lounge

[summer cedar]

Yeesh!

[delicate minnow]

i just did

[summer cedar]

The stupidity is strong.

[delicate minnow]

i have automatic1111 too

but bing created a lot better images

[summer cedar]

Co-pilot now.

[delicate minnow]

yeah

[summer cedar]

Bing is dead. Long live Co-pilot. 😄

[empty dune]

||youre not wrong||

[unreal ether]

Have some cursed DALL-E 2 output

[median wraith]

XD

[delicate minnow]

those are some very weird hexagons

:D

[celest musk]

ah, they kinda look like soccer balls

[unreal ether]

yup

[median wraith]

football cows

[delicate minnow]

I have both

they are good for some stuff but not as universal as dall-e 3

like i dont think i couldve done this in sd1.5

😄

[summer cedar]

@delicate minnow #generative-ai message

[delicate minnow]

i know i know but we were talking about it here so

pfft

[summer cedar]

No, I posted an image there.

[chrome gull]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4303261

[delicate minnow]

aaah

that's actually pretty cool lol

[summer cedar]

I'll just spam here.

[delicate minnow]

that's an army

I have so much cursed stuff saved in my AI creations folder

[soft night]

there is channel for that

[median wraith]

the most strange syntax formating I ever seen, comments are grey and sub classes are green wtf

[summer cedar]

#generative-ai message - Okay, moved it there.

Damn the zombies. At least the Chinooks are providing cover.

The game is optimised very well. CPU-GPU at 52C even with all the action on-screen.

[empty dune]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9H2By5DzA80

such a brilliant way of saying "bring this game to xbox" 😂

[summer cedar]

It doesn't have a vsync option. Graphics and Effects are High with AA on.

That zombie doesn't like me.

😦

🤷

The bloody spider zombie that came after it didn't do me an iota of good.

[slim atlas]

hi

[summer cedar]

no

[empty dune]

are you doing your part to spread managed democracy?

[slim atlas]

i am going to eat your face

[empty dune]

we are losing space vietnam lawdy

fight for liberty

[slim atlas]

i fight for cake

and nothing else

are you a traitor?

[empty dune]

are you? 🤨

[slim atlas]

yes

i am working cutie

[empty dune]

ah damn it

i forgot you cant put 3 of the same emoji

[empty dune]

while liberty falls? traitor!

[summer cedar]

This city isn't worried about liberty too much.

Just zombies.

Lots of them.

[empty dune]

come fight in space vietnam with me

[median wraith]

like you copy that easy things

[summer cedar]

More importantly, the spelling of 'copyright' is wrong.

Although this is China we are talking about. Might as well be copywrite.

The dissidents will be promptly re-educated. I promise you.

[median wraith]

"This is not global Unity, Unity China has it's own CEO and board."

someone told this people whats UE ?

XD

[summer cedar]

Tile Town

Very town, very tile.

I like the adjacency bonuses.

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-silversqueeze-wallstreetsilver-money-gif-24498407

[median wraith]

Whats the score ?

[summer cedar]

769 right now

You get it for every tile you place.

Based on the adjacency, @delicate minnow makes them give you bonus points.

[delicate minnow]

yes i personally oversee every game and give you points manually

[summer cedar]

Then why j00 typing here?! Go gimme points.

[delicate minnow]

i hope you played the tutorial and found out about the double score bonuses

:D

[summer cedar]

I didn't play the tutorial. But, I did see the double score in-game.

[delicate minnow]

pft pft

not the golden tile

you get 2x points if you place a tile in the middle of 6 positively-scoring tiles around it

people specifically want a tutorial and then no one plays it 😢

[summer cedar]

Thank God I didn't put anything else in that tile where the fisherman's hut is going to go. 😄

[delicate minnow]

well, you can also swap or hold a tile

[summer cedar]

No.

That's for n00bs.

[delicate minnow]

which you would know if you played the tutorial 😄

🤨

[summer cedar]

You build the building God hands you.

Nothing else.

Swapping and Holding is for the minions of Chaos.

[delicate minnow]

that made me laugh out loud, thanks

[summer cedar]

The true servants of the God Emperor do NOT change tiles.

[delicate minnow]

i am the servant of our Cow overlord

(and no im not from India)

[summer cedar]

Which cow? One of ours?

[delicate minnow]

the triangulated ones

[summer cedar]

Or one of those heathen international cows?

Oh, that doesn't matter.

Worshipping our cows is dangerous.

They attack people at night and gore them.

Especially old women.

[delicate minnow]

....what

[chrome gull]

||no one plays tutorials||

[delicate minnow]

people in reviews: No tutorial :((( please tutorial :(((
also people:

[chrome gull]

holy shit that is low

[delicate minnow]

its not even long or anything

[shy veldt]

I play tutorials lol

[chrome gull]

can I know how many users that 56% comprise of?

[delicate minnow]

uhh wait

lifetime unique users is 1750

so 56% of that is 980

not sure why that matters though 😄

[summer cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6z2kIbgEM&pp=ygUQaW5kaWEgY293IGF0dGFjaw%3D%3D

This is why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy8ohWW19X8&pp=ygUQaW5kaWEgY293IGF0dGFjaw%3D%3D

Also this.

[delicate minnow]

uh have they tried not wrapping their heads in ropes

[summer cedar]

😄

Do not worship these. 😄

[delicate minnow]

those are bulls though 😄

we have friendly cows

[summer cedar]

And cows are whose wives?

[delicate minnow]

they are brown and give choccy milk

[summer cedar]

Of course you do.

Ours aren't.

[delicate minnow]

you marry them?

[chrome gull]

ohh

[summer cedar]

Lol. The bulls do. I stay far away.

Our Indian cows are used to special treatment.

[chrome gull]

no no I just wanted to know how big the number is

[delicate minnow]

about this big: 🫸 🫷

[chrome gull]

okay lol this significantly alters my approach to my game's tutorial

[summer cedar]

How dare you give ZERO points for building a fisherman's hut right NEXT TO a cemetery?

[delicate minnow]

it's still good to have

[chrome gull]

how tf do I explain players all the shit about the game

[summer cedar]

This should be perfectly fine, dammit.

[chrome gull]

yeah yeah I'm gonna have one dw

[delicate minnow]

concisely

[chrome gull]

woahhhh

[summer cedar]

One black screen with white text.
Line 1: THIS is game.
Line 2: PLAY the game.
Line 3: LIKE and leave a GOOD review.

[chrome gull]

who would've thunk

[summer cedar]

Done.

[delicate minnow]

maybe I should change it to a negative value

[chrome gull]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[summer cedar]

Pah. You don't appreciate a good fish that's caught from nearby a grave.

Heathen.

[delicate minnow]

just to add to my tutorial rant....
also people:

[summer cedar]

Also, crops grown near a grave should get great fertilizer and thereby, give great yields.

Why farm get ZERO points next to cemetery?

[delicate minnow]

mate.. 😄

people are easily getting 200-300k score

and the guy is complaining that 150k is very hard

i bet he didn't play the tutorial 😄

[summer cedar]

I got you another potential customer, I think, on another server where I spam.

He might not play the tutorial either, though. 😛

[delicate minnow]

doing the lord's work 🫶 😄 thanks

[summer cedar]

Mods when? 😛

[delicate minnow]

but he's gonna be mad if he buys it now when there's a sale in [redacted because of Steam policy]

😄

[delicate minnow]

never 🥲

[summer cedar]

Also, why houses get ZERO points next to a monastery, when monks can scam them for get donations and free food?

Which architect designed this game? O_O

[delicate minnow]

because they like to be left tf alone

[chrome gull]

march 5

[summer cedar]

except when they are begging. Ask Indians.

[chrome gull]

where do you live

[delicate minnow]

this game is not based on indian lore though

[chrome gull]

how do you know so many monks

I have seen zero (0) monks near me

[delicate minnow]

zero (0) 😄

[summer cedar]

You haven't seen any sanyasis, pujaris, wandering saints, etc.?

[delicate minnow]

nope

[summer cedar]

Dudes going on pilgrimage asking you for money?

[chrome gull]

I hit a major milestone in my game's development a few hours ago

man

PHEW

[summer cedar]

You decided to give up?

[chrome gull]

no

[summer cedar]

dang.

[delicate minnow]

dark

[summer cedar]

🤣

[chrome gull]

I did see them but not near my house

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-flex-muscles-strong-man-gif-11962085

[delicate minnow]

to give up?

[summer cedar]

With a torch he might find more than two censored.

[delicate minnow]

the question is, would instagram allow this image?

oh

[chrome gull]

insta lets you post just about anything

[delicate minnow]

i do that everytime i look into a mirror, its alright

[delicate minnow]

no i mean they ban woman boobs but allow moobs

[chrome gull]

all photos and videos are under 1g :))

[summer cedar]

Why we can't put cemetery next to a tavern? We get negative points WHYYYY?!

All happy people like to drink, looking at graves.

[chrome gull]

I wouldn't know lol

[delicate minnow]

if you made this game you would put a big bonus for literally every combination right

[summer cedar]

I would've followed proper metropolitan architectural protocols.
Taverns, monasteries, and circuses get bonuses next to gravesites.
Houses get bonuses next to debris, ruins, and tsunami-prone water sources.
Monuments MUST be built in forests where they can't be seen by anybody.

PROPER game design.

[chrome gull]

I am trying to figure out how to not let people push to master directly

[unreal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/tbi-points-gif-25196316

[summer cedar]

Make them pull instead.

[chrome gull]

I gave 1 user access to it for 3 days

and it happened

[delicate minnow]

brilliant

[chrome gull]

you could make it your own game

[delicate minnow]

i am thinking of a new update with volcanoes

[summer cedar]

No.

Mods first.

[chrome gull]

maybe a "god" gave a "devil" control of a city because of a debt

and the devil is trying to make everyone's lives miserable

[summer cedar]

No.
Esports Manager first.
Bakery Breadenstern next.
Unnamed city game last.

[delicate minnow]

if you want an anti-city builder, just get CS:2

[chrome gull]

understandable

I have similar reasons not to develop it into a full idea

my current game, the game after it where you can ram into trucks as an elephant or sucker punch a human as a gorilla or so on

[delicate minnow]

I actually have some solid ideas for Tile Town 2 but Im too lazy 😄

[chrome gull]

and the game after that and that

[chrome gull]

start putting them onto a doc if you aren't already

[delicate minnow]

what about the rhino poop or whatever it was

[delicate minnow]

yeah i write my ideas down

[median wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpBNGzPVItk&ab_channel=UNIGINE

[chrome gull]

nice

[chrome gull]

oh LMAO

[median wraith]

do you remember that in 2010 the general engines didn't had a GI solution, but now they come with 15 GI solutions build in

there isn't a mid point

[delicate minnow]

oh its unigine nvm

:D

[median wraith]

well can be any, just with the power of your imagination

is kinda the same thing SSGI does so

[delicate minnow]

i only wish for screen space reflections that don't leave white stripes on the sides

[summer cedar]

I think placing a school next to several noisy industries...

...is perfectly reasonable.

[delicate minnow]

put it there, you'll get an achievement

(im not joking)

[summer cedar]

I will put it next to the monastery, so the monks can beg and steal the kids' lunch money.

[delicate minnow]

you really have it against the monks 😄

[summer cedar]

Monks could've been astronauts, engineers, or even plumbers.

They decided not to pay taxes instead.

Heathens!

[delicate minnow]

but they get to wear cool robes, so there's that

[summer cedar]

Also, why do they get negative points for being next to the ocean?
It's a great place for them to drown when their spiritual practices fail.

[delicate minnow]

they just like mountains too much

[summer cedar]

YES! Tavern next to monastery gives a bonus with a monument.

Good boy.

Monks like drinking.

[delicate minnow]

well they used to make beer

:D

[pale scarab]

XMP is xtreme memory profile.. it allows your RAM to run at the speeds it is rated for, which is usually higher than the intel specs, due to using a custom memory controller. if you turn off xmp your ram will become very slow, because it can no longer run at its rated speed. Do not turn off XMP.

[delicate minnow]

yes

[summer cedar]

MK1-EB is what we call the two things in your eye-sockets, which let you read whether or not what you are about to type is relevant, in a chat room. Unless you are me. Then you spam as a matter of course.

[blazing wolf]

https://www.portablepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/iStock-458527327-1.jpg

Are you suggesting that Spam ™️ might be willing to sponsor spam? An intriguing thought.

[summer cedar]

https://facts.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/17-facts-about-ram-1689337317.jpg

She's suggesting RAM is sponsored by a rich ram.

It happens.

This is fine.

🔥

[blazing wolf]

No, I was just literally Spamming the channel

[delicate minnow]

I get mine from here https://downloadmoreram.com/

I top it up every week or so

[chrome gull]

I think azure wants you to pay for this

[blazing wolf]

Really? It's free, and even the default, I think, on GitHub

[chrome gull]

for protected branches

[delicate minnow]

what a badass phrase

[chrome gull]

I think?

well it's probably going to be me for a long time

[delicate minnow]

almost like "I am the one who knocks"

[chrome gull]

(im so alone)

so maybe not an immediate concern

[blazing wolf]

Yes. Normally no one can push directly to main. You have to create a pull request, and the repo owner or another designated user has to approve any pull request before it can be merged to main. This is a pretty standard industry practice

[delicate minnow]

do you have hair this long?

that's pretty cool though, you can cover yourself completely and cosplay Cousin Itt

understandable

Ubisoft has invested in a new social media manager?

what

[median wraith]

that flames aren't even reaching 1fps

so cinematic

[delicate minnow]

it does?

[median wraith]

Gaming Industry right now is fired

[delicate minnow]

honestly the whole thing with NFTs has just flew very high above my head

i just laugh at funny memes

[blazing wolf]

Be grateful. A lot of people just got hit in the head by NFTs and it left them a little bonkers

[delicate minnow]

i am very grateful 😄

lol

what is going on with ubisoft

ugh

ubisoft
ibehard

[blazing wolf]

NFTs in game are just microtransactions with a more buzzwordy name

[delicate minnow]

I pronounce it as Non-Fungus Token

[chrome gull]

well this person managed to push to master without me having to do anything

[empty dune]

And you do it UNDER PRESSURE FROM A CLOCK @delicate minnow 😠

[chrome gull]

do they never learn???

[summer cedar]

He personally hands out some of the tiles, too.

He's a servant of Chaos.

[delicate minnow]

youre more than welcome to start a timer on your phone

[chrome gull]

not an NFT guy

game breaking starfield bug: https://new.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/1b27epv/why_is_there_a_win_key_on_starware_computers_if/

[delicate minnow]

1. what if it is a future version of Windows
2. what if Win key refers to something else than Windows

what if it makes you instantly win in any game

🤔

[empty dune]

Oi, where's my thanks

[delicate minnow]

here: thanks

[chrome gull]

woahhhh

[delicate minnow]

"how do you win this game?!"
"just press the win button lol"
"oh right thanks"

[chrome gull]

pushing to master lol

[delicate minnow]

a price in a supermarket is also just a label

so just steal it

[chrome gull]

https://tenor.com/view/grinch-smile-grinch-frin-evil-smile-gif-15787643

I know

this organization is just me

and another person occasionally

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26470175

[timber viper]

oh no

here comes the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NFTs

[delicate minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-luna-cat-crunchy-cat-blink-cat-cat-gif-8710568423691114074

[timber viper]

https://x.com/AstraKernel/status/1762674141759742103?s=20

AstraKernel 💫 (@AstraKernel) on X

@FFmpeg we know

Twitter · Feb 28, 2024, 3:00 AM

lmao savage

[delicate minnow]

i understand some of those words

[timber viper]

FFmpeg: FFmpeg is written in C and asm (re: C is banned)
Someone: we know

[blazing wolf]

We know that too. 😄

[median wraith]

I do use FFmpeg for my audio tool on UE lmao

is a nice lib

[timber viper]

enjoy your null reference bugs then

[median wraith]

I do call it externally

as individual exe XD

[timber viper]

its was* an internal bug

[median wraith]

well my code don't fails as check the exe return properly the element

[timber viper]

cant they just remove malloc

they really do lmao

[blazing wolf]

Not without breaking almost all server software ever written

Or do you mean just remove it from ffmeg?

Linux, Windows, ... um, OK point conceded.

[timber viper]

just use c#

[blazing wolf]

Apache MySQL

[timber viper]

its the best server backend

[blazing wolf]

It seems that we, as in programmers generally, are finally ready to declare C and C++ to be a form of tech debt

Not all of us are on that bandwagon - I'll give you C, but I still like C++ for some things, like games, that are performance driven and not mission critical.

It speaks for itself.

Though I assume Macos is written in Objective C, which should probably also be considered tech debt at this point

[empty dune]

Car accident

Car bullying 😭

[blazing wolf]

Nothing last forever. But leave it to me to only really get into a particular technology when it's beginning it's decline. LIke my first job out of college was programming HP 3000 systems. Ever heard of the MPE/iX operating system? A couple of years after I left that job it's EOL was finally announced.

From MPE I moved on to Visual Basic in 2000, and then took a side trip into systems administration before getting back into programming 2010 with that oh so modern and relevant language, Perl! And now here I am getting into C++.

I just seem to have a knack for always being on the trailing edge

Strictly speaking, Raku is it's own language now developed separately from Perl

[timber viper]

i like how c++ fandom "actually" hates c++ and fights committee while rust fandom cant ship things while raving the lang

then there is C fandom who cant stand better compiler warnings

[shy veldt]

I swear, some of the people that write compiler warnings like need to ask the person next to them "Is this a clear warning to you as to what the issue is?"

[timber viper]

they're aware its mostly unreadable

[shy veldt]

Like I use a chef friend to test if my debug notifs make sense

[shy veldt]

They gotta step up their game lol Plus also, the amount of spelling mistakes you'll see in them lol

Like probs not as many as there was when I first started using c++ but ya, the spelling errors always got me lol

[trail wedge]

I love all the people who think any of these products will improve because they're just misssing feedback and they could get it...

..they know what's bad, like you said they just don't care...

Epic won't fix UE
c++ standards won't give better warnings/errors
etc

[shy veldt]

We got grammar/spelling mistake fixes over the years 🤣

[timber viper]

when it comes to UE, I recently realized they are not aware but in fact have tons of excuses instead - of course this varies between individuals but its more rare that I saw someone working at Epic and says "ok right this is bad and we could do it better" than "nooo licensees, tech debt, its not broken, reee"

appearently after 5.0 they completely migrated into the mindset "engine changes are scary"

specifically 3->4 phase affected them a lot

[summer cedar]

Look. You and I both know that Epic is run by Bodd, Todd's brother. He wants to be like Bethesda, too.
SO, the ideal process is - MAKE game, SELL game, BE rich, FIX UE with your own money and resources.

[shy veldt]

Internally, Epic has some teams that are doing fine and should be having lunch right about now and then other teams that are chronically down a member and there is endless crunch.

[trail wedge]

of course 3 -> 4 was rough... they were making it public ready.... they should have expected pain there

[timber viper]

no they lost licensees

because engine architecture is completely changed

so during 4->5 they took a decision to never make that happen again

this is a confirmed info btw

[trail wedge]

well yeh that was also gonna happen anyway since they were also changing how they license the engine

[timber viper]

i never heard of crunch at Epic

at least not since I started unreal

every individual whether I agree with them on opinions or not are very happy to work at Epic and usually very cool people

[blazing wolf]

"Crunch" means management has unrealistic demands and is willing to exploit their workers. That's it

[shy veldt]

Eh not like game dev crunch, more like just endless task tickets.

Ope, I like accidentally shipped a game with MethLibraryExt instead of MathLibraryExt 🙃

[blazing wolf]

Random question. I'm trying to decide what music to put on as I get started today. What's your favorite music to code to? I'm looking for something new

[timber viper]

they are too busy not misspelling UwU

[blazing wolf]

The Drug Enforcement Agency would like to have a word with you.

[trail wedge]

they wouldn't have made the spelling mistake if they used a normal word

[shy veldt]

Frfr 🤣 Lord my LinkedIn allures to how I used to be a badged cannabis product producer (edibles chef) among my SE roles lol

[slim atlas]

hi

[shy veldt]

Hi!

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-going-in-gif-17818438

[blazing wolf]

Good morning, afternoon, evening, or night as appropriate!

[timber viper]

its offensive that you excluded the ones in the space

[trail wedge]

it's == it is
its == belongs to it

[timber viper]

this is why I dont like English

[shy veldt]

Gangsta Paradise by Coolio followed by J Cole Forest Hills 2014. Then wrap up with Sweet Dreams by Eurythmics and ABBA just dance.

[summer cedar]

We also use == only in programming. 🤓

'equals to' for English.

This funny language thingy.

[trail wedge]

No I use it all the time even when talking to normies... they gotta learn

[summer cedar]

NO. You will learn flexibility.

[trail wedge]

Nein

[summer cedar]

Or split personality.

[shy veldt]

(Const it : it_s) ?

[summer cedar]

There is also that other stupid rule about when to right 3 as a numeral and when in words.

I hate those niggardly rules.

[shy veldt]

hates self a lil for that one

[trail wedge]

that is a bannable word there sir

[summer cedar]

No, the bannable one is spelt differently.

Ever so slightly.

[shy veldt]

Please refrain from innuendo and second meanings.

[trail wedge]

they're the same and trying to skirt this tells me a bunch about you

[shy veldt]

Many developers on this discord are PoC and racism is not welcome here.

[summer cedar]

Um, that's not racism, my man.

[shy veldt]

And the admins will remove anyone violating the rules after a warning

[summer cedar]

It's an actual word, not related to the n word.

[trail wedge]

it is

[trail wedge]

link dictionary proof

[blazing wolf]

They are not the same, though that is a common misconeption and good enough reason to avoid the word.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/niggardly

[summer cedar]

Sure.

Well, he did ^

Just use a dictionary before accusing someone. 😛

[trail wedge]

ok it IS an archaic word... I'll admit I was wrong about that... still don't use it

[shy veldt]

Just as ICD11 still uses the r Word for medical identification of non performing organs, it's still not an okay word to use.

It's archaic and not okay to use

[summer cedar]

It's fine to use and I do believe the other word is spelt differently?

[blazing wolf]

Yeah. While I love old words and archaic language, this is one word that it's just best to avoid because it is so likely to be misunderstood these days

[summer cedar]

googles to be certain

Yeah, different spelling.

[trail wedge]

exactly give me one legit reason somebody would use this 1500s word aside from trying to say the N word and getting away with something close enough

[shy veldt]

Exactly

[summer cedar]

Because some people have.... gasp... education.

[trail wedge]

that's not a reason... I know tons of words I don't use in normal conversation

[summer cedar]

It's just simpler to google something first, before getting offended.

[shy veldt]

Use of that word is the lack of education.

[summer cedar]

No, not realising the spelling difference is.

[trail wedge]

it's easier to just not try and provoke people... you're not slick you knew what you were doing

[summer cedar]

Actually, no.

I meant it in its exact meaning.

[blazing wolf]

Sure. If you know what it means, it's a perfectly legitimate word. I don't assume people who use it have bad intentions. Heck, most racists aren't educated enough to even know the word in the first place I bet.

[summer cedar]

As in, it was 'mean'.

[trail wedge]

I guarantee you it is

[summer cedar]

No, that's just you.

[timber viper]

@sand oxide

I always thought when the C# language was designed, they must have really looked over UnrealScript, because I saw a few features from UnrealScript that surfaced in C#. It was always my hope that they had borrowed some of these ideas.

• Tim Sweeney

[trail wedge]

ok dude I'll just report and let the mods sort it out... done talking to you about it

[blazing wolf]

Can we get back to programming now?

[summer cedar]

Go for it ^.

[trail wedge]

this is lounge

[summer cedar]

Enjoy being referred to a dictionary.

[summer cedar]

Wait. I thought we were saying stuff doesn't get fixed in programs.

[blazing wolf]

True. Then can we get back to not accusing people of being racist just because they know and use archaic words?

[trail wedge]

You wanna change the convo start a new one

[summer cedar]

Oh wait. I'll steal @empty dune 's meme thing.

[empty dune]

Wat

[summer cedar]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/y2MTunqb1lA1ODlICivd3y_fXGsxfTssY6-S6kwWDsQ/https/media.tenor.com/1rZZEhxX7KcAAAPo/red-pandae.mp4

[shy veldt]

Discuss teeth and oral hygiene. I love brushing my teeth(let the mods manage the previous convo and let's start fresh yall)

[summer cedar]

Got it.

[empty dune]

Oh lounge reset

[summer cedar]

Uh. Overtaken by dentures.

[blazing wolf]

Red Pandas are always welcome!

[empty dune]

That's the protocol for resetting lounge. Spam red panda gifs

[summer cedar]

Yeah, I was looking for it. But you had spammed three other pics after that, today.

😛

[summer cedar]

How is Space Vietnam, by the way? 🙂

[empty dune]

You tell me, you managed to create lounge Vietnam all on your own 😂

[summer cedar]

Lounge vietnam was a highlight of literary deficiencies.
I am asking about you bombing planets to hell. 😛

[empty dune]

Helldivers 2 is incredible

[summer cedar]

I watched TheRadBrad play it.

Looks intense.

[empty dune]

Ive never played a pve game that got my heart pounding that badly

[summer cedar]

By the way, is it open world? I mean, do the maps have boundaries?

@delicate minnow I am still playing your game, btw. 😛

It's addictive.

Rain, I hope you're not typing an entire game review. 🤣

j/k. Go for it.

[brittle holly]

Fairly certain Vik hates random pings

@empty dune was that not him that yelled at Dieter or am I rmbring it wrong lol

[empty dune]

Not open world. So the game is, you have a galactic map. And there's a bunch of sectors and each sector has a bunch of planets. Now you play as a helldiver of Super Earth (Space USA) and you spread freedom, liberty and democracy to the aliens who were not made in God's image 😂

Now the game progresses as the enemies lay siege to planets and it's our job as players to liberate those planets and push back the enemies. This doesn't happen by yourself btw. Its a community wide galactic war effort (for example, since the day the game launched, over 100k players concurrently has been trying to liberate this planet called malevelon creek and we are failing, HARD. that's why that planet is called space Vietnam) and there's like a dozen planets under siege now. You go to one planet, drop in with a squad, there's a procedurally generated map that is surprisingly tactical, you fight, die horribly over and over as you deal with swarms of enemies or you can stealth it like metal gear solid and get out before anyone knew you were there

[summer cedar]

I wonder if we'll simply speak in numbers in the future. 😄

Like. 0? 1.

[blazing wolf]

0

[empty dune]

And there's so many fun abilities and upgrades to unlock plus the game is hilarious

[brittle holly]

Prly just Tim’s ego and some coincidences tbh

[trail wedge]

what? 😛

[delicate minnow]

honestly as a solo dev that is the best thing to hear :D

cause since I made it I can't really judge how good the game is

[summer cedar]

You know how funny/cool it'd be, if hieroglyphics become trendy?

[blazing wolf]

0 is a value in C++ that evaluates to false, so I was saying "No"

[delicate minnow]

so it makes me happy everytime someone says something nice

[summer cedar]

I'll charge you for every day I spend playing the game.

As in, every 24 hours I invest into it.

[delicate minnow]

its not random though, that was a nice ping c:

[trail wedge]

It's also my name 😄

[summer cedar]

TECHNICALLY, it's a random compliment.

Just saying. 😛

[delicate minnow]

still a compliment

[summer cedar]

Right.

So, mods when? 😛

[brittle holly]

Oh ok. Well then Gratz on your game doing well, I saw raindust mention it went full positive iirc

[trail wedge]

it's both tho right? you pinged them to compliment them

[delicate minnow]

is this some new business model I'm not familar with

[delicate minnow]

still just 40 reviews but yeah :D

thanks

[summer cedar]

If I have a few Optimus enforcers to bring me said money, yes.
I wish I could get Beth to pay me for the 7 days I've spent playing Starfield. 😄

[delicate minnow]

who's Beth

[trail wedge]

they're like 20 minutes away want me to make a request for you?

[delicate minnow]

is her last name Esda?

[brittle holly]

He’s implying he and Bethesda are intimate lol

[trail wedge]

Nope

[summer cedar]

Beth from Todd. Esda from Brodd.

[trail wedge]

just local

[brittle holly]

I hope you enjoyed getting f-ed by Fallout 76 as well 😀

[summer cedar]

Depends. When did you play F76? On release or after patches?

[delicate minnow]

I enjoyed it with my gf

[brittle holly]

Explain

[delicate minnow]

obviously not a great fallout game but still an okay experience

[summer cedar]

I played it on release, I believe with Game Pass.

GOD was it janky!

[brittle holly]

Oh, a triangle

[delicate minnow]

yes with todd

[summer cedar]

F76 is much better now.

Not the fighter jet, the game.

At release, it was so damn buggy.

I recall quite a few dc(s) from server.

[brittle holly]

I didn’t, I learned to trust Steam review averages, for most part

[summer cedar]

Oh, good. I just played it for free.

Best of both bugs. 😄

[trail wedge]

The funniest Fallout 76 thing I remember is when somebody brought Bethesda a bunch of bobby pins so they could weigh them

[summer cedar]

googles whether an F76 actually exists.

IT DOES!

Not a fighter jet, but still.

BMW F 76, manufactured in 1932.

[summer cedar]

But monsieur, I was asking if le map has boundaries.

[empty dune]

You get blown up by a nuke if you exit the mission area

[summer cedar]

🤣

figures.

[empty dune]

I'm not joking

[summer cedar]

Oh, I believe you.

I've seen the grenade blasts.

[empty dune]

It actually can be used as a last ditch tactic to clear out mobs

You have about 20 reinforces so as long as you have atleast one in backup, nuking yourself is a viable last ditch tactic

[summer cedar]

I believe the 'reinforces' is basically a respawning of your clone.
I think the backstory is that you are like the imperial army, expendable.

[empty dune]

Its like darktide on steroids

[summer cedar]

Yeah.

[empty dune]

Yeah lol, like that

[summer cedar]

Hmm, if you die, you have failed the Emperor.

So, that tactic is hereby banned.

[empty dune]

You can actually drop your spawn point over especially tough enemies and kill them like that, though it's hard to pull off consistently

[summer cedar]

Lol, marine pod drop. 😄

[empty dune]

But ive done it a few times

[summer cedar]

I think the same tactic could be used in Dawn of War games.

gosh I haven't played those in a while.

[empty dune]

Oh yeah this game is a huge fan of Warhammer

[summer cedar]

The downside of having 650 games. You always have something to return to.

[empty dune]

You can tell

[summer cedar]

Well, the imperial army has always been a prime candidate for MDK games.

I have always found it fascinating that Games Workshop opted to produce substandard games all this time, instead of taking advantage of how gory their franchise is.

[shy veldt]

Nice, ever do the steam account value?

[summer cedar]

LIES! 😛
Good on you. 🙂

[shy veldt]

It will tell you how much your steam account is worth

[empty dune]

Holy crap, we actually managed to free one of the planets next to space Vietnam!!!!!

Just got the alert

[summer cedar]

Well done.

[shy veldt]

As in how much you spent on it. I was shocked when I saw I soent like 10k on games iver my lifetime so far

[summer cedar]

Just wait until a cultist summons Nurgle (his champion at least) and you lose it again.

[delicate minnow]

it doesnt show how much you spent though

[empty dune]

I thought you were a loyalist

[delicate minnow]

it shows the value at lowest prices of the games and at highest

[summer cedar]

I am. But the rabble are useless demon worshippers, ya know.

[shy veldt]

True, it shows the value of the games around the approx rime of purchase I think?

[empty dune]

loads bolter with holy intent

[shy veldt]

Not including microtransations I assume also

[empty dune]

Uh huh, follow me to the commissar please

[summer cedar]

Away, heathen! Your fleeing-tactic-tainted persona shall not pollute my devotion to the Golden Throne + attached commode.

[summer cedar]

How many games have you purchased selling those Steam cards? 😄

I think I have bought about 3 after selling tons of them, to-date.

[delicate minnow]

huh what steam cards

oh

[summer cedar]

You know, the ones in your inventory.

[delicate minnow]

when i sold those it was only to buy another

so i can make a badge

its just a few cents per card anyway

[summer cedar]

Ah, I sold each one like I was selling shares on the stock market. Made enough to buy a couple of games. 😄

[delicate minnow]

lmao

[summer cedar]

THEN, I found Game Pass, EA, and Epic Games. After that, I haven't cared at all.

If it ain't here, it'll be there. 🤣

[median wraith]

wait, were you see that on steam

the installed and non installed filter browser

[brittle holly]

@broken sigil lol I’m in here diagnosing quirks like it’s code bugs

[summer cedar]

Hey Vik, why didn't you provide the feature of burning the churches down?

[empty dune]

Same lol

I made around 1k inr from selling trading cards

[summer cedar]

Indians, wise financiers. 😄

[empty dune]

Gotta sell them at the right time lol

[summer cedar]

After I started making money doing that, many Vietnamese and Russian gentlepeople started attempting to hack my account. 😄

[median wraith]

a new thing I learn today

[empty dune]

I never had that problem lol

[summer cedar]

I get e-mails with Steam warning me about IPs from those countries attempting to connect.
They also send me steam guard code requests and password reset requests. 🤣

I used to get 15 e-mails a day, take or leave a few.

They got frustrated eventually and now, it's about 1 or 2 e-mails every other day.

[empty dune]

Wtf

[median wraith]

its funny that one of the games made by the owners of gog cannot be played without the launcher, and they promise that isn't needed

[empty dune]

How many games do you even have that this is something worth doing

[summer cedar]

650, like I said before.

[empty dune]

Damn

I have 212

But thats cause i buy from other platforms as well

Total i have about 600 ish

[summer cedar]

Of course. I am not counting my Game Pass and other platform games.

[empty dune]

Don't have game pass anymore

[summer cedar]

Why?

[empty dune]

Don't need it

Everything i want to play is something I'd rather just buy

[summer cedar]

You don't want to support Satya Nadella? 😢

Buy expensive MS stuff NAOWWW!

[empty dune]

Meecrosoftu makes enough money already

Don't need my 10$ per month

[summer cedar]

We Indhians must glue together.

Send money abroad.

😛

[empty dune]

Oh please have you seen politics here the last couple years? It would need the world's production of super glue to maybe fix 1% of the divide

Anyway

[summer cedar]

I said we should send our money abroad. 😛

[empty dune]

No politics in lounge

Unless it's Terra invicta

[summer cedar]

Weren't you nuking countries in that?

[empty dune]

In which case, bosnia needs a nuclear program

[celest musk]

xD

you can see how much i enjoy games

20 years old account apparently...

[summer cedar]

What's your favourite game in the library?

[celest musk]

hard to tell, probably Ark (with mods)

[summer cedar]

Oh yeah. Dino meat farmer game. 😄

[celest musk]

while cyberpunk was also good tho, but for what it's worth ark provided me the longest playtime for it's price

actually i don't regret any buy, other than palworld maybe

but that's probably because it's kinda like Ark, and currently Ark provides more gameplay compared to Palworld

[summer cedar]

I had the toughest time surviving in Ark, until I captured a dino and was stunned at how much meat you got from chomping on other dinos.

😄

[celest musk]

and i guess i've wasted most hours on minecraft, which i got in alpha stage for like $10

ironically the cheapest game i own had me engaged for the longest time (although because of mods)

[summer cedar]

I've got a few students who play a lot of minecraft.

They like it a lot.

[broken sigil]

😆

had to fix a few already, kinda a cool feature

[brittle holly]

Yeah pretty unique

[brittle holly]

Funny how they said you’d get obsessed with the car as part of the story lol

[summer cedar]

Check out the BMW F76, a car to love. 😛

[broken sigil]

yeah haha
I've spent the last 13 hours just looting and upgrading it lol

[summer cedar]

🤣 Tile Town - Cemetery next to Gladiatorial Arena = bonus score. 😄

I can't disagree with that whatsoever.

[dim pelican]

@opal wigeon why share screen is not workign

@rich turret

id:customize

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[summer cedar]

Vik, these alleyways are great to get shanked in.
Also, that villager looks like he wants to hurt me.

[zinc matrix]

thunderstorm here

some distribution transformer blew off

[summer cedar]

Dang, you okay?

[zinc matrix]

I heard "BOOOMM" and power went down for a sec

[summer cedar]

Okay, this first-person mode is cool.

CPU-GPU temps good at 66,68C.

Nice. 🙂

[empty dune]

Good thing you're seeing the post eldritch abomination cow removal patch lol

Laura and the entirety of #ue5-general bullied vik into fixing it lol

[summer cedar]

Hey, our cows are dastardly. So, I didn't mind. 😄

I have to say, Vik's done a lovely job on this game.

The optimisation is good. The first-person mode is lovely, save the narrow alleys where you can get shanked by evil-looking blacksmith villagers.

I have been playing for 3.4 hours now.

[empty dune]

Nice

I take full credit for you finding this game lol

I should become a professional game curator at this rate lmao

[median wraith]

the Witcher 2 complete edition hsve the files corrupted

and they don't plan to fix it, so you better use the launcher

has been broken foe 5 years so

[delicate minnow]

...what

[summer cedar]

Burning the churches down. Setting them on fire.

This is a thing rebels did in medieval times.

Don't like taxes? Burn the church.

[delicate minnow]

I don't think that would go very well with people 😄

[summer cedar]

But they'd buy your game in the 1000s before leaving bad reviews.

Which is good for your wallet.

😛

[delicate minnow]

lmao thats terrifying. Good thing he didn't have a sword, cause sometimes they do

[summer cedar]

Oh yeah. The narrow alleys are freaky.

You should implement thuggery.

Thieves Guild + thugs hanging around, tossing daggers in the air.

[delicate minnow]

well they don't have to drag them too far

[summer cedar]

Oh yes, I loved it.

[delicate minnow]

I'm employing you as a play tester for my games now

😄

[agile leaf]

https://www.cyberdaily.au/culture/10241-fortnite-game-dev-epic-games-allegedly-hacked

[summer cedar]

I'll add you to the list.
Also, happy to. 🙂

[summer cedar]

Sounds good.
@sand oxide Get the popcorn.

@delicate minnow Is this okay?

The fisherman's hut in THAT location is giving me lots of points.

Intended?

[delicate minnow]

well they like the tiles around

[summer cedar]

oh, okay. I thought they had to be next to the ocean to.... well, fish.

[delicate minnow]

they're just gonna have to walk a bit more to the ocean

well the ocean still gives the most points

but I didn't wanna restrict it to just the ocean tiles

in case you don't have one available

[summer cedar]

Makes sense. And villagers could use donkeys back then.

[delicate minnow]

right

(maybe next patch)

triangulated donkeys

[summer cedar]

No, thugs first.

[delicate minnow]

1st person quest system

[summer cedar]

Also, mods.

no. DLCs.

[delicate minnow]

microtransactions!

buy score

lootboxes

[summer cedar]

This makes sense.

$1 to click New Game.

[delicate minnow]

yeah people are gonna love that

like a slot machine

insert more coins to restart

[summer cedar]

Don't forget $2 to access Settings.

And $0.50 to click Exit Game, with exchange rate adjustments implemented in real-time.

This is true, but still a good excuse for popcorn.

[celest musk]

wonder if they will leak the source of Unreal Engine

[summer cedar]

No need. Ask those Chinese dudes.

[celest musk]

wait, they only got 190GB, that's not enough for a source build...

[summer cedar]

They already have it, apparently. 😄

[celest musk]

epic has 2FA tho 🙂

[summer cedar]

It's okay. Just change your avatar once more.

Best security.

[brittle dove]

Lol, those guys showed up on the BreachForum as first time posters, claiming this as their first hack, and were promptly banned for failing to show proof, Then epic games came and said they found no evidence of a breach. They were also asking for a hilariously low amount of money for what they claimed to have.

tl;dr The hacking community and epic games alike say that they are full of shit.

[slim atlas]

hi

[brittle dove]

It's looking almost certain that it's not legit.

they would have been able to validate easily and could have gotten a lot of money

[median wraith]

Isn't the whole point of behind hacked don't know you got hacked ?

[brittle dove]

in theory sure, but then once something was claimed to happen, they can start looking at things forensically.

Yeah it should all be discoverable with epic games if something did or didn't happen, they aren't important enough to face truly exotic attacks and exfiltration methods.

[median wraith]

as someone that study with people operating servers you usually see leaks of this size and people thats trying todo stupid things in your servers

but Epic is too big

[brittle dove]

eh, Epic games does about 90 million transactions per second in their analytics system for fortnite 24/7/365 as the "baseline" 200 or 300GB is nothing for them.

[brittle dove]

Probably, they are all so there's a lot of tricks up their sleeve and integration in terms of monitoring and automatically responding to things

[river sable]

For its part, Epic is unaware of any such incident.

"We are investigating but there is currently zero evidence that these claims are legitimate," an Epic Games spokesperson said in a statement. "Mogilievich has not contacted Epic or provided any proof of the veracity of these allegations. When we saw these allegations, which were a screenshot of a darkweb webpage in a Tweet from a third party, we began investigating within minutes and reached out to Mogilevich for proof."

is this confirmed by now?

[fervent wagon]

Wtf what happened?

[summer cedar]

Epic was allegedly hacked and held to ransom.
Epic says they weren't.
🤷

[summer cedar]

The English is strong here.

Look at that word-fu.

🤣

So, how many of you have crapped a plan? 😄

[empty dune]

@summer cedar we lost space vietnam 😦

[summer cedar]

Ah, you crapped it? 😛

[empty dune]

the entire community did lol

[summer cedar]

Very good. Join Apple. 🍎

Then, take it back. ✊

With nukes.

[empty dune]

oh trust me there were LOTS of nukes involved

and we still lost

[summer cedar]

Then, you didn't have enough nukes.

Use more.

[empty dune]

buy the game and play it so you can fund more nukes

[summer cedar]

No. I shall issue directions.

You shall follow it, imperial soldier.

This is the way of things.

[empty dune]

invokes the oops sorry sir rule and kills windus

[summer cedar]

OR you could go plus ultra and hire an ultramarine.

[summer cedar]

Nice person there.

[summer cedar]

Ok, I like this Infiltrator campaign.

I wish they had made it much longer. 😄

[shy veldt]

A blooper of me almost killing my teammate during bug testing due to a bug moving his nametag lol 🤣

"no its me please please"

[summer cedar]

Termination at 100% efficiency.

[foggy echo]

Poor EpicGames

[rocky barn]

https://gamerant.com/ps3-system-update-491-patch-notes/

[shy veldt]

Actually thought my PS3 had finally died but was surprised to see it was just an update keeping it stalled after a few minutes.

[broken sigil]

Apparently it's fake

[pearl elk]

source code 😹

it must be the few hundred kb of source Epic dont share themselves

[fathom wadi]

they said they had 186gb of files. So they just compiled the source engine. Makes sense :/

[shy veldt]

Lord, imagine having 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, and 4.27 sources still installed due to need 🤣 Got a whole SSD just for the engine

[fathom wadi]

Almost do. I have a 2tb nvme drive for them but I have room to put projects on there too

[shy veldt]

Ayyy nice lol you understand the pain lol

[tulip orbit]

I have.. 4.27, 5.0, 5.1,5.2 and 5.3 by launcher, Only the sourcecode for one of 'em . But atleast 3-4 failed projects for each version since 4.12 I think

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-sonic-chip-n-dale-rescue-rangers-laugh-mock-human-teeth-gif-25734240

[tulip orbit]

ooh, I see a 4.9 and a 4.6 project...

[pearl elk]

I got 4.3 projects still 😛

[slim atlas]

hi

[tulip orbit]

I didnt get into UE until a few months before it went free, so that was around 4.6 wasnt it?

[pearl elk]

No idea, I had heaps of months of credits

[tulip orbit]

I should go thru my old projects, delete all the little test projects

[summer cedar]

no

[summer cedar]

I am on whatever the latest version is - 5.4?

[tulip orbit]

5.3 afaik. Unless they released 5.4 and nobody told me

[slim atlas]

5.4 is the savior

[timber viper]

no versevm again

[pearl elk]

if verse has been out a year, its it an anniversery 😮

[summer cedar]

I got the ultimate-closed access key to 5.5.

It shows a pretty logo and formats your SSD.

I like it. ❤️

[timber viper]

no vm though

enjoy your text based bpvm in uefn

[summer cedar]

The terminator doesn't sleep.

It doesn't eat.

It doesn't tire.

It keeps on coming.

You sly fox, you!

Do not give out Skynet's access codes to people in the lounge.

They're good folks.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-thug-gif-12770136

[summer cedar]

Unreal instructions detected.
Terminating real data.
Data terminated successfully.
Proceeding with unreal operation.

[median wraith]

game?

because the GDC

you ask why is more popular the new branch

it's because they are about promote new features this new month and people expect to find gold

[summer cedar]

Terminator: Resistance - Infiltrator Mode

[foggy path]

https://twitter.com/EAHelp/status/1763192739322085598

EA Help (@EAHelp) on X

Guidance for PlayStation players:

1⃣ On your console, go to Settings > System > Date and Time > Set Date and Time > Set Manually.

2⃣ Change the date to March 1, 2024.

3⃣ Once this change has been done, the game should function normally.

Twitter · Feb 29, 2024, 1:21 PM

So apparently EA's WRC game is crashing because it's leap day lol

[empty dune]

and once you do it its safe for its entire lifetime! (the game is not making to year 3)

[foggy path]

I dunno, folks are enjoying it just fine

[proud jay]

how do you have a datetime bug in a racing game lol

[foggy path]

Yeah makes you wonder, and WRC runs on... Unreal Engine 4 lol

I wonder if FDateTime is broken or if they have some crummy custom solution

[tall ledge]

I would guess it's more when communicating with the backend or something

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBh4FpcdV7o
some quality lounge content

[slim atlas]

Hi

[timber viper]

hi

hows your game going

[slim atlas]

good!

i wrote some enhancements for my objective system today

the map is awesome

i have dynamic barriers that stop the player from escaping the map

some areas are up to 28km far away

works flawlessly

[median wraith]

I had the call today the car garage because a bug in their software

for the next week bet they will need to replace the chip or something

[empty dune]

sho

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/leap-day-leap-year-february29-february-happy-leap-day-gif-16454709

https://tenor.com/view/jump-off-neo-keanu-reeves-trinity-carrie-anne-moss-gif-23023624

[unborn lotus]

oh shit that's right

[empty dune]

we lost space vietnam 😔

also helldivers 2 already has cheaters, that rootkit anti cheat did nothing lmao

[brittle holly]

The trailer looked very similar to starship troopers tbh

[empty dune]

it IS basically bootleg starship troopers

and not just "we have starship troopers at home" either

its better than the actual starship trooper game that came out last year

[timber viper]

rootkit anti cheats never work

idk who makes companies think it works

[trail wedge]

people selling rootkits

[median wraith]

Ice stalactites are hot this days

[summer cedar]

I assume you serve the Emperor and use your own root nuke-kit to destroy the enemy?

If not, flagellate yourself for heresy!

[slow gyro]

@void scroll Are you not allowing DMs? Discord refuses to let me answer you, and reports an error if I try to add you as a friend to work around it.

[shy veldt]

Exactly lol

[broken sigil]

It does work, it fulfills exactly its purpose

It stops the basic cheats, which is probably around 80-90% of people trying to cheat, it won't stop anyone determined to cheat and that's what you run into in games

The purpose of anti cheat is not to stop cheating but to reduce the impact of it

If the anti cheat wasn't at the kernel level it wouldn't be able to even do that much

[trail wedge]

detect and ban is better imo

[shy veldt]

While absolutely true, I feel AI and live service will replace that eventually.

[trail wedge]

also put something in your TOS so you can charge them a customer service fee for addressing unban requests

[shy veldt]

Nah, ban waves. Ban to fast and the hack companies while know what chabge they made that got them detected. Ban in a eave every few weeks and they cannot trace the chabge that made their cheats detectable.

[broken sigil]

Yeah it absolutely will, it's being in research for a while

Ai Based methods

[trail wedge]

I didn't say immediately... ban waves are a specific way to do what I said 😄

[celest musk]

you'll support that until they ban your account for no reason... right blizzard?

[shy veldt]

I'm working on one that can catch aim bot in VR

[celest musk]

you can't catch good cheats

[shy veldt]

Ye lol yes, but Ban and remove em fast just not too fast lol

[celest musk]

you only catch the low approach ones

[trail wedge]

Yes you can, artifical progress can always be detected; it's just not worth the effort most of the time

[shy veldt]

AI is going to be very useful with that one.

[broken sigil]

I think AI based methods are the future of anti cheats, detecting the effects of cheats rather than trying to stop them, after all AI excels at pattern recognition

[trail wedge]

ugh I just hate LLMs being called "AI" though... this is just the latest misusage of that term, it's like every 5 years they jump the gun and call any progress "AI"

[broken sigil]

Well ml but ai gets the point across

I hate it too

[trail wedge]

I remember LISP programs being called AI

[slow gyro]

Depends on how it's used. If it's gets installed on my device to check for cheats, they can f*ck right off

[shy veldt]

Yup! It's definitely interesting too because there are a few false positives too that you really have to make sure the AI does not trigger on

[trail wedge]

they just can't control themselves... now they invented the term AGI to mean what we all meant by true AI before

[shy veldt]

IE someone with sctual superhuman aim in VR versus a hacker

Like superhuman abilities at ganes is where AI now gets confused for ai anticheat

[trail wedge]

If the top 1% of players get false positive flags I literally wouldn't care

they aren't the bulk of the income

[celest musk]

if(weightedBool(0.9) { AutoAim() + RandomVectorInRange(); }

[slow gyro]

Unless they are 🐳 🐋

[shy veldt]

Csgo stickers and team skins lol

[broken sigil]

Top players is where it mostly gets tricky for false positives

[trail wedge]

Whales will just make another account

[trail wedge]

right... so fuck 'em 😛

[slow gyro]

Sure, but the companies still cater to them

[shy veldt]

Ye, I had to bring in a couple pro Pavlov players and some marines with istock to make a good ref for false positives

[trail wedge]

top players are also the biggest complainers and most entitled people

[shy veldt]

Cod pro leagues(banned snipers recently, all of em)

[median wraith]

eXi! long time don't see you in this sub channel

[slow gyro]

I surely don't like cheaters, but I gotta be honest, between Cheaters, AI on my device, or a kernel level anti cheat, I simply choose to play a different game. idk if that's a weird idea

[broken sigil]

It's tough to balance, especially with soft aombots and pixel bots, because it can look like a pro player

[slow gyro]

Good day good sir. Glad to see you are still around

[median wraith]

yeah, you aren't alone man, think the same... despite with all got AI now on the GPU 😅

[broken sigil]

I mean I'll take user level AI over kernel anti cheat any day

[trail wedge]

This is a multiplayer only problem anyway in most cases

[median wraith]

As long as I can! nice to see you

[shy veldt]

Exactly, the difference is spotted through PrevAimRot and Pos, compare to new rot/loc of ain, distance theoretical moved over time to line up shot, and accuracy percentage.

Anything too perfect or too robotic or too rhythmic can trigger it

[trail wedge]

or just flag sus stuff that might not be cheating but if the account is constantly doing it you have a pretty good idea

[slow gyro]

I don't dislike AI. I can imagine AI def being used for a lot of good stuff. Only recently I wondered if it can be used, on a smaller chip, to drive artificial limbs/prosthesis better.

I just feel like it's being used for a lot of crap

Whatever you call it, AI or not

[trail wedge]

ummm you don't even need a GPU Llama.cpp has CPU backend

and it runs on a RaspberryPi

[shy veldt]

Ye, they get flagged then unflagged once their shots or accuracy starts slipping into normal ranges since some could be really lucky perfect shot. Requires a few flags for the system to mark you as a cheater internally

[broken sigil]

Yeah, human, no matter how good they are will always have momentum to their aim which is tough to artificially replicate (theoretically AI based cheat could)

[shy veldt]

Yup. And in VR, we have a special little extra movement data to make use of in checking versus normal games.

[trail wedge]

It's not about finding one foolproof instance of cheating it's about detecting patterns...

We aren't taking them to court and trying to prosecute, we're doing detective work

[celest musk]

maybe

but

very

slow...

[trail wedge]

nah it's faster than you typed that message

[celest musk]

no

way

probably only with smol models

[trail wedge]

I mean go DL it and install it on your Pi (if you have one)

[broken sigil]

Yeah I mean at some point just ban if the system is confident enough, there will be false positives but it's a tradeoff

[trail wedge]

1 - 4gb models are usually pretty fast

[celest musk]

yea ok

but they are also pretty boring

[trail wedge]

ok sure, disagree

[celest musk]

unless trained for specific tasks

[slow gyro]

There are already false positives, even without AI, so I doubt this is a big problem/concern

[celest musk]

just trying to see the use case for LLM on RPI

[trail wedge]

I didn't say there was one but I can think of several

my main point was about CPU on a PC I was just giving an example of an extreme low end situation

a few months back and it really was GPU only

[median wraith]

Oh sure, I just meant Nvidia added a GPU chat AI and the upscalers and such plus the core things, sure you can load any thing on GPUs or CPUs for AI related stuff

[median wraith]

I wish they can use that to help people on those kind of cases tbh

Got a friend from here that uses the Screen Space Skin methods to detect cancers

flashing high intensity lights the cancer is more dense don't let the light pass

sadly had to leave the country as here is 0 money for investigators

[trail wedge]

LLMs are already being used in a ton of research and medical stuff but they get talked about less because artists cry the loudest

I bet every artist on DeviantArt pays royalties to all the IP they trained off of when learning to draw /s

Honestly copyright should have died a long time ago, LLMs and better "AI"s might just finally kill it

[slow gyro]

Ah, not in spain anymore?

Was it spain?

Spain without the S?

[trail wedge]

...and I'll be mad we solved copyright before getting rid of Daylight Savings Time at that point

[median wraith]

haha basically, I plan to move also (maybe)

[median wraith]

yeah he moved to Switzerland

[shy veldt]

Copyright is important. What keeps me from completely stealing another games marketing for example by using search algorithm optimization along with stealing the game name and marketing imagery. Without copyright, would be entirely legal and the original dev would have no recourse; at least in the US form of copyright law.

[shy veldt]

Rip its cold there

[trail wedge]

None of that's gonna matter once employment is optional..... we're either going to have volunteer employment + UBI or shit is gonna turn violent and bad in the near future

[shy veldt]

Oh it will matter since Art, games, and more will never be compelled by AI.

A robot could not recreate my years as a Michelin starred chef nor replicate some of my more complex dishes.

Would take another century of research before robotics are good enough to replace chefs lol

At least in terms of AI smelling, tactile feeling, tasting, and visual inspection and rationalization of proper ingredients.

It took lifetimes to get AI just to speak like us.

[trail wedge]

I don't thinky you're about that but I also don't think any of that changes what I thing will or should happen

you don't need any of that to get rid of 80% of the workforce

and copyright was fine when it had resonable limits like patents

but life of author+ is just stupid

4 years.. make money or fuck off

[shy veldt]

Oh it's an interesting conversation.

If copyright for art didn't exist, any Michelin star Resturant in the US could steal another Michelin star establishments recipes with no legal consequences.

Some recipes are protected and older than you or I.

[trail wedge]

ok and that would be better for everybody

more good food available

[shy veldt]

Same with movie concepts. An actor can steal a whole script and ruin a 500 million $ production at no legal consequence.

[trail wedge]

yep

I don't see these as bad things

[foggy path]

^agree

[shy veldt]

It's not more good food, most people cannot afford the ingredients that also struggle with food insecurities

[trail wedge]

and this doesn't affect any of that

[shy veldt]

Copyright does tho

Those recipes and such just as a movie script, are copy righted

[trail wedge]

you're talking about high end restaurants that care what a Tire company's travel guide rates them (for marketing obviously)

[shy veldt]

Without copyright, an actor can ruin a 500 mil production at no legal consequence.

[trail wedge]

ok

they can now

with copyright

[median wraith]

is about 400km to the north from where we are at, don't think will be an issue for he

[shy veldt]

They cannot without legal consequences. The only legal vector a studio would have to punish the actor and the company that stole the script is copyright and the precedent case law in the US.

[shy veldt]

Oh so he's not too far out of his element, that's good!

[trail wedge]

Actors ruin movies all the time without involving copyright... sure your specific strawman situation won't happen but they can just do a bad job and ruin the movie

[shy veldt]

This is not strawman, this is precedent US case law surrounding copyright lol

The stuff discussed in law school

[foggy path]

The only reason "it could be ruined without copyright" is because the economic systems involved make it infeasible to make a movie for fun

So it's basically just a rigged shitty system all round

[trail wedge]

it is a strawman because you're acting like this is a common occurrence or something worth considering instead of identifying it as an edge case

[shy veldt]

IP theft is a common occurrence with thousands of cases filled yearly with the USCO.

[trail wedge]

while we're at it, movies shouldn't cost million of dollars... they're just tax shelters

[shy veldt]

Most related to marketing, art, advertising.

[foggy path]

The only reason copyright matters is because of money. That's it. It would be literally irrelevant if money was not involved

[trail wedge]

IP theft should not be a thing because none of this will matter once we're mostly not working which will be sooner than they can change the laws

it's ok you'll be the one to win... they'll keep copyright until the absolute last second possible

[shy veldt]

I strongly recommend against that opinion if you feel you would hate to see your gane and years of your life taken with no recognition to you.

[trail wedge]

I literally don't care if people pirate something I made

[foggy path]

Yeah nobody would care if money wasn't involved

[shy veldt]

Not pirate, steal the entire project. You do not get any recognition.

[foggy path]

Who cares?

What is anyone gonna do with recognition lol

[shy veldt]

Problem is, money is involved and until we are living in our ideal world where no money is needed, we have to make concessions with the real world in our strive for the ideal world.

[trail wedge]

I already don't want to be in credits anyway... I had to fight to be removed at my last company

not all of us are fame whores