You're not going to get anywhere trying to argue about it
#lounge
stiff crystal
^
foggy path
(And a better description for your game will get more sales)
stiff crystal
yeah I honestly dont get it, it should be win win
static cosmos
Early access answers are collapsed on the store page anyway. Does anyone ever read them?
foggy path
I usually read them when browsing
stiff crystal
it's important that customers know about your vision of the game
static cosmos
I've bought tons of early access games, but I don't think I've ever read them unless an issue has come up with the game later. Sometimes users will say a dev promised a certain feature or something and I then I go read it.
stiff crystal
in general, you shouldn't really promise anything you can't keep
static cosmos
as a user and customer, I didn't find that section to be particularly important or useful, so I tried to give an answer in line with their guidelines about what kind of answers to give.
stiff crystal
and even valve's FAQ says: 2. Do not make specific promises about future events. For example, there is no way you can know exactly when the game will be finished, that the game will be finished, or that planned future additions will definitely happen. Do not ask your customers to bet on the future of your game. Customers should be buying your game based on its current state, not on promises of a future that may or may not be realized.
so not sure what that timeline thing was about
all in all, it feels there's more effort on fighting the right to put subpar description here than actually fixing the description to be good :p
static cosmos
The rejection is ```We understand that game development can result in uncertain release dates, so we don't want anything too definitive here. However, we ask that you use your best judgment to make an approximate estimate for when the game might come out of Early Access. Something like "Roughly x weeks/months", or "Roughly by DATE" will work.
huh
static cosmos
Exactly.
stiff crystal
nobody has that level estimates
static cosmos
Mixed messages. That's my point.
stiff crystal
like, you can estimate roughly the year it's going to be out but even that people get crap for ๐
foggy path
It would probably be easiest to just email them back asking for clarification
Include the instructions and point out where they conflict
stiff crystal
this could also come from the actual store page descriptions
if the whole page is super vague and generic, they may get more strict on these things
like, not talking just about EA description
static cosmos
No they specifically address the early access answers and nothing else.
Your store page has failed our review because your Early Access answers do not fully explain what a customer can expect from your app. In particular, please expand on the answers to the following questions:```so what were the questions?
static cosmos
The ones I've brought up.
stiff crystal
timeline, what else?
static cosmos
timeline, why
stiff crystal
also didn't really see the questions
static cosmos
The questions are on every early access game on steam
they're all the same
This answer should give details about your goals. Make sure you are ready for the commitment of continuing to work on your product, receive feedback, and see your project through to completion.
- "Approximately how long will this game be in Early Access?"
We understand that game development can result in uncertain release dates, so we don't want anything too definitive here. However, we ask that you use your best judgment to make an approximate estimate for when the game might come out of Early Access. Something like "Roughly x weeks/months", or "Roughly by DATE" will work.```Your Early Access answer to "How are you planning on involving the Community in your development process?" is a good start, but you might want to inform users where to contact you in order to provide feedback. This can be either a forum, a website, the Steam Discussion board, etc. However, leaving this unchanged will not prevent you from releasing your app.```that last one the answer literally says 'on the discussion forum'
Community suggestions will be heard on the discussion forum regarding balance and features. Final decisions on all will be made by the developer.
I guess I could add the word "steam" in front of discussion forum, but that should be fairly obvious.
stiff crystal
ah, yes
you should put your realistic estimate there
but don't put anything too specific
static cosmos
I already added a vague timeline to that.
stiff crystal
I'm guessing they just feel your answers were too generic and brief
it's hard to tell without actually knowing all things written there tho
static cosmos
That's the extent of it, and I quoted my answer. It might be generic, but like I said, not more so than several others I found. And yes, I did lack a vague timeline for the timeline question, but overall those are trivial things to reject the entire page on. I'll fix them up, it's just frustrating, because it means more delays.
I'm already waiting for 4 days for them to get back to me about the broken back end. All of their links to add social media are broken and developers can't currently add things like facebook pages, youtube links or anything else. They asked me for screenshots 4 days ago which I immediately sent them, but no update on that.
They require you to link everything through APIs. You can't just put links on the profile. The facebook API reports success on Facebook's side, but then when it comes back to steam throws up an error and never links it. Google just flat out says that steam is blocked when you try to connect that.
dusky shuttle
cursive crypt
Familiar face ๐ค
pearl elk
RIP Holden ๐ฆ
stiff crystal
well, at least you can still get easily spares as same models still exist on other countries
pearl elk
yeah spares arnt really an issue, can even get newer GM motors to put in the older ones but its not the same as having an auto-manufacturing industry
stiff crystal
didn't they move manufacturing away few years ago already?
pretty sure todays news were part of that earlier plan
pearl elk
They were still going to do some things for GM like convert the Corvettes but GM are pulling out of left-hand drive all together
oh I mean right hand drive, left side of the road
pearl elk
GM has pulled out worldwide so nope, no UK, no South Africa, Hong Kong or Thailand
stiff crystal
ah
I guess you guys have to just follow the times and do what rest of the world does :p
pearl elk
you'll still be able to import em and get em converted, or if youre lucky get a license for a left-hand drive vehicle
I honestly dont think swapping to the other side of the road will save GM from their fate
apparently they have to compete with 70 other car brands
stiff crystal
pretty sure we've been able to import "wrong" side vehicles here always
I dunno if it would be different if it were done by other than individuals tho
pearl elk
you can but you need an exception to drive them here, they can force you to pay for a conversion
stiff crystal
ah, that sucks
pearl elk
Ive seen old Camaros with no conversion, few Cadillacs and stuff
stiff crystal
doesn't Japan has also left side traffic?
stiff crystal
at least I've seen a lot of supras and skylines with wheel on the right side
those all are imports
pearl elk
Not sure why Antarctica is Red, obvious bias there
I think the EU should join us so we can defeat the US ๐
say after me, metric and right-hand drive
stiff crystal
at least can agree on the metric system :p
pearl elk
I think part of it our rules here are super strict for cars and doesnt line up with the US, they are super lax there when it comes to laws for automobiles
Air ride isnt even legal here
but for right handed people like me right hand drive makes perfect sense since the right hand in on the wheel
and your right eye is in the middle of the road. I knew quite a few US peoples who were left handed I wonder if that has anything to do with it
fluid bloom
air ride?
pearl elk
Air suspension powered by an air compressor
fluid bloom
where is that illegal? ๐ค
pearl elk
Air ride can sink if something happens making the car dangerous
fluid bloom
sure
pearl elk
coil overs are generally better
fluid bloom
better just use leaf springs, extra hardy compared to coil springs
pearl elk
bleh leafs, 4 link
I wouldnt mind air on coil overs
its like a shorter air ride ontop of shorter coil overs, gives bit of both
fluid bloom
pearl elk
bwahahaha omg
fluid bloom
the wiki is a disgrace tbh
pearl elk
I think it would be better for a wiki to be community run
fluid bloom
who pays for it
pearl elk
I will if I have to but I thought Epic were going to put the wiki in the communities hands similar to moderators on the forums
not being able to make actual code for the wiki will make it forever shite
fluid bloom
yeah
I mean, aren't there dozens of different wiki server applications and/or service providers that Epic could use?
pearl elk
see for eg the bottom of this page, you need special access to make those template thingos
look down the bottom of this one
Thats what I want to copy but I cant
zinc matrix
omg i seriously got oreo for the normal grocery price on amazon!
i thought they'd arrive crashed, but they seem to be in a perfect condition to be eaten
usually food on amazon is more expensive than in groceries
pearl elk
oreolly
pearl elk
so now they are made entirely of sugar and nothing else
hazy delta
just wait until they realise and go on a 10% price hike for being vegan
hearty scarab
Not sure if that's the right place to ask but... how do I post a job offer here? The posts at the channel are done by a bot but how do I make it post?
pearl elk
they better be halal
hazy delta
@hearty scarab check the pinned messages in the channel
hearty scarab
@#$, I'm so stupid - was looking for it and didn't find it. I see it now - thanks!
foggy path
tfw you don't bother testing your email campaigns before sending them out
hazy delta
well they got my name right
foggy path
lol
ancient hornet
should we call you little bobby tables?
foggy path
hazy delta
I heard the guy likes to drop things
pearl elk
Im most definitely lead
median wraith
Play of The Game
fluid bloom
has anyone heard of this? https://www.inklestudios.com/ink/
zinc matrix
@pearl elk original oreos were always vegan
and do you think dairy is not sugar? lactose. it's sugar. even worse than normal sugar
@hazy delta you should know that vegan food is cheaper than other food.
pearl elk
High-fructose corn syrup is mostly GMO hehe
zinc matrix
everything is gen modified
pearl elk
and if its not RSPCA palm oil then many rangas died for our sins
zinc matrix
monsanto doesnt do gen modifiying
pearl elk
it does so it modifies the seeds so your crops wont seed so you have to buy seeds from them and only them
zinc matrix
and if yes, then others do it, if not monsanto
in short: everything is gen modified.
even your special australian stuff.
pearl elk
it isnt because we've only had gmos a few years now
zinc matrix
the s eeds you buy are alerady modified.
pearl elk
whatevers
zinc matrix
lets go back to dairy is worse than normal sugar.
pearl elk
go eat your orangutan blood
zinc matrix
you want to see the proof?
pearl elk
and I butchered that
cursive crypt
read the chat while munching chocolate biscuits
zinc matrix
me at least is not killing animals for fun.
i reduce it. as much as possible.
you, do nothing.
understand this.
cursive crypt
Good idea! Goes for milk from the refrigerator
hazy delta
@zinc matrix where's that? If you buy any brand food that's labeled as vegan here you'll pay for the privilege
zinc matrix
@hazy delta non vegan oreo isnt cheaper
ancient hornet
I'm reading on the topic and it seems Oreos are/where made with lard ๐
fluid bloom
ancient hornet
that's as non vegan as it gets ๐
fluid bloom
Epic keeps it locked because they couldn't find moderators for it and spam, scams, etc were too wide spread.
They asked us (the subreddit mods) if we would be up for it but that's a bit too much for us ourselves to take care off.
If you can establish a solid group of motivated people I'm happy to join, talk to the people at epic and help start it up.
They have the top 1000 pages export ready and are happy to support any efforts in that direction!
and a reply
They should fucking hire people, they're drowning in cash.
agreed ๐
pearl elk
do you know how much money you can make selling sheep shit as a celebrity diet?
ancient hornet
hiring people is expensive/it's work
pearl elk
wtf I woulda gladly helped moderate it if Epic had bothered to ask
soft night
MonsDiet the most selling item in MonsOlympus
pearl elk
It'll help you become a ripped super muscly MonsOlympian like me
flexes
Healthcare company repossesses veteran's prosthetic legs
USA, USA, USA ๐
soft night
Cyborg leg become new thing so bionic
ancient hornet
so I guess someone will get a used prosthetic leg ๐
pearl elk
I mean I heard of being legless but this...
least the cops didnt take em cuz he was speeding
mossy nexus
What will vegans do when we discover plants are sentient creatures?
mossy nexus
eat rocks?
soft night
pearl elk
what happened to your puppers?
soft night
got 2 sebums what wasnt healing so those had to surgery removed
pearl elk
ahh okay so nothin too serious then
https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/f44t48/how_to_make_a_c_battle_royale_game_mode_in_30/
oh I see what Ive been doing wrong all this time, I shoulda been doing this tutorial
zinc matrix
@mossy nexus wed still eat plants. goota eat something
im sure if plants would be sentient, they would give a sign
fluid bloom
some plants grow towards the sound of running water ๐ค
pearl elk
some grow better when you play classic music to them
fluid bloom
sounds like humbug
deep glen
god I love youtube videos where people talk trough their nose in a nasal monotome non-emotion way
zinc matrix
giving a fluid out doesnt mean its a sign to stop
pearl elk
signal citrus
zinc matrix
@fluid bloom who
signal citrus
That door looks not so sturdy
pearl elk
its a wrestling prop
reminds me of that unbreakable door from the other day, 18 mins the cops were banging away on it lol
signal citrus
We have Bill Murray though
soft night
I heard spain is good
pearl elk
only cuz Hevedy is there hehe
soft night
not because Alex was there?
pearl elk
where is Alex these days, still at Epic?
zinc matrix
@mossy nexus do you want to debate with vegans about "What will vegans do when we discover plants are sentient creatures?"?
signal citrus
there must be some sort of chemical one can eat like water or dirt
mystic laurel
@mossy nexus do you want to debate with vegans about "What will vegans do when we discover plants are sentient creatures?"?
@zinc matrix Negate this fact, I bet. If something opposes your point of view, just negate it and call the true teller a liar. Then reapeat it one thousand times. This is how you always get right.
But this only works if you're left. Usually alone.
mystic laurel
Negating is Stating it's false.
zinc matrix
so what do you mean?
ancient hornet
invert rather than negate
mystic laurel
If someone tells plants are sentient creatures, tell they are not.
zinc matrix
thats not how debating works
mystic laurel
yeah, invert can be better word, thanks Stof.
But it's how media works nowadays, unfortunatelly.
zinc matrix
this is not media.
mystic laurel
Social media, indeed. User made.
pure marlin
too many what if`s
zinc matrix
ok then. currently only people where who are afraid of plant eaters. :3
will note
writes something down on a peace of paper, because it's so nostalgic.
how do i get out of this mode
cursive crypt
Search for camera possession in Blender. If that's the question. I don't remember.
dusky shuttle
Looks like flight mode, but i believe they got rid of that long ago, i might be mistaken
neon iris
Just switch view mode
dark wing
Guys what does the phrase "Medieval Tides" say to you? Does it make sense logically? I'm working on medieval open world survival game
fathom wadi
it says "armies of knights pushing forward"
fluid bloom
nothing that makes sense
except that if it's a tide that only happened in the middle ages ๐
fathom wadi
that's what she said
median wraith
lol
dark wing
any suggestion for such a game?
fathom wadi
100 Bastards
fathom wadi
Anyone know when the Send to Unreal blender plugin is gonna get a public release, even if it its in alpha state? Kinda can't wait tbh.
fathom wadi
@signal citrus Thanks. Also, that's not good enough. Give it now with reporting tools! Need it ยฌ_ยฌ
also.. this should get more attention. https://github.com/eliemichel/OpenMeshEffect
outer belfry
paidcommisions.png
fathom wadi
I like how you scrubbed his name out and left it in the message box anyway. ๐
wet horizon
those people should be timed out or banned just wasting people's time
sage ermine
Someone asked me last night if I'd have time to help them with their project...
Me: I'm full up at the moment
Them: when do you think you'll be free?
Me: I'm pretty sure they'll bury me with a mouse in my hand
Them: Darn
Fun fact: If you say "rise up lights" you just said razor blades in australian
sage ermine
aw, that looks nice ๐
pearl elk
sage ermine
north torrent
RTX 2077ti
median wraith
moarning
lost bison
โ
ancient ingot
morning you ugly bastards
fluid bloom
wat
carmine frigate
haHAHA
ancient hornet
useful
carmine frigate
i like my forloops, they are verry recognizable and thats where the work starts
zinc matrix
Hehe yesterday I was creating my game for exactly 18 hours with small breaks for food and toilet
ancient ingot
๐
median wraith
why the people write negative reviews cause there is no one to play
zinc matrix
well its also your fault
pearl elk
shouldnt that function input say targets and have a wildcard then rather than being a single blue dot
carmine frigate
unless the interactive ref gets changed it all doesnt matter ๐
it sets 1 parameter
carmine frigate
the need for an account to use ur mouse software is a big nono for me ๐
cursive crypt
Most of that gamin' software is garbage anyway.
Just fireworks. Of course, there are quite useful for the features it supports. But haven't seen one which is not buggy as hell.
e.g. iCue from Corsair is non-stop sucking like quarter of a core. And that just by being in the background, no GUI.
Then there was one from a motherboard manifacture (asus?) which was creating dummy window on your taskbar. If you close the empty window so and the service stops.
Not to mention the hardware. Which is just dust in the eyes, haven't seen so much crashes and cables teared, mouses unclickin, headphones breaking and etc.
lol, quite a rant. But basically gamin' brands are trash from what I have seen.
deep glen
I had two razers before my current one, and they only lasted about a year each
ancient ingot
errrrrrrrrrk
median wraith
@ancient ingot so what project are you working on ?
ancient ingot
yup that ^^
pearl elk
Im not sure Nintendo would hire someone ripping off their IP ๐
or maybe... they already do work there
pearl elk
good advert for your design company, doing no design ๐ฎ
signal citrus
so 32gb dimms
these work
wasn't sure about them but got 8 of them overclocked to 3600 stable
windows booted, doing nothing but discord takes up 8gb
not sure what memory compoisition or compressed memory indicates
houdini
was hesitant to go 32gb dimms because of all the horror stories but at least on trx40 it seems legit
kit was clocked for 3200
median wraith
the hell
cursive crypt
Its the MB which is important, most are bound to 64 at most.
soft night
so things coming near you https://twitter.com/EmperionUK/status/1229390321504653313?s=20
zinc matrix
Windows on a phone? Windows ARM version that is on SurfaceX?
foggy path
Windows Mobile all over again ๐ค
soft night
actually latest windows 10 mobile os was having windows 10 on arm for phones
foggy path
I mean this one lol
soft night
by the way new microsoft emulator have some windows phone bits in it emulator
zinc matrix
north torrent
Looks like this is permenently free now.
I haven't tried the Version 4 yet though.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/advanced-locomotion-system-v1
fluid bloom
any norwegians here?
if yes: what the fuck is up with Therese Johaug? I'm watching ร re ski world cup and these people are skiing (like, cross country skiing) uphill a ski slope
at the bottom of the slope Johaug is last, few ten seconds later she is up at the top of the slope and wins
soft night
she improved her weaknesses and make other norwegians look like b-team
ancient ingot
where can i plug in my cavity map in the material editor ?
median wraith
why you need the cavity map ?
ancient ingot
cement wall
median wraith
where you even plug that ?
ancient ingot
fk knows
bold fulcrum
I am more worried about skiing uphill. It usually works the other way around.
cursive crypt
Its maybe not the man skiing up, but the mountain is sliding down ๐ค
zinc matrix
thats some futurama style method ๐
zinc matrix
I don't want to do anything today.
soft night
why?
I found thing what i havent check awhile what is my twitter followers count what is over 1,1k
zinc matrix
Yesterday updated ton of code. Updated database documentation. Still have 2 other things to do.
I should do some GIFs with post to explain people WTF I just added, but can't force myself.
soft night
some automation needed
zinc matrix
I have. Documentation is handled by bot. But it will not make GIFs for me. And will not write post with examples for me.
soft night
zinc matrix
Use Powershell everywhere.
foggy path
Powershell is weird :X
the pseudo "this is C# shell" is so bizarre lol
I've only really seen people who work on ASP.NET apps or something use it :D
dusky shuttle
My only issue with powershell is it takes a long time to start up
zinc matrix
Replaced with it all .bat and .sh scripts. One script to rule them all.
@dusky shuttle long? launching this new terminal takes like half a second.
dusky shuttle
Yes launching takes more time than it should
zinc matrix
can you set size of it somehow?
cursive crypt
That's still looks bare bones. There are already few terminals of quite good level for Windows.
soft night
hey try ctrl and mouse scroll
dark wing
If you heard a game named "Iron Age" what would you think the game is about? Without knowing the context
foggy path
Medieval fantasy rpg
dusky shuttle
An RTS where you have to transition a civilization from the stone age to the iron age
zinc matrix
Janisku7 uninstalling helped too ๐
soft night
the terminal have scroll zoom for text
also you can set background image to windows terminal
you can customize it a lot
zinc matrix
I wanted to set default window size, I couldn't find it.
It also has this annoying white frame around
rich quiver
zinc matrix
You mean 20+ years waiting.
spare glade
Is Steam down for anyone else?
Or at least, being intermittent?
Or at least, being intermitent?
stiff crystal
discord is going bonkers at least
foggy path
AWS being DDOS'd or something?
stiff crystal
ha ha
zinc matrix
hey guys would you modify perfect game name just cuz twitter handle is taken by some random inactive acc?
north torrent
Twitter is the devil.
agile egret
@jovial talon Did you ever figure this out? xD
@bold fulcrum I've been going back and reading some stuff. I was an idiot.. and still am xD
zinc matrix
@nimble vigil LLC ?
@nimble vigil im not from the us
the account had last tweet in 2015 and has 30 followers and 30 following
zinc matrix
i would contact them and ask them to change their twitter name for money
but they dont log in anymore
placid thistle
Does anyone know what's the difference between this https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/blockout-tools-plugin and SuperGrid ?
stiff crystal
registered trademark is $$$ and long process
also would probably expire before the game is out if taken now 
in general, you'd just found the normal company on your own country
stiff crystal
@bitter cloud they are actually going through bigger setup changes on ml agents now, so info you find may not be all accurate. it's basically because they are finally moving ml agents into package
in past it used to be an experimental project on github
but now it's finally moving to more official side
bitter cloud
@stiff crystal oh, as in a package on the unity store?
stiff crystal
in Unity's package manager
that's like best thing happened to unity in years
basically it's very similar as the UE4's plugins but you can actually update the packages live within the engine version
so you don't have to wait for new engine version to ship with new versions
bitter cloud
dont suppose it happens to let packages depend on other packages?
stiff crystal
it does
every package can have it's own list of dependencies and min package versions
bitter cloud
oh, nice! That's something I've often wished for in UE marketplace (though, it could also be annoying if dependency not vital)
stiff crystal
of course there are cases where these things conflict if you mix and match new and old things that depend on different versions of some packages
bitter cloud
Dependcy hell: Game engine edition ๐
stiff crystal
yeah, it can bring a lot of pain, especially to new users
but I really love not having to depend on the engine releases to get updates to individual features
basically every new Unity feature is now delivered through this, including their renderers, DOTS, input, etc
that ml agents package will drop here soon as well
basically you just browse the all packages list and hit install and it fetches the package and applies it to your project
bitter cloud
Hmm, I will take a break from beating my head againt libtorch and inconistend dll errors and actually try out ml-agents then
stiff crystal
if you need help with that, official unity discord has dedicated channel for it
bitter cloud
Main place I've seen it used is by someone called sohojoe driving "ragdoll" characters to walk (or backflip) - which is my prime area of interest
stiff crystal
their devs are pretty active there as well
bitter cloud
Shame full source is not shared (for unity)
bronze axle
Gotta admit, it would be pretty cool if Unreal had a package manager.
bronze axle
Imagine if you could install/update plugins as easily as an NPM module.
bitter cloud
Unreal could use same format ๐
bronze axle
Unreal Package Manager. ๐
stiff crystal
they even let you add git repo url and fetch directly there too
bitter cloud
same for pip (pyhon package manger)
stiff crystal
I have few repos that use this workflow
ah, yes
you need to use that pip when you setup that ml-agents btw
unless you've already done that
bronze axle
Dreaming of the readme for my Nano template saying upm install nano.
Agh, OK. I guess I'm done deving for the night. Time to make dinner and I've got the dreaded Unknown Cook Error. ๐ฆ
pearl elk
I thought Unreal does have Modules
bronze axle
It does. It just doesn't have a fancy NPM-like registry to manage them.
bitter cloud
Nope, think I've installed unity and cloned ML agents, but not done any setup. Plenty familar with pip though, and c# not often as problematic as C++ (or perhaps I've just not used it enough)
stiff crystal
that Unity's package manager is just fancy GUI for all that of course, the actual packages can be listed on their json file directly too
pearl elk
Theres probably a registry in that stupid Launcher somewhere
stiff crystal
it's like json { "dependencies": { "com.unity.platforms": "0.2.1-preview.2", "com.unity.burst": "1.3.0-preview.3", "com.unity.collections": "0.5.2-preview.8", "com.unity.dots.editor": "0.3.0-preview", "com.unity.entities": "0.6.0-preview.24", "com.unity.ide.visualstudio": "2.0.0", "com.unity.physics": "0.2.5-preview.1", "com.unity.scriptablebuildpipeline": "1.6.4-preview", "com.unity.serialization": "0.6.4-preview", "com.unity.test-framework.performance": "2.0.7-preview", "com.unity.ugui": "1.0.0",
yeah, the main limitation on ue4 is that you can't just update the things live
you have to actually grab never engine version to get new modules
unless it's a 3rd party thing
bronze axle
Ah.
bitter cloud
so - it's modular, just the modules are all glued together ๐
bronze axle
Man, it's going to be a long week for my game. And here I thought I could upgrade to 4.24 in one night. ๐
stiff crystal
in unity, they basically treat internal engine feats from the old engine core as modules which you can toggle on and off but can't update
most new stuffs use these packages
bitter cloud
sounds fairly sensible
also meaning to have a closer look at godot sometime
@bronze axle what are you working on?
stiff crystal
wonder if godot will get any boost on 3D side with the megagrant
they sounded like they wanted to use it to improve godotscript which just sounds madness to me
bitter cloud
oh - on that, why did Epic give godot a grant? I didn't catch the reasoning
stiff crystal
yes, they gave godot like 125k(?)
pearl elk
Because Godot is Unitys bigger competitor ๐
UE4 is just like bleh kiddos dukin it out
stiff crystal
and internet went crazy
bronze axle
@bitter cloud Trying to upgrade my game to 4.24 like a madman. ๐
stiff crystal
I actually think godot getting better can benefit Unity as well
bronze axle
Ionia, a first person puzzle game with a parallel dimension.
stiff crystal
but to get back to the godotscript... imagine if UE4 still had unrealscript... or Unity had boo or unityscript
godot already supports c# and most popular languages through their API
but they still want to focus on some made up language for that engine alone
bronze axle
I think next-gen Blueprint in UE5 is likely to have a text-based component.
bitter cloud
I've also been tempted to try and write performant portals for godot - been having a tough time getting to grips with UE4 pipeline enough to do what I want
stiff crystal
it's like one of the main things that used to keep me from even trying Godot before Godot 3
bitter cloud
@bronze axle ionia looks cool! (assuming it is the steam project I found)
I quite liked boo when I tried out Unity several years ago
stiff crystal
now that you can use c# and c++ there easeir, at least you don't have to go with their own thing
bronze axle
Thanks! And yeah, that's probably us. We're the only one I know of.
bitter cloud
c# docs all applied to boo too
stiff crystal
godotscript is a lot like boo, it's python like thing
I personally can't stand python syntax
bitter cloud
main thing I really dislike about python is runtime performance
pearl elk
Im guessing an UE5 will simply be an UE4 that Epic decides finally deserves the new number
stiff crystal
I need my curly braces
bitter cloud
(and non-static types)
don't care about curly braces too much, lean towards not having them, but the rest of python syntax is generally great
stiff crystal
Epic could just ditch the big number like rest of the software industry
pearl elk
Maybe once Chaos, Niagara, etc is all done then there arnt many of the UE3 systems left
bronze axle
@pearl elk I think it's likely to happen soon personally. Next gen consoles on the horizon and they've already been rewriting a lot, bringing functionality in-house.
stiff crystal
you really think they are rewriting the engine for them?
bitter cloud
We do already have "Magic Node" for text based BP node ๐
bronze axle
Seems like a good time to increment the number.
pearl elk
Its really not a big number though, its superscript on the U
bronze axle
@bitter cloud And don't forget: Epic acquired the SkookumScript team a while back. ๐
stiff crystal
didn't they like, add python editor scripting?
bronze axle
They made their own scripting language that could be debugged at runtime.
bitter cloud
SkookumScript aquisition is news to me
stiff crystal
that happened quite a while ago already
bronze axle
I saw a live demo at one of my meetups from a guy that worked with them on it.
Yeah, this was probably 2-3 years ago.
stiff crystal
there's no news on Epic even using that skookumscript itself for anything
stiff crystal
it felt like they just wanted to get their knowledge
and use it to improve other things
bronze axle
"...where we are working on exciting new projects with the Unreal Engine team."
๐
bitter cloud
Hard to replace C++ though - tends to have the best performance, and can link to external libs (not that I can get libtorch linking...)
bronze axle
Editor scripting is so awesome.
stiff crystal
get better pipelines
bronze axle
I love editor utility widgets.
stiff crystal
yeah, I can't believe it took them that long
I've ranted they should do that for years
bitter cloud
Kinda annoyed python is supported in editor, but not runtime (and not pypy)
fathom wadi
Can't believe I missed this. I mean, it makes sense but I was scared for a moment.
stiff crystal
ever since I tried custom editor tool programming in some early UE4 version
bronze axle
OK wow, yeah. No more game dev for me tonight. Upgraded a project from 4.22 to 4.24, tried packaging, unknown cook error followed by some weird "unknown featurelevel2" error with the RHIDefinitions.h file. 
fathom wadi
shader error I guess
bronze axle
Maybe. Just wish I had a lead to work with.
fathom wadi
older shaders models are being removed
stiff crystal
that's somewhere in the rendering things
bitter cloud
"unknown" cook error?
pearl elk
wooo community platform support, fun fun
stiff crystal
is that like other way in saying they just dropped the support for it?
fathom wadi
yeah
bronze axle
I think I'm gonna write a blog post prediction for this year's State of Unreal. That'd be fun. ^_^
fathom wadi
as long as its getting at least one person holding community court on it, Im ok with that
bitter cloud
Hope linux support is not next in the firing line ๐
pearl elk
Enum of Unreal
bitter cloud
got you covered there ๐
fathom wadi
I'd like to see more modules get community love tbh.
the subsystem changes might help
stiff crystal
if Epic didn't have all that fortnite money, I'd be super sceptical on seeing any major rewrite of unreal... but since they basically got unlimited funding right now, they could just as well redo it again
if they do, I do hope they pay more attention to the dependencies this time around
fathom wadi
imagine if they re-did it and used the Unity Interface to get more of those people to come over? :d
pearl elk
they need to give themselves a megagrant ๐
stiff crystal
ue 4.24 compilation times are really nuts nowadays
bronze axle
Alright folks, off to make dinner. I'm already running late. ๐
stiff crystal
(talking about engine building of course)
fathom wadi
if I ever get a Megagrant, I'm gonna use it to buy a house in Raleigh, NC, just down the road from Epic. So I can stand outside waving creepily every day.
bitter cloud
I'd be kinda OK with slower compilation, if it was easier for plugins to access engine internals without needing API defs
stiff crystal
with my old i5, I'd be looking at like 3h compilation now probably
north torrent
Epic Games Shanghai is hiring a 'Character Artist' right now.
fathom wadi
I'd be ok with more documentation of helper files for plugin dev. Im sick of finding my way through some rabbit hole of code to get access to some event, only to find its got a hook in a helper file and I just wasted hours to rewrite code that was already there.
stiff crystal
that's like ue4 c++ in the nutshell
bitter cloud
even with my newish i5 it's still an hour or two for initial compilation, may well do a serious upgrade when geforce 30xx comes out
fathom wadi
yeah its a journey ๐
agile egret
If I ever get a mega grant, I'm buying out a studio and spend the rest of the money trashing their games
stiff crystal
ue4's c++ coding wouldn't be anywhere as difficult to start for people if their api docs were actually filled with meaningful content
pearl elk
cmon Wuhan
fathom wadi
I just made my first full character in Blender. https://giphy.com/gifs/bender-Y0nTS6Fgix7XVYW9YK
north torrent
Epic doesn't have a studio in Wuhan, only Shanghai.
stiff crystal
remember that those megagrants start from 5k, you can't get all that much with that ๐
pearl elk
If I ever get a megagrant Im going to buy us an actual lounge
bitter cloud
ue4 coding would also be better if MSVS was better...
north torrent
I can buy a skateboard for 5k.
agile egret
I bet you I could buy "a studio" for 5k
signal citrus
Blender bender
pearl elk
I could spend 5k on lootcrates
stiff crystal
I do wonder if Epic has tried to acquire whole tomato
fathom wadi
@bitter cloud Could be worse. Imagine if they didn't give you the build tools. I just had to compile ArmorPaint on my own and it was annoying :p
agile egret
its not the season yet
pearl elk
Epics like nah we only need half the tomato and theyre like nah man you have to buy the whole tomato
fathom wadi
that sounds like a seedy negotiation
bitter cloud
I'd prefer epic aquire jetbrains, make all IDEs free, and officialy support their C++ IDE
north torrent
You're a tomato, Mr. Olympus.
bitter cloud
@fathom wadi no makefile? ๐ฆ
fathom wadi
no. Had to go full cmd
agile egret
Hey, my s*** didn't crash. I must be doing something right
continues to copy and paste random chunks of code found from the engine and other peoples project
stiff crystal
usually those fancy OSS projects have makefiles for totally weird build tools
for stuff that people like to use on linux etc
fathom wadi
@bitter cloud they are forcing people to pay by making you compile it yourself. I can see the logic but it doesn't help the software spread to users if you ask me
bitter cloud
Makefiles: A more civilised weapon for a more civilised age
stiff crystal
I still get nightmares of Cryengine's cmake setup tho
that thing was super fragile, installed one additional VS c++ toolchain and it went to a state where nothing could revive it
despite the thing it actually needed was unchanged
fathom wadi
I call myself a coder but ask me to start compiling regular code with no base setup, and I would be googling like a noob. And they wonder why coders have imposter syndrome after almost 20 years coding.
bitter cloud
@agile egret makefiles generally programatically build things - great when it works
stiff crystal
it is
often people don't list dependencies right, nor distribute them
so it's up to you to figure out which combo works
bitter cloud
well, not too bad if you have a makefile generator, and a makefile generator generator ๐
pearl elk
Im gonna start a new funding program, its called Mega Rants, you give me a topic and I'll send you a rant pertaining to it ๐
stiff crystal
I think only time cmake didn't give me grief was when I built bullet physics with it
anything else and it's pretty constant struggle
agile egret
I got one, computer shaders in ue4.... I'd prefer unity's approach... never used it, but I saw "how easy" it was on youtube
bitter cloud
cmake has usually worked fine for me - not always though
stiff crystal
well, unity's scriptable render pipelines have made their custom shader code more pain now
signal citrus
McDonaldโs megarant please
agile egret
Their meat is sterilized waste aka pink slime,
they collect meat too spoiled to sell, mix ammonia to kill everything, and then evaporate the ammonia.
So the meat you eat, actually has no nutrition. Just "cardboard" and grease
fathom wadi
try using Blender shaders. It's a fkin nightmare if you want to convert
there is a GLSL option but its OSL as standard.
agile egret
RenderDoc is a liar! You CAN inject this before you hit play!
(I assume, UE4 re-inits the graphics API for the game when you press play, so it works)
fathom wadi
all UE is actually pixel streamed from a giant AI computer in Tim Sweeney's basement. None of it real. Just a fancy illusion made with Flash.
stiff crystal
imagine if ue4 editor was still VB
agile egret
You mean I could actually step through source code without variables being "optimized" away ?
Just kidding, vb did that to me too ๐ฆ
fathom wadi
to be fair, that doesn't happen with debug symbols + watch, unless its meant to be by nature of GC
that or you just slam down a ref like a cheeky monkey ๐
I started out with visual basic. In fact, I was just a standard normie gamer when I decided to quit music and get into computers properly. So I started out with two books. Visual Studio for Dummies and TCP/IP for dummies. I read them both in a week and then went to an interview to get on a diploma course. So I regurgitated what I remembered from both books and got on the course without any previous qualifications.
by the end of the first year, I was working for the Learning Support department making their database and front end with VB
I shoulda stuck with education instead of going into web dev + game dev. I might actually be successful now :p
agile egret
mmmhmmm I feel you on that
fathom wadi
It's probably not uncommon to find a lot of post-dotcom bubble people who missed the boat trying to make a fortune on the web. To be fair in my case, I literally chose to do my own thing, so I don't blame it on anything but my own choices. But still... I had the option of remaining a teacher and developing other kids as they passed through from the repressive school system to the open college system. There is a lot of true joy from life in that.
agile egret
I have to many ideas to be doing that.
Not to mention getting frustrated with the students half ass trying
fathom wadi
You know that was one of my good traits in tutoring, was creating environments of self-motivation through logical prediction. If you get the student to want the result of the process badly enough, you can teach anyone anything.
the half-assed ones in my town were always the same. Talking about the nights out, planning the next one. I got them to think about how they make those nights out better 2 years down the line. With money in their pocket, and easy work.
cedar relic
Yello
If all goes well today, I'll get a new PC chassis to put my PC parts into
The new chassis will be bigger so I'll be able to get a bigger motherboard later down the line, as well as have more space for things like airflow and cable management
The current chassis is fine but it's a little cramped inside, managing the cables is impossible so there's a mess inside (I even had to unplug a few to install a GPU), and it gets... a little toasty under load
ancient ingot
apparently ๐
feral kite
i thought it was an advanced sbubby
median wraith
there is nothing more anoying than when you're defining vars there are pre engine defined ones because of reasons
as making Score at player state
ancient ingot
๐ฎ
cedar relic
My new PC case is home, all I need now is to arrange a visit from someone I know so that he can help me with the upgrade
ancient ingot
ach DIY it's easssssssssy
fluid bloom
hardest part is attaching the annoying case speaker, start/reset button cables
cedar relic
I mean building a PC isn't that hard, I've installed a few components myself even, it's just that moving those components from one case to another is a bit more advanced for me as I don't work with PC parts very often at all
So I'd like to get some assistance as I don't feel like I'd be able to do it completely on my own
Either way it will hopefully solve my concern of having a bit of a hotbox with little working space, considering that the new case has more room inside and supports more fans
ancient ingot
that's fair enough, no harm in being cautious
broken sigil
Securing the CPU into the socket gives me a heart attack and a half every time, feels like something is about to break
cedar relic
When I first built my new PC (with the help of the same person), I had the honor of installing the CPU myself
All I remember from it was that it was really simple
zinc matrix
fluid bloom
^ when you attach the backpack mesh to the character collision cylinder instead of the skeletal mesh
pearl elk
Why didnt Death Stranding have this technology ๐ฆ
zinc matrix
Because it's not nextgen console game
red basin
mossy nexus
If you have a lot of money to waste those backpacks are ideal. Once you buy them, just stick'em in the trash where they belong. Keep doing that until either you run out of money or get some common sense ๐
zinc matrix
need to buy and wear 20 at once and see if they will make you float above ground
rain steppe
What do you think about Gabe Newell and Tim Sweeney?
mossy nexus
Offt. When you see someone asking how to set up landscape materials, "instead of having to do this whole Blueprint thing ever time i wanna paint a texture" then two days later has a 200k kickstarter launched... I call shenanigans.
carmine frigate
that backback needs a glider for that stairs
atomic barn
@mossy nexus im about 98% sure that their cover art is lifted from CKII
(Im assuming you were talking about Fall of the Templars)
mossy nexus
Probably. The trailer is all free assets, to his 'credit' he at least had NPCs plonked in.
carmine frigate
nice, npcs ๐
mossy nexus
Also fairly sure at least some of the trailer used the asset trailers lol. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this isn't a blatant asset flip project but complaining about using blueprints to creating a kickstarter seems... off. Buyer Beware I guess.
fathom wadi
I don't even trust AAA companies considering they treat us like whales and bleed us for content. So some random with an idea and money for assets doesn't give me any extra hope.
zinc matrix
the best content is where you dont need to add it often
so make gameplay more dynamic and less content focused
fathom wadi
its my job to make tools so you don't need to do things so often, so I can fully support people buying tools to make games with. Often I waste more time in game dev building the tools than I would working around things, but I like that development cycle
zinc matrix
ye man i waste more time coding features than i would waste creating the level design
fathom wadi
its a harsh position to be in when you need to keep learning new things, but have no time to practice old things, and all the time you are coding new things, to make the old things work quicker (or entirely new features that will probably be refactored several times). Makes you feel like it's an unbeatable cycle to try improve yourself.
zinc matrix
ye man i dont like adding new features to old systems i always make mess..
for example i have like 5 inventory scripts..
and then adding features to that.. GL...
mint pumice
I work directly on automation scripts in my job, and nothing will teach you the value of good tools like that specific slice of interaction
static cosmos
jfc steam dev support....
Me: I can't seem to link youtube or facebook to my product page. The API keeps throwing up an error. Here are a bunch of screenshots
Steam: (after 5 days of silence) Sorry for the delay I wasn't able to replicate the problem you're having.
Me: I don't want to call you a liar, but I just found months of threads from people unable to link youtube
Steam: Oh actually facebook and youtube linking are down right now, I spoke to the team and they said it'd be awhile before it's fixed.
so 5 days of me waiting for an answer just to get lied to. Quality support steam.
fathom wadi
worth the 30%
static cosmos
I've also asked him 3 times now how to remove the "trading" forum from the discussion forum since there is no trading in this game, and every time I try to delete it or hide it, it throws up an error. He just ignores the question every time.
pearl elk
yeah my experience with Steam QA as a gamer have been less than stellar, it usually ends in me compromising my experience to get around their poor software
They actually have an option to turn off notifications only if steam is visible on your screen. I had wrongly assumed that what I was selecting was to be notified of a message only if the software isnt visible on my screen, which you would kinda expect right
that took like 5 different people and 2 weeks to sort out
yeah the option is "Flash Window when I recieve a chat message", Only when minimized is what I had selecting thinking that would work when steam is entirely minimized, turns out you have to still have steam on your screen only the specific chat windows minimized
They all assumed I was doing something wrong but turns out not one of em tried minimizing their steam friends list lol
How was I supposed to know this, I rekon the last person I spoke to was an actual dev with proper understanding of how the UI architecture works. And I havent purchased a game on Steam since
zinc matrix
Webgl unity export isnt compatible with my game..
pearl elk
thats not how it works, your game isnt compatible with unity webgl ๐
pearl elk
Tim hacked your computer and made it fail to get you to switch to UE4
He's always watching ๐๏ธ
zinc matrix
Ue weblgl support?
stiff crystal
wasn't that the thing they just dropped?
also webgl builds are slow because you go through bunch of stages
pearl elk
Not sure if putting it in the communities hands is the same as dropping it
stiff crystal
is there a difference? ๐
pearl elk
well its still there, community code projects can gain alot of support if people are actively using em, plenty of evidence to support that
they did drop OpenGL ES2
soft night
WebGL to get better right
pearl elk
its certainly better than them cutting support and just leaving it in there untouched as legacy
soft night
MonsGL
soft night
when so many things use it should be opensource where it have dedication so get less stages and smarter right
zinc matrix
My game takes 50 percent gpu on browser and 25 percent on standalone exe
30mb browser build 300mb pc
soft night
@zinc matrix you have tinybuild? for webgl
zinc matrix
Overall works good for browser but takes so much gpu
And inventory bug
@soft night i use unity
soft night
@zinc matrix sorry i mean Project tiny what is using DOTS runtime
zinc matrix
Whats the purpose of it
soft night
https://unity.com/solutions/instant-games but are you using DOTS in your unity game?
soft night
go with those samples what could help to learn of it
and in browser as webgl formed to wasm so its more event and states so you could need to optimize it more
zinc matrix
@soft night ye but there are no multiplayer frameworks for dots
soft night
check DOTS Sample it is multiplayer sample
soft night
DataOrientedNiagaratechStack
pearl elk
Reasonable Data: The Art of Coercing Data into Conformance
Chapter One - The Unlogician
Chapter Two - The Cake is a Lie
Chapter Three - Those Atoms are just Smashing
Chapter Four - Chapter One
north torrent
I'm a banana.
stiff crystal
I wouldn't really recommend Project Tiny on Unity for anyone atm
it's like proof of concept level thing right now
almost every iteration that project has had, have changed the way it works inside out
it first required you to write game scripting with typescript, then they moved to c#, then they made DOTS mode for the editor where you assembled things in ECS world directly (which was really nice IMO), then they dumped DOTS mode and moved the thing back to regular unity editor and now people use conversion scripts to turn the gameobjects to ecs side
every mentioned iteration has required you to redo your game and on top of it, they rely on hybrid rendering package which doesn't even work properly in the editor for their project tiny examples, including that kart game
so, my advice if you want to look at using Unity's Tiny for web apps and games, wait for a year or two
north torrent
I don't know what any of that means...
I'm just a dumb artist, and a banana.
pearl elk
Im just a poor boy from a poor family
north torrent
I'll spare your life from this monstrocity.
alpine fern
sounds more like Project Disaster to me
pearl elk
DOTS, Disasterful Overengineered Transmutation Symphony
stiff crystal
DOTS in general is constantly going through big changes
it's getting better but it's still quite a ride
alpine fern
pearl elk
Theyre obviously looking for a packaged solution
though monster distribution does sound interested
buy one get one free, only on Amazon
north torrent
I am certainly not MOA.d, Mr. Olympus.
bronze axle
Oy.
What a night.
Man, I need a gif of that stone statue award from Bayonetta where the guy goes "Oh, what a day!"
pearl elk
aww is System Shock 3 dead
bronze axle
Hahah, no. Just up late troubleshooting a crash in 4.24.
stiff crystal
ah you missed the news?
pearl elk
makes you wonder how Starbreeze even went broke aye
I also saw this Dungeon Defenders thing which is odd, it looks mostly like the original game
but theres a Kickstarter, did that game not sell well enough or somethin
median wraith
Monsters Distributor 2020 Edition
median wraith
he probably means a plugin
pearl elk
MDP
anyone want to pay me to make it?
is it just me or is Epic Game Store busted
lol seems like its only busted in the launcher gg
pearl elk
I like Epics sale though, USD is so high vs the AUD its more expensive even with the % off ๐
really need subtables aye
bold fulcrum
@alpine fern Given the name of the poster, it is likely a code message of extra-terrestrial origin, aiming at recruiting individuals, capable of deciphering it.
pearl elk
Anyone else got a Samsung phone and received the mysterious 1?
cursive crypt
pearl elk
Im glad they send a 1 not a 0 or I woulda been worried
pearl elk
oh wicked Kevin Sorbo is gonna be at Branson Comic Con guys
median wraith
my phone since the update changed my preference settings
and is using the AI system to check my faces
sage ermine
I'm stuck
median wraith
and I didn't allowed it on first instance, now gives a shit and there is no even a option
sage ermine
And no-one in the proper channels can help me
cursive crypt
Check faces about what?
cursive crypt
Aah, maybe the phone is checking whether you are the person who can open it? What happend with the fingerprints?
median wraith
@cursive crypt made a folder for me, and made individual folders for every person I took photos
that different individual
cursive crypt
But what the AI do with them?
Ops, sorry, got it. It makes folders for them.
Stupendous.
median wraith
yeah, it made folders aswell for general topics like food
cursive crypt
Can you correct it?
pearl elk
median wraith
that all came on the last month Huawei update and can't uncheck these settings isn't a thing anymore, on the older version was disabled
cursive crypt
Probably they own your phone and data, can do what they want.
You just bought a license to use it ๐
median wraith
XD
cursive crypt
Tbh, I'm pretty happy with my Nokia. Looks lightweight.
pearl elk
you downloaded the Chinese spyware expansion
better be careful I heard you can get coronavirus over 5g
median wraith
what nokia do you have ?
cursive crypt
8
median wraith
well this phone dont support 5g
cursive crypt
Well, it will be only the virus part of coronavirus.
pearl elk
phew youre safe, as long as you disinfect your ear after every call
you can still catch it if the other person has 5g
median wraith
I have the best gas mask here so
everything is good
actually is a mask from china XD
pearl elk
"Why even my dawg has a gaas maask!"
soft night
"because all your dawg barks are translated to speak what you can understand"
cursive crypt
Yeah, I muted half of them.
sage ermine
Takain and Mentatz helped me out ๐
cursive crypt
Put them in the Credits.
Many people here deserve it.
Made with "Unreal Slackers"
pearl elk
ahh AnimBP is my jam ๐
I suck at actual animation
we should have our own energy drink
Have too much energy, feeling too perky, try Slacker Juice
cursive crypt
Unreal Juice?
thorny verge
Oh so that's what it was that phone tracking notification on my samsung
pearl elk
our supreme overlords letting us know they are watching our every move
fluid bloom
oh god spotify thinks I need to listen to crab rave
soft night
you need to listen crab rave
zinc matrix
I've never been to a crab rave, are they fun?
pearl elk
least its not crab shave I suppose
fluid bloom
zinc matrix
My life has been pointless up until now
median wraith
uncut otter
Hey - anyone do modeling or sculpting ? i'm trying to decide on a tablet for gettign started in blender with this stuff
mossy nexus
get a tablet, even a cheap one will make a difference
fluid bloom
rimworld got new features
uncut otter
ok i just worry about compatibility issues in blender 2.8 - guess wucom is probably always a good bet?
slow gyro
When you finally get to use 4.24 in your current project.
signal citrus
Try breaking a post process setup struct exi
pearl elk
try creating a struct with a delegate inside it only in BP
zinc matrix
can i use someones song in my trailer?
alpine fern
if they license it to you, yes
tulip nova
stretches
mossy nexus
sketches the stretches
cursive crypt
That some next level conversation.
zinc matrix
huh
bronze axle
Chance has a habit of doing that: briefly appearing to stretch or yawn, then disappearing like an elusive Pokemon.
He wants you to wonder if you ever really saw him.
๐
carmine frigate
i like my linetrace with lots of outputs ๐
dusky shuttle
finite lark
median wraith
Saved, Im from that year
dusky shuttle
Final fantasies are known to be big, 8 came in 4 discs, 9 came in 5 i believe. But 100gb is ridiculous
zinc matrix
im tireD
Anyone else got a Samsung phone and received the mysterious 1?
@pearl elk That's SkyNet man, just become self aware.
obtuse helm
doing placeholder art for a level set in an art gallery, rate my ms paint mona lisa
thin storm
ms paint is highly underrated.
jovial talon
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fathom wadi
needs more cowbell
north torrent
Apparently I can't go to my apartment...
fathom wadi
should I ask why or is that taking the bait? ๐
north torrent
Coronavirus.
fathom wadi
get a bag of cocaine and you will be fine. It kills it apparently :/
north torrent
Do you know what the punishment for bringing cocaine into China is?
fathom wadi
yeah I was being cynical about the recent clickabait news
north torrent
And by it, are you refering to my brain?
fathom wadi
did you know in the west we get such bullshit news, it's almost like your propaganda but without any sense or purpose than to make people consume?
north torrent
I think the whole coronavirus thing is being blown out of proportion and they are making it worse by locking people up in cruise ships with people who have it...
fathom wadi
if you consider deaths from other epidemics, its probably quite low, but maybe that is because of the inherent paranoia being a useful firewall
north torrent
Viruses don't worry me, if I get sick I get sick, that's what immune systems are for.
I just don't like the idea of being in China while people are acting crazy. People worry me, not a virus.
I'm probably just going to stay in the United States until the start of the next school year.
Guess I have to find a job... What do working people do anyways?
fathom wadi
it worries me a little as my immune system is broken. But then like you say, I think its blown out of proportion. Not for those who died and their families, which respectfully it's a terrible shame, but for the rest of the world it just makes for good news.
north torrent
If you have a bad immune system or a young baby at home, then you should be scared.
But me personally, if I caught the coronavirus I would be sick for 10 days and then be better.
A lot of the people who died were 70+ years old. The death toll looks a lot scarier than it is because a huge part of it is 90 year old people...
fathom wadi
Im too busy worrying about making some cash to get them to a better place. I used to be a news junkie, but now I ignore as much as I can and get on with things. Talk to folks like yourself and generally move forward.
the whole social system is crazy right now. I mean, in the literal sense.
north torrent
I need to find a new job because of the virus.
fathom wadi
harsh. You have any fallback plans?
north torrent
The degrees that I need to teach, however, are locked in my apartment in China that nobody can enter...
(This is a city with 15 million people and a few hundred cases of the virus... but since it is a school they just locked the whole thing down for who knows how long)
I don't really have many marketable skills... I'm a fucking game artist after all...
But at least I don't really have bills here. Car is paid for, rent is free, just have to eat.
fathom wadi
umm pretty sure a game artist is a marketable skill
north torrent
Hard to get a job in that, and my skills are slightly out of date.
I also spend too much time trying to be a jack of all trades, and studios generally want to hire someone who specializes in one thing.
fathom wadi
I dont know about that. Half the jobs I see what you to do everything + more - the idea because "i got that covered".
north torrent
Are you talking about paying jobs?
fathom wadi
yeah
north torrent
Maybe I'll look into it.
fathom wadi
I would say maybe half ask for more than they should. the other half is specialised.
you must have one specialisation though right?
north torrent
Not that is up to date to industry standards.
I used to be the guy that did particle effects, advanced shaders, lighting, and post process stuff.
All the things that are not really art but still need an artist to do it. The stuff the artsy artists don't want to do.
fathom wadi
did you use a DCC to do that or inside game engines?
fathom wadi
then it's still relevant for sure. Cascade is still well used. Niagara would take you a week tops to get your head around.
the fact you do the art is the key. The tools are there for the taking.
north torrent
What I focus on now, as my hobby, is making interactive dialogue. Both from the UI perspective and the writing stories perspective.
I don't think there are jobs in that, it is just what I like to do for fun.
fathom wadi
theres always a chance you can sell that if you hit the right market but we both know the marketing costs are half the battle there. If you are trying to make money first, selling your skills as a service is vital.
north torrent
I would rather just work a job.
I just want to go fix computers for people or some boring shit that pays.
fathom wadi
I get that feeling more and more. But then I hit a good patch and I'm back in the game. Mixing it up helps.
north torrent
Just for 4 or 5 months, and then I'll go back to teaching.
fathom wadi
translate other people's digital novellas for the Chinese market perhaps? The localisation system in unreal is pretty cool
north torrent
Maybe I'll just drive a trash truck or something.
fathom wadi
The man who cleans the King's toilet seat is as vital to the system as the man who sits on the throne.
fathom wadi
me too. Never been in sales as I find it difficult to blatently lie
foggy path
Groom of the Stool
stiff crystal
foggy path
360 no scope headshot time?
foggy path
been thinking about getting a trackball for my simrig build
I might need to have something as a pointing device for it and while I could probably get like a surface to mouse on, it seems a trackball might be more handy ๐ค
zinc matrix
yeah I am fairly certain those things would be a pain to navigate for me
zinc matrix
dang i dont undrstand dots at all
@zinc matrix You mean Unity ones?
yes
like they force u to make your game with structs
but that seems kinda HARD
foggy path
oh dots is the data oriented thing right?
where everything is effectively just a bit of data and all the logic just processes the data to do stuff
I always thought it made sense... but then again I'm familiar with functional programming where you generally work in that fashion to begin with
you have some data and a function that uses it to make some other data
zinc matrix
idK man but object oriented seems easier to me..
e.g. my whole inventory system was in one script, but then there are small scripts for Slots, Item Sprite, Item Object
that will call methods on Inventory script.. and tthey have things like collision checking
You don't need to do all of it in DOTS. I doubt they force it to use for everything.
foggy path
I mean it shouldn't really be a huge difference except I guess if it splits logic around to multiple places more
the difference is that instead of using this->someData you just get some object as a parameter and use foo->someData instead