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tidal ivy
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legals

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I mean, $50k wouldn't hire me for a year for sure

median wraith
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Oh you're talking about hire someone

tidal ivy
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and I'm not even a full-time engineer

turbid willow
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bruh :/ i guess i am not opening a game studio anytime soon then

tidal ivy
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I'm more of a designer, albeit senior and specialist

atomic barn
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average salary in canada is $51,000/yr

foggy path
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You could probably get someone in Canada for 50k a year but they might not really be super experienced

turbid willow
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yeah but one person cant make pubg2 :/

hazy delta
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lol

tidal ivy
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PUBG is the kind of game that people spent millions making

foggy path
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yeah you have a long road ahead of you if you want to make pubg2 :)

tidal ivy
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haha

median wraith
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You can hire 2 in Spain for 50k xDD

turbid willow
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can 2 guys make pubg 2 in spain?

tidal ivy
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no

foggy path
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you could probably hire more in vietnam or india :P

tidal ivy
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those two people are probably not worth hiring

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because anyone who is will want market-rate

hazy delta
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I should get my ass on that market then, damn

median wraith
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Welp I was hired for that lul

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Avg income here is about 20k so that's it

hazy delta
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I always wonder, are those numbers before, or after taxes?

tidal ivy
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in watchdogs context, before before

median wraith
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Still the owner won't cover with 20k is more the cost for the company

tidal ivy
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because companies have to pay additional tax and costs before the employee sees anything

turbid willow
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bruh

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how tf do people make their own game studios then?

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do i sell an organ?

hazy delta
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hm I guess germany must be operationg a bit different then with the taxes

foggy path
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they make money from somewhere or get investors

hazy delta
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^

foggy path
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maybe lucky to get a loan from a bank

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but for that you need to present quite a convincing business plan

turbid willow
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anyone wanna invest in my studio? we are making PUBG 2. it will be like PUBG but way better.

hazy delta
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or have a group of friends that just works on a project in their free time and make a big indie hit that sells for millions so they have money to work on more stuff

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yeah hard pass

median wraith
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@hazy delta depends what taxes you mean you get 20k clear the company pays already part of taxes for you and is already discounted, from that 20k you pay per year percentage in taxes

hazy delta
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any game pitch that starts with "we're making X, but better" will be dead on arrival ๐Ÿ˜„

tidal ivy
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especially when said game has multiple studios with an enormous headcount and fairly limitless funds to compete against, lol

hazy delta
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well I get roughly 40k and a big chunk goes into taxes, but at the same time my company also pays the same amount of taxes for me on top of that.

median wraith
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I mean you don't need 2 devs PUBG was made by one guy ๐Ÿ˜น

turbid willow
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well there goes my life dream

tidal ivy
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technically they pay the first set of tax before you get your salary, then your taxes are paid from that

foggy path
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you sound young, why are you so eager to throw your dreams away lol

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plenty of time to get around to doing cool shit

tidal ivy
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it just happens that the system has been cooked in such a way that it works out more or less even

foggy path
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Salaries are deductibles for companies, somewhat depending on jurisdiction though... so assuming the business makes revenue, they don't necessarily lose money for it

hazy delta
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well yeah but I always wonder, if I go freelance, would I need to earn as much as I do now before taxes, or would I need to account for the money my employer pays on top of it aswell ๐Ÿค”

tidal ivy
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unless you're employing other people, no, as far as I'm aware it's only your taxes - but you would need to pay full social security / healthcare contributions

median wraith
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Make sure you play that indie dev game simulator before fund a company

tidal ivy
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I wouldn't quote me on that though

hazy delta
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yeah no worries I won't just take advice like that blindly, just curious

median wraith
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Yeah you pay here a fixed social security cut per month about 400โ‚ฌ

foggy path
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Yeah it depends on your local legislation

hazy delta
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lol that's half my rent, I wish taxes would be that low

foggy path
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I have to pay some extra stuff for myself as a freelancer that the company would normally pay if I was an employee

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but on the flipside, I get a lot of tax deductions because I work from home

tidal ivy
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haha my taxes are also way higher than that ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I think just the health insurance comes out more

foggy path
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I can literally deduct parts of my apartment's rent from my taxes, some electricity costs, internet costs, etc. - so it's actually somewhat beneficial in the end :P

hazy delta
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actually I pay over twice of that per month in taxes... I think it's closer to 3 times actually

tidal ivy
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yup

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German taxes are... a bit much

hazy delta
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a tad, yes

turbid willow
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okay well like i said if you guys want to make a game studio together, let me know. we can make cool games like PUBG 2 and stuff.

hazy delta
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if it weren't for the taxes I'd be living the dream ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

median wraith
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400โ‚ฌ is the minimum base per month if you get even 0โ‚ฌ per month as freelance
Then you pay more based on income etc
Here is no % as in UK based in your income

hazy delta
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well I guess without the benefits from those taxes it'd be a bad dream to life in, but right now I don't actually benefit from that directly anyway so

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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oh okay that makes more sense then

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I'm pretty sure we have this step system where after a certain amount of money that you earn you pay a higher %

median wraith
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And don't meet the 400โ‚ฌ per month to cover the minimuns can be a problem

tidal ivy
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healthcare and social security contributions are fixed %, but income tax is variable

median wraith
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Note you should add 100 there of third party

tidal ivy
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income tax has 4 bands, IIRC

foggy path
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@hazy delta it's called progressive taxation and yeah some countries have it :)

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pretty sure Finland has it for example

hazy delta
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my dad once got a 0.50โ‚ฌ rise in his hourly rate which resulted in a fat 10โ‚ฌ at the end of the month than's to the higher tax % ๐Ÿ˜„

foggy path
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you move into a higher tax bracket if you earn over a certain % etc.

hazy delta
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not actual numbers, but close

median wraith
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Here the health care and social security is included on the 400โ‚ฌ base

tidal ivy
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I mean in Germany if you're on minimum wage it'll be a lot less than 400 euros

median wraith
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By the way the health care here don't cover teeth etc does there?

tidal ivy
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mine does

median wraith
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Public one here don't

tidal ivy
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there are no public ones here, just private companies who get an amount of money determined by your income

hazy delta
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pretty sure it doesn't cover it fully, as I know quite a few people that paid a lot of money for teeth

median wraith
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Well this you pay is the public one

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In here

tidal ivy
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it covers any necessary dental work

hazy delta
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lucky you then

tidal ivy
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I mean it's all down to which insurer you pick

alpine fern
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their definition of necessary is not necessarily the same as yours though

tidal ivy
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they usually outline it in the terms somewhere

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gives them something to point to later down the line, hehe

hazy delta
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same with glasses, that's debatably even more nessecary and I don't get a cent for them

median wraith
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But this 400โ‚ฌ we pay to the public system can cover fake boobs from individuals that go and claim their body shape causes them a mental disorder so get these for free

hazy delta
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one of the reasons why I'm saving up for laser eyes ๐Ÿ‘€

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nice I should go to spain and get a boob job

median wraith
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XD

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Idk a lot of absurd things etc

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They are making the hospitals private slowly

alpine fern
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I also want laser eyes to burn things with

median wraith
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Ha

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If you are deaf fuck you, you have to pay 4k for these things

hazy delta
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that pun was very much intended btw, you're welcome Zeb

median wraith
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Basically as the glasses, just these are under 100

hazy delta
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well mine would've cost 600โ‚ฌ, but luckily I got a friend who got me a 75% discount ๐Ÿ˜„

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gonna wear them for as long as I possibly can

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or until I get superman eyes

median wraith
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Thee ear things?

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Oh

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Wait what did cost you 600?

hazy delta
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oh yeah I was talking about glasses

median wraith
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The hell what kind of glasses cost 600 today

hazy delta
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well the frame alone cost 100 or 150โ‚ฌ and the glasses are extra thin which costs extra with my eyesight... ๐Ÿ˜ฆ also they automatically darken in sunlight

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stuff like that adds up, but ever since I had that, I just can't go without

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since sunglasses would cost pretty much the same and wouldn't be as convenient

turbid willow
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anyone want $10 off coupon for synty studios shop?

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i just bought bundle on humble bundle and dont wanna waste more money

hazy delta
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actually

median wraith
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I don't like these crap sunglasses they let me buy, must be flat and I like the curved ones

hazy delta
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I've been thinking about buying their 'simple dungeons' pack for a while now @turbid willow ๐Ÿ˜„

median wraith
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Can we combine their coupons?

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Get 100 off

stiff crystal
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people still use autoexposure I see

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@hazy delta doesn't that annoy you when you walk inside and it's a bright day?

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it has to take a while to adjust

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also, how do you drive with those in dark when there's incoming traffic? ๐Ÿค”

alpine fern
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would expect it to adjust a lot faster than your eyes do when going inside

stiff crystal
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the ones few decades ago were super slow to adjust

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didn't even know they still make those

cloud wagon
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how the heck do I escape fullscreen ? ;0-0

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could be windows 10 dunno for sure

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square widget doing nothing ;0

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thx anyone

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nvm all got it

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ty bing o_+0

signal citrus
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F11

cloud wagon
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k ty~!

signal citrus
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Shift+F11 too

cloud wagon
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heh

meager sorrel
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Help me, I'm having too much fun! lmao

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I made it worse

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Okay I'll stop

median wraith
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The other day reported bugs \o/

hazy delta
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@stiff crystal well for one, the glasses don't shut down to 0% opacity. They adjust pretty quickly too so mostly I don't even notice that they're dimmed until someone points it out.
They also don't adjust from any light, it has to be UV light so it pretty much only reacts to the sun. And since glass is usually a good UV filter they pretty much don't adjust while driving anyway.

bold fulcrum
hazy delta
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I think he was struggling with that the other day

bold fulcrum
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I wanted to gloat over and praise Hev at the same time, for the bug was there since version, where grass system was introduced and everyone, working with it, bumped into into it at some point, yet it took half a decade for the first brave hero to emerge and report it ๐Ÿ™‚

hazy delta
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praise our hero Hevedy ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ™

median wraith
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@bold fulcrum yup both and 2 more

hazy delta
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and he did all of that on his birthday!

deep glen
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holy hell, win10 forced an update down my throat, even though I disabled updates until the 20th of feb.

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just went "starting update in 3...2...1.."

pearl elk
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thanks for the tips

hazy delta
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jesus, kids these days are way more tech savvy as it seems

cursive crypt
bold fulcrum
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This is just clever way of keeping kids off them discords.

neon iris
hazy delta
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that doesn't look healthy

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must be a cyber attack by those pesky 5 year old discord hackers

deep glen
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lol wut

pearl elk
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Did we have a video of Mr Sweeney at DICE summit or is it not released online yet?

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Just not sure how much I can trust these journos ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

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I mean look at how they twisted this article to make it all about their coverage of Blizzard completely ignoring the point of the talk

mossy nexus
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heh IGN

pearl elk
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Unfortunately they are the ones with the coverage of DICE

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Every media outlet is doing it though because ofcoarse the concept of the artists having their own politics is alien to games journos

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"Why dont they want to make games with our political views only?"

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"Its not like we dont shovel them in every bloody article we write!"

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I just want to know what Tim said without the running commentary

soft night
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MonsMedia the most perfect Mons media in the MonsUniverse

pearl elk
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Monstaverse

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Where there is no pills and everyone is trapped

soft night
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Blue or red pill?

foggy path
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Rainbow pill

sterile palm
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Purple pill

hazy delta
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I think we've got them all now

median wraith
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oh Rei is alive

bleak thicket
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dont spoil star wars

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<badumtss>

median wraith
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๐Ÿ˜ฑ

hazy delta
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๐Ÿ˜ฌ

median wraith
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Wikipedia now have an AI that auto edits the old articles

soft night
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Hevedy is alive

median wraith
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finally don't need people to write wrong info

bleak thicket
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thats not a spoiler, thats a bummer ;)

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hrhr

median wraith
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๐Ÿ™ˆ

cursive crypt
pearl elk
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rounding error

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they only half died

foggy path
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this needs one of those Virgin Euler Angles vs Chad Quaternions things

pearl elk
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Quaternion sounds cooler than Oiler

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its also more environmentally friendly

foggy path
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lol

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never thought about that because I never had to pronounce Euler in english :P

pearl elk
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I used to say it just like Ruler but with an E but apparently thats wrong ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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(because its not English)

bleak thicket
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I once worked with an American customer who had a German name

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I was allowing him to first time hear his name being spoken in the original language it was coming from

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(and he was 50<)

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imagine that, after 50 years hearing your name first time correctly

foggy path
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try Nguyen, one of the most common vietnamese last names

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I suspect almost nobody except those who actually speak vietnamese know how to pronounce that lol

bleak thicket
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are there vietnamese people so far away from the bloodline that they forgot how to speak it out?

foggy path
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I would not be surprised tbh

pearl elk
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newgen ๐Ÿ˜›

foggy path
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it's more like a nasally pronounced Huen and even that's probably somewhat wrong

pearl elk
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But this reminds me about that topic of people having Starbucks names because its easier then trying to explain their actual name

foggy path
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(my ex is vietnamese)

bleak thicket
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My name is TIMEWISE hard to pronounce, because the way the name is spoken is not existing anymore in the language

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so a CURRENT SPEAKER of my language, cant pronounce my name correctly

pearl elk
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Samwise ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

bleak thicket
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which is SUPER annoying

soft night
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unrealise

bleak thicket
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i had so many names in class

foggy path
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lol

pearl elk
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You can be my tater baker

bleak thicket
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the best is, if you have teachers who know you like 5-6 years

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and they STILL speak it wrong

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I am so happy that i am now just existing in my own universe and got a nickname ;)

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when i hear my name now, i just think my mother calls me

pearl elk
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my last name is as English as it gets and people still cant say it right or spell it lol

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cant even imagine how difficult it must be for others ๐Ÿ™‚

bleak thicket
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given that its like "wrong" how my name is spoken, i cant blame them

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they say it like they read it

foggy path
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english pronounciation is weird

bleak thicket
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ha

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you dont know much languages, eh? ;)

foggy path
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in finnish letters are always pronounced the same way

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regardless of their order or what comes after

bleak thicket
foggy path
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I know enough to be dangerous lol

foggy path
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Kazakh probably uses gluttal stops which is why it sounds like that :P

bleak thicket
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my friend has a kazakh wife

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3 kids with her

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and he is daily sitting here drinking and smoking weed ;)

foggy path
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is he like a home husband or something

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lol

bleak thicket
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no no, he is running away from his wife

foggy path
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oh dear

bleak thicket
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he does his job, he is doing his housework, he is doing activity with the kids

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but his wife has no ability to link with him on a mental level

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after all those years he still thinks he is like just a 2nd person in the home, not like actually a linked persona

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and he gets crazy on that

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which is sad, cause he is very good at that

zinc matrix
bleak thicket
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I like how Fox News got that topic before I have, cause I didnt heard from that

hazy delta
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there's only 300?

foggy path
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someone floats an idea and Fox posts it as fact

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something similar happened with finnish politics too

bleak thicket
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OH WOW, HORRIBLE

foggy path
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some random politician mentioned some thing off hand and BAM Fox posted it as fact

bleak thicket
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40 CENT PER KG

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WE WILL ALL DIE NOW!

pearl elk
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Im in Australia and will gladly send cheap meat ๐Ÿ˜›

bleak thicket
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WE ARE ALL DYING

zinc matrix
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i hope meat tax will come

deep glen
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yes please Mons

hazy delta
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well it's still a stupid tax

bleak thicket
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WE CANT AFFORD OUR HEALTHCARE ANYMORE!!!!!!

foggy path
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The meat production is probably already subsidized by the government or EU anyway

bleak thicket
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oh wait a minute.............. ;)

foggy path
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so technically a tax would just reduce the subsidy :P

pearl elk
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I got a nice stamp fresh from Wuhan, jk

deep glen
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send me a few sheep, a goat, ostrich, a few kangaroos, and a koala

bleak thicket
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guys

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its totally irrelevant

zinc matrix
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@foggy path yes. thats not good. subsidy to something unhealthy and disgusting.

soft night
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some vegans eat meat

bleak thicket
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40 cent per kg is like unnoticeable

pearl elk
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ostrich wtf is that ๐Ÿ˜›

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I can do a camel

hazy delta
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it's not about the amount, it's that it's trying to takle a problem the wrong way

bleak thicket
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well, yes and no

pearl elk
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camel milk is meant to be superior

soft night
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@deep glen the pirate ostrich?

bleak thicket
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the problem is that german government is kinda incompetent on that topic, if you wanna know more about this check on the farmer strike topic

soft night
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cow milk is great

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I drink it 1l or more in a day

pearl elk
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You wouldnt want to work as a file clerk for PETA would you, cuz then youd deal with PETA files all day ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

hazy delta
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jesus I'd die

bleak thicket
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so anything that vaguely gets into something somehow effecting all this is fine

deep glen
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there was an observation here in the netherlands, where they tested how much profit grocery stores make when people weight their fruit and vegi's inside the plastic or paper bag. it was about 300k euro in a year.

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just because the slight weight of the bags add up

hazy delta
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TIL Luos is from the netherlands

bleak thicket
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why you guys didnt looked over to germany?

foggy path
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interesting

deep glen
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40 cents over a year is a shitload

bleak thicket
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we have law for this since forever

foggy path
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the plastic bags for vegetables here are definitely very thin and flimsy, I would not expect that to weigh much at all

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but then again the scales are very sensitive

deep glen
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because dutch politicians are morons and prefer to copy the US

bleak thicket
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oh yeah we can come over and fix that problem............... again ;-)

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hrhr

deep glen
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please do

hazy delta
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hey so you do operate like germany ๐Ÿ˜„

deep glen
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:p

bleak thicket
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seriously, you dont know that German Local Governments are stealing from netherlands?

deep glen
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im not surprised about the stealing part

bleak thicket
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your local authorities are a reference for germans, we actually send our local government workers by BUS over to you so that they learn there

deep glen
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lol

bleak thicket
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a friend of mine is one of those

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and he is in love with how netherlands do their things

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he couldn't stop talking about after his trip

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its btw the same friend with the kazakh woman ;)

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I visit Netherlands a lot 8-D

pearl elk
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one good point I heard made was animal poo is actually amazing fertilizer for plants, checkmate

bleak thicket
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somehow i just dont see much of the country per trip

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@pearl elk ok you touched the topic ;) lets explain

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its even better: you can use that shit to bundfle CO2

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you hear right

deep glen
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netherlands has its locations hehe

bleak thicket
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those farmers can actively reduce CO2 in a dimension that is better than forest

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no joke you hear that right

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and guess how many governments are giving them actually monetary advantage for helping reduce CO2?

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You are right! ZERO! :D

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that was under the line the MAIN POINT of the farmer strike here in germany

pearl elk
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well theyre trying their hardest to get us to pay for water that we store on our land

bleak thicket
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they could be a vital part of the actual reducing of the CO2, but they need something monetary to enforce the complete companies to do so

pearl elk
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because apparently the government owns the rain ๐Ÿ˜›

bleak thicket
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our governments are just too incompetent to realize that

pearl elk
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(its bullshit really they just want the water for almond farmers funded by you know who)

bleak thicket
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never forget:

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Governments are not evil, they are just really really really really stupid

deep glen
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and easily influenced by money and promises

bleak thicket
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i wouldn't say that

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its really more random as "pushed"

pearl elk
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the world already makes far more almonds than it needs, we dont need more nuts

bleak thicket
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we THINK its pushed

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but often

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they just do stupid things without any external motivation

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see, 95% of the planets are idiots

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i am counting since 41 years, and i am very sure about this number

zinc matrix
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@bleak thicket those farmers can actively reduce CO2 in a dimension that is better than forest

  • how?
pearl elk
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Californias drought wouldnt be so bad if you didnt have stupid almond farmers gobbling up the water

bleak thicket
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the area they use for this CO2 bundle through shit, is more effective as a tree of the same dimension

deep glen
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when I was about 22-ish years old, the prime minister and whatever other party they co-oped with both had kids going to high school that year. exactly the amount of years they studied at highschool was the amount of years schoolbooks where free :p

bleak thicket
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its like a FACTORY of CO2 reduction

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i cant explain those details tho, but its also hard work

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AND

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you get energy out of it

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just to add up

zinc matrix
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@bleak thicket animal agriculture is more envi. harming. you cant change that

bleak thicket
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that is the point, you can

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not fully

zinc matrix
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how

pearl elk
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grass actually needs very little water to grow, fruit trees on the other hand

bleak thicket
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but the CO2 reduction that you get through those methods would already make it less harmful in a magnitude of dimension

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so

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now

zinc matrix
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lets only eat grass.

bleak thicket
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still

zinc matrix
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not

bleak thicket
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the problem is

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hey

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wanna explained it?

pearl elk
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well cows eat grass, we eat cows, omnomnom

bleak thicket
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see, the problem is that why should someone do it, if they dont get anything from it?

deep glen
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you can reduce the amount of polution of livestock by actually making their habitats smaller instead of free-range-ing em, which is a nice conundrum. will we do whats better for the planet, or better for the livestock.

bleak thicket
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...............................

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LISTEN

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stop thinking like some kind of crfazy scientist

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science is not the point

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MONEY is

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MONEY says, they dont get a SHIT if they use the SHIT of their cows to reduce CO2

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NO ONE GIVES THEM ANYTHING

zinc matrix
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@deep glen did you just say even less space for animals?

bleak thicket
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they would do it, have the extra work, have to spare extra space on their land

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and they wouldn't get anything for it

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think about

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thats why no one is doing it

deep glen
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its better for the environment.

bleak thicket
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and thats why cows are VERY VERY bad for the environment

deep glen
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sadly, not better for the animals

zinc matrix
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in short, not an option

bleak thicket
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yeah but they have families and stuff

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they have created a company

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that needs all the resources it has

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to make enough money

zinc matrix
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tax is a good way to reduce consumption

bleak thicket
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if they start making the extra work for reducing CO2 they get broke

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simple as that

deep glen
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tax barely works unless you are hitting so hard the poor people cannot afford it altogether

pearl elk
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well its all about the notion that you need to maximum profits at the cost of everything else. You can farm in an economical manner if there were incentives for not being a complete jackass about it

bleak thicket
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it doesnt work economical

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never

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thats basic logic of humanity

pearl elk
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instead no, free range chook eggs will always be more expensive than factory farmed

foggy path
#

Taxes can work in reverse too... we have some of the oldest cars in EU here because our car taxes are so high. Good luck reducing traffic CO2 emissions :P

bleak thicket
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you cant be the one doing it right when all others do it wrong, in the economics

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that is

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in all green plans

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you go the other way around

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and give people bonus for reducing CO2

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but

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no one gives that to farmers

fluid bloom
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@foggy path you from Finland? ๐Ÿค”

bleak thicket
#

if you are a HUGE company

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and install a gigantic filter

foggy path
#

@fluid bloom yes lol

bleak thicket
#

that reduces your CO2 output

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then you get a monetary compensation

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if you are a farmer who uses the shit of the cows to reduce CO2

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you get nothing

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THAT is the problem

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and that needs to get fixed, and we would see SIGNIFICANT reduction

foggy path
#

Is it really that simple Getty

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a farmer who uses cow poo instead of fertilizer saves money in not having to buy fertilizer

bleak thicket
#

well its the BIGGEST CO2 source

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its not enough

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its stiill more expensive

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to do it with the CO2 Bundling

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as it takes more time

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and more space

foggy path
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Right

pearl elk
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Yes its super simple, the more line breaks you use the more arguments you win cuz you bump what everyone else is saying off the page

bleak thicket
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especially the SPACE part

fluid bloom
#

yay I wrote a page of text for my master's thesis

foggy path
#

I mean time to lobby for something like that then

bleak thicket
#

yeah sure

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as said:

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the farmers needs to get money for bundling CO2

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and that is the main reason why they strike

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cause they WANNA do the right thing

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many farmers are already doing it

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but they competition gets harder through that

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they try, they try their best

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and then the government just KICKS them in the ass big

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it makes you like really angry

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BTW: There is no "other side" to this

zinc matrix
#

or just make animal agriculture a luxury again. problem solved

bleak thicket
#

there is no big company who wants that this happens to gain from that

zinc matrix
#

meat once per month. end.

bleak thicket
#

its PURE STUPIDITY

zinc matrix
#

95% co2 saved

bleak thicket
#

haha

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just do the right things

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and all is good

fluid bloom
#

isn't industry the biggest producer of co2?

bleak thicket
#

my other friend is btw Aquaponics expert

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and starts building soon the first aquaponics environments commercially

fluid bloom
#

the single biggest producer of co2 in Finland is one steel mill I think

deep glen
#

lets all just eat deep fried worms

bleak thicket
#

that stuff is the real deal! :D

deep glen
#

ive had spider, grasshopper, few kinds of beetles, few kinds of worms. if prepared and seasoned well its not bad at all

pearl elk
#

I suppose it doesnt help that the US likes to deep fry and caramelize everything, too much red meat isnt a good idea but you can have fish, chicken, lamb which is smaller poritons

bold fulcrum
#

See, Mons, how many suddenly became experts in farming ?

deep glen
#

deep fried butter :p

#

#actuallyathing

pearl elk
#

Yes well as a beef farmer Im just watching laughing ๐Ÿ™‚

fluid bloom
#

that picture is fucking my head

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plants don't filter water

foggy path
#

how do you deep fry butter

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does the butter become a liquid inside the batter because of the heat?

bleak thicket
#

@pearl elk In US?

pearl elk
#

deep fried mars bars, totes healthy

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but nooo red meat will kill us all ๐Ÿ˜›

deep glen
foggy path
#

"Fried Jesus", of Dallas, Texas, invented deep-fried butter

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of course the inventor is called Fried Jesus

bleak thicket
#

that is so American

pearl elk
#

I actually used to work in a fast food chicken joint, man I hated that oil, it go into everything. Youd go home and your room would smell like a vat of fat it was gross

deep glen
#

yup

bleak thicket
#

yeah, ActiFry was brought from heaven! :D

deep glen
#

Mons, local snackbar actually pays for their staffs shampoo/conditioner because of that

pearl elk
#

we had rotisseries which are more healthy than oven baking chicken so that was alright but the deep fryers do not recommend. They should def tax that stuff

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not to mention the oil is probably months old

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and at KFC they use that stank ass oil to make the gravy

deep glen
#

speaking about polution and what not

#

I hate kids who just toss out batteries on the street

bleak thicket
#

???

zinc matrix
#

i tried cat once. its delicious

#

was a european short hair

signal citrus
#

Who does this luos?

deep glen
#

when mp3 players became a thing, they often used regular aaa batteries. and kids would just throw em away.

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I think i still have about 500 photos of em for an art project I did back in the day

signal citrus
pearl elk
#

Least theyve made an effort with those phone recycling boxes now, that stuff could have become a real problem

bleak thicket
#

It would be a very high crime here in germany, battery collection is a thing since my youth

deep glen
#

half of the photos come from berlin and karlsruhe :p

zinc matrix
#

anyone tried a cat?

bleak thicket
#

but i am confused

deep glen
#

I draw the line at generic pets

bleak thicket
#

i never saw a MP3 player with battery, you probably talk about walkmans

deep glen
#

the old ones (often very cheap ones) just had batteries back in the day

pearl elk
#

Gaming is actually one of the largest contributors to electronics energy use globally so if someone is a Vegan gamer tell em they have to play board games made from recycled product from now on ๐Ÿ˜›

bleak thicket
#

i cant recall that, but i wasn't that deep into getting the first mp3.....

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Netflix............. its Netflix

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;)

bold fulcrum
#

Wise words, Sir.. wise Words. Gaming heats up the planet ๐Ÿ˜ญ

#

Think green before reaching for that exe!

pearl elk
#

Its certainly way better than it used to be but yeah those powerhouse PCs chew plenty of juice

bleak thicket
zinc matrix
#

@pearl elk vegan doesnt mean you have to stop doing everything

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vegan only means not eating animal food

pearl elk
#

well everyone has their balance of how they contribute to the solution

zinc matrix
#

how do you contribute to saving animals?

pearl elk
#

taxing meat would unfairly disadvantage a few

bleak thicket
#

Comedian on stage: "Who is vegetarian here?" ........ "Ah I see, too weak to lift your hand"

deep glen
#

I donate 20-30 trees a month, and dont own a car.

pearl elk
#

I own land and plant trees, I dont kill any of the animals

median wraith
#

If I dead today because the smell of my own feet, give me tomorrow for San Valentino Rossi flowers

signal citrus
#

Small trees

pearl elk
#

right now we have rare possums in our trees, so Im directly helping save a species from extinction ๐Ÿ™‚

#

but sure, judge me for eating meat

median wraith
#

well the veganism is legal now in america so

#

all the people like plants

pearl elk
#

I eat eggs too that my chickens lay, we dont force em to lay eggs or anythin they just do it so we eat their waste

signal citrus
#

Except on the 4th hev

deep glen
#

walks away remembering the whole pig we roasted last year

median wraith
#

soon we will be seem by the society alike terrorists

ancient hornet
#

vegan only means not eating animal food
@zinc matrix
well I don't eat my cat food. Does it mean I'm vegan?

deep glen
#

hehe

pearl elk
#

after we got rid of the cats the fruit trees have been difficult to get fruit off since all the birds get in there but we are okay with that cuz we'd rather not kill birds to eat fruit all the time ๐Ÿ™‚

median wraith
#

lol

foggy path
#

I'm actually a lil concerned the resale value of my car could suddenly drop like a stone

signal citrus
#

I donโ€™t like soy

foggy path
#

because it's a bit of a gas guzzler...

#

EU passes some legislation and bam rip resale value lol

signal citrus
#

Soy sauce is good but, soy bacon no

median wraith
#

we don't have cars that work with soy ?

ancient hornet
#

sorry for the @. First time I try the mobile version quote feature :O

bold fulcrum
#

If you do position yourself as one caring for animals, yet not ready to drop meat, watch dominion on youtube and spend some time to research into buying products from suppliers, whos farms you have seen. Simple as that.

pearl elk
#

We clear far more land here in Australia for people than we do for beef cattle

#

can we start eating people now?

signal citrus
#

Livestock is a problem though, like how do we stop livestock but by eating

median wraith
#

Australia is a wild place

#

the animals wear machineguns and that

deep glen
#

XD we should eat the poop as well

pearl elk
#

highest extinction rate on the planet

#

youre welcome to come over and spread your veganism, doesnt do shit ๐Ÿ˜›

median wraith
#

We will pay a tax per poop kg soon probably @deep glen

deep glen
#

40 cents/kg

median wraith
#

xD

#

10

zinc matrix
#

@bold fulcrum ew. i watched ominion. its disgusting ๐Ÿ˜ฎ so much death and pain

pearl elk
#

Where I live atm it used to be a whaling town, thankfully we dont do that anymore but then it all became farms but the farms are slowly turning into suburbs

zinc matrix
#

so much daeath

#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

median wraith
#

ominion ?

pearl elk
#

Farms do alot more than people think for wild birds and the like compared to suburbs where people own cats, dogs, motor vehicles etc which all contribute to wide spread death of animals, far higher than the consumption of red meat world wide

#

Cats are brutal man

hazy delta
#

omnomion

pearl elk
#

my uncle made a good living doing cat enclosures

median wraith
#

I'm total lost now

deep glen
#

@pearl elk my oldest cat was brutal when she was younger. every morning we'd find the garden full of dead mice or other creatures (including a heron, and a massive rat) all without their heads, because she only ate the brains and gave the rest to us

median wraith
#

that the oldest

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new ones run away from these

deep glen
#

I think she was a war-survivor in her previous life, because she eats everything

bold fulcrum
#

I think size ratio is the only thing that stands between me being eaten by my cat.

deep glen
#

^

#

I honestly think when cats/dogs lick you, they are doing a taste sample

zinc matrix
#

lol

deep glen
#

"Is this ripe already?" lick

pearl elk
#

my grandma actually set this up, she got an award for it and everythin

#

her yard was filled with rescue animals, big grey kangaroos jeez some of those were huge

#

so many animals get hit by motor vehicles its insane

bleak thicket
#

If I ever get the money to get an actual company building, it will be also parallel a dog shelter

#

then i can make dog food company expense ;)

pearl elk
#

If I could afford it Id certainly take in pound animals

deep glen
#

my mom did back in the day. at some point we had 14 cats walking about

bleak thicket
#

i got the advantage that i am in a city, so i can take in help from the locals

deep glen
#

still have two left

zinc matrix
#

@bold fulcrum

pearl elk
#

yeah unfortunately cats and dogs dont always know and go after native animals. We are constantly telling the dogs off for trying to mess with the sleepy lizards

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you would think the dog getting bit on the face and jumping around with a lizard attached to it would be a warning but nope

bleak thicket
#

its a dog!

#

what you expect?

pearl elk
#

lol well they do listen to commands most of the time being sheep dogs, they just go silly over some things

signal citrus
pearl elk
#

The beagle we used to have loved echindas, he'd come back with battle scars and its like welp...

red basin
#

Luos - Yeah my cat does the same. When he hunts birds its always the head missing

#

Granted I live out in the rural area so the 'damage' he does isnt terrible for the bird population like cities ๐Ÿ˜›

foggy path
#

I don't know if my mom's cats would even know what to do with a bird

#

They are kinda dumb... one of them just randomly decided to jump out of the fourth story window one day

#

:D

red basin
#

Usually they just play with them till they die / sometimes heart attacks

foggy path
#

(he was fine despite the fall)

pearl elk
#

I think my house has eaten more birds than our cats did, for some reason they are forever flying into the windows killing themselves

deep glen
#

very reflective windows can do that

bold fulcrum
#

Rebuild the navmesh.

pearl elk
#

yeah when youre out there in the sun all you see is the reflection of trees

red basin
#

If that were a regular problem at my house I would put up some sun blinds or something ๐Ÿ˜›

deep glen
#

lol death

foggy path
#

I've noticed birds sometimes use their beaks to knock on my apartment windows

#

it's probably a sign that I should clear the dead insects from between the glass panels...

#

pretty sure the birds are trying to get to them lol

pearl elk
#

youre just doing your part ๐Ÿ™‚

#

we have these cool little blue wrens, now the cats are gone they come right in near you

red basin
#

The way I see it, my property just breeds survivor birds. If they are too dumb or slow to avoid the big grey cat in the grass then thats just Darwinism at work.

#

Its not like he blends in.

deep glen
bold fulcrum
#

Best birds I've seen were albatross near Seychelles. Things are huge, always look weared and damaged. And they don't give a heck about humans. You can safely come close and poke one.

pearl elk
#

lol then you get some rambo bird which comes in and beats the crap out of the cat

#

Ive seen the wedge tailed eagles here swoop in and take out hawks, damn thats impressive to watch

red basin
#

Every year theres these birds that will swoop him and scream birdy murder at him. He doesnt do a lot of hunting when those nest near the house.

pearl elk
#

its funny there are little birds here which befriend the sheep, goats and cows. They'll just hang around on their back, tease em n stuff

deep glen
#

we have some magpies and ravens here who do not like cats

red basin
#

They arent even that big. Just loud and ballsy.

#

I hear magpies are scary ๐Ÿ˜›

deep glen
#

i sometimes help their kids back into trees or onto rooftops

#

their parents poke my head

#

#worthit

red basin
#

Yeah, every so often I hear of someone getting knocked off a bike or something because they get swooped by a YOLO Magpie

#

hits em in helmet or whatever

pearl elk
#

lol Ive had that when I lived in the city, the ones out here are actually okay with us. They only swoop the dogs occasionally cuz they chase em off but the little birds stir up the magpies but theres like an order, magpies are under crows and galahs mainly cuz they travel in huge packs and are noisy AF. We get some really big sulphur crested cockatoos here they are pretty impressive oh we have some owls too, so many birds lol

zinc matrix
#

@bold fulcrum you wanna educate a diet server with me?

bleak thicket
#

and I was wondering why my plugins Content directories disappeared

bold fulcrum
#

@zinc matrix I got shawarmized just yesterday, so I obtained immunity to veganism for some time.

zinc matrix
#

i hate it

bold fulcrum
#

I hated it too, but had nothing better in stash.

pearl elk
#

reminds me of Scott Pilgrim movie

deep glen
#

he basically doesnt eat anything with a shadow

azure chasm
#

Have we gotten to talking about eating birds yet

#

Im just waiting for that moment to swoop in

pearl elk
azure chasm
#

๐Ÿ‘‹

pearl elk
#

so still no Sweeney DICE?

#

wow Geoff Keighley not doing E3 aye

median wraith
#

got my legs total destroyed

#

Mons end my game

pearl elk
#

I tried to by destroying your legs but it didnt work

#

Hevedy you just got too much game bro

soft night
#

HevGame the ultimate game of Hevs

dull grail
#

Hot chocolate or cocoa?

pearl elk
#

frocochino

soft night
#

Frappuccino

zinc matrix
#

wow

#

im working with 2d arrays

#

its really hard

tulip orbit
#

๐Ÿ˜„

pearl elk
#

try n dimensional arrays

soft night
#

multidimensional arrays

foggy path
#

the thing about 2D arrays is that you usually have it in "reverse"

#

eg. array[y][x]

#

and not array[x][y]

#

that always throws me off a little

#

:P

deep glen
#

just got my final tax return thingy. of 2019
Im getting 1337,- euro back

foggy path
#

lol nice

soft night
#

y=x

#

so luos is getting leet back

zinc matrix
#

@foggy path nah i know it

#

my problem is kind of about nesting loops probably

#

because I have to go through all inventory slots

#

and then from there check if there are 1-3 previous slots empty (for multi slot item) and of course sometimes these previous slots are not e.g. 1,2,3 but theyre on next bar, so next to 1 will be 10,12,13 as well

zinc matrix
#

Leet (or "1337"), also known as eleet or leetspeak, is a system of modified spellings used primarily on the Internet. It often uses character replacements in ways that play on the similarity of their glyphs via reflection or other resemblance. Additionally, it modifies certai...

median wraith
#

they didn't even made an official pivot painter for blender

#

from the last stream ๐Ÿค”

rain steppe
#

๐Ÿค”

tulip orbit
#

๐Ÿค”

median wraith
#

๐Ÿค”

hazy delta
#

๐Ÿค”

gray vortex
median wraith
#

dammit you broke it

signal citrus
neon iris
hazy delta
mossy nexus
#

๐Ÿšผ

fathom wadi
#

also that collar should be DLC. wtf

hazy delta
#

well time to switch to unity

#

it was nice while it lasted

signal citrus
#

tim is still ceo though

median wraith
#

the fuck

#

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my eyes

fathom wadi
#

@signal citrus thats what confuses me. Is this guy in the position because he impressed Tim with his need for redemption after working at sweat shops and abusing human beings for wage slavery purposes?

#

Mind you, with Tencent on board, I guess thats all moot now ๐Ÿ˜‰

signal citrus
#

wiki says tencent has 40% and tim >50%

#

but he is replacing the previous president

#

mark rein is still vp

fathom wadi
#

its a shame that one day there will be a complete change of management, and the Epic we all know and love will be a shell, abused by the corporate vultures circling the skies

#

We need Tim to do a "Willy Wonka" and give me the company. I can run it from the Great Glass Elevator above Fortnite Island.

median wraith
#

he name the woman, the kids and the dogs

#

what the fuck

ancient hornet
#

now that he has kids, maybe he'll not go into loot boxes aimed at making them addicted on gambling

median wraith
#

haha

#

nice try

fathom wadi
#

Tim talked about removing lootboxes in his keynote

#

specifically saying that the industry shouldn't become Las Vegas

ancient hornet
#

yeah he seemed to really not like them

fathom wadi
#

who would except profiteers tbh?

ancient hornet
#

more profiteers

fathom wadi
#

True gamers should despise them

ancient hornet
#

heck

median wraith
#

lets see what happen with Tim when Tencent don't like his points of view or something

ancient hornet
#

so many gamers say that Valve model is better than Fortnite ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

fathom wadi
#

I dont go by what gamers say, they are generally stupid

median wraith
#

lol

fathom wadi
#

oh no did I say that out loud. Twitter army will get me

hazy delta
#

what is Valves model?

median wraith
#

there is no model

fathom wadi
#

but seriously... read Reddit. You get one intelligent gamer per 100.

#

:p

ancient hornet
#

TF2/CS:Go/Dota2 gambling boxes

hazy delta
#

ugh

zinc matrix
#

But Marc, the true test to see if you're deserving of being given Epic is if you don't want it.

fathom wadi
#

Damn I lose. Good day sir !

ancient hornet
#

DotA 2 has boxes with items inside that are described as "Astronomically rare"

zinc matrix
#

lol

median wraith
#

@fathom wadi that percentage still higher than the dating apps

ancient hornet
#

wait no

hazy delta
#

I like the fortnite approach, just have everything you want available to buy and maybe random gambling lootboxes on top

ancient hornet
#

Cosmically Rare

#

my bad

#

Non-Escalating Drop Rates
The following rarities are non-escalating and drop at a set rate,

Cosmically Rare: 1/250000 (0.0004%)

#

woot, I didn't knew the odds ๐Ÿ˜„

fathom wadi
#

Fortnite seems ok as a system to me. I never felt the need to buy any MTX, even though there was that time it was uncool in school to be a default. Path of Exile gets it right too. Ubisoft to some degree but they are sneaking shadier practices in through the backdoor

ancient hornet
#

Fortnite battle pass : kids feel forced to grind to get all the rewards ! look at the Valve model were the only way to really get levels in their TI Battle Pass is to buy them

hazy delta
#

sounds like your typical gacha waifu droprate ๐Ÿค”

ancient hornet
#

much better

hazy delta
#

I loke the PoE model of MTX, but the prices are bullshit

#

but I'm pretty sure we had that discussion already ๐Ÿ˜„

ancient hornet
#

PoE didn't have lootboxes before, last time I played

#

shame they went that way too

#

now I want to see Rocket League remove theirs (if they didn't already)

rich quiver
#

In the TI there a shitton of tiers

hazy delta
#

like I said, I wouldn't mind the lootboxes if they'd be optional, but sadly the stuff you get in them in PoE is exclusive to them

ancient hornet
#

they gave one box for free and I got a MTX effect for Fire Dash ๐Ÿ˜„

#

near perfect luck ๐Ÿ‘Œ

hazy delta
#

nice

rich quiver
#

Adam Sussman as president GWseremePeepoThink

fathom wadi
#

@hazy delta prices are probably a bit high. But then as game devs, we buy models for more than that. In that respect, it would be actually awesome if you got to keep the FBX of the MTX we buy, so you can either a. use them in other compatible games, or b. use then in non-commercial artwork (such as renders for fan pages)

rich quiver
#

I dont if is bad thing or good thing

hazy delta
#

@fathom wadi not sure if I agree with that. differnt use cases and therefore different validation for prices. they make a model and sell it a bunch of times, so you get to look nice. In game dev you buy a model and use it for your games so you might make some money off it yourself, it's like an investment in your game and not just some vanity item.
I'd be happy if I could use a bought MTX more than once...

fathom wadi
#

you usually pay more for models that are for commercial purposes. But there is no difference to me. MTX are just asset selling in a locked environment. I don't even see them as anything but extra-gaming peripherals for fashion victims. It would be nice if I could use them though.

#

Not to say I dont have any MTX. I do. But only because I wanted to give GGG some money

ancient hornet
#

I find it hard to are if models are too expensive or not

#

I just think in term of "do I buy it or not"

fathom wadi
#

I think "can I model it myself?" and then I quit and move onto something completely different :p

#

just starting to learn modelling after avoiding it. And some of the models I see are just insane and I wouldn't even try them. Especially when you can see there is 3-4 months work in them

hazy delta
#

yeah for game assets it's easy. "Can I do this myself in less time than x=(price/hourly rate)?" if the answer is no you buy it and then never use it and abandon the project a week later

fathom wadi
#

I just re-topo'd my entire mesh after I had rigged and texture painted it. So I had to re-rig and re-texture it. Things like that I hate, but then I refactor things in code all the time.

hazy delta
#

reminds me that I still have to re-topo a whole car, but I have no idea how detailed I want to go ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

rich quiver
hazy delta
#

please implement this yesterday

median wraith
#

look mom Kingdom Come have real GI

#

hides

bold fulcrum
#

HevGI! When?

zinc matrix
#

gottakeep coding these games tryna get on patreon

median wraith
#

@bold fulcrum when i see the light at the end of the tunnel

zinc matrix
#

what if it's a train light?

median wraith
#

both cases will be the last light

#

but in that case will be

#

Metro Last Light

fathom wadi
#

is there such thing as a bad UV layout if nobody else sees it? ยฌ_ยฌ

median wraith
#

no

fathom wadi
#

then I shall move on from this unholy mess

median wraith
#

question

fathom wadi
#

Blenders auto-unwrap is a bit naff

median wraith
#

is the same cyberpunk 80 and these 80 sci fi ?

fathom wadi
#

question. I dont understand the question.

zinc matrix
#

to much question in question Hev

median wraith
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These years 80s style with purple and lines is the same as if we name cyberpunk made in the 80s ?

fathom wadi
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ahh yeah its like retro cyberpunk with a heavy 80's flavour

zinc matrix
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80's weren't purple

median wraith
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oh okays

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I'm purple

zinc matrix
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i'm blue

fathom wadi
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it's a bit glam for my liking but I grew up in the 80's so I get nostalgia from it in a way. But Blade Runner was made in the 80's and felt grittier than any of it bar a few scenes

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I guess there is a level of cyberpunk that is for the general audience, then there is the different variants for different sub-genres. Johnny Pneumonic is what I consider the mainstream style, but you can go as far as crazy things like Tetsuo and beyond. Even Neuromancer was quite heavy on the machine symbiosis factor and a good chunk of that is floating around as an electronic consciousness so to speak

median wraith
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Yeah I want some on purpose 80s style

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just didn't know how to name such thing

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ins't something I like, but is absurd enough

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ala blood dragon

fathom wadi
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its a very stylized version of it tbh. If you were around in the 80's, it wasn't that clean as its represented. People were poor, clothes were handed down to siblings or people down the street. What they represent as the 1980's now is purely from pop culture images such as Miami Vice or Scarface etc.

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there was a lot more brown clothing and furniture around left over from the 1970's too. And wood panelling. And chipped wallpaper

cursive crypt
zinc matrix
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I wonder if it's not just formatting error somewhere in code ๐Ÿ˜„

cursive crypt
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Probably not, just the dependency tracking is not resolved fully when it pops the first number.

zinc matrix
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abs() and bug solved

cursive crypt
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lol, yea, though it will then just start to increment

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hero = submarine which grinds sandwiches

median wraith
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dammit Github don't allow me to host a web from a private repo

mint pumice
stiff crystal
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TL;DR: microsoft integrates IL2Spy into visual studio so you can decompile managed dll's to c# easily

median wraith
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lol

median wraith
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Make My Game Option

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Decompile Others games and recompile it on what you wish

cursive crypt
hazy delta
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Me, browsing this channel even though I can only code in blueprints: โ˜๏ธ

fathom wadi
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Me, wishing I was a plumber

north torrent
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That certainly would have been a better career path.

dusky shuttle
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Me in this server even though i stopped pursuing game dev and only use the engine to show my students the usefulness of digital logic

raw rose
hazy delta
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I just want a service with a library as big as the one that steam has where I can pay 10โ‚ฌ a month any play whatever they have on offer

fathom wadi
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steam kind of does have that already. the refund system, but you only get 2 hours :/

foggy path
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I think having some kind of a demo system would improve sales for sure

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I don't like using the refund system for demoing because it seems like one day they'll be like "oh you abused the system no refund for you"

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although I'm noticing more games are offering some kind of demos lately

raw rose
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Yeah demos are great. But they don't get the game promotion the same way a subscription does

fathom wadi
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demos can be bad for sales too, as they often show up the shit as well as the shine. Or make you realise the hype was real and you didn't really want to play it in the first place. Or the game is so shallow, that 2 hours covers everything.

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You could argue that just gets rid of the bad releases but then it will also promote the first demo levels being the good ones, and the rest are post-sale so don't matter.

tulip orbit
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Oooh. thats a good idea for my game ๐Ÿ˜„

potent sail
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So is it just me or are widgets one time use?

azure chasm
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i just discovered the 2 best features of landscapes tools and now i cant use them together

fathom wadi
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@potent sail just you. I mean, some are, but usually a widget is meant to be used multiple times with ease.

azure chasm
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i mean if thats how you think of widgets

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but its 2020

potent sail
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Weird stuff

azure chasm
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#widgetslivesmatter

potent sail
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

azure chasm
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@potent sail

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i mean you can tho, remove from parent

potent sail
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I'll take a look documentation on widgets is surprisingly limited

azure chasm
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or set it hidden

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its up to you

fathom wadi
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once you get the hang of the dynamic nature of widgets, you will be re-using everything. just giving them different vars to spawn with etc.

azure chasm
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yeah to be honest i think I one time widgets as well, especially non hud ones

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just send them the variables they need everytime they come up, usually isnt much anyways...

fathom wadi
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nothing wrong with doing that tbh. I always say if it works it works. I just get in the habit of content management style development so over-do it a bit too

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I remember when I was first doing a CMS style menu, I did a self-contained menu that used internal pages. It was at that point I knew i'd fudged up ๐Ÿ˜„

potent sail
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I imagine avoiding "get all of class" blocks are best for optimisation

fathom wadi
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not so much avoiding them, but using them at the right times, and if you are in C++, with the right filters.

meager sorrel
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lol kidding. This is taking forever to compile, lol

zinc matrix
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here am I listening to metal at 2am

lone condor
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uh

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no oneโ€™s responding

zinc matrix
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@meager sorrel it looks artistic

lone condor
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I really like the level design but

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I need help

zinc matrix
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me too

meager sorrel
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thanks haha, it's actually not mine though.

zinc matrix
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ive spent 16h on coding easy feature.. well it wasnt so easy..

lone condor
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oh

zinc matrix
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16h of programming nested 2d loops ffs

lone condor
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well youโ€™re better at it then I am

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I donโ€™t even know what those are

zinc matrix
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good for inventory

lone condor
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oh

zinc matrix
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1,2,3,4,5,
6,7,8,9,10

lone condor
zinc matrix
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e.g. i would need to write a code that checks if 3,4,8,9 arenot taken

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idk man blueprints confussing to me

lone condor
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same

zinc matrix
lone condor
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ok

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ok I have no idea why but no oneโ€™s responding

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and also I posted this on reddit and it got downvoted

zinc matrix
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@lone condor

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they busy drinkin cuz friday

lone condor
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oh

zinc matrix
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im soo tired

fathom wadi
zinc matrix
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she looks like shes coming here

static cosmos
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anyone done the setup for a steam page? I have to add 5 tags. I have 4. Any additional tag that I try to add gives me a "there was a problem adding your tag" error.

pearl elk
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Theres enough Bond movies with die in the title to make it a spinoff franchise

signal citrus
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whos the bond?

fathom wadi
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still daniel craig

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his last one tho

signal citrus
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ah

fathom wadi
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is there a preferred plugin for rigging with Blender? I get the feeling im better off just making one from scratch and retargetting it as best I can

signal citrus
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mr mannequin tools

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i've never used it, don't know what it does

fathom wadi
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it looks to be a mannequinn in blender with export options

signal citrus
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but theres rigify too, that will need retargeting

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thats kind of a big deal though, maya style bones aren't y forward like blender

fathom wadi
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yeah rigify simple rig may as well be just a standard rig though. Its the advanced rig that seems to be used more with rigify for the IK stuff

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I hate all this crap tbh. Can't wait for the send to unreal plugin

tulip orbit
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the send to unreal will help with rigs?

fathom wadi
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I read a bunch of stuff about how Blender FBX isn't even that good for purpose

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Im not sure initially Inheritus but there is another part to it too

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Kaye Vassey said it was two plugins so maybe one is for skeletal

signal citrus
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rigging is fun in blender anyways

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the python is easy

fathom wadi
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yeah I actually dont mind it

pearl elk
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this is how I feel when I do rigging

fathom wadi
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all the naming convention stuff could be handled better though. If you setup Vertex Groups that happen to co-incide with bone names, they get over-written by the bone vertex groups. Which means you end up with two sets of VGs that have different naming conventions. It seems silly.

pearl elk
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jeez all these Bioware vets are joining this Wizards of the Coast outfit Archetype. Could be interesting

fathom wadi
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Yeah WotC must be raking it in since the battle pass

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not that they weren't before

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they are the kings of "fleece"

pearl elk
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It fits though, like it makes sense for them to kinda go home in a manner of speaking

fathom wadi
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Dunno if you have ever tried to keep up with Magic The Gathering products, but it's vicious.

pearl elk
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nah, Ive played abit here and there but I try not to get into those sorts of things. Im more into DnD if anything

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They also did Netrunner too

fathom wadi
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thats a good thing. I had to stop. It became obvious that unless I was willing to go all in, I was just wasting money and time

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It does kind of scare me to think Dragon Age 4 is in the hands of who fills in the blanks from there tbh. Inquisition is in my all time greats list

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im sure it will get royal treatment tho

pearl elk
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I preferred Balders Gate to Dragon Age tbh

fathom wadi
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Baldurs Gate was a proper rpg though. Dragon Age Inquisition was more of an RPG-lite. Not much in the way of consequences, not too many path choices change the outcome in any major way, etc. Just a romp ๐Ÿ™‚

pearl elk
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This could be like a Respawn moment for them, still under a big publisher but with the autonomy they need to make better games

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I wonder if thats even some sort of contractual obligation for publishers, like after a time these veterans so no hey wait we want this in writing.

lilac mauve
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I know this isn't really the place for it but I am designing a video game and have a current concept I am throwing out in survey form to see what the masses thinks. If you are willing to take it and/or share it that would be great. Shouldn't take longer than 5 min. https://forms.gle/9kX81zcBvNybqx1e9

foggy path
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Sounds like a very ambitious project

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I'm kind of wondering if you'll get any useful feedback from that form though... the answers are just going to 100% depend on the type of person who answers it. It won't really give you anything objective imo

zinc matrix
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sup, I'm new, taking a course on how to use UE4 : )

pearl elk
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Hi new, Ive been using UE4 for a millennia, since before the sands of time started through the hour glass

zinc matrix
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hi, hope to get there someday : )

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hopefully...

pearl elk
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As a great man once said "Stay on target. We're too close. Stay on target. Loosen up!"

stiff crystal
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if you want to get anything done, mute this channel as your first step ๐Ÿ™‚

zinc matrix
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lol

pearl elk
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Wait there is more than one channel?

zinc matrix
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fair enough proceeds to mute

signal citrus
fathom wadi
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So I rigged my character. And there is one vert refuses to move. It's in a vertex group, but it just refuses to move when I pose. I almost respect it's will.

pearl elk
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delete it

cursive crypt
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Add a custom c++ code to move it.

fathom wadi
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its ok I found the problem. Sneaky thing had ended up in a completely irrelevant vert group

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just had to cycle through them and see which one had it. Guess I could have use python for that if I cared enough to learn that stuff but meh ๐Ÿ™‚

azure chasm
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is it too late to retopologize

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how did i miss the rigging convo... oh god... that thing... when i started ue4, mixamo exported to ue4, halfway thru me making my enemies they dropped the support , i was left with half enemies with ue4 rig half with mixamo... spent so much time learning rigging/retargeting/python scripts for blender

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i still suck at it

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its just not simple, ever. and then you managed to get all the bones right, somehow the UV got messed up. Man.

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but theres this, havent had the time to mess with it yet https://gumroad.com/l/MrMannequinsTools

tulip orbit
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Bookmarked ๐Ÿ˜„

fathom wadi
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I can't say I like that tool much. It seems convoluted. I just whipped up some bones myself and everything is hunky dory. I guess that plugin just saves time on retargeting really

pearl elk
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the only bones are true bones ๐Ÿ˜›

cursive crypt
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You just need the bone for that.

pearl elk
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lol wut

cursive crypt
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?

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There is nothing.

pearl elk
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aww its gone, I can screen cap it

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The movies set in realistic reality are the best

cursive crypt
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Bah... movies, have no time for that.

pearl elk
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its about immersion man its like a drug... cuz I remember that one time I was doin ludes while playin pacman it was like life imitating art imitating life

cursive crypt
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That gotta be photorealistic surrealism ๐Ÿ‘

stiff crystal
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that's a one long paragraph of text

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anyway, that person has to hate 99% of the action movies

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and 100% of scifi/fantasy

pearl elk
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crime thrillers are the only genre

stiff crystal
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imagine if games were made with that logic

surreal kelp
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Hi<

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has anybody have filled Form W-8BEN

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I won megagrants, but I have to fill this form correctly

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The problematic part in this form is Part II
Claim of Tax Treaty Benefits

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I could not find anything related to grants with Turkey-US Treaty

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Did you fill this part

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?

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How much Tax did they cut?

cursive crypt
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Why not consult an accountant?

surreal kelp
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First accountant did not know ๐Ÿ˜„ ?

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did not understand, suggested me another accountant and he is on holiday

cursive crypt
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lol, anyway the first one which gonna know will tell you as correct as it should be.

surreal kelp
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yeah hopefully

cursive crypt
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When law is involved and you want to take specific actions, you have to really believe in the person.

surreal kelp
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Yeah, I am really waiting to fill those 2 questions for a week

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thats why I thougth maybe someone experienced the same in this discord

cursive crypt
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Yeah, maybe there is some chance (minimal) to meet an accountant/layer here.

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But take the phone and ring to some company or so to service you. That is if you don't want to wait. You may burn some money, but you gonna save much more? ๐Ÿ™‚

surreal kelp
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yeah

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thanks

cursive crypt
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Good luck!

stiff crystal
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@surreal kelp try to find about the tax treaty between US and Turkey on both IRS (US) and your own tax related site

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if there's no treaty at all, you just don't claim that on that form and you lose that 30% or whatever the tax is in such case

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so, definitely check if the treaty still exists

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also do note that even if your country had the treaty, that doesn't mean you wouldn't pay taxes for it, it just means tax isn't paid on US front

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whatever happens on your country is another thing

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(and that woud also be different if you got the grant for a company or personally)

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W-8BEN suggest that you are an individual tho

fluid bloom
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we're having a small UE 4 workshop at work ๐Ÿค”

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guess who volunteered to mentor the lot (me)

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I guess I should mainly go over the game framework main classes and how they work and interact with each other ๐Ÿค”

fathom wadi
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Start with how to disable the 97 plugins you need to get rid of each project :p

pearl elk
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I could probably make a script for that

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but then everyone will say oh but I need this plugin on by default and after 96 PRs we're back where we started

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gah I cant tell if this meat is bacon or ham...

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I think its now both

pure marlin
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Hi "Slackers",
it is encouraging to read other developers too. I am from germany and do mostly from 3d modeling to vfx effects. I started almost 2 years ago and just worked on learning my tools befor thinking of creating a game. Right now i am in the process to create my first game. I will present shortly my work in progress end of this month. Nice to meet ya all !

stiff crystal