Hopefully you don’t have to move to Frankfurt for it tho.
#lounge
brittle holly
timber viper
true
timber viper
I'm sad
soft night
brittle holly
The definition of chill
broken sigil
I can't get over how good this games looks lol
proud jay
I can't get over how good this games looks lol
you made these shots?
broken sigil
yeah
proud jay
very cool
I should try it again
I have it on ps5
haven't played since soon after launch
when I rage quit after a shitty gun fight
idk if I should just continue or start over though
broken sigil
and here is one for emotional damage for those who played it and got the same ending, those who know will know, won't say anything else 😆
versed vector
I can't get over how good this games looks lol
why does the road look like that though? The double yellow looks right but the road itself??
broken sigil
why does the road look like that though? The double yellow looks right but the r...
it's at the "fancy" part of the city with shiny roads 
versed vector
those rich people don't need grip anyways!
broken sigil
idk if I should just continue or start over though
Get the phanotm liberty dlc and play from the start
Once you get to phantom liberty content it's basically a self contained story within a new portion of the city
the dlc is one of the best games and stories I have ever played, it's up there
This is the best Cyberpunk as a whole has ever been, perfect time to give it another shot
And if you can play it with pathtracing, it looks incredibly good
proud jay
but if it's completely separate why would I start with it
I already have the base game 🙃
and unfinished
broken sigil
Get the phanotm liberty dlc and play from the start
Once you get to phantom libe...
I loved the base game but the dlc is something special
median wraith
and here is one for emotional damage for those who played it and got the same en...
That corner looks better than any scene that took. me 2 days todo
broken sigil
but if it's completely separate why would I start with it
the story is quite self contained but stuff ties into the main game, if you already have a save you can just continue from there into the dlc
But they have an option to just skip the main story and go straight to dlc which is imo the worst way to play it
either start from scratch or continue your save
broken sigil
That corner looks better than any scene that took. me 2 days todo
😅
the dlc could be a standalone game on its own and I wouldn't have complained, it's that good
median wraith
It's RT?
proud jay
the story is quite self contained but stuff ties into the main game, if you alre...
so start fresh, play normal story and then dlc when encountered?
but idk if I wanna splurge on the dlc yet
broken sigil
so start fresh, play normal story and then dlc when encountered?
yeah, it pops up at about half way through the main story
proud jay
it's 30 buckaroos
median wraith
ray traced?
Yep, the images are RT?
proud jay
who says I'll even play till halfway the story lol
broken sigil
Yep, the images are RT?
Pathtraced, I played with pathtracing the whole thing
median wraith
Well, that's even more quality so
Then here I'm spending a lot of time not even using Lumen to make it look semi good
Was worst on mobiles 🤣
broken sigil
Honestly pathtracing in cyberpunk is super impressive, even if it does require DLSS and possibly frame gen if you want a smoother experience, still super impressive
median wraith
I mean patchtracing isn't on any other game I know?
Is the complete RT render pass
broken sigil
think it might be in portal RTX too but that's it
broken sigil
Is the complete RT render pass
it's basically a combo of rasterized geometry but fully pathtaced lighting
broken sigil
This as impressive as it is, it runs so well only because it's using a tiny number of samples per pixel and accumulation over multiple frames (which would break the geometry if it was fully pathtaced)
And for the final image it relies both on upscaling and denoisers or with the latest updates on AI to reconstruct the final image to basically hallucinate extra detail (ray reconstruction) which replaces the denoisers
slim atlas
and here is one for emotional damage for those who played it and got the same en...
is that???
broken sigil
that's my experience without RR, with RR looks absolutely amazing imo
lucid sand
LOL
broken sigil
is that???
If this image means anything to you then yes 😆
If not then no 😛
slim atlas
🐦 🎵
slim atlas
welp
we had these graphics 2007 already
So its really a shame that starfields looks so shit
brittle holly
I lol-ed when I saw Glinny’s post on a Crysis 4 job post
An RTX 5090 will prly not be enough to run it
slim atlas
I lol-ed when I saw Glinny’s post on a Crysis 4 job post
why
brittle holly
Based on how they’re previous iterations had SpaceX computer requirements
And also the fact that it’s EA so they’ll likely find a way to f it up
brittle holly
Oh?
slim atlas
they split from EA after crysis 3
brittle holly
I had no idea, but that sounds like an excellent business decision
Maybe there’s yet hope
slim atlas
its a german studio
ofc they make excellent quality decisions
we invented quality and discipline.
lucid sand
Half life 2 🙂 ?
you are learning opengl
u could make ur own engine
and remake it
🙂
brittle holly
Episode 3 soon TM
median wraith
Well, at this point all the modern techs looks noise so...
brittle holly
Yeah, maybe we should recommend it to that troll that was asking for 32bit vr mobile support
brittle holly
DirectX12 == bane of AAA studios, they just can’t seem to get it to work properly
lucid sand
O_O
i will buy
Dirctx 12 by laura
book
so i can build own my custom tool for
unreal
brittle holly
Dirctx 12 by laura
DX12L
median wraith
Somehow I like old graphics if you ask me are more interesting to be played
lucid sand
LOL
brittle holly
Just turn off motion blur, problem solved 🙃
broken sigil
Directory CTX 12
Everyone knows that
brittle holly
Why you peddling this ?
brittle holly
Are you being sponsored by OpenGL? Cause if you are, you have to tell us 😆
unreal ether
that do the awful backend stuff for us
lucid sand
idk how u gonna implmenet PHysics engine tho
median wraith
Just turn off motion blur, problem solved 🙃
isn't that but AO, TAA, MB etx
unreal ether
just use SDL or something like a normal person
lucid sand
median wraith
Dirty hacks started on yhe last gen with TAA and SSR
unreal ether
now this looks interesting
broken sigil
just use SDL or something like a normal person
just render your game in ascii in the console itself, why use any rendering libraries at all
unreal ether
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYRhSKjlKws
my favourite part is the bullets shooting from in between your legs
lucid sand
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
unreal ether
its not webdev mentality to move away from the fossil age.
it's 2023 we don't have to smash rocks together to draw things on screen :P
lucid sand
are u going to use WPF
for u
game ui ?
or u gonna use
eh
what was it
c++ gui lbibrary
broken sigil
just render your game in ascii in the console itself, why use any rendering libr...
I actually think this would be kinda cool
unreal ether
I actually think this would be kinda cool
it would indeed
imgui for game ui?!
have you gone insane?!
unreal ether
its passable for some other stuff
lucid sand
i think u can customize it ?
broken sigil
ngl I would play a game like this 😅
https://youtu.be/fW-pDkDvcfE
pathtraced ascii renderer when 
unreal ether
CP2077 - Console Project 2077
lucid sand
broken sigil
CP2077 - Console Project 2077
lol
median wraith
ngl I would play a game like this 😅
https://youtu.be/fW-pDkDvcfE
Got a shader for that
But unsure after play like that for some mins how you will feel
broken sigil
lol wtf
Ok I had no idea you can actually do that in that game
broken sigil
But unsure after play like that for some mins how you will feel
it looks cool but would probably get nauseating real quick 😆
brittle holly
It can pass for a human?
brittle holly
laptop?!
brittle holly
Why tf would anyone in their right mind use a laptop for game dev
lucid sand
?!?!?
broken sigil
ok I need to mess with that game, I have been ignoring its existance for years lol
broken sigil
welp that's good to know 😆
brittle holly
ok I need to mess with that game, I have been ignoring its existance for years l...
I wish I could, I just have an aversion to games with those kind of graphics
But Satisfactory was nice!
If the pixels are cubes I can see with the naked eye, I just can’t
broken sigil
While I like my fancy pathtracing I do quite enjoy "stylized" games too, or "retro" looking
median wraith
it looks cool but would probably get nauseating real quick 😆
Not exactly the same but if you made a game using pixel art unfiltered say like Minecraft but smaller pixels and you fast move all the time, like a racing game it will cause nausea fast too
broken sigil
yeah
median wraith
didn't played but since in this one thr view range is low it works
broken sigil
those are cool for the first 20 minutes 😅
median wraith
but yeah the noise aligned to screen...
brittle holly
That’s actually pretty nice
brittle holly
Laura be sorting people out 😀
brittle holly
You somehow managed to make that atrocious AI “art” worse
timber viper
https://tenor.com/view/wiggle-jackie-flathead-cyberpunk2077-dance-gif-26400729
rest in peace 
broken sigil
rest in peace <:sad:830665992081637376>
🥲
broken sigil
thoughts about johnny?
He is an as* at the start but towards the end of the game, especially if you are friendly to him becomes this little sarcastic gremlin in your ear 😅
the way his story is told throughout the game is quite good
celest musk
oh, github updated?
unreal ether
i love reading the issues of ue5coro and how a surprising number of them are just not issues with the plugin 😆
unreal ether
i read it. it made me tear up in happiness.
actual repro steps, expected/actual behaviour.... useful information for the developer 🥹
lucid sand
:ㅒ
😮
Image censored
nothing is showing 😦
same thing here 😦
it shows nothing ;- ;
unreal ether
i still don't get powershell. maybe because im not IT
its just blue cmd where the commands don't work
lucid sand
u know what?
timber viper
lucid sand
i still dont know the difference between cmd and powershell
everyone is stealing my
emojis
wth
but ?
ooooo
they look ugly
lucid sand
pale scarab
I think we have to be really smart to use unreal 😦
It really sucks for people like me
Because getting help is so rare 😦
In unity, getting help is so easy but I will still continue to use unreal. I have faith in myself 💪
brittle holly
Because getting help is so rare 😦
Seems a bit ungrateful to this community but 🤷♂️
pale scarab
Seems a bit ungrateful to this community but 🤷♂️
🤷♀️ really? I didn't mean it that way. Just hard to get help, that's all. Not insulting u guys at all, I can only blame myself tbh because I'm not smart 🤷♀️
brittle holly
🤷♀️ really? I didn't mean it that way. Just hard to get help, that's all. Not...
It’s not really that hard, you ask in the right channel, sometime you might have to wait, but usually you get an answer
I can understand feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of this engine, I’m right there with you often, but if you need help just ask, and people will help when able
pale scarab
I can understand feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of this engine, I’m right...
Thank you so much 😊 you're right. I have to take it slow and be patient. Haha again, Ty. You did help me alot before btw haha
cursive crypt
Wth happened with Discord mobile, they screwed the channel/server list. It is so much worse now. I don't want to scroll through each 5 channels because they have ultrahd thumbs.
... oh, found a setting to restore it back. Peace established.
timber viper
its 🇹🇷
cursive crypt
I saw some comments it is just few hundred % increase for Turkey. That huge number is from some old game.
zinc wagon
I don't care what you think of this situation but you gotta admit this is really funny
celest musk
some people pointed out that some of the "flaws" could be from AI upscalers
while some of the stuff the point out can be due to low source resolution
so spreading that this is AI generated, could be actually spreading propaganda
and all that twitter/x idiot pool jumps on that train...
regal pecan
Either way it's propaganda.
But the AI upscaler excuse does seem plausible. It looks so bad, but the scenes are so accurate. That would be a pretty nice model to work with.
versed vector
It is propaganda both ways, as you say. The twitter account in question posts nothing aside from propaganda and the person behind it was or is an advisor to the Israeli PM.
That said, I don't know why they bothered to upscale the images, seems really unnecessary to give ammunition to people that want to call it fake: https://www.gettyimages.no/photos/day-in-the-life-of-hamas-leader-khalid-mishal
proud jay
I mean it's not wrong though, I don't think the non-hamas palestinians particularly like them either
people when new unreal drops
celest musk
every first tuesday of the month^^
celest musk
so what you are saying is that dieter only delivers A quality during the week?
median wraith
Idk
unborn lotus
Another day alive to work
This is the way
How else am I gonna afford the latest iphone??
proud jay
just get a job that gives you one
median wraith
just get a job that gives you one
like the people workin in our government getting the new one each 3 years
celest musk
maybe you do without being aware of it
median wraith
How else am I gonna afford the latest iphone??
na this will be for non luxuries zanks
celest musk
ah nvm, your country barely has any government, how would you even work for them
median wraith
and I don't work for the government
either the ones there do
median wraith
hows that?
median wraith
you mean politic parties?
celest musk
they really got the balls to say that their coalition is democratic 😄
proud jay
one federal, one walloon region, one brussels region, one for french community, one for german community, and then one that is combined for the flemish region and community
the federal one is the one with crazy coallitions
celest musk
that's like 7 people vote for different pizza toppings andthen you get a pizza with all of them served
while being allergic against at least 3 of the toppings
median wraith
We got like 4 at the same time parties governing, nobody got the majority
proud jay
the flemish region and community use to be 2 separate gvts as well, but we were smart enough to merge them
median wraith
one federal, one walloon region, one brussels region, one for french community, ...
that's strange as hell
proud jay
thanks
median wraith
we got the central and then per community
but only a main government with their lobbies
unborn lotus
like the people workin in our government getting the new one each 3 years
Dude, same here lol
Auctions are public and each year we see their new iphone pros
That cost as much as three average monthly salaries
median wraith
Auctions are public and each year we see their new iphone pros
Na here they put on the news
5 millions euros batch only to pay their phones
and the tablets
median wraith
That cost as much as three average monthly salaries
Na here is 1/4 - 1/6 of what they get monthly
pearl elk
If the phones were so smart theyd auction themselves
median wraith
That cost as much as three average monthly salaries
Here is about 1 month after pay all taxes
proud jay
politicians, more like poorliticians
our parliament guys get 7k a month, and they don't even have to show up
median wage is 3.5k btw
pearl elk
I think we should fire the government people and let the phones do their jobs
median wraith
our parliament guys get 7k a month, and they don't even have to show up
same here
proud jay
one woman in parliament has been caught for fraud of laundering 2 million euros
she's still not suspended, hasn't shown up to parliament in 2 years and is still getting paid
make it make sense
median wraith
Good to know our income isn't like in Germany or alike countries, but they get the same or more income
They have 100k per year incomes
proud jay
of course a lot of politicians have side gigs working as advisors for companies and the likes, definitely no conflict of interest
zinc wagon
some people pointed out that some of the "flaws" could be from AI upscalers
I would've agreed if it wasn't for the horribly disfigured faces and hands some a AI generator would mess up
And an upscaler would look mushy and oddly smooth, the tweeted picture is not it's actually grinny as if someone added it later through Photoshop which defeats the point of using an upscaler in the first place
unborn lotus
our parliament guys get 7k a month, and they don't even have to show up
Our guys made a new law where they can get like 50k euros to pay their rent, utilities or loans
Milions of euros straight from the EU in their pockets 🥲
unborn lotus
This is a jk world
I thought it was mostly the corrupt eastern europe like they say on the news 😂
median wraith
they wish
unborn lotus
And they keep us out of schengen too 🥲
median wraith
We arr still waiting the stolen money to return from 2009 and such
just some hundred billions
They went to prison but
pearl elk
No iphones in prison
soft night
proud jay
why is my github not showing commit activity 🤔
soft night
there was some phones on prison but was exposed by amber alert https://www.tmz.com/2023/10/07/national-emergency-phone-system-alert-prisoners-cell-phones-jail-busted/
pearl elk
So what youre telling me is any one of you might be a prisoner
median wraith
why is my github not showing commit activity 🤔
maybe server issue? yesterday had issues pushing
proud jay
lol I found the issue
apparently I've been using the wrong email adress to commit for years
didn't even notice
median wraith
Github ask me to put my private repo public, so people can see my achievements
My push email info is under cammo
Had people reaching me via email
proud jay
I just added the email to my github and it worked thuogh
even though I don't have access to the email anymore lol
meaning, I could anyone's email to my git account and have very nice contributions
as long as they don't notice the email in their inbox and actively block me
median wraith
oh yeah same here
but used to be a noob
in other hand had 2 emails from cool people giving me the thanks for the repos
so that's good
better than the threats of death I got way before from my mapping blog
Had a blog of tutorials for mapping, made a lot of them, others were from a friend and I took 2 from a dude I asked and never replied, 1 year later rather than contact me, he made a post on a forum ranting about me and all the people following he came to me sending me that via email
so I closed the blog (worst part is after the 5º email I didn't know whats going on and replied one of them to ask, and he told me)
soft night
pearl elk
Had a blog of tutorials for mapping, made a lot of them, others were from a frie...
So Im not the only one this happens to. I got a random message one day saying someone was ranting about me on another discord server 😆
median wraith
That's a different topic
We all got people ranting about us somewhere
only if you never interacted with anyone won't
you never played CIV ?
oh, spotted it
pearl elk
I dont interact with people... ewew
soft night
waxen mulch
@timber viper Solid Article btw "Performance guideline for blueprints and making sense of blueprint VM"
Love reading community made documents
timber viper
<@748517221608980631> Solid Article btw "Performance guideline for blueprints an...
Glad you liked it 
median wraith
someone knows how to see steam most played demos only* ?
pearl elk
median wraith
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CylpWBFLuwX @sand oxide reminded me of the 2 days ago conversation about coworkers
Instagram
cursive crypt
someone knows how to see steam most played demos only* ?
Maybe if you get the list of demos and then just scrap one of the public steam charts for matches, you can make one.
median wraith
Just I see someone getting a "New & Trending" tab for demos, but cannot figure out where is that
median wraith
https://tenor.com/view/futurama-tube-gif-19333391
That's satisfactory
river sable
https://tenor.com/view/reverse-ride-viralhog-water-slide-fail-epic-fail-fall-gif...
this is one of my nightmares
chrome gull
That's satisfactory
That's Futurama
median wraith
That's Futurama
But the pipe is like me on satisfactory
median wraith
Would say isn't even close
Never played factorio aside of the demo but looks more interesting because the enemies
Can recommend you Mindustry
Is the Factorio Call of Duty
Yeah I'm totally into that, is the spicy touch
Mindustry is basically mainly about defend yourself from the enemies making factories
Factorio is more about reach the end
tulip orbit
I'm looking forward to the next big update, they're adding raised train tracks
thought it was part of the main game? the space part will be expansion
dont matter tho, I'm going to get the expansion
chrome gull
damn looks like this (https://store.steampowered.com/app/602320/Train_Valley_2/) and Fallout 4's factory/settlement building system had a child
yeah it's a nice game, was free on EGS so I grabbed it
I play it in my college to pass time
tulip orbit
All of the elevated rails will be only available with the expansion executable oh, damnit. eh, like I said I'm gonna get the expansion regardless
chrome gull
try it, it's fun
tulip orbit
yeah
queen isle
chrome gull
oooh satisfactory looks intriguing
I'd buy it but my backlog is very big already
that was free on EGS, right?
idk sounded familiar
why is the launcher asking me for credentials out of the blue lol
captcha is annoying
okay you were right, it wasn't
I wish there was something like 2FA without me having to search for my devices or in my inbox
unborn lotus
I bought Control and rdr2 on the egs
because my morals crumble when there's a 15 bucks discount
chrome gull
I remember buying something on EGS too
one of them was Rider's Republic
I don't remember what the others are
brittle holly
does GOG still exist? and wat's wrong with Steam?
fleet tangle
It's not hipster enough?
fluid bloom
it's amazing how crappy the app is
I mean, why can't companies make native applications these days?
why does it need web tech
oh wait, I know. They want cheap javascript devs
median wraith
does GOG still exist? and wat's wrong with Steam?
you don't own anything on Steam
check the EULA
brittle holly
that's ok, those compact disc organizers were always kinda ugly
Well, not a huge selection of the newer games but hey they still have Heroes of Might & Magic III so I'll give them bonus points
ah fair enough
I never knew what GOG stood for tbh
ahhh I rmbr my dad teaching me how to unpack a .bat file back then, good times
I think other than Prince of Persia, Crusader No Regrets and No Remorse were the ones that stuck with me
unborn lotus
queen isle
"Good Old Games"
brittle holly
Should be Good ole'
yeah, ig the PC File Compression Specialists are no more
🤷
diff times back then ig
fathom wadi
yeah, ig the PC File Compression Specialists are no more
They are, but they are all warez people 🙂
median wraith
@sand oxide by the way you have the Mindustry on Itch for free in case you want to give a try
karmic meadow
MS Paint now has background removal and layers
i am not using anything else now (i dont use any fancy photoshop tools)
fathom wadi
we dont count facebook employees as real people tho.
I was going to say Meta AI but metahumans seems apt
even a broken clock is right twice a day
carmine frigate
not every broken clock
fathom wadi
ok a stopped clock
broken sigil
They want to "fight" against open AI, and the best way to cause them actual damage is by releasing very capable models as open source
At least how I see it
fathom wadi
time doesn't exist. It was a scam created by sundial salesmen.
broken sigil
ah, true
carmine frigate
yea zuck was top dawg evil guy til Elon
now im starting to like zuck 😛
zuck might have invented elon to make him look good
celest musk
yea zuck was top dawg evil guy til Elon
well i think it's about the publicity
news cherry pick what they release
and people love drama... most "newspapers" are just day to day drama papers
broken sigil
now im starting to like zuck 😛
carmine frigate
gimme that captcha test and ill prove it
fathom wadi
broken sigil
fleet tangle
This is my reaction as well.
rare sparrow
https://youtu.be/x6HcUsyVsBo
Is that Markiplier's editor?
broken sigil
Is that Markiplier's editor?
Pretty sure yeah
queen isle
i swear youtube has recommend me like a 100+ (i've leaving unity videos)
someone released their demo and it's 17 gigs. Seems kinda huge to me
broken sigil
I just like hearing what other people think, their perspective
brittle holly
Was this pre-Unity fucking over all of their devs?
The retroactive TOS revenue share change
fleet tangle
He sold some of his shares before the recent announcement.
celest musk
wasnt the amount of shares he sold next to nothing compared of the amount he owns?
fleet tangle
He sold 2000 shares.
He's sold 50,000 shares in teh year previous to that.
So it's a drop in the ocean.
celest musk
i just watched a tutorial about how to make underlined text in UMG
and they just dropped a border below it 😄
celest musk
i wonder which solution has the higher command footprint in the render pipeline
queen isle
for some reason UMG can take up alot of reosurces
zinc matrix
How long it would normally take an experienced dev to make Elden Ring in UE5, not taken into account asset like model and animation, but mostly logic like combat system and inventory, etc?
About, 1 year?
fleet tangle
You can't really do one without the other. Combat animations, for instance, are heavily tied to the combat system.
You'd need test assets at the very least.
unreal ether
You either want to make elden ring or you want to make a loose combination of mechanics with no substance
zinc matrix
You can't really do one without the other. Combat animations, for instance, are ...
Like assume you had a free team of animator working for you?
Or you have a bunch of place holder assets
fleet tangle
In essence the gameplay programming of something like Elden Ring is pretty simple.
If you're new to UE and you wanted a single player game with 100% box/programmer art, a couple of years?
Depends how much time you have.
If you've got experience, a couple of months?
zinc matrix
6 months?
fleet tangle
Much less. System are really simple.
zinc matrix
then why does it took a lot of money to make the actual Elden Ring
fleet tangle
I haven't played Elden Ring, but I can't think of a single-player game that isn't an RTS that requires super hard stuff that isn't involved in the rendering side of things.
zinc matrix
is it all asset and level design stuff
unreal ether
Because you've got 99% of the game left
zinc matrix
but... Lyra
fleet tangle
The bulk of the work is actually adding the content.
unreal ether
Engine stuff, audio, level design, game design, story writing, music, VFX, marketing, platform support, UI, testing, more testing, some testing as well, animation, environment art, character art. The list goes on
fleet tangle
I'm willing to bet most of Lyra is multiplayer stuff.
unreal ether
Gameplay programming is such a small subset of stuff in a shipped title
fleet tangle
Yeah.
It's nothing that is required for an offline single player game.
You want to make the next counter strike 2? Or the next star craft or LoL?
That shit is hard.
foggy sluice
We need new RPG unreal project
I’m building a modern mafia version of Skyrim in a realistic fictional setting
…
unreal ether
I'm already fed up of seeing Lyra just being packaged and shipped on a storefront. Please don't encourage them 😭
zinc matrix
I’m building a modern mafia version of Skyrim in a realistic fictional setting
you need to show us some Midjourney concept
foggy sluice
you need to show us some Midjourney concept
That would require confidence
zinc matrix
I'm willing to bet most of Lyra is multiplayer stuff.
well thank you for that
foggy sluice
I wrote a story and decided to make it a rpg
fleet tangle
Just don't do a Viktor and assume that the millions of pounds that go into games like Skyrim are split 50/50 with art and programming.
foggy sluice
My story does open with the player being abducted by “The Commission “ for a made member ceremony. That is where they create a character and pick a family
unreal ether
Hey you! you're finally awake
foggy sluice
More like bagged and taken
zinc matrix
I was making a mock that you can't really turned a story into a game. You can turned a story into a manga or movie in the other hand.
If you gonna make a good game, you need to base the game on ideas of mechanic, from that create the actual gameplay.
If you go down the story part, you may make game with shitty mechanic like hogward legacy
I mean, what is the point anyway
Some still sell
foggy sluice
Games have plots
And storylines. I’m using the plot of my work to create it in a game. They won’t be identical but it’s the same universe of storytelling
zinc matrix
Just don't do a Viktor and assume that the millions of pounds that go into games...
how do you know the numbers though? do they ever tell
fleet tangle
Games have very different plots to films, though, unless it's a telltale game.
foggy sluice
It’s not a film
fleet tangle
That's the point.
foggy sluice
It started as a novel but turned into a game script
zinc matrix
it's the same thing but different express
foggy sluice
It’s all a story none the less
It won’t be like the games you see in Netflix tho. Those are boring to me
It’ll be like Far Cry’s open world experience and skyrims experience. That’s my goal. But it’s own experience
foggy sluice
The missions are the storyline with cutscenes in between
foggy sluice
It’s guided but at players pace
fleet tangle
That isn't Skyrim.
foggy sluice
Don’t doubt people who have nothing but time, Besides that’s something else.
My game is unnamed
fleet tangle
Time doesn't mean motivation, talent and resources, though.
foggy sluice
Just “Project Two”
fleet tangle
I'm not saying you don't have those things!
celest musk
you still wont even come close to it in 2years
foggy sluice
You’re right but you don’t know my dedication or commitment. So don’t doubt it
celest musk
no matter if you work 24h a day or not
zinc matrix
I think he is having a hype at the begin of a journey
Trust me the hype go away fast
foggy sluice
If you believe that then that’s cool. But idc what you think about my project.
zinc matrix
Just go C++ for about 3 months
foggy sluice
I joined this server because I thought it’d be useful with questions.. I will gladly share progress as I go when it’s ready to share
unreal ether
No one's trying to make you change your mind at all. It's great that you've got a defined goal you're working to. It's just gonna take longer than you think. Everything in game Dev has a habit of being deceptively long :P
broken sigil
No one's trying to make you change your mind at all. It's great that you've got ...
"I will release my vehicle physics V2 plugin in about half a year" - said Blue Man a year ago
zinc matrix
That shit is hard.
But then how long would it take to make something like that
you said offline Elden Ring is like 4 months
how about online Elden Ring
12 months now?
unreal ether
"I will release my vehicle physics V2 plugin in about half a year" - *said Blue ...
"I'm just gonna make an MVP for my game in 6 months!" 9 months and 1.5 years of burnout later:
fleet tangle
Multiplayer requires radically different way of thinking and introduces many, many more considerations and possible issues.
unreal ether
Times it by 3, then 9, then 12.5 and minus 1
fleet tangle
And that's not even consider possible out-of-game type integrations like scoreboards and shit.
broken sigil
12 months now?
take any estimate you have, multiply it by 2 and then multiply that by 2, then to have some extra time multiply that by 1.4 and you got a decent estimate of how long it's gonna take
fleet tangle
And do that again for multiplayer.
broken sigil
and I'm not even joking when I say that 😅
fleet tangle
I was given a task last year, I said "eh, I think I can probably get this done in a few weeks."
I'm still working on it over a year later.
zinc matrix
take any estimate you have, multiply it by 2 and then multiply that by 2, then t...
but seriously, how much, like 4*4 1.4 = 22.4 months you mean
unreal ether
My multiplayer estimates are always "add two years for implementation and another for pain and suffering" :P
God help you as a solo Dev with little networking experience if you have to deviate from built in tools. I do not envy the person having to spend a few months centuries writing prediction and rollback for everything
zinc matrix
so basically what you guys are saying is
Elden Ring offline = 4 months
Elden Ring multiplayer = 2 years
aren't those number feel very far away? didn't make any sense
broken sigil
I was given a task last year, I said "eh, I think I can probably get this done i...
lol
My current task was supposed to be a quick 1 month job, it's been about 5-6 months now
My previous task was supposed to be half a year long, it took 2 years
I wish we were overexaggerating 😆
unreal ether
so basically what you guys are saying is
Elden Ring offline = 4 months
Elden Rin...
Honestly still generous considering you are still calling it elden ring when it's just "gameplay mechanics kind of like elden ring"
If you actually want elden ring you can bump that to 15-20 years
broken sigil
lol
My current task was supposed to be a quick 1 month job, it's been about 5-6 ...
Most is thanks to our good old friend feature-creep and unexpected issues
unreal ether
Just expect the issues, duh!
broken sigil
brittle holly
Elden Ring offline 4 months? That’s generous af for a solo dev
broken sigil
40 sounds more realistic
fleet tangle
lol
My current task was supposed to be a quick 1 month job, it's been about 5-6 ...
To be fair, I probably could have done the task as it was originally... but then changing goalposts on a weekly basis for 6 months straight, a ui redesign by somebody else that removed all the dynamic content generator (it was just a static "this is what it should look like" (in slate)) later and then "it needs to be simpler, remove all these features... oh and make it work like tihs other program, not the one we originally talked about"
But it made it into UE Fest, so I'm happy! 😄
brittle holly
Don’t you just love the “make it work like this other thing” requests? I feel like it’s the bane of every programmer
zinc matrix
Have anyone tried to solo dev a AAA game system though?
broken sigil
To be fair, I probably could have done the task as it was originally... but then...
Oh yeah similar here, I worked on a whole bunch of tools for our atists and automation for our content pipeline, as I was finally reaching the goal there were constant new requests coming in from people that are using it
So I've been basically chasing the goal line that's running away from me for 2 years lol
zinc matrix
All those youtube game devlog is like indie stuff
brittle holly
Have anyone tried to solo dev a AAA game system though?
I’m sure many have tried but that’s an oxymoron to begin with
Solo dev a AAA game that is
unreal ether
A single system? Yes, most quite easily. The whole ass game? No not at all
brittle holly
A single system? Yes, most quite easily. The whole ass game? No not at all
I didn’t say any of them succeeded 😈
fleet tangle
Don’t you just love the “make it work like this other thing” requests? I feel li...
That is, unfortunately, the entire point of our suite of plugins. We're remaking industry standard tooling in UE. And hopefully fixing 30 year old mistakes and technology assumptions along the way.
brittle holly
That is, unfortunately, the entire point of our suite of plugins. We're remaking...
Oof, making plugins seems like torture given you need to update them every few months when UE releases a new version
fleet tangle
We're literally working on the bleeding edge with Epic's perforce.
queen isle
I coudl make gta 5 in a month if I wante dto
I just don't want to 😎 /s
brittle holly
We're literally working on the bleeding edge with Epic's perforce.
Ah so you’re in 5.4 rn ?
fleet tangle
Pretty much.
Well, 5.3 and a half?
5.4 isn't anywhere near ready.
Especially with the gdc/etc push for 5.3 to get it out earlier, so there's a longer break before 5.4, I think Tim mentioned some dates at UE Fest.
brittle holly
I’m sure the layoffs didn’t help
fleet tangle
Indeed. I think we got lucky that Epic didn't force us to take team members off the project.
(We don't work for Epic directly, but they still pay our salaries)
brittle holly
Ah nice, so do they own your tools then?
fleet tangle
Yeah. Everything we write has a nice epic copyright line at the top 😛
brittle holly
I was gonna ask if you lease this tooling to studios but ig Epic prly does that instead
fleet tangle
I'm not sure I can really say anything about the business side or about the tool itself.
Other than some random complaints 😛
brittle holly
That’s ok
I thought maybe they make those available as part of UDN access but I could nvr afford it so it doesn’t make much difference to me 😅
fleet tangle
There's some good news there, actually. I think with the "if you make shit tons of money with UE, you're giving us some now" policy, some of the private tooling might become public. But that's just speculation.
But still nothing that is like industry secret stuff.
cursive crypt
Working with a Bleeding edge is just that. Bleeding on the edge. I would prefer at least a 5.X.1 before even considering moving.
fleet tangle
Luckily we only have to work with the editor. And that's generally pretty stable.
I'd have to develop a game on the latest p4 CLs, like they do with Fortnite.
celest musk
also there is probably 5.3.2 before 5.4
and if they keep breaking stuff even 5.3.3 😛
fleet tangle
Maybe maybe.
celest musk
my new favorite is, create a widget, create a event or smth in it, then rename it, then create a widget and give it the name the other had before and you suddenly see the events from the other widget
cursive crypt
ue_logfmt still has a compilation warning on more strict systems
brittle holly
my new favorite is, create a widget, create a event or smth in it, then rename i...
yeah lol the engine hates renaming. Does fix redirectors do anything?
celest musk
no, there isn't a redirector apparently
otherwise i couldn't rename the 2nd to the old name of the 1st
brittle holly
yeah, true
fleet tangle
Redirectors only really work for assets, I think. A slot isn't an assset?
Where did I get the idea of a slot from?
celest musk
it's a widget asset
fleet tangle
Shrug
brittle holly
celest musk
also there's a kinda similar issue with fbx import now, where it works only with specific settings
fleet tangle
It's almost 3am.
celest musk
both seem to be related to same assetname <> packagename relation
brittle holly
not that late for me but if I have to wrap my head around another collision problem, I'm gonna have an aneurysm
celest musk
i wanted to start an UI a while ago and ended up with 2hours refactor -_-
brittle holly
I wanted to add a new weapon system to my game but just ended up breaking and fixing collisions for the past 3h, and adding more material indices
fleet tangle
That's sort of like my side project.
Want to actually make some progress. End up adding tiny feature and fixing template errors for an hour.
celest musk
it's the stuff from my early UE days which hurts me now
celest musk
or early project days, idk if it was lack of experience or lack of necessary interfaces, guess both
like you look at old code and are like "what the fuck, this could be one function call now if i just change this and that...." and suddenly you are in for an hour of refactor 😄
mental trellis
oh yeah, those "I just need this to work I'll refactor it later" things that you never get back to
until you have to
tulip orbit
I'm taking a break from my big project, going to work on a smaller side project that will possibly benefit the big one if I dont make the side project the main project.....
my dungeon generator needs a lot of work, so I'm going to put it in a seperate project, potentially build a game around it. if the game fails, I'll be able to use the generator in my main project 🙂 But the work it needs, I need to be a lot more awake than I am right now
zinc matrix
try lex work schedule? deep focus 2 session 4 hours each
discipline may help a lot
tulip orbit
I blame my issues on that my job is a night shift and pretty tiring, so on the weekends I end up being too tired to focus or do anything
zinc matrix
i went with it but i barely make it 2 hours+ without blasting cyberpunk music
zinc matrix
I blame my issues on that my job is a night shift and pretty tiring, so on the w...
i mean that's a fair reason
you have to eliminate all the distraction from life to do game dev
it also always give you something to blame on and give up, while this stuff is already too easy to give up already
tulip orbit
ok I have my source code open! now what?
yup, been doing that for a few minutes now
ok 🙂
regal pecan
Can your code make pigs?
tulip orbit
no just bugs
tulip orbit
zinc matrix
anyone want to make a team and push each other forward
tulip orbit
off a cliff?
zinc matrix
im sick of pushing myself
regal pecan
I'm more of a "tear you down" kind of person.
Surprisingly small market for that service.
zinc matrix
it's easier to find people and talk to each other, help each other when you are using unity
unreal dev are a bunch of depressed lonely enjoyer
idk why
regal pecan
You'd have to be an optimist to use Unity.
tulip orbit
pearl elk
More like Mutiny
proud jay
wtf, suddenly photoshop is complaining that I'm using a cracked version, out of nowhere, after like 6 years
wtf
not that I would ever pirate software
this is hypothetically speaking
proud jay
lol ok, you can kill their complaint window in task manager and just keep using it
lmao
zinc matrix
i don't need a team, i need a friend
proud jay
it's easier to find people and talk to each other, help each other when you are ...
that's cause everyone using unity is incompetent
zinc matrix
that's team in the term of us as a team
not team like you work for me
proud jay
so they can't achieve anything on their own
zinc matrix
unreal devs when they learned networking stuff
regal pecan
There's also a voice chat lounge... at least there WAS. I swear it existed.
regal pecan
Silent Study is a voice chat room. How.
pearl elk
Im not hiring interns now I have AI
celest musk
Silent Study is a voice chat room. How.
i think it's for screen sharing without talking
zinc matrix
i think it's for screen sharing without talking
and why would anyone want to do that
wtf..?
regal pecan
So no one records your voice to teach an AI to pose as you for scam reasons.
pearl elk
People talking is sooo annoying
celest musk
why would anyone wanna talk with some randoms here?
regal pecan
More seriously: So you can watch people crash to desktop with the Unreal Editor instead of doing it yourself and calling it work.
celest musk
pearl elk
Watching someone compile shaders
celest musk
gif search boule is.... inspiring
celest musk
i thought boule was a game
zinc matrix
bye i need to move in my 4 hour deep focus session
tulip orbit
don't forget to live a little once in a while
living is overrated
proud jay
true
that's why I only have a dying room in my house
don't need that stupid living room
regal pecan
Is it not a hint for zombies on where to ambush the living?
tulip orbit
dad joke or dead joke?
pearl elk
dad joke or dead joke?
Both if youre Batman
tulip orbit
I'm not batman, I'm depressed and lonely, but not rich or good at fighting
pearl elk
How you expect to be a tech lord if youre no good at fighting
tulip orbit
pearl elk
So you have a whole coven
cursive crypt
Among friends is better.
proud jay
worldly sapphire
To be fair, markdown's url syntax is rather non-intuitive
a server where you can only communicate purely in regex
celest musk
with WP no region loaded... shouldn't the map be empty?
because it still shows actors
celest musk
well, i was about to give it another try...
since laura said it kinda works in 5.3?!
but?
well my last WP was bugged to a point where i couldn't load some specific actors at all
and it was only a small test map
with level streaming i have the ability to stream in/out whole house/room interiors, guess WP only works on 2D regions!?
tulip orbit
and level instances
celest musk
and i can have some kind of LODs for regions?
e.g. an house would load an instance without interior when i move away from it?
cursive crypt
and level instances
I sense pain here.
tulip orbit
I sense pain here.
naw, level instances were handy. I had buildings entirely on a seperate map, and loaded it in as an instance, so I could build the buildings at right angles for easy snapping, then when I placed the level instance I could rotate the instance to whatever fit the actual map
celest musk
i also liked that workflow
on the other hand it's a pita to manage with 100 level instances
so a in between would have been sweet, where you can load a specific region of streaming levels 😄
so with the layers i could even load specific rooms i guess
i'm also concerned about the aspect of editing that stuff in the editor
thats the biggest nightmare 😄
cursive crypt
naw, level instances were handy. I had buildings entirely on a seperate map, an...
I recall someone cussing at these, or lack of some features.
tulip orbit
I recall someone cussing at these, or lack of some features.
mighta been me? I dunno. last time I worked with the stuff was months ago. I was just learning how all that worked so there was a lot that I didnt know about it at the time (and probably still dont)
I'm phasing out of working on my project 😦 I made the mistake of overestimating the amount of coffee I had left in my mug, and underestimated how long it would take to clean my coffee maker 😦
cursive crypt
You got me in the first few words.
tulip orbit
🙂 I read thru most of my code and have a decent idea of what its doing now, but now I've spaced out on what the next step is, what I need to work on
cursive crypt
I spent ton of days/weeks to design something, so yeah, sometimes you gotta have a plan.
Spend some time figuring out things.
tulip orbit
I did write down a bunch of ideas of what I want/need, but needed to review existing code before moving forward
I think now its a matter of actually planning the changes of how to refactor
but I need some coffee 😦
timber viper
I woke up early, so today is infinite coffee day
tulip orbit
in my notes, I was saying "convert to modules" so different parts of the generation process would be in modules that could be combined in different ways, but not sure how/what
tulip orbit
timber viper
I wonder if I am detached from reality too much or if it isnt really scary though
there was a jumpscare where a skeleton hugs you
i found it rather cute
tulip orbit
I wonder if I am detached from reality too much or if it isnt really scary thoug...
just in a different reality perhaps?
timber viper
hm, I didnt take my copium today
subtle hatch
I am starting to wonder if the culture wars are distracting on game dev productivity.
cursive crypt
I wonder if I am detached from reality too much or if it isnt really scary thoug...
Too much Isekai in your daily todo list.
pearl elk
More static libraries is what we need
proud jay
mostly artifacts of olden days
unreal ether
My guess is long standing habit from before you could mouse over to see types
proud jay
and before IDE highlighting
cursive crypt
Could have been m_Vertices
tulip orbit
bIntegerVariable
pearl elk
MmmVertices
proud jay
https://tenor.com/view/digital-planner-etsy-art-cute-animals-gif-20020373
what does more economy even mean?
unreal ether
bIntegerVariable
I see you're learning the unreal way
soft night
that what you get from dynamic and static
proud jay
cursive crypt
When I see world pool, I think uobjects.
tulip orbit
I think oceans
median wraith
Is there some game that's a tower defense or survival alike without millions of enemies ?
Say like Alien Isolation but made that way
unborn lotus
Dome keeper?
median wraith
seems like lots of enemies there
median wraith
Dome keeper?
that one maybe is a decent example, have to play it
median wraith
Dungeon Warfare is cool, reminds me of that one
subtle hatch
I am getting pizza now and I need it
pearl elk
When I see world pool, I think uobjects.
tulip orbit
the games about cats always sell well on steam
so, make a game called "100 ways to skin a cat" ?
median wraith
oh no
lets keep the people at the cities with the ignorance about how the people skin a bunny
soft night
some cities in finland have light arts festival
median wraith
So colorful!
carmine frigate
tulip orbit
some cities in finland have light arts festival
empty dune
@zinc wagon just saw your pings. Im curious, who did you leave on virmire? lmao
proud jay
you know there is already unreal right
why did I think that was a dwarf carrying a ton of stuff
instead of a half guitar backpack
carmine frigate
for only a small fee you could grab source code from unreal and use it for your own engine
empty dune
for only a small fee you could grab source code from unreal and use it for your ...
Is that small fee the lawyer's fees?
carmine frigate
Is that small fee the lawyer's fees?
nah just the usual unreal engine fee
subtle hatch
I am getting pizza now and I need it
Placed a pizza order with Garlic bread 10 mins ago.
proud jay
did you get it yet
zinc wagon
<@611249115401027584> just saw your pings. Im curious, who did you leave on virm...
Ashley had to go. The vibe wasn't there with her ya know? That's why she had to die
empty dune
Ashley had to go. The vibe wasn't there with her ya know? That's why she had to ...
Eyyyy, good. Welcome to the elite club! (most people chose kaiden because..... Well...... It's the default men's choice ™...)
Ashley had the personality of a wet cardboard
zinc wagon
Lmao but I thought you were dating that wrex guy
🤔🫢Did you cheat on him!!
zinc wagon
Eyyyy, good. Welcome to the elite club! (most people chose kaiden because..... W...
Thanks for welcoming me here. If Ashely didn't die I would've fired her tbh if I had the choice
Btw raindust I was promised a larger stamina bar 😡
empty dune
And you got it
I didn't say how large
Oh fun fact, the sprint mode in mass effect 1 was actually slower than just using the normal walk
Bioware is NOT known for their mechanical aptitude lmao
They fixed that on legendary edition AND increased the stamina bar
And it was still agonising
zinc wagon
Oh fun fact, the sprint mode in mass effect 1 was actually *slower* than just us...
Wait really? It definitely was faster...ig that's not the case for the ME1LE?
zinc wagon
And it was still agonising
Oh
zinc wagon
Btw I didn't know saves weren't compatible from LE to the old editions
empty dune
Yeah, they changed some stuff
zinc wagon
I had to painstancly modify a save manually to match my own's
empty dune
Its not a 1-1 copy from the old games
empty dune
There's actually a me1 dlc you cant play in meLE
zinc wagon
That section with the hovering vehicle is so fucking fun
Just driving that thing is a blast
empty dune
Because they lost the source code for that dlc
empty dune
That section with the hovering vehicle is so fucking fun
Oh yeah that thing was amazing
I didn't want that level to end xD
zinc wagon
And I cannot save there for whatever reason
zinc wagon
Yeah I finished it already no spoilers needed 😅
zinc wagon
Did you punch the reporter?
In the first game?
No was already a charmer by then
So just chose the blue dialogues all the way
empty dune
Its funny, that reporter thing can go in so many ways
empty dune
So just chose the blue dialogues all the way
Oh you'll learn soon enough, even if you're blue, there are some red choices you have to make. And vice versa 😂
zinc wagon
lol I'm excited for that
Oh and I also absolutely love the fact you can choose to do a renegade or paragon Mid cutscenes
empty dune
Paragon
zinc wagon
Honestly that alone is what makes the game great for me so far. And the vechile section
empty dune
And yes it was amazing
zinc wagon
And yes it was amazing
Please tell me it stays in ME3
empty dune
There are so many interrupts (that's what they are called) that you HAVE to make, otherwise you get the UltraDepression Result™
empty dune
Please tell me it stays in ME3
It gets better
zinc wagon
YES! 🥹
Also I like how the choice feel more organic. Like in the old game you had the good choice and the bad choice in dialogue
Now it isn't so clear and it only shows you that you chose the bad/good option only after it ends which I like a lot
empty dune
Yep
Me2 was a huge step up
Me1 was basically the hook. It was good enough to get you invested
Me2 was the line
zinc wagon
In the first game I was subconsciously choosing the "good" choice because even tho that wasn't what I was going for in the first place
empty dune
The interrupt system made the paragon/renegade feature from me 1 so much better
Because you could react in real time
zinc wagon
Me2 was the line
ME3 is the bucket?
empty dune
ME3 is the bucket?
No, that's Andromeda
Oh did you find that kleptomaniac cow in me1?
zinc wagon
No, that's Andromeda
Lmao I was literally just about to say that 🤣
zinc wagon
Oh did you find that kleptomaniac cow in me1?
There's cows?
zinc wagon
Ig I missed them
zinc wagon
What
empty dune
Yeah lmao
zinc wagon
How?
empty dune
Find out in your second run😂
zinc wagon
I uninstalled it 🥲
empty dune
Wait how do you uninstall me1 from the LE?
zinc wagon
Idk it was standalone
empty dune
I thought they all were downloaded simultaneously
Its been a while though, maybe I forgot
zinc wagon
Not sure if LE fixed that but the combat/skills I think got a whole lot worst in ME2
zinc wagon
The enemies are more spongy, i have to empty an entire clip on a person
empty dune
And heat sinks
empty dune
The enemies are more spongy, i have to empty an entire clip on a person
Oh, you need to switch your gun type depending on the enemy
Me2 introduced weak points iirc
Before there was no headshot damage or anything like that
zinc wagon
Oh, you need to switch your gun type depending on the enemy
Yeah but still they are super weak compared to 1
empty dune
Are you sure you chose the right class? Because biotic barrier and biotic immunity is a thing in me2
empty dune
Nope
zinc wagon
Still shame I cannot have them anyway
zinc wagon
No it's based
soft night
empty dune
Its funny
Vanguard shepard : I one punch man the shit out of everything and instill terror in everyone
Infiltrator shepard : I am the darkness incarnate, you are already dead
Soldier shepard :.... I shoot really really fast
zinc wagon
Oh. You're a lucky girl then he's a great dude
zinc wagon
Its funny
Vanguard shepard : I one punch man the shit out of everything and ins...
Soldier Shep is the best ong : 💯
empty dune
Oh god sentinel was the worst
It was the worst even in me3
I hope le fixed that
I fought most of me1 with a pistol too tbh
zinc wagon
Not sure what I chose. I just two shot every moving and not moving thing with a sniper until I realized rifles are way more OP
soft night
there is also Wrex body pillow if you want more wrex https://gear.bioware.com/products/mass-effect-wrex-plush-pillow
zinc wagon
Did you make this on the spot lol
empty dune
This was the best
zinc wagon
Finally all that fast typing skills payed off