#lounge
raw rose
ancient ingot
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umbral socket
I want to make boxes, productpackaging models for use in ue4, simple solution is just to use a box but that's not detailed enough
anyone made something similar and want to share their way of doing it? ๐
delicate lark
Our first negative review because we use unreal engine ๐
I thought only people getting a place in EGS can get these ๐
pearl elk
What a load of shite
ancient ingot
๐คฃ
foggy path
so wait, he bought the game, somehow spent the effort to find out it uses unreal... and then did that?
some people... ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
ancient hornet
at 0.1h he can refund I guess
though he got it through a key from outside Steam it seems?
foggy path
I've met one person who has a legitimate claim to not use EGS / dislike epic (she was a backer of Fortnite's singleplayer mode which seems to be pretty much abandoned now)
Everyone else is basically just full of shit to the degree they're pretty much reciting Reddit posts from when EGS first launched :D
ancient hornet
news at six, game companies abandon games that don't have many users
I'm pretty sure Fortnite BR save the single player Fortnite
foggy path
yeah, but I can understand the feeling that you got screwed especially after you spend money on something like that
ancient hornet
the later got a lot more updates it'd have if not for the success of the other ๐
Epic didn't abandon the PvE mode I'd say
delicate lark
it is his epic battle against Epic ๐
delicate lark
writing a negative review to a game using epic tech.. .what a a victory
THIS WILL SHOW THEM
foggy path
I haven't really paid attention to it myself tbh, it's just the only sort of legit reason to avoid using EGS that I've heard :P
delicate lark
not using EGS is ok imo, but spending time on writing negative reviews in steam on titles which are related to epic somehow is weird
pearl elk
You can be an opponent of something while still being part of that system, infact youre the one who can most benefit from change.
median wraith
@delicate lark I have seen a profile of terminator on some corn web saying in every video "you're not Sarah Connor" so nothing surprises me anymore
delicate lark
rofl
pearl elk
gimme a taste of that delicious corn web
foggy path
Unity Hub is such a weird piece of software...
The way Unity works with that nowadays feels so tacked on
median wraith
"Share videos and other things with your friends"
GoogleHub Stadia
we the peasant players playing at 2k
while these platforms stream at 8k
better than megascans
plucky pagoda
Hardware peeps how big a difference you think it is between a 1060 3GB vs 6GB? I'm building a workstation for my son and looking to keep the total build cost down.
plucky pagoda
It's for dev work mainly. Graphics work, and general game dev. Not looking for ultra realistic renders. He's just starting out and about to start a 2 year graphics/ interactive media program for his last 2 years of High School. He'll also be working on some of my professional projects with UE.
Leaning towards something like this and adding in a drawing pad for now, or maybe a cintiq
might go with a mb withnewere chipset
median wraith
Should work I think ? Lets see if other one reply you
plucky pagoda
YEah, I'm just not up on hardware anymore
pearl elk
RTX3080 20GB
foggy path
probably same reason it gives random pages in japanese to me and refuses to switch languages
...when you make a game dev do the job of a web dev 
umbral socket
a lot and not
depends on the work he is doing ๐
woops forgot to scroll down ๐
@plucky pagoda it was anyway
median wraith
Twitter
plucky pagoda
1500 reviews is more likely closer to 150,000 units. Tends to be closer to 1-2% leave reviews in my experience.
Game looks nice, plus it's a pokemon clone that looks like it fits right into a missing want.
foggy path
Oddly the preview of the Steam page on that Tweet says "inspired by Pokemon"
median wraith
thats where it comes that missing thing in pc
plucky pagoda
Wow, yeah that's like the perfect game to make for pc sales.
foggy path
but there's actually no mention of Pokemon on that page... they probably removed it at some point I guess
plucky pagoda
Hadn't seen it before your post
foggy path
But yeah frankly it looks a little bit more than just inspired by Pokemon... more like a clone
but nothing wrong with that if it's good and it looks like it is
plucky pagoda
I'd be shocked if that wasn't in the top 5 sales at teh end of the year
plucky pagoda
ah, I wasn't aware of that
ancient hornet
to reduce the bias where mostly unhappy people go leave a review
foggy path
Chinpokomon
ancient hornet
so maybe review counts are slightly inflated recently since that update, compared to sales
foggy path
The review feature is more prominent in the new steam design as well
ancient hornet
yes
foggy path
and it's asked more in the fashion of "would you recommend this to your friends"
ancient hornet
so 50k sales might be more accurate
foggy path
probably makes it more likely folks leave reviews as a result
ancient hornet
basically, there's a bigger ratio of player/review now and this pushes all review scores higher
plucky pagoda
Maybe, I wasn't aware of the change and that's based off experinces over the last few years. Either way that game is perfect for pc sales. It'll be in the top for a while.
foggy path
Wonder what the reviews are like for Generation Zero right now... I remember it being quite mixed when it launched, but personally I rather liked it (but it definitely was buggy)
plucky pagoda
It has a great market that wants something like that on pc and hasn't had it
foggy path
brb porting all niche nintendo games to pc
median wraith
XD
hazy delta
I wouldn't call Pokemon a niche game ๐ค
hazy delta
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/745920/extras/Steam_Game.jpg?t=1579629574 gotta say, this looks pretty convoluted with so many people running around
nice gif
plucky pagoda
My next planned game is a harvestmoon like/rpg/ co-op
foggy path
well I don't mean niche as in only a few people enjoy it, but rather something that kind of just is the one great example of its own genre - which I feel like pokemon really is, has any game done anything similar and actually succeeded to a similar degree?
hazy delta
so Stardew Valley/My Time at Portia/Graveyard Keeper and whatnot? ๐
median wraith
^ yeah Harvestmoon boom was Stardew Valley
plucky pagoda
I feel like Portia missed the mark on implementation.
The game is too clunky with crafting
foggy path
Sim Farm > Harvest Moon fite me
median wraith
make the Harry Potter GameboyColor game port
hazy delta
and none of them hit the mark just like harvest moon did ๐ฆ
median wraith
probably now can figure 20 years later how the hell complete the level
molten quarry
Hey!
plucky pagoda
yeah,
molten quarry
I am new in here and i have a question
hazy delta
the fucking cows are just way too cute
median wraith
UE4 ONES ARE MORE CUTE
foggy path
tbh cows in UE4 would have realistic udder physics and I don't know if that's cute
molten quarry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431585781681881128/669484502229450762/unknown-5.png does someone know how to fix this?
hazy delta
chiropracty
plucky pagoda
unsummon Cthulhu
pearl elk
too many bicep curls
molten quarry
i downloaded a model and an animation from mixamo and idk how to make it work
plucky pagoda
google retargeting, read the doc, fix your settings
median wraith
@foggy path E3
https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/Store_Cow_screenshot_02-1920x1080-6466916403f97345a73f10e4afaa8b03.jpg
Release Date
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cQw1CL0xYBE/maxresdefault.jpg
foggy path
lol
ancient ingot
did you know........
pearl elk
top one is RTX on obv
pearl elk
get chickens, they lay almost every day
foggy path
yeah those cows look like something you'd see on the side of a milk carton tbh
..except with less 420
hazy delta
oh wow MMXX for a second there I thought you're making a racist statement against Turks...
ancient ingot
oh cock
foggy path
Ankara which is the capital of Turkey is finnish for "Harsh" or "Strict" :D
ancient ingot
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ancient ingot
there are laws against that kind of thing Hevedy ๐
pearl elk
The anti-Hevedying law
ancient ingot
๐คฃ
plucky pagoda
Anyone around who can recommend an inexpensive drawing tablet?
median wraith
<Hello I'm Tim Sweeney and bought DICE>
foggy path
UE discontinued, replaced by Frostbite
pearl elk
Design Innovate Communicate Entertain summit
Digital Illusions CE
hazy delta
oh DICE in this context isn't the studio?
hazy delta
nice
molten quarry
@plucky pagoda i managed to fix it. thanks a lot!
pearl elk
๐ฎ
pearl elk
and its sister company go pro
hazy delta
nice wiki
ancient ingot
fucking awsome aint it ๐
pearl elk
now that it actually works
hazy delta
well...
I feel like it could have a bit more content
y'know, like one or two articles
pearl elk
the other one came with a bit better base to start from lol
ancient ingot
fluid bloom
why is that page a thing ๐ค
also why the hell is https://wiki.unrealengine.com/index.php?title=Main_Page still in disabled editing mode?
We have temporarily disabled editing while we're working on a new Wiki!
how many years has it been like that?
ancient hornet
the low level admin job was probably just to install the software
and someone else will do the data migration ๐
foggy path
the irony is that to someone who doesn't know the errors, both the lights on a box and Windows STOP codes are equally opaque ๐ค
foggy path
also this lol
then you would probably have to consult a thick bible with information
which is pretty much what you had to do back in the day when you didn't know something
ancient hornet
yeah people know exactly what it means when there's a SIGSEGV Core Dump message
๐
foggy path
yeah because unix error codes are really easy to understand
I've lost count how many times I've had to try and look up some process or socket related error code and not really found a lot of useful info
sadly I can't recall what it was but oh well
ancient hornet
unless it's an info page
foggy path
written by Linus "Git is easy" Torvalds or someone who has equal skill level in making documentation hard to follow
ancient hornet
or did we finally get rid of those?
foggy path
yeah because it makes perfect sense that checkout is used to both select branches you want to go on and revert changes, and reset can also be used to jump to branches and also reverts changes but in a different fashion
and I think branch probably also lets you go on a branch or maybe it doesn't...
how many different ways are there to merge stuff as well
you can do a merge, a rebase or a cherry-pick...
all of those can do the things the other commands can do as long as you give it the right parameters..
yes, they are certainly useful in different cases, but none of it is very easy tbh :D
for someone technically oriented and familiar with source control, and who has bothered to learn enough about the intricacies of how git works... yeah they can make sense of it
yeah except most people who have used git for a longer time recommend to rebase
because then you get a cleaner history
foggy path
that's the problem, doing the right thing should be easy and if rebasing is the right thing why is it hard :)
ancient hornet
it's just a series of cherry-picks really
foggy path
to be fair they have improved git's usability over time
they've made the defaults a lot more sensible, and improved how the commands work to do the right thing more easily
it's still a bit of a mess, but it is certainly easy enough if you just tell someone the commands they need to use :)
(and still better than any alternative I've seen)
ancient hornet
I work with people that don't really know much about computers
and yet they never fuck up their repos beyond all repair
rebase is better than merge often, mostly because it means more fast forwards and less convoluted histories
if you work on the github workflow it's pretty fine to rebase your own feature branch now and then
and basically without risk
yeah, go tell people that are "noob" to use git log directly ๐
foggy path
yeah I use rebase all the time as well but I'm familiar with the potential history-rewriting problems it might have so I know how to avoid it
ancient hornet
also the perils of rebasing are meaningless
github/gitlab protect branches against history deletion
well, they protect the master branches ๐
it's very hard to mess up following the Github PR workflow
git pull --rebase
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I even set it to rebase by default
foggy path
so how about them tabs vs spaces?
vim vs emacs?
:D
I use a ray gun to directly flip bits in memory
Here in Finland we have a temporary vehicle tax
Been in effect since the 1950s
well I was kinda trying to make a joke about it having been temporarily disabled for a while now...
lol
ancient hornet
so that they have one page and they applied a custom dark theme
or maybe just set the option for the theme to be dark ๐
plucky pagoda
how fix? https://youtu.be/l8VLnSLJUpY?t=47
stiff crystal
deep glen
tidal ivy
*Doom Slayer
foggy path
perhaps more than the game itself I'm looking forwards to seeing more binoposting memes
tidal ivy
Doomguy is a different character
deep glen
Twitter
rich quiver
bold fulcrum
Whats dat?
deep glen
a grid image
nah, apparently its a glass with that grid baked in
at first I was like, wtf. im not going to pay that for a grid based jpg
bold fulcrum
pff I've already fired up substance designer and ordered shovel for the cash.
deep glen
haha
signal citrus
wait, glass?
does it go on top of things?
I mean, it would. But that is it's purpose?
median wraith
I didn't wanted to make realism so spend 4 days making a vehicle
deep glen
median wraith
then found out is better realism for the gameplay, process to use the plugin that bought
tough sierra
anyone ever used ue4 purely as a rendering engine as of yet?
with some projects all the other parts just get in the way.
atomic barn
@tough sierra I work at an animation studio that uses UE4 for rendering
I am Pipeline TD for game engine stuff
tough sierra
i don't want to deal with UObject or Actors or any of that, no level editing, just good old fashioned code.
but at a lower level.
honestly, am a bit annoyed at the amount of headache there is to add new source files to a project, especially deleting them and renaming them.
the engine gets in the way.
atomic barn
hmm, you probably wont be able to get around using UObjects or Actors...
the Engine has a looot of infrastructure to try to supersede it really does't work that well IME
tough sierra
the full source is there, there has to be a way but even with as big as this community is it doesn't seem people are fond of designing their own game engine or working without one.
for some specific projects i'd rather just have the ability to create meshes, instances, lighting, materials, but then code all the game object and game logic stuff in a custom system.
atomic barn
I have found that you really have to work with the engine than try to reinvent the wheel. Even a lot of standard C++ practices/techniques go out the window when working with Uneral as there is a ton of stuff that the Engine does itself
foggy path
is your name a Dwarf Fortress reference? :D
atomic barn
@foggy path "It was inevitable."
foggy path
lol
tough sierra
damn.
this computer has an old quad from 8 or so years ago, the compile times are harsh and so is managing the code. and all the other parts that rely on UObject seem way too restrictive. was going to give ogre3d a try but apparently there's some missing capability and i'm not a low level graphics programmer.
appreciate the feedback though.
atomic barn
No problem. There are restrictions but once you get used to the paradigm of developing for unreal things get alot easier.
Make sure to keep any custom code in plugin module so you don't have to compile/customize engine code.
also you can toggle what engine modules to complie using the VS configuration manager (you only need to compile your project unless you are editing engine code), that will cut town compile / precompile times down significantly
tough sierra
have been doing that at least and keeping it all modular, which helps over the long term the issue is mostly the speed of prototyping things in code. something akin to openFrameworks would be awesome if only it had support for shadows and reflections and all the other fancy stuff.
atomic barn
Ya, I have found that for prototyping Blueprints are much better for quick iteration and experimenting.
prototype what you can in BP then convert functions to C++ nodes
tough sierra
oof. might be that i just suck at using them but they are slower to use than just coding. not easy to reason about them.
that probably is a matter of personal skill.
atomic barn
Ya it really comes down to familiarity with the system. I prefer to work in C++ but there is a trade off between compiling systems with C++ and using BPs for more modular iteration
C++ also has limitations like not having access to BP level properties etc
There is a really good livetraining stream covering exposing C++ to BP to enable a better workflow
Also this one is good for basic C++
rigid shoal
C++ also has limitations like not having access to BP level properties etc
What BP level properties are you talking about? I'm not really familiar with level stuff. Oh, I just realized you meant BP properties.
stiff crystal
I'd be curious about that as well :p
atomic barn
@rigid shoal @stiff crystal Any properties or functions defined in a blueprint class will not be accessible from c++
stiff crystal
you could say that for any two languages really
that's why you do interop between them
getting things from c++ to bp and back is somewhat easy on ue4
atomic barn
Yes but C++ will only have access to properties defined in C++ classes.
rigid shoal
I'm just saying, you could get those BP properties.
stiff crystal
also could just declare them on c++ class and use it as BP's parent
rigid shoal
But, perhaps you shouldn't declare properties/functions in BPs anyway.
atomic barn
Yes, but the C++ parent cannot access any functions or variables that have been defined in the BP child. And will not know about any other BP defined classes
stiff crystal
in general, if you mix c++ and bp, you make sure the whole thing works together
it's not a c++'s weakness
atomic barn
I am not saying it is a weakness, you just need to be aware that you cannot access BP defined stuff with C++ code
foggy path
C++ parent cannot access the child? That seems kind of upside down anyway, no? A parent class shouldn't really know what children exist
alpine fern
seems obvious though? any embedded scripting language would be like this
tough sierra
come to think of it. a single class that spawns and repositions static meshes might be somewhat nice but it'd be better to just remove the physics engine entirely from the picture.
Mesh* mesh = getMesh("fileName.fbx");
mesh.pos = {50, 20, 30};
mesh.draw();
atomic barn
Yes, but lets say you have a BP_MyActor class defined in your project. You will not be able to use that class from any c++ class you define. You can get pointer to it, but you will only have access to properties and functions that are implemented in the c++ class it is defined from
alpine fern
how to make your game take 10 hours to start: import unprocessed assets
tough sierra
of course.
rigid shoal
You can get pretty much anything you want from that BP class from C++. It's just something you probably want to avoid.
tough sierra
or just import in whatever format would suit the engine better. and convert before hand.
alpine fern
if you have to use a bp class from c++ you just designed your system wrong
tough sierra
models and textures aren't so massive as they can't just be streamed in, or why not just comrpess them and unwrap in memory.
alpine fern
that's similar to complaining about being unable to call your game code from the core module
tough sierra
but even using the engine's format, using simple methods to manually manipulate meshes like so would be nice, without all the physics attachments.
or gc.
or without even touching UObject.
foggy path
@atomic barn ohh I see, I thought you were talking about inheritance.. I can see how that could potentially be problematic yeah
alpine fern
you can make your own physics-less mesh component if you want
tough sierra
that still has to be attached to a UObject unless I missed something. but maybe just one UObject manager of sorts would be fine.
mmm.
tidal ivy
"models and textures aren't so massive as they can't just be streamed in" - the source assets for the project I'm currently working on weight in in the terabyte range...
alpine fern
won't escape uobjects
tough sierra
jesus that's big.
tidal ivy
it's not that unusual tbh
alpine fern
hopefully using p4 so you don't have to sync all that stuff just to work on your own stuff?
tidal ivy
yeah, it's all on a central repo
and I rarely sync any source assets myself tbh
but to put it in perspective, an RGB texture at 4k is is 64MB, and an 8k texture is 256MB - a few hundred of those adds up real fast
uncompressed audio files are even worse
tough sierra
is that for terrain?
alpine fern
ye imagine if the engine gasp stored them compressed in the project
tough sierra
it'd blow my mind if high res textures like that were actually used for character models especially prop models.
atomic barn
cries in megascans
tidal ivy
characters usually have a fair number of high res textures
alpine fern
why would you have less than 4k on a character
tough sierra
why would you have 4k?
stiff crystal
why me?
alpine fern
because people see the character up close
stiff crystal
wait
tough sierra
huh thought textures past 2k were only noticeable on really large objects.
stiff crystal
you should use 16k texture through VT for your char
alpine fern
large is relative to view distance
tough sierra
this sounds like the 90 fps hype.
tough sierra
i'd only see a difference if i had the character's boot in my face.
or something like that, as in really up close.
soft night
720Hz is new thing
alpine fern
first we gotta have a gpu that can run this for any modern game
stiff crystal
but it's 1080p only
alpine fern
1080p ๐ฎ
tough sierra
mind you as gpu's get more bulky the more their latency becomes noticeable.
tidal ivy
when 4k becomes more standard, texture sizes are going to explode, heh
tough sierra
god no, i don't want to buy a couple terrabyte drives.
tidal ivy
would not be surprised if 8k and 16k textures start getting used on things
stiff crystal
texture usage have already been limited by storage media in past
tidal ivy
there has never been a console generation where the size of games did not exceed the storage medium
stiff crystal
but I guess not that more and more go digital, that won't hold for long
tidal ivy
Ark must be reaching 1Tb by now ๐
tough sierra
i'd be grateful if game devs stored textures bigger than 2k for average things in some kind of package you'd have to download.
and fork the low res stuff by default.
stiff crystal
some do that
stiff crystal
many games have high res texture DLCs
and on most it's complete waste of resourses
alpine fern
I want every wall texture to be perfectly sharp when I walk up to it as far as the game allows
stiff crystal
how big was that high res Fallout 4 texture dlc again?
tidal ivy
60GB
tough sierra
oof didn't think they could get higher res textures as is >.<
alpine fern
there was one game with a 150GB download
tough sierra
a console game maybe?
rigid shoal
I think that was the Witcher?
stiff crystal
yeah it was close to 60
rigid shoal
Wtf?
stiff crystal
but that 60 was only for the extra textures, you need the game also
foggy path
think Modern Warfare was around 150 as well?
tidal ivy
yeah, sounds about right
tough sierra
to think this drive is only 449 GB large.
stiff crystal
and yeah, around 120-150 seems to be the new standard now
rigid shoal
Why do console games take up more space?
tidal ivy
PC games usually take up more space
I'm gonna laugh when all the next gen consoles ship with 1TB drives
alpine fern
if you download this game 100 times you cost them more in bandwidth fees than they make from the sale 
tidal ivy
enough space for one game and some DLC!
rigid shoal
Perhaps I am a bit dated, but I've never seen anything near that high. Usually at most 30gb.
stiff crystal
any AAA game and it's usually huge
tidal ivy
but we're definitely cruising into the multiple 100GBs territory these days
stiff crystal
for small indie titles, they can be really tiny still
tough sierra
kind of the same but I avoid "most" AAA titles. With some few exceptions. hell mgs5 was pretty damn nice and it's no where near that big. there's no way one could see more detail than that.
tidal ivy
MGS5 was a long time ago now
tough sierra
only three years right?
alpine fern
you can see way more detail than that
tidal ivy
it's two hardware generations behind
tough sierra
need to find a comparison
can't afford to buy any more games.
this can't be the best example.
i thought the left was the 2k one
sorry right
monitor res maybe?
alpine fern
4k textures have nothing to do with 4k monitors
tough sierra
that's more a video though but yeah...
0 difference with that at least.
need to find something noticeable.
tidal ivy
does not look like a good example
alpine fern
4k monitor is pointless for games anyway
you only need that to counter taa blurriness
tidal ivy
Senua 2 is probably the best example of where we're going in terms of games rendering;
https://7images.cgames.de/images/gsgp/204/hellblade-2_6087006.jpg
though the next set of consoles won't hit that target
if a 4k monitor means I can turn off TAA, then it's pretty welcome :p
alpine fern
no one said turn off
tough sierra
there a side by side thing to look at somewhere?
tidal ivy
I'd prefer to just turn it off, TAA ghosting is horrible :/
foggy path
https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images//2017/07/max.jpg I remember when this was considered photorealistic ๐ค
alpine fern
nah
tough sierra
the face had me fooled but the hand did not.
alpine fern
flickering edges and pixels are unacceptable
foggy path
yeah tbh some of their textures hold up surprisingly well
It's Max Payne 1 for the unfamiliar
tidal ivy
TAA is far worse than flickering edges ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
when it starts fucking with foliage it's a nightmare
alpine fern
is called Terrible Anti Aliasing for a reason
tidal ivy
hehe
foggy path
Not sure about xbox, I think it was developed for PC first
tidal ivy
definitely PC first
but pretty sure it hit consoles either at the same time or soon after
tough sierra
come to think of it maybe everyone else notices a difference because their screens are bigger and of higher res.
this one tops out at 1440x900 but prefer to lower it to 1024x768.
and it's got a width of...
tough sierra
16 inch wide
alpine fern
and 34"
rigid shoal
Single 34"? Or Multiple?
alpine fern
my phone is higher res than your monitor
tough sierra
i have to be between 2 to 6 inches away from the screen to see it though.
alpine fern
and it's not even new at all
tough sierra
meaning bigger screans to a point are harder to see.
those tiny ass phone screes though
might as well be 640x480 resolution.
or slightly higher.
now if something was just inch away and had a really high resolution that'd be sweet.
rigid shoal
Why do you have to be 2 - 6 inches away? Vision problems?
tough sierra
very yes.
unfixable and not adjustable through glasses either, hand magnifiers work best.
rigid shoal
My dad is kind of the same way.
tough sierra
and please forgive my bitching about stuff getting pointlessly more detailed it's just personal limitations that to be honest end up in some annoyance when really it shouldn't.
wish i had been this age during the 90s or early 2000s though so that it'd be understandable.
rigid shoal
I don't think it's just your opinions. I think most people can't see the difference, and many probably don't even really care.
Low poly games are very popular and well liked.
foggy path
my reaction with most OH SO REAL graphics is to immediately find things that are not oh so real
tough sierra
the terrain i had was using a grass texture, the normal map was so wrong that it looked flat, fixing it yielded no difference in people's opinions. but that might be splitting hairs.
so i wish i could tell what's acceptable and what people actually notice.
stiff crystal
re: TAA ghosting
you don't need more resolution
you need less
because then you can at least in theory run the game faster framerate
movement delta will be smaller
and TAA plays nicer
alpine fern
less resolution will make the blurry edges bigger relative to your screen..
tough sierra
we should really do a study about all that and what people really notice and what bothers them.
an honest study that doesn't tell them which is what.
alpine fern
invent better solution then
alpine fern
like what
stiff crystal
TAA for parts where it works, some other AA for the rest
tough sierra
is taa that blurry effect that rust has by default?
stiff crystal
my proof of concept used FXAA for the rest but I'll try CMAA2 on next version
alpine fern
fxaa doesn't even work
stiff crystal
doesn't matter in my case how well it works
where TAA fails, things move really fast already
alpine fern
it leaves my stuff as pixely as it starts
stiff crystal
players won't notice it's bad
but they do notice ghosting and trails
of course if you have TAA issues with like, foliage, then that's different
in my use cases, it's mainly fast moving ground material in front of the camera
tough sierra
forgive me for inserting this but anyone know if there's anything this engine can do graphically that ogre3d or the forge can't?
a good list of differences would be nice ^-^
stiff crystal
everything
like, everything is better than on ogre
there's not a single thing on it that would be better
tough sierra
supposedly ogre3d has normal maps, shadows, i think reflections, does PBR from what i'm told.
tough sierra
it's still getting updates.
tough sierra
but would like some solid comparisons. their examples use low poly models.
alpine fern
a lot of obsolete open source stuff gets updates from the last 3 people who havent realized a decade has passed
tough sierra
which is why the forge looks potentially interesting but i'd like to know the factual differences instead of guessing.
to have a ground to stand on when picking rendering engines.
that looks interesting but only found out through someone else, probably not popular.
ue4 does everything out of the box but it's too much, all i'd need is rendering capability, physics and game logic and level editing can be done by hand. is even faster that way.
atomic barn
Even starting with a rendering engine like ogre or forge, a dedicated team of engineers, and a million dollar budget you will never come close feature parity with unreal
tough sierra
that's just it, the majority of those features are fluff.
assuming the situation is the same as in 2d game dev, it's just a lot faster to tie the logic together yourself.
atomic barn
I'm not sure how experienced of a developer you are but physics, game logic and level editing are going to a lot more work than it sounds
tough sierra
the physics bit one can swap out, and if it's simple enough and they need the optimizations they can make a simple one.
as a comparison a simple aabb physics engine i built for 2d way out performed box2d
but that's because it's intentionally limited.
hell i'd much rather have bullet3d as an option, would be nice.
that's just it though to prototype something all you need is a basic abstraction layer you design yourself to that specific type of game, slap in the backends mostly libs or maybe hand made if needed, swap them out as time passes and as needed and as you port. easy.
stiff crystal
ez pz
tough sierra
a prebuilt game engine like this is very awesome and all, but there's specific genres it's difficult to work in.
stiff crystal
getting game engine built by slapping different libraries together isn't rocket science
but you will lack on tooling inevitably
tough sierra
and the best part is if designed right and modular enough you can replace them with custom libs.
stiff crystal
and getting everything to play ball if you plan to release on custom platforms like consoles etc can be pain
tough sierra
that it can honestly, you'd have to re implement a lot of stuff. but the front end doesn't change.
alpine fern
imagine trying to make something that gets even half way to being close to unreals animation tools
stiff crystal
well, if you make custom engine, you don't make much of these tools
if at all
I've considered this path myself in past because I frankly don't need much of the editor tooling at all
tough sierra
honestly i'm tired of messing with character animations, using blendspaces and all is too much a time sink. with an rts for example though you don't have to worry about all that.
stiff crystal
but there isn't single open source renderer that would give anything nice enough looking for my purposes
either it's visually subpar or just bloody slow
tough sierra
^ is how it at least appears.
alpine fern
probably because the people who can make that stuff all already work at epic or unity or any of the other big engine companies lol
stiff crystal
it really just boils down to resources
tough sierra
or AAA studios that never release their rendering engines.
stiff crystal
these engines have thousands of hours of labor on each small component usually
you can't do same without huge team and years of work
tough sierra
it'd help if ue4's rendering engine was easy to separate from all the other features.
stiff crystal
you can slap your own physics, input, netcode etc to ue4 if you want to
tough sierra
i'd still pay royalty for it.
stiff crystal
it's just, if you don't integrate that stuff fully, you lose built-in tooling again
but it's totally possible
I had bullet running on ue4 myself
tough sierra
i really don't want any of the tooling though honestly. not the level editor, not the BPs, not the UObjects.
stiff crystal
and I know a guy who integrated bullet to ue4 internals too, I just ran it as a plugin on my experiment
tough sierra
nice.
tough sierra
that and i'm not a big rpg fan, but for example a really competitive rts or a top notch sandboxy/crafting game.
well there is planetside 2 which is nice
stiff crystal
for rts kinda setup you could use any engine out there
tough sierra
but making fps games is difficult because of the animations.
stiff crystal
none of them have framework that fits rts use out of the box so you'll end up doing custom systems anyway
stiff crystal
rts royale
foggy path
what was that Command & Conquer addon which was sorta like that
stiff crystal
omg, I gave that out for you guys for free
tough sierra
na there's a very hard limitation, you can't use the AI as is, the way it's networked means your limited in bandwidth and number of objects as well. you'd need to do a lot custom.
alpine fern
that's because it wasn't called battle royale
tough sierra
a multiplayer mmo rts was something i wanted to try on browser a while ago but it was supposed to be just 2d.
foggy path
battle royale battle royale... you have to play a battle royale and then they are battle royale'd together for a final winning battle royale
tough sierra
actually not really mmo
stiff crystal
it's weird world tho
tough sierra
just a really big map.
stiff crystal
like if you think how genres come and go
rts was super popular in the past
like point'n'click adventure games
I guess there's still some following on some rts games but it's quite niche
foggy path
yeah
tough sierra
i'd have to agree from personal observations.
foggy path
there's been a few point and clicks too
stiff crystal
those are mainly indie productions now
I used to play a lot of these types of games in the 90's
tough sierra
the bulk of indie rts... honestly just can't produce high unit counts to make it look chaotically fun.
foggy path
I can probably name more recent'ish point and clicks than RTS games ๐ค
I guess a good RTS is probably much harder from a technical standpoint, a point and click moreso in story and game design
tough sierra
it's probably the hardest you can get without going into mmo.
alpine fern
unity in 2025: we have 30 new technologies and if you want to use more than 3 of them at once then it doesn't work
stiff crystal
heh
tough sierra
by the way that physics engine i mentioned, I think it either pulled 12k or 20k moving rectangles per tick at 60 ticks a second. The custom AABB one. Compared to box2d which seems to cap at 2k.
stiff crystal
well, it's really only like that with preview packages
I dunno if they have any actually released packages that don't play ball together
but this thing however... https://i.redd.it/8hqgfovixn641.png
stiff crystal
depends what you do with it
tough sierra
probably.
stiff crystal
if you do some serious number crunching, there's nothing like it
but if you try to force it to avg game setup, it's not going to do that many favors for you atm
tough sierra
i find it hard to believe it would use TRUE flat arrays of objects/data though instead of an array of pointers to data.
alpine fern
of course it does that is the whole point
tough sierra
i need to play with c# more but the amount of indirection i see in anything with a gc is insane.
alpine fern
I don't get where you would be doing crazy iterating in real world game code though
tough sierra
it depends on the project.
signal citrus
They talking unity in #ue4-general 
tough sierra
factorio would be a good example probably.
stiff crystal
UE4 has GC
stiff crystal
why would we talk about Unity in on-topic channels here @signal citrus
stiff crystal
I dunno about bashing
alpine fern
factorio is not the average game
tough sierra
ue4 does have a fair bit of indirection in some weird ways... but at least c++ itself doesn't so you can get around it sometimes.
stiff crystal
I could bash every available engine out there for different things
but what good that would do
tough sierra
that's the kind of game i think is fun though. one that processes a fuckton of data.
stiff crystal
altho, one can always bash CMC a bit
alpine fern
Crappy Movement Component
signal citrus
CCMotor chyall
stiff crystal
just don't try to change it
alpine fern
Convoluted Movement Component it is
stiff crystal
or have more than few characters
tough sierra
ai running i think it was once per second on 64 bodies that were all shooting at the player was pushing the engine as is.
i could optimize more sure.
but ouch
signal citrus
Complete Movement Contraption
stiff crystal
you don't put 64 CMC based characters running around
tough sierra
ever.
alpine fern
don't they have 100 of those in fortnite
signal citrus
758
stiff crystal
you think those really are CMC based? ๐
alpine fern
they said so
tough sierra
even that's not exactly blistering high but it's still a lot better, would be nice to have that ability.
stiff crystal
Epic even redid the Paragone pawns as CMC were too heavy
terse kelp
For some reason when i finish doing the Math() function and finishing up the Ifstatement when its re-running main() everything is flickering, it looks like its running the else{} then going back to main() and looping between those 2..
atomic barn
CMC is built so you can toss it in a scene and get fps/3ps movement out-of-the-box
stiff crystal
it could be CMC based but I don't believe for a second that they haven't stripped all possible unused out of it
tough sierra
so i'm not the only one who noticed it's a bottleneck >.>
alpine fern
it even behaves exactly like the cmc with all the sliding and oddities etc
tough sierra
maybe they did one component for multiple characters somehow that had the same physics code.
err
like one component that manages all characters.
instead of one per actor.
alpine fern
just ParallelFor() the character movement
tough sierra
basically that on a beefy server yeah.
alpine fern
comment out the part where it actually moves the actor and move them all at once later
tough sierra
shrugs i've no idea how Physicsx or the internals really work, it's just often times when you can create a system that manages a bunch of objects in one go it can be optimized sometimes.
but if anyone happens to know how to slice out the graphics engine from ue4 and just use that i'd be very grateful. am on a quest to find the best graphics engines to try deving with.
alpine fern
you can't, since it's integrated with the rest of the engine
tough sierra
the scene manager seems to be at least yeah.
err the one part that determines draw order and all that.
stiff crystal
you can just not use built-in physx
and if you really need it gone, it's possible to strip it
need a custom build tho
tough sierra
i've been through that already, pretty sure it's not that, it's that there's literally a lot of crap that's just in the way and would need to be replaced anyway.
alpine fern
that would be an incredible amount of pointless work
stiff crystal
I wonder what the reason to replace it would be
because physx itself is fast
if you swap it with say, bullet.. .you'll get way worse perf on physics
tough sierra
it's more of just having the option, and if you decide to go with a pure AABB physics then it's not optimal.
actually speaking of which isn't bullet better on the cpu side when it comes to simulation?
stiff crystal
I've written own physics solvers for ue4 in past, you can do whatever you want, the engine doesn't limit you
tough sierra
things may have changed but i remember physicx only doing gpu when your using an nvidia card.
stiff crystal
nah, that's BS
alpine fern
bullet is obsolete, physx is the fastest that exists at least for now while chaos is wip
stiff crystal
like, physx has GPU mode, but it's not enabled in UE4
or Unity
there's like dozen games done in past two decades that have even gpu physx enabled
well, dozen that people have actually played
foggy path
I thought that was because the GPU mode was only compatible with Nvidia GPUs?
stiff crystal
yes
tough sierra
yeah that
alpine fern
isn't the new physx grb usable on both
stiff crystal
but on recent physx you can actually setup that gpu mode and it will automatically fallback to cpu solvers on AMD
foggy path
AMD users could just buy those old PhysX cards, they can't be that expensive anymore lol
stiff crystal
you can run stuff like nvidia flex on AMD as it runs on directcompute, but this isn't physx, it's totally different solver
I have no idea how they do these things on upcoming physx 5.0 tho
tough sierra
amd support would be nice considering the price of the cards and all.
alpine fern
much more interesting is when do we get physx 5.0
they said 2020, it's 2020, so where is it 
tough sierra
there a way to just build a module externally, then instead of running the level editor when debugging you'd just quickly run a simulation window?
alpine fern
I need the improved aggregate filtering that was implemented in that version
tough sierra
the rts genre specifically you want to be able to test quickly but don't need the level editor in the way every time.
stiff crystal
I think the PhysX 5 announcement came in a hurry when AMD got visibility with their FEMFX
stiff crystal
also doubt it's a coincidence that Bullet 2.89 just released the same time with FEM deformables as well
foggy path
soft body physics? I dunno
tough sierra
there was one engine that was doing realistic simulations to the point that you had to specify material qualities so their bends and breaks were diverse and realistic.
soft body that's it.
stiff crystal
I kinda wonder where Epic is going with chaos, like are they doing FEM for it too
I doubt they'll merge physx 5 to ue4 ever
they kinda stopped upgrading physx once 3.4 arrived
tough sierra
according to the slide i read a while ago, it offered performance benefits because it would help with with multithreading.
stiff crystal
now seem to focus on chaos
tough sierra
physics as is only does it on one thread supposedly.
tough sierra
if i remember correctly, the slide mentioned that ue4 had bottlenecks with the physicx because it was difficult to thread.
stiff crystal
but it's mostly single threaded on default
ah, but physx itself is multithreaded
accessing it is still going to happen from main thread in ue4
tough sierra
there might be a detail i was missing, probably how it interconnects with everything else.
it was a slide someone working at intel produced, since it seems that the company wants to "help ue4 along".
more/less
alpine fern
I really wonder how fast chaos will be
tough sierra
can't really even get past a couple hundred moving bodies at least assuming they are all actors.
it can't be worse than that.
stiff crystal
I really wonder when they'll get chaos together
it still kinda pains me that everyone is only looking for chaos now
tough sierra
actually i should go back and double check tick was disabled, should be though.
alpine fern
I'm just glad they deleted all those unnecessary templates on the chaos classes
stiff crystal
means there's no reason to extend ue4's physx anymore
I mean, there would be reasons but people only see chaos
tough sierra
effort and attention is limited.
alpine fern
well I'm waiting for physx 5
tough sierra
kind of the same problem with opensource.
lots of ideas, not enough people to get them finished.
tough sierra
Remind me what OSS is again?
stiff crystal
tough sierra
But speaking of UI I still need to try out imgui and see how hard it is to swap out it's rendering with something custom.
stiff crystal
it's like every OSS project agrees at beginning that they'll do everything related to user interactions their own way, bypassing commonly used conventions.. because.. reasons
tough sierra
there's conventions?
foggy path
I think it's because the average coder doesn't know anything about those topics
So they just do whatever
stiff crystal
this is why I pay to use software that actually uses commonly adapted conventions
tough sierra
i don't like messing with GUI stuff, it's all tedius.
would rather keep it simple and boring.
stiff crystal
in nutshell, I hate anything that makes me do extra work
that's what poor UX does to software
tough sierra
that's like a common theme for programmers, we all bitch about the extra work but have different skills and goals.
stiff crystal
there are amazing open source tools out there
but what good does it do if it's faster to use other tools
tough sierra
what example can you think of, gimp?
tough sierra
i main in both of those but i can't afford the other stuff, maya left a bad taste in my mouth though.
stiff crystal
such basic thing that people need
and blenders lasso select... for item lists ๐
someone really had a good imagination there I suppose
alpine fern
Garbage Image Manipulation Program
tough sierra
blender has a fuckload of tools and there' s like no way i can think of to organize it better. not saying ti can't be done better it probably could.
tough sierra
honestly i only use gimp to image edit stuff. and for that it seems perfect but haven't gotten into advanced tools, mostly deal with textures for 2d stuff or just making things seamless /transparent.
stiff crystal
but it still had same old annoyances
tough sierra
it'll probably always be counter intuitive.
stiff crystal
I still use paint shop pro for that kind of work
it's like PS lite
but there are some things that are annoyingly bugged on it
Corel really ruined that tool
tough sierra
what is it about ps that makes it so popular? never used it.
stiff crystal
I dunno, I tried to like it quite few times it didn't really do anything better for my use cases
and it's sub only now
which is main reason I doubt I'll ever touch it again unless I'm forced to bundle it with other tools
tough sierra
it seemed like gimp but with one window instead of three.
alpine fern
the "new" gimp version finally only has one window
no idea what was up with that nonsense
real palm
couldn't you dock them?
stiff crystal
also.. what's up with inkscape
again, yet another tool that has so much potential
but UX...
tough sierra
ah double checking, there a way to render the game without jumping into the level editor first?
stiff crystal
no idea what you ask now
tough sierra
i'm running on an old ass quad, it can't handle the workflow well.
stiff crystal
you'd want decent rig to use ue4
tough sierra
when you compile and debug basically, would be nice to just open a game window, and skip the level editor entirely
that way you can play test the next couple seconds instead of a full min later.
alpine fern
you can launch the editor with -game
tough sierra
interesting.
alpine fern
if you're not changing any assets or serialization then you can be extra big brain and use a non-monolithic cooked build
it will start in 1 second rather than 15
tough sierra
it's not the compiling so much as just opening the level editor, then clicking the thing to run the game.
but that combined might be interesting. i need to test this.
i don't think that did it.
it's still initializing.
alpine fern
of course it is
tough sierra
no way to just compile it to binary and quickly run as is?
guess with all the reflection stuff it wouldn't be so easy.
that took damn near 30 seconds to load up the editor oof >.<
alpine fern
the editor loads slower with every release
tough sierra
come to think of it. maybe i should make and test my logic on something else like ogre, since feedback is instant, then port it all to a plugin for ue4 to just compile once and be done with.
stiff crystal
no
I mean, it's not a good idea
just use lighter game engine to begin with if you find ue4 wait times too long and can't upgrade the rig
- you will still wait a lot even with fastest CPUs when you use ue4
tough sierra
the whole reason of using it though is for the better graphics.
real palm
What about LiveCoding?
If you're not making header changes you shouldn't run into issues
tough sierra
that only does so much, when your deving a mechanically heavy game you create, rename, and delete a lot of functions and classes.
stiff crystal
c++ and no header changes?
tough sierra
there will be header changes a loooooot.
stiff crystal
if you don't touch headers, even the old hotreload works up to some point
tough sierra
that pretty much worked fine yeah.
really though if i'm avoiding UObjects for the most part, and I load assets roughly the same (through a string), hopefully porting won't be a bitch.
or something like that.
real palm
Well, even 1:1 I find LC better than HR
tough sierra
to steal an idea, the game itself could be self contained and just spit out a string of rendering data, say draw this mesh here and there, put this light here, oh and create instances of this at these locations.
actually maybe that's how i should move forward making games.
it'd be way easier to port that way.
you feed the game input, specify the params of which input maps to what type of key, and it spits out data about what should be rendered, and maybe communicates with the physics engine in a similar way. so it's fully self contained.
alpine fern
this is how you create a very inefficient system just to have completely unnecessary modularity..
tough sierra
it'd work for 2d easy, 3d it wouldn't unless you kept your draw calls small and used a lot of instances.
so long as the buffer describing what to draw isn't too massive.
an rts though can have a few hundred moving bodies on screen at once.
lets see (3+3+3) = 9; 9*4 = 36 bytes per transform object that'd would need to be passed.
meaning to draw 500 individual moving meshes on screen you'd have to pass roughly 18,000โฌ bytes.
that's actually pretty damn small.
alpine fern
you'd need way more data than that, and rebuilding the scene every frame would be absolutely terrible for performance
tough sierra
perhaps i'm thinking too much as if it were 2d
i've never built a 3d scene manager.
real palm
If you only used UE4 to route input and as a renderer, I'd almost say just find a renderer more designed for that case and handle input yourself
But then UE4 does have a nice renderer
tough sierra
wait hold a sec.
openFrameworks absolutely could handle this input.
Not sure how it works internally but it will definitely draw whatever mesh you specify at whatever point in time at whatever position.
tough sierra
all i'd feed it is commands to draw meshes at whatever transform.
real palm
I'm so lost. I wish you the best on whatever this is.
tough sierra
like a text file holding this for example.
drawMesh(meshID, x, y, z, ect)
a list of stuff like that.
and all it would have to do is read this in, and draw the meshes at those coords.
though really i'd compress this more and make it bytecode but still.
unless i misunderstand it doesn't really need to rebuild the scene every frame.
or no that probably would count. seems worthy of testing though.
actually yeah i see the problem now, the engine wants a persistent reference of all meshes till they are destroyed, that's doable.
vapid cloak
hey guys is there any good reading material on how to โstructureโ a game. like class structure and other stuff
dreamy tapir
@vapid cloak not too sure about reading material, but if you want to look at some sample code released by Epic this can be a helpful resource: https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Resources/SampleGames/index.html
dreamy tapir
No problem, good luck! ๐
robust gulch
Eeeee i just got nitro 
north torrent
Did it hurt?
north torrent
Did it hurt getting nitro?
cursive crypt
Sounds illegal ๐ค
winter zealot
I got used to use livecoding btw, in exchange of restarting the engine everytime I modify a .h file and only modifying cpp files, it does improve things a lot... still 40seconds compiling on average on an i7 3770 and 16go ram, maybe I can improve the compiling speed with unitybuild and removing code
on more important matters lets indeed hope ppl are safe from massive fires and pandemics
pearl elk
JIT is tha f00tur3
signal citrus
Donโt think thereโs much difference between a 3770 and 6770 but may be good to upgrade to a 3700x or something with twice the cores
2012 not so old really
But yeah ddr3, there could be other things limiting your compile times
winter zealot
p@t it's 4.22.3 and i'm gonna update to 4.23 soon, as for the proc upgrade, I don't want to spend money on a processor if I don't get the compiling under 5seconds
Monsium yeah JIT compiling is awesome tech but it's great to have options for everything including native code and VMs imo
I know that there are UE4 videos showing very fast livecoding recompiles but I've no idea about what's their hardware and code size for these videos
somehow hopping they won't abandon livecoding features like they did with blueprint nativization and that they'll keep improving it, adding support for headers recompiling etc
fluid bloom
they will
๐
well I don't know
I'm just cynical about pretty much everything these days
winter zealot
they shouldn't ! ffs they've bought the company making live++, what are those good people doing then ? ๐
signal citrus
Why not 4.24.1?
pearl elk
Ive been looking into this Julia language lately and it seems to have quite a few things going for it over Python. Its got speed over Python, its not interpreted because of the JIT compiler
One of the most prominent feature requests for a future UnrealScript was a JIT compiler, there was no live coding features for that at all. Obviously modifying parameters is an engine feature but yeah even with BP you cant adjust flow wires on the fly
fathom wadi
actionscript ran on a JIT compiler. Do you want actionscript to make a return. DO YOU!?
fluid bloom
I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see scripting VMs use some sort of web assembly machines for executing code in a sandbox
fathom wadi
I'd probably expect more of a bridge into native code. The new mentality of open source means people can integrate way better than previously. No funny hooking required, no middle-man compilation. It should be one level. But then we have .NET 5.0 coming out and its gonna change everything, including UE4
signal citrus
JavaScript is jit too right?
.NET 5.0 better slow itโs role
Iโd like to see a net release break backwards compatibility
fathom wadi
yeah JS is JIT also. AS was based on that except the first 2 versions had no rules. It was like python in that the code looked like arse, but it worked.
signal citrus
Yeah I wrote more AS as a teenager than anything else lol
Flash was where it was at
fathom wadi
I did all my animations in Flash in pure code. People used to say "the editor sucks" and I was like... what notepad?
signal citrus
โMy portfolio will be entirely flash basedโ
fathom wadi
I mean obviously there was some editor setup... but once you setup the code, it was all external mostly
oh god I made a couple of pure flash portoflio sites.
signal citrus
We old lol
fathom wadi
the good thing was, I was working at an SEO company when Google decided to start trawling some flash as a test. So I made flash support meta-data for SEO purposes. I could have websites, made in flash, have all the SEO functionality that we used at the time. It was pretty cool. I was gonna start a business called Flash2Seo that helped convert old flash but then Jobs killed flash and I knew it was the end.
little did I know it would live on in Animate tho. I was impressed
signal citrus
Animate?
fathom wadi
yeah Adobe Animate is essentially Flash + HTML5/Canvas + more output instead of to SWF now
fathom wadi
me neither until about 2 or 3 months ago
I moved on and never looked back once I hit game dev
fathom wadi
ah
signal citrus
Not not jited?
fathom wadi
Just in...I'll stop you there!
signal citrus
Lol
ancient ingot
weirdos
signal citrus
You
pearl elk
not all Javascript is JIT compiled
pearl elk
we dont need emails
ancient ingot
but....its the principle of it !
pearl elk
thats like 1970s technology
signal citrus
I enjoy my internet newspapers and electronic mail just fine
pearl elk
tbh I wasnt expecting the wiki to be so barebones but it seems fast
ancient ingot
its fast cause its so barebones ?
pearl elk
maybe, some sites are slow even though theyre barebones
ancient ingot
true, but hey give some credit to the serveradmin who set it up to be nice and fast ๐
pearl elk
theres a filter here limiting emails to specified domains ๐
fathom wadi
I just saw this whilst scrolling past the Match of the Day facebook post, and for a split second....
pearl elk
must admin server admin isnt my strong suit
fathom wadi
the marketing person must have known that would have been the case. That's meant to be the BBC too.
perverts. lot of 'em
signal citrus
Ankle though
ancient ingot
๐ฎ pervs!
fathom wadi
imagine how many times he's been clonked on the ankle. I played daily at school and it happened almost every game. This guy have lived it his entire life. It's probably made of steel by now
winter zealot
p@t i only change engine versions after a while
Monsium yeah julia seems a cool language Im going to check it out
static cosmos
anyone know how to find replace the ? character in excel? If you search for ? it just returns every cell for some reason
tidal ivy
? is used to match any one character, it's a wildcard
static cosmos
So how can you find that actual character if you need to find it?
tidal ivy
~?
I believe
static cosmos
let me try
tidal ivy
might be`?
tidal ivy
an excel spreadsheet shouldn't be using wildcard characters anywhere in fields
static cosmos
I had 15000 lines I needed to search for errant ? and remove them
tidal ivy
it's bad voodoo
static cosmos
it's just a csv of names
for random names in the game. I found a free data set of like 15000 family names, but for some reason, some of them had errant ? or other odd marks in them
alpine fern
they were probably things like ' or ยด at some point and got broken by bad character encoding