lounge

[stiff crystal]

has been since Unity 5

[hazy oar]

The last good version of Unity

[stiff crystal]

Unity 5 was completely shadowed by UE4 release

[hazy oar]

Let’s face it… unreal is just sweet

[stiff crystal]

so many jumped ship to ue4 right before Unity 5 got out

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_WIhy4jbr8
why was this recommended to me after the lawn mower video

[stiff crystal]

we were stuck on unity 4 and seriously limited feats on free tier

[celest musk]

someone watched that before and clicked the lawnmower link? since it totally fits the discussion here...

[stiff crystal]

Unreal isn't some magic pill

it's horribly slow to iterate with

if you claim otherwise you haven't used other engines much

[hazy oar]

?

I have and what you said makes no sense

[stiff crystal]

if it works for you and you never wait for unreal to do things, all power to you

you probably only use blueprints I assume

[hazy oar]

All I can think of is shading compilation

[deep glen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hulu-hulu-original-moone-boy-l0HlBO7eyXzSZkJri

uw5 on a big project + plastic control

[hazy oar]

And yeah C++

[stiff crystal]

lol

[hazy oar]

I don’t like C++

Like at all

[stiff crystal]

c++ itself is fine

iteration speed with it and unreal isn't

even live++ is horrible and you keep up restarting whole editor all the time

[hazy oar]

Yup

True

Verse can’t come soon enough

[stiff crystal]

verse is going to have a lot of friction from people who are used to more traditional languages

and it's probably too complex for noncoders

so I dunno who's the target audience

[hazy oar]

Well epic said they’re not interested in adding C#

For some reason

[stiff crystal]

that they've said from early ue4 days

it's crystal clear it's never going to happen

[hazy oar]

C# would be so nice

[timber viper]

@dusky kettle hi for no reason

[dusky kettle]

hey

[stiff crystal]

we had this discussion earlier 😄

also.. blueprints and iteration speeds

hope you are not doing physics heavy game with a lot of math

[dusky kettle]

c# is in the works

I talked to my boss today, he said there is a big chance we might use it in the pipeline. So I get to work on it fulltime

[timber viper]

bp2cpp and olsson's c# integration will make this year awesome for UE development

[hazy oar]

Wait hold up

Since when C# is planned

[dusky kettle]

i planned it

[timber viper]

i like my codebase clean

[celest musk]

just use python api (and get rekt)

[hazy oar]

Can you tell us more

[empty dune]

Just use FORTRAN amirite?

[dusky kettle]

I'm making a c# integration to unreal engine, where you can make classes which BP inherit from. So it'd be like C++ > C# > BP

just like how the Angelscript intergation works

[proud jay]

so is Hollow knight silksong cancelled with unity drama

[hazy oar]

shrug

[proud jay]

you know there's a slash command for that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hazy oar]

How far is it in development

[dusky kettle]

Very far

[hazy oar]

Maybe I didn’t want to use it

[woven wing]

What does this operator do

[proud jay]

cocaine

[hazy oar]

What’s supported by it?

[woven wing]

"This is a coked up function"

[dusky kettle]

Currently converting this project (https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/cropout-casual-rts-game-sample-project) to C# find all the things to add/fix 😛

[dusky kettle]

What do you mean?

[empty dune]

its an object oriented function. the object is drugs

[hazy oar]

Like what functionality

[woven wing]

Creates a new class that's very productive but may crash

[dusky kettle]

You can do whatever BP can but in C# and much more because I use .NET 7

[hazy oar]

Im sold

[dusky kettle]

gonna up to 8 when it's out of preview

or whatever they call it

[slim atlas]

What was that new unreal system called again

one file per map

one actor per file

one

[timber viper]

one file per actor

[slim atlas]

one

[proud jay]

ofpa

[slim atlas]

?

i need to deactivate this

where can i do this

i cant find it

its shit

[hazy oar]

Is there… an ETA?

[stiff crystal]

how is it shit?

[timber viper]

bp2cpp is also ready to start Q&A via Lyra but I feel so burntout lately

[slim atlas]

please where can i shut it

[dusky kettle]

Ehm, no idea. Hopefully within a month, but I work currently on it in my sparetime. So it doesn't go as fast as I want

[hazy oar]

This is incredible. Please keep us posted

[proud jay]

Q&A or QA?

very different

[timber viper]

quality assurance

whatever it is

[proud jay]

QA

Q&A is question and answer

[woven wing]

Quality And Assurance (that it's quality)

[timber viper]

QAA

I was found a magic way to optimize bp2cpp by %40 by transforming AST with a weird algo but yesterday I realized there was an extremely simple way of doing that without diving into graph theory

I'm so mad

[fleet tangle]

What issues are you having with it?

[woven wing]

Qaaq (quality and assurance quality) pronounced "quack" it's a JS framework that does idk, anything

[dusky kettle]

using UnrealSharp.Attributes;
using UnrealSharp.Engine;

namespace ManagedCLRProject;

[UClass]
public class GenericResource : Actor
{
    public GenericResource(IntPtr NativeObject) : base(NativeObject)
    {
        Resource.SetIsReplicated(true);
    }

    protected override void ReceiveBeginPlay()
    {
        bool MyBoolFromCDO = GetDefault<GenericResource>().MyBool;
        ActorComponent ActorComponent = NewObject<ActorComponent>();
        base.ReceiveBeginPlay();
    }

    [DefaultComponent(RootComponent = true)] 
    public StaticMeshComponent Resource { get; set; }
    
    [DefaultComponent] 
    public InventoryComponent InventoryComponent { get; set; }

    [UProperty(PropertyFlags.BlueprintReadOnly)]
    public TArray<int> MyArray { get; set; }
    
    [UProperty(PropertyFlags.BlueprintReadOnly)]
    public bool MyBool { get; set; }
}```

Some random syntax shit from one of my test classes

[slim atlas]

i dont need it

[timber viper]

Would there be any way to eliminate PropertyFlags and use UProperty() only?

[fleet tangle]

So? I don't need certain actor classes in the engine, but I don't go out of my way to remove them.

[slim atlas]

i want to get rid of these

no

well this is a new 5.3 project

[fleet tangle]

Any way to shorter this bit: PropertyFlags.BlueprintReadOnly ?

[slim atlas]

i will not use WP

is that connected?

[timber viper]

And I think Unreal requires U/A prefixes to function behind the scenes, is lack of them a front-end thingy or do you plan to not use them at all?

[hazy oar]

Syntax looks… weird..?

[dusky kettle]

Tell me what you think is weird

[slim atlas]

there is no persistent level

god darn

what can i do

[hazy oar]

Can’t really highlight as I’m on mobile atm

[slim atlas]

Do you use WP?

[dusky kettle]

no, you can skip it

[dusky kettle]

Probably 😄 Just haven't looked into it, yet.

[slim atlas]

it does influence saving and loading right?

[fleet tangle]

Like we have properties with 6-7 specifiers plus meta ones... it'll get messy 😛

[timber viper]

[UProperty(BlueprintReadOnly, EditAnywhere), Meta(Aasd)]

[slim atlas]

Can i ask you a very specific question Lau

[fleet tangle]

Can just make the name shorter, though.

For sanity.

[slim atlas]

So in skyrim, there are NPCs that can travel through doors. If these locations are 2 seperate maps, how would you do that?

[median wraith]

You store that data on an alike to the game instance

[dusky kettle]

Wanna stick with unreal names though

[fleet tangle]

I meant the type name or enum name whatever.

PFlags ?

PF!

[slim atlas]

i better scratch that

thank you guys

[bronze axle]

Hi loungers.

[slim atlas]

mr pfist

[bronze axle]

Who is lounging the most today?

[slim atlas]

i better take my shenenigens somewhere else

cya ❤️

[bronze axle]

But this is the only appropriate place for shenanigans.

[lofty lark]

I've literally got my feet propped up on my desk, so im lounging pretty good rn

[bronze axle]

Excellent.

Sounds relaxing.

[timber viper]

are you here to punish the one for procrastinating too much

[bronze axle]

No. This is the lounge. I fully expect people are here to procrastinate.

[slim atlas]

sorry recently my questions have become very deep and spicy... so i would only take away your chat here.

[bronze axle]

I am too busy preparing the new website to punish procrastinators right now.

I came here to slack for a bit.

I am exhausted. Didn't sleep well last night.

[lofty lark]

The only non relaxing bit is I'm out of tea. Which means I need to get up to make another cup

[bronze axle]

I just ran out of tea, too...

Ugh.

[fleet tangle]

I haven't had a cup of tea in ages.

[bronze axle]

I drink tea every day.

[timber viper]

I need coffee now because you reminded me of caffeine

[proud jay]

does the new website contain the new chapter for unreal slackers?

I literally haven't slept since you said that in anticipation

(that might be a lie)

damn, my future house seems so tiny when looking at it from arial view

[fleet tangle]

Carport!

[proud jay]

of course

mowing the lawn is gonna take so long

the land next to it is also ours, which will remain garden

[woven wing]

Replace lawn with forest

[proud jay]

just doing the front part after a few month of wildernis was already a challenge

see ^

the "public investigation" started today

hope no neighbours complain

[fleet tangle]

JSYK, a friend of a friend bought a newly build house on area that used to be thick grassland. Every time they cleared the 10-20 spiders off the sliding glass doors to their garden, they reappeared within about half an hour.

I suggest keeping the grass very short and using a lot of insecticide.

[proud jay]

it's not that thick, it's just there's no real regular maintenance atm

once I live there of course I'll try to keep it clean

also plant 5 billion trees

don't ever want to see my neighbour

[unborn lotus]

Then we'll have ecological collapse, fuck lawns, let it be wild and it will be teeming with life

[fleet tangle]

Life can live elsewhere.

If it has a problem with that, it can fight me.

[proud jay]

actually the last third part of my current lawn I let grow wild

except like one path to get to my compost bin

[broken sigil]

Turns out paperwork is a massive pain in the ass when building a house, been like more than a year and still waiting for all the paperwork before we could start building anything

[proud jay]

yeah

administration sucks

[empty dune]

smol

[proud jay]

but it's not though

the ground floor is 160m2

this is what the front will look like

thanks

[empty dune]

really? so things dont suddenly decide to take a trip to the 9 hells anymore?

damn

i wasnt planning on an open world game (well except for the underwater one that i canned) but this is good to know

[lofty lark]

What is this part? A patio of some kind?

[empty dune]

looks like a garage?

tool shed?

[proud jay]

lol no

[lofty lark]

It looks a garage behind the arch but you have a carport in the other picture away from the house

[fleet tangle]

Carport?

[proud jay]

it's part of the living room

and behind it is the kitchen

that's a window

[empty dune]

why does the living room have a huge door

oh

why does the living room have a huge window

[lofty lark]

oh lol. That's a bigass window

[proud jay]

for light

[empty dune]

home invasions say hi

[lofty lark]

That's gonna be so nice tho

[empty dune]

the home invasion?????

[lofty lark]

nonono hte light lol

[proud jay]

I don't live in the ghetto

and glass is pretty strong

[empty dune]

okay then

[regal pecan]

Anyone breaking through the biggest window they can find is probably a drunk driver.

[proud jay]

this would be that from the left side

[empty dune]

life finds a way. unless that way is into your living room. in that case life finds the business end of a flammenwerfer

[empty dune]

why does this remind me of a warhammer 40k titan?

[proud jay]

idk

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-knight-warhhammer40k-cannon-imperial-knights-imperium-gif-17876382

[proud jay]

here's some older version 3d

[lofty lark]

So Red is part of the living room, blue is kitchen? And is that a sliding glass door for the blue too?

[proud jay]

if that makes it make more sense

[proud jay]

that is a sliding door yes

[fleet tangle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/74/ConvertedImperatorMini.jpg

[proud jay]

green is office space

[empty dune]

man the amount of big ass windows make me nervous and i dont even live in that house

[proud jay]

why lol

why are you afraid of windows

[fleet tangle]

He's an adamant linux user?

[proud jay]

makes sense

[empty dune]

im fine with windows if a human cant gain access into the house through it

[fleet tangle]

So you like portholes

[empty dune]

yes

[proud jay]

what a sad life you must live

windows are the best

so much light

such open space

[lofty lark]

Nice looking house. From the mock ups at least. You're gonna get so much natural light

[proud jay]

this is the ground floor plan to make sence of the windows

[empty dune]

i mean here we just have decorated steel gratings over our windows. makes it a nice extended balcony, gives a lot of light and only allows annoying mosquitoes through

[lofty lark]

I have 90inch wide window in my living room behind my desk. It's great roughly 2.3m for metric folk

[proud jay]

I would hate to live there lol

sounds like you're in constant fear

if you can't even trust a window

[empty dune]

not constant lol but home security is to be taken seriously here

[proud jay]

breaking a window makes quite some noisethough

[lofty lark]

Noise don't help if they do it when you arent home :p

[empty dune]

ive heard its a cultural shock for many people when the start living in the EU countries and find out people keep emergency door keys outside the house

[proud jay]

neigbours might hear it though

[empty dune]

yeah but there's usually so much noise going on anyway, its not always reliable. plus police response times here are not the best

[lofty lark]

I keep the spare key to my apartment outside :p and I'm in the US

[proud jay]

yeah, I like living here lol

very quiet neighbourhood there as well

gonna live between rich people though

[regal pecan]

Well obviously. Barely even need doors if they're not bulletproof. 😄

[proud jay]

I need to start practicing to pretend

so I can fit in

[lofty lark]

Do you have an eta on when y'all will be able to move in?

[proud jay]

not really

plans have just been approved by the city

now is 30 days of public inquiry or whatever it's called

then that needs to be considered and approved by city council

which can take up to 75 dayss

and we still have to find a contractor anyway

[regal pecan]

Hopefully nobody complains about too many windows.

[proud jay]

but hopefully this year still

maybe early next year

[fleet tangle]

Where is here?

[empty dune]

the land of tech support

india

[fleet tangle]

Ah

[proud jay]

india seems scary

[slim atlas]

i did it

[proud jay]

especially for women alone

[empty dune]

yep, its.........fucked

its a lot better in certains parts of the country

and equally worse in other parts

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[proud jay]

sad there's an update for bg3 waiting

now I have to wait

[empty dune]

everyone here knows what those "worse" parts are

[proud jay]

nvm it's smol update, it's already done lol

[proud jay]

is it your house

[empty dune]

if you can avoid those places, its in your interest to do so lol

[empty dune]

only for spiders

[slim atlas]

laura i did it

i coded my save and load system :3

[empty dune]

things are getting better in the better parts. and for some strange reason (probably to keep thanos appeased), its getting worse in the worse parts

[slim atlas]

i can now travel through maps back and forth

i can also quickload

and the changes apply wonderfully

i did that all TODAY

in 10 hours

[empty dune]

and your problem was ofpa? o_O

[slim atlas]

no

ofpa is just unclean to me

as i have no experience with it

[empty dune]

thats called discrimination >:{

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-shower-water-gif-19259441

deal with it

[empty dune]

denied

man the unity discord is still

several people are typing......

after almost 20 hours

[proud jay]

if you're afraid of the unknown, you'll never learn anything

[fleet tangle]

Poor cat lol.

Love the shower cap.

Fucking big cat, though.

[empty dune]

i forgot about your profile flashbang again. this is not fun

[slim atlas]

Predator Repellent profile colors :3

It works

[celest musk]

🍿

[empty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[lofty lark]

is bookdragon like an evolved version of bookworm

[proud jay]

I feel lawyers making money

[empty dune]

probably a pun on wyrm

[slim atlas]

it means i hoard books like treasure

they are my babies

and if you hurt them

you get burned

[lofty lark]

like the library of alexandria

[empty dune]

so its not a play on the word bookwyrm? lame

[lofty lark]

i think i butchered that spelling tho

[empty dune]

oh, speaking of books

EXCITEEEE

[lofty lark]

that's actually ngl

[empty dune]

audible is a start to a fair compensation for all of mankind for the crimes jeff bezos committed against it

[proud jay]

what crime?

[empty dune]

raindust is a reference to cloud seeding lol, i like stupid jokes like these

[empty dune]

ask the kids working in the factories in china

[proud jay]

that's not just bezos though

[empty dune]

or you know, the amazon workers

[proud jay]

also dno what audible has to do with that

[empty dune]

jeff bezos owns audible and audible subscription gives you a free book of your choice, every month

[lofty lark]

is it really free tho if you have to pay for audible

[empty dune]

*heavily discounted

there

[proud jay]

interesting that you pay for a service and are so happy when you get something in return

[empty dune]

its not so much the service itself but the cost of it in relation to what id have to normally shell out for a book. i pay about 1.5 dollars a month for audible, i dont think i can even buy blank notebooks at that price anymore

audio book, same thing

[proud jay]

here it's like 9,95 lol

per month

[empty dune]

anyway, i have problems reading text

[proud jay]

you're literally reading text in this chat

[empty dune]

so for a long time i couldnt read books, even impacted my academic career

[empty dune]

no, short 1-2 lines are fine. i can even accept a word salad. but a couple paragraphs is where it becomes borderline impossible for me

[proud jay]

how

just scrolling text

[woven wing]

That's already a thing

[empty dune]

its like a disability, idk how to explain. i guess kinda like dyslexia but not as bad

my reading speed now is like, 20 pages a day, MAX. and thats if i put effort into it

reading books is a luxury i can no longer enjoy

[empty dune]

thus, audiobooks

[celest musk]

i think i can relate

too much letters within the focus area

[empty dune]

it used to be two books a month but then ✨ capitalism✨ happened

[empty dune]

yes EXACTLY

if there's plenty of space

its fine

[woven wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky8DP55YEO0

This is what I was thinking of

[proud jay]

you can read a book at 20 pages a day though

depending on how long that takes

[empty dune]

8 hours a day, full concentration

yeah, its that bad

like i said, it severely impacted my masters degrees

[worldly sapphire]

let them enjoy their literature how they want it

[empty dune]

i like real books but its virtually impossible for me to do that now lol. so, audiobooks XD

[worldly sapphire]

One thing I wondered about audiobooks, particularly WH40K ones, are they literally read? Or are they like radio dramas with each character having a different voice (actor)

[empty dune]

both

some books are single narrator

[worldly sapphire]

r/40klore is always raving about them

[empty dune]

some are audio dramas

[empty dune]

they are really good

wait ill send an extract

its so fucking good ive managed to convert even non scifi loving friends who never heard of wh40k with just that extract

its about 8 min long

[worldly sapphire]

Getting friends hooked with an extract? Sounds like a drug

[empty dune]

wait till you hear it

[worldly sapphire]

You sound like my best mate trying to get me to listen to his mixtape back in high school

[empty dune]

Lol

[worldly sapphire]

Where's this from?

[empty dune]

echoes of eternity

[empty dune]

this

[proud jay]

when do you listen to them though

[empty dune]

while working

[worldly sapphire]

Thanks, I haven't started reading the Horus Heresy yet

[proud jay]

I can't listen to words when working

music with lyrics is alriady pushing it

[empty dune]

listen to that extract if you have time, you can thank me later lol

[worldly sapphire]

damn didn't know they put so much production into that

[empty dune]

HAHA TOLD YA

[worldly sapphire]

That was Sanguinius?

[empty dune]

yep

my favourite are the ultramarines but goddamn that speech almost made me want to switch

[worldly sapphire]

I have a soft spot for the Imperial Fists but I know Dorn wouldn't make a speech like that

No, I might give it a shot

[empty dune]

hehehehe, got another one

[worldly sapphire]

Is there a way to distinguish these polished ones?

[empty dune]

sadly, no

its wildly inconsistent

[worldly sapphire]

Just like the books themselbes

[empty dune]

oh

uh

no idea, i havent read that many

[worldly sapphire]

I figure if it has that narrator or is one of their flagships

[empty dune]

listened, more like

[worldly sapphire]

OH I've read plenty of WH40K books, especially when they pop up on Humble Bundle

There are some good ones, and there are some really pulpish ones

but Dan Abnett's always a winner

[empty dune]

most of my warhammer knowledge comes from games, wikis and youtube lol

[empty dune]

oh yeah, Know no fear is just chefs kiss

[woven wing]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/15bwowe/were_coming_out_of_the_13th_black_crusade_with/

[empty dune]

LISTEN

[empty dune]

@woven wing

[woven wing]

I did

It reminded me of this lol

[empty dune]

yussss

[celest musk]

did you expect something thats not messed up when typing it?

no matter where

[empty dune]

in case youre wondering where that music is from....here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzOiZnzltE

[woven wing]

Too bad that game was a massive dissapointment

[empty dune]

yeah, apparently the gunplay and melee were out of this world

but the game itself sucked

[proud jay]

I wonder if there is a noticeable increase in people joining this server since unity pricing

[turbid spindle]

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[empty dune]

not that many

[proud jay]

but idk how many there were yesterday

[empty dune]

around 97k

[celest musk]

there's pretty much no one with a green leaf talking

[proud jay]

wait, why is the only pinned message in lounge actually useful for #cpp

[celest musk]

because no one switches engines mid project, specially if nothing is clarified yet

i would rather expect a spike in 1-2 weeks if unity keeps its line

[proud jay]

what was it

[proud jay]

plenty of devs already claiming they will port their game if this actually goes through

[celest musk]

maybe he isn't anymore?

[proud jay]

📠 though

[proud jay]

https://imgur.com/COlyhIy

[celest musk]

yea, you never eat as hot as you cook

theres a lot of stuff said right now

soon 90% of those people will realize that they will never have 200k installs 😄

[proud jay]

sus

[celest musk]

what is a game pitch?

[proud jay]

you pitch your game to them

they're publishers

of some of the most popular indie games

[woven wing]

It's the risk that seems more offputting more than anything

"Maybe someone won't break the system and cost me thousands"

Of course

[proud jay]

they seem to so far

[empty dune]

stock is going great so of course

[woven wing]

They'll make millions running every Unity Mobile game out of business

[proud jay]

are we looking at the same stock?

[empty dune]

-5%

[proud jay]

that's great in your opinion?

[empty dune]

thats normal day to day deviation

[woven wing]

Most mobile games are in Unity

[proud jay]

normally going up is the direction you want

[empty dune]

doesnt happen, there's a range for each stock in which any drop/rise is normal deviation

[proud jay]

it's noticeable

[empty dune]

unity is within that range so far

[proud jay]

I'm not saying it's catastrophic

but definitely not a positive reaction

[regal pecan]

Look at the 1 month view

[empty dune]

yeah, more like lukewarm

[proud jay]

well I could just say look at the 5 year view in response

wait till the shareholders discover that you actually need developers to make those games that make money

[empty dune]

if someone says look for a 5 year plan as long term planning, do you then say "im gonna plan for the next 10,000 years"?

[regal pecan]

Harder to see the day to day with the 5 year view

They had as nearly as big of a drop on the 7th

[empty dune]

and had a 20% rise yesterday

[proud jay]

as I said, I'm not saying it's bad

but I wouldn't say "stock is doing great"

[final anchor]

Should I buy unity stocks

[empty dune]

until it drops below yesterday's 20% rise, it IS doing great idk what else to tell you

[proud jay]

where do you see this 20% raise?

[celest musk]

yea, the question is when

[empty dune]

yesterday closing vs opening, there was a net 20% rise

[celest musk]

because it will go up again at some point, and i'm kinda convinced they pull another PR stunt in a few months

[proud jay]

it went from 37.44 on open to 39.74 on close

that's not 20%

[celest musk]

yes

and for 2k/year you can get unity pro which raises the bar to $1M

[empty dune]

ah right, must have misread a number

[regal pecan]

The $200k is last 12 months, the installs is lifetime (unless they changed it)

[woven wing]

Hearthstone, Pubg Mobile, Subway Surfers, Pokemon Go, Genshin, Clash of Clans, Raid Shadow Legends, Free Fire, CoD Mobile, Among Us. Basically every mobile game you can think of uses Unity, and they're getting like billions of downloads, and that's who this is really targeting the most

[celest musk]

crying about the actual price is stupid imho. But how they intend to do the math behind it is concerning

[proud jay]

the wild they is they just change terms for already existing games

[lofty lark]

the installs are lifetime installs. the revenue is last 12 months

[broken sigil]

It's still horrible

[celest musk]

and the TOS which had a clause to stick to the old TOS

so they removed that silently 😄

[bronze axle]

Yes. Not monumental, but definitely noticeable.

[celest musk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/16hnibp/unity_silently_removed_their_github_repo_to_track/

there's a lot of fishy things coming together right now

[woven wing]

What happened on Sep 6th?

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/marketmove-mm-move-cool-trend-gif-25255237

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/mineberry-staff-explaining-adi-kan-gif-22342744

[regal pecan]

The CEO and director sold stock

[proud jay]

I didn't know slackers had stock

[dim ruin]

man, this discord is gonna get a whoooole lot busier... lol the hive over at the unity discord is fuckin pissed

[woven wing]

I think buying in is smart

[empty dune]

dieter showed his face in #ue5-general

[celest musk]

dw, unity got all their phone numbers 😄

[proud jay]

no

lol good comment

[regal pecan]

Oh they meant for slacker pop? That graph looks like the movement happened on the 5th.

[proud jay]

even though it's now owned by the .net foundation

[woven wing]

Yall want my crazy theory

[proud jay]

of course

[celest musk]

that was 5d to give some context i guess

[dim ruin]

bottoming out the stock price to force a sale to MS?

[woven wing]

They're going to have massive earnings Q1, Q2 next year from massively increased mobile revenue, right before Microsoft buys them

[dim ruin]

same page club

[empty dune]

ah, just what we needed, more corporate solidifications

[regal pecan]

Unity's stock price was much lower in may

[dim ruin]

its only wednesday

lol

[rancid smelt]

Love how many people are joining this Server 😆

[celest musk]

this is so accurate

[empty dune]

#ue5-general will be very interesting for the next few months

[celest musk]

they will be pleased to learn that they have to restart the editor for every recompile

and therefor consider their source changes twice 😄

[still geyser]

The real big brain idea is to just charge every player 20 cents every time they install the game

[worldly sapphire]

so many questions about gamemode incoming

[celest musk]

you wont believe how quick someone would write an patch for that

[empty dune]

oh, the amount of times ill have to say "Please use Enhanced Input" is gonna be uhmayzing XD

there

[worldly sapphire]

as someone who's still guilty of just plopping down a pawn and have it auto-posses player0, I'll honestly be keeping a close eye lol

when testing

[bronze axle]

When I release my horror game, I should charge players $0.20 per scare.

[woven wing]

But then you wouldn't make any money

[bronze axle]

Ouch.

Gutted.

[empty dune]

OOOOF

[woven wing]

Sorry, I had to xD

[bronze axle]

Hahah no worries, all in good fun.

[proud jay]

how much is it

[empty dune]

thats called a discount

[worldly sapphire]

How do I do the equivalent of if Input.GetKeyDown() in UE?

[bronze axle]

Tim Sweeney is going to get ideas.

[proud jay]

I hope that's cents

[bronze axle]

He's watching.

[proud jay]

nah, he's too busy making verse

[bronze axle]

But this is how they can increase adoption of Lumen: charge $0.20 every time you build static lighting.

[proud jay]

20 cents per ray that is traced

[bronze axle]

Oh god.

[empty dune]

0.2$ everytime you dont use nanite

[bronze axle]

$0.20 per non-nanite asset per shipped title.

[celest musk]

they gonna charge you on scene complexity (don't send that to the unity ceo, he may like that idea)

[woven wing]

I'm safe!

[empty dune]

0.2$ everytime youve cried about tesselation, online

[bronze axle]

I use Lumen in my horror game but not Nanite. I'm fucked.

[empty dune]

@sand oxide will be bankrupt

[celest musk]

why not nanite but lumen?

i feel like nanite should be used whenever possible?!

[bronze axle]

Because Nanite doesn't run on Steam Deck.

[empty dune]

no translucent mats with nanite 😭

[celest musk]

because of proton?

[bronze axle]

Yeah. Requires special DX12 calls that Proton doesn't support yet.

[celest musk]

but thats going to change

[bronze axle]

I hope so.

[celest musk]

afaik it's already working in the latest dev branches

[bronze axle]

But until then, I'd rather support Steam Deck than use Nanite.

[celest musk]

the question is, will it be ready when you release...

[bronze axle]

Well my game is coming out in like a month, so no. lol

[celest musk]

i see. fair point

and native linux support isnt an option?

ah nvm, lumen on vulkan still isn't there yet in UE...

[woven wing]

My issue with Linux is entirely nvidia related

[celest musk]

lumen, yea

[still geyser]

I love this new meme format. $0.20 for everything

[celest musk]

and someone posted a screenshot #linux message few days ago, it also looks off

[proud jay]

can we charge 20 cent per message in slacker channel

I'm ruined

[still geyser]

This must be the Canary in the coal mine for the next great depression

[woven wing]

They should do like old phone plans and give free installs on nights and weekends

[empty dune]

its wild that the buzz of the week is unity unaliving itself and not roblox trying to compete with tinder

future history students are gonna hate this decade

[still geyser]

Or aliens

[worldly sapphire]

sorry what to the second

[empty dune]

roblox is now a dating app

im not joking

[celest musk]

look at the messed up reflection!?

[empty dune]

identity verification mandatory, minimum age 17

[celest musk]

idk if you are trolling or if you really like that grainy lighting

or is that 20% screen percentage?

that disco effect in the video wasn't intended?

how should we know this?

i thought you just had fun with moving lights and colors

tasting the rainbow

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-pride-gif-26074057

[queen isle]

hope this isn't against the rules.
But unreal engine is good sometimes

[proud jay]

Banned

[deep glen]

cough
https://twitter.com/As_Yoesual/status/1702066109166301493

As_Yoesual (@As_Yoesual)

Daily EDM Track: Did Some (WIP) #music #dj #housemusic #dance #festival #techno #producer

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 9:05 PM

[rancid smelt]

https://x.com/MrGemezl/status/1701901118169596008?s=20

Gemezl (@MrGemezl)

Bad ending:

You go to prison because people install-bombed your Unity game

Likes

243

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 10:10 AM

[celest musk]

unity employee posted that they haven't figured out how they are going to calculate the installation count xDDD

[white oxide]

i was also thinking how exactly they check that

unless the unity engine pumps out an update that just tattles to the unity server

[fleet tangle]

It'd have to be the installer

[celest musk]

https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates.1482750/page-55#post-9299384

• There will not be an embedded "phone home" mechanism
• Unity hasn't actually completely figured out how to count installs yet. Whatever the solution is, it will be conservative. It will potentially/probably undercount installs, but definitely not overcount.

[white oxide]

wouldnt that also require that steam and itch actually tell unity how many installs there are?

[celest musk]

i feel like they had an idea after some beers and just posted it half drunk on twitter

and now they work it out

[fleet tangle]

That was just a "unity employee" doesn't mean it's facually correct.

[white oxide]

tbh given the rapidity of the backlash who wants to bet unity says "our mistake, our social media person overheard us talking about it in jest then posted it"

[warm bloom]

guys

[white oxide]

kinda hard to backpaddle from this

[warm bloom]

we can bankrupt the game developers

with our 1gb internet

we shall uninstall and reinstall

millions of times

[white oxide]

i wish i had 5mb internet

sobs in 300kb internet

[fleet tangle]

bit or byte?

[white oxide]

byte

2.4mbit

[fleet tangle]

Not as bad as it could have been.

8x better, one might say.

[white oxide]

hah

but yeah were billed for "up too 100mbite"

[fleet tangle]

Oh dear.

[white oxide]

and we pay 2x what basic fiber customers pay

because its this or musknet

[fleet tangle]

Musknet? Melon related?

[white oxide]

starlink

though its honestly looking reasonable given the slow speed

[celest musk]

POV: unity employee calculating your games total installs.

https://tenor.com/view/dart-darts-game-of-darts-miketyson-gif-5028490

[white oxide]

how would WE even know how many times the game has been installed

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-the-wheel-dab-dabbing-anomaly-gaming-anomaly-gaming-gif-gif-12592520

also

[white oxide]

i can see copies claimed/purchased, but installed?

[unreal ether]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[proud jay]

Lol I’m getting unity ads on facebook and the comments on it are savage

[regal pecan]

Not just installed, but legit installs that aren't free or charity or demos or ...

Counting any install you could do with the Unity runtime, unless you want your game to be DRM free.

[celest musk]

there's a 100 page thread on the unity forum and the good answers would cut it down to 1 page, most of the reactions are just emotional and idiotic -.-

https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates.1482750/page-97#post-9307511
this one is good tho

On that $10 game example, you'd gross $10,000,000 first and pay Unity nothing, just a $2K subscription.. For unreal, you'd pay them $450,000 by that point.

guess they gonna fix this if they read that post^

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-gif-20654398

that gif looks that unity new logo

[celest musk]

because their logo is an orthographic cube?

they put all their creativity in their license cost model

[sweet rose]

rip unity

[soft night]

https://twitter.com/unity/status/1702077049425596900

Unity (@unity)

We want to acknowledge the confusion and frustration we heard after we announced our new runtime fee policy. We’d like to clarify some of your top questions and concerns:

Who is impacted by this price increase: The price increase is very targeted. In fact, more than 90% of our…

Twitter · Sep 13, 2023, 9:49 PM

[unreal ether]

Looking in the replies. Their grave has been dug. It's alright saying reinstalls won't apply but if you don't offer any transparency into your tracking no one can trust you.

As one of the rust Devs stated, the rust community already has a working reinstalled with HWID spoofer

[regal pecan]

"More than 90% of our customers" how useful is that statistic

[unreal ether]

I don't think they realise the 20 cents part is not their most egregious sin.

Retroactively changing the EULA to invalidate a core part of it, adding mandatory spyware to all unity games, and refusing transparency are the biggest ones

[celest musk]

Thanks for the clarification. People were angry, now they are angry and clarified.

xDDD

[unreal ether]

They really are just subtly pointing at unreals lack of good ortho support 😔

[celest musk]

they improved stuff

orthographic rendering was supported since forever?!

just dont use lights then

[timber viper]

lmao this gif gets me everytime

Riccitellio is even worse than @proud jay's ex-boss, confirmed

[unreal ether]

Where is that gif even from 😆

[white oxide]

his wife left him through a sign in minecraft

😂

[coral widget]

Hey so a bunch of guys and I are starting a game in Unity, end of joke.

[fathom wadi]

that just cost 0.20c. Jokes aren't free around here yer know.

[coral widget]

undresses take it all Unity, just take it.

[woven wing]

Wtf happened to metacritic's site

Their color pallet is like ⬜

Wait sorry, I missed some bits

[still geyser]

Oh someone literally beat me to it... lol

[sage ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-show-bunsen-honeydew-beaker-lab-fire-gif-27190819

unity rn ^

https://tenor.com/view/sml-roasting-marshmallows-brooklyn-guy-roast-marshmallows-camping-gif-25971251

unreal rn ^

[woven wing]

Here's kinda a funny question. When you make a game, do you start a new project and just work?

Because right now I've been using a smaller project to make mechanics 'work' and then porting it over

[late solstice]

I like to start fresh and migrate things into the new project

[honest plover]

hey all, im trying to load my model in unreal (blender fbx) and it freezes each time it loads it but it doesnt do it in ue4 for some reason, only 5. any tips on exporting it?

and im not so sure about the import settings but default import settings in ue4's didnt freeze

[bronze axle]

Not long now.

You know what would be funny?

The theme is: UNITY

[empty dune]

It would be funny if that was unironically it and now they are scrambling to change it

[bronze axle]

lol

[zinc matrix]

That would be hilarious. We'd see games about.. sinking ships... dumpster fires... betrayal....

[empty dune]

Would be the most creative game jam ever

[white oxide]

is there a "why a computer needs to sit and run during building a project" explained for dummies so i can convince my landlord the desktop not shutting down isnt a bad thing

also does UE need an internet connection to build a project?

[wispy barn]

Anyone want to team up for the megajam?

[merry vector]

@zinc matrix Lucky you. What is your game about?

[wispy barn]

The topic for the epic megajam haven't been released yet.

They will be released tomorrow but we could talk about some ideas

Oh you weren't even talking to me lmfao

[merry vector]

Jesus.

That is an idea right there.

I was thinking about what fire power does the gangster have? Is it magical firepower, or does he carry a glock around?

you will need a lot of assets for that. Perhaps modular ones?

So you can mish and mash them to make more

I specialize in not giving up. Show us some screenshots.

WOAH

WTF THAT LIGHTING IS NUTS

Same problem for my unity game. There were little flaws that are just.. itching.

Do you have any unreal knowledge?

I have a real problem with my game's level design.

Do you prototype by blocking out?

Intriguing

Yeah well I spent the whole night not sleeping and messing around with grass.

blueprints scare me more. As I have no idea of them.

Undoubtedly.

[north cliff]

I have already begun to learn C++ proper

I imagine almost all of us in here are Unity Expatriots lol

Funny how after one day my opinion of Unity went from pretty good, to complete collapse

Speaking of Game Jams, I heard someone was starting a "Jump Ship Jam" lmao

Found it https://twitter.com/PolyMarsYT/status/1702161209267560697

PolyMars (@PolyMarsYT)

hey game devs! feeling stuck in unity? curious about other engines out there? time to jump ship! ⛵

introducing #JumpShipJam, the perfect chance to dip your toes into a new game engine or tool!

🗓️ dates: sep 16 - oct 16
🔗 sign-up link: https://t.co/t8eIUC98qa

Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 3:23 AM

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-5447754

[merry vector]

jump ship jam actually sounds fun.

[scarlet cedar]

im looking at getting a secretlabs chair. do i want hybrid leatherette, softweave fabric or napa leather?

[empty blade]

why not just join the MegaJam that starts within 24 hours?

[merry vector]

Well even though I didn't have contacts with other devs it is still kind of sad.

[broken sigil]

I legit feel bad for pretty much everyone who spent years learning unity and basically got screwed over

overnight

[merry vector]

I worked with unity when I was 13 years old first.. fu.

I am 23 now.

..

ups, 24 as of september 6

[broken sigil]

I started with unity when I was like 10-11, moved to UE in late 2014, I'm 23 😅

[merry vector]

Is it just me or do unreal engine users just seem like they could build a suit in a cave and take flight like iron man?

someone wrote that unity was not made by game devs. If that is so, oh how it hurts now.

[tall ledge]

Well try and find a game Unity Technologies has shipped (spoiler: there are none)

[regal pecan]

They almost made a game.

[merry vector]

I might not be able to find any games shipped by them, but I know plenty of toys(sploiler - indie devs)

[tall ledge]

I bet it was killed by Johnny boy?

Epic use their engine for their own games (Fortnite is a pretty obvious example), and that's also referred to as dogfooding

Unity never did that, at least to something shippable

"at least to something shippable"

[merry vector]

every year there was a new from unity to unreal, then from unreal to unity video.

[tall ledge]

John Riccitiello is just going to sell off the scraps of what is left of Unity

He'll probably fail upwards to somewhere else

And get a decent payout in the process

[regal pecan]

That sounds like a metaphor for Unity

[fleet tangle]

If it's so gross, why are you describing it?

You generally don't describe that to strangers either.

[merry vector]

Oh no, she is the comfortable type. We are done for.

[fleet tangle]

How very callous of you.

I'm not sure how to spell the biological version, tbh.

And I really don't want to Google it.

[merry vector]

If i swallow one more baked potato piece imagining your callous kinks I will go nuts

Instant friendship unlocked.

[fleet tangle]

Masochism?

[merry vector]

I slept yesterday, I think. Wbu?

[fleet tangle]

I got a whole 5 hours of sleep before having to get up at 4am to get on a train to another country.

[white oxide]

Yall are getting actual sleep?

[fleet tangle]

That's quite the job.

[broken sigil]

I'm about to go leave this mortal plane for about 6 hours

[merry vector]

Said blue man before sleeping for 10 hours

[broken sigil]

It's 7am

[fleet tangle]

Small price to pay, clearly!

[empty dune]

smol

[white oxide]

Im watching a gag show... and half of them would earn me an assault charge because they are just insane

[merry vector]

It is 8:22 and I am drinking a beer.

[broken sigil]

It's fine except lists all the terrible, illegal things

[empty dune]

dont worry, im used to this

activate's anti psychic damage shields

[merry vector]

what is pto?

oh. nice.

[empty dune]

do you speak trees?

[broken sigil]

Tbf 3 day work week does sound nice

Tho I do work from home 😅

[empty dune]

constant what now

[merry vector]

I also work from home. though i don't know how long it will last. however I hope i can learn unreal and release my small game.

[empty dune]

😭

[merry vector]

Wtf is up with old people over there?

[regal pecan]

leaded gasoline maybe?

Hope we turn out better with pfas

[merry vector]

What leaded gasoline, do they eat cereal with it?

[empty dune]

is it also nothing personnel?😂 (man, old memes are amazing)

ahh.....murica, should have guessed

[merry vector]

So, @zinc matrix , as far as you described your situation you are the vietnamese female rambo.

[broken sigil]

Check engine preferences
Believe you can change it there

[broken sigil]

On my phone so can't check but 99% sure there are viewport control options

[merry vector]

Damn. No wonder you would be into extreme stuff. Like chains and handcuffs, and learning unreal engine

[empty dune]

im curious, are there many veterans in that old age home?

[regal pecan]

Age range fits

[empty dune]

where the fuck is this conversation going lmao

[regal pecan]

It's going to #cpp sooner or later

[broken sigil]

I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that and I'm going to bed

[lofty lark]

#cpp goes off topic enough, we don't need lounge walking over there

Because W is for Wotation

I think.

[merry vector]

did you just open it for the first time?

[lofty lark]

I find those default post proc fx really annoying tbh 😅 especially auto exposure

[empty dune]

not ||kinky|| enough for that

okay, time for therapy, see you lot in a couple hours lmao

[lofty lark]

God I hope no one feels that way about #cpp

[empty dune]

issa joke

cries in emotional stability

[merry vector]

@empty dune I kept reading your name and was like wtf why does it say use enhanced input

you tell me? I never touched a game engine made for making games

[lofty lark]

Honeymoon phase started quick huh

[broken sigil]

This is what an engine with actual tools looks like made by people who make games themselves 😅

[merry vector]

@zinc matrix so imagine this. You make a grass 3d model in blender, vertex paint it, add like 6 nodes and boom you got custom grass.

[lofty lark]

Blue Man 20 minutes ago smh

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-pathetique-pathetox-cat-gif-17249104

[lofty lark]

Stay away from the deep dark depths of Epics cpp and they might still shine in the limelight

[broken sigil]

There is nothing wrong with C++, I can't be the only one who actually likes it

[lofty lark]

I like it

I very much prefer the days where I work in cpp than ts.

Keep me away from that shit

[broken sigil]

Ts makes me die inside a little bit

[lofty lark]

Makes me die a lot.
"Hey optimize this pipeline/system"
"Okay, we got any docs on it."
"Just the code"
:BlueMansCryingEmojiBecauseIts90%Ts:

[broken sigil]

Lmao

[lofty lark]

I didn't know ts at the time of that task either btw

[woven wing]

"Time to close all of my tabs and go to bed" and I close my browser and there's another full of open tabs

[lofty lark]

So my ts learning experience has just been "guess I'm read code and change shit and see what happens" 😅

[merry vector]

@lofty lark how do you actually conver a bp to code? Is there a button for that ?

[lofty lark]

Uh I think? There's a blueprint nativizer thingamajig I thunk and I was wrongish

You can double click a BP node and it should open up the corresponding cpp code in your ide

@timber viper is working on a plug in dohickey that's all about converting BP 2 cpp iirc (sorry if you're sleeping with your rem pillow eren)

[broken sigil]

There was an official nativization tool that was removed in 5.0 since it was pretty broken more often than not

[lofty lark]

But I too think I'm going to follow suit in this half hour old message and catch some dreams.

[broken sigil]

Erens plugin actually seems to be coming along nice

[broken sigil]

Lmao, I'll go to bed.... eventually 😅

I got distracted

[lofty lark]

Uh huh

Explain to future Blue Man

"Just thirty more minutes"

"You could had them if you want to bed when you said so"

[broken sigil]

Oh the future bm is gonna hate current BM, he always does

But current bm never learns

[fleet tangle]

I like it!

[lofty lark]

We're the 3 stooges then

Both yall are outside of the US i think, so idk if that reference went through at all lol

[broken sigil]

Nope 😂

[fleet tangle]

3 stooges are pretty well known, if not by experience, just by name.

[broken sigil]

Ok I have to Google

Oh wait.... this does look extremely familiar

Not by name, but they definitely look very familiar

[proud jay]

That’s cause most of them don’t ever release a game lol

[regal pecan]

That's what I was thinking. But if that's free Unity Personal numbers it should be higher. If that's paying Unity Plus and higher numbers, that's demoralizing. Maybe if it's paying users who earn more than $200k?

[dusky bobcat]

The worst thing is retroactive. They can do whatever they want without you signed the agreement.

[regal pecan]

It is. They're Darth Vadering the deal.

[unreal ether]

The worst part of that for me was it didn't use to be like that. They erased the clause letting you stay on an older version with the EULA for that version

[dusky kettle]

good morning fellas

[empty dune]

because many people follow youtube tutorials blindly and use either input actions (deprecated) or worse, hard coded input. and that pisses me off

you have no idea how much time i spend per day looking at quinn's butt while trying to debug my game

[empty dune]

wait till they get their first "this is unreal engine, fuck you" moment 😂

until you realise this current person youre dating is emotionally unavailable. Dont believe me? use the default water plugin 😆

[empty dune]

i like cpp and dislike c# too 🫂

[proud jay]

you should see a doctor

[empty dune]

and you should pay for your (war)crimes in Bosnia but im not complaining about that now, am i? >:{

[proud jay]

how do you know about those

My mom promised not to tell anyone

[empty dune]

your mom was a CIA sleeper agent

her job was to sleep

i wish i could be a sleeper agent too, sigh

[proud jay]

I think my colleague is having a stroke

[regal pecan]

Cat treats. Bring. Do not dally.

[empty dune]

or a cat murdered them walked across their keyboard

[proud jay]

it was actually his child sitting on his lap apparently

[empty dune]

the child killed him and this was his plea to avenge him

[regal pecan]

How far could you get with a game where the EULA lets you tax players at your discretion?

[proud jay]

this is the 90% they talk about

I'm starting to worry

[fleet tangle]

Anyone ever done anything with the micro mice competition? It looks fun.

[proud jay]

I saw a vid on it, it looks cool

kinda made me wanna try it

but then other stuff happened and forgot about it

[empty dune]

this is called a plea for help. call the police

[fleet tangle]

Lol probably same here.

[manic pier]

are you all unreal addicts here ?

[worldly sapphire]

Unreal Anonymous

[fleet tangle]

Internet under the sea. Neat.

He says, as his discord connection drops out.

[proud jay]

I haven't opened unreal in years

[manic pier]

how can you live without it is my question

i use to be addicted to video games but now i'm addicted to ue5

[fleet tangle]

Currently moving at 300kph. Speedy!

[unreal ether]

Some people who work as developers don't want to come home to do more development :P

[manic pier]

ahah yeah but i do :/

[worldly sapphire]

Good on you, keep strong buddy ✊

[manic pier]

hahaha

[scarlet cedar]

i thought you said wise there for a second

[fathom wadi]

I hate money and money hates me. I never attract it even though I've grinded hard for almost 25 years in tech, almost 14 in game dev. Yet some simple bastard talks shit about women or some ditsy butterface gets her tatties out for millions. It makes no sense. When I was growing up they taught us "if you work hard it will pay off". Bollocks.

[fleet tangle]

It is.

It's what gets you to be part of the system.

[proud jay]

well those are making money cause people are just stupid lol

nothing you can do about it

I should get my tatties out

[scarlet cedar]

i would pay you not to do that

[fathom wadi]

I just want to be compensated for my knowledge of game dev. I don't ask for much. Just enough to pay for a house so when I die my family isn't worrying about a roof over their head like they are now.

[empty dune]

Why are you afraid of the truth?

[scarlet cedar]

no just the visceral assault from seeing that

[empty dune]

Ah shit. How's the house situation now? Did you all get that house you applied for?

[fathom wadi]

no. Court date was on the 25th of august and they processed the possession order so the landlord is getting the bailiffs sorted which gives us about 2 weeks notice from any day now.

[empty dune]

Fuck

[fleet tangle]

:/

[empty dune]

Wait, i assume this is a rented property? Is there no other place nearby that rents out and is open?

[fathom wadi]

I have zero money to rent anymore. Not had any work and all my savings have gone on cost of living.

I'm literally broke

[empty dune]

Ohh...

Shit

[fathom wadi]

yeah. I had a full on panic attack yesterday when I heard the letterbox go. Could hardly breathe, heart racing, almost too scared to go check if it was the notice for the bailiffs. Turned out to be my wife's headphones from amazon. It's like living in a permanent nightmare.

[fleet tangle]

😦

[empty dune]

Isn't there any social security benefits where you are? I don't know much about the EU but i know some countries allow declaration of personal bankruptcy

[fathom wadi]

yeah we get enough to just about live on. But not enough to save to get the 2 months rent and deposit for a place

only thing left is the council putting us in a hostel for upto 54 days or getting super lucky and getting a council house

[fleet tangle]

Applied for council housing?

[fathom wadi]

years ago yeah

[timber viper]

Henlo

Just woke up

[empty dune]

That is a nightmare.....

[fathom wadi]

in order to get a council house these days you need to be homeless first, have kids and you still get put in a queue because so many people are in the same boat thanks to the interest rates causing landlords to sell up

[empty dune]

25 years of tech experience should get you atleast a junior position somewhere though, minimum. Is the job search really that bad there?

[fathom wadi]

I can't even apply right now as I'm not gonna have a place to work from. Chances are I will have to sell my PC just to pay to store our stuff for a few weeks

[fleet tangle]

Depends on the pay. The second you get one, the benefits stop and if it's not enough 5o support you, what's the point? Or you're working 40 hours a week to earn £10 more than the benefits give.

[fathom wadi]

I have a job lined up when I get a new place which is nice, but until then I'm on hold

[fathom wadi]

yeah I literally cant get a basic job just to earn because it's less than we get on social security so I would be working to put us in a worse position. It's catch-22.

[fleet tangle]

Yup.

[fathom wadi]

I've been meditating in Blender for the past few weeks and made a few things to fill up some artstation space. https://marcrogerson.artstation.com/
Would love to get back to Unreal engine though.

they are gonna get a lot worse before they get better unfortunately but thanks

I've had a saying since the day I first went to gamblers anonymous in my late teens. "When you hit rock bottom the only way left is up". I also joke that it means going to heaven but lets not go there 😄

[empty dune]

https://hitmarker.net/jobs

This website helped a friend of mine when she was very desperate, apparently it's not very well known but sees a lot of recruiter traffic. I thought maybe it could help you...

[fleet tangle]

Esports jobs huh?

[empty dune]

Idk, there's tech/gaming jobs too

I remember seeing quite a few studio openings here. My friend eventually got hired as lead writer in a game studio

Idk probably is irrelevant, i just thought maybe if it can help, i should tell mark

[fathom wadi]

I get offered a lot of jobs but I just can't commit in this current situation. I don't where I will be in a couple of weeks and my head isn't in the game right now to do any programming. Which is why I've spent my time in Blender making motion graphics and stuff. I had an offer from Hangar 18 last week which looked like it was perfect for me as it's on a new Mafia game and I've studied it for decades. Likely they will take it to the 1970's/80's period with the Gambinos and the era of Paul Castellano and John Gotti. But I had to turn it down.

[charred shadow]

Do we know if mods of unreal engine Reddit sub are in this server, or at least do we know who are those people?

https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/164fpld/request_for_allowing_image_and_video_posts_in_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/1649rlb/not_allowing_images_videos_on_posts_is_pointless/

https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/163sz86/why_does_this_subreddit_not_allow_images_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/16i97gg/for_the_love_of_god_please_enable_images_and/

This is just pointless. The sub is just dying at this point, it was my favorite place to scroll down to spend some time when bored.

[fathom wadi]

I'll be honest, Reddit is like a scab you pick at. Sometimes it's good but often it just rips off and leaves you hanging.

the best place for unreal info is definitely this server

[charred shadow]

Yes, but you can definitely get more impressions while showing something to community in reddit sub. Your message just gets washed away in chat history quickly in discord if you want to show some cool stuff.

[proud jay]

please do

[timber viper]

I gave up on Reddit long time ago

[fleet tangle]

If you don't want your cool thing to get washed away, post in the release or work in progress forums.

[timber viper]

And never get any attraction? 😄

[fathom wadi]

you can search discord pretty well these days

[charred shadow]

I think mods of reddit sub have exactly same mindset with you guys, so that's probably why it's dying.

[timber viper]

Pretty sure mods of that subreddit is also members of Slackers but I cant see them being active around here

[charred shadow]

"we have a discord server here, why care about reddit? Meh"

[fathom wadi]

there is the development hub on Epic site too but I'll be honest and say that edge case stuff is usually tough to get a solution to there. I have better luck here.

[timber viper]

I only exist in Slackers and Reddit because Epic doesnt manage them

[proud jay]

bruh, postman was supposed to deliver a package today, now I got the notice that it will be delivered tomorrow because of closing day. I didn't know my fucking house had a closing day

especially cause half an hour before I received another package from the same postman

wtf

[timber viper]

Maybe because of this?

Word seems to be spread quickly

[proud jay]

but he gave me the other package 😔

it's really shit though, they were safety shoes

[fleet tangle]

Them's the breaks.

[proud jay]

I need them for my woodworking class this evening

[timber viper]

That reddit thingy seems to be suck

Since tons of unity people switching

Unlike their subreddit ours are not cool enough

[proud jay]

I still wonder how the fuck they claim they couldn't deliver due to closing they

if they wanted to lie at least say that I wasn't at home or something

this just doesn't make sense

[timber viper]

Masterful Cat's EP9 was so emotional

[fleet tangle]

It was!

Was that the one where she goes to the spa?

[timber viper]

Nope

[fleet tangle]

(with her company)

[timber viper]

Where she rescue Yuuki

the fullstory

[empty dune]

Yukikaze?

[timber viper]

[empty dune]

Heathen

Dont know yukikaze

[timber viper]

I only have 3 brain cells and cant waste 2 of them to understand this

have to crunch bp2cpp today

[empty dune]

It's an anime smh

About fighter jets

[timber viper]

now we're talking

hmm

2002 series

waifus turn into F-35 Lightning II™️?

[empty dune]

Too late, you already shorted one just by interacting with me

[timber viper]

damn I was going to use it to binge anime

[empty dune]

No lol, it's more like gundam but with jet Fighters

[timber viper]

I'm ashamed to admit I didnt watch gundam

[empty dune]

Congrats, you just managed to short one of my brain cells

[timber viper]

[empty dune]

Repent, heretic, watch zeta gundam

[timber viper]

Evangelion first

then Gundam

[empty dune]

YOU DIDN'T WATCH EVA????

[fleet tangle]

Aaah. Yes! Was so good. I love how in the next episode, yuki finds his own pet in a box!