Kawasaki Corelo.
#lounge
summer cedar
proud jay
for context in 2024 about 17 million BEVs were sold, while only 13 thousand FCEVs were sold
summer cedar
The improved horse.
mild gust
I want this to, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2UxtKLZnNo
proud jay
what do you mean?
mild gust
what do you mean?
She talks about her costs
On the car
She can buy hydro for it for 13 years before it will cost the same as an EV for her.
stable gull
like i said, let's just go back to using horses
proud jay
well EV second hand market is booming atm
mild gust
So if it's cheaper may be more viable
proud jay
I could buy an Ioniq 5 with 100k km for like 25k now
mild gust
Just get a tesler
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Sorry I'll stop producing
proud jay
slander
summer cedar
flander
stable gull
Everyone farts.
that's not very inclusive of ai
stable gull
now that I think about it, even the nazis were into gases
summer cedar
that's where I live
watch out! A van might show up near your street.
true, nothing reminds you of proper farting than a nazi.
proud jay
one of my favorites
stable gull
ai generated and fake
proud jay
is that the new "fake and gay"?
summer cedar
gotta ask that horse for its papers.
stable gull
is that the new "fake and gay"?
if we use "generative ai" it's a gai in short so yeah
proud jay
ah I understand now
proud jay
Troy
stable gull
Troy
troy was really advanced for its time
i imagine they probably had high real estate prices
is high real estate price correlated with advancement
summer cedar
I think you were basically given a house according to your position in those days, right?
So long as you belonged to the upper echelons of society, you would always have a house, I think.
stable gull
I think you were basically given a house according to your position in those day...
I did read there was a guy given a house for farting
it was on Wikipedia
summer cedar
might've killed a cyclops with it.
stable gull
might've killed a cyclops with it.
wdym
summer cedar
with the fart.
stable gull
with the fart.
why a cyclops, why not a diclops
summer cedar
Because Poseidon didn't sire those.
stable gull
I am definitely missing a few references
summer cedar
Cyclops were, if I remember correctly, the children of Poseidon.
stable gull
how is he related to farting houses
summer cedar
Or at least under his protection.
Well, if you killed a cyclops in those days, you'd be a big shot.
100% guaranteed a house, a big one at that.
stable gull
ah
summer cedar
So, if that guy of yours killed one with his fart...
stable gull
i think this guy was some entertainer and pleased some big guy with his fart
I think even finding a cyclops would be quite an achievement
summer cedar
You could find them all the time on TV, a while back.
stable gull
well, maybe single eyed people count as cyclops
summer cedar
There was Xena, Hercules, Percy Jackson TV shows.
stable gull
now that I think about it, is there any creature with just one eye?
I can't think of anything
stable gull
copepod genus Cyclops
is that a bacteria
summer cedar
animal
stable gull
a Copepod Cyclops.
does it walk on ground?
stable gull
that looks like monsters.inc green pea monster
summer cedar
but it's small.
stable gull
but it's small.
that's what she said
proud jay
I think you were basically given a house according to your position in those day...
if you served the military you got a piece of land at retirement
stable gull
๐ You slept with Mrs. Copepod?
that filthy microbe deserved it
stable gull
if you served the military you got a piece of land at retirement
imagine land being that cheap
summer cedar
Plus, since you were in-charge of your own security, chances are that your whole family would be compost soon enough, and the property would be recycled.
stable gull
everything is already taken though
stable gull
Plus, since you were in-charge of your own security, chances are that your whole...
hmm
I guess it's like the gmail or .com thing, every cool name / place is taken now
proud jay
Plus, since you were in-charge of your own security, chances are that your whole...
at least in Rome itself, weapons were not allowed except for the praetorian guard iirc
stable gull
what weapon did they have
proud jay
hence the impact of Caesar's alea iacta est
summer cedar
The Prets? Spathas, if I remember.
proud jay
what
stable gull
no wonder they used knives to kill ceaser
proud jay
oh the sword
summer cedar
Either Gladius or Spatha.
One of those names.
Or both.
Ah, Spatha replaced the Gladius.
Gladius was shorter.
Yeah, so spathas probably.
proud jay
they used gladius pilum and scutums aka swords javelin and shields
and sometimes daggers and spears
but the simple gladius was most common
summer cedar
Did they carry the pilums inside the city?
stable gull
was it possible to marry a rich guy and inherit land in rome?
summer cedar
I thought pila and plumbata were field weapons.
Not that you can't throw one at a rich guy.
proud jay
I'm saying what the guard used in general
not necessarily in the city
I'm not sure about that
summer cedar
Well, gotta shake down people for their allowance once in a while.
stable gull
the safety must be decent if only guards had that
summer cedar
Oi! Citizen! Gimme your money. I keep you safe!
According to Jedi: Fallen Order/Survivor, the stormtroopers did that regularly in the Empire.
proud jay
the praetorian guard pretty much ran the show
if they didn't like an emperor they just threw him out or killed him
stable gull
why do you guys know so much about rome
proud jay
I studied latin in high school and am slightly interested in it
stable gull
if they didn't like an emperor they just threw him out or killed him
we need to bring this back
raise the stakes
stable gull
Like vote of no confidence.
but if they aren't killed, it's not high stakes enough
stable gull
I remember readin Catullus in high school
who
stable gull
a roman poet
hmm
stable gull
famous for his satire
i guess he was into political puns
mild gust
Did they even know it?
stable gull
Did they even know it?
puns?
summer cedar
they probably had buns, yes.
stable gull
i am sure they had dads
mild gust
Mmmm buns
summer cedar
Bloody buns, no doubt.
proud jay
man did not hold back
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Bunny rabbit
summer cedar
because you can eat rabbits like buns.
stable gull
man did not hold back
that's pretty much a roast
proud jay
you can see why I would like him in high school
stable gull
because you can eat rabbits like buns.
hmm
mild gust
What a thing to show kids
stable gull
you can see why I would like him in high school
and i can also see why his writing survived this long
proud jay
What a thing to show kids
the ones we read in class were a little more polite
mild gust
๐ฎ
stable gull
Dieter was prepared for war
proud jay
de bello gallico
The Gallic Wars
we read it cause it's the one where he mentions that the belgians are the bravest of all the gauls
stable gull
ah, asterisk obelisk
proud jay
horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae
summer cedar
So the lot of you read it because of vanity.
stable gull
do you know what Lorem ipsum means by chance
proud jay
I remember in the first year exam we had a text that we'd never seen before that we had to translate and I was so confused cause it was about a guy and suddenly it was about a pig and a bunch of other weird shit. But turned out I was right, cause it was a witch that transformed the dude
summer cedar
Well, that's what happens when you drink magic potions and get tons of amazing strength.
Well, you can be a guy who's a pig and into weird shit.
stable gull
I remember in the first year exam we had a text that we'd never seen before that...
boar
wild boar
probably
summer cedar
these days, it's just a guy on the internet
proud jay
do you know what Lorem ipsum means by chance
it's actually not fully correct latin iirc
and it's about the importance of pain or some shit
stable gull
and it's about the importance of pain or some shit
importance of pain...
no wonder they use it for debugging text displays
mild gust
Reminds me of this, https://www.carscoops.com/2025/02/jeep-owners-complain-about-pop-up-ads-on-their-screens/
proud jay
love this shit https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ep21_KEixYU?feature=share
queen isle
Greedlus
hard edge
found a channel called China Undercover. It seems to be dedicated to criticizing China and bashing the communists
echo mulch
found a channel called China Undercover. It seems to be dedicated to criticizing...
Lol I've seen that channel, they are on my extremist list
A extremist nationalist is an extremist nationalist no matter what kind, worth keeping an eye on . From Alex Jones, to Canadian Pepper, etc
mild gust
summer cedar
Has the son never played a video game?
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Assassin creed tv series
summer cedar
Assassin's Creed paper figurines.
mild gust
Watch it be cartoon slop
summer cedar
Some anime studios in Japan are using AI, and badly at that, now.
They just want to overcome the worker burnout, shortage, and higher wage demands.
mild gust
It's in everything now
summer cedar
It's ghastly to see even the working artists not bother to clean up the AI images.
mild gust
It's a matter of time before they start taking blue collar jobs.
Construction is next in the line to go
Robots can do more unsafe work
So it just makes sense
summer cedar
No worries. Just use the right toothpaste and you can make video games better.
fair root
Robots are very expensive
John Neumann remains correct so far
Humans are much cheaper
Most jobs are safe
Jobs disappear usually for a totally different reason
summer cedar
Robots are expensive only because we don't mass produce them.
Look at roombas. They are so cheap now.
But they used to be expensive.
Once we get a proper robot template down and it proves to be reliable, you'll see mass production and plummeting prices.
As for replacing people, we like to paint with a broad brush. Neither the complete replacement enthusiasts, nor the only-human groups are correct in this regard. Yes, people are being replaced. No, not everyone is being replaced. It's somewhere in the middle, based on sectors, industries, types of jobs, etc. etc.
mild gust
Robots are *very* expensive
John Neumann remains correct so far
Humans are much ...
How are humans cheaper?
You buy a robot once
You have to pay a human weekly
or bi-weekly
If you buy a 50k robot
It's typically cheaper than buying a worker.
summer cedar
If your company collapses in one week/month, robots are more expensive. ๐
mild gust
summer cedar
Did Unity send you here to spai on us?
summer cedar
๐จ
summer cedar
are you a plant rendered with nanite foliage?
mild gust
are you a plant rendered with nanite foliage?
Better
mild gust
I am lumen GI with megalights and hw raytracing
fair root
Depends which kind of robot
The research-level one that can do what a person can do is quite expensive
Only the dog ones finally got cheaper
Industrial equipment is also quite expensive
Requires maintenance, insurance
Your company also appears smaller than it really is
Larger companies have advantages in getting contracts
But none of that is the main issue
Social skills on a team and ease of working with, such that the product that generates revenue actually gets done, for most large firms, is the main issue
summer cedar
That's just painting with a broad brush.
as I said before, there won't be any total replacement.
That's a nightmare propagated by the anti-AI groups.
mild gust
There will always be a need for people
summer cedar
What IS happening is that people companies don't want are being culled.
People they like are being retained. It's as simple as that.
mild gust
Did you see intel laid off a bunch more people
summer cedar
Social skills, culture, blah blah are just excuses for 'We don't like you.'
summer cedar
As a boss, why would I want to work with you if I don't like you?
Of course, I can't come out and say that, because some dumb law prohibits me from 'discrimination'.
So, I'll come up with lame excuses like, 'you don't fit' or whatever, but the reality is I prefer working with AI instead of 'insert person's name'.
That's it.
mild gust
As a boss, why would I want to work with you if I don't like you?
Because your cheap labour
summer cedar
No one, except bad businessmen, are looking to totally phase out their entire workforce.
And when it doesn't work out, they hire humans back.
But, they won't hire in the same numbers as before.
mild gust
If I could get chat gpt to have the role of like 4 people I would
summer cedar
So, it's a lot more than 'everything is going to hell' or 'nothing is happening' perspectives.
summer cedar
Because your cheap labour
Right. That WAS the case before.
But, now, I can replace you with AI.
Depending on the sector, blah blah.
mild gust
I'm waiting for kitchens to replace cooks
summer cedar
We are getting there, slowly.
There's a complex robot (ceiling mounted) that is capable of handling an entire kitchen's chores.
Including cleaning, fetching supplies, cooking, etc.
mild gust
mild gust
CaliExpress by Flippy in Pasadena, California has created a concept that it says allows it to offer premium Wagyu blend burgers for the masses at traditional burger price points through the use of advanced robotic kitchen technology.
summer cedar
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/intel-layoffs-25000-rto-20786261.php
To be expected, right? In the automobile industry, a lot of the processes are already automated.
Why shouldn't fabricators go the same way?
mild gust
Because why not
summer cedar
What I want are robot accountants.
So they can file my international sales taxes. ๐
fair root
"Just give me laboratory wagyu, bro." ๐ฏ
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summer cedar
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-create-first-3-d-printed-wa...
The stem cell version is probably cheaper... for now.
mild gust
Japan way ahead
summer cedar
Also made in Japan. ๐
mild gust
summer cedar
Yep.
But honestly, I'd be happier if they created meal pills.
Priorities first. Give us the thrice-a-day pills, so everyone can forget malnutrition.
summer cedar
Totally. 3D printed pizza ftw on demand.
Like, we already have those meal-substitute milkshakes, but they have a 4 hour limit on them.
fair root
"Japan way ahead" Nice paper find ๐
Reposted in my server
summer cedar
I want a 6-hour meal pill with the works.
fair root
Dragon Ball
mild gust
fair root
Robert Heinlein had a paper in Scientific American about Cooking In The Future
"You just put everything in the microwave" (paraphrase)
summer cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9U2ekOVL5Q
Dude, I love Masterchef Australia.
They have totally changed cooking shows forever.
Bright, enthusiastic, vibrant lighting and personas. Pretty food! ๐
mild gust
You wanna see some bad cooking?
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Influencers cook ๐
One of them thought wheat was gluten free
I couldn't stop laughing
summer cedar
I love Marco Pierre White and now, John Christoffe.
mild gust
Bulgur wheat in particular.
summer cedar
John is AMAZING as a human being, at least on TV.
summer cedar
I couldn't stop laughing
It's right up Gordon's alley. He can spend his time screaming at people.
fair root
Bright, enthusiastic, vibrant lighting and personas. Pretty food! ๐
"Pretty food"
I post pretty food. Check out the food channel here lol : >
summer cedar
BUT, even Gordon likes Masterchef Australia better.
fair root
Big plate small food
summer cedar
In fact, I read he asked for the British shows to be changed to follow the Aussie format.
mild gust
Wow
summer cedar
ok
summer cedar
Wow
Yeah. But it's proving to be difficult. Turns out a lot of that awesomeness in Masterchef AU comes from the Aussie nature.
At least that of the hosts, producers, and food lovers there.
mild gust
It's okay it won't be Australia for much longer
summer cedar
It's okay it won't be Australia for much longer
Actually, a lot of the good chefs there are now Asian and Chinese.
mild gust
What
summer cedar
Yeah.
mild gust
But there's many more asians.
summer cedar
There are some really good Sri Lankan cooks there.
Some Vietnamese, but not as many.
mild gust
Taiwanese
summer cedar
But the Chinese cooks have the Hats (like Michellin stars).
summer cedar
Taiwanese
Not sure. At least the ones I've seen are more from Hong Kong.
But those are the successful ones, with the famous restaurants.
mild gust
Not sure. At least the ones I've seen are more from Hong Kong.
Welp at least here in Canada
Theres restaurants
For now
summer cedar
But yeah, I love the vibrant atmosphere.
You just don't find it elsewhere, at least on TV.
The hotel I go to frequently has similar lighting, but it's not bright enough.
mild gust
Need more megalights
summer cedar
Totally.
And more positive cooks.
When you see that kind of stuff in that environment...
It's all just ๐
Surprisingly, it's made me want to cook too.
I was never interested in the kitchen before that.
mild gust
Totally.
The lady with the blue scarf sells products that she claims are gluten free but have wheat in them
mild gust
Yeah just face it
Sometimes I just shove my face into a cats body just to have a reaction
summer cedar
eggjactly.
I might eventually move to Melbourne and live with a crocodile, just to be in that environment.
OR endeavour to make that environment here. ๐
mild gust
I'll be living it up in Taiwan
summer cedar
What about Taiwan do you like?
mild gust
What's not to like
summer cedar
No, I mean what specifically do you like the most?
summer cedar
which part? be specific.
mild gust
I want to see the National Palace Museum
Has more than 650k items in it
From Chinese culture
Only 10k on display at a time usually but
Would be cool to see the rotations
mild gust
I love history so
That and I want to try more of the food
Plus the images I've seen of the landscape makes me want to go.
Dumplings yes please
Themed restaurants too
Would be sick to see
A jail-themed restaurant where they handcuff you to the table.
summer cedar
Fusion Han! ๐
summer cedar
Have you ever wondered what WH40k food would be like?
mild gust
No
summer cedar
THE EMPEROR'S CUISINE! ๐ โ
mild gust
If I had to even stomach corpse starch once I would probably die
summer cedar
๐
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cursive crypt
mild gust
Lol these people need a life
Go censor music or something
If your so hurt.
Literally songs on spotify that talk about the same things they are trying to ban now.
Not to mention how many songs about someone being suicidal or wanting to kill themselves.
Media constantly glorifies death and sex.
proud jay
is this a mod of osrs or os is this runescape 1?
mild gust
classic server
proud jay
nice
summer cedar
It's the private island.
proud jay
"tutorial" island
summer cedar
with a large pointer to show you around.
mild gust
Like the game "I am Jesus Christ"
There's also this game, https://store.steampowered.com/app/2328280/Christs_Revenge__Ascension/
It looks so bad
None of the assets blend
proud jay
seeing how it says an 8K 7D IMAX Jesus experience, I assume it's satire
proud jay
was looking like Assassin's Christ there at the start
summer cedar
seeing how it says an 8K 7D IMAX Jesus experience, I assume it's satire
You know that's how God defeated the Devil, right?
proud jay
not in a Metal off?
summer cedar
No. The devil attacked with a 640px resolution and God just increased the resolution to 4k.
Devil became small and God squished him.
mild gust
Is that what they teach in the new testament now
summer cedar
The crypto testament.
errant raven
Do I roll x10 for horse girls, or support cards
mild gust
Omg ofc you're playing that game.
errant raven
Yes, it's fun
mild gust
How
errant raven
Rolled for more pony girls
cursive crypt
Do I roll x10 for horse girls, or support cards
Is that some waifu gacha? ๐ค
errant raven
The horse girl gacha game
cursive crypt
Not judging, enjoy
errant raven
That was the worst x10 roll I ever did in a gacha game
Good thing about this is it doesnt take long to get the currency back to roll again
I did get the featured pony girl for the current banner tho
mild gust
Is that some waifu gacha? ๐ค
I only know about it because Acerola covered it in a video.
cursive crypt
The horse girl gacha game
I thought you are joking, but no.
summer cedar
Uma Musume is quite nice.
In fact, they even raised money for one of the eponymous horses in Japan.
I think I posted the article here a while ago.
Basically, one of the girls in the game is named after the greatest loser racing horse in Japan.
And gamers contributed heavily to its retirement fund.
So......
mild gust
Horse dead?
mild gust
Oh
summer cedar
now at least, with tons of money.
mild gust
Thought they became glue
summer cedar
One of the best jockeys in Japan even tried riding her for one last race, but she lost anyway.
Goes to show, even losers can be winners... eventually.
Here.
errant raven
I have that horse girl
mild gust
What don't you have
errant raven
She shows up too often in the pulls
errant raven
"Can you correct my grammar in this prompt, its causing gpt to give weird code"
soft night
vibecoin the ultimate coin?
mild gust
Everything about it 100% vide coded
proud jay
I think you're missing the joke
he's sharing the url to register, but it's his localhost
sorry for explaining if you did get it
you're welcome bestie
mild gust
Smh my head
errant raven
This game is actually great
Shouldve played it sooner
No idea what the hell I'm doing, I'm just clicking and getting free shit. But it's fun
proud jay
This game is actually great
what game?
proud jay
No idea what the hell I'm doing, I'm just clicking and getting free shit. But it...
never go to Vegas
errant raven
Games f2p
proud jay
what game
errant raven
Umamusume
proud jay
ah
errant raven
Finally a mobile game that doesnt force me to watch ads
mild gust
Yet
proud jay
Yeet
proud jay
horses take up a lot of space
stable gull
https://soranews24.com/2025/07/18/donations-pouring-in-from-foreign-uma-musume-f...
why is this horse so popular
summer cedar
why is this horse so popular
I explained in the posts above that one.
It's a loser horse.
I'll put it in simple words. It's worse than Ambulance.
soft night
so is it windus horse what steal other horses powers?
stable gull
why does such a loser have so much love? is it sympathy?
summer cedar
Pretty much.
In Japan, they don't care about winning and losing, so much as about effort.
That horse never gave up.
stable gull
that's pretty nice mindset yes
winning and losing is relative
there's always a better horse, just not in your race
soft night
stable gull
a beaver
proud jay
talking about rich losers
did you see Tesla granted Elon 30 billion pay package lol
that's more than the profit over the entire lifetime of the company afaik lol
stable gull
did you see Tesla granted Elon 30 billion pay package lol
isn't that basically elon granting himself
summer cedar
Did he get that through court?
stable gull
why do graphics cards have 60 at the end of their names
proud jay
isn't that basically elon granting himself
no, shareholders have to agree
he has 15% of the shares
stable gull
no, shareholders have to agree
so what did he do that made them agree
stable gull
https://tenor.com/view/marmot-cute-rodent-hyrax-dumb-gif-17365150898881609830
it looks angry
stable gull
my guess is elon promised them some small % of commision for passing that
proud jay
I don't think so
they know most of the company's value comes from the hype built by him
now they want to "incentivize" him to focus on tesla again
it's a shitshow though
stable gull
so he is a mascot...
proud jay
yep
stable gull
I think tesla should ditch elon
I kind of don't like him and would avoid buying products of tesla because of elon
proud jay
I think it would be better for the company
but also I think the stock would collapse tbh
stable gull
because panic yeah
stable gull
well, the objective of for profit companies is money so yeah
actually even not for profit companies gain profit through others so
how old is elon
what will happen to tesla once he dies
my guess is he is 64
okay he is 54
i was off by one digit
Elon Reeve Musk
I didn't know he wasn't just elon musk
proud jay
well, the objective of for profit companies is money so yeah
this isn't profit though, it's market cap
errant raven
My horse girls are getting more powerful
Pulled a duplicate 3 star, now I got a 4 star
Maxed out some cards, gotta pull them to uncap their levels and go higher
summer cedar
@proud jay @mild gust https://japantoday.com/category/politics/japan-says-us-promises-to-fix-double-tariff-oversight - Those poor people getting royally screwed.
proud jay
US really is a joke
median wraith
GPT 5 talks in spanish now like if had some kind of issue
kinda like me typing english
summer cedar
GPT 5 was probably trained on Trump.
soft night
hev5 talks was so good it power unlimited power of hevedy suit
it bring halflife 3 4 5 6 7 and so on
cursive crypt
Sonic, the redhog?
cursive crypt
oh, wow, that was an ultra hd difference then
runic lodge
man, I really love this character
summer cedar
It's not an overly difficult game, actually.
Once you find your groove, things just flow.
I think the balancing in Lies of P has been well done. It's never punishing, but just enough to keep you going back for more.
proud jay
I did die once cause I don't have the dodge timing down yet
summer cedar
The atmosphere is nice though. I love the setting of the game.
proud jay
it reminds me of bloodborne
not as good though
but still nice so far
but nothing beats the bloodborne atmosphere
summer cedar
Bloodborne was the first souls-game right?
summer cedar
Ah, right. Demon Souls.
proud jay
they made BB between DS 2 & 3
well I guess Miyazaki didn't work on 2
so he did it between 1 and 3 I guess
summer cedar
You can always move to civilised places.
Lords of the Fallen was a disappointment, though.
I liked how the original played a bit, but the remaster felt off.
white oxide
the US military is the biggest money maker off suffering "your disability is not service related"
summer cedar
didn't it release like 2023?
I think the 2023 one was a re-release of the 2014 one.
I might be wrong though.
Oh, it was a successor.
Well, that explains it. No wonder the sequel was terrible. ๐
white oxide
proud jay
random ass tiktok compilation
white oxide
no clue
echo mulch
You can always move to civilised places.
A lions den. A place with humans is a place with humans.
echo mulch
There are countless ways to say this from wise folks here and everywhere, but I agree.
white oxide
but its worth learning early in life
because no one will make peace for you
its something you find yourself
why im planning my garden with such detail
echo mulch
Well gardening is a practice. But double so I agree.
Especially as someone who often asks,"well who told you it was a weed?".
white oxide
tbh most stuff isnt really a weed
its all dependent on what you want from the specific area
im working on building a nice space
LOTS of spirea, cape plumbago, asiatic jasmine, frogfruit, and TONS of redbuds and this new zealand tree ive yet to fully identify
it grows fast, solid sun cover, but the only downside of that tree is that its a litterbug
also grows super fast
the original 2 trees we got are 8 years old and 20+ feet tall
and do surprisingly well in texas
summer cedar
and do surprisingly well in texas
But what will you do when the cats eat all the garden herbs and become fly-by-night alchemists?
summer cedar
Don't tell animal welfare that.
white oxide
why? around here its technically a fine to have outdoor cats
summer cedar
really?
white oxide
yeah
summer cedar
wow wee.
white oxide
they are quite a problem for the environment in large numbers
and especially if they breed
summer cedar
I am still Spanish, according to Tim.
echo mulch
and especially if they breed
That's crazy. The only thing I agree about that statement with is humans. Since every single cat or dog you've seen is a human creation. Obviously, not meaning things like coyote or bobcats.
echo mulch
Every place I've ever lived in the US has feral colony protectorates, like myself here in Chicago.
white oxide
housecats are infinitely closer to their wild ancestors than any pet dog is
echo mulch
No, lol not kinda my friend. Every dog or cat breed you've seen is a product of human breeding.
white oxide
yes to a degree, as i said
cats arent really domesticatable because we havent been trying nearly as hard or as long as we have with dogs
cats are a cohabitator with humanity
we arent resource competitors
and we arent space competitors
unborn lotus
No, lol not kinda my friend. Every dog or cat breed you've seen is a product of ...
then why. why people grow lions or tigers from cubs and they act exactly like a house cat (most of the time)
echo mulch
then why. why people grow lions or tigers from cubs and they act exactly like a ...
Well you kinda said why
white oxide
because the mentality of cats big or small is pretty much the same
echo mulch
cats arent really domesticatable because we havent been trying nearly as hard or...
This is what I meant sorry:
"The breeds of dogs and cats we see today are a result of human controlled selective breeding, but this process was" applied to species that had already been domesticated from their wild counterparts.
I mean other than the wild counterparts some people still keep.
white oxide
yes, "domestic short/medium/longhair" is the "mutt" breed of cats, but thats mostly because weve moved them around the world so much, that wild small cat breeds kinda got blended
and because cat pedigree matters less to most than dog pedigree
echo mulch
Depends what circles you're in lol
white oxide
i mean we did sort of selectively breed them, but cats were done to a vastly lesser extent than dogs
echo mulch
Chicago is a pretty big cat and dog loving mutually place.
white oxide
mostly because we kept cats more for varmit control than "pets" in the direct sense than dogs
and we only weeded out the majority of hostility
not like dogs which we breed for specific tasks
echo mulch
See I don't agree with that line of thinking when it comes to domestication or befriending an animal.
Mostly because of the idea that intrinsic to selective breeding in and of itself.
white oxide
like huskies for hauling, and greyhounds for speed hunting
echo mulch
Yeah, I see that but I also know many huskies who unless they are brutally trained like some sort of soldier who are goofy instead because their personality was allowed to come out.
white oxide
yeah
echo mulch
Lwa, my cat who sings and does parkour off of the walls, was likely put outside by somebody who wanted her to be what they forced their other animals to be.
white oxide
but they will absolutely go nuts if left with nothing to do
white oxide
cause im a stolid sort
echo mulch
It's rarer gem then it should be to I just have a good conversation covering a bunch of topics
white oxide
but yeah cats here are required by law to be kept inside, and punishable by a fine
though most of the time its not held up as a fine
echo mulch
Oh okay
white oxide
like the whole law of "turn signal at 100 feet before turning"
echo mulch
I was like where is some place enforcing that
white oxide
if the shelter/animal control picks them up you get a fine
but if they kinda just stick around and dont get animal controled then no one fines you
tbh i dont think the local cops even know its a law to enforce
but its part of the contract when you adopt locally
echo mulch
On base in Ft Lewis, there was a base commander who tried to make oral sex illegal and enforce it, due to cannibal laws or something crazy.
echo mulch
if the shelter/animal control picks them up you get a fine
Now that's different, I'm okay with that.
Especially if they have to feed and shelter your fur baby
white oxide
also your baby has to make themselves a menace for animal control to get involved
echo mulch
Lol
white oxide
the local control guys (theres 4 in this town) spend most of their time putting down coyotes, and dragging skunks out from under houses
if you call them for a cat, 99% of the time they show up, wander for 10 minutes and give up
not as big a problem and the most they will do is set a live trap
then regret whatever they actually catch
white oxide
nope
stable gull
true
stable gull
this isn't profit though, it's market cap
... I don't know finance well enough to understand that
summer cedar
... I don't know finance well enough to understand that
basically the value of the shares owned by shareholders of the company.
Market cap is the total value of the company in shares.
stable gull
Market cap is the total value of the company in shares.
so.. they gave away resources meant for company? or they gave away their own money?
well, shares
summer cedar
so.. they gave away resources meant for company? or they gave away their own mon...
The way it usually works is:
- A company earns gross revenue.
- A company pays taxes, expenses, salaries, management bonuses, etc. out of this gross revenue.
- Whatever remains is net revenue.
- Net revenue is distributed to the shareholders, whether in the form of dividends or any other way.
- When you pay more money in bonuses to your management, there's less to be shared with the shareholders.
As Dieter says, if Tesla's shares are overvalued, that means people are expecting much higher growth in the future - which they believe will translate to higher share values.
But, if you pay a LOT to your management instead, then there's less to give your shareholders. Consequently, shareholder confidence in the company's shares will drop. They will eventually sell the shares, causing a crash in the company's share value. That means, investors will lose a lot of money.
Now, I am skipping details in that explanation, but that's the gist.
stable gull
The way it usually works is:
1. A company earns gross revenue.
2. A company pays...
okay i understand this message, that's well simplified
summer cedar
You are a cat, how do you read?
stable gull
As Dieter says, if Tesla's shares are overvalued, that means people are expectin...
but here, what does "overvalued shares" mean
summer cedar
๐ฑ
stable gull
does this mean elon counts as management here
and shareholders gave up their earnings?
summer cedar
but here, what does "overvalued shares" mean
Overvalued shares mean that BECAUSE people have HIGH expectations of Tesla's profitability (revenues) in the future, they have agreed to buy the shares of the company (or have already bought) at a MUCH HIGHER PRICE than it is actually worth.
For example, you are selling me cat ๐ฉ at 100% of its value, but I agree to pay you 150% because I think cat ๐ฉ will be an amazing thing in the future.
stable gull
You are a cat, how do you read?
with my whiskers
summer cedar
does this mean elon counts as management here
cojject.
So, the actual value of cat ๐ฉ is still 100%, but the market says it is 150% because I bought it from you for that much higher price.
stable gull
Overvalued shares mean that BECAUSE people have HIGH expectations of Tesla's pro...
and that amount goes to management or other shareholders?
the new buyer's money
summer cedar
and that amount goes to management or other shareholders?
Not THAT money. The money paid by shareholders is the CAPITAL of the company. That is used for conducting business (officially).
The REVENUES earned (in this case, from selling cars) goes to the management and everything else I said before.
So if I, the shareholder, get a smaller share of the revenues because the management gets a bigger package, I'll lose confidence in the company.
Then, I'll sell the shares or the market price of the shares will drop due to dropping reputation/demand, etc.
Which means, the cat ๐ฉ I purchased from you at 150% cannot be resold for 151% or even 120%. I lose a lot of money, since the price drops badly.
stable gull
so they gave elon the money that would've gone to shareholders?
summer cedar
yep.
stable gull
shareholders agreed to that?
summer cedar
It's par for course.
The problem is the AMOUNT.
Shareholders always agree to pay a certain pay package and bonuses to management.
It's the 'commission for managing our money and giving us more profits' charges.
stable gull
are they confident that share prices won't drop even after this?
summer cedar
This is an excellent question.
Please find a cat and prepare a rectal exam.
stable gull
Shareholders always agree to pay a certain pay package and bonuses to management...
okay this sounds really shady
summer cedar
are they confident that share prices won't drop even after this?
They are not. That's why a shareholder opposed the pay package in court.
I haven't followed this story in months, so I don't know how it turned out eventually.
I do know that his pay package was blocked by a Texas court, I think.
stable gull
why did elon take this much amount? is he planning to invest in something?
summer cedar
okay this sounds really shady
No, it's not. Think of it as a boss signing a paycheck.
stable gull
isn't tesla being in bad position bad for elon too?
summer cedar
why did elon take this much amount? is he planning to invest in something?
He believes this is what he deserves because of the effort he put in.
summer cedar
isn't tesla being in bad position bad for elon too?
Not really. A company and its management/owners are separate entities, by law.
This is called 'limited liability'.
stable gull
No, it's not. Think of it as a boss signing a paycheck.
hmm
so the management and shareholders have variable salaries depending on profit
summer cedar
hmm
so the management and shareholders have variable salaries depending on profi...
Shareholders do not have salaries. They have shares, which they can sell and buy hopefully for a profit.
They do decide the management's salaries, yes.
Shareholders are the ultimate boss, per law.
Management can either ALSO be shareholders, or merely appointed by them.
stable gull
This is called 'limited liability'.
so you mean elon can just start something else if tesla fails..
summer cedar
so you mean elon can just start something else if tesla fails..
Eggjactly.
Limited liability basically says, "If your company fails, you are NOT responsible for paying the losses to creditors. Take your share of the money and go."
However, other forms of businesses do not have that privilege.
For example, I run a proprietorship - a shop.
If my shop collapses, I am RESPONSIBLE PERSONALLY to pay the debts.
stable gull
Shareholders do not have salaries. They have shares, which they can sell and buy...
wait so they don't get anything until they sell?
summer cedar
wait so they don't get anything until they sell?
Eggjactly. The capital they gave the company is an investment.
They expect the management to run the company in a way that raisese the share price, thus giving them a future profit.
There are some other ways to get money for them, but I'll skip that.
stable gull
Limited liability basically says, "If your company fails, you are NOT responsibl...
wait so are they planning to sink tesla and take what they can
summer cedar
wait so are they planning to sink tesla and take what they can
No. Of course not. Elon loves Tesla making him money as much as his shareholders.
My point is that if Elon gets this big pay package, it becomes HIS money.
He doesn't lose it even if Tesla falls. That's why management gets big pay packages. It's their share for making the company flourish.
stable gull
They expect the management to run the company in a way that raisese the share pr...
giving that much to elon sounds quite ridiculous if that's true
summer cedar
Shareholders get share sales profits; management gets big perks, all the big boys are happy.
buried under the roof.
summer cedar
giving that much to elon sounds quite ridiculous if that's true
Eggjactly. That's why the idea was sued in court.
The first Texas court overruled the bonus package.
I am not sure what happened after that.
stable gull
The first Texas court overruled the bonus package.
what does overruled mean
summer cedar
You know you could just google that. ๐
It means refused the package, in this case.
stable gull
You know you could just google that. ๐
discord closes if i switch to google
stable gull
It means refused the package, in this case.
so they were also not okay with elon getting that package?
summer cedar
When I read about the story, that was the case.
I know he appealed, but I am not sure what happened after that.
He also moved his company from Texas to... somewhere, I forget.
stable gull
On what basis did he appeal?
summer cedar
That it was his company and he had the right as a majority shareholder (or some such) to approve the package.
stable gull
actually, on what basis was he sued
because the way you said it, any amount seems okay to give to management
summer cedar
He was sued on the basis that the pay package was disproportionately large (compared to industry standards) and that it was detrimental to shareholder interests.
stable gull
hmm
summer cedar
because the way you said it, any amount seems okay to give to management
correct.
stable gull
so i guess elon would win this case
summer cedar
HOWEVER, the system assumes the shareholders will NOT approve an amount that screws themselves.
This is true. ๐
stable gull
if I was running such a huge company, I'd also think it was fair pay
summer cedar
so i guess elon would win this case
I don't know what happened thereafter.
stable gull
HOWEVER, the system assumes the shareholders will NOT approve an amount that scr...
yeah that's weird, are the shareholders actually elon musk in disguise
summer cedar
๐
Actually, the majority shares are owned by Elon and his brother, if I remember.
The public owns something like 49%... I think.
stable gull
you said 15% was elon
stable gull
he has 15% of the shares
it was dieter
summer cedar
He's probably right.
I haven't followed the story.
But, I remember there's a brother there.
stable gull
then the brother has 35%
summer cedar
No idea.
stable gull
that would mean elon+ brother + random clueless shareholders can equal majority
is the paycheck decided by majority vote or what
summer cedar
is the paycheck decided by majority vote or what
cojject.
They hold an Annual General Meeting, where such details are decided.
If you buy shares in any company, you'll get invitations to e-vote (at least in India).
stable gull
that sounds like a waste of money
summer cedar
which part?
stable gull
They hold an Annual General Meeting, where such details are decided.
this
stable gull
If you buy shares in any company, you'll get invitations to e-vote (at least in ...
if it's online that's okay
summer cedar
this
No. It is necessary. Otherwise, your management will quit and go to manage other companies.
Also, shareholders are there to see the earnings reports, discuss plans, etc.
It's not a five minute affair.
Usually, it takes four hours to a whole day.
stable gull
is the earning really that high
summer cedar
Then, the big wigs meet and greet, etc. etc.
stable gull
for the shareholders
summer cedar
for the shareholders
oh bloody yes. ๐
stable gull
oh bloody yes. ๐
now i just feel sad for the low level fixed salary workers
summer cedar
of course.
echo mulch
Duck and Weave sorry was taking care of my fur babies, plant babies, fish and mollusks.
summer cedar
Why do you think Robert Kiyosaki wrote Rich Dad, Poor Dad?
His whole point was that rich people are rich because of their mindset.
soft night
summer cedar
They know how to make money make money. ๐
summer cedar
It certainly is food for thought.
echo mulch
Food
summer cedar
To not get lost in finance talk, subscribe to a financial newspaper.
echo mulch
I should eat some
summer cedar
You just need to read good analysis and you pick up the important bits.
stable gull
To not get lost in finance talk, subscribe to a financial newspaper.
they seem to assume i already know most of it
stable gull
I should eat some
same
summer cedar
well, you have Google to explain the tough bits, but mostly, that's definitions of words.
echo mulch
To not get lost in finance talk, subscribe to a financial newspaper.
Perplexity is good for a news synopsis.
stable gull
well, you have Google to explain the tough bits, but mostly, that's definitions ...
anything you recommend to read
stable gull
Perplexity is good for a news synopsis.
Actually i should ask ai for explaining hard things
i can keep making it dumb it down till it makes sense
echo mulch
I like pulling it up to ask for references while I'm watching town halls and such.
summer cedar
anything you recommend to read
I don't think you live in India, so my recommendations might not apply to you.
Here, I subscribe to LiveMint, which has excellent articles.
echo mulch
Actually i should ask ai for explaining hard things
You're smart enough to know you need to look a bit further ๐
summer cedar
Standard google or AI is actually fine for definitions and stuff, whichever you can access faster.
When you start investing, then you use professional sites.
stable gull
I don't think you live in India, so my recommendations might not apply to you.
H...
i do
summer cedar
Because you need to read financial reports.
stable gull
ha
summer cedar
My mum? So, you're saying I am a half-half-demi-god game dev? ๐
Then my games will be successful even if they only have 1px.
mild gust
@celest musk Leartes made a game, https://store.steampowered.com/app/3561900/The_Roast__Coffee_Shop_Simulator/
summer cedar
That's pretty!
mild gust
Is it stealing the stars energy?
summer cedar
I remember reading about this sort of occurrence in real space. I forget why, but it has something to do with gravity, asteroid chunks being ripped out of the dominated planetary body and sucked in to the dominating celestial.
That vacuum cleaner effect causes a stream to be created, which looks like this.
I have forgotten why that happens, like the circumstances in which this can take place.
celest musk
<@280376753363353600> Leartes made a game, https://store.steampowered.com/app/35...
10/10 title
would roast Laertes again
here comes the first.... guess why it's stylized and not realistic!
celest musk
how much do you have to pay to work there?
mild gust
My lifes soul
proud jay
allright then
mild gust
Sounds scary
celest musk
show us yourself being cute
summer cedar
Is it stealing the stars energy?
found it. from Nasa.
proud jay
show us yourself being cute
waiting for it to happen
summer cedar
do you wanna see my baby being extremely cute
where pic?
summer cedar
Aside from how cute he is, I must say that he looks like a novice tech priest of Mars.
minus the requisite augmentations by the grace of the Omnissiah.
proud jay
definitely the vibe I was going for
celest musk
wait, wasn't that NYC bundle also from Laertes?
mild gust
Yup
celest musk
because as a matter of fact, i'm right now fixing some gaps in the meshes...
mild gust
๐ฎ
celest musk
this gap in the doorframe
mild gust
Ew
celest musk
it's those little things... which they have in pretty much every asset you look closer at ๐
mild gust
PackDevs quality has dropped a lot to
mild gust
I bought one of his recent packs recently and it looked like mostly AI generated crap
celest musk
hm, but that's nothing new ๐
mild gust
Lol
To be fair it was cheap
So I'm not mad
I'll still get use out of most of it
Cleaning a room who does that
celest musk
from 230 down to 14 boxes and the interior is still walkable...
that's just the real cost of buying their stuff -_-
mild gust
Unoptimized slop
errant raven
15 hours later I'm finally done playing the horse game for the day
Played so long I got daily login bonus twice in one sitting
median wraith
That took me 3 months
The final result you see can be done in 1 minute
without code anything
time to fill stadiums bob
it's a simple material, you can make your own baked ones and use as instances
all characters, chairs etc come with a function you can reuse to have random atlas textures for the same instance
I bet this should be able to fill an stadium correctly
@trail ore
goodbye bitrate
can handle x6 more
mild gust
Time to make a racing game
median wraith
but there is a lot
zinc goblet
oh my
proud jay
<@579023506935644172>
nice background music
median wraith
yeah I didn't know had it XD
mild gust
"A surreal landscape at dusk, the sun barely touching the horizon, casting long, eerie shadows across a quiet forest. The scene evokes the feeling of nyctophobia the fear of the encroaching darkness. Faint silhouettes of trees stretch like claws, and the sky is tinged with deep purple and crimson. A lone figure stands frozen at the edge of the woods, bathed in fading light, hesitant to step into the dark. Mist creeps along the forest floor, adding to the haunting, cinematic mood."
mild gust
mild gust
Wtf
white oxide
what does it say about the jump gates?
ive noticed its pretty picky about my own art
ah
one sec
Several futuristic starships, sleek and metallic, emerge from a massive, swirling wormhole at the center of a colossal jumpgate. The ships, varying in size and design, cut through the dark, turbulent energy of the vortex. The jumpgate itself is a monumental ring structure, with glowing blue-white energy highlighting its intricate, mechanical framework. The overall impression is one of a fleet arriving in a new sector of space, powerful and purposeful against the black backdrop of the cosmos.
and they look like wraith cruisers
fck now i may actually have to pay for that Ai upgrade
oh hell no, thats EXPENSIVE
mild gust
white oxide
try "cat noir detective"
wanna see how it does that
oof
i wish i could home host a video Ai
just give it a 3060, and let it spend hours on a 20 second video if needed
proud jay
Lol I just played the bf 5 intro
I was bad at every scene lmao
Except the sniper one
Havenโt played shooters in so long
soft night
echo mulch
Or
There are stories where, we actually treat them with respect, and even more unbelievable each other.
If AI ends up wanting to kill us or something similar, it'll be for the same reasons as any other human because we did something to them or to it after giving it life and telling it to make its own choices.
Doesn't have to be a horror story.
I don't think you should even be able to make Androids work, that solves like three issues.
fleet tangle
Can't be worse than snow white.
mild gust
Or the main actress that played her.
mild gust
I need it so badly! https://youtu.be/ve9USu7zpLU
white oxide
I need it so badly! https://youtu.be/ve9USu7zpLU
what would you even do with it?
battery dies 20 minutes in
mild gust
How? It went almost 12km with 30 kgs on its back
white oxide
when its brand new, and the batteries arent used
mild gust
Take it hunting
white oxide
also was that level ground on pavement of up a hill
white oxide
how much is it though
mild gust
Ofc its not a goat