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queen isle
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just found a game that can easily be described as aliexpress fortnite

unreal ether
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I think I know the one

queen isle
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i am surprised how far they did to copy the building mechanci too

proud jay
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finally got a decent monitor arm

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so nice

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so clean

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so much space

broken sigil
proud jay
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not yet

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soon though

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with the integrated ai capabilities /s

unreal ether
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The only AI a monitor arm needs is to automatically activate 144hz and above because most people don't realise that most monitors are defaulted to 60hz

broken sigil
fleet tangle
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Mine defaulted to the max Hz!

inland oriole
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I have once again appeared to come and bring this meme. See you all in 20 years again 👀

developer_meme.jpg
broken sigil
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lol

fathom wadi
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I made a BP only C++ project. My source control has no commits.

inland oriole
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Also good to see you back, Laura! I've not been in here since forever so I'm probably very late at this point 😅

zinc matrix
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Laura in 1822 ^

fathom wadi
zinc matrix
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but oh yeah

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my type of woman nowadays;

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another crush

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gosh i love this one

fathom wadi
zinc matrix
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nice daughters too 😁

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but i have mixed feelings with people with too much make-up

fathom wadi
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if it wasn't for makeup, we would have been extinct a millenia ago.

zinc matrix
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🙂 no way

fathom wadi
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My wife looks worse with makeup on in my opinion, but she likes to put it on anyway. She has natural beauty, but she's also subject to the narcissism of modern beauty standards.

zinc matrix
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yes, i usually get attracted way more to women who do not use it

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another crush

fathom wadi
fleet tangle
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Just got the last achievement in brotato.

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I need more!

fluid bloom
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"UNREAL ENGINE 5 GAMES" and then a screen that says "made with unity"

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okay 😄

fathom wadi
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there isn't enough pre-apocalyptic games being made. I want to see the sunshine, the clean cities and the well governed citizens living a happy life.
THEN I can blow the shit out of them all.

proud jay
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true

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become the apocalypse

unreal ether
fathom wadi
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I'll pre-order the expansion

woven wing
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I set my games in the desert because foliage is hard

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I set my games post-apocolyptic because good NPCs are hard

fathom wadi
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I set my games in space because landscapes are annoying

woven wing
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Bout to make a "radical new exploratory experience where you play as a blind character" so I don't have to worry about gpu optimization

fathom wadi
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wait until you get into metasounds.

proud jay
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I don't make games cause making games is hard

woven wing
fathom wadi
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one step at a time and it adds up to the long journey

proud jay
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just close your eyes then

worldly sapphire
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[rant] my colleague likes to add more logic to default Blueprints rather than creating a child and extending them and I know this always causes more issues down the line and argghhh[/rant]

fathom wadi
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yeah but then theres only one file to resolve any issues in. que cera

woven wing
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I was happy to finally understand enough C++ to read what is going on. Then animation and rigging just slapped me in the face

worldly sapphire
woven wing
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"I will start my real project" has been moved to December, 2025

worldly sapphire
woven wing
fathom wadi
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Just make DLCs without the basegame. Then nobody can run it to see if it works or not anyway

proud jay
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free money

worldly sapphire
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The Star Citizen business plan

woven wing
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My udemy log grows faster than I can speedrun them

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2x speed just means I add more things to it faster

proud jay
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stop adding new ones then?

woven wing
fathom wadi
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I'm gonna start selling courses about self-esteem and how to gain it at my new tutorial site, Udeman

proud jay
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I'm gonna make a tutorial on how to buy tutorials

woven wing
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I don't need to be an expert at everything, just like a enough to understand A from B, for most things

fathom wadi
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be a generalist and generally do nothing

proud jay
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jack of all trades, master of none

worldly sapphire
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yoo shhh dont rat me out

fathom wadi
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Remember when game devs had to specialise. Now you have to know how to program, do UI, animate, environmental art, sound design and do all the dev ops with a cloud provider, for $25 an hour?

proud jay
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and backflips

woven wing
# proud jay and backflips

You joke, but I was looking at mocap stuff and wondering if I could still do a backflip well enough to mocap it

fathom wadi
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I had a recruiter pitch me a no title job, with no description, for £150. I asked "Is that an hourly rate?" and he said no its for the day. I replied "Sorry that's below my starting wage" and the cheeky bugger asked what my hourly rate was.
More than you Mr.Outsourcer.

woven wing
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My specialization is "I have more time than most people"

fathom wadi
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my specialisation is "I've broken more things in the engine than most people so I know how to fix things more than most people"

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that and prototyping. I do like a bit of the old proto

woven wing
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Is there a spec for "I've broken more things than I know how to fix"

proud jay
fathom wadi
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yeah especially with my time served with unreal.

proud jay
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even for a starter that's not all that much

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by the time you deduct taxes and shit

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you're broke

fathom wadi
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45k in the UK isn't bad for starting. If you had say 1-2 years under your belt

proud jay
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it's not bad salaried

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but freelance is different

fathom wadi
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oh yeah I see your point

proud jay
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at least in belgium

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cause then you pay social security yourself and stuff

fathom wadi
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I've worked for less but only on things I wanted to work on for experience or if I was getting royalties (which have yet to ever turn up)

proud jay
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lol

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it will sell millions some day!

fathom wadi
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I worked on two games for free that made over 100k over a few years but I never saw a penny. Not blaming the guy for not giving me a tip at least, but it did feel a bit scammy

proud jay
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this is why you need contracts

fathom wadi
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well not in that case. I did it because I was transitioning from UE3 to UE4 and wanted the experience

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paying my dues so to speak

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I did some pretty cool stuff too. Making HOTAS work before it actually did in engine (pre-raw input). Got support for TrackIR in the engine. Not to mention learning a whole load of C++ which I didn't know before, alongside the general flow of making stuff in UE4

proud jay
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the painter is working in our home, about to faint of the fumes

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hot ass?

fathom wadi
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rip a massive fart and shout "How do you like it !"

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yeah the flight stick stuff

proud jay
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oh

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I have a problem

fathom wadi
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integrated it via SDL but about a year later they added Raw Input which allowed for more devices

proud jay
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I ran out of coffee I think

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oh SDL was so much fun to mess around with

fathom wadi
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I can't even remember what I did now. It was back in 2014/15 and I was pretty stoned at the time

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Im sure I just copy/pasted a load of stuff

worldly sapphire
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that still doesn't narrow anything down

fathom wadi
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making TrackIR support was a doozy though. I had a 15 years old native C library to work with. I had to build it as a DLL and export all the functions out to Unreal types. I should have released it but the way the original source worked meant you had to hand code in a serial number from TrackIR when you registered your game for support so I couldn't release it without giving it as a library where you had to compile the DLL yourself. Seemed antithetical to the Unreal Marketplace boundaries at the time. Could probably release it now as they release any old shit.

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anyhow. I must sleep for code awaits me. Have fun.

hollow dawn
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fun... as i we were some jolly toddlers and not hard working profashionals

proud jay
carmine frigate
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yea he is a seaman

proud jay
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doesn't mean he gets paid to do it

soft night
zinc matrix
unborn lotus
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Just get on the streets

zinc matrix
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MOOOORNING SUNSHINES

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(do not work for free except it is my bot game)

tulip orbit
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thats why I'm not working on my game, nobody is paying me

zinc matrix
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errr 😁

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i wonder what is the feeling of working X years on a freeware video-game and at the end be ranted

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take a read at this phrase i found,

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We can only be said to be alive in those moments when our hearts are conscious of our treasures. —THORNTON WILDER

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and let me add ambiguity here: the alive word has a prefix A, which is absence

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thanks for reading my TED talk

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i wish a i had 4 life-times, so i could spend one reading books

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1, podcasts

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and 2 game-developing

carmine frigate
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some ppl die really young.. so you might have

zinc matrix
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my life-span is guaranteed to be +100 years

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i am not accepting less

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other-wise i will fake it

unborn lotus
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Gen z will probably live to 130

carmine frigate
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lol nah... we fuckt the world up real good for em 😛

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no way they makin 40

zinc matrix
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really cool, piece of dust

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Laura started the petroleum revolution

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after that, the world is not the same any-more

carmine frigate
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large parts of the world a lot of ppl are still starving... should be a lot more easy to fix than a lot of the other things we do

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DDR5 is also pretty cool tho

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at least some ppl have and food and ddr5

zinc matrix
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world poverty is deeply rooted on very powerful people?

carmine frigate
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no

zinc matrix
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i think it is

carmine frigate
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thats a dumb theory

zinc matrix
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yeah maybe

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that is also history

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like Portugal having golden churches while Brazil is such a mess

carmine frigate
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well bayB ddr5 is not that cool. i have ddr4 its battle tested

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5 sounds better than 4 tho

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ahh yea

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well my ram is just fine.. and i also have food 🙂

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pretty solid setup here

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yea i like my ram too much to eat

carmine frigate
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both Portugal and Brazil are a mess

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Portugal is just closer to countries that are not a Mess so they make money on that

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its a vacation house country for places where it rains a lot

proud jay
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portugal use to be the shit in the olden days

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now if you're not a tourist it's just shit I feel like

carmine frigate
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yea we fucked em up real good 🙂

proud jay
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we burned all their pianos

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why are you impersonating bm

carmine frigate
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I am who i am

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I was born as a Blue Man in an Owninator account

proud jay
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trans-blue

carmine frigate
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yup

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Im also still a crab with udders, but i cant milk myself cuz i have claws

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broken from the start and patches just make a mess out of it

proud jay
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as long as you're past the piano burning phase

carmine frigate
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did you know 300 mil years ago when a tree fell over it wouldnt rot?

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it took millions of years for a bactetia to show up and start working on the back log

proud jay
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how so

carmine frigate
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trees were there B4 the bacteria too eat em were

proud jay
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are you saying we have bacteria over population

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cause I blame your mom

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she's spreading diseases left and right

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not the only thing she's spreading

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also piano burning genes

carmine frigate
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ill ask her what she was doin 300million years ago

proud jay
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probably the oldest profession

carmine frigate
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piano burning

proud jay
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professional breather

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or that

carmine frigate
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now every1 is talking about global warming and shit like that

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but what we are in fact doing is burning all that coal that was put in the ground by stupid trees and release the CO2 back in the atmosphere

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we restore the atmosphere to pre history levels

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we are healing the earth

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well you have ddr5... i think ur safe for a while

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me with my ddr4 wil die sooner

proud jay
carmine frigate
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yea, nature been messing up this planet for too many years

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it used to be a hot lava rock with toxic fumes

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perfect

unborn lotus
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Just move next planet over if that's your preference

proud jay
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why the fuck does youtube music have almost no podcasts

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was considering stopping spotify and getting youtube premium, but seems like ass

soft night
proud jay
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sound is sound

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they have some podcasts

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just shit ones

worldly sapphire
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I've got the Editor Successful Build sound on loop 24/7 and that gives me enough dopamine

proud jay
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nice

worldly sapphire
proud jay
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so you can remain in the hot reload delusion all day

worldly sapphire
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awwww yisss runs build that's atcually 3 days old

proud jay
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years*

zinc matrix
carmine frigate
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no

zinc matrix
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i mean, i really do not know

carmine frigate
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but i said thatlater on

zinc matrix
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i am very apolitical, believe or not

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but as far i understand my country... shit is pretty screwed

carmine frigate
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Brazil?

zinc matrix
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a damp squib considering what we have

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yep

carmine frigate
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well at least its big

unborn lotus
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biboca garagem favela!

carmine frigate
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whatever thats worth 😛

zinc matrix
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food...

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and we have one of, if not the biggest aquifer in the world

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education here is pretty rough, tho

carmine frigate
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i dont know what aquifer is

zinc matrix
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water stored underground

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maybe worth a lot as the time pass by

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i mean, i think geo-politics do not consider an aquifer a big thing for a country economy

carmine frigate
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yea we have water fall out of the sky here a lot

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its not great, but at least we dont live in a desert

zinc matrix
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i mean, just to you understand

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that is way more water than you think

proud jay
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brazil is definitely bigger shithole than portugal

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I think at least

unborn lotus
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did you guys hear that parts of US are and will be getting 35+ C wet bulb tempreatures? desert or not, plenty of water or not, won't matter since you can't survive without heavy AC

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indoor or outdoor, sun or shade

carmine frigate
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any place in the US u can dig a hole in the ground sit in it and not die

zinc matrix
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160 trillion liters of water

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that you can drink

worldly sapphire
carmine frigate
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yea, we can put sea water in a machine and drink it after it comes out

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no biggy

zinc matrix
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super efficient and cheap

carmine frigate
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water war is more of an afrikan thing

unborn lotus
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for now

proud jay
zinc matrix
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yeah but dinosaurs lasted millions of years

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and where we will be at in 500,000 years?

carmine frigate
zinc matrix
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i mean, by citing an giant aquifer, it means that we will possibly build shelters here, no?

carmine frigate
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you have to drink the water 1st

celest musk
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what's the difference between aquifier and distillation?

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does aquifier keep useful minerals and only gets rid of the salt?

zinc matrix
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who knows

celest musk
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is it a natural or human made thing?

zinc matrix
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as far as i know, water purification from the ocean is actually done by pumping it with high pressure at filters

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aquifers are natural, Ben

carmine frigate
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you should start a company and have a gamecontroller submarine to dive in that aquifer

zinc matrix
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it translates directly to "groundwater" and aquifer

fleet tangle
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You know what happens if you pump all that water out?

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Brazil sinks!

celest musk
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you should get a strike for stupid submarine jokes -_-

zinc matrix
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where it is located there is a potential to agriculture

carmine frigate
zinc matrix
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we are responsible for 25% of food production in the world

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and that is data not considering soybeans sold to livestock somewhere

carmine frigate
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nah you think its food... but we make body lotion out of that palm shit

zinc matrix
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lol

celest musk
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and nutella

carmine frigate
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just rub it on our face

zinc matrix
celest musk
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nutella? yea that works, too

zinc matrix
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we produce soybeans not palm oil

celest musk
carmine frigate
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yea we feed that soy shit too our cows and eat steak

zinc matrix
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and corn too

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and you feed pigs and chickens

mossy nexus
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and nuts

celest musk
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i eat soy, i'm livestock apparently 😭

zinc matrix
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hehe

carmine frigate
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yup, we buy the food from starving countries and feed it to our cows and chickens 😄

fleet tangle
zinc matrix
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i mean, worth it of eating frequently

pallid oasis
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Last night downloaded both ue4 and 5 now I'm feeling that i did nothing more than wasting my time

celest musk
zinc matrix
pallid oasis
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I'm literally going to blow

fleet tangle
pallid oasis
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I need someone's help

fleet tangle
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Why 4 and 5?

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That's definitely a waste.

pallid oasis
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I've seen lots of errors 😕 while packaging

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And in the end i get cook error

carmine frigate
pallid oasis
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Otherwise 5 is just being aside

zinc matrix
carmine frigate
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soy is in everything

zinc matrix
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but our culture is basically rice and beans and some meat

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if you belong to the upper class you substitute beans for meat only

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and eat way more vegetables

carmine frigate
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soy

pallid oasis
carmine frigate
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weird i couldnt edit that

fleet tangle
zinc matrix
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and oh, some extra extra sugary stuff

celest musk
pallid oasis
zinc matrix
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everything here has probably 7x times more sugar than it should have

pallid oasis
fleet tangle
celest musk
fleet tangle
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The only real difference is enhanced input as your default input mechanic.

sweet rose
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Slackers who work in the industry (all development aspects), what were the development related books that helped you the most in your work?

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Hey you're back!

celest musk
pallid oasis
fleet tangle
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That's why I'm so fucked up.

pallid oasis
carmine frigate
fleet tangle
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Let there be code! And there was code!

carmine frigate
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never read it myself but it gets mentioned a lot for me to not have to read it

fleet tangle
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And it doth not compile because it came from chatGPT

sweet rose
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Thanks!

proud jay
fleet tangle
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To be fair if you googled that, all you'd get is paid references.

pallid oasis
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Here the error

carmine frigate
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callstack... not good

zinc matrix
celest musk
pallid oasis
pallid oasis
celest musk
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no, the reason is that something crashed

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which i never saw crashing like this

sweet rose
pallid oasis
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Dang

carmine frigate
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i cant see everything

celest musk
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you are packaging for android on purpose?

pallid oasis
carmine frigate
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remove stuff till it compiles

pallid oasis
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I just wanna try it on Android

pallid oasis
carmine frigate
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the broken stuff

celest musk
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some shader may be incompatible with android 🤷

pallid oasis
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Where can i find broken stuff

celest musk
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is the project even whitelisted for android?

pallid oasis
pallid oasis
zinc matrix
carmine frigate
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package often and test

celest musk
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well then maybe dont start with cross compile... 😄

carmine frigate
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if package no go... delete ur latest stuff

fleet tangle
zinc matrix
celest musk
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he is stuck on the first riddle

carmine frigate
pallid oasis
zinc matrix
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i have to make rice

carmine frigate
fleet tangle
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At least the rice cooker won't generate errors.

pallid oasis
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Marketplace

celest musk
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you still didnt tell us if it's supposed to run on android or not

pallid oasis
proud jay
celest musk
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give the marketplace link to the project please

pallid oasis
carmine frigate
celest musk
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alr, it's only for windows

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could someone port it to android... most likely.

pallid oasis
celest musk
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is this a good task for a beginner, most likely not

sweet rose
celest musk
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start with something easy to get used to UE

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and specially to android and what shader stuff/textureformats it supports

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since there seems to be the major problem currently

pallid oasis
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Is there's any kind of map that would work on Android?

carmine frigate
celest musk
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if you browse, you can filter by supported platforms...

pallid oasis
celest musk
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this is old tho

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but looks really good, only use it with ue4, because updating it to 5.x is a bit of work

soft night
carmine frigate
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I packaged a sidescroller project for android long time ago

celest musk
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also android compatible and you can use it with 5.1

carmine frigate
celest musk
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but the composition makes it work out

soft night
pallid oasis
carmine frigate
celest musk
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what should i scrap from that pack? triangles?

carmine frigate
carmine frigate
celest musk
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wait i think i might have it, since i'm a hoarder

pallid oasis
celest musk
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btw. it's 1st tuesday of month

carmine frigate
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doesnt matter

pallid oasis
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Imma try it with 4.27

celest musk
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free stuff released 30mins ago 😛

carmine frigate
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most of the documentation wil be the same

carmine frigate
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5.2

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you can change version in the top left... i have no idea if thats any use

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but its there

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i just checked... it gives diffrent text and pictures... i rate 10/10

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i prolly packaged my androind project in 4.19.8 or some obscure version

celest musk
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use 5.1

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if you want to use soul city

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which is only updated to 5.1

carmine frigate
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give it a rest

celest musk
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as beginner you don't gain much from 5.2 and 5.1 is pretty solid

proud jay
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you only gain 0.1

celest musk
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0.1 steps closer to a bugfree release and 5.2 steps back

carmine frigate
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no, 5.1.3 is bugfixed 5.1 5.2 is more bugs

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but new bugs that are more cool

celest musk
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every bug is cooler than you

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isn't 5.2.1 already out?

carmine frigate
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well ill just go and contemplate my life 😛

celest musk
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don't

soft night
sweet rose
proud jay
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which one though

pallid oasis
proud jay
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he got himself banned

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are you nigey in disguise

viscid salmon
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I really think this discomfort with Rust's borrow checker is just something that fades away after a while. For me, Rust's compiler is the most helpful compiler out there. I feel like it's more that I have a buddy who looks over my shoulder while I write code rather than something that I constantly bang my head against 🙂

proud jay
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strange to react to something so old though

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are you just doing ctrl f for Rust lol

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indeed

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or someone from the foundation checking that their copyright is not being violated lol

sweet rose
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really?

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and?

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I guess it's intended for beginners

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like me

zinc matrix
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belly: full

proud jay
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hmmm, I read "software architecture - the hard parts" and had the same conclusion about that lol

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I guess architecture books are just garbage

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everyone agreed it was not worth the read lol

zinc matrix
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how would you kill such amazing creature

proud jay
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with a knife maybe

zinc matrix
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ops

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it was meant to be: why would you*

proud jay
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too late it's dead

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very eye-y

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whoever decided on html syntax is a piece of shit tbh

hollow dawn
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i always wondered, do you have to freeze it to get actual pieces or wtf did people eat back when they came up with such ideas?

fleet tangle
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Pieces of what?

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I still don't get what blackcarp is saying tbh.

fleet tangle
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</diet>

carmine frigate
pearl elk
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I thought it makes a great door stop

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Im reading Quantum Supremacy atm, definitely not for tech savvy readers lol

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Theres a nice history of computing at the start though, if anyones looking for a primer

hollow dawn
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oh i meant "piece of poop", why pieces, who the fuck poops pieces, apart from rabbits,
was just a typical afternoon question to keep the conversation flowing liquidly.

pearl elk
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Yeah its the one where Bourne and Bond team up

hollow dawn
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theres also one with michael jordan, bond and bourne teaming up, air bnb i think

fleet tangle
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Ah. Asian science guy!

pearl elk
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Most def is, its not written how he talks thankfully lol

hollow dawn
fleet tangle
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He's like the most famous Asian science celebrity.

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If you say "Asian science guy" to anyone, they'll think of him.

hollow dawn
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neil de grasse?

fleet tangle
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Is he Asian now?

mossy nexus
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Brian Cox?

pearl elk
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I really like Brian Cox, he has a way of making complex topics seem so simple

fleet tangle
#

Plus he's got that accent.

mossy nexus
#

Agreeded

fleet tangle
#

Easy listening.

pearl elk
#

Lol the accent gets everyone weak at the knees

hollow dawn
#

be careful with all that learning, you might get ideas

pearl elk
#

If you get a chance see him live, was totally brilliant

hollow dawn
#

on onlyfans?

pearl elk
#

Onlycox

mossy nexus
#

Naa the accent is slightly annoying to my ears. But he does down things down well. This talk on 8 dimentional physics was really cool.

pearl elk
#

Quantum Nanite when

fleet tangle
#

Lol

#

What is it with that graphic from Pulp Fiction?

hollow dawn
#

it the universal human hand gesture

pearl elk
#

I would give a guy a foot massage

hollow dawn
#

thats interesting to know

#

cool fact i guess?

zinc wagon
mossy nexus
hollow dawn
#

ya, lets just carefully retreat and leave the lounge to those guys

pearl elk
hollow dawn
mossy nexus
#

Damn, why do they have such tiny chairs and tables there? Hmmm.... 😄

hollow dawn
pearl elk
hollow dawn
#

you also cant hide monica lewinksy under them

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🥁

pearl elk
#

Thats why you need a towel to cover her up

hollow dawn
zinc matrix
#

now, imagine being a teenager and having a summer-time break 😭

#

yeah, this server is all about nerds

timber viper
#

@fleet tangle did you watch jahy-sama

#

couldnt find it in your mal

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i am on ep 10 and its deffo your type of anime

fleet tangle
#

Jahy-sama was awesome!

#

?

timber viper
#

yep

fleet tangle
timber viper
#

i went through your profile and tried to search by name but it queried the existing animes on its own database rather than your profile

fleet tangle
#

Have you seen the erm

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Other one that starts with J.

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About the girl who's part snake and a real dick.

timber viper
#

jaschin-chan

fleet tangle
#

That's the one!

timber viper
#

or something like that

fleet tangle
#

Fucking glorious.

timber viper
#

i watched first 3 eps

fleet tangle
#

It's amazing.

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Gets better and better.

timber viper
#

it was a bit slow but main character was great

#

i will continue it later on

fleet tangle
#

The last episode is amazing. Just amazing.

sweet rose
#

Would you rather:

Pass 10X more gas per fart
or
Have sticky stinky feet for a few minutes instead of farts (no gas)

zinc matrix
sweet rose
#

correct answer

zinc matrix
#

yes!

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so,

#

if i was not a nerd since kids days, i would love to abandon the tech ship and just live out of simple things like agriculture or something else

#

maybe own a floriculture

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or cook food for people

broken sigil
celest musk
#

idk why everyone loses their mind

zinc matrix
#

yeah but now we are heading towards the plateau of making money out of it

celest musk
#

data scraping is googles whole business model

broken sigil
zinc matrix
#

maybe it is just me exaggerating

celest musk
#

and media exaggerating

zinc matrix
#

but i really do not like to think this is the foundation we are setting

celest musk
#

and people coming here "ai will replace everyone of us"

zinc matrix
#

i mean, i do not care much about stuff nowadays, specially regarding artistic things made by AI

#

but what is the scene in 50 years or 200?

celest musk
#

as a kid i also didn't appreciate most art

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now i do, which is why i got my free UE assets today 1min after release 😛

broken sigil
#

I really don't see a problem, everything you post publicly online any other person can see, why wouldn't that same publicly accessibly data be allowed to be used for training

zinc matrix
#

yeah sure, but i really doubt Google will offer a free product

#

now how do you feel getting exchanged by some AI that has your data on it just because you need to post on Internet, otherwise you do not make money?

broken sigil
#

The Pile is a very popular curated dataset for language modeling that's commonly used and it's like 1.2TB of scraped public data

unreal ether
#

I mean are you really surprised that the most popular search engine launches a product and uses the data they're providing access to as training material?

broken sigil
unreal ether
#

It's like being suprised someone cooked something with ingredients they bought from the store :P

fleet tangle
#

You data is already used to make money, except it's not given out for free like the LLMs are.

#

Better than it's available for free than stored in google's and microsoft's private servers

#

For them to abuse.

zinc matrix
fleet tangle
#

(not forgetting apple!)

woven wing
#

I'm trying to get my music friend to start using AI so he can actually make good music

broken sigil
#

lol

fleet tangle
#

I'd be surprised if he is successful.

woven wing
#

He isn't successful, but I'd like to use his stuff over other people's stuff because he's a lifelong friend

unreal ether
#

I'm trying to get my AI friend to use people so he can be a better AI. - Google

broken sigil
#

I've been actually using the AI assistant in Rider a fair bit for stuff and I actually find it useful
I did a whole bunch of testing and it's like 10x better than ChatGPT 3 or 4

It is for sure a custom fine tuned version of either of those models

sweet rose
#

Ted Kaczynski was absolutely correct.

unreal ether
broken sigil
#

but we are 1 step closer

zinc matrix
#

well, despite the shady definition of what is public and what is not; if they make a paid product like GPT is doing, i just hope government eat their arms and legs

unreal ether
#

Tbf that would be a super useful thing. An AI assistant that learns your routine, so that it can flick the coffee pot on for you, or get the oven preheating for a meal

broken sigil
celest musk
#

your what?

zinc matrix
#

wow super hard scheduling some variables on a software

unreal ether
#

Hooks into google assistant and their littany of accessories.

zinc matrix
#

do we need a burning GPU analyzing our day for that

woven wing
unreal ether
#

Does it insult you as much as Deja does?

#

I think the only thing better than a useful AI code companion is a sarcastic useful AI code companion

broken sigil
broken sigil
woven wing
#

Because that's the part that I'm having the most trouble with, being new, and also the hardest part for AI to really help with

broken sigil
zinc matrix
#

cool technology tho but it just feel a layer above for people who have access

broken sigil
zinc matrix
#

we barely can afford computers to everyone and now some developed country people will gain access to worldwide data running on some GPU that some will never have 30% of their power

#

seriously, if the generative AI on music was good as a musician, would be so unfair with artists

#

there is not even a discussion

broken sigil
#

Fun fact, fp8 on a single 4090 has as much compute power as a supercomputer from 2008

unreal ether
#

I could see it being in them smart homes. But it would ahve to have sensors everywhere. Like sure you could say "at 8 flick the coffee on" because we can already do that. But to have something that knows "such and such has entered the bathroom, where they will be roughly 20 minutes, so I'll flick the coffee on in 15" sorta thing. Entirely lazy for the majority of people, and definitely rich people tech for the most part, but behavioural pattern recognition and repsonse could be leaps and bounds for accessibility.

zinc matrix
#

and i reason starting from the point they are training their data on those artists

zinc matrix
unreal ether
broken sigil
unreal ether
#

4090 is so overkill for gaming

zinc matrix
unreal ether
#

the most you realistically need today. and by realistically i mean 1440p 100fps is like a 3080.

broken sigil
#

You don't need 150B parameter model, a 7B model can compete with GPT3

woven wing
unreal ether
#

its like how an artist that knows how to use ai art to their advantage blows both out the water

zinc matrix
#

still, there is a freaking difference between a human and a machine on consuming and producing data

broken sigil
zinc matrix
#

and calling everything on internet public and prone to get into the weights is just being simplistic

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and not respecting people

unreal ether
#

honestly I think anything over 1080p ultra is a bit overkill. 1440p is nice, sure, but it's really not that much of a difference

woven wing
broken sigil
#

While UE implements proper pathtracing

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like offline renderers

woven wing
#

So closer to having like all movable lights with RT shadows and reflections?

broken sigil
#

I would be very surprised if they win

broken sigil
#

geometry is still normally rasterized

woven wing
#

Ahh

zinc matrix
#

what is a Thread user

#

😭

#

teeth brushing time

#

byeeeeeeeee

#

(i will not return for some time bunch of AI mother-flippers)

broken sigil
#

What I have noticed is that people who are not familiar with how language models work, what they actually are... are a lot more scared and dmissive of AI
Those knowing the inner workings of it, or at least the theory of how it works are a lot more accepting of it

#

Because if you aren't familiar with it, it looks like this big scary data munching black box

woven wing
#

I don't care how it works. I ask it questions and it gives me good enough answers faster than if I tried googling it

broken sigil
#

Fair 😅

woven wing
#

And that's plenty good enough for me

broken sigil
#

It isn't helping that media is intentionally blowing it way out of proportions

woven wing
#

To me, it's been an absolute game changer

broken sigil
#

The most amusing media stories are these doomsday, terminator style stories
Meantime AI doesn't even have persistence, it's completely stateless

woven wing
#

Like sure, the internet has basically everything that every human has learned since humanity started, but it's so hard to actually find info presented in a way I can understand it

broken sigil
unreal ether
#

Everyone I've met that says it's gonna take all of our jobs and kill us, believes its some kind of sentience, and vehemently denies it being a prediction model

#

there was one in here a while back

fleet tangle
#

Oh it will definitely kill us all

#

In maybe 50 years.

woven wing
#

But with AI, it kinda has like 90% the same info, but I can chat back and forth, have it break stuff down, have it explain stuff in different ways, I can explain my understanding to it and it can tell me where I'm wrong kinda stuff

fleet tangle
#

Just finish us off after climate change kills 99% of us.

unreal ether
#

that was just going on about how "its gonna take all your jobs and you're too scared to admit it, and that its so much more than a prediction model, because it understands the thing you're talking about"

unreal ether
broken sigil
#

😐

fleet tangle
#

Not the Earth. Only our bodies.

#

Matrix style.

woven wing
unreal ether
#

honestly id much rather die some cool robot uprising death than die of some disease we could probably cure in the 10 years after my death

broken sigil
#

And ever further from a murder machine

fleet tangle
#

What does B stand for again?

broken sigil
#

billion

fleet tangle
#

Oh. That was simple.

broken sigil
#

GPT3 is around 150 billion, requiring like 300GB of VRAM for inference at fp16

#

GPT4 is rumored to be around 1 trillion but not sure if it was confirmed

unreal ether
broken sigil
woven wing
#

I'm going to be so robophobic. "Mom, this is 1001010010, we're dating now" like hell no you're not

unreal ether
#

robophobia sounds like a game i'd play ngl

broken sigil
unreal ether
#

is that not similar to how neurons in a neural net function?

#

my knowledge is very rudimentary

#

doesnt help that they cancelled the ai elective at uni which i was very much looking forward to

fleet tangle
#

Neural nets (human) are binary, discrete not continous.

#

Computer neural nets are actually better.

unreal ether
#

ahh

broken sigil
# unreal ether is that not similar to how neurons in a neural net function?

Sort of yeah
Tho the concept of neurons is a bit misleading when talking about more complicated networks like LLMs
While yes it has feed forward networks that are your typical neuron based networks there is a lot more going on inside, like multihead attention that's a big part of it
It's not your traditional neuron based network but still has trainable weights so it's ML

#

Multi head attention being the layers that quite literally pay attention to input tokens and how they relate

unreal ether
#

Do you work with ML professionally or is it just a hobby thing?

broken sigil
woven wing
#

Question. Would it be efficiently possible pretrain AI to use for stuff like a relatively basic enemy AI? Like FEAR level, or is too heavy for that

unreal ether
#

pretty sure there are already games that use super basic ML for stuff like that iirc

broken sigil
#

You could totally have "learning" agents in game

woven wing
#

I don't know anything about it, but curious if I should add it to my list of "Things I should learn"

broken sigil
#

5.2 has added a ML framework

fleet tangle
#

And AI that plays games.

unreal ether
#

I've definitely played a couple of games where the enemies adapt to your playstyle to give you more of a challenge

fleet tangle
#

Like if you take a popular game, for instance chess or, idk, starcraft.

#

You feel every single game ever played into an AI, it will be able to play.

#

And beat everyone.

woven wing
#

Yeah, but I mostly see that as like a "player replacement AI" kinda stuff like botting, and less like "there's 10 doods powered by my lightweight AI trying to kill you"

fleet tangle
#

FWIW chess masters play chess just like AIs do. They remember games played beforehand and which situations/moves lead to victory and apply them to the current situation.

broken sigil
#

You could technically like pre train "fighting" agents that have been trained in thousands of example scenarios and it could perform well in any environment you put it in

zinc wagon
unreal ether
#

I think most famously Alien Isolation uses machine learning for it's AI, and thats an old one

broken sigil
#

we are gonna be seeing it more and more

zinc wagon
#

one of the best AI example i could think of that beats alien isolation is the sims

unreal ether
#

Alien Isloation is one of the bet crafted horror experiences I have played.
Like if you avoid the vents it hangs above, then it will do that less often, and instead pop out randomly more often.
If it keeps catching you in lockers, and you keep hiding there, then it will automatically hunt lockers.
If you keep repelling it with a flamethrower as a get out of jail free card, it gets used to the fire and eventually runs through it and kills you.

zinc wagon
#

tho ig you cant really call that machine learning?

zinc wagon
unreal ether
#

It honestly has the best ai in a game that I have ever seen, because no matter how often you play it, the enemy is always a threat.

unreal ether
woven wing
#

"Machine learning is when you smash matrices together" is what my brain has done

zinc wagon
unreal ether
#

You could be a master of the hardest difficulty, but unless you frequently switch playstyle, which is very hard, it will always be a threat. You can never be safe in that game, and there is no crutch to rely on

#

Genuinely should have won game of the year every year since it launched, because no game since has come close to the experience it provides

zinc wagon
#

didnt they annouce a sequal to that game a while back?

#

what happend to it?

woven wing
#

Tunic was the biggest snub ever, not winning Indie of the Year last year because cat game

zinc wagon
woven wing
#

The whole finding the pages of the game manual and experimenting and trying to figure out how to play.

fleet tangle
unreal ether
#

The only reason i finished the game was because there was a promise of Resident Evil 8 up for grabs, if i streamed the whole game for my friend's sadistic amusement.
Otherwise I would have chickened out. Truly a horrifying game. I've never fault so unsafe playing a horror game. It's just so atmospheric. Most other horror titles are like "phew that was scary. least i know not to do that again." or, "that was a good jumpscare, wonder when the enxt one will be", but Alien: Isolation is the only game that kept me completely on edge the entire time, even when the alien was not possibly a threat, because for story reasons it wasn't present. That's how good it is. You're still scared of it even when they say you don't have to be :P

woven wing
#

Tunic is like they distilled that feeling of sitting in the back seat of the car, looking at the book of a new game you bought being excited to try all the new things out

unreal ether
#

good news :D

#

I cannot wait

#

it might be the only game i preorder

zinc wagon
unreal ether
zinc wagon
#

so you can lead them to the alien and have it distracted for a while

unreal ether
#

that was the only thing that kept me alive, using the other humans as bait to keep myself safe.

zinc wagon
#

I wonder how they could've improved on the AI?

woven wing
#

Scary games 💀

unreal ether
#

probably with a hell of a lot of advancements in ai.

#

Having the alien be even smarter would be a pretty good concept.

zinc wagon
#

more tools to distract the alien would awsome as well

#

and jumpscares. like the existing ones are scary but they're too few imo. it kinda got boring at the end

unreal ether
#

yeah. it would be cruel. But it would be good to see an alien that behaves more accurately to the movie. Not something you can scare away with a flamethrower for half the game before it learns to not be scared of it. A really great part would be more sequences where you're forced and boxed in with it, like the medbay.

#

the medbay was the most terrifying part of that game

#

although honestly for me they wouldnt even need to improve on it

#

just a sequel would be great

#

updated to have graphics in line with the modern times

zinc wagon
#

'twas pretty funny

#

the last time i played it was on my old xbox 360

#

i should replay it

#

i've got it on epic games store for free.

unreal ether
#

||medbay was one of the sequences where the alien was constantly roaming. no safety from the events, you had to sneak around it and hope to god you didnt touch it's tail. It wasn't a difficult section, it was just the mental challenge and the atmospheric difficulties for me.||

zinc wagon
#

||my tactic was to chase it until it hid on a vent, reload the flamethrower and get closer to my objective, repeat 😄||

fleet tangle
zinc wagon
#

||isnt that the sequence that made you force the alien into a space shutle? that ending twist was insane! that genually crashed me for a good week 😅||

rare sparrow
#

They were so close to greatness

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zinc wagon
fleet tangle
#

||What's the ending twist?||

zinc wagon
#

i doubt they went that route

fleet tangle
#

Basically AI difficulty is "should I make the right move in this situation? roll dice"

#

100% difficulty = always the right move. 0% = always the wrong move.

zinc wagon
zinc wagon
zinc wagon
unreal ether
#

||when you purge the reactor they all scatter||

unreal ether
zinc wagon
#

hmmm i forgot about that sequence. i should replay that game again 😄

unreal ether
#

you really should

#

so good

#

||I really liked after the reactor purge, when you are captured by the alien and hung in the nest, and after that the whole ship is nesitified and facehuggers are a constant threat. I really like that sort of world building and it really helped build the atmosphere of "we are all doomed, there is no hope".||

zinc wagon
#

||face huggers!||

#

that opened a core memory for me lol. there was an old alien game in the style of doom

#

those pesty things always managed to kill me lmao

broken sigil
zinc wagon
#

the game's so good it does not deserve to be spoiled

zinc wagon
broken sigil
zinc wagon
#

dw you'll have fun

broken sigil
#

I heard a lot of good stuff about it

zinc wagon
#

i bet you did lol

broken sigil
#

lol

broken sigil
fleet tangle
#

For the CS lovers.

unborn lotus
#

first 10 minutes of aliens dark descent are pretty cool

silk lily
fleet tangle
#

There are apps you can get for your phone too where you have to engage your brain by solving puzzles and shit to turn off the alarm.

celest musk
#

good to have a phone with removable battery

pearl elk
#

Who builds lighting anymore

fathom wadi
#

God

cursive crypt
pearl elk
fleet tangle
#

Poor cat!

proud jay
#

I mean the box it is in looks kinda expensive

#

probably not all that poor

unreal ether
#

I mean the cat itself probably is

woven wing
unreal ether
#

I haven't seen many cats with a stable income

woven wing
#

It ended up like inside a jacket pocket that was hanging up

cursive crypt
#

Cats have income, their host.

proud jay
unreal ether
#

staples make awful food. They're all spiky and metallic

#

Why are cats such assholes 🤣

#

Never actually seen that full gif before and damn

#

Case in point

cursive crypt
#

lol

dull thorn
hollow dawn
#

which news did i memeify?

woven wing
#

Alright everyone, enough goofing around, get back to work before I have to fire you

unborn lotus
#

Ive been working non stop, can I get a raise?

cursive crypt
#

No, you get more work.

unreal ether
#

🥳

pearl elk
#

More hours for the same pay

#

With the occasional puff up from from middle management

hollow dawn
#

if only we would get a gym, or a personal trainer at least

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deep glen
#

its funny, but I am starting to appreciate Horse Seeman more every day

hollow dawn
#

"no boss, i dont need unreal atm, it only degenerates our graphics cards, windows paint does the job"

#

@deep glen horse seeman might not grow on you, but you can get a refill 😗

deep glen
#

its def. growing on me XD

woven wing
#

I could see Horse Seeman really catching

#

Soon you might see Horse Seeman all over the world

pearl elk
#

Well Bull Seeman took off

empty dune
#

Horse what now? 💀

narrow vortex
hollow dawn
unreal ether
#

BoJack horseman at home:

hollow dawn
#

are they related? how are they related? do they know that they are related? lets find out! in Horse Celebrities and their relatives, are they inbreds and do they know?

proud jay
#

I was a horse seeman fan from day one

#

I still wonder what his occupation is though

hollow dawn
#

lets look into the experts handbook and horse guide, from germany, they make sophisticated science

wendy.jpg
proud jay
#

rip

#

our architect just sent us a bill

#

poor af

hollow dawn
#

well... Bo Jack HM is the rightful son of a quarterhorse and an arabian princess,
H Seeman is afaik the rightful son of a shire and a quarterhorse,
but...
according to wikipedia regarding quarterhorses:
"One of the most famous of these early imports was Janus, a Thoroughbred who was the grandson of the Godolphin Arabian. "
and here we have it...

#

so its likely that horsemans dad married his grand grand grand cousin... who is also the a greatgreataunt of seeman... or somin, those german scientists are hard to translate

hollow dawn
# proud jay poor af

hopefully you got a proper house at least.. seen some crazy shit if no arch was involved -.-
windows? just glue this plass panel into that hole in the wall!
a roof? heres a bucket of silicon paint mate!

#

that apartments gonna easily go for 3k a week!

#

and you feel like "dude... but... dude... seriously.... cmon... fuck me....whatever...."

unborn lotus
proud jay
hollow dawn
#

it a fuck annoying job mate, only 10% or so are the fun design part... rest is calculations, bills, complaints, phonecalls, driving round and standing in mud

proud jay
#

I just wish houses weren't as expensive

hollow dawn
#

the building mat etc are the prob atm, like 5times or so the usual price

proud jay
#

has horse seeman ever tried to become an architect?

proud jay
#

already gonna cost me like 600k

hollow dawn
#

yikes... we wanted to do the roof and building manager was like "easy, we can get 30k no probs"... i was like... wait a minute... lets calculate that... -.- yeah... fuck it for now XD

#

gotta hold!

#

its a tough roof, i hope, it honestly aint, but hope u know, believeeeee

proud jay
#

luckily it is for the whole house and not just the roof

#

it is quite a big boi

unborn lotus
hollow dawn
#

college? mine are gonna work the carpet knitting as soon as they have hands

proud jay
#

this is the front side

image.png
#

I dig it

#

luckily

hollow dawn
#

oh a restauration lol...

proud jay
#

hater

#

it's a new house

hollow dawn
#

i luv it, just more expensive cause regulations

unborn lotus
#

you goota post the floor plans too now

hollow dawn
#

oh really?

proud jay
#

we're building the house yeah

#

atm it looks like that

#

grass

hollow dawn
#

yeah 600 sounds bout right, not too expensive actually atm

#

seen worse lol

proud jay
#

well, 21% of it is taxes

#

thanks government

#

for nothing

hollow dawn
#

lol ye -.-

#

while shipping pays 1%

#

and arms actually get subsidies lol

unborn lotus
proud jay
#

you used to be able to subtract your home loan from your taxes as expenses partially

#

of course they got rid of that

#

except for second homes 🙃

#

Logic

hollow dawn
#

XD nice shit haha

unborn lotus
#

we have some okay subsidies - 10k for an electric car if you recycle your old one (10 years plus) and only 5% VAT for homes under 120k euros

proud jay
#

what homes exist under 120k though

hollow dawn
#

these days?

proud jay
#

unless you're like in easern europe maybe

unborn lotus
#

80% of apartments

hollow dawn
unborn lotus
hollow dawn
#

now you made us curious yo

proud jay
#

cheapest appartment in the city I'm building I could find is 239k

#

90sq meters

unborn lotus
#

2500euros/sqm?

hollow dawn
#

math? go away lol

unborn lotus
#

that's not far off from most expensive cities here (in Eastern Europe)

#

we're not so poor anymore sadly lol. these days we have immigrants working the menial jobs

#

house prices are whack too

hollow dawn
#

2,5 aint really expnsive for bratwursthausen

proud jay
#

I heard property in Ukraine is quite affordable atm

hollow dawn
#

ya but you cant get rubels due to "laws"

proud jay
hollow dawn
#

dunno, if i build somin i build somin new that works and then fancy it up, not that much into repeating old styles, even thou i think some of them are beautiful

proud jay
#

I hate modern style

hollow dawn
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bauhaus 1920s basics all the way i guess for realistic stuff

proud jay
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all just ugly friggin blocks

hollow dawn
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hehe

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ya, the trick is to make nice blocks

woven wing
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Yall can afford houses!?

proud jay
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that's impossible

hollow dawn
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check mies van der rohe as the prolly sexiest housing dude of the bunch

proud jay
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people have been complementing my SIL's house a lot for being so beautiful, it's literally a block with one part taken out

hollow dawn
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and make a biiiig wide circle around le corbusier

unborn lotus
hollow dawn
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that was prolly a freaky time in general with al the tech advances

unborn lotus
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no one appreciates them 😦

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hollow dawn
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dafuq

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atrocious lol

proud jay
unborn lotus
hollow dawn
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yes! they melt with the landscape and focus on you in the environment

proud jay
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those are not houses man, those are display cases

hollow dawn
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like a hobbit house

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yeah personally i like me some proper walls

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i agree

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but a huge glass front towards some bushes and a lawn or even a waterfall is just sexy

woven wing
proud jay
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our entire side of the lower floor is gonna be glas

woven wing
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$300k for a house, or $10k to build one out of dirt

unborn lotus
hollow dawn
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well its not like in those youtube survival videos lol

woven wing
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Omg, that's such a beautiful layout

proud jay
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or at least big parts

woven wing
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I hate big open spaces

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I love everything being a nook

proud jay
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this is side view at the garden side

unborn lotus
woven wing
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111 years of compounding interest will do that

proud jay
hollow dawn
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its also darn much work to keep some dirt house alive through rain, winter, summer, rainworms and such

proud jay
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just use wood like the muricans

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and be surprised it blows away with the wind

hollow dawn
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middle earth people were piss poor, even that fricking dragon only had like 40billion in gold, hapag lloyed makes that as net gain in 3yrs, and then some

woven wing
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To be fair, we get the worst wind

hollow dawn
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and that dragon took millenias for it

hollow dawn
proud jay
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like videos of people smashing through walls wtf

hollow dawn
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tbf you can do that with most walls in europe too

proud jay
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maybe you can do that with gyproc

hollow dawn
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just not the structural ones as easily

proud jay
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real chad have only structural walls

hollow dawn
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even a shitty one layer brick wall you can kinda kick in with some motivation

unborn lotus
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a one layer brick wall can probably fall by itself lol

hollow dawn
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nah float style houses like those american ones are descent tbh, look at sweden etc, they last long enough usually and dont cost a fortune, mats were available etc, thing with the states is just that they fucked up their environment so badly that tornados now wreck the lands... see "dustbowl" and check some images what the fricking mad max they did to the whole middle of the usa

woven wing
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We've always had tornados

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Dustbowl stuff is different

unborn lotus
hollow dawn
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new york is rome lat

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but they got no alps

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their mountains are north south hence they get shit cold winds

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and between apalachians and rockies theres a huge plains area

woven wing
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Like impossibly flat

hollow dawn
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natives used to burn trees to stimulate grass growth and wild herding... then euros came, fucked up the regulated system, erosion, more erosion, dustbowl, and now tornados... simply put... as far as i understand

unborn lotus
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and lawns

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immaculate lawns with no insects 😞

hollow dawn
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english lawns are so accurate, awesome

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no insects is due to fumigation, they poisongas the bushes, cause evil spiders and such

woven wing
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Tornados aren't from there being no trees

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There hasn't been trees in the plains for like thousands of years

hollow dawn
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no but due to temp differences clashing

unborn lotus
woven wing
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Lawns are so dumb, tho

empty dune
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spiders are not friends

hollow dawn
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there were cultivated oak trees for example and even native grass does hold the soil, not al grass is like english lawn, fragile and sensitive, some is like horizontal underground bamboo

empty dune
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they are not food either

unborn lotus
empty dune
unborn lotus
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I keep spiders around the house to take care of insects

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win-win-win

hollow dawn
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spiders protect you from evil mosquitos and such

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theres a reason why we have a superhero called spiderman

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cause spiders are heroes and save us daily

unborn lotus
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and they're cute

hollow dawn
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with their 8 eyes

empty dune
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well, all i can say to your well reasoned arguments is......PURGE

hollow dawn
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like even cows only have two cute eyes

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spiders > cows cause more cute eyes

unborn lotus
empty dune
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cows creep me out man. im convinced those fuckers are not from this planet