lounge

[worldly sapphire]

Does CoD's current engine still have Quake 3 heritage

[median wraith]

Well the editor is, about the rest I don't think so

COD2 already was a huge improve

and up Black Ops 1 or 2 they keep the structures, you can tell some still on lasts CODs but just the style

[median wraith]

Hammer Editor 2 as someone pointed yesterday on Twitter is still the best editor for games

Related to level design*

[pearl elk]

Remake of a spinoff sequel of the main franchise

[worldly sapphire]

I've always wanted to do a deep dive into the editors of yore

[pearl elk]

Is there any CoD heritage left in CoD lol

[median wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZxsTvPeD1M&ab_channel=EagleOneDevelopmentTeam this have really interesting tools and aligned to grid

[worldly sapphire]

CoD has absolutely lost me with their naming scheme

[unborn lotus]

morrowind construction set

[worldly sapphire]

Warcraft 3 Editor

I think practically every classic RTS came with an editor didn't they

[median wraith]

lol Source have realtime raytracing in editor, I didn't expect that to preview light

[median wraith]

still remember that on COD2 the illumination shadows just came cast from the BSP objects

1h to bake on CPU

[unborn lotus]

did you mess around with alyx workshop tools?

[median wraith]

then you had to run the game in order to see results

[median wraith]

Nope, but since Counter came out are the same

seems really interesting

I did used the COD editor and Hammer back in the days, COD one had faster workflow, Hammer had more interesting tools and freedom

I still don't get why Valve didn't release their engine to the public

watching the video from before

you can even move physics actors in the engine to place them like drag in a horror game

really cool

[unborn lotus]

the model quality is insane

really pushed it for vr

[median wraith]

Alyx is a masterpiece for VR

[pearl elk]

I do not miss doing the Viz pass to check for leaks in the BSP hull

[median wraith]

oh god

[pearl elk]

More like ship building than level design lol

[white oxide]

any good steam games under like $10? got $11 worth of steam credit

[tulip orbit]

good? no. But the game of life2 is on sale

[pearl elk]

Hyper Demon

[tulip orbit]

should I play more cyberpunk? or try working on my game a little?

[pearl elk]

yes

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sad-break-in-half-upset-gif-8957735

[pearl elk]

Dont worry I have the same dilemma

[tulip orbit]

play cyberpunk or work on Interitus' game?

[pearl elk]

yeah I work on Interitus' game all the time, its still not as good as my game though

[tulip orbit]

yeah I've seen it, looks like crap

https://tenor.com/view/rage-comics-table-flip-gif-25874129

hm, not sure why that guy has a badminton birdie on his face

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ayush-playing-funny-badminton-gif-15300784

[graceful sequoia]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

I'm definitely not engaging the commas

[tulip orbit]

best not to, they're a shifty bunch

[river sable]

World Editor was so good and the scripting was so intuitive even 8 year old me managed to make cool shit in it 😄

what keeps me up at night to this day is what caused the bug where undead shades weren't able to use teleport zones 🤔

[tulip orbit]

shades dont have any matter to transport

[river sable]

that makes perfect sense, thank you I can finally sleep again 💀

[graceful sequoia]

that was a touching nerd exchange

[soft fulcrum]

Which Scene gives you guys a better vibe? I'm having a competition with a friend of mine

[graceful sequoia]

I'm partial to sunsets I guess

[proud jay]

the background I like the sunset one more

but there's too much darkness in front

so I like the daytime scene more

also like the trees on it more

[zinc matrix]

the lighting on the first one is too bright didn't feel real

[true mirage]

its stylized

[zinc matrix]

the second one is also not super good either but better

[true mirage]

bro graduated from macdonalds

[proud jay]

the first one is actually really nicely done

[pearl elk]

Can you still stylize things if you have no style?

[soft fulcrum]

Kukers

[proud jay]

you know there can be more than one style

[zinc matrix]

i graduated from unreal engine

[true mirage]

where is it

[zinc matrix]

but i feel like there wasnt any shadow in that house

feel very lacking

im no lighting expert here but that's just my take

[soft fulcrum]

Now?

[unreal ether]

No shadow, except for all them obvious shadows

But definitely right

[zinc matrix]

i remember there was an unreal stylize render that blow my mind let me find it

[unreal ether]

Feels more vibrant and alive

[pearl elk]

Shadows are overrated, get rid of em and boom better performance

[proud jay]

I feel like the left one is missing some atmospheric perspective

or whatever they call it

I prefer the house one

[zinc matrix]

yeah maybe that render that actually good and its just me always like shadow even in real life

im like a vampire

[proud jay]

yeah, you also suck

[zinc matrix]

does anyone remember that unreal render that have 3 style bright dark and afternoon, and a video switching between that 3 styles

and some waterfall animation

fantasy stylized style with one house far and one house near

[soft fulcrum]

Thanks for the feedback guys

[pale scarab]

WOW

FF7 REMAKE uses UE???

anythign is possible with UE huh. this really inspires me

[timber viper]

they had 100k+ polygon per character

after one of the ff was optimized to moon

they got sick and went goblin mode

one of them is Unreal and has 100k polygon per character

just not sure which one

i heard in #graphics back at the day

i just got this on sale, i hope its one of the good final fantasy series

[pale scarab]

wow those are really impressive

but you guyss...

[timber viper]

should I refund?

[pale scarab]

you guys miss the crucial part

[timber viper]

it'll be my first final fantasy

[pale scarab]

they make FF7 remake.. using UNREAL FOUR

not 5.5

[timber viper]

someone told me i can start on any and it will be good

[pale scarab]

Unreal 4 and they gave us FF7 remake type of graphics

[timber viper]

with a remark of ff7 remake is the best

[pale scarab]

... oopos

oops*

[timber viper]

i am into the one who has tifa and cloud

ff7 remake i guess

right?

is this why they have 2nd series?

[pale scarab]

because ff7 remake is a big game

no not because of money!

ff7 is a huge game

huge storyline

nothing to do with greed

[timber viper]

square enix

not surprised

are universes somehow connected

and canon

[pale scarab]

are you sayin that the OG ff7, that intro part is really the small part?

[timber viper]

so its just a random story and different world each?

explains why only one final fantasy is so popular

and others are meh/unpopular

[zinc matrix]

guys help i remembered a render in my mind but i cant find it now im having a crisis

[zinc matrix]

.

[unborn lotus]

hope it was this https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NG2K0d

[proud jay]

that can't be it

it's too bright

not realistic

[zinc matrix]

oh man i hate this guy dieter so much

he's like one of those guy i very hate but would still be friend in real life

very weird

[zinc matrix]

no, there is waterfall in distance

[proud jay]

it's there

just very far away

you don't see it

[quasi lance]

Is control rig good for procedural leaning animations?

[turbid spindle]

:question: Is control rig good for procedural leaning animations?
:8ball: It is decidedly so.

:question: Is it decidedly so?
:8ball: Most likely.

:coin: Heads

:coin: Tails

:coin: Tails

:question: is control rig good for procedural leaning additive anim?
:8ball: Cannot predict now.

:question: is it smart to give up all security in life and go full time game dev without any kind of skills? Do keep in mind, my family is rich
:8ball: Most likely.

[proud jay]

thanks

[turbid spindle]

:question: can you tell me what the maximum lenght of a question to ask of you through the 8ball is or is that privileged information that only the most elite discorders are allowed to know on the bi-montly secret underground meeting where a unity developer is sacrificed to increase our framerate by 1?
:8ball: Don't count on it.

:question: can you tag people in 8ball questions @trail ore
:8ball: Without a doubt.

:question: do you do?
:8ball: You may rely on it.

[proud jay]

damn, did manny just randomly ping someone

[turbid spindle]

:question: is unreal better than unity?
:8ball: Outlook not so good.

:question: seems so @sand oxide
:8ball: Better not tell you now.

:question: do you know @proud jay
:8ball: It is certain.

[proud jay]

wait

does this mean we could ping everyone

maybe manny has the rights to do so

I don't dare try it cause I don't wanna get banned

[turbid spindle]

:question: doesn't @proud jay have work to do?
:8ball: Signs point to yes.

:question: isn't dieter in a very boring 3 hour long company meeting
:8ball: Signs point to yes.

:question: /8ball
:8ball: Better not tell you now.

:question: /9ball
:8ball: Outlook good.

:question: ||||
:8ball: Cannot predict now.

[unreal ether]

Now can you get Manny to ban another user with quinn

[turbid spindle]

:question: /strike @unreal ether
:8ball: Outlook good.

[unreal ether]

Awww

[proud jay]

I think the emoji ruins injection

[unreal ether]

The everyone ping is a good point though

[proud jay]

you should try it

[unreal ether]

Nah I don't want to be in the bad books

[proud jay]

we need a clinically insane person to try it

@trail ore help us out

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-crazy-foxtrot12-madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-5092645572775528602

[empty dune]

We have a couple Elon fans in here don't we? Time for them to be useful

[proud jay]

viktor, do something

[proud jay]

jeez company meetings are so boring

[zinc matrix]

My game is a MMO with progression reseting and interactive NPC (like ChatGPT). If you know Rust, this is just that game.
Each server would have 200-500 people playing on a time cycle of 30 days, then the progress would be reset. The map is big and each player can build their own house or buy property on cities.

There would be mechant, trader, dungeoner, hunter,.. Basically the game is a role-playing game on a progression reseting game design base. But it worked like Rust, where you are not really assigned a role but you just do the thing and have that role. For example, if you focus on selling stuff, you are a mechant, but there is no skillset or mechanic for that role. If you want to be a trader, just grab stuff and run from city to city, there is no talent or anything that helped you to do the job.
However, there is still a base skill system for everyone, like magic or some cyberpunk body enhancement.

Ok, the question is, to make this game less heavy on the game mechanic aspect and focus more on the social interaction, role-playing part, what theme, what era, what universe should the game take place in? Should it be a fantasy with magic and sword? Or an universe exploring with spaceship and lightsabers? Or a cyberpunk theme with robot and cyberware? Or frostpunk? Or steampunk?

i posted this question on a game design channel and we had an 1 hour trashing each other because i said minecraft roleplaying was cringe

what a day

in mean rust did it so it cant be that hard?

it was 200 btw

and yes the fps drop is there

[rapid fox]

I've been dealing with a Trojan in my packaged build for awhile. Haven't been able to find it with Microsoft malicious scan tool but it infected a reviewers pc and shows up for the cyber sec firm I sent the build to. Maybe I need to look into this genshin thing because I had that game.

Just the exe on its own?

[timber viper]

How come ur own exe has trojan

[rapid fox]

No clue. I've been trying to find it why.

At first I thought a contractor snuck something into some files as a nasty gift. But they've been coming back clean.

[timber viper]

Genshin exploit is local privelege escelation, its already on godmode

[rapid fox]

Yet when cyber sec firm checks the exe is doing some nasty stuff. I've been running everything I have and nothing pops up. So I'll try this virustotal thing tonight.

The thought of having to wipe and start over hasn't been good to dwell on the past few days

[empty dune]

question, do you have the skills to actually write netcode to support a 200 player server and the funds the host them while minimising latency and packet loss?

[timber viper]

Lol you assume there arent any viruses

[zinc matrix]

nah that's my second project if the first one actually sell

[empty dune]

probably in their GDD

[rapid fox]

Yea I got it from egs when it was free. I don't have any cracked files. Just steam and epic launcher. I don't let the kids play on this pc because I try to keep it as isolated as possible to prevent this.

[empty dune]

ah, so one more "if that happens". got it

[rapid fox]

And yet the game I've been making appears compromised.

[timber viper]

Did you install any AV first

[zinc matrix]

yeah im a programmer, so if it run, don't touch it xd

[timber viper]

There are malwares that our minds cant compherend and one of them is on ur pc, pretty sure

[empty dune]

you THINK you have no viruses

[timber viper]

Cracked software is easiest target

Best way to infect on scale

[rapid fox]

Nah. Windows defender and firewall. I avoid clicking on discord links. And malicious scan tool ran for 15 hours and didn't find whatever this is.

[zinc matrix]

i may have virus but why would i care if my pc still running

[timber viper]

Use a AV

Defender is a joke

Do a full scan

[rapid fox]

Guess it's time to get webroot.

[timber viper]

You wont find genshin thingy.. Its not something a AV casually detect and handle afaik

[empty dune]

question, mcafee, good or bad? i paid for that but i honestly have no idea about good or bad AV

[timber viper]

Terrible lol

[empty dune]

whats good then?

[rapid fox]

It's been a bad week and Laura throwing apples at me 😭

[zinc matrix]

reset window best way to kill any virus 100% work and free

[timber viper]

Bitdefender, eset, kaspersky are my favorites

Kaspersky is old i guess tho

[queen isle]

me doing art 😢

[timber viper]

There was a thing called combofix for xp

It was Beyond great

I miss it so much

I had a very strong virus in my pc, none of AVs helped

Combofix took 5 mins to remove it

[empty dune]

i see avast and avg on that list. good?

[timber viper]

No

Eset and bitdefender are Best two in my experience

[rancid root]

Please do not discuss any forms of piracy on this server

[zinc matrix]

oh, my bad, sorry

i genually forget that

[empty dune]

okay, so bitdefender it is

[empty dune]

ah yes, crime is banned, how easy to forget

[timber viper]

Eset is fine too

[rancid root]

I just deleted the message for now.

[empty dune]

does the old "dont use two AV at once" adage still stand?

[timber viper]

Yes

[empty dune]

got it

[timber viper]

You would break space time continium

[zinc matrix]

oh thats fine im not supporting piracy too

[rapid fox]

Oh I thought he was trying to imply that I did that and was shocked that I have been infected by some unknown malware and therefore deserved it as punishment. But if he's the criminal then I feel better.

[timber viper]

Not supporting just using xD

[proud jay]

is it illegal to ping everyone through manny?

and is it possible?

[timber viper]

What worst can happen other than getting banned

[proud jay]

I'm just curious if it would work

[empty dune]

be serious lol, im trying to understand this better, i dont have the knowledge to separate jokes from actual good practice

[timber viper]

use single best AV you trust

and check each two years if its still good enough

[rancid root]

How do you mean through manny?
We block at everyone's and it'll get some moderator eyes on you yeah 👀

[turbid spindle]

:question: I mean like this through manny @rancid root
:8ball: Better not tell you now.

[empty dune]

just downloading 10 high sea sailed games, totally not supporting

[timber viper]

it had a special mode

it was closing windows

[rancid root]

Ah good one, thanks guys, I'll forward that! :)

[timber viper]

and on reboot it was scanning

you were seeing a black screen

it removed a notorious virus that was known as "doesnt get removed on fresh windows reinstall"

rose.exe or something

[empty dune]

got it, thanks both of you!

[rapid fox]

@sand oxide thanks for the suggestions. The cyber sec firm should be scanning more things I sent them to find it but when I get home I'll run the exe through the things you mentioned.

[timber viper]

damn

whole info about rose.exe got deleted

cant find anything

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523596-roseexe-virus-not-going-away-completely/

2006

good thing dangerous things are like that not relevant anymore

protection is better

[rancid root]

@proud jay Could you give me another ping through the 8ball, but now I actually minimize this channel? :)

[turbid spindle]

:question: hi @rancid root
:8ball: It is decidedly so.

[rancid root]

ty!

[zinc matrix]

more like fixing air conditioner as an IT professional

[empty dune]

@sand oxide @timber viper mcafee is worse than norton???? what???

[timber viper]

laura told u mcafee is meme level bad

and norton is decent not bad

[empty dune]

i knew norton was a meme, i didnt know mcafee was WORSE

[timber viper]

this aged like milk

[empty dune]

i paid for 3 years of this meme.................................fuck me i guess.........

ugh

[timber viper]

yeah norton never helped me beyond being a simple AV but wasnt very useless either, prboably with win 8> it got worse

[empty dune]

it came preinstalled with my laptop..............

[broken sigil]

Defender is as good as some of the top paid solutions
These days it's kinda a myth that defender is bad

[worldly sapphire]

I thought McAfee's business model was to get coked up and menace some tropical island

[timber viper]

i believe Laura as if she is a bible about these things

[empty dune]

same

[broken sigil]

used to be true, hasn't been for years

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[timber viper]

defender couldnt protect me last time

[zinc matrix]

idk why there is always an McAfee in my mom laptop even though i deleted it every single time i clean for her

[broken sigil]

if defender couldn't none of the paid solutions will either

[timber viper]

paid ones did though

[broken sigil]

no they won't

[timber viper]

two of them detected

[broken sigil]

100% won't

[timber viper]

eset and bitdefender

defender allowed virus to infect

[broken sigil]

I want some source of those facts

[timber viper]

i told u about my case earlier this year

[rapid fox]

Yea this has been a nightmare scenario. The only positive thing is that for one brief moment someone across the country could play my game. Before it took out his PC.

[timber viper]

my twitter account was about to get stolen

[broken sigil]

1 case doesn't mean much

[timber viper]

so my discord is

[worldly sapphire]

I just don't open sketchy executables, that's my anti-virus

[timber viper]

i got password change emails

had to fight back a few hours

[worldly sapphire]

Meanwhile, does anyone know how to open a .pdf.exe?

[broken sigil]

you can have that same great paid solution fail to detect something else

[timber viper]

this was a fresh written malware

this specific info matters

[broken sigil]

still doesn't really matter tho

[zinc matrix]

some legit exe sound sketchy af

[broken sigil]

Still waiting for the source Laura

[empty dune]

you said 100% it wont. eren's evidence, however anecdotal, categorically disproves your statement. so............

[broken sigil]

again sample size of 1 means nothing

[empty dune]

but still disproves YOUR statement

[worldly sapphire]

Oh I always hold my breath in every time I run a .exe from a Github repo's release page

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/sith-obi-wan-falsedichotomy-gif-7708366

[timber viper]

idk what I need to distrust more when defender literally failed and two other paid ones succeeded

[broken sigil]

so we are basing defender = bad on the sample size of 1?

[proud jay]

I havent' used an antivirus in like 7 years

definitely improved my life

[empty dune]

i dont think thats the argument

[timber viper]

download genshin

you wont regret it

[broken sigil]

I'm waiting for a source still
Reputable source with tests between defender and paid solutions showing that defender is bad or underperforming

[rapid fox]

I tried it. Didnt like it. Removed it. But I bet I still have mhyprot2 on my system.

[timber viper]

removing it wont save you today

its the door not the room

[rapid fox]

Yes it's already in the room. 😭

It's probably wormed into all my version backups. I'm getting 1 checked to see if I have somewhere clean to restart from.

[timber viper]

Defender also wont protect u against zero-day threats

[worldly sapphire]

Real question, does itch.io or github have some kind of mechanism to check uploaded files

[timber viper]

no

[worldly sapphire]

Oh no Boo

[broken sigil]

I'm still waiting for tests proving that

[timber viper]

based on cybernews defender is 3.9/5 while others 4.5+

not a bad source imo

https://cybernews.com/best-antivirus-software/microsoft-defender-review/

not professional as vb100 i guess

but they have fancy articles

and comparisions

During our tests, the quick scan went on for about four minutes, and didn’t find any of the 10 malicious files that we had downloaded. The full scan lasted for around 8 minutes and found only one out of 10 malicious files. This is very disappointing.

article written in 2023

[broken sigil]

not really trusting a source that is promoting an alternative and probably sponsored

[timber viper]

vb100 is best you can get

[empty dune]

you really like this hill huh

[timber viper]

im sure combofix was better than both paid and defender options anyway

[rapid fox]

Me "finally after all my hard work, the demo is ready for beta feedback test."

Genshin "oh really?"

[broken sigil]

sure because I expect proof which I'm still waiting for

[timber viper]

idk what was the methods it was using but i genuinely wonder now

[timber viper]

why vb100 tests are not enough?

[empty dune]

okay, what would constitute as proof? can you define that first?

[broken sigil]

I can post this too
https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/manufacturer/microsoft/

doesn't prove much

[timber viper]

but still why vb100 is not enough though

[empty dune]

my brother in anxiety attack, what WOULD be proof for you?

[rapid fox]

I mean I don't have proof I only have the report and findings of the cyber security firm of what they've been monitoring my exe doing.

[rapid fox]

Not panic inducing at all

[timber viper]

russian spyware? whats going on there lol

[broken sigil]

So I guess this proves that defender is bad right?

[rapid fox]

I guess that's what is going on through this genshin backdoor

[timber viper]

dont assume though

it still needs another way to access the genshin backdoor

its not easy as just having genshin

millions have genshin

[rapid fox]

Oh yea. I'm having them check tons of stuff to try and figure it out.

[broken sigil]

again, sample size of 1 doesn't mean much

You don't determine if something is bad with the sample size of 1

[timber viper]

how do u know u have trojan

leaked screenshots from PRISM

[broken sigil]

well when I can find the exact opposite information of what is being presented as proof I don't find that convincing enough to support the riddiculus claim that defender is bad

[empty dune]

i am so confused why BM is building a fort on this hill that the imperial fists and iron warriors would be jealous of

[rapid fox]

Cyber firms in house ui nonsense of monitoring the Trojans activity. Pinged back to some Russian hack stuff.

[timber viper]

i dont find AV discussion worthy enough to fight

[rapid fox]

I'm at work so I can't check till I get home.

https://tenor.com/view/red-panda-roter-panda-cuddle-attack-fun-playing-gif-22074657

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/b1NCd.gif

[zinc matrix]

in the conversation about antivirus, does anyone actually used a password manager
i just don't feel like trusting these so i make an excel file and store in my OneDrive

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marines-warhammer40k-testudo-imperial-fists-boarding-shield-gif-25183355

[lofty lark]

https://tenor.com/view/red-panda-scuffle-cute-gif-13190866

[empty dune]

BM

[timber viper]

sometimes i suddenly wonder if programmers wrote NSA spyware are the boomers that complain about C++ and inheritance all day and whole thing is written in unreadable C with hacks

[timber viper]

how is this reliable and others are not though

[broken sigil]

same goes for the one laura posted

[timber viper]

same person at cybernews says it not the best

they are literally same author

[lofty lark]

I'm always lurking when red pandas are around and tired. I have a full cup of tea. Which means i Haven't drank it

[broken sigil]

And that's what I mean by reliable source with tests
Anyone can find information that supports their claim

so you are not taking my sources as valid?

👍

[empty dune]

uhm

so

[lofty lark]

why yall discussing tsuff that aint red pandas

[empty dune]

imperial fists

pretty good at making forts eh?

[lofty lark]

did yall miss the memo

[timber viper]

well

red panda is content is not too much

we merely have a few gifs

and Laura memorized them all already probably

[lofty lark]

it was sent as a defender of red pandas

[rapid fox]

https://tenor.com/view/котывоители-warriors-warrior-warrors-cats-кленовница-gif-20954225

[rapid fox]

Red pandas are so cute.

[timber viper]

WHEN IS THE RED PANDA DAY

MFERS

[empty dune]

@sand oxide did you make that red panda only zoo yet? they released a new dlc for planet zoo

[timber viper]

damn I missed it

are red pandas cuddly

[lofty lark]

look at that fluff!

of coruse they are1

shut

[timber viper]

cant I trick them to sleep together while cuddling

[empty dune]

sounds suspiciously anecdotal

[timber viper]

i need this fluff on my stomach while I'm sleeping

[empty dune]

did you try it yourself?

[rapid fox]

I think there's video of Laura attempting to cuddle but getting bitten instead.

[timber viper]

baby red pandas

why would a cute animal wouldnt like to cuddle

why

free affection

but free affection

[empty dune]

can you give me a letter of recommendation for finding employment as red panda handler based on the performance of my planet zoo red panda habitats?

[lofty lark]

they just don't wanna cuddle with strangers obviously

i wouldnt want too either

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-me-im-sad-sad-girl-gif-13082547568726386573

[rapid fox]

Came seeking Laura's AV advice and got impressed by red panda knowledge

[timber viper]

i will pet them forcefully

i did notice

[empty dune]

lol

i did, i was wondering why

[timber viper]

my knowledge is subjective based on my experience so my endorsement shouldnt be taken too seriously either

but its a common sense that bitdefender and eset are good

[zinc matrix]

why are you guys so addicted to red panda they are just average
something like capybaras would be more cute

[lofty lark]

get this heretic out of here

[timber viper]

the fact not being able to cuddle with red pandas makes them a bit more less desired for me

[lofty lark]

mods

[lofty lark]

I just wanna pet one 🥹

[empty dune]

thats just elongated muskrat syndrome

[lofty lark]

verb pet.

not noun

[empty dune]

what were those? i am curious

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-cat-bunny-gif-25081816

[timber viper]

isnt this garfield lol

[rapid fox]

Yea I've been let down by Norton before.

[lofty lark]

elongated muskrat syndrome?

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-cute-adorable-gif-15807869

[lofty lark]

Laura it's back

[zinc matrix]

i started to become something in here since i spoke about elon

people..

[empty dune]

i see, thanks. could you tell me what time frame youre talking about? like, half a decade ago? more? im curious because my knowledge of AV is stuck in 2014

thenk

[lofty lark]

I just use windows defender for my personal pc. it seems to work well

[rapid fox]

Cyber sec just informed me that a second project I sent for analysis has a different trojan than my demo. Wow.

[unborn lotus]

Heyooo. I browse nothing but reddit anyway

[lofty lark]

If anyone has advice/recommendations regarding cyber sec on a personal home server, please share 🙏

[lofty lark]

protect against what

[rapid fox]

Goes to the same server that hosts the first one.

[zinc matrix]

was that a joke

[timber viper]

malware

i use unreal

[empty dune]

question. is android AV still alive or is that a lost cause by now?

[lofty lark]

unreal comes with a source. its in the servers name

y'all actually have issues with defender?

[empty dune]

what about protection when not using the play store? such as scanning pdfs, images, phishing links etc

so lost cause. got it

[zinc matrix]

i do have issues but because personal problems that can't be mentioned here due to our server's rule number 13

[empty dune]

there is no rule 13

unless it is "thou shall not commit heresy"

[timber viper]

apple exploits are scary

because apple slows your phone with each update

[zinc matrix]

sound like new feature to me

[empty dune]

its just to preserve battery life!!!

totally not timed with announcement of new models

[lofty lark]

I like this (sry for ping)

[empty dune]

pong

[hardy imp]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rJ5AQL

[timber viper]

The cost for the whole NSA program targeting smartphones was cited at one billion dollars.
amazing

DREAMY SMURF – handles power management, which according to The Guardian includes "an ability to stealthily activate a phone that is apparently turned off"

how is this even possible

without brand letting NSA do this willingly

[empty dune]

thats like the cost of 1 F22, not that expensive

[timber viper]

F22 cost one billion?

its merely 250mil

[empty dune]

it was a joke lol

[lofty lark]

[timber viper]

[fleet tangle]

I use it for my work pc and have no problems! Hi, have you seen this free nitro offer....

[broken sigil]

"defEnDer is BaD"

[lofty lark]

tbf, the only one that has typed those words in this channel is you

unless I missed a msg

Totaly possible. still drinking my tea.

[timber viper]

I implied it wont be effective against a spread trojan

and it doesnt since person claims they are infected

and explicitly mentioned they use defender

[broken sigil]

That was the general conclusion between Eren and Laura

[timber viper]

it wasnt

it was only my conclusion

and it was based on my experience that it failed to protect me once, and after literally getting infected when defender is active its only normal someone shouldnt expect me to not rave it lol

[empty dune]

iirc laura called norton and mcafee memes, she only said defender is pretty good for being free and that just defender wasnt the best protection you could get

[lofty lark]

I mean, Laura literally said "defender is not horrible"

[empty dune]

none of those implies defender is bad

just not the best

[timber viper]

BM made the claim(s) if defender fails all will fail, and it can 100% work

[lofty lark]

And Eren is just sharing their case of Defender failing a specific case. That is not the same as saying "defender is a bad AV"

[timber viper]

anyway here is a weeb song I enjoyed today https://youtu.be/SyoQY0kXt34?si=pcv7Js_nDqpr7X9T

[lofty lark]

Afaict, no one explicitly stated defender was bad. They just pointed out flaws, which every AV will have.

[broken sigil]

And your experience is perfectly valid, these better solutions could fail at something else

But again 1 case doesn't prove that it's bad or underperforming, it just failed in this specific case

[lofty lark]

Some even explicitly stated defender was not horrible

prove that it's bad
No one is arguing for that claim tho.

[empty dune]

okay guys there's plenty of hills to go around, we dont have to fight on this particular one

[lofty lark]

1 case doesn't prove that it's bad or underperforming,
And I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with this

[unborn lotus]

This chat is now hairless cats gifs only

[broken sigil]

Nope, I said that and got attacked

[empty dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reUfd69IqF4

here's a nice warhammer fan edit i found

[lofty lark]

What ever hill you try to fight on, I will scorch to nothing but ash

[broken sigil]

I said sample size of 1 doesn't mean much

[empty dune]

lock your windows cause ion is watching

and waiting

[timber viper]

my view on defender is, if something is 9 out of 10 and if other 8, 8 is bad compared to 9, but it might not be bad on its own because 8 is pretty good
been using AVs since my childhood and never encountered a case defender could protect me, so maybe its 7, 8, or whatever, but others succeeded on 95% of the cases with high precision. thats why defender is bad

i can agree on my subjective opinion, but when the case is this how can I not say defender is bad

it just never worked for me

good for others that if it works for them

[fleet tangle]

That is neither a cat nor hairless!

(thank god)

[empty dune]

im about to put my brain on power saving mode, so night

[zinc matrix]

anyone here just really like arcane show.. no?

[timber viper]

can I send cute kitten gifs instead

https://tenor.com/view/silly-caught-in4k-caught-in4k-meme-silly-meow-meow-meow-gif-27597612

[empty dune]

this video uses a song from an arcane trailer i think

[lofty lark]

No one argued that you were wrong in this statement. People were arguing that no one was making a claim that defender was bad.

[broken sigil]

And I had defender protect me many times before when paid solutions failed

How could I support the claim that defender is bad?

See what I mean

Eren literally just said it

[timber viper]

I see what you mean but since my experience is otherwise if someone asks me I will keep recommending that defender is incompetent - also dont forget convo got heated based on your "defender will 100% work" and "if defender fails others will fail too" statement not because someone said "defender is bad"

because no one said it

i implied / recommended against defender by saying "use AVs"

[lofty lark]

That's the first time today tho

[broken sigil]

Yes, others will fail in other scenarios

I stand by that still

[empty dune]

anyone want a sea side property? hills are soooo out of fashion now

[timber viper]

you need to change will with "might", or at least likely

[lofty lark]

I want a hilly sea side property plz

[empty dune]

thats called a cliff vazu

[broken sigil]

No solution is perfect

[timber viper]

its not realistic to expect 100% certainity in a AV

defender may work, may even do better, who knows.. its just didnt work for me

which proves otherwise of your claim

[broken sigil]

It was implied from the beginning

[lofty lark]

Where was it first implied

[timber viper]

yeah but I didnt say its bad, individual in the context was already infected

and defender wasnt able to detect it

i told to use another AV

[empty dune]

okay time to put brain on battery saver mode

[timber viper]

Laura told to use totalvirus

[empty dune]

see you all tomorrow

if you havent ionized each other by then, that is

[timber viper]

i will also sleep 10 mins later

enjoying my weeb music

i wonder if it does defender haha

because that infection I mentioned was only detected by eset on virustotal

gimme combofix

[lofty lark]

Japan seems to have a lot of hilly sea side land

[broken sigil]

Throughout the whole conversation

[timber viper]

laura get angry™️ get write combofix from zero

for win10> pls

superior av

a superior av

a SUPERIOR av

not defender or anything else

[empty dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc

[timber viper]

back at my elementary school days I got a virus that i couldnt ever remove, none of the AVs, formatting the PC etc worked
then i downloaded combofix, rebooted my pc, went through a scan that took 10 mins, found the virus and removed

year is close to 2010

this happened on win xp

[lofty lark]

then my context skills must be non-existent because all I see is Eren sharing their experience on a failure by Defender and Laura stating it's not horrible, then you arguing that they need sources for their claim "defender is bad" (which was never made). Just someone stating a failure of the AV and someone else explicitly saying its not bad.

[timber viper]

its somehow non existing in EN web

but when I search through TR results all of the websites market is as "free and can clean things AVs cant"

[lofty lark]

The only thing I see that could imply they were saying defender is bad is this message. But I prefer to not make judgements based of possible implications..(? implys?)

[empty dune]

you now have a scarlet letter, we will never forget

[broken sigil]

#lounge message

What I was originally reply to

[rapid fox]

I just took that to mean "on its own isn't good" as in I should have more seat belts.

https://tenor.com/view/dawid-podsiadło-seat-belt-travel-buckle-up-gif-14191432

5 point harness of AVs

[broken sigil]

#lounge message

[rapid fox]

I'm still cackling she hit me with that apple

[timber viper]

just fyi, if they are not lying william davis got infected while defender is active, i also got infected while defender active

[empty dune]

that star trek episode ends with her ||dying because she got an emotion chip|| btw

[timber viper]

AVs get better and get worse

[rapid fox]

I never turn off defender. It just can't find whatever this is. Neither can the Microsoft malicious removal scanner.

[broken sigil]

Doesn't prove much beyond that AVs are not perfect

Any of them

[timber viper]

it proves in the specific case I experienced, 2 other paid solutions were "more" perfect than defender

[celest musk]

they are snake oil to begin with

[broken sigil]

defender is gonna have the most of those examples because it's the most used by default

[timber viper]

thats why it sucks

it cant help after you get infected

and cant do much against zero days

[broken sigil]

The sources I linked say otherwise

[timber viper]

my other sources also say otherwise

[broken sigil]

👍

[empty dune]

Source wars!

[lofty lark]

And that's a message I didn't see.

[broken sigil]

Nope, I still stand by the fact that paid solutions are not 100% perfect

[timber viper]

just fyi this is what I am against, I am not trying to convince you against your idea

[unborn lotus]

Damn a moderator should step in and stop this it's been hours

[timber viper]

because that specific message you sent is clearly wrong and does not require a source

[celest musk]

how do they decide if a scanner is good? just by the samples it recognized?

[broken sigil]

So you are trying to say that AVs are 100% reliable?

#lounge message

[empty dune]

wtf is happening

[lofty lark]

But I don't see people trying to claim that Defender is bad bc Eren even states this is purely based off their personal experience (eventually). And everyone agreed that a sample size of 1 isn't conclusive.

[celest musk]

defender is better than nothing

and from there the overall improvement is a small margin (for the average user)

[broken sigil]

At the end*

[lofty lark]

And anyone arguing against the claim "paid solutions are not 100% perfect" is a fool 😛

[timber viper]

I didnt say defender bad until BM insisted on defending it, and explicitly said its my subjective experience when I did that.. All of my messages until I said defender is bad at the end is about this message

[celest musk]

not to mention that there have been several cases where AV actually opened the door for malware 😄

[lofty lark]

He says this is his personal experience right after you asked for a source #lounge message

Everything Eren is saying is, "it failed to protect me." me.

[broken sigil]

I'm referring to his earlier message, defender is a joke one

[lofty lark]

my eyes are bad
ok eagle eyes

[celest musk]

the real question is if another solution would have protected eren when that happened

[rapid fox]

And me. But it's unclear if whatever hit him is also the source of my grief right now.

[celest musk]

ok, then that was a bad luck brian moment... (didnt follow the whole convo)

[lofty lark]

Yeah, and right after you ask for sources, he tells you this is his personal experience. YOu then continue to ask for sources on the claim of "Defender is bad", after Eren states this is just their personal experience with it

[broken sigil]

Defender is bad means it's generally bad, personal experience is not enough to somehow make defender universally bad, that was my point

[timber viper]

none of your messages so far attempt to defend your message about "if defender cant detect others wont either"

which is what I am speaking about since beginning

and sample size thingy doesnt matter either

[celest musk]

does defender even have heuristic detection?

or is it only working with samples?

[timber viper]

This is my story about defender that doesnt require any sample size or anything else, literally got infected from a freshly written malware:

• I got infected by a malware
• Defender didnt detect
• Virustotal only eset detected
• Bitdefender detected standalone
• Damage was done formatted my PC
• same virus got detected and removed by eset on my old computer but with wrong flag than how it looks on virustotal, prevented infection nevertheless

[lofty lark]

personal experience is not enough to somehow make defender universally bad
Absolutely no one argued against this. It has been people saying, "No one is making that claim."

I'm sorry

[broken sigil]

Sure I was wrong about that in this specific isolated case

[timber viper]

none of us argued about other things you said though, I revelead I think defender is bad after you defended against the idea meanwhile none of us stated about it

we dont need to convince each other, this is clearly subjective

[proud jay]

damn, how did I go to IKEA and drive home and you're still on this topic

[turbid spindle]

:question: does dieter have a punchable face?
:8ball: Ask again later.

[empty dune]

(this was a joke)

[broken sigil]

By the messages that started all this, it's implied

[median wraith]

idk whats going on, but were the meatballs tasty?

[broken sigil]

The ones I was originally replying to

[celest musk]

and more important, did you pay for them?

[proud jay]

didn't get any

[celest musk]

so no

[proud jay]

I really did consider though

[median wraith]

oh no

[turbid spindle]

:question: is ikea meatballs tasty?
:8ball: It is decidedly so.

[proud jay]

was too lazy to get back up to the restaurant after I got to the car

[turbid spindle]

:question: did Dieter pay?
:8ball: Cannot predict now.

:question: will dieter EVER pay?
:8ball: Signs point to yes.

[timber viper]

so TIL by researching combofix, there are also AVs specific for "experts"

and turns out combofix was about that

rather than for dummies like me

it had a very high chance of destroying your computer

even damaging permamently

[lofty lark]

And after they clarified they were talking about Eren's personal experience, and Laura specifically said "it's not horrible," you continued to ask for sources on the claim defender is bad. Again, after they clarified that was not what they were saying.

[celest musk]

is 365 Defender different from the free one?

[proud jay]

just click on the correct download button out of the 65 of them, no virus possible

[lofty lark]

You've opened this can of worms, now lay in it. Or something idk i need more tea

[timber viper]

do yourself a favor and drink coffee instead

[proud jay]

how is that a favor though

[timber viper]

coffee > tea

[lofty lark]

I got some green tea ice cream and green tea leaves btw :3

[proud jay]

depends

in most cases yes

[timber viper]

it doesnt

coffee is better

[proud jay]

but still you're not doing yourself a favor with it

[lofty lark]

am excited to try that green tea float thing

[rapid fox]

Tea is the superior beverage

[timber viper]

you can drink up to 4 cups per day without getting your health damaged

be the source

[proud jay]

well normal human cups are small

[timber viper]

go drink

yes

[lofty lark]

Your spew lies.

[proud jay]

but you can drink a lot more tea before dying

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-chilling-coffee-sleepy-cute-gif-17303471

[broken sigil]

Yes, I in fact didn't notice they changed their mind mid way through

[celest musk]

nothing, since i run shady shit in a VM

[timber viper]

If you are not drinking coffee 2 cups at least I dont know how you survive

especially laura

with that amount of mental burden

doing low level c++

[proud jay]

it depends on the day

[timber viper]

on ue5coro

[proud jay]

sometimes I go over a week without any coffee

sometimes I drink a litre in a day

[timber viper]

wat

[proud jay]

low quality though

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[celest musk]

also @trail ore a got security approach is imho to always assume that you get pwned any moment or are already pwned

[proud jay]

that number is too high to be low level

[timber viper]

https://youtu.be/w9rCP3JouAM?si=CEu5KpULDnGMDmae&t=4

[celest musk]

so keep offsite backups, and don't have private stuff on a machine which is online the whole time

[lofty lark]

I do it every day.
ⁱ ᵃᵐ ᵗᵒᵗᵃˡˡʸ ˢᵘʳᵛⁱᵛⁱⁿᵍ

[timber viper]

just try it

[lofty lark]

no

the only time I drink coffee is when I gotta make long drives through the night

[lofty lark]

bc I really don't wanna be on the road for 4+ hours while tired (like tired tired. eyes heavy tired)

[empty dune]

i drink neither tea or coffee. i also havent felt alive in over 2 decades. eren might be on to something

[celest musk]

it's probably even easier to hijack a linux system

[timber viper]

i met two reverse engineering people this monht and one of them said they go brr with windows but when it comes to linux they couldnt even unpack the malware and wasted weeks on this dumb thing

so its about familiarity i guess

[celest musk]

but usually those are only interesting targets within corpos

[timber viper]

just too unfamiliar with linux

[lofty lark]

It makes me awake and aware enough to drive safely, that's all that matters to me

[proud jay]

Ikea gave me smol bag for free for some reason

[timber viper]

you actually paid for it

[proud jay]

Hand for scale

[timber viper]

high five

[proud jay]

Nah

I’m a receipt checking kinda giy

Guy

[timber viper]

I'm not

depends on how bored I am

[proud jay]

This is how you become poor

[timber viper]

i am rich

by merely working two weeks

because I earn $ and spend ₺

[celest musk]

honestly i prefer scanners which run from usb sticks on an mounted file system

[proud jay]

But you live in turkiye though

[celest musk]

instead of something that might be tampered with by malware

[timber viper]

thats the trick

[proud jay]

Downside to everything

[timber viper]

i will definitely do my best to move next year

[celest musk]

there are several rootkit scanners and even live isos specially for that

[timber viper]

right now performing a long term manipulation to my family to convince them to come with me

[lofty lark]

out of country?

[timber viper]

yes

[celest musk]

how did you end up there in the first place?

[timber viper]

i am just worried I wont be able to protect my family if things get really bad here

otherwise I would already leave at 2021

[celest musk]

so you are dead now?

[lofty lark]

I wish you the best of luck and hope everything works out 🙏 . Genuinely.

[timber viper]

thanks

[celest musk]

so you are still somehow there

with "us"

[lofty lark]

Do you have plans are what country you want/can to move too?

[timber viper]

if my family decides to come with me, anywhere is OK that is feasible
if not, since I already know English either US or UK

if they dont work anywhere is OK from europe

but i will try, no guarantee of success

gamedev backend can infuence to several nations

which is good

it actually doesnt matter because since last elections Turkey got shadow banned completely

if you are a Turkish citizen you get auto rejected

[proud jay]

Just come to belgium

Easy social security without doing anything

And no one will throw you out even if illegal cause then you’re a racist

[empty dune]

i wanted to leave india at one point in my life. now i fully believe that pretty much every country in this world doing terribly and id rather live in a low cost of living country

[timber viper]

lol?

[lofty lark]

sounds like certain parts ot the US

[fleet tangle]

US is certainly polarised in that respect.

[lofty lark]

certain parts of the southern border have been passing policies to make illegal immigration easier 🙃

[timber viper]

US is polarized about everything these days

it scares me

[lofty lark]

The country is too big to know itself

[timber viper]

I am certain of one thing though

no matter which state you are in

[fleet tangle]

Can they or can't they believe it's not butter?!

[timber viper]

the more guns and the more money

places you to somewhre higher in society

i cant believe having more guns and money is literally a culture

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ruthless-warship-gif-25562945

[timber viper]

i just need a glock to apply "stand your ground" law

[lofty lark]

no point in owning them if you don't know how to use them either

[timber viper]

i cant use an m4

[proud jay]

you have to understand, our politicians are useless

even more so than the average politician

[timber viper]

can I arrive and be politician

[proud jay]

cause they can't do anything

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warships-battleship-uss-missouri-enel-gif-15986744

[proud jay]

cause they made a government with 6 parties just to get a majority

because the others didn't like the 2 biggest parties

[timber viper]

I'll help about 0 immigrant policy but I will be an immigrant myself too

[proud jay]

and that is how you get nothing done

[proud jay]

makes sense

I know a few immigrants that vote for right leaning parties

[fleet tangle]

Good ol' nuklear power!

[proud jay]

mostly because they are integrated and don't like how their fellow ex-countrymen don't

[lofty lark]

* Depends on the state. A lot of democratic states are very anti-second-amendment.

[empty dune]

i have decided sleep is for the weak. which civ should i play in civ 6? i havent played anything other than india and britain

[lofty lark]

And people have been charged for murder for defending themselves or their family from a lethal threat

[fleet tangle]

This be America: https://wiki.godvillegame.com/images/thumb/c/c9/Man_with_bear_arms.jpeg/300px-Man_with_bear_arms.jpeg

[lofty lark]

thats good ol' young uncle sam

[timber viper]

which state is best

[proud jay]

oh we do that here too

[lofty lark]

in what way?

[timber viper]

this is a sign of collapsion

[fleet tangle]

Solid

[lofty lark]

States that say, "you have a right to defend yourself from lethal force using lethal force?"

[timber viper]

no, in general

[proud jay]

like if someone is trying to rob your store and you shoot them, you can go to jail

[timber viper]

less bullshit, less politics and polarization

[proud jay]

even if the gun is legal

[lofty lark]

Southern states would fit that.

[timber viper]

if someone robs me at US its glock'o clock time

[lofty lark]

West coast is pretty much the epitome of the crazy side of the US you see online

[timber viper]

miami

and.. florida?

no way

florida is crazy

[lofty lark]

No

texas, arkansas, lousiana

that area

[timber viper]

i heard if I am not white I can get killed in texas

[lofty lark]

xD

I doubt that considering it has a significant mexican population

being on the southern border adn all

[timber viper]

why not boston and jersey

[lofty lark]

Cities

[lofty lark]

The bigger the city, the more of this generally

[lofty lark]

and no one likes jersey. dont be a jersey boy

[proud jay]

you can move to detroit, cheap housing

[lofty lark]

dont take that advice

plz

avoid detroit lmao

[proud jay]

it's hard facts

[lofty lark]

avoid chicago

[timber viper]

i cant wait to get bullied because I used "he/she" by mistake unintentionally if I arrive to US because my native language makes me use it sometimes when I am not focusing on what I am talking about

[lofty lark]

avoid san francisco

[proud jay]

average house in detroit is 75k

don't look up why

just buy

[lofty lark]

As long as you aren't west coast, most people won't give a shit tbh

If you're down south or midwest, people are probably gonna look at you weird if you ask them "what are your preferred pronouns"

Again, the US is too big to have one core indentity

I don't think the country will ever be truly united because of that

[timber viper]

if you ask them "what are your preferred pronouns"
if you would ask this on Turkey it would be so weird

[lofty lark]

New York, Louisana, and California all have significantly different cultures

[timber viper]

and I'll be coming from a place where is this considered as "wtf"

[proud jay]

who even asks that spontaneously

I mean I could adjust if you really wanna be called something else, but I'm not gonna be proactive about it

that's wild

[empty dune]

idk, if im corrected i switch to the preferred pronoun but asking it first is weird to me too

[timber viper]

recently one of my IRL friends came from US and told me he got harassed because of this

referred somene as "he"

[empty dune]

how so?

[proud jay]

Ok, but that’s really his fault for going to the US in the first place though

[timber viper]

why

dude wanted to study

[empty dune]

definitely shouldnt have gone to the US then

[timber viper]

he went to a cool university

forgot which one

something at MIT level but not MIT itself

there are a lot of Turkish devs here making mediocre or good looking but low profit games and then getting a US visa

I wonder if I can do the same

[proud jay]

tbh every time I work with someone from USA I'm disappointed in american education system

but then you just move from one third world country to another

[timber viper]

Japan education system is superior with some drawbacks

oh right finland

it should be the best

[empty dune]

im amazed murica held up the "first world country" illusion for so long lol

[proud jay]

well they do have money

it's just the majority of people that don't really

[timber viper]

their geography is too good

[broken sigil]

Japan is on my to-visit list... eventually

[timber viper]

I am able to visit japan with no visa

[empty dune]

japan.............is weird. ive read too many disturbing things about japanese culture to be comfortable about japan. definitely a nice place to visit but wouldnt live there if i had the choice

[unreal ether]

It's okay, they'll claim that back by privatising oxygen and taxing the shit out of it

[timber viper]

there are scary things for sure

medication and education system are scary af in US

[unreal ether]

oxygen? Nah you mean Oxygen™️

[empty dune]

for some reason, its apparently worse in germany, though not in cost. one of my friends there legit called me up one day because she was frustrated by the bureaucracy and said "it feels like its easier to die here than get treatment"

[unreal ether]

As funded by John Riccitiello, President of the USA

Literally like star citizen

Pay $1000 for a trip in the funky vehicle

[broken sigil]

Their culture is wildly different which even if it might be weird to me I can understand it

[lofty lark]

I would love to visit Japan next year in May for my birthday, but I think 7 months is too short of a time frame to start proper planning ;-;
and I may or may not be job hunting again come December 5th, so planning a trip like that is hella sketch

[unreal ether]

Sure.

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[lofty lark]

In Japan? I anticipated about two weeks.

[broken sigil]

As long as they know at least a bit of English it's probably fine 😅

Really wanna visit one day, maybe not as much their big cities but rather their temples and more traditional stuff

[timber viper]

thats my plan

tokyo -> kyoto -> osaka

[lofty lark]

I've never traveled outside of the US, so traveling to a foreign country for the first time, alone, where I don't speak the language, is admittedly a bit terrifying 😅

:O I have never revealed my age in this server

[timber viper]

especially in kyoto lol

[unreal ether]

We've all seen the truth now

[lofty lark]

There is no response, the information just magically appeared in your brain 🙂

[unreal ether]

Of course we won't

Isn't that just how being a human being works

Or do that many people really not get it

[empty dune]

14, because you think scorch is good 😔

[unreal ether]

I guess you could say you're a sourceror

[lofty lark]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

raindust really exposing me

oh he has a gun. i didnt notice mb

[lofty lark]

:O you're a genius. we're not slackers, we're sourcerors

someone tell pfist

i like sourcerors a lot tbh

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/information-brand-new-friends-phoebe-gif-5142413

guys

why is my pizza not here yet

[lofty lark]

sourceroresses

[timber viper]

it runs on gdscript

[unreal ether]

did you order it?

[lofty lark]

ordered to the wrong house mate

you got two now (kinda?)

[proud jay]

even paid for it 😔

[timber viper]

ditere hows job goin'

are u winning

[lofty lark]

Some pizza manager is chuckling to himself, "The fool paid for the pizza before we even made it! Ha!"

[proud jay]

imagine ordering pizza to an empty building plot lol

that would be funny

[proud jay]

define winning

[timber viper]

why everyone gets annoyed when I say "so desu ka?"

[proud jay]

nani?

[timber viper]

why inappropriate

[proud jay]

you just don't speak proper anime

oh

[timber viper]

dotsutano?

what

[proud jay]

pizza here I think

it is

gg

[timber viper]

dotsushitano

[lofty lark]

My biggest worry tbh is coming across disrespectful bc of either a) using the wrong vocabulary or b) not knowing culture specific stuff e.g., itadakimasu before a meal(?)

[timber viper]

i merely finised hiragana not the combined thingies like 違

[proud jay]

lmao

[lofty lark]

I can deal with getting lost but I so don't wanna be "that disrespectful foreigner"

[proud jay]

this dumbass rung the doorbell of the neighbor

learn to read house numbers

[lofty lark]

Do they have a "over 30 minutes its free" deal? You shoulda had your neighbor keep them busy for ya

[proud jay]

no

this is not america

[timber viper]

Chigatsu

Or chigau

[broken sigil]

Good to know

Yeah japanese traditional stuff is super cool to me

[lofty lark]

I don't think I could say a single sentence in japanese 😅 . I (debatably) know simple words. arigatou, gomen nasai, itadakimasu. that's about it

[timber viper]

Its amazing they have toriis everywhere

Beach, forest, temple

[timber viper]

You forgot baka

[lofty lark]

I don't think i have ever muttered or typed that word

[timber viper]

Say someone "anata wa baka desu, ne?" to get deported fast

Free ticket to home

I wanna see rural too though

[lofty lark]

I'm more interested in seeing rural japan than the city tbh. but that's purely bc I am not a fan of cities at all (which is also probably purely bc my only experience has been not so great US cities)

I'll definitely visit the cities, I just think the rural side of Japan is absolutely gorgeous (at least from what I've seen in various media obvi)

[broken sigil]

if I ever get myself to visit I'll hopefully remember the places you mentioned 😅

My biggest concern is communication, I wouldn't know how to buy food lol

[lofty lark]

My plan was to point 😅

[broken sigil]

so I need to at least learn how to thank lol

[lofty lark]

just " kudasai onegaishimasu" (i think?)(i know)

[timber viper]

Arigatou

Whats the difference?

[lofty lark]

spelling

pronounciation

[timber viper]

Animes taught onegai, duolingo taught kudasai

This politeness thingy Killing me

In japanese

[broken sigil]

||I'm going only if they use windows defender in Japan|| ||(on a serious note sorry if that AV conversation before offended anyone, it went on for a bit too long)||

[timber viper]

||all good on my side, i dont really felt/feel offended|| though I would like to see your sources first

[lofty lark]

|| I did not help by extending it. apologies of pre-tea me >.>||

[broken sigil]

[proud jay]

||I'd like to not apologize for anything||

[broken sigil]

||nah all good, I got a bit involved in that convo 😐 ||

[timber viper]

Hai masu

Eren desu masu?

[broken sigil]

||here is my source||

[timber viper]

You said no exceptions

[lofty lark]

Is anyone here playing MK1 2023 >.>

[timber viper]

It runs on source so agreed

[broken sigil]

oh yeah it's actually source

[lofty lark]

I knew you were a freaking time traveler. only way you could stop playing MK1 2023 in the '90s.

Its why you're always 🥇

[timber viper]

Its heavily modified source

With a lot of squirrel code

[unborn lotus]

Anyone remember MDK2?

[broken sigil]

Wanna play TF2 for a bit?
I'm gonna be playing in like 15m

Titanfall 2

[proud jay]

cause you're poor after buying it probably

[queen isle]

i thought tea was made with water

[lofty lark]

Why do people buy milk tea

Just make a cup of tea and put milk in it

been drinking that since I was like 6

[proud jay]

you put the milk in after

[proud jay]

so for like 3 weeks now?

[lofty lark]

I didn't even know "milk tea" was it's own thing until recently. I just thought that was how you drank tea, similar to how people put creamer in their coffee

[proud jay]

yeah, I can't do milk in tea either

except there was this indian tea once, delicious with some milk

[broken sigil]

my lactose intolerance would like to have a word

[lofty lark]

I only put milk in black tea. I tried it in others, not a fan.

[bronze axle]

Milk in tea is tasty. Milk tea, however, is not just milk added to tea.

Millions of monsters. They're all over the world.

[lofty lark]

Milk tea refers to several forms of beverage found in many cultures, First of all, sugar is added to the water along with tea leaves and milk is added after heating it.
According to wikipedia