What a cat-astrophe!
#lounge
fleet tangle
errant raven
Hes pissing
fleet tangle
Heh. Me either.
river sable
fathom wadi
I don't ever make shipping builds as I get sea sick.
soft night
was very strange day without discord
pearl elk
isnt that just Rocket League 😮
graceful sequoia
was very strange day without discord
is it still going on?
woven wing
Day 438. I'm still not used to the new icon
graceful sequoia
you should check your computers clock
I think you might be in a time and space kerfuffle
graceful sequoia
am I horrible for being kind of pumped that Dianne feinstein died
regal pecan
determining that would require more context
woven wing
I hate topology
This is just the worst
Maybe I shouldn't have picked a weirdly proportioned owl man demon with funny legs as the first character I try and model
regal pecan
Oh that kind of topology.
woven wing
Armpits
regal pecan
Just zbrush the hell out of it and retopo later. Topology shmopology.
woven wing
My rectangles have too many sides
woven wing
Just zbrush the hell out of it and retopo later. Topology shmopology.
That's 100% what I'm doing from now on
WOO
It crashed and I haven't saved for like an hour
I'm going to make something that gives me more room to actually see what I'm doing tomorrow
I thought it would be easier because skinny
That was not the case
regal pecan
hah
graceful sequoia
cool character though
unborn lotus
Here we go again https://www.reuters.com/world/us-monitoring-large-serbian-force-along-kosovo-border-white-house-2023-09-29/
timber viper
Turkey might involve too
errant raven
God damn it serbia
Im on Serbia's side tho
You cant just move into a country, by the masses, and try to become your own country
U.s shouldn't even recognize Kosovo
unborn lotus
You cant just move into a country, by the masses, and try to become your own cou...
hello from native americans
errant raven
Let them reclaim their territory they won from ottoman empire fair and square years ago
As long as another Duke doesnt get assassinated its ok
regal pecan
Im on Serbia's side tho
Im on Serbia's side tho
You cant just move into a country, by the masses, and try to become your own country
These two statements seem contradictory, or at least the latter is a non sequitur. It might apply to other conflicts, but not this one.
full halo
I just finished installing my new PSU and custom cables
median wraith
Pro tip of the day: Walls dont work like this at corners
regal pecan
Good to see source engine still being source engine.
devout berry
Pro tip of the day: Walls dont work like this at corners
Maybe it’s one of those brick effect wallpapers
median wraith
Good to see source engine still being source engine.
Actually the only way to get that is manually doing it
regal pecan
Actually the only way to get that is manually doing it
It can happen accidentally if the walls align at the right grid coordinate and the uv coords match.
But I was thinking more about the stairs.
median wraith
Yeah is true on that first one too yeah
but is strange because ALL the corners in that room match
the person making it had a bad night or something
median wraith
Maybe it’s one of those brick effect wallpapers
It's a paper since is under the walls frame in other places
ivory laurel
Hi all! I run a virtual production studio in NYC and unfortunately missed out on tickets to Unreal Fest 2023. My partner and I would really love to go! Please message me if you have 2 tickets you'd be willing to sell us, we'd be very grateful. Thank you!!
fleet tangle
Might have more luck in #industry-chat
slim atlas
Maybe it’s one of those brick effect wallpapers
stop being silly
i mean it.
There is no brick wallpaper
its a lie
keen moon
everyone in october 1st be like 💀
fleet tangle
Wonders what you're talking about
unreal ether
Clearly everyone is going to die on October 1st
mirogaming08 knows something about a mass extinction event that we are blind to
lucid sand
Clearly everyone is going to die on October 1st
mirogaming08 knows something ab...
what's this
today is october /1
unreal ether
Guess we're safe then 🤣
lucid sand
WHATTTT
????
LAURA
HOW DID U KNOW
iam SCARED
do you know where iam from
laura ??
🤔
am i that easy to guess 😦 ?
this is unfair
i like quokka
whether its sad or not
always smile
like drug addicted people
celest musk
spicy or raw?
lucid sand
always happy 😄
celest musk
oh
celest musk
drug addicts don't smile much
celest musk
no
lucid sand
hm
unreal ether
drug addicts don't smile much
Have you never seen We Happy Few? :P
lucid sand
idk why vfx people uses
houdini
instead of
maya
or blender
correct me
if iam wrong
iam noob here
unreal ether
Probably because Houdini is designed around procedural stuff
unborn lotus
Maya is the work of the devil
unreal ether
The other 2 arent
celest musk
Have you never seen We Happy Few? :P
no, but i have to deal with drug addicts all the time
celest musk
"deal" might be bad phrased in that matter
celest musk
imagine buying SC2, getting banned for some made up reason and then blackmailed to send them a copy of your ID to proof that you are you
while they didn't have the ID in the first place
lucid sand
💀
celest musk
so any ID would have worked
candid ore
anyone whos willing to send their ID probably deserves the account
celest musk
xD
lucid sand
is there any doc website about
Unreal engine for Unity developers
just for documentation
Actor = Game Object ?
Actor Component = Component?
Map = Scene ?
?????
unborn lotus
Imagine getting Cod Warzone for free with your intel cpu, but actually it wasn't warzone because they added it to a whole new thing and I can't even remember and can't find where it was
celest musk
i think lauras unity => UE stuff is pinned in #ue5-general
lucid sand
okay
proud jay
Unreal engine for Unity developers
celest musk
now tell dieter to pay
pearl elk
There is no brick wallpaper
median wraith
Best thing about Source Engine 2 is that you can open and close the toilets and get inside
mossy nexus
median wraith
the portable ones
slim atlas
Me on the toilette when things have become stuck...
median wraith
a nice place to sink
median wraith
Also this counts in realtime the num of people that fall from the building
yes
there are 2 cardboards I found with that across the map
it counts people that fall from the building, not total sure but it seems like that
also the toilets in vertigo can be opened with e
carmine frigate
unborn lotus
Do they still have silver ranks and novas and all that?
ivory lodge
Sup meatbags!
unborn lotus
It's sourcers now
ivory lodge
Well, at least we are safe because no one uses bing.
Or clippy as we used to call it.
proud jay
anyone got recommendations for a standing desk chair
as in you can use it both while standing and while seated?
fleet tangle
Simple answer: just don't use bing.
proud jay
more like leaning
pearl elk
Chair Standing... I played that game
errant raven
@median wraith for the love of god what does valve mean by their tickless servers for cs2
proud jay
there's no ticks, no Lyme's disease
unborn lotus
and no religion too
errant raven
@broken sigil https://youtu.be/-xtYm_poF_8?si=1Ooymv1cuPXFeAiV
You're welcome
Why video unavailable
median wraith
<@94317435246620672> for the love of god what does valve mean by their tickless ...
Seems like there is a sync between players to prevent them to see different things
errant raven
I wish they made a anti cheat as good as the new bomb inspect animation
3 cheaters out of the 40 games I played is unacceptable
Needs to be 0
errant raven
Seems like there is a sync between players to prevent them to see different thin...
Is it as smooth as 128 tick was
Gotta relearn 200 nade lineups, some preaims and well be golden
median wraith
the video explains it
there is a recalibration all the time
they know, look at the white backgrounds @sand oxide will love it
also the windows bar at the top
thats interesting
clear dust
yesterday Riot games...today UMG...what's next???
celest musk
and norton midnight commander on the right
your first color scheme looks like it was made by some coffee brand
fleet tangle
God. I've only just realised, ensign hoshi from enterprise. Her name literally translates as star :/
tiny bone
Is enterprise any good? I only watched TNG and DS9 and both were amazing
tulip orbit
test? huh. couldnt msg in another channel for some reason
fleet tangle
I had a message take a couple of minutes to send just now.
Mabye Discord being Discord again.
errant raven
<:berk:1013540048785907743>
It was better than I could've realized
tulip orbit
damn clouds
ivory lodge
I have to go out with people and have fun tonight. I want to go home and make game stuff. 😦
tulip orbit
I just got a new monitor and SSD. Tweaking the monitors a little right now
ivory lodge
Just rub it in...
tulip orbit
colors are very different between the two, like... quite noticeably
hm. new monitor is 350cd, vs 300. and 1000:1 vs 3000:1 why are my colors so diff. new has HDR but but its not on atm
ah. monitor settings
soft night
fleet tangle
Obviously a good hacker.
tulip orbit
Hm. I wonder if Steams Move Content thing in the library works good
zinc matrix
hey, good morning guys.
hope you all do better than yesterday
graceful sequoia
steam move content works fine in my experience
or just uninstall all those games you play instead of building your own
errant raven
https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-gif-24707533
If only
@broken sigil dont you love misinformation
Guy on youtube who makes propaganda against china said they was throwing a petty party over their pandas and making the U.S and other countries return all their captive pandas back to china
One google search explains it's because if a contract agreement between zoos and wildlife officials is ending soon. Nothing about a petty dispute
Tiktok is a hell of a place for dumbasses
They're endangered
Atleast china cares about its local wildlife
Wish I could say that about its own citizens
Why does 1941 sound so familiar
Cant quite put my superior finger on it
Wasnt that the year a german scientist/rocket engineer fled to the U.S to help with space program
The one who made the v2 or b2 or whatever-the-fuck2 rocket propulsion engine or whatever
Ah I was close, 1942
broken sigil
Tiktok is a hell of a place for dumbasses
errant raven
<a:greencheck:1091091954072305664>
Looks pretty low quality to me, why not make it a vector image instead
errant raven
Go ahead infinite upscale/downscale quality and transparency
Now were getting somewhere
regal pecan
One google search explains it's because if a contract agreement between zoos and...
One contract ending would be trivial news. This being essentially the last such contract, which no new contracts being renewed or even being negotiated, is a curiosity.
broken sigil
you'll have to ask whoever made that reaction over at the SC server 😅
errant raven
One contract ending would be trivial news. This being essentially the last such ...
It's their native animal, they have all the rights to them
Not sad news to me, none of the zoos near me within 300 miles have pandas
Sloths
fleet tangle
Tiktok is a hell of a place for dumbasses
And Chinese data mining.
errant raven
Now those are interesting animals
The only animal that shares the same name as a sin
Living wage is so high because the governments are ran by satan and making people work themselves to death is sloth
Wake up people
regal pecan
It's their native animal, they have all the rights to them
That would be a useful point if you're arguing that the pandas are being deliberately withdrawn.
errant raven
That would be a useful point if you're arguing that the pandas are being deliber...
Guy who makes youtube shorts/Tiktoks said they were deliberately doing it 💀
Contracts ending and our relations with china are pretty terrible rn so obviously they arent gonna come to terms and extend/renew contracts
regal pecan
A less conspiratorial argument: Most of these pands are old and it wouldn't look great to have them all dying of old age at the same time in the US.
errant raven
Theres only two zoos in the u.s that I know of that houses these pandas
Far asf away from me
Paying 7 months worth of rent to go see an obese lazy bear eat bamboo sounds boring
ivory lodge
People. Amiright?
timber viper
I demand a panda for myself too
ivory lodge
Theres only two zoos in the u.s that I know of that houses these pandas
Just go to Panda Express. For all your panda needs
austere stirrup
Anyone here work at NetEase Games?
graceful sequoia
crazy me thinking there would be any kind of data structure involved here. O(n) it is
I mean a data structure other than a list, that is
pale scarab
i know unreal dev will never care about a nobody like me
but i just wanna say im so happy about unreal. look at how far it came...
cyberpunk and lies of P uses this engine! like wth. so proud of unreal
unborn lotus
Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't use ue
pale scarab
Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't use ue
weird. i swear i saw an article saying the dev is using unreal 🤔
graceful sequoia
weird. i swear i saw an article saying the dev is using unreal 🤔
after the mess CD Projekt got into with Cyberpunk, they announced that they were switching to Unreal, presumably for Witcher 4
here's a recent article about the topic https://gameranx.com/updates/id/477414/article/cd-projekt-red-director-comments-on-unreal-engine-5-transition/
pale scarab
here's a recent article about the topic https://gameranx.com/updates/id/477414/a...
😍
wowww unreal dev/CEO must be jumping for joy
the most biggest game ever go to use THEIR engine?!
bet they feel like "we've come this far"
graceful sequoia
im sure its just another game to Epic and Tim, there's endless numbers of AAA games shipped with unreal spanning multiple decades
unborn lotus
Im sure it's a drop in the water compared to fortnite money
proud jay
why does bing start its conversation like this lol?
graceful sequoia
cause LLMs are crap masquerading as a revolution
proud jay
let's burn down france
celest musk
shit is on fire then...
zinc matrix
that is not a goose, that is illegal
proud jay
you should check out his channel
cyriak is a legend
maybe you've seen his cows before?
unborn lotus
i am an aldult now
16 is not an adult
tulip orbit
I'm 40 and I'm still not an adult
tulip orbit
being old suuucks
unborn lotus
How can you operate this discord though? It's a miracle
tulip orbit
I just make pfist do it
unborn lotus
Do the grandkids help? 😋
zinc matrix
im so young i think i can finish and publish a novel in my 30s
i barely know english now
unborn lotus
Im not far off from 40, I hope I'll finally make a UE game by then
proud jay
you should be working on your gravestone instead
zinc matrix
Im not far off from 40, I hope I'll finally make a UE game by then
unreal engine 6
tulip orbit
I'd have to be immortal to have a chance at finishing my game
unborn lotus
unreal engine 6
Don't think so, UE4 had like 9 years or what
pearl elk
Wasnt worth making a game before Playstation 6 anyways
unborn lotus
Of updates
zinc matrix
Don't think so, UE4 had like 9 years or what
well moose's law now it's 4 years
unborn lotus
It's a lot easier now since I don't have to bake anything, I might have a chance
They barely released 5 though
zinc matrix
I'd have to be immortal to have a chance at finishing my game
you can wait 20 years and whisper to your AIs how you would like your game to be
pearl elk
"make me something to milk those whales"
zinc matrix
ohno
unborn lotus
you can wait 20 years and whisper to your AIs how you would like your game to be
After you're dead an AI will resurrect your consciousness based on your online presence and you'll have a chance to finish it
zinc matrix
After you're dead an AI will resurrect your consciousness based on your online p...
that does sound like an expensive service
probably provided by elon musk
10 millions dollar per use
unreal ether
"make me something to milk those whales"
Why was this the first thing I read in lounge today 🙃
lucid sand
I'm far too socially awkward to have kids, much less grandkids
its okay 😦
as long as you are happy !! its fine!!
pearl elk
ewww kids
zinc matrix
if there are womens that wanted to be single mother, so sperm donor is not really unethical?
lucid sand
if there are womens that wanted to be single mother, so sperm donor is not reall...
???
wait first of all
zinc matrix
but like i was watching youtube about this stuff and there is a guy that have 19 children
lucid sand
i have noone
zinc matrix
like how is this even real
lucid sand
wtf
zinc matrix
is it ethical to you guys
lucid sand
how do u have 19 kids ?
??????????????????
can his sperm
produce that much ?
thats Crazy
zinc matrix
yeah one cum of you can produce 1000+ kids
zinc matrix
that's not weird, that's science
empty dune
What the fuck is happening in here
lucid sand
Science
lucid sand
What the fuck is happening in here
we talking about ethical issues of having many childrens
zinc matrix
What the fuck is happening in here
i was scrolling youtube as usual
lucid sand
and discussing how powerful the cum is
empty dune
Ofcourse, totally natural, our go to topic to cool off from unreal engine grind
pearl elk
zinc matrix
but if you really think about it, if you fucked someone and have 1 child, and then spend not enough time to raise the child, people called you unethical
this guy just donate sperm, make 20 child, pay 0 time, 0 money, actually he even earn money for donating sperm, and that is a normal ethical thing
how is this even worked
wtf
lucid sand
but if you really think about it, if you fucked someone and have 1 child, and th...
i have no idea
empty dune
you can produce entire china in 1 shot
thats not how it works, none of this is how it works
stay in school kids
unless youre in murica
zinc matrix
thats not how it works, none of this is how it works
do i looked like a sperm doctor
empty dune
then dont go when the quiet kid tells you not to
empty dune
do i looked like a sperm doctor
my apologies, i mistook you for someone with a non negative int mod
steady fox
I just spent a good 6 hours updating my knowledge on emulation model ripping and learning some blender, this is body harvest for N64.
I was doing it as a study project I found out I could stitch everything together then bake the landscape and create things 1:1 in unreal, no idea if it's worth the trouble, but I could do just the first little area, for fun.
N64 dumped like 5k textures because of how things were done, noone's dumped body harvest assets yet.
lucid sand
I just spent a good 6 hours updating my knowledge on emulation model ripping and...
that gives me
wow3
Warcraft 3
it's complainemnt
i lvoe it
lucid sand
;-;
steady fox
dump the ram from an emulator and stitch it together
steady fox
are you planning to release it
hell no, lol
steady fox
this is just a fun thing to do, might do a youtube series
steady fox
you could make zelda 😄
eh, it's been done and dusted, i'd rather do my own things
lucid sand
i will watch it i think that's really intresteting thing to watch
lucid sand
eh, it's been done and dusted, i'd rather do my own things
OOOOO
i like this!!!
making something fresh O.O
thats what i like to hear
steady fox
I reckon I should probably document it as a journey thing
lucid sand
that implies me ... you are going to make like website
steady fox
wonder if I should have a fresh youtube channel
lucid sand
and post what you have done ?
steady fox
nah
lucid sand
oo
steady fox
I don't have a ton of time nowadays at the moment
I got a few other projects I was supposed to be doing
lucid sand
i can see that you are programmer O_O
lucid sand
I got a few other projects I was supposed to be doing
FUN
is it for your job ?
or personal
steady fox
i can see that you are programmer O_O
tech artist
lucid sand
oooo
steady fox
personal and part of a job
lucid sand
you are expensive dude
i love it
i respect TA
they know how to code
and art
at the same time
which makes me think TA jobs are hot
steady fox
My art is not great but I can code things to look good
lucid sand
I just spent a good 6 hours updating my knowledge on emulation model ripping and...
i cant do it like this
all i can do is
make a box
and minecraft
iam uni student at the moment
i enjoy all ur stuff you made
big respect ❤️
finite canopy
Anyone know of seesaawiki? Is it a safe site? There's something I want to download from there but I'm unfamiliar with it and am unsure whether I should.
errant raven
Lauraaaa
steady fox
i enjoy all ur stuff you made
Ta, but its just memory dumps from n64 games, also, body harvest works pretty well now for emulation if anyone wants to know
steady fox
Body harvest had an issue with the first bridge, you couldn't pass it, it appears fixed though.
It was a pain in the butt to get exporting, I might do an up to date tutorial on it
full halo
Valorant is just weeaboo CS:GO
Fair
Did you see how they're doing smoke in the new Counter Strike?
They basically use voxels that can be affected by things like bullet trace, to clear holes you can see through in the smoke.
queen isle
iceberg for unity, i wonder if anyone made one for unreal
timber viper
lol
how these are relevant with unity
i thought its c# implementation was too bad it couldnt even attempt doing those
timber viper
iceberg for unity, i wonder if anyone made one for unreal
for UE at the most bottom you would see BPVM, LinkerLoad, ScriptSerialization, Cooker etc
a little bit above you'd see material compiler
UHT internals etc
queen isle
Ohyeah I've seen unreal gpu/cpu debugger, have no idea what 90% stuff on there is
waxen roost
Is there any active mods rn?
graceful sequoia
for UE at the most bottom you would see BPVM, LinkerLoad, ScriptSerialization, C...
kismet compiler 😭
timber viper
kismet compiler is a pseudo compiler lol
hacks on top of hacks to support damn nodes
awful algorithms to traverse through non existing AST
its still a product of a giga brain person but it just awful
graceful sequoia
multi-day debugging processes with zero useful diagnostic information
CDOs
making the animation budget system work
unreal ether
i dont get why things like big o, and lambdas are so far down that iceberg lol
dot product as well
timber viper
i dont get why things like big o, and lambdas are so far down that iceberg lol
Unity is mostly casual and hypercasual scale
They dont need to learn it earlier xD
graceful sequoia
This is pain
if you completely ignore the docs and just read the code, its a hell of a lot easier
timber viper
if you completely ignore the docs and just read the code, its a hell of a lot ea...
Anim instancing is also quite difficult
graceful sequoia
yeah
zinc matrix
for unreal
graceful sequoia
branchless code is a super cool thing though, completely not unity specific
also not sure how it would be impossible to do branchless in unity, at least for your own code
whether it would have the impact you want is debatable
timber viper
also not sure how it would be impossible to do branchless in unity, at least for...
mono backend will have branches nevertheless, no?
graceful sequoia
that's why I said for your own code
timber viper
ah fair
graceful sequoia
the null object pattern is a good example of branchless
timber viper
what does it do?
graceful sequoia
instead of null checking, you use a specific implementation that does what you want when the reference is null
graceful sequoia
compare it to the null object, which is a Singleton but comparing it voids the point
the point is: you don't need to care that it's null
it works exactly as it should when you call it's functions
branching can make up a lot of runtime assuming your function overhead is low
the number one reason it is often ignored is that function overhead is rarely low
but in languages like Smalltalk, it is used heavily
timber viper
do TYT ever require this
graceful sequoia
no
timber viper
did you ever require this
graceful sequoia
it's not about it being required, it's a technique
in this case i learned about how you can apply branchless and nullobject pattern in college
standard fare
ok its not standard fare, it was a really fucking good professor
i have used nullobject pattern but rarely to overtake branching overhead
timber viper
ok its not standard fare, it was a _really fucking good_ professor
any relations with red black trees?
xD
timber viper
😌
graceful sequoia
that guy was my worst professor
he was a total asshole
he would grade using an automation system
and i would always go above and beyond
so my programs would fail and hed be like "tough luck fuck you"
tbf there's something totally valid to that style, because it mimicks what we do with TDD
but he was not teaching TDD
and didnt even mention testing at all
it was just a way for him to be lazy sadly
timber viper
sounds like a terrible person
graceful sequoia
my second favorite professor was also fantastic -- he had one course where you would implement a filesystem or a shell
he knew i had been programming for a decade before college, so he told me instead of writing it in python as everyone else was, i had to use C++
graceful sequoia
laura is all our professor
agreed
well, snarky, but a good teacher
the snark is the fun though
timber viper
who doesnt like get bullied for using printf
graceful sequoia
i learned so much about UNIX writing a shell in C/C++ as it was intended
timber viper
its for my own good
graceful sequoia
C and UNIX are made for each other
zinc matrix
i wonder if Laura know half the universe worth of information about unreal did she actually made any game
graceful sequoia
i have written shells in JS, ruby and C# since then
timber viper
C and UNIX are made for each other
these are beyond my level
graceful sequoia
...all painful
timber viper
I survive with 3 brain cells dont torture me
graceful sequoia
i am currently, on the side, working on a blueprint-like graph that compiles down to Typescript
timber viper
i know someone who did it for JS
graceful sequoia
i am currently, on the side, working on a blueprint-like graph that compiles dow...
the use case is for automation workflow systems, to replace a tool called Vantage that we use at TYT
which is the absolute worst graphical programming language i have ever encountered
graceful sequoia
what did you think it was
and dont think i dont know your creeping on my github
timber viper
and a Turkish partnering with an Armenian person to lead the company, who said we dont like each other 
graceful sequoia
our name is horrid
timber viper
and someone from Georgia leading the engineering
timber viper
you told me that
graceful sequoia
...nooo i dont think i did
graceful sequoia
im from michigan but i live in california
timber viper
makes sense
graceful sequoia
not "TYT" but "The Young Turks"
timber viper
its too political especially since US is conflicting with Turkey these days
graceful sequoia
no its not that
never mind i guess
you are turkish right? you know the implication, its bad
timber viper
The Young Turks were a historial group attempted a coup against Ottoman ruler and succeeded
then ruined the country
graceful sequoia
sure
timber viper
thats what I know of them
they're famous by losing balkans and causing 2 million of Turks to die
timber viper
its because especially since karabagh war people assume we'll be enemies everywhere as individuals
meanwhile we get along pretty much well
graceful sequoia
anyway yeah i think your current endeavor is very similar to my work making an object graph compile to TS
so hmu if theres anything i can help with
broken sigil
btw @timber viper
You could say I have been playing TF2 just a bit since we last played 😆
graceful sequoia
siliex has plenty of good points but i want to mention that BP is specifically designed to not be impossible to convert to the normal textual language. for instance, you cannot branch two things off a normal exec pin
timber viper
siliex has plenty of good points but i want to mention that BP is specifically d...
you're thinkign similar to how epic thought back at the day
hence why they removed
they failed
graceful sequoia
epic fails at a lot of things
they are not the litmus test we should judge ourselves against
worldpartition doesnt even work
not the only subsystem
timber viper
btw <@748517221608980631>
You could say I have been playing TF2 just a bit sinc...
not being productive i see
timber viper
siliex has plenty of good points but i want to mention that BP is specifically d...
as long as I work on bytecode how graph looks like doesnt matter
broken sigil
not being productive i see
I'm slightly addicted to it 😅
And the new Cyberpunk dlc is fueling that addiction even more lol
graceful sequoia
as long as I work on bytecode how graph looks like doesnt matter
that might be the biggest disconnect on this discusison
graceful sequoia
my compiler operates from the graph
theres no bytecode that i made up that im converting down
graceful sequoia
yes but the same is true of BP
timber viper
technically yeah
graceful sequoia
i think the biggest challenge of what im thinking of is mapping from K2_* to native stuff
but technically
if you generate out some C++ that calls the K2_* stuff, it kind of still works, and you can edit it after the fact
broken sigil
The problem with interpreting BP nodes themselves is that you end up with a whole bunch of "snowflake" implementations for specific nodes
While interpreting bytecode doesn't have that issue, you are "just" interpreting exactly what the BP compiler generated, there are a lot less edge cases
timber viper
ExpandNode and custom thunks are biggest problems
so recursions and latent actions are
rest is easy peasy
these 4 things limit you to bytecode
graceful sequoia
The problem with interpreting BP nodes themselves is that you end up with a whol...
yes this is true -- but if you dont have a snowflake, the base rules should still work
yeah tbf i am very focused on the functions
the event graph is...
more of a pain in the ass
probably will never 100% work out the gate but i wouldnt want it to
not really the point
graceful sequoia
yeah i looked at it but there was a lot going on
timber viper
thats the most readable you can get
graceful sequoia
here in lounge i can look closer if you resend
timber viper
hold on
you can ignore the sequence's local scope
it was an optional thingy
but this is how it was working when I first started
I could have an AST instead of a string builder and use const variables inside of inlining things to func params
would make it more readable
but...
imagine this is conntected to somewhere else
from same output
graceful sequoia
yeah
timber viper
thats what I did
but then
here is how delay works
this is no fun to nest
or wrap it to a function
because it wont be readable in any way
graceful sequoia
co_await?
timber viper
back at the day it was just becoming a thing 😄
graceful sequoia
its a thing now though
timber viper
this still didnt support K2Nodes that expand and custom thunk functions
and was verrryy error prone
graceful sequoia
yeah things like custom chunks, assuming you have no "snowflake" for it, will just not work
timber viper
there was no way to convert SpawnActor
also some things are protected or private
yet accessible on BP
graceful sequoia
there was no way to convert SpawnActor
yeah i was thinking about this converting some spawnactors
one of those weird places where BP has more capabilities than C++
so how does SpawnActor do its thing in BPVM?
graceful sequoia
i assume it uses deferred spawn
timber viper
internally yea but thats cpp part
exposeonspawn thigny is interesting
it might be a custom thunk or some k2node node thigny that expands to moon
by adding Set nodes all over the place
graceful sequoia
somewhat ironically
custom chunks are a place where an actual VM replacement would work better
because while you cant call them from c++
you can certainly emit their code
timber viper
you are turkish right? you know the implication, its bad
not to change topic but just wanted to add this to not leave a bad impression, i just understood what you mean
graceful sequoia
lol yeah
timber viper
and i was rather happy to see both working together
graceful sequoia
we mean it to be the dictionary definition: rebels fighting for a cause
but for armenians it is not an appreciated name
timber viper
its understandable, though fun thing is
no one likes young turks lol
they served no one
not even Turks
so yeah
definitely an odd naming choice
timber viper
you can certainly emit their code
how about your TS thingy
doesnt it have awful thingies somewhere
suffering from similar things?
graceful sequoia
not yet
the most difficult things are branch prediction
and not in the CPU sense
timber viper
if it would be JS and not TS I would ask how do you handle implicit operations
graceful sequoia
the TS part isnt very impactful compared to JS
the trickiest bit is detecting when lines reconverge
timber viper
which GUI framework you're using?
graceful sequoia
to produce code that isnt repetitive
the graph itself uses Diazo, a library i wrote
its open source
but highly angular tied
timber viper
they are not aware yet
graceful sequoia
but highly angular tied
consider branch -> (A) node1 -> node2
and (B) -> node3 -> node2
if you are converting that to text
you would ideally get
if (branch) {
node1
} else {
node3
}
node2
but you have to detect the reconvergence
and its not always possible to do
but when you fail, the result is just duplicated code
it still works
beyond that, in fireflow (the name of the language), the diazo graph nodes actually specific the fireflow ast information directly
so all of the conversion to TS is encoded in the data itself
there's a few special cases, but most cases are handled there
timber viper
this all happens in an AST right?
graceful sequoia
the reason I'm doing this is because TS is also a supported workflow language
timber viper
you're not doing fancy string builder stuff
graceful sequoia
this all happens in an AST right?
there is an AST yes that describes the targetable parts of TS
graceful sequoia
you're not doing fancy string builder stuff
no
timber viper
some riot employee told me when he worked on a similar case he wrapped the logic in a function
graceful sequoia
none of that either
each node is just a construct of TS
like an if statement or a function call, or a variable assignment
there are a few places where the design of the graphical language differs a lot to BP to make it map more cleanly though
graceful sequoia
the goal is to write your workflow in graphical language and have the option to convert it permanently to TS
timber viper
God of war's new lang to replace lua
timber viper
the goal is to write your workflow in graphical language and have the option to ...
So whats the current progress?
graceful sequoia
works pretty good, I'd say about 90% of what I want to be exposed is there
last time I worked on it I shifted to the Pipelines part
because LiveFire is a media server
workflows is just half of it
timber viper
How things are reflected to graph
graceful sequoia
Pipelines uses Diazo to construct ffmpeg graphs
graceful sequoia
How things are reflected to graph
how do you mean?
timber viper
Is graph aware a func or variable exist in TS or do user implement things there directly
graceful sequoia
you start with graph and you can optionally permanently convert it to TS and edit the TS
you cannot go the other direction
timber viper
Hmm
graceful sequoia
there is a wrinkle here about exposing APIs
TS doesn't have any way to expose type information at runtime
so to ensure that all your TS library code and the engines own code is 100% exposed in a convenient way, I've got this: https://typescript-rtti.org/
but the devil is in the fucking details here
my solution is one of many
timber viper
graceful sequoia
and they all have problems
graceful sequoia
there is no reflection in TS
timber viper
No in general
graceful sequoia
the term rtti here is a bit of a misnomer
timber viper
Term wise
graceful sequoia
in C++ it refers to runtime type checks
tsrtti can do that, but it's just the mechanism that the metadata is encoded and accessed
so it's probably more correctly described as reflection
the quandary I currently face is that import based metadata has a lot of problems, so it's probably best to use a central store of metadata for the entire compilation, but certain tools in the ecosystem do not compile your code as an entire bundle (jest) so that is problematic
the current version uses import based metadata
but I have a branch that changes it to central store instead
there is also deepkit and tst-reflect which provide similar functionality
but as much as I'd like to not, there's problems with both
it doesn't block fireflow, because I can manually construct nodes for each necessary API function, but tsrtti will allow it to be general purpose and require zero manual work to expose functions
and sure, I could add my own UPROPERTY decorator
I'd like to not
mainly because LiveFire also uses conduit https://github.com/astronautlabs/conduit
timber viper
I assume UHT like thingy wouldnt work with TS either
graceful sequoia
and conduit let's you skip all of this shit and just use the rpc layer directly
timber viper
You have a lot of things in github
graceful sequoia
yeah
all just stuff to make a good foundation really
people are super into trpc these days but it requires a special dsl that I cannot stand. and grpc requires an idl
I really want something that works across rpc, rest, and in-app plugin in one fell swoop
unreal is just the fun stuff!!
my games gonna be shit and I love it
At least the combat will be
broken sigil
people are super into trpc these days but it requires a special dsl that I canno...
I needed a C++ RPC library for some stuff I'm working on... considered using grpc but as soon as a I saw how much pain in the as* it is to work with I ended up writing my own C++ RPC system which right now is used across all our internal tools lol
graceful sequoia
yeah grpc is pretty painful
I'd like to say conduit is a thing for that but it's pretty specific to JS at the moment
I want to add more libraries for different languages and platforms
but the semantics are all JS semantics
bit of an impedance mismatch
broken sigil
it does the job 😅
graceful sequoia
could do something like delegate macros do to put the names inline
surely painful though
broken sigil
could do something like delegate macros do to put the names inline
The problem with that is I would need (like UE does) to have macros for every number of parameters you want to support, like 1, 2, 3, etc...
This can support whatever number of parameters you want
And any type can be made RPC compatible as long as it has either a serialization member function implemented or a global function (and same for deserialization)
a lot less painful to use from C++ than protobuf 😅
Only annoying things is missing argument names in RPC declarations
graceful sequoia
nice
broken sigil
gonna try to implement that tomorrow
trim solstice
Why is it "unreal source" now?
pearl elk
Why is it "unreal source" now?
We are preparing for Unreals return
regal pecan
In a few months it'll be Fortnite Source.
pearl elk
When Valve buys Epic
timber viper
Nothing is like closing your eyes as for a sec and falling into a 3 hours nap by mistake
Oh wait it was only 1 hour
I was talking to rezonant and saw BM typing.. Then lost connection xD
unborn lotus
Another dozen Maya crashes or something idk
Might as well use blender
woven wing
After messing with Maya for a week
And returning to Blender and turning on "Industry Compatible" controls
Blender feels mostly nicer
unborn lotus
Its pretty useable, just need some uv plugins
woven wing
Extruding on a plane or axis and needing a hotkey for that is annoying, but it's 'okay'
rare mauve
Nothing is like closing your eyes as for a sec and falling into a 3 hours nap by...
average everyday experience as a dad putting kids to sleep
lunar patrol
And returning to Blender and turning on "Industry Compatible" controls
I use a plugin that makes blender have the same controls as ue bc I can’t be bothered to remember two control schemes lmao
timber viper
average everyday experience as a dad putting kids to sleep
thanks for constantly reminding me I shouldnt be a dad
woven wing
Industry compatible is basically the same, but with alt instead of right click
rare mauve
you are welceom
unborn lotus
thanks for constantly reminding me I shouldnt be a dad
Yeah but you will have no problems going to sleep at night ever
timber viper
i wouldnt bet on that
pearl elk
unless one of your kids dont come home
timber viper
I'll just have one or two puppies
with a cute little cat that cuddles a lot
and not a damn kid
i cant even take care of myself
pearl elk
but cats can disappear
unborn lotus
Doesnt blender have the shift + extrude with auto topo? I use it all the time in 3ds
timber viper
dw i'll pamper it endlessly and pet it aggressivelly enough to prevent that
my sister's current cats choose violence over affection and fight me
and they win
mfers
timber viper
i'll specifically take the one who is into cuddles from shelter
i'll tell them this is my only condition
gimme anything
pearl elk
you could have the nicest littler fluffer... then that day comes when it brings back a murder victim
look at me, arnt I cute, I murdered this for you
timber viper
still cute
cats saved from shelter tend to be more grateful i think
they dont born into wealth and affection
they come from a harsh life
pearl elk
cats of tiktok
timber viper
they may dislike affection and do their hustle
i mean maybe thats fine
if I have a dog
i can cuddle with it instead
meanwhile cat can continue being asshole
celest musk
yea i think dogs are more affectionate
pearl elk
dog can nom on the cat
celest musk
reminds me of our retriever a decade ago... that 35kg dog was afraid of the cat and sat on a chair while the cat roamed around the chair...
one day the cat hit my brother and the retriever got over it and chased it to nowhere xD
i think cats need to grow up with the dog to learn how to deal with dog behavior...
timber viper
one day the cat hit my brother and the retriever got over it and chased it to no...
cat chased the retriever?
celest musk
no, the other way around
timber viper
lol so retriever finally found enough bravery
celest musk
apparently the dog overcame his fear of the cat in that moment
lofty lark
you could have the nicest littler fluffer... then that day comes when it brings ...
My family cat did that
#petting-zoo message
Put it in one of our slippers and waited for someone to come by
timber viper
lol
they do that to protect the hunt since they trust u
whats worse is when they bring the mouse alive
lofty lark
they do that to protect the hunt since they trust u
He ran away after I moved out 
timber viper
ouch 
lofty lark
We had him for years, adopted him as a little wittle kitten
He went outside a lot and would sometimes go away for a couple days then come back.
timber viper
so he was an outside cat inside
lofty lark
About a month after I moved out my mom called me worried, telling me boots hasn't been home for almost a week. I told her don't worry, he does this all the time
Then another week went. Eventually a month. And we realized he probably wasn't coming back ;-;
lofty lark
so he was an outside cat inside
He was an inside cat 100%. Until my mom had a lil too much to drink, put a leash on him, and took him for a walk xD
timber viper
lofty lark
Then from that day on, he liked going outside for a while every couple days
lofty lark
Yeah
timber viper
i hope he's fine and will return though
lofty lark
It's been 3+ years
timber viper
:\
lofty lark
He's gone gone
My mom's house is out in the woods so either a) he's living his best life with some cute cat wife, b) wandered into some other family's property and was taken in or c) || most likely killed by a coyote/fox/bear/etc. ||
My mom has his brother and sister too. They don't go outside for anywhere as long as boots did. Thankfully.
timber viper
Lets hope for a or b
lofty lark
Yea. I think he livin it up
He probably got a family and shit.
I did not mean to dampen the mood of lounge 😅
Idek why I kept telling that story but alas, the tale of boots has been shared.
lofty lark
Lets hope for a or b
You still playing code vein?
timber viper
You still playing code vein?
No
Im angry
I dont want to keep returning back to city ruins
Its a bad game design
It didnt tell me where should I go next in a level where I 100% finished already
Kept roaming around like an idiot for a hour and couldnt find the next mission area
lofty lark
That's how like, all soulslikes are >.>
timber viper
They have better level design
pearl elk
Thats how like, all RPGs are 😛
timber viper
It makes sense when you get lost
It sends me to a place where I completely finished
I know all doors and exits
None of them lead me to snow area
pearl elk
you need to unlock the ancient tome which tells you the most efficient way to complete quests
lofty lark
Oooooo you're at that part
lofty lark
None of them lead me to snow area
I vaguely remember that
pearl elk
Ridge of Frozen Souls
lofty lark
Has Calamari played code vein too?
timber viper
you need to unlock the ancient tome which tells you the most efficient way to co...
Where is this damn tome
pearl elk
you need to teleport to the inner tower
timber viper
From where
pearl elk
no idea Ive never played it
lofty lark
XD
lofty lark
Winged gate sounds familiar tbh
timber viper
I lost too much motivation to play after roaming around and cant find I was thinking of removing it to download ff14*
I might give a final chance tomorrow
pearl elk
the curse of the open world, I stopped playing Starfield and got into the CP2077 DLC instead 😛
lofty lark
I might give a final chance tomorrow
I believe in you 
I'd offer to guide you, but I don't have it downloaded on PC, nor is it fresh in my mind 
timber viper
Arigatou nevertheless
pearl elk
Which reminds me, I still gotta beat God of War and Death Stranding sigh
timber viper
Oof beating death stranding
I arrived to ship
Then stopped
Game told me I should better finish quests first, more than twice. I figured if I dont ending of the game will be rough
But had no energy to finish all of them either
Though that boss fight was awesome
pearl elk
Yeah the story is pretty intriguing but its a slog between those parts. I could rush it I suppose but wheres the fun in that
pearl elk
Ive played it on both, much of a muchness...
Weapons are definitely easier to use on PC
regal pecan
Game told me I should better finish quests first, more than twice. I figured if ...
It tells you they'll be abandoned, not that you have to finish them. And you don't. I don't think there's a single thing in that area that actually needs finishing by the time you're able to leave, but ||it doesn't get any more fun unless you're desperate to shoot something||.
pearl elk
I enjoyed the hiking, sometimes I'll pick a spot and just walk to see if I can get there
pale scarab
Anyone wonder and amazed that Godot surpassed fking CRYENGINE?
Really something to be proud of. Grats godot
queen isle
I heard documentation of cryengine isn't great, and it's hard to use.
pale scarab
Oh ... hmm. I thought they were the top 3 game engine behind unreal and unity.
regal pecan
On technical merit. For popularity/usability, I think not so much.
And then there's that lumberyard issue.
pearl elk
hmm if we are ranking top 3 technical merit Unity aint on my list 😛
timber viper
Anyone wonder and amazed that Godot surpassed fking CRYENGINE?
not with the world slowest scripting language and terrible bindings
proud jay
all top 3 spots are taken by XII
timber viper
just because GDScript is so slow I cant market bp2cpp as Blueprint is slowest language ever written
and this annoy me
regal pecan
gds2bp when?
timber viper
its actually fairly easy
assuming it has no weird things like lambdas etc
if its something like a pythonic language with no quirks, just operators, variables, functions etc
it would take me 2 weeks or so to do that
timber viper
Lol
But I would ruin the ✨simplicity ✨
And reduz would be sad
then would give a speech on twitter about why current setup makes sense and why we misunderstand his implementations
pearl elk
Why would they accept the PRs when theres a better version coming next month 😅
queen isle
On technical merit. For popularity/usability, I think not so much.
And then ther...
Open 3d egine (O3DE) is amazon's lumberyard they opensourced and I don't really see anyone using it. Guess it must be really unpopular
median wraith
Open 3d egine (O3DE) is amazon's lumberyard they opensourced and I don't really...
Marketing as always, whatever the good a tool is, you need marketing
Amazon paid for the whole Cryengine once Crytek became almost to the bankrupt, and that covered years of support and source
Lumberyard basically was Cryengine 4 then updated with the exact things Crytek did for Cryengine V
proud jay
everything is cryengine
median wraith
and then they released all of this under open source
in part because Crytek ended the updated so often also
worldly sapphire
everything is cryengine
Every engine for me is cry
median wraith
Urho3D is abandoned damm
that used to be a decent base engine
damm my name was there, seems like one of the devs shutdown it all and kicked the people wtf
median wraith
I'm old
Well this is interesting, seems like COD is using realtime light (or looks like it), as result the new COD looks worse than the new CS2, that's something I never expected to say
median wraith
yeah
proud jay
this is an MW2 map no?
median wraith
proud jay
did they just rework it?
median wraith
Yeah those are the MW2 maps
proud jay
how does it look worse than in mw2
median wraith
they remade all the MW2 maps it seems
proud jay
well it looks like shit
median wraith
in their screenshots looks better than the actual video they made
Invasion looks better so
idk what happened in the illumination of the rest
unborn lotus
well it looks like shit
I worked on assets on one of these remakes 😥
proud jay
those cars look like ass though
unborn lotus
yeah that's right we didn't do the cars
median wraith
at this point idk how they use this editor vista
Imagine using that with nanite ha
architectural mode should be a thing individually from the models
median wraith
I mean both came from the same father
worldly sapphire
Yeah, I was about to say
median wraith
but Source 2 made the way correctly