CMC is that it must do everything and it must fit in a single cpp file

😄

[signal citrus]

[quiet narwhal]

I dont think there is a max value.. soo yeah like the tooltip even references unlimited jumps lol

[zinc matrix]

so

there is no way to boolean input actions?

[signal citrus]

nope degast

no way

[quiet narwhal]

there is no way to do what you want how you want it, correct

[solar nebula]

@zinc matrix we gave you like 3 different ways to do this

So yes, there is no way

[zinc matrix]

fuug

[solar nebula]

Except actually doing it

xD

[zinc matrix]

no plugins in the market?

[quiet narwhal]

actually if you want to do it you need to create a custom input poller on the tick

then you could disable calling events if you wanted to

[solar nebula]

You should run an instance of Unity engine in background

You can send data to unity, make the character jump there and then read it back to unreal

[signal citrus]

but can you boolean the input matheww

[solar nebula]

I'm sure that you can boolean the input in Unity right

[quiet narwhal]

yeah if you have like a sequence that calls the actual events in the tick you could disable events before they are called every frame

[zinc matrix]

hmm

[signal citrus]

i want it to work the other way i wanted it to though

[quiet narwhal]

but thats just re engineering something that doesnt need to be changed

[zinc matrix]

I think everything need to be changed

🙂

[solar nebula]

I think you don't have enough experience yet to make a judgement like that (and that's okay, we all were at that point, for real)

[quiet narwhal]

technically input is on update in Unity and you could branch not checking it so I guess that would work as well, basically do the same thing in UE4

but then again ugh... having all input polled in update is annoying lol

i mean technically it's done anyways for you in the background in UE4 because.. uh... how else could you detect input is done without polling

[zinc matrix]

I understand

[signal citrus]

i really dislike input in both

[quiet narwhal]

but hell rebuild the input poller in tick 🙂

[signal citrus]

give me timestamps and way more data, i'd be happy, i'd be using flicks on joysticks and stuff

[zinc matrix]

and here i was today working on AI 8 hours

[quiet narwhal]

the new input system in Unity is much nicer than the old one but still tied to C# for polling so it can only get so good

[solar nebula]

Yeah, it would be nice to have input timestamps

[zinc matrix]

and have a problem with fucking doublejump xD

[quiet narwhal]

well double jump is built it, takes 2 seconds to flip a value from 1 to 2 and its done

[signal citrus]

1khz input polling at least please

yeah double jump ✅

[zinc matrix]

how would i change built in doublejump animation for the second jump?

[quiet narwhal]

I actually don't know if input is polled faster than frame rate but that's a curious question

[zinc matrix]

is it just 2x jump functions

[signal citrus]

its not

i've looked all into it

all the events run once, inbetween (frame) presses outside of keyboard do nothing

[quiet narwhal]

jump event -> add 1 to jump counter -> do normal jump event

[zinc matrix]

can i change the second jump Z ?

[quiet narwhal]

in the anim bp you pull in the value during the event graph and your jump blendspace can play whatever animation you want

[signal citrus]

unreal doesn't know which button you hit first if they both were hit in the same frame for example

[quiet narwhal]

@signal citrus damn I wonder if there is a way to replace the input system with like a plugin to do that

[signal citrus]

🙏

i'm very close to writing one myself

cause its the weakest thing in the engine

[solar nebula]

Amusingly our train sim could benefit from 1000 hz polling and properly ordered events big time 😄

I know it sounds like a game where you make a lot of inputs, but you actually kinda do in some edge cases

[north torrent]

How would you possibly hit two buttons at the same time at 60 frames per second though?

[signal citrus]

very easy

[north torrent]

Or am I missing the point here?

[signal citrus]

have your game care

and its an immediate problem

[quiet narwhal]

@zinc matrix you can change values by checking which jump # you are on before calling the jump event sure

[signal citrus]

nah Mao just if you have like this button then that button does A and that button then this button does B

pressing both at the same time is like nuh-uh, so you mentally have to consider the framerate which makes that approach bad

in a perfect world framerate would be constant

[solar nebula]

@north torrent fascinatingly under the right circumstances people can make inputs with timing on order of 0-10 msec and less

Including negative times where the human makes the input before the time when he's supposed to make it

[signal citrus]

depressing two buttons at the same time with one thumb is easy though, and rolling a thumb over two will get the order wrong

[solar nebula]

The exact nature of these sorta inputs depend on how the humans perceive the data and how well their brain can "simulate" what is happening in the game as far as predictive input is concerned

I've never looked at this in videogame context, but this is something considered in aerospace, pilots can make very fine and very interesting inputs

[solar nebula]

Or in simpler words, your brain can push two buttons within 10 msec spacing between the two and consciously decide which button acts first

[zinc matrix]

hmmm

Btw

[signal citrus]

yeah

[zinc matrix]

did the built in 2 jumpo

[signal citrus]

that is good words

[zinc matrix]

And it still jumps

falling

while falling

[quiet narwhal]

it should jump once since you have it set to 2, you dont want to allow any jumping when falling?

setting it to 2 allows 1 air jump, when falling you are in the air

[zinc matrix]

fug

[solar nebula]

I can't give a detailed explanation for biological aspects of this, but the tl;dr is that there are several pathways between your sensory organs and muscles

[zinc matrix]

i thought it allows just 2 from ground

[signal citrus]

like the dance game, which button gets pressed first sets a tile of what the other buttons tweak when pressed in addition to. so left direction and b then right does one thing, where b then left does another thing

[solar nebula]

The normal pathway is very long, the signal travels from your eyes into your brain, through the visual decoding circuitry, it goes into decision making parts, then it travels from that part down to the muscles

[signal citrus]

game falls apart with the framerate, consistenly giving me headaches

[solar nebula]

This pathway gives about 200-250 msec reaction time at best

This is the normal path for decisions made with expectation, but without predictable conditions

The other pathway is same, but assumes that your decision making parts aren't ready - this is about 600-1200 msec reaction time

The last pathway is going through your 'spine', your body can make oscillators and pathways for you that wire your sensory parts directly to muscles through a simple transformation

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/AHBvqJG.jpg

[signal citrus]

1khz input would let you pretty smoothly base actions off acceleration of the stick too

rather than its position

[solar nebula]

This pathway has like 50-200 msec reaction time, but the brain starts adjusting these circuits by predicting what movements you must do way before your muscles start working

Through this pathway you can get zero or negative input latency between your eyes and your fingers, fascinatingly

[signal citrus]

negative latency is a thing

[solar nebula]

Your brain predicts the potential input and energizes your muscles, and within 50 msec or better your 'spine' can decide whether action must be continued or not

Combine all this together and you can close the buttons contacts precisely with nearly 0 msec latency - but if prediction misbehaves or the actions are unpredictable, it reverts to 50-200 msec or the input is made incorrectly

This is partly why it's important for videogames to give linear feedback to the player (this isn't something you have to think about consciously too much, it's something you can feel)

Brain only can predict linear response, it cannot predict quadratic processes for example

[signal citrus]

i really do wonder about what the brain does with something like stadia, where the picture is constant but theres a defined gap of time you have to play between your thumb and video feed

[solar nebula]

You can only steer a car when there is a linear response between turn rate and steering wheel deflection, when you ruin this relationship the car starts feeling "off" and shitty

[signal citrus]

yeah accelerators are weird too

the resistance tries to be linear even though the action is not

[north torrent]

My brain is linear.

[signal citrus]

nice

[zinc matrix]

mathewW what is that variable numjump

[signal citrus]

believe its one you make degast

[zinc matrix]

i know

but default value

[signal citrus]

0

[solar nebula]

@signal citrus yeah all controls are linearized for the humans

@north torrent everyones brains are linear 😄

[signal citrus]

idk about dolphins

[solar nebula]

I'm pretty sure it's same for every living being on earth

There are only some exceptional people who are really good at linearization - they are STILL operating in linear terms, but their brains can map non-linear inputs to linear ones

These people become test pilots

[signal citrus]

our concept of linear could just mean feels good too though

as well as our explainations of math

[zinc matrix]

@quiet narwhal thanks, but absolutely doesnt work for me at all.

now it just jumps as much as possible and makes a double jump on first jump

if u were trying to help me

[solar nebula]

@signal citrus the concept of brain being linear can be probably tied to actual chemical/electric potentials that occur in the brain I imagine 😄

I dunno enough about biological aspects of it

Just the control theory aspects of it

[signal citrus]

yeah, chemicals

[solar nebula]

Like the linear perception of brightness is tied to non-linear reaction of retina to the light

The light power vs light brightness dependency is not linear, but the response of the retina is also non-linear

Though this is not a great example

[signal citrus]

but could we not measure light by how its perceived too?

[solar nebula]

Because the vision system grew and self-adapted itself

@signal citrus you can measure the perceived light by taking the signals from the visual cortex

They exist there

Just uhh, hard to get

You could get visible light as seen by the retina in form of chemical/electric potentials

[signal citrus]

yeah i just mean, when i'm trying to set up relationships with numbers to numbers

it kind of seems like everythings speaking linear differently to eachother

it kind of feels like we just get things into a place we can number and refer to its linear relation to other things

but i do get what you mean, i just think about that a lot too

[solar nebula]

There is an effect to where all data visualization strives to be linear as to be perceived best by human brain

People feel most comfortable with linear data outputs

[quiet narwhal]

I don't know what to say then because as tested it double jumps when it's on the ground and will not jump it all when falling

[solar nebula]

So there is a bit of a bias where the way we display and illustrate numbers is linearized compared to the real process

[quiet narwhal]

And it has twice the velocity during the second jump only

[solar nebula]

Stuff like log scale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmic_scale <-- example of a human bias towards linearization of data, but this has strong practical reasons obviously

[summer flax]

Super interesting discussion and it led me to find out ... there's a signaling protein in our bodies named after Sonic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_hedgehog

[solar nebula]

The perception of for example log scale data has issues - the linearity of brain can make you misunderstand the magnitude of numbers

[signal citrus]

doesn't that just favor the problems of less number though? assigning linear color scale i mean

[solar nebula]

I mean more that looking at a graph, you might misunderstand relationships between numbers on an intuitive level

One sec

There is this one great study case that happened and reminded everyone about data perception

[zinc matrix]

mathewW i made sure i had exactly same setup in the bp

I guess numjump was 0

i tried 1 and 2 too

I am using a dynamicnode plugin in my project maybe that is affecting somehow

[signal citrus]

degast that ++ increments the number by one

[zinc matrix]

yes

[signal citrus]

so it starts at 1 by the time it hits that select

[solar nebula]

https://www.asktog.com/books/challengerExerpt.html this stuff

[zinc matrix]

😄 What a silly problem

[quiet narwhal]

Yep numjump default is 0. First jump it becomes 1 and you jump normal. Next time it becomes 2 and you jump higher. 2 is the max in the character so you now fall. When you land it resets back to 0. The check for is falling and numjump == 0 prevents you from jumping when falling unless you already jumped so if falling off a ledge you can't jump at all

[zinc matrix]

yup thought so

just did not help at all

made my char double jump on single jump press

also could do infinite jumps

and jump from fall

[signal citrus]

@summer flax lol

interesting read too blackfox

[solar nebula]

@summer flax yeah that's great, apparently there's a whole family of hedgehogs there

And a robotnik xD

[summer flax]

🙂

[zinc matrix]

guys

im getting close

i managed to do a double jump and not when falling without initial jump from ground

but only when i release the jump button

Im going to sleep when i get this right xD

[zinc matrix]

I made it

Shall I screenshot it?

<3doublejump

[jovial talon]

@winged hazel Happy birthday!

[winged hazel]

ha! thanks

[azure chasm]

Glassbeaver sound like a beer drinknin name ... like your building some sort of Beer dam to horde all that alkie for yourself @winged hazel

how fucking hard is it to use a ps4 controller in windows

in 2020

with ue4

do i have to launch ue4 from steam again

[zinc matrix]

Real deal

Sorry, this is the right way 🙂

good night

[plucky pagoda]

@quiet narwhal @zinc matrix Character already has a JumpCount Variable that increments when the player jumps. If I understand correctly, you could use onJump to set a sentinel, then clear it in the onlanded event. If the character is falling and the sentinel hasn't been set disallow the jump request.

[azure chasm]

i hate timelines

they say they are safer than event ticks

but you cant control

the tick of the timeline

in bp's

[plucky pagoda]

I love timelines. YOu have complete control.

But they aren't for everything.

[azure chasm]

oh yeah no ok i dont hate them lol

i use them for a lot as well

but as far as better than event tick

you can control the tick freq

in bp ...

[plucky pagoda]

If you use normalized values you can set the playrate to anything. Between timelines and event timers you can do most anything that needs to be over time or repeated.

[azure chasm]

event timers yes

what do you mean set playrate to anything?

isnt the timeline always running at delta time

[plucky pagoda]

maybe, but you can control the rate at which it plays which would change how much it changes each tick

or how far it moves on a curve

etc

[azure chasm]

i still dont understand... can you can control if runs at every tick

[plucky pagoda]

I don't know for 100%.

[azure chasm]

because if not, than its not better for autoloopign something like a fan for example.. might as well leave it on event tick and set freq lower (although for the sakes of argumentation, you could just rotate it on vertex shader but im just trying to make a point about performance using timelines vs tick)

yeah me neither, idk

the truth is there is never a best use scenario

everything is dependant

on what you need

to do

also publix had a 2 4 1 pale ale special, so opinions might be not be 100% on point at this time

[carmine frigate]

i heared timers are more efficient but didnt bother testing, and i dont see why they would be

[stiff crystal]

@azure chasm doesn't it just... work?

oh wait this wasn't scrolled down

that was to the ps4 controller

how hard is it... to make discord behave like everyone would expect

[fluid bloom]

hard

well, for discord that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548sCh0mMRc

...did I link that already? 🤔

having a deja vu feeling while watching this 😄

[fathom wadi]

Rei... I think you are missing some vital info from Timelines dude. You can control them the same way as Tick. Even better is you can control the count, where in Tick, you have to adapt the count (and it's a persistent tick).

[zinc matrix]

im mega hungry

[stiff crystal]

been polling gdcvault each day now to see when the rest of GDC2018 talks get released behind the paywall

nothing yet :p

[zinc matrix]

nice man

[zinc matrix]

rr

food been ate coffee been devoured

now its time to transfusion it into development

[deep glen]

gf when she's hungry:
https://giphy.com/gifs/memecandy-lTS8Tz9gLUdIs3pEgM
gf when I tell her Imma make fresh greek bbq foods
https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitten-cute-animals-A5cc8mVVw9cZO

[median wraith]

LOL

If this ever happen to me as dev remember me to do other kind of job

But can't happen if you never release a game

https://media1.tenor.com/images/99e59449b7554b81bd40770ce32aa322/tenor.gif?itemid=7723689

[zinc matrix]

Now I need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrrBtd3ae1o

[mild root]

I've seen a "tutorial" where author didn't achieve consistent result and even admits it, yet everyone in the comment section seems to be happy about it. Were these comments written by paid spambots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5l0u7M-ILo

[real palm]

@mild root welcome to YouTube tutorials

One of the most popular channels implemented an inventory by making a set of integers in the game instance

and dragged separate image widgets into the umg

Better make that the centerpiece we recommend newcomers

[mild root]

assembling weapon-like piece of functionality with one hardcoded weapon and calling it a "system"

[real palm]

[mild root]

and so on

[real palm]

Yeah Iunno

[mild root]

I am not a newcomer, just was looking for ai perception overview, but this stuff is not only useless, it does more harm

[real palm]

But AI that aren't 100% the same each time might be good. Those people might not understand that we aren't talking about that when we call something inconsistent

[raw rose]

Make better tutorials

[real palm]

That is a bullshit argument

[raw rose]

We must combat the bad ones

[real palm]

and I have

I can no longer make tuts

But I made a little proto tutorial which properly explains something in BP I've never heard of any tutorial tackle, not even the official ones

[mild root]

I don't need good tutorials, what are we, looking for making competitors?
I'll keep my knowledge to myself kekeke

[real palm]

Also I jumped the gun a lil there deathclonic

@mild root Well hope you find a good reference

It's going to be a struggle

[mild root]

https://youtu.be/nshHCycft4A

as usual

and docs.unrealengine.com

[raw rose]

I think I had trouble with that

[fringe sundial]

youtube gamedevs tend to be absolutely worthless

unity is even worse

[raw rose]

I don't remember what exactly anymore

[fringe sundial]

but man, someone of these ue4 youtubers suck

if my english/voice wasnt as bad, i would make the videos myself. Actually tried

there is so much bad knowledge being spread

[mild root]

I consider these "youtube gamedevs" as frauds, most of them

[raw rose]

I have good English

[real palm]

And anytime you call it out, mostly, or direct someone away... they resist it

[mild root]

really just poorly made junior-level stuff

not even intermediate

[real palm]

You can't call it junior

Absolute novice work

[mild root]

well, noob

[fringe sundial]

junior is above that bruh

[mild root]

newcomer

[fringe sundial]

yeah noob is a good tag

[real palm]

Straight off the street

[mild root]

but still it is so wrong

[fringe sundial]

noob -> novice -> junior

[real palm]

Blind leading the blind

[carmine frigate]

first u watch a tutorial on how to do something, now u can make a tutorial on how to do it urself 😛

[mild root]

especially from architecture perspective

training of bad habits

[fringe sundial]

the thing is that real tutorials arent what interest people

noobs just want noob stuff

[real palm]

YOU WANT THEM TO ARCHITECT A SYSTEM!?

B R U H

[mild root]

I AM SORRY FOR SAYING THAT

[real palm]

nobody has time for that

[raw rose]

People just want something that works. Regardless of how

[real palm]

we have to make 10 games on video

and all from nothing

[fringe sundial]

for a while ive thought of doing a tut series where you remake classic games on ue4

or just cpp

stuff like snake, pong, arkanoid, space invaders

[real palm]

so the inventory can be friggen anything so long as it is quick

[fringe sundial]

that sort of thing

[real palm]

that'd be just fine and then they go and label them as education

Enjoy making your game mechanic vlog. No, really.

[fringe sundial]

btw, on topic

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/fevgv9/guide_to_game_performance_for_unreal_engine_4/

[raw rose]

Like these? https://ue4resources.com/2d-templates

[fringe sundial]

i published this

[real palm]

But to sit there and call yourself a learning channel when you do that is just Insanity

[fringe sundial]

made a small guide of some of the typical things i see for perf

[real palm]

Oh? the one you showed in the other place?

[fringe sundial]

yeah, i publised it

[real palm]

Updooted

@raw rose That looks more like a portfolio

[raw rose]

They're all free to download

[real palm]

Yeah but a vlog is long form

[raw rose]

Yeah so he would be going into detail on every part

[mossy nexus]

The one you linked, he works for Ubisoft.

[carmine frigate]

i found that stat command that show blueprint time kinda handy

[raw rose]

Elhoussine?

Oh yeah I guess he is. That's cool

[fringe sundial]

@carmine frigate yeah stat stuff is great

but now that Insights is a thing, stat stuff is a bit less useful except to get a quick overview

[plucky pagoda]

I made two tutorials. 5 minutes after posting the first one I realized half of the math in it was wrong, redundant or just canceled itself out.

[alpine fern]

isn't stat what you use now to make zones in insights tho?

so it's still very useful

[deep glen]

@fringe sundial Im actually almost done with an optimization guide as well, but more related to materials and such

[fringe sundial]

@alpine fern nope, there is a TRACE thingy which is more tuned for insights

STAT is the old one, insights supports them from backwards compat

[alpine fern]

oh interesting

I've been using the QUICK_CYCLE_COUNTER thingy to make zones because I didn't know of anything else

[plucky pagoda]

Is Pillars of Eternity 2 any good?

[mossy nexus]

Prefered the 1st

[rain steppe]

I don't like obsidian games.

[bold fulcrum]

Do you think it could be mutual ?

[stiff crystal]

when I used UE4 more I did a macro to replace the multiple macros to setup profiling with a simple to use one-liner

could just paste that thing anywhere on my project

[alpine fern]

huh, what multiple macros?

[stiff crystal]

DECLARE_CYCLE_STAT + SCOPE_CYCLE_COUNTER

I guess QUICK_CYCLE_COUNTER doesn't need the former?

wait, is that even a thing?

I don't see it on github search

@alpine fern

again, last time I used these was on 4.15, so 😄

[alpine fern]

oh it's slightly different

like this

QUICK_SCOPE_CYCLE_COUNTER(GetAllDerivedClasses);

[signal citrus]

that intel flaw is kinda nuts

if there were any consoles out there using intel, it'd be game over lol

maybe a problem for like public computer labs, but i kinda doubt they really have much protection on the boot sequence to begin with

[north torrent]

If you go to a public computer lab, wipe the keyboard and mouse with alcohol wipes, otherwise you might get coronavirus.

[signal citrus]

that dirty, dirty, plastic keyboard cover/lunch placemat

@zinc matrix its a Zenith Extreme II

3970x

[zinc matrix]

Oh its a threadripper board

Makes sense

[stiff crystal]

I'm more curious how you spend 44GB of it now

[zinc matrix]

Its easy to do that

[stiff crystal]

I'm currently at 12GB in normal use

but I suppose OS allocates more of that in a system like that

[zinc matrix]

If you have Maya, Substance Painter, Unreal Engine, Chrome, and Photoshop open all at the same time, expect to use 40+gb

[stiff crystal]

why would you have all those open at once? 😄

[signal citrus]

gg adode desktop services

[zinc matrix]

I do rn lmao

[signal citrus]

i've got a threadripper

everything is fine

[stiff crystal]

also, you could just run agisoft and it could consume more alone

[zinc matrix]

I want a threadripper so bad but I have to save for furniture lmao

[stiff crystal]

I'm still bit bummed I didn't wait for 3950x

but it is what it is

honestly the delay on 3900x was so bad that I didn't expect 3950x to be available till about now.. but it's been in stock after month of it's release (when it eventually got out, months later than it was supposed to)

even on 12 core, it pains when you see things only use 1-2 hw threads for processing 😄

[signal citrus]

they'll be announcing fourth series soon 0lento so you did good

this month

[stiff crystal]

well, we'll see if it's compatible with x570 in the first place

also... isn't the 4000 ryzens just some laptop cpu's first?

and the real deal is coming next summer earliest?

@signal citrus

[signal citrus]

desktop 4000 series is announcing this month

laptops are out now yeah

[stiff crystal]

doesn't mean they ship those until fall tho 😄

[signal citrus]

it doesn't but would you consider a 3950x knowing that? haha

i mean

[stiff crystal]

after the fiasco with 39x0 releases, I don't believe anything they say for the release dates before I see things in stock 😄

[signal citrus]

knowing the jump it likely will be

[stiff crystal]

oh I'm not upgrading this now 🙂

this is fine

just saying aloud that 3950x would have been nicer pick IMO

it runs cooler on regular desktop use as well

[signal citrus]

likely 6 months of not having a 3900x though

i imagine the quality of life on 3900x is good

[zinc matrix]

omg

i will NEVER finish mY GAME !!

NEVERRR

it takes too much time if your doing anything else than 2d platformer

my impatience kicks in

[tulip orbit]

I know what you mean 😦

[zinc matrix]

i love the feeling of satisfaction that comes from it though.. when you cnonect bunch of features together..

and it works well.. dang. feels nice

like your a PRO

[tulip orbit]

that might be one of my issues, I havent had one of those little successes in a while

been trying to model the player ship exterior, and its taking forever, feels like I'm not getting anywhere

[stiff crystal]

or... just don't make MMORPG on your own

there's plenty of genres between MMOs and 2D platforms :p

[zinc matrix]

no there are none

[tulip orbit]

mine is basically a FPS

[zinc matrix]

the worst is when you spend many long hours on simple feature

that should take much less

[tulip orbit]

no the worst is when you're staring at your project and have no idea what to work on, and seem to be braindead, so you play a game instead

like I'm doing right now

[north torrent]

That is why I think it is important to have a schedule for your game design.

Set short term goals that a measurable, have a list of tasks that need done to complete said goal and move to the next stage of development, and a schedule for when you will work on the tasks with a deadline.

I find that just working on a project when you feel like working on a project is a good way to never finish the project.

[deep glen]

^

[tulip orbit]

One of the reasons I've never made a schedule is that I've only been working on my project part time on the weekend, or in the morning before my day job, so its been a whenever I have time/energy. After work I'm typically too tired to work on a game

[zinc matrix]

@tulip orbit LOL drink some coffee and you will stop playing

and start deving

[tulip orbit]

but I just got laid off, so until I find a new job, I have lots of time to work on the game. Just feel sorta, lost. frustrated with the ship

I just finished my second cup of coffee 😄

[zinc matrix]

why you got kicked my friend?

[north torrent]

Right now I can either work on...
-Terrain Height Maps
-Terrain Textures in Substance Designer
-Dialogue Interface in UMG
-Character Music Theme Concepts

At this point in time I only schedule 9 hours a week that I am required to be working on my game. That is 1 hour a day and 3 on Saturday.

I usually end up doing more than that, but I keep the requirment low so it doesn't add stress to my life.

In the end I usually want to keep working after the hour because it is fun.

[tulip orbit]

Got some health issues, so I have been missing too much time at work, guess they had enough. 😦 Good chance now to find a better paying job anyway

[zinc matrix]

yeah dont worry about them

[north torrent]

I personally found it helpful for my mental state to have a set part of the day I spend looking for jobs.

So if you set aside 3 hours in the morning to apply and search for jobs, and you get that done, you can go about the rest of your time without feeling stressed about it.

Otherwise all the time you spend with your family or playing games or eating pancakes, that stress of needing to look for a job will weigh over your head.

My main goal is to not let my personal time and my work time overlap and contaminate each other with the coronavirus.

[tulip orbit]

I opted to take a day or two to rest and relax, let my brain reset and recover before worrying about my job situation

maybe after lunch I'll take a look at my project and make a list of things to do

I'm sure I can come up with more than a few items

[north torrent]

https://fitsmallbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/smart-goals-examples-tips-from-pros.png

Honestly, if I would have learned this stuff sooner I would have been much much more successful early in my game design career.

[tulip orbit]

Yeah thats my problem with my current project. Even if I get the main gameplay features done, and all the basics are there already, I've only got one level so far... gonna need a loot more, unless I get a procedural level system in place

and it took me about 1 1/2 mo of parttimeing it to get my level to its current state

[zinc matrix]

😮

hackered ye

[rare mauve]

my city of 1M people had our first corona virus case. toilet paper out of stock EVERYWHERE. why do people think hoarding TP is going to save them!??!

at least we've started getting some good memes out of it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/123183005631119364/685951218262343710/image0.png

[bold fulcrum]

Won't save, but will certainly improve quality of life towards the end.

[silk raptor]

good evening everyone

[rare mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/123183005631119364/685958331856453633/image0.png

[zinc matrix]

Tell me when they will start selling Ryzen's for toilet paper

preferably used one (paper)

[tulip orbit]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91mkfSZhjJL._SX425_.jpg

[cerulean arrow]

yeah... I was building a top down game in unity where you controlled the wind

long story short

hard coded vertex shader limitations killed my project

[honest scroll]

Mhmmm

The best line I heard in this channel so far is

[north torrent]

Are there really people in the world that don't already have a month supply of toilet paper sitting in a closet?

Crazy...

[honest scroll]

"Unity makes projects easy to start, and impossible to finish"

[cerulean arrow]

I'd agree entirely

[honest scroll]

In UE things take a small bit longer to set up, and then they WORK

And they look good and I don't have to do them over again

[north torrent]

For programmers or for artists?

[cerulean arrow]

btw.. if ya need a tester for landscape stuff...I'm up for that...

[honest scroll]

Both

I might send ya a copy of the pack for free yeah if you're down to play with it 🙂

[north torrent]

I've never seen Unity as easy to start for someone who is on the artist side of things.

[honest scroll]

@north torrent : Possibly agreed

[cerulean arrow]

I've been building a master material also.. but... I keep running into issues with features just not working the way I want them to...

the whole 12 texture thing blows....

[honest scroll]

In UE?

[cerulean arrow]

not everything can be shared texture space

[honest scroll]

How come?

[cerulean arrow]

had issues with the world space shit...

yells silently

[honest scroll]

Sorry, friend messaged me

What kind of issues?

[north torrent]

Eats cheeseburger moderately silently

[honest scroll]

So far I haven't wanted to really try to make one master material

My pack has one master material for rocks/hard surfaces, one for foliage, one for crystals/glassy stuff, and then the landscape automaterial

I can say right now that automaterials are AMAZING

[cerulean arrow]

haha that they are

[honest scroll]

Did Joe Garth invent that concept?

[mossy nexus]

yup. cars look shit without them

[honest scroll]

With Brushify?

[mossy nexus]

nope

[cerulean arrow]

I actually got so irritated at it.. I decided to build something without terrain entirely

[honest scroll]

Hahaha

But, UE terrain is good!

[mossy nexus]

first one on the MP was LAM

[honest scroll]

I thought he did that though

Oh I guess not

[north torrent]

Lots of new tools for terrain in 2.24.

[honest scroll]

That was VEA

Still

I mean, UE's material editor just blows me away

The amount of craaaaazy next gen stuff that is possible

[cerulean arrow]

ue4 terrain is awful!

[honest scroll]

😮

[cerulean arrow]

in the name of backwards / cross platform compatibility.. the terrain system is 16 + years old

[north torrent]

I had a job back in 2012 were I was 80% doing crazy materials in UE3 and 20% doing particle effects and lighting.

[honest scroll]

gazes at his lovely UE terrain

[honest scroll]

That's hotttt

[north torrent]

Anyone who doesn't like Unreal terrain just isn't doing it right.

[honest scroll]

So far I love UE everything

[cerulean arrow]

have you looked at red dead 2 terrain....

[honest scroll]

Except the way that scroll windows don't autoscroll up or down when I'm trying to drag and drop

And I mouse over the top or bottom with the window with my payload

Other than that, everything 😄

[north torrent]

I could make Read Dead 2 terrain in Unreal if you gave me 5 years,

[honest scroll]

RDR2 is pretty amazing, but I've learned to stop comparing myself to the teams with $10m graphics budgets

It's nice enough we're getting access to all those Quixel assets 😄

[north torrent]

More like $100 million...

[honest scroll]

I mean JUST the graphics

Like, the engine and the shaders and whatnot

[mossy nexus]

you could just create a high res landscape and scale it down so it's super detailed lol

[honest scroll]

Yes, that game easily had a nine figure budget

But it's a billion+ dollar title

[mossy nexus]

and then don't have anything else in, coz your fps is shit

[cerulean arrow]

the issue is how we are still stuck on 16 textures total with a custom shader for terrain

[north torrent]

I am going to make a Red Dead 2 quality map. It will just be really, really small.

[honest scroll]

@cerulean arrow : Shared space has been working pretty well for me

[cerulean arrow]

or 12 if you use the material editor

[north torrent]

It won't have all the different biomes and vast exporable area of Red Dead.

But doing that quality is a small scene is far from impossible.

[cerulean arrow]

like.. you can get a long way by packing carefully

[honest scroll]

I mean, small scenes can be nearly photorealistic now in UE

Koola's work comes to mind

[cerulean arrow]

very very very small scenes

[honest scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecerIIClbMA

[mossy nexus]

could you do some clever texture atlas stuff for landscape textures?

[cerulean arrow]

@honest scroll I'd be very interested in seeing what you have tho

[honest scroll]

Gimme a few days for the final polish and you'll be the first one I send it to 😄

[cerulean arrow]

sounds good mate 🙂

I'm making a waterfall atm

[honest scroll]

That's on my list!

I need to write a real water shader for UE some time this year hopefully

So not easy though

It's the underwater stuff/caustics that kill

[mossy nexus]

@cerulean arrow you saw the fluid sim video? It's rather nice.

[north torrent]

I'm not going to go for photorealistic though.

I'm using Red Dead 2 as my target for quality, but I am going to try to stylize things as much as I can without cutting down the quality of the textures and super high res models.

[cerulean arrow]

no ?

[mossy nexus]

https://youtu.be/xtdKob1iy4Y

[north torrent]

Damn... I miss making particle effects...

[mossy nexus]

I may be risking the wrath of peoples, but RedDead 2s landscape isn't all that great. A lot of the textures and foliage meshes etc are super basic. Even at high settings.

I spent far too long closely examining a lot of stuff.

[north torrent]

It is nothing special in and of itself.

It is really just the combination of everything at such a scale that is impressive.

[mossy nexus]

Where it excels though is combining it all, to trick you into thinking it's good.

[cerulean arrow]

sure it's low poly...

[north torrent]

And the snow tracks are damn good, I still haven't duplicated that part yet.

[cerulean arrow]

but ask yourself this... how many times did you see a tiling texture... other then a few floaters / strechies... it was pretty much perfect

and I worry about spotify these days

this was on my made for me list... https://open.spotify.com/track/4qS7oSrVKcLRXpOIhfRyGH?si=51jW00joS-q-ak-FgeeCyw

[mossy nexus]

yup, I'm keen on learning to use... erm.. scholastic? texturing

goodbye tiling

demo project I saw had 24 textures, looks pretty good.He was using triplaner too.

[north torrent]

Most great things are just a collection of simple things we could all do. But when you pile it up into an organized form with a lot of care it becomes something amazing.

[cerulean arrow]

this is true for the most part

but there are some real limitations to the terrain system

as much as I like the idea of trying to make systems that work on everything

it's just not viable for high end stuff

even with the resources that epic has

[north torrent]

I'm planning to spend 3 months at the end of my project just adding particle effects, doing lighting, post process volumes, and all the final polish pieces for my scene.

300 hours in total of just doing polish stuff...

[mossy nexus]

This the forum post that was talking about landscape texturing. Has a link to the project if anyone is interested. https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/1603512-randomized-tiling-function-eliminate-repeating-patterns-in-your-textures

[cerulean arrow]

I was just about to post that lol

[mossy nexus]

it's impressive

[zinc matrix]

gello

hello

is that the famous unreal slackers server

[honest scroll]

@mossy nexus : Stochastic

You're thinking of stochastic texturing

It's not perfect, but it is indeed way better for textures that can support it

Just remember, you can only stochastically tile irregular textures. So, tree bark yes, separated wood planks with nails etc. no

[mossy nexus]

well, yeah having messed up planks would be... erm... different?! 😄

[zinc matrix]

is here anyone

[north torrent]

YouTube adds are weird sometimes...

[silk raptor]

@north torrent the chinese buffed pillow guy its appearing to you too ?

[zinc matrix]

@north torrent youtube is infected by corona virus

[north torrent]

No, I just got an add about vagina care products...

Not doing a good job at spying on me, Google...

[silk raptor]

okay,more weird than mine(i think)

[north torrent]

And it was a really loud add, way louder than the music I was listening to... so everyone looked at me odd when it played.

[zinc matrix]

wtf lol https://twitter.com/mslopatto/status/1236321363498921985/photo/1

Elizabeth Lopatto (@mslopatto)

The word from Wuhan https://t.co/4R5Fwwd26Z

Retweets

2663

Likes

13201

Twitter

tldr: teachers use app store to give homework to students, students downvote the app to get rid of it from appstore

[north torrent]

It just really loud shouted "Take care of your vagina as well as you take care of your face"...

[zinc matrix]

wtf dude did you just said the V word

[north torrent]

Is there something wrong with that?

[zinc matrix]

PleAsE mInD yOuR WoRdInG

like there are some women here they could be offended

[north torrent]

Do they not teach you about that in school, Karol?

[mossy nexus]

I can see why people block you John.

[zinc matrix]

i don't know whos Karol, why do you associate me with him

@mossy nexus yes, why?

[mossy nexus]

because you come across as immature, childish and annoying at times.

[zinc matrix]

i just defended women...

[north torrent]

The school I work for in Shanghai is using 'Tencent Class' to do online teaching until school opens up next week.

[deep glen]

woman can defend themselves, and even though its lounge, lets not have talks about peens and vajj's ok :)

[zinc matrix]

haha yes i guess they can

[north torrent]

I heard Japanese school won't open until April now, but in most parts of China other than Wuhan school should be back in business in just over a week.

[zinc matrix]

i wonder how many in Wuhan really died. currently stats show about 4k deaths globally

[north torrent]

Right now we are doing online classes so that we can get enough school days to not have to extend the school year into summer vacation time.

[mossy nexus]

Hopefully they aren't jumping the gun on getting back to normal. Be really bad if all that did was increase the spread again.

[north torrent]

There are very few cases outside of Wuhan, and you can't just shut life down forever. That would be way more dangerous than and virus could be.

Society colapsing and turning to anarchy because nobody can go to work and make money to pay for rent and buy food... That would have 10x the death toll of a silly little virus.

[mossy nexus]

yup.

[north torrent]

In the US where most families live paycheck to paycheck without any money in savings, closing things down would certainly be more dangerous that just letting people get sick.

You can shut down basketball games and stuff like GDC. But people need to work.

[mossy nexus]

Offt. a hotel that was being used as a quarantine location in China collapsed. Nasty.

[cerulean arrow]

what happened to my chat about fun images

can we just move the BS to reddit where it belongs

[mossy nexus]

you went away. we improvised.

[zinc matrix]

yeah its weird that it collapsed

maybe someone was scared of them and did it in 'old ways'

[mossy nexus]

Pick a fun topic Altermind!

[north torrent]

Buildings that were build in 2018 shouldn't just colapse 2 years later. Something is off.

[cerulean arrow]

ummmmm talk about volumetric clouds

or go listen to weird as music

[mossy nexus]

and how in 4.25 they still suck?

[north torrent]

Clouds are part of the last stage of my project. It will be a long time before I get to those.

[zinc matrix]

cloud are hard

[cerulean arrow]

clouds are 50% of my project lol

[north torrent]

I used volumetric clouds in the Cryenging back in the day.

[zinc matrix]

whats volumetric

[north torrent]

Something too difficult for Karols to understand.

[zinc matrix]

i checked out unity assets and the free cloud packs there were kind of simple and not good fit for my game

[mossy nexus]

@cerulean arrow This looks nice https://twitter.com/i/status/1226257386131746817

Asher Zhu (@Vuthric)

I've been polishing up my volumetric fog-cloud. finally got the fluffy dry ice look <3💨

#UE4 #gamedev #realtimevfx #techart https://t.co/GyjbId4CFq

Retweets

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[zinc matrix]

they were just sphere shaders and the sphere was above the game area. id rather want something thats morethick than 1 pixel, and is everywhere

[cerulean arrow]

oh yes

I saw that @mossy nexus ... almost wet myself

[north torrent]

I do like fluffy things.

[mossy nexus]

I'm looking forward to the tutorial

although, I'd like to see a shader complexity shot

[cerulean arrow]

makes mine look like shit

and koola irritates me !

[mossy nexus]

well to be fair, he does work for Epic so you'd expect something amazing 😄

[cerulean arrow]

I'm just to all over the place

[mossy nexus]

have you looked at the fluid volumetrics stuff in 4.25?

[north torrent]

My scene I am making is high in the mountains, so I have debated on having a layer of clouds like that.

But I'll worry about that later after I have blocked out the whole thing and prototyped the gameplay elements.

Gotta work one step at a time.

[mossy nexus]

I always love floating islands

[north torrent]

Floating islands do generally need clouds.

Unless it is Arizona.

[mossy nexus]

cascade volumetrics?

[cerulean arrow]

ray marched clouds and standard ue4 volumetrics

[mossy nexus]

Nice.

[cerulean arrow]

I need to make some dead trees I think

[signal citrus]

https://www.sidefx.com/forum/topic/67922/ @fringe sundial kinda sucks it doesn't sound like they'll hit march for v2

[north torrent]

I don't see myself using it for anything in my current project.

[signal citrus]

the current version of it is really undocumented

but its pretty cool still

[north torrent]

Would end up taking me more time to learn than the time it would save. Maybe on my next project I will try it.

[signal citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VONKWFgZmXI if you need cables or anything procedural modelled it's handy

[north torrent]

I've split my project up into sections so that I won't keep hopping between different programs all the time.

In July, August, and September I will be a full time 3d modeler. I'll just be using Zbrush, Marvelous Designer, and Substance Painter. Making characters and props and homes.

Won't touch Unreal at all for those 3 months.

[zinc matrix]

good

no touching

[north torrent]

The input of Karols is not really necessary when it comes to matters of real game development,

[deep glen]

not sure that imput is really necessary when it comes to matters of karol development

[north torrent]

Karols are very skilled at multiplying across Discord accounts.

[zinc matrix]

whos karol though

[north torrent]

You, as well as 5 other accounts you have.

[zinc matrix]

thats my only acc and im not the person you take me for

[north torrent]

I already know your multiple accounts, so there is no reason to waste time pretending otherwise.

[zinc matrix]

which one

[north torrent]

This conversation is over.

[zinc matrix]

hello i hope im not interupting but i am a brand new baby game dev whoes gone from rpgmaker to unity to gms2 and now trying unreal and id like some advise, ive herd unreal has more then one way to code, is their a way thats easier for newcommers or is it better to jumpo head first into hard coding with c++, and are theyre any good tutorials on basic 3d movement ive tried searching for some but most ive found are just demenstations not actualy tutorials

[signal citrus]

read the pin in #ue4-general

[north torrent]

Thank you for interrupting.

[deep glen]

mao, that could come across as offensive towards GO

[zinc matrix]

@signal citrus thaknyou i always forget about pins

[signal citrus]

👍

[zinc matrix]

haha me too

i never read em

but thats because there are so many channels

[north torrent]

Are you coming to Unreal as an Artist or as a Programmer, Mr. Owl?

[zinc matrix]

all and none, i have basic art skills and a basic understanding of coding but im not confident enouph in my skills to work in teams so im a do it youself kinda gal, basicly ima all rounder

[north torrent]

If you want to make a project on your own, just remember that organization of your time is a very important aspect.

I wish I was taught that earlier in my game development days.

[zinc matrix]

alright thanks ill keep that in mind

[cerulean arrow]

breakdown of tasks / assets and learning to know when working on something too long is diminishing returns

that's what gets most ppl

even vets

[north torrent]

https://fitsmallbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/smart-goals-examples-tips-from-pros.png

[zinc matrix]

thanks it helped, my games finished now

all thanks to u

[north torrent]

You're welcome.

[zinc matrix]

i will never be able to thank u appropriately for that advice

[deep glen]

max is bullying my uv's
https://i.gyazo.com/58a477ec09113a8a6e3c297c38bb744a.gif

[north torrent]

That looks painful...

[cerulean arrow]

looks like an old pelter script

[north torrent]

Have you ever played Stardew Valley, Mr. Tech Artist?

[deep glen]

@cerulean arrow max is an old pelter script :p

[cerulean arrow]

yes.. I've played Stardew valley

why ?

[fathom wadi]

@deep glen thats trippy. I hate that UV editor though. Not saying its bad, I just hate it 😄

Been playing with Blender's recently and its basic but works. The new UDIM stuff is cool tho

[north torrent]

I want to make a game like Stardew Valley, but looks like Red Dead Redemption 2.

I'm not going to, because it is a crazy idea... But I would still like to...

But the only animals would be Ducks, Yaks, and fluffy Bumblebees.

[fathom wadi]

not that crazy. Everyone has free megascans now so with a few extra tools, you could probably do better than RDR if you didn't care about console performance

[north torrent]

Have you seen the scope of Stardew Valley, Mr. Rogerson?

[fathom wadi]

nope, but I think of scope in smaller scopes :p

[north torrent]

Not really. It is simple pixel art with no voice acting, so the scope of the game is rather huge.

But yes, I can and will make a small scene that is the quality of Red Dead Redemption 2. It is certainly something obtainable by anyone who is willing to put in the time.

Just on a small scale.

[fathom wadi]

all great ideas start small

[north torrent]

I'm more interested in making a small slice of a AAA game than making a large game with lower graphics.

Just my personal preference.

More like portfolio piece than a full blown game.

Have you ever owned a duck, Mr. Rogerson?

[fathom wadi]

best way to get money would be to have a quality vertical slice to show people. Then you can make the big game with help and teamwork

No but I have eaten a few

one of my favourite meats, if I had any

much prefer a potato though. You can do a lot with potatoes

[honest scroll]

@zinc matrix : What are you trying to make? :>

[fathom wadi]

can't get water on a potato's back tho

[honest scroll]

The nice thing about UE is that you almost don't have to code at all until you get pretty advanced.

[zinc matrix]

2.5d sidescroller (not platformer, side scroller) turn absed rpg

[honest scroll]

Blueprints and Material Graphs can do a lot of what used to require code in the bad old days

Arguably you could do a basic version of that in UE without writing a line of code 😄

[zinc matrix]

yeah if i can figure out how to place a character model XD

[fathom wadi]

you could combine the side scroller and turn based rpg packs but it would need some customising

[north torrent]

If you are just making a game as a hobby, then Blueprints is all you need.

[zinc matrix]

well im hoping to become a profesional but right now im still learning

[fathom wadi]

if you are making games as a hobby, quit and get a better hobby you nerd :p

[north torrent]

If you want to work in the game industry, at some point you will end up choosing if you are an artist, designer, or programmer.

[fathom wadi]

I'd rather have a sporting hobby so I wasn't sat in this damn chair every day, all day

[north torrent]

Well, Mr. Rogerson, my day job is chasing 9 year olds around a school. I want a quiet hobby that lets me sit down.

Not a great hobby if your day job is at a desk though.

[fathom wadi]

yeah my day job is this, my hobby is also this. So it was a self-deprecating statement tbh :p

[north torrent]

Are you a masochist?

[honest scroll]

I would start with the Side Scroller template, @zinc matrix

[fathom wadi]

no I am driven by fate to do this

[zinc matrix]

i cant find the sidescroller template :p

i found the jrpg one

[honest scroll]

Let me help

I mean, or whatever version you're using 😄

[zinc matrix]

oh that template, yeah ive got that one XD i thought their was one in the amrketplace

[honest scroll]

There are!

[deep glen]

learning tab

[honest scroll]

Should be some good templates in the marketplace

[fathom wadi]

well time to go do a bit of both of my hobbies. Being lazy and programming stuff, and also being lazy and watching other people do sports from my lazy chair. Coding + UFC = zen.

[north torrent]

Why not fight UFC while you watch other people code?

[deep glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnfoAf0eCgw

[neon iris]

The world is left with less hugs and piss covered shoes.

[signal citrus]

A reminder of who runs the show in the industry yeah

[north torrent]

Do you like ducks, Mr. Soulless Pat?

[neon iris]

How else would you mark your dominance

[deep glen]

I forgot how annoying unwrapping can be

[signal citrus]

Ducks can be cool. But yeah, good point. Kinda wish people would stop throwing the indie word around so much though.

What are you unwrapping luos?

[north torrent]

We should retire the word 'Indie' in 2020.

[signal citrus]

It'd be up to microsoft and the other big pushlishers that pulled out really

[deep glen]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/comments/948997/view.html some threads gets all the bots to the yard

[plucky pagoda]

That's impressive

My favorite part is the bot replying to a bot

[alpine fern]

are they really bots though?

[plucky pagoda]

It does look more like someone with a ton of accounts.

[deep glen]

check the dates

its not a casual reply to my prev post

[plucky pagoda]

or just bored and using scripts. None of the links would net any benefit

[deep glen]

oh well, banned most

[plucky pagoda]

yeah, Bots don't ussually create an account and not post anything for months though. but who knows. It's still funny

ah, I guess most of them were created and then posted immediately.

[deep glen]

perhaps first post was written in a way that it attracts bots :p

[neon iris]

Holy crap Luos

[signal citrus]

you get all the answers

it's weird not all of these accounts are suspended lol

[deep glen]

i removed about 6, then reported it to admin as my break was over

[neon iris]

~3am crunch?

[deep glen]

nah, just random modeling stuff

[neon iris]

The addiction break in that case? 😜

[deep glen]

midnight snack break

[neon iris]

Some might call that breakfast. Others, sneaky food heist.

[deep glen]

https://i.gyazo.com/f7249c1f54c20d148a93bc4851b8103d.png

some lotus water shrine thing

I wish max 2020 still had a working vine/ivy generator

might have to pesker hev or so for a few :p

[neon iris]

Or use Houdini

[deep glen]

dont have a license atm

[neon iris]

Hell, even blender has an ivy generator

[deep glen]

dont know blender, so by the time I have a proper one working, its easier to puppy-eye a buddy :p

[neon iris]

Literally a button and move the origin point around 😜

[deep glen]

dont make me puppy eye you :p

[neon iris]

It’s just a button!

[signal citrus]

luos we want to help you get off this max thing. its treating you badly

[deep glen]

once I'll move away from the testing phase and what not I will probably (and finally) move to blender

[signal citrus]

heh 👍

[north torrent]

Is 3ds Max now considered an abusive partner?

[zinc matrix]

yes

horrible but so good

[deep glen]

ive had 3dsmax induced Stockholm syndrome for the past 15-ish years.

[signal citrus]

they took softimage from me.

I could have been an artist.

[zinc matrix]

JINN > Softimage

[north torrent]

I'm making a list of all the products you could make from a duck, yak, bumblebee hive, and a field of wheat...

[zinc matrix]

whole lot of manure

[deep glen]

i'd add a herb garden to that list

[north torrent]

If you have an entire forest, is it easier to forage for herbs or grow them?

[signal citrus]

did you go through all that spice already?

[zinc matrix]

It's nice to have your own forest. I have part of family that is richer than me and they didn't knew what to do with some land they had, so they grow forest there and now they go collect mushrooms there.

[north torrent]

I am just making a small prototype.

Like a Harvest Moon / Stardew Valley type farming game. But since it is just a proof of concept kind of thing, I wanted to see what I could make with the smallest amount of variables.

[signal citrus]

random houdini question, can a packed primitive be packed offline?

[zinc matrix]

I have no idea without testing. I have database for my own stuff because I have so much shit that I don't remember, and you ask me this?

[signal citrus]

lol

🤷

[zinc matrix]

Just pack some geo, then merge it with some unpacked and pack this merged stuff. Then see what will happen once you unpack it.

Worked. Yes you can.

Thank you offline.

[signal citrus]

Thank you offline

packs are quite cool.

[north torrent]

I just Googled 'Yak Bacon'...

[tulip orbit]

seems like a normal thing to do 🤔

[north torrent]

I have found out that you can make a lot of things with just these 4 ingredients... Under videogame logic that is, in the real world you would need a few more items.

But more than enough for my little test.

[tulip orbit]

a stardew valley type game is something I've wanted to try making for a while

[north torrent]

My prototype will only have one Yak, some ducks, some wheat, and a beehive.

[tulip orbit]

not gonna turn it into a full game?

[north torrent]

Who knows. I'll worry about that if the prototype works out.

[tulip orbit]

fair enough

[north torrent]

If I was going to make it into a full game, it would be more story driven.

Right now it is just something I am going to try to add to my short little story game to give the player a few more things to do.

Make my 90 minute game have a few more hours of play time... maybe...

Just an idea I am playing around with.

More quality over quantity. I would rather take a small handful of crops and be able to present that at modern AAA quality graphics than to try to go super expansive with it.

[tulip orbit]

yah

[zinc matrix]

I need to stop coffee for a while

[north torrent]

Drink all the coffee.

[tulip orbit]

except mine

[north torrent]

Especially his.

[zinc matrix]

I drink so much of it, it stopped working

[tulip orbit]

I need my coffee to exist

[zinc matrix]

But without coffee i cant dev lol

[tulip orbit]

sounds like you have a drinking problem

better go get more coffee 🙂

[north torrent]

And a yak.

[sinful plume]

https://youtu.be/uvOP35c6lD4?t=244

[cold matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M91VPs47jZc

who else is workin late tonight?

[unborn lotus]

It's 8 AM

[signal citrus]

thats not late night

[stiff crystal]

live and learn... rainbows aren't actually arches

https://youtu.be/0ejbaiUkfaE

no wonder people can't find that treasure at the end of it!

[carmine frigate]

real life looks fake

thats a badly done rainbow 😛

[soft night]

yeah rainbows can be shown as full circle

[carmine frigate]

why is it so round

[soft night]

those guys are so high so it shows

[stiff crystal]

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1409/fullrainbow_leonhardt_960.jpg

https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/rainbows-are-circular.htm

[carmine frigate]

cicrular or spherical?

cant be circular right?

they aint spritesheets

right?

[zinc matrix]

What if rainbows were toxic

Rainbows are tears of Gods...

[north torrent]

Can rainbows catch the coronavirus?

[soft night]

https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1233463308726001664?s=20

Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports)

According to a new survey, 16% of Americans are unsure if the coronavirus is related to Corona beer. Don’t know about you but I’d rather have a 50% chance of getting this fucking virus than a 100% chance of being stupid.

Retweets

251

Likes

1561

Twitter

[carmine frigate]

bein super stupid is kinda hip, it gets super promoted

stupid or social awkward seems to be really funny or something

basically why i dont like the big bang theory

[fluid bloom]

wonderful, my character in black mesa is stuck in a crouching position and reloading from same doesn't help

[zinc matrix]

when i use a usb 3.0 hub and all slots have a usb inside them, and only one of them is editing huge files, will the 5 gbps work?

or does every slot automatically reserve a fixed amount of speed?

[fluid bloom]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/787506300208306557/24870AD4B285D8509EA932FED5AB89EB21030D47/ 🤔

[zinc matrix]

@fluid bloom ok

you should be able to open console and use commands to fly or not collide

[fluid bloom]

I started from an earlier save that didn't have stuck crouch

[zinc matrix]

is there something like velcro. where i can attach one thing to another thing. but it should be hard plastic or metal. like a rail or so
i dont like that if you attach something to velcro, it's wobbly. like i wanna attach 2 things, and dont want it to move 1 mm

[ancient hornet]

glue?

[plucky pagoda]

WTF, has anyone actually read the Unity TOS?

"Furthermore, if you are a Legal Entity, Unity or its authorized representatives may upon reasonable prior notice access and inspect your facilities and computer systems to review and verify your compliance with the Agreement. Any such inspection shall be conducted during regular business hours at your facilities or electronically via remote access"

[zinc matrix]

xD

[fringe sundial]

same thing on autodesk

do you know who doesnt have that sort of clause? Blender

blender has NO clause other than the GPL itself

[zinc matrix]

id like to be visited by unity at my home

why not 😮

i could kidnap one of them and ill make them one of mine

[plucky pagoda]

Wow. YEah. I'm really thinking about taking Unity to court. I've been using Unity since close to its beginning but this issue I'm having with them now might be enough to make me write them off as an option.

[bold fulcrum]

Unreal's agreement does not have that, does it? I mean audits for sure but rest.. ?

[plucky pagoda]

No, Epic's audit clause is reasonable and nothing beyond standard.

and it doesn't ask for access to computer systems.

[bold fulcrum]

This must have been relatively new, as I don't remember that clause from Unity 4xx

[fringe sundial]

they will just literally lawsuit you to death if you piss them off

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Knights

(to be fair, SK literally stole the source code)

[plucky pagoda]

Yeah. I know. I'm thinking of just downloading my thousands of assets to a back up and canceling my account.

[bold fulcrum]

On July 19, 2007, Silicon Knights sued Epic Games for failure to "provide a working game engine", causing the Ontario-based game developer to "experience considerable losses."[11] The suit alleged that Epic Games was "sabotaging" Unreal Engine 3 licensees. Epic's licensing document stated that a working version of the engine would be available within six months of the Xbox 360 developer kits being released. Silicon Knights claimed that Epic not only missed this deadline, but that when a working version of the engine was eventually released, the documentation was insufficient. The game studio also claimed Epic had withheld vital improvements to the game engine, claiming they were "game specific", while also using licensing fees to fund development of its own titles rather than the engine itself.[12]

I mean... yeah, could be deal of reasons beneath, but picture of warmongering lawyers on Epic's behalf pursuing poor indies does not fit in here 🙂

[plucky pagoda]

Yeah, I don't disagree with Epic's position in that case. At least on the surface from what I've read. I've seen it before but I don't know anything that's not on that wiki page.

I'm going to close the door. I don't want to do business with them after this. At this point the only thing I would maybe use Unity for is a 2D game and there are other options now including UE that would meet my needs.

For Mobile I wouldn't use Unity anyway.

[fringe sundial]

what did unity do to you?

[bold fulcrum]

Show me on this GameObject, where they touched you 🙂

[plucky pagoda]

It's stupid, but it's the principle. I signed up for what I thought was a trial to check out the changes to the learning stuff.

And now they want me to pay for a whole year and are refusing to let up. I mean I can afford to pay it, but I'm a stickler for principle.

[deep glen]

this person was spotted in Utrecht, the Netherlands
https://i.gyazo.com/7e2937f507b8a7336a8d12c29e04f718.jpg

[open wing]

Does anyone else use windows 10, the auto snapping is nice but you can't grab the middle bar to adjust within the same program?

[deep glen]

i disabled that right away

[open wing]

I kind of of like it myself but it seems to not allow the auto adjust with windows from the same programme

[plucky pagoda]

Ah, mines a little different than that. One of the Stardock mods must change it.

[open wing]

unless I'm missing something :>

[plucky pagoda]

I hate windows 10, the stardock mods make it a little more useable. Replaces the startmenu, taskbar, fences for the desktop

and some others.

[zinc matrix]

so guys I want to make a reporting bug application with filling email, choosing category of the bug and I want to d this when i click one button in the menu in my game-so what you can advice me?

[plucky pagoda]

I can give you the advice that you not ask the same question in multiple channels as it annoys people.

[zinc matrix]

you saw that Mathew told me to write it here? @plucky pagoda

...

I did this in google form but there is no option for put email to receive these applications

[plucky pagoda]

In your question above you didn't ask about google forms. I mean it's a google form, add what you want or ask on google forms support. I've not seen many people use google forms for this though. Most people either use a service or write their own. A few of the mods on here have recommended a service in the past if you use the search feature.

[zinc matrix]

okay thank you for the advice, can you tell me this service that they recommend it?

[zinc matrix]

you could write me that it is in the pinned messages-lol

[plucky pagoda]

....

[zinc matrix]

in this channel or in #ue4-general

I want to make report a bug application for my project not to post bug or problem in the forum for ue 4 @plucky pagoda

[quiet narwhal]

a google search says that forms does not email you, you need to review the forms online. you can turn on notifications if you want an email in the settings.

[zinc matrix]

so I need to turn on notifications to can put email where I will receive all the applications?

Karol?

??

I coudn't setup it, I added the notification tool and now I received this:

@quiet narwhal

[sage tendon]

Why not just make a own form web page that sends you it by mail

[plucky pagoda]

Why do so many game developers start their games with a huge tiresome unskipable exposition dump? If anything is suited to 'in medias res' it's a video game.

[stiff crystal]

obvious solution to that is to not have a budget to make intro sequence

AAA games are worst on that front

[plucky pagoda]

Indie games are showing a trend for it more and more. Almost like people think it's required.

[alpine fern]

it's even worse when they do that, but at the same time are too dumb to properly detect resolution / full screen the game, and you can't access settings while it runs

[stiff crystal]

ah, I really hate that

I feel stuff like that happens because game was designed to run on consoles

[plucky pagoda]

That's literally what just happened trying out a game a few minutes ago. Screen was black, then frozen image and about halfway through it refreshed and started playing

[stiff crystal]

nobody stopped to think about PCs

[alpine fern]

so I'm looking at this tiny stretched rectangle of a movie

[stiff crystal]

but there can be one even more annoying thing

[plucky pagoda]

^ games that drop you right into a fight that's already causing damage on first load instead of a menu

[stiff crystal]

imagine you played through some game that took you 15 hours and then when you get to final cinematic, game sets checkpoint and crashes, then on next run since it did that checkpoint to the permanent save, you can't even see what happened

this happened to me on second newest Tomb Raider

I had to watch the ending from youtube to know what happened there 😄

[plucky pagoda]

They're were a couple of NES or SNES games that did that. IIRC one even borked all your saves.

Yeah anything like that can kill a game or company. I was wrong it wasn't SNES it was sega

[north torrent]

There was no YouTube back in those days either...

[fathom wadi]

@stiff crystal I played through over 100 hours of Final Fantasy XV, got to the end boss and the game wouldn't advance. I never watched the end fight but I did go to youtube to check what was supposed to happen to progress. Had to uninstall it because it was 150gb or something :/

[north torrent]

Up until the last decade, it seemed like it was mandatory for every game to have one level that was just near impossible compared to the rest of the game.

Back in the SNES and original Playstation days it always seemed to be some stupid little trick you had to do, but the game didn't tell you or leave hints. There was no YouTube or developed online communities to figure out the answers either.

Created a lot of unfinished games that player liked outherwise.

[fathom wadi]

I recall an old friend of mine trying to lie to me, saying he completed FF7, 100%, without a guide. Anyone who has tried to 100% it or read a guide knows thats not feasibly possible

[azure chasm]

yeah there were so many secrets in ff7

[fathom wadi]

I saw him complete it with the end game weapons too and even just that was confusing enough to need a guide

[azure chasm]

i dislike how the earlier FF had airships and where basically open world

and the new ones are this fake open world

[fathom wadi]

15 felt open world in a way. In that you could go exploring. But there wasn't much there unless you went the story routes

[azure chasm]

to me tho, you give me an airship to travel the world, and then dont provide that in your next game

its a downgrade

i will only even play a ff if there is an airship again

so its remake for me lol

[fathom wadi]

yeah I went from FFX to FF13 and was like "wait... they stripped all the gameplay out for quick time cutscenes?"

[azure chasm]

Lol

[fathom wadi]

2 hours of the start of that game is just pressing one button

[fringe sundial]

FF15 sucked

even worse than 13

at least 13 tried

15 is just a last minute "oh shit we gotta ship" and it really shows, with everything cool happening ofscreen

[zinc matrix]

Last one I enjoyed was FF8. And it's also last one I finished. Tried never ones but didn't liked any.

[fathom wadi]

15 was what I expect from a final fantasy game. It starts with hype, then ends up with me thinking "this is a strange story but I dont care" and ends up with either burn-out or the game breaks 😄

[tulip orbit]

I really only played 10 and 12, but I loved them both

[fathom wadi]

10 was epic. It was the first one I truly loved as a game

7 I only played for the street cred really

[tulip orbit]

I fell asleep trying to play 13

[fathom wadi]

me too

I was super hyped for that game too. I would have finished it if the gameplay hadn't been so simplified in the early game. I know it got more complex but I was burned out by then

[fringe sundial]

so Italy coronavirus deaths have basically doubled, at 360 now. Cases have also increased massively to 7400, plus that whole cuarantine business

(in the last 24 hours)

[tulip orbit]

that sucks

not as much as FF13, but still

😉

[zinc matrix]

mates

[fathom wadi]

its insane really. 16 million people quarantined

[zinc matrix]

i found meme company in google how to check if theyre copyrighted. i need their name

i mean theyre pretty much not a legit copmany but how to check if they have taken the rights to that name

[fathom wadi]

Why is it we can quarantine 16million people because of a flu that kills 2-3%, but we can't quarantine the 1% global elite who ensure millions die each year to keep them on the throne?

[fringe sundial]

@fathom wadi the combat in 13 did get pretty sweet past the halfway point

[fathom wadi]

yeah it was picking up as I quit the game. I might go back someday and grind it out

[fringe sundial]

when you start having to juggle the modes and actually select spells

but yeah it takes forever

[north torrent]

I am not a big fan of every game ever trying to have an open world.

It is great in some, but certainly not the answer for all games.

[fathom wadi]

yeah Devil May Cry V was one of the best games in recent times and it never had open world

but it could have easily

[signal citrus]

manditory mention of zelda breath of the wild

[zinc matrix]

open world best

[north torrent]

I liked how Final Fantasy X was like a long road with pit stops along the way. Walking from one end of that world to the other feels more like an acomplishment to me than walking across an Assassin's Creed map.

[fathom wadi]

man that game got boring after 20 or so shrines

[signal citrus]

is shrines what you went after?