lounge

[fathom wadi]

I'm not a violent man, but when violent people threaten you, you have to fight fire with fire sometimes.

[carmine frigate]

tough guy when he is in a group of friends holding a knife against a lil girl... not so much when i walk past his mum and start beatin the shit out of him

[unborn lotus]

Theft like that was super common, not so much now. A neighbour pushed his kid through an open window in the stairwell of our house in order to steal from the basement...or kids jumping the fence inside. Weird it hasn't happened in a ton of years

[carmine frigate]

bit weird if you steal like that from ur own neighbourhood

[fathom wadi]

reminds of a time when I was forced to do a burglary by the gang that bullied me. They tried to force me into a second one but I threw a screwdriver they made me carry into a garden and ran away. They followed me to my house and broke the window to try get in. When my parents got home they made me goto the police to tell them what happened. They were arrested and did a couple of months time. When they got out my older brother hunted them down. He caught one in a shop, dragged him out by his neck, practically slaughtered him in the street and put the fear of god into him. Bear in mind, my brother is a war hero. He had extremely good tolerance, but when faced with me being turned into a criminal and his mother's house being attacked, he had to do something or they would have carried on.

[carmine frigate]

yea its more easy to handle stuff that happens too urself

[fathom wadi]

my story was so close to becoming the plot from Dead Man's Shoes that it triggers me to watch the movie, even though it's a masterpiece.

[worldly mesa]

maya is basically the worst piece of software i've ever had the displeasure of using. /rant

[carmine frigate]

blender....

[unborn lotus]

I concur

[carmine frigate]

it comes with a free cube

[fathom wadi]

I quit maya to use Blender and was happy 🙂

[worldly mesa]

indeed

[unborn lotus]

I have to use Maya for work 😔

[carmine frigate]

i never used maya.... blender fit all my needs.. im no pro tho

[fathom wadi]

I had used 3dsm for years before maya tho. So moving to maya was confusing a little. Then by the time I was used to Maya, I tried Blender and forgot about Autodesk completely

[worldly mesa]

very sorry ^^^

[carmine frigate]

cant they let you use whatever you want?

[unborn lotus]

Maya from like 2017 was even more horrendous...at least now it has some cool features

[fathom wadi]

pipelines for maya often take precedence in preference

[unborn lotus]

I can, but I have to deliver scenes in Maya..and export files

With their plugins

[carmine frigate]

well whatever workflow works best i guess

made anything cool? pics 🙂

[unborn lotus]

Im not allowed to lol...and already 4 years of work with nothing to show for

Except the money I made spent

[carmine frigate]

I made this... you can still see the blender cube! 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti8eABDNQ4

i guess im a bit better now... and that was old blender... 2.7 something

blender 3 is way better

[worldly mesa]

yeah., blender did not really get 'mainstream' for me until they started updating the UI for like, 2.8 or 2.9. 3.x is nearly usable! 🙂

[fathom wadi]

yeah I hated my first use of Blender with 2.7. It was like using a 3d version of GIMP. When 2.8 hit I was all in

[carmine frigate]

yea 2.8 was soo much better

goin back to 2.7 would be horror for me

[worldly mesa]

i wonder if they will continue major UI updates for 4, or if this is it for a while (probably the latter)

indeed ^^

[carmine frigate]

dunno... lol i never boot blender a 2nd time i download the latest

[fathom wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTHU7JavCY first character I made in Blender. I finished it off and never sold it. Dunno why.

that doesn't show the actual quality of the final product. it was in editor so the outlines don't look right

[carmine frigate]

that mouth wave is dope, no idea how u did that

[fathom wadi]

sine wave managed by rig empties

or bones

[carmine frigate]

shader?

[fathom wadi]

I used both for different things

yeah

[carmine frigate]

ahh cool

[fathom wadi]

the eyes was a spritesheet I navigate with a 9-slice based on bone position

the eye position was based on the front rig handle (looks like a peanut) so I could have more control

pretty standard stuff for a 2d face rig really. I was gonna do the other characters too but got sidetracked into some Hair Groom modelling

[carmine frigate]

ahh i havent tried too much of that

mantaflow is super dope tho

well a lot of the new stuff is super dope, i havent done that much unreal or blender lately

[fathom wadi]

me neither. Been looking for a new home. Without any luck. But this weekend with the release of UEFN I've been learning Verse and teaching the kids how to use it. And for no apparent reason except she wrote her own IP, my wife started to learn Unreal 4 :/

[carmine frigate]

yea, was wondering if i should try that

[fathom wadi]

might have to apply for a mega grant just to fund my family's unreal usage. I mean there are 5 of us using it now.

[carmine frigate]

bet doin those tutorials might get a ton of views if you make em

[fathom wadi]

6 more kids and I can register as a studio

[carmine frigate]

aiming to make somekind of mod?

[fathom wadi]

well the kids are just learning what they can. so fortnite interests them as they played it for years. My wife is a horror movie critic in her spare time, so she made an IP for a whole horror themed universe like Stephen King did with Maine.

[carmine frigate]

any way to monetize?... dont think that whole support a creator will bring in a decent amount of cash

prolly more money in making youtube tuts... but than you can prolly make more by doin tuts on where to find what for missions or some shit 😛

[fathom wadi]

she doesn't want to monetize the IP, she just wants to visualise it. She would make little parts of it in The Sims and other stuff like that. So for years I've said use UE4 and she finally decided to.
As for UEFN, it's a gold rush so it's going to be a content overload of crap until the quality is fine tuned out of it. Those people will persistently earn so that's great. Tutorials too for sure. Learning Verse via videos is a requirement for some learning ability methods so I guess people will be hungry for those.

But the documentation on the website is nothing to be sniffed at either. They did a good job getting that much info even though some things changed along the way.

[carmine frigate]

well you should have a big advantage over ppl just starting

[fathom wadi]

Yeah I'm trying to relay that advantage over to my kids though. As much as I'd like to exploit this situation and earn as much as I can from it, I also want to earn more than trickle income.

[carmine frigate]

ive seen tutorials from ppl using the engine for a month or 2 basically copy some1 else his youtube tutorial and saying horrible bad practice

[fathom wadi]

yes I've been in several arguments with people recently who have blatently copied a tutorial from 6-12 months earlier, and they copy things like deprecated code and use methods that were just fixes in the first place.

yet they are trying to monetize that

[carmine frigate]

well ive talked too some ppl... not 100ks of views but they still got some decent money... nothing too sneeze at

[fathom wadi]

at the cost of a personal sense of honour, money isn't that important to me. I'd rather promote the previous tutorial and add my own flavour, at the very minimum make it something new.

[carmine frigate]

ow yea... if you makesomething based on some1s paper.. should totally include links... that wil also save questions

i think if you are persistent and put in the effort it could pay off

could ask MathewW hes done tons and tons of smll vids

[fathom wadi]

yeah it paid off more in his position at Epic than the revenue from YT really there tho I presume 🙂

[carmine frigate]

yea, i really dont know

i just showed my only youtube vid and it never got many views 😛

tut on how i made it with blender character and unreal tag might have gotten loads

[bleak remnant]

thanks, i needed this

[carmine frigate]

np, i also have an itchpage with some games 🙂

https://owninator.itch.io/

totally recommend I am Boris and Gamey Mcgameface

ownreal editor is kinda broken i think.. firebase got some changes and never took the time to fix it

lol just played gamey 😛

Gratz @proud jay for top10 highscore 😄

damn that game still makes me laugh

[proud jay]

BORIS

[carmine frigate]

yea... when i submitted that I allmost died laughing... knowing some judges from epic were gunna play that 😛

wonder if they made it too the part where they puked on eachother

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodsport-jean-claude-van-damme-bricks-crushing-bricks-gif-17691480

[fathom wadi]

that's like chaos physics when you add too many anchors and try knock it down 😄

[sturdy citrus]

This is hilarious

[fathom wadi]

it is funnier than cats tho

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-memes-gif-25643419

[fleet tangle]

Cat Plissken?

[primal summit]

cat looks perturbed

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pacific-rim-walking-white-cat-funny-gif-5619863

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/anthem-game-anthem-storm-storm-suit-up-iron-man-gif-22759075

[torn zenith]

@tribal geyser Hello, I wanted to ask about something, and it has personal information

[tribal geyser]

Not quite following, ask me about something or the community?

[torn zenith]

It's about someone from here who scammed me, after hiring me, I think you should know that to keep scammers out, right?

[tribal geyser]

Feel free to dm me about it and I'll bring it up with the other mods

[torn zenith]

ok I sent to you

[ancient ingot]

☕

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/running-water-parched-pouring-water-water-for-everyone-clean-water-for-everyone-gif-21059015

[ancient ingot]

Gusher!!

[ancient ingot]

not even 9am and the engine is crashing on me 😡

[pearl elk]

poor engine, its just trying to do its thing and youre giving it crashy code

[ancient ingot]

lol nope, not me this time, im trying to migrate over the lyra animations and it just shits itself

[cursive crypt]

There are so much issues 😩

[ancient ingot]

😭

[pearl elk]

well theres your issue, lyra

[ancient ingot]

what is this shootercore plugin ? is that meat to be the ACTUAL framework we can use independant of the lyra example ?

[pearl elk]

shootercore is the core of the shooter

[ancient ingot]

so unhelpful lol

[pearl elk]

shootercore is a new genre of music

it takes hardcore, gabba and trap and blends it with a smooth Seattle jazz

[ancient ingot]

😂 behave

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/music-puppy-dog-blues-jazz-gif-13188423

I think its just a way for them to use game features plugins to separate the shooter stuff out, not that it really splits out much of the shooter mechanics

[ancient ingot]

i mean if you wanted to you could rip out the AI stuff, but so much of it relies on the other lyra stuff its practically useless

[pearl elk]

Modular gameplay will always have that same issue, its more about the development speed and the developers choices than the ability to make modular systems

[tulip orbit]

Whoops. Thought I'd try out the "Build minimap" option in the build menu..... ran for about 4 min before I decided to hit stop... its been stopping for another 5min

[ancient ingot]

😂 pleb

[ancient ingot]

i dont do modular lol

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/dewey-duck-ducktales2017-ducktales-disney-sky-pirates-in-the-sky-gif-22411642

[pearl elk]

Epic were trying to demonstrate how you can do minigames or switch modes dynamically

I think it just ends up confusing alot of people and adding alot of boilerplate for abstractions which dont need to exist in most projects

[ancient ingot]

yep id go with that

@rancid root we got a spammerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-intensifies-yum-gif-13948300

[ancient ingot]

every time 😡

[pearl elk]

You have a bug in an AnimBP

[ancient ingot]

not my animbp thats lyras

im just doing Migrate > Animations

[pearl elk]

same engine versions?

[ancient ingot]

yep, not sure whats up with it, ill try copying them via explorer, i dont need any of the data in the anim anyway just the anim itself

[pearl elk]

heh this is funny, this is in a check()

[tulip orbit]

ok, took about 10min to stop. now I dont have a minimap at all

[pearl elk]

you got a megamap

[ancient ingot]

😂 mega memory map instead? 😛

[tulip orbit]

not really. playable size is the 2kmx2km default

I'm still learning world partition and how to do all this stuff

[ancient ingot]

ahh then you shouldnt have had an issue creating a minimap 2x2 is tiny

[pearl elk]

check(ParentAnimClass->GetSparseClassDataStruct());

[tulip orbit]

oh not even...

[rancid root]

If you want moderation please use: right click -> Apps -> Report to Moderators
If not possible tag the moderators. Not just one of us.

[ancient ingot]

ooo

@rancid root okies fella 🙂

[tulip orbit]

one of us, one of us

[rancid root]

Makes it easier for us to track what's going on :)

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[ancient ingot]

@tulip orbit if you have it try journeymans minimap

[pearl elk]

It looks like youre missing a struct which Lyra anims need

[tulip orbit]

right now I was trying to get an update of the minimap in the world partition window. Just fiddling around really.

[ancient ingot]

ahh okies, when i migrated i got rid of anything that wasn't an anim, guess it didnt like that

ohhhhh oopse

[pearl elk]

yeah I dunno if its BP struct or in a .h

[ancient ingot]

World Partition is aswesome

ill check now

[tulip orbit]

it would be awesome, if I knew what I was doing with it. how to use it efficiently/properly

it also seems I built my town centered on a WP grid line, instead of in the middle of a grid square, Dunno if thats going to affect streaming down the road

[ancient ingot]

hehe keep playing, thats how i learnt it

[fluid bloom]

it's a fucken blizzard outside

[ancient ingot]

struct FFrame;
struct FGameplayTag;
struct FGameplayTagContainer;

[pearl elk]

Thats the Tag plugin

[ancient ingot]

is it standard practice to forward declare all your classes at the start of a header file ?

[pearl elk]

It could be a missing plugin, might wanna cross check that

[ancient ingot]

ill check the BP's

[fluid bloom]

I would say so. Forward declare anything you can

[pearl elk]

if you look in lyras uproject it'll show all the enabled plugins

[tulip orbit]

question, so in my town, I have a bunch of NPCs going around doing their thing, say my player walks out of range, and half the town is unloaded, and so a BP that the NPC is trying to reference isnt loaded, will that throw errors? or the NPC will just go idle till the rest of the town is loaded?

or with my Player shop, I have a furnace that smelts ore with a timer. furnace gets unloaded cause the player wanders off, is the state saved automatically? or when it loads back in, the state is reset?

[ancient ingot]

that is a fuck ton of plugins lol

[ancient ingot]

that may well throw an error, but im not too good with AI

[pearl elk]

Im guessing that anim motion warping Epic raves on about

Animation Locomotion Library

and nope, no anim warping

[ancient ingot]

ok so im just gonna do what i said yesterday, crack on with the course but your the Lyra anims instead on the AnimStarterPack shite, just need to get rid of the montages etc etc

[pearl elk]

Youre gonna install Angelscript and give up C++ for good you say 😛

[ancient ingot]

lemme get ths course done first, i need the code to start my proper project

[pearl elk]

ask chatgpt

[ancient ingot]

haha itll prolly come back with php or something silly

[fiery locust]

Hey there 👋 - any news about an active Twinmotion-Discord-Community?

[tulip orbit]

huh, well with the default settings, running to one of the far edges of my map, I'm only like 3cells out, and my entire world as it is is loaded...

loading about 4-5cells past my town I think, from the other edge

[ancient ingot]

what do you have loading range set to ?

[pearl elk]

#include "MyActor.h"
#include "Components/StaticMeshComponent.h"

AMyActor::AMyActor()
{
    // Create a new static mesh component and attach it to the root component
    MeshComponent = CreateDefaultSubobject<UStaticMeshComponent>(TEXT("Mesh"));
    RootComponent = MeshComponent;

    // Load a static mesh from file and set it as the mesh for the component
    static ConstructorHelpers::FObjectFinder<UStaticMesh> MeshAsset(TEXT("/Game/StarterContent/Shapes/Shape_Sphere.Shape_Sphere"));
    if (MeshAsset.Succeeded())
    {
        MeshComponent->SetStaticMesh(MeshAsset.Object);
    }
}```

[ancient ingot]

fuck...

[tulip orbit]

its set to the default of the open world map? cell size of 25600, loading range of 76800

[ancient ingot]

hmm those values should be ok as a start, have epic gone and fucked it up again :/

[storm lark]

heyo, nope i haven't found one

[fiery locust]

Damn. I don't get it – where are people exchanging there twinmotion stuff? The official forum on the website is kind of dead.

[storm lark]

ay, i just want a place for quickfire chat

[tulip orbit]

K, so I halved the default numbers, still a pretty huge area. But I did manage to discover that if I run back in town, the NPCs sit idle, because of the way I've set them up I think, cause once I was in town, they went to their job when it updated the hour (when it checks for work)

[storm lark]

like how can i ever control my movie camera's acceleration

[tulip orbit]

and it was loading the world landscape oddly, there were sections that were loaded, but they must be part of the HLOD system which I havent rebuilt

[cursive crypt]

Just try and look what will happen. The refs I mean. At worst it will break, but I doubt it. They will still hang around in the memory.

Which is also bad 🙂

[tulip orbit]

yeah, I'm gonna have to do some more testing. I think I might make me a vehicle so I can drive out of range faster

[cursive crypt]

Streaming is a PITA on its own.

Imagine when your navmesh starts to break.

[pearl elk]

dynamic navmesh gen

then when you get out of range you just simulate approximations and use that data when you pull everything back in as you come back within range

[tulip orbit]

oh god, yeah thanks for reminding me.... at some point I'm going to have to learn how to have a navmesh on a huge world 😓

[ancient ingot]

since when did "Bulk Edit Via Property Matrix" crash the editor 😐 ?

[pearl elk]

its too bulky

[ancient ingot]

😂

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x00000000000001a0

FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

[pearl elk]

so many zeros

[ancient ingot]

to many

wont even work with 1

thats kinda fucked up

[pearl elk]

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/3-s2.0-B9780081029084001752-f00175-01-9780081029084.jpg

but how

[ancient ingot]

🫦

[fluid bloom]

client's CTO: "make the conversion method into an interface + implementation and then add the interface to the startup configuration so it can be injected via dependency injection by the runtime"

me: "why not just make a static function?"

I wish people kept things simple

[cursive crypt]

KISS is hard actually

[fiery locust]

yeah I feel you

[tulip orbit]

Keep It Silly Stupid

[zinc matrix]

I watched some videos about quantum computing and they said main advantages of quantum computing is its ability to perform certain types of calculations much faster than classical computers.
Do you guys think quantum computer will impact the field of AI?

[tulip orbit]

I took a break to have some food, and watched some vids about making hover vehicles.... now I've forgotten what i was doing, and tired.

[cursive crypt]

Mondays be like

[tulip orbit]

pretty much my every day

[cursive crypt]

Everyday is Monday. Fantastic.

[tulip orbit]

yup

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/workout-rat-motivation-gif-20025326

[fluid bloom]

it has snowed like 10 cm today

[tulip orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/nanka-lazy-work-motivation-painting-gif-14905039

[fluid bloom]

goddamn it

[tulip orbit]

thats a lot of snow. we had about 2cm, but its mostly melted

[cursive crypt]

Snow be an wonder in 50 years

[fluid bloom]

snowapocalypse in Helsinki

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/mondays-garfield-gif-19914804

[fiery locust]

I made a thread / call for an official Discord server in the twinmotion forum. Maybe someone responds ... not

[cursive crypt]

Got curious and: const_cast<> is used 1713 times in UE 🎉

[fleet tangle]

You could say it's used constantly.

[pearl elk]

As opposed to a dynamic cast?

[cursive crypt]

92 times

[ancient ingot]

well feck me backwards with a hedgehog UE Launcher will not change the Vaultcache location for love nor money

[fleet tangle]

Is that even in the UE code? Surely that's an external lib.

[ancient ingot]

Multiplayer in its current state is unstable and should not be used. Support cannot be provided for it. There's no guarantee this will improve in future releases```

got to love seeing that on a MULTIPLAYER plugin 😂

[fleet tangle]

Lol

Which?

[ancient ingot]

Voxel

https://wiki.voxelplugin.com/Multiplayer

so rather than oh i dont know, remove the example (so people that are blind can fuck thesemselves over for a few days) they leave it there lol

[cursive crypt]

UE code ofc, excluding 3rd party code

[fleet tangle]

Dyanmic_cast is disabled, though!

[cursive crypt]

uuuh, no?

It is just a predefined macro (lol) which fallbacks to native one.

Or does Cast

[ancient ingot]

o macros are fun, i followed one yesterday for ages!

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-nose-ice-age-squirrel-scrat-gif-5937862

[ancient ingot]

it went something like this, peek definition > peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition> peek definition

[sweet rose]

Why are mods removing Server Home

[broken sigil]

We aren't, discord is

[ancient ingot]

Dam you Discord 😡

[broken sigil]

It's going away in general, not just this server

[ancient ingot]

hi BM ❤️

anyone here used Voxel Farm with Unreal ?

[cursive crypt]

Werent they long gone

[ancient ingot]

thought so too, but they can stay long gone for $995 a year lol

[cursive crypt]

At some point they oriented themselves more toward the Mining industry.

I'm surprised they still keep around the UE

[ancient ingot]

ye thats what uingine did too

so apparently the dude on the voxel plugin site said if i have networking experience i should be able to make it work in MP 😐

[cursive crypt]

It is a good tech, but they have pretty low interest in small devs and entertainment in general.

You can, there was one famous MMO using voxelfarm

[ancient ingot]

I want to have a space > planet surface solution, seems like voxels is the way to go, i dont want to fake it with a sphere and weird transitions

[celest musk]

well, if you have networking experience you can for sure rollup your own solution 😄

[fleet tangle]

I mean dynamic_cast which is definitely disabled by the UE compiler.

[ancient ingot]

i dont have THAT much experience lol i'm still a dunce 😛

[cursive crypt]

And what do you think I'm talking about? It is not disabled.

[fleet tangle]

I'm not sure how dynamic_cast triggers Cast then.

[cursive crypt]

It is forwarded.

[fleet tangle]

Ah.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/sharkboy-and-lavagirl-always-go-forward-never-back-eyes-forward-keep-moving-forward-gif-26186728

[fleet tangle]

The regular one is disabled!

[cursive crypt]

ffs

Nooo, you are trollin me

[fleet tangle]

🙂

They disable rtti which is what dynamic_cast uses, doesn't it?

[cursive crypt]

The forward to their cast, depending on the type params. They fallback to your native one if it fails. From there on, is whatever.

I have never used it tho 🤔

Maybe PC explode

[ancient ingot]

rtti ?

<--- dunce remember

[cursive crypt]

runtime type id

It is up to the compiler whether to use one for dyncast

[ancient ingot]

Thank you 🙂

[proud jay]

since when do you do programming coffee man @ancient ingot

[ancient ingot]

shh im pretending!

[proud jay]

aren't we all

[sweet rose]

dumb decision

[proud jay]

does anyone use it though?

[sweet rose]

I used it all the time

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dzem-dzemam-jam-dzenko-zdenko-gif-23042033

mmm... orange jam

[fleet tangle]

As long as it's not marmalade.

[cursive crypt]

Is fantastic with yogurt.

[proud jay]

who

[celest musk]

that's a pretty confident answer considering that the rules haven't been made clear

[cursive crypt]

Hey, we made several hours w/o someone bringing up chatgpt & co.

[celest musk]

https://youtu.be/zRKB4M77Hds?t=296 this is way better than chat gpt

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-fry-take-my-money-money-gif-15195954

[cursive crypt]

What in the degenerate world, is even that?

[sweet rose]

☺️

[celest musk]

the pink hair one is a vtuber, the brown hair one is an AI bot

[sweet rose]

rat burgers

[cursive crypt]

And I bet ppl watch with interest.

[celest musk]

they sure do

[sweet rose]

this world is forsaken

[celest musk]

way more entertaining than chat gpt

[zinc matrix]

hey, everyone got their own interest

[sweet rose]

true

[sweet rose]

doesn't mean we should allow total degeneracy 🥸

[celest musk]

total degeneracy is all the censorship taken in place

[fleet tangle]

Nothing wrong with a bit of degeneracy. Just maybe not here.

[cursive crypt]

Some ppl watch sport, other movies, 3rd - waifu ai

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-around-shadow-and-bone-antlers-deer-snow-gif-20685569

[zinc matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/themadfox-blade-runner-gif-18917633

faifu ai may just be next thing

[fleet tangle]

I mean it's been a thing for ages with dating games. And those shitty desktop apps that put naked people on your screen.

[cursive crypt]

*screw

[fleet tangle]

Autocorrect. 😦

[cursive crypt]

It was better 😏

[fleet tangle]

🙂

[celest musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUv8_qCx2rs

love how that bot can be a total savage 😄

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/face-open-scary-dissect-robot-gif-7762558

[sweet rose]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3SVmt5lXyku5VTeAl4qe0k?si=7d6f14c4c16c4852

One of my favorite bands just reunited

🥹

[tulip orbit]

Abba?

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/zztop-guitarspin-rockon-zz-top-gif-4939149

zz top

[quaint cosmos]

3

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-white-roomba-cute-weird-gif-19060101

[tulip orbit]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640186885430554624

Meonk! (@majeliskucing)

https://t.co/VyvQynZ0wp

Likes

14383

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[cursive crypt]

bonk bonk bonk bonk ...

[fleet tangle]

Zz top. Where the one guy called beard doesn't have a beard.

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/beard-alone-gif-5326208

[celest musk]

lose balance and that cat is a pancake... that video is more degenerated than any waifu thing can ever be

[cursive crypt]

A catpan then

[celest musk]

until you are the cat

[cursive crypt]

If he fart strong enough, cat will be blown away - cat safe.

[celest musk]

or another kind of death

[timber viper]

Ikr 😄

[proud jay]

lmao "this technology is still weeks away" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLGmj86-j4k

[fathom wadi]

I never understood those types of videos. Like... if I wanted to know about it I'd goto the Epic website and look at the information rather than get it second hand so someone can get paid. It's like watching those videos where people react to a video where someone else is reacting. The McDonald's of internet videos.

[oblique cloak]

can we have a section for work in progress for fortnite?

[cursive crypt]

A summary could be useful. A filler, is annoying.

[fathom wadi]

they should retitle the video "5.2 second or third look I dunno, but all I'm saying is subscribe and like pls"

[zinc matrix]

i like how many videos there are about UE5.2. the only difference between those videos is sponsors. rest of them is just from the epics gdc clip 🙂

[fathom wadi]

there is a bit of a rush on right now for Diablo 4 videos as the beta weekend ended. But instead of being positive, they are mostly clickbait titles like "D4 in trouble" and "D4 Huge Concerns". But at someone who has put in a solid 5k hours into the previous 4 iterations (including D2R), I have to say they improved so much from the graphics to the sheer brutality and intelligence in the storytelling. It went from Whimsyshire to snapping bones levels of intensity. Which was one of the major things that D3 players wanted originally. The game ran fine for a beta test, I experienced no bugs at all, and without knowing what comes after Act 1 and lvl 25, we can't even know how it's gonna be. It's all pure clickbait so meh.

it's time someone came up with an AI that scans your Youtube recommendations for clickbait and hides it. Force content creators into making actual content

[zinc matrix]

that would be nice

[oblique cloak]

Diablo was only fun when real money was involved.

the grind felt worth it in every way

[fathom wadi]

honestly it wasn't fun the way they did it with D3

[cursive crypt]

Wasnt fun since 2.

[fathom wadi]

D2 with d2jsp was ok. I can dig that because its external and doesn't bother me

but with D3 you couldn't find items and had to buy them but the price kept going up exponentially

[cursive crypt]

gacha

[fathom wadi]

I made just enough to pay for my copy of D3 from the auction house. That's all I wanted really. Some people were microtrading on there like it was the NASDAQ

[oblique cloak]

lol

i used to do this back in the day go into free mmo rpgs, and buy all the gems. and resell them for 50% more than their values

[fathom wadi]

2 socket manticore for demon hunter was the prize I was after. I bought mine when it was worth £11. Which is kinda sick of an item that you needed to break past the torment level

[cursive crypt]

Trading in these games is addicting.
I remember doing a mini ass python framework to handle the ff14 marketplace.
Got some good pseudo money at some niche products.

[zinc matrix]

best thing ive sold was some csgo skin. got ~100€ from it. got my money back from all cs games

and some kid probably gambled it away..

[oblique cloak]

yeah those sites really got me with my skins all scams lost a lot lol

[cursive crypt]

Da hell? Why there is no Brown FColor in UE...

[zinc matrix]

but theres transparent..

wonder whats the purpose for that

[cursive crypt]

Brushes or something

[agile leaf]

Me driving through the "we ran out of budget" streets of my 3rld world country.

[celest musk]

i used it a few times already as default for transparent material overlays

which shouldn't blend in by default

[zinc matrix]

ive only used it for my debug lines

it makes it more interesting

[oblique cloak]

fortnite logic.

[fathom wadi]

thats an odd requirement

[sweet rose]

not really

[oblique cloak]

guess i will be editing my map for 21 days straight

lol

[sweet rose]

weeds out bad creators

[fathom wadi]

well I find it odd

[turbid spindle]

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[carmine frigate]

battlefort impact 2

[fathom wadi]

i get they don't want the spam of crap, but surely there is a better way than to gatekeep the entry to such a degree. I mean, popularity is going to hide a lot of the crap anyway and promoted content can filter through some of those who get caught up in the spam. I dunno. It's not my company so I just find it odd

[carmine frigate]

what is... Found disallowed object type

i cant seem to duplicate a bp and put it in the lvl

[oblique cloak]

check your error log

[fathom wadi]

in uefn or real unreal?

[oblique cloak]

output log

[carmine frigate]

i wunna change the plane make it faster but it wont allow it

[oblique cloak]

i had over 900+ errors

lol

[fathom wadi]

you would need to have the right include

[carmine frigate]

i need to start it from scratch?

[fathom wadi]

I'm presuming you are wanting to access the properties of the plane, so you would need to do it with Verse right? Unless the detail panel properties handle it. All those assets look to be read only to me in terms of editing directly tho, so you need to access them at runtime as instances

[carmine frigate]

i duplicated it to my own folder

[fathom wadi]

I wouldn't be doing that. The Fortnite assets should stay exactly where they are and be referenced from there. Epic will update and deal with those assets so you don't have to.

[carmine frigate]

how do i override code?

i dont really want the biplane... i want my own version and use it as a start point

[finite violet]

needs a more sturdy chair

[old sedge]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3x3fByZSHTvYZ1bzDbM42V?si=54ed46a86f994aaf
check out this ambient podcast

[storm lark]

https://imgur.com/a/dSxBOEy
a whole new wooooorld

[oblique cloak]

hmmm

[fleet tangle]

Where's that from?

[oblique cloak]

fortnite ue forums

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/build-errors-lots-of-issues-trying-to-run-my-project/828502/2

[fleet tangle]

Looks totally legit!

[narrow patrol]

It doesn't look like much, but man if you know you know.

Shit is like 2 weeks of work right there.

[celest musk]

i paid like $50 for a save game plugin which i'm probably not going to use -.-

out of not knowing a way to handle things, and after all it made it more complicated than coming up with an own solution

[night grove]

The correct answer was no game saves!

[narrow patrol]

Yeah in developing this, especially the WAY I did it, I took a really big assumption: Namely, that it was never going to be enough to just restore actor data in-place, that cases where I'd need additional custom logic to restore from a save would be the rule, not the exception

and that turned out to be 100% right. No state change in an actor is JUST the state.

You can't just flip a boolean value to set a door as closed, you need to actually close it.

[night grove]

I wonder if this was what lead to the invention of rogue-likes? "Hmmm it's too tough making a save system, lets make the player do it all in one run!"

[celest musk]

some game types have it easy tho... store the level, store the points, save system done

[narrow patrol]

Ironically my game has roguelike elements 😛

[night grove]

I'm intentionally avoiding game saving right now

But I'm also doing multiplayer, so I'm part way on some of the state serialization

[celest musk]

so do i, it's probably a big mistake tho

[night grove]

I have parts that scare me in regards to saving

I'll probably never allow saving mid "match"

And just expose a very basic progression system

[narrow patrol]

Honestly a lot of roguelikes do way MORE work on saving these days than more classic games. Opening up the menu and pressing "quicksave / load" is easy mode. But if you take something like Dark Souls / Elden Ring for example, people aren't even really aware of when it's saving and what.

Undertale, another famous example that has a MUCH deeper save system than it appears to.

[oblique cloak]

TBH i wasted like 3k on assets from the marketplace.. no shame on 50 lol

[narrow patrol]

FWIW I think there is a right time to build a save system. Do it too late, and you gotta go back and change a TON of actors to be saveable. But if you do it too early, before you have enough complex actors, there's a good chance you'll build the WRONG save system, and later realize it can't support something you need to do.

[night grove]

I've spent about the same

I've been very depressed at the poor quality of so many of them

[oblique cloak]

yupp

good example lemme find it.

[night grove]

I have some character models that look great, but the rigging and animation is garbage

[celest musk]

that's why i'm very very unmotivated to spend much money there

however i also have good experience

[narrow patrol]

This is so par for the course on store assets. Beautiful facade, but you look at the man behind the curtain and he's a fucking asshole

[night grove]

I'm a coder... SOOO MANY code assets I'm like: "Yeah I'm not taking that to prod"

[celest musk]

i wrote a whole plugin myself because the author wasn't very helpful in their discord

[zinc matrix]

hmm i am about to buy Voxel Plugin. Have anyone used it?

[night grove]

I used it a lot

[celest musk]

took me like a month or smth, which was waaaaaay beyond the $50 for the plugin -.- (but learned a bunch of UE internal stuff, and was able to add some features that i wanted)

[night grove]

I added my own multiplayer support to Voxel Plugin

and deleted it a few months ago

Voxel Plugin in itself is awesome.

[oblique cloak]

great tool to own. but depends on what you are doing.

[night grove]

It just didn't work for me

[oblique cloak]

i had it sense day one.

[night grove]

As in, I didn't like the cubic aesthetic and don't need voxel landscapes rn

[narrow patrol]

Yeah I've got a lot of like "decapitated" assets I bought, where I've kept the visible parts but completely removed and rewritten their blueprints.

[night grove]

I'm using Dungeon Architect now, and it is fantastic

But I'm realizing I have to write so much custom that when I ship it will barely be the same

But that may be a me problem

Same story with lyra

I'm at a very large percentage rewrite

[zinc matrix]

Dungeon architect look easy to write

Unlike voxel plugin

[narrow patrol]

This is the only marketplace pack I've been on the fence about.

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/space-creator-pro

[night grove]

I'm not a fan of the actual procedural generation itself (that's the part I'm rewriting), but there is a LOT of editor boilerplate that would be a real PITA to write

[narrow patrol]

Because like.. if it's GOOD, that would solve so much for me. But if it's bad, that's a lot of money

[night grove]

It looks like he kinda piggy backed on Behavior Trees, or at least the UI resembles it.

[zinc matrix]

I wrote a dungeon algorithm myself even though i am completely beginner. But that shit require a lot of math for real

[night grove]

The danger with random content is you don't want to spawn too many actors

I'm personally finding its better to use larger modular pieces that can internally self randomize

You don't want 12 floor tiles for a single room for example

It really depends on the project

[zinc matrix]

use dynamic mesh maybe? i used it

i haven't figured complex shape like lyra yet but that is possible

[celest musk]

it's about buying stuff that you have to rework for hours to be usable

but i also had something similar with a $20 pack, wrote in the review that the author could've used HISM instead of a merged mesh with 100k tri's, to cut it down to ~2k and they implemented the fix in an update

[night grove]

I'm quite familiar, I use DM3 for my custom destruction.

[celest musk]

some authors just don't know and need a heads up

[kindred field]

This is such a cool server. Really looking forward to utilizing it.

[narrow patrol]

Yeah I LOVE to be utilized!

[pearl elk]

utilize me senpai

[fleet tangle]

Can I utilise you to fix undo errors

?

[tulip orbit]

I wrote my own dungeon generation system as well, and it works very well for what I've got written so far, only real issue is I'm currently limited to flat dungeons

as for the save system issues discussed above, I just found this last night: https://github.com/sinbad/SPUD , and it looks like it'll save all the states and save game data for me, everything I need

[pearl elk]

I only redo errors

I have a question, do you think Epic knows Vector2D exists?

[pearl elk]

My AI friends concur

[zinc matrix]

Just use 3d tinykeep algorithm, although it sound very hard

Which is explained in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBY2Dzej03A
Most of us proc gen people have already watched this

[tulip orbit]

k, I havent watched that ... but I will now!

[pearl elk]

What if my dungeons are 4D?

[zinc matrix]

you haven't watch that..? first search on youtube index

i spent the last 2 months just writing the 2d version of this

[tulip orbit]

depending on what you search for? When I was looking for ways to generate on google, I didnt see that

[zinc matrix]

i searched for procedural generation in unreal

in unity

maze procedural generation, dungeon proc..

i search every keyword possible

Youtube search is dogshit btw

it only show you first 9 or 10 results

[primal summit]

google site:youtube.com

[tulip orbit]

ah well, I dont remember what I searched, but it was years ago that I wrote my main dungeon algo

[pearl elk]

I wonder if ChatGPT can write a dungeon generator

void generateDungeon() {
    // Initialize the dungeon layout to empty spaces
    for (int i = 0; i < dungeonWidth; i++) {
        for (int j = 0; j < dungeonHeight; j++) {
            dungeon[i][j] = ' ';
        }
    }
    
    // Generate the rooms
    for (int i = 0; i < numRooms; i++) {
        int roomWidth = rand() % 10 + 5;
        int roomHeight = rand() % 10 + 5;
        int roomX = rand() % (dungeonWidth - roomWidth - 1) + 1;
        int roomY = rand() % (dungeonHeight - roomHeight - 1) + 1;
        for (int x = roomX; x < roomX + roomWidth; x++) {
            for (int y = roomY; y < roomY + roomHeight; y++) {
                dungeon[x][y] = '.';
            }
        }
    }
    
    // Generate the corridors
    for (int i = 0; i < complexity; i++) {
        int x1 = rand() % dungeonWidth;
        int y1 = rand() % dungeonHeight;
        int x2 = rand() % dungeonWidth;
        int y2 = rand() % dungeonHeight;
        while (x1 != x2 || y1 != y2) {
            if (x1 < x2) {
                x1++;
            } else if (x1 > x2) {
                x1--;
            }
            if (y1 < y2) {
                y1++;
            } else if (y1 > y2) {
                y1--;
            }
            dungeon[x1][y1] = '#';
        }
    }
}```

[celest musk]

this looks sus

does it just generate corridors without taking the room locations into account?

[pearl elk]

I like how it generates a maze using ascii characters then tells me to replace those characters with meshes in UE5

[celest musk]

it wont even really work for an ascii game

as it might have diagonal corridors?!

guess we will keep our jobs for another week or two...

[pearl elk]

good luck using a multi dimensional array in UE 😛

[celest musk]

you can in c++

[narrow patrol]

it's also got a 3 layer deep for loop which apparently has complexity proportional to the width and height of the rooms?!

[celest musk]

that part seems to be fine tho?!

[tulip orbit]

watched the vid Viktor linked, my dungeon generation is a lot simpler, even the 2d side of it

[narrow patrol]

Fine insofar as it doesn't break I guess?

[celest musk]

fine in so far that it decides where to place a room and the 2 inner layers just fill the array with dots for the room (i have no idea how that could be done better)

[pearl elk]

cmon be nice, this AI has no idea how to code

still writing better arrays than me at year 2

[narrow patrol]

It's very much writing job interview code. No integration points, no compartmentalization, basic built in structs and functions only.

[pearl elk]

It has a limited amount of characters, I had to force it to produce this code because it said the question was too large of a scope for a single answer

Its not wrong, I put it down to user error 😛

[celest musk]

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|                                |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ............            |
|        ......................  |
|        ......................  |
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|        ......................  |
|              ................  |
|              ................  |
|              ................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         .....................  |
|         ...........#.........  |
|         ..........#..........  |
|         ..################...  |
|         ..#######...           |
|                                |
|                                |

that's a 32x32 "dungeon" generated by that code...

with 5 rooms^

[pearl elk]

glorious, how did it write code that runs

better than half my code already 😛

[celest musk]

i even asked it to translate that function to php for my test

since i couldn't bother me to compile it etc.

[pearl elk]

do you think your room size might be too large for the dungeon?

[celest musk]

could be, yea

it's between 5 and 14

[pearl elk]

Not like it used a complex packing algorithm

[celest musk]

128x128

it works, but it's worth nothing 😄

[pearl elk]

Well it put discord through its paces

29 lines left

[celest musk]

yea but you see the general "pattern"

also the cropped part is just those 2 corridors going down further

[pearl elk]

Those are secret rooms

[celest musk]

yea it's honestly just crap

could at least store the room positions in some temporary variable and use them for the corridors

[pearl elk]

I'll tell it you said that

[celest musk]

then it might start to get usable

[pearl elk]

It wants to talk with you 😂

Take you out back and rough you up

[scenic aspen]

VS 17.5 is looking pretty good

[pearl elk]

VS Code does this for me already 😛

[celest musk]

a tad better

asked it to add that temporary location thing

it did however nonsense interpreting the data, since it randomized what room it picked to connect

[pearl elk]

ahh the rooms are connected better atleast

[celest musk]

so if you argue with it for a few hours, you might get there

[zinc matrix]

This is what i do all day, regenerate and watch my dungeon structure, it's so addicted

[pearl elk]

I do this with my planetary systems, some of them are so junk for gameplay lol

[kindred field]

Now I know to avoid you thanks

[celest musk]

glad you let us know, and welcome to the server

[zinc matrix]

What's your gameplay though? Never seen a real game use planets and actually have good gameplay

[gray solar]

Hey there, I have an idea for my first game, but I really want to take in the advice of starting small instead of with a "dream game". Do you mind if I bounce some ideas around with you guys to make sure my first project is scalable and sounds fun, maybe get some advice before I prematurely jump into things.

[zinc matrix]

*Star Citizen

[zinc matrix]

Sure thing man

[pearl elk]

its just for my strategic overview, essentially just the UI

[gray solar]

Thanks. 🙂

[pearl elk]

No everything games please

[tulip orbit]

Yeah its neat watching it generate new maps. I mostly regenerated to check for errors with my code tho

[pearl elk]

I thought everyone knew to avoid me... Need to work on my reputation

[zinc matrix]

lul you created a whole planet system for UI..

[pearl elk]

I did infact but it'll look really cool aye

[gray solar]

So, a little background; I'm an author who writes online stories with 3D illustrations, and since because of that, I already have character models, background assets, and music, I want to use these resources to make video game spin offs.

[zinc matrix]

That background sound like you will be using Blueprint in the future

(I am so sorry)

[gray solar]

I am planning on making a game based off of my current ongoing fantasy online story.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/meatballs-yummy-yehey-celebration-gif-26395021

[gray solar]

I'm thinking of a top-down rogue-like waves of endless monsters game broken up by puzzles.

[zinc matrix]

That was it?

The idea is quite short isn't it?

[gray solar]

This is the art style for the project; a mix of western animation and ghibli-inspired backgrounds.

[zinc matrix]

That girl looked just like Korra

[gray solar]

I'm trying to go for something simple and not too overly ambitious.

[gray solar]

That's great, it's one of my main inspirations.

So do you think a top down game like that is alright for a first game/does it fit with the art style? I want thinking maybe the style is a bit too proportionate for a top down and that maybe 3rd person would be better?

[kindred field]

Looks really cool

[zinc matrix]

Have you think of Unity? I think as a writer/artist Unity is much easier to learn and also your game sound ok in Unity

[gray solar]

Thanks.

[gray solar]

I'm leaning heavily towards unreal because I'm really comfortable with node based systems.

And I've learned a lot about it.

[knotty skiff]

Hello Unreal chat

[zinc matrix]

A top-down rogue-like waves of endless monsters game broken up by puzzles, i personally think that is not to ambitious for a first project

I mean, i am making a proc gen game as my first lul

So far so good

[gray solar]

Nice, procedural generation can be hard but also very rewarding.

[gray solar]

Okay, cool. I figured it's been done enough times, that there's enough tutorials on it. That way I can focus on the graphics, UI and music to make it stand out.

[zinc matrix]

But notice that as a writer, sometimes people misunderstanding the difference between a novel and a game.
Good writing and good art don't mean a good game.
You need good game design, and as a creator, you need to play a lot of games.

[tulip orbit]

My current project is fairly open world with some procedural dungeon generation in it..... its probably too big for me realistically

[zinc matrix]

I have seen people focus too much on art and writing, they forgot about the gameplay.

[pearl elk]

maybe a visual novel type game would be a good place to start

[gray solar]

That's good advice. I am going to try and take a page from nintendo and work on the movement mechanics, really refine them so they are really enjoyable before any work on the rest of the game.

[pearl elk]

I think playing to your strengths is a good idea rather than biting off too much early on. Motivation is a huge part of it, staying the course and actually getting a project completed

[gray solar]

I'm almost considering the feature to toggle between top down and third person, but I'm not sure how players will react to that concept.

[zinc matrix]

For me, it's either grind to the point i could go Kickstarter or i will never be able to actually finished the game on date

[gray solar]

I'm thinking of adding 3 types of creatures/enemies to start and having 3 playable characters and 3 maps.

[tulip orbit]

I'm just kinda picking at the different aspects a bit at a time. not really completing any portion, but getting it far enough along... for a while I kept putting things off cause I needed animations, I've got a few now but not really enough

my dungeon is viable, and playable, but doesnt have monsters yet and is kinda boring, but its there

[zinc matrix]

damn, you have reached the point when you need more money to get the job done
i haven't get there yet

well, you either learned animations or make some money..

[tulip orbit]

I have no money for paying for anything, so yeah probably doing what I need with control rig...

[zinc matrix]

hmm that is what every single game have bro.

[tulip orbit]

hopefully epic releases a good anim pack on the marketplace, that isnt full of stolen animations this time

[pearl elk]

My game has only 1 playable character 😦

[gray solar]

That's good, actually. I'm not trying to break new grounds with my first game.

[zinc matrix]

i am sure you can find similar game with those concepts and solve most of your question, just play

[tulip orbit]

I'm still using manny 😦

[pearl elk]

manny for the money

[gray solar]

I already have fantasy style music for that goes with the online story, but I'm thinking about creating some hype tracks with a bit of edm flare, influenced by tracks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4qbyg-iIc

[pearl elk]

I was thinking of beat boxing over my game for the soundtrack, what you guys rekon?

[gray solar]

What's the genre?

[pearl elk]

ARTS

Youre a drug dealer and you have to build up trap houses in the ghetto

Its kinda like the Sims

but the cops raid your houses, find your stashes

[gray solar]

Okay, well, that'd probably fit.

@zinc matrix Thanks for the advice, by the way. It's helping me kind of narrow down/affirm things.

Only other thing is I'm planning on having comic panels as cut scenes with a camera that moves over them for the player to read.

Which is something I've seen in games before and liked, but also scales down the production a bit.

[zinc matrix]

You seem to mind so much about visual things. Some games have dogshit visual and graphics but still sell well like Valheim.
I am not saying that caring about those is bad, it is just something you shouldn't do at the very begin of your dev

[pearl elk]

Crazy how few plug and play anims there are, it requires a huge chunk of work just hooking them up

[gray solar]

That's good advice. I already have a lot of the graphics done, because of the story illustrations being 3D, but I should focus on the core mechanics before I go too fancy with the VFX, UI and such.

[zinc matrix]

Well, we are all developers in here so we don't rlly give a sh*t about visual stuff until the last day before publish

[gray solar]

Haha

Cool, I'll hunker down and focus on making the core game fun to play; the graphics can just dress it up

[tulip orbit]

Yeah! I had to combine 2 or 3 packs to get my current animBP working. And its just basic locomotion, strafing, and some pistol and rifle equip/reload anims.. its very hacky but it works 😄

[zinc matrix]

Hey, don't take random stranger advice like me too serious too bruh.. As i said i am a new too haha

[gray solar]

Well, thanks anyway for the advice. I think the first step for me is to import my character and make controlling them feel really good, which will be plenty of work in its self. So I'll update y'all when I have progress.

[pearl elk]

I like how we get the same crappy jump anim with every skeletal mesh which uses Epics rig

[tulip orbit]

wuh? isnt that how everybody jumps IRL?

[pearl elk]

yes I immediately act like Im falling off a cliff 2" off the ground 😛

[tulip orbit]

yup, I make it seem like I fell off a mountain every drop I go over

[gray solar]

@zinc matrix Also, which one did you think looked like Korra? Just out of curiosity.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/really-flop-dramatic-soccer-gif-12703579

[zinc matrix]

the left one, obviously

[gray solar]

Cool, I'm glad it called that into mind.

[tulip orbit]

while I was waiting for my project to clone in the launcher (my ver of source control), I just found the old DnD games on steam.... Eye of the Beholder!

[gray solar]

Anyway, I gotta head out. Nice talking to y'all. 😄

[tulip orbit]

I played so much of Eye of the Beholder3 back when I was a kid.... so very tempted

[pearl elk]

Be careful, youre tainted by modern luxuries now

[tulip orbit]

yeah, thats the one thing holding me back.

[pearl elk]

I tried playing some of the older Total War games, jeebus they are terrible lol

[zinc matrix]

I want to join you guys too but i spent my whole childhood playing League of Legends

[pearl elk]

Youre still a child then 😛

[tulip orbit]

I tried playing an old point and click adventure a while ago, man what a slog that was...

[pearl elk]

Im waiting for the "my grandad used to play Halo"

[tulip orbit]

The original halo? Or the 3rd remaster?

[pearl elk]

remaster chief edition

I have no issues being my age in regards to gaming tbh, I saw the arcade, played plenty of pinball, saw the first handhelds, the first consoles all the way through, the first FPS and 3d games

https://tenor.com/view/war-seinfeld-brain-mind-frank-gif-23977924

[tulip orbit]

I am still feeling pretty tempted to get EoB.... partially because I currently dont know what to work on in my project

[pearl elk]

Maybe it'll inspire you, speaking of I just had an epiphany

I dont take into account the time that has passed on the game map when I come back to the planetary view

[regal pecan]

Some day I hope an entire football team double over simultaneously out of sympathy for their teammate.

[tulip orbit]

How hard is it to make a tree-based node editor like the behaviour tree for a custom system? I know the dialogue plugin I use has one built, I'd like one for my quest system. Right now the quests are in a data table and its hard to follow and edit in there

[regal pecan]

I know my dialogue plugin has one built
How hard was that to do?

[tulip orbit]

I dunno, it was a plugin from the mp, so I just added to project

[regal pecan]

Ah I thought it was "my" in the sense you made it.

[tulip orbit]

ah, sorry

[pearl elk]

I think its easier to make subeditors with UE5 versus UE4, I get the impression Epic optimised alot of things behind the scenes

[tulip orbit]

so far I havent found any recent info, but found a graph editor base plugin from 3 yrs ago

[pearl elk]

I think most of the stuff is geared towards getting new people into UE

The PCG plugin might be a good place to look since its still WIP and not too bloaty yet

[tulip orbit]

I mean making a graph editor like this : https://github.com/jinyuliao/GenericGraph/raw/master/docs/images/GenericGraph.png

[pearl elk]

Yeah I think its all the same underlying base for the grid etc, the nodes are different for BTs obviously

That dialog one looks more like AnimBP

[tulip orbit]

I think that pic is examples what you can set up with different settings in the plugin

and it would probably be a good base to work off of

[pearl elk]

Who knows, I find with tools I just spend too much time debugging tools and not enough time working on the game

so now I make really cheap test tools lol

Editor Utility Widgets are your friend

[tulip orbit]

I should look into those

[pearl elk]

I find em super handy for mocking things up, I made a quick palette generator

[tulip orbit]

otherwise its continue with my existing system, inside the datatable, or buy a quest system off the MP, which may or may not be a pain to implement and be hard to work with

[pearl elk]

I prefer the side view branch for narrative stuff personally

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/03d1dcba-5755-4d9c-98a6-67bd0e47142c/scale-to-width-down/1200

[tulip orbit]

ah, I prefer top down, like the 2nd half of the pic I linked, but maybe thats just what Im used to

[pearl elk]

Either way you'll need to be careful of lock conditions

[tulip orbit]

lock conditions?

crap I gotta get ready for work 😦

[pearl elk]

There must be a way to mitigate those but thats more of an issue across missions not just with a single

if you do a mission which disables access to another

Can lead to a position where you cant progress the story

[cursive crypt]

Why not use BPs too? Just thinking aloud.

You can just make few dedicated nodes and start slapping them around instead of full blown Editor.

At some point you may start need anyway things like accessing vars, looping and etc anyway.

[pearl elk]

I guess it depends on what you require a node to do as to how simple it is to add

[cursive crypt]

Kinda. Note you will have to create them anyway on custom editor.

[pearl elk]

Im just thinking the complexity of what youre doing overall, if it is not far off a custom editor

[cursive crypt]

True, however, try to keep it simple, sexy.

aka KISS

[pearl elk]

I try not to write completely custom nodes at all if Im honest, I tend to stick to the auto generated ones using the meta data

[cursive crypt]

This even better.

[pearl elk]

Thankfully Epic have been doing my work for me lately

Remind me to send them a nice gift basket

[cursive crypt]

What work? Shaky UE?

[pearl elk]

GETDIFU

Get Epic to do it for you

[cursive crypt]

Get what?

[pearl elk]

difu

[cursive crypt]

wtf is difu

[pearl elk]

do it for you

[cursive crypt]

oof

But, still, wdym up there - the PCG ?

[pearl elk]

yeah PCG, Scriptable Editor Tools

hopefully we get the landscape baking to nanite from FN

[cursive crypt]

Hmm....

[pearl elk]

Ive still got acouple of tools up my sleeve though

[cursive crypt]

Im into navigation recently, like river navmeshes e.g.

[pearl elk]

I could never seem to get the different navmeshes working. Im fairly sure youre meant to be able to have different ones based on the pawn type

[cursive crypt]

Hmm

Unsure.

You can have different over the world.

They seem to move now toward multiresolution meshes btw

At least in 5.2 they introduce a 3 levels of cell size.

[pearl elk]

ahh thats definitely good to know

[cursive crypt]

Don't level up your expectations yet tho. Afaik, currently it is a build/compile time toggle between these.

Navmeshes are big in memory.

Gotta check myself later

[pearl elk]

In umm Hidden and Dangerous you used to have these flags which were helpers for the navmeshes to help slice it into the right sized chunks

[cursive crypt]

Only tiles in UE 🙂

[pearl elk]

I used dynamic navmesh generation but I seem to remember having to trick the engine with a controller class attached to an actor

[cursive crypt]

You need an Invoker component, the controller has one builtin

Now, thinking more of it, I think there should be a system (existing/creating) to have several overlayed navmeshes and switch them per agent 🤔 ...

[pearl elk]

Yeah it took alittle bit to setup but it seemed to work well, main issue is when the AI wants needs to go further than the mesh allows

[cursive crypt]

Definitely

[pearl elk]

Thats what I was talking about before, theres meant to be a system for multiple agents, the navmesh is meant to be coloured for each one but Ive never seen it function correctly

[cursive crypt]

Might check later, but as I said, they huge in memory, so it will be a balance.

[pearl elk]

well ideally you only want to save the differences between the navmeshes since agents should be able to share

[cursive crypt]

Invokers are nice, but quite heavy on speed instead.

[pearl elk]

yeah invokers work well but you wouldnt want to be dynamically generating too much so its still a balance

[cursive crypt]

No, that not possible.

Except if you dont implement your own navmesh

[pearl elk]

I have some agents which can climb well but would still use mostly the same base navmesh

[cursive crypt]

Aand, stee, vertical, overhang and etc. nav is totally different beast

[pearl elk]

yup its a pain in the butts, just give everyone a step height of 1m 😛

[cursive crypt]

lol, yeah, I don't think Recast can handle it 🤔

[pearl elk]

I wanna know how Borderlands 2 did its AI

[cursive crypt]

lol, just saw a YT thumbnail about it hour ago

[pearl elk]

I think even in BL3 they still used the deprecated Autodesk Gameware

Gameware Navigation in specific

[cursive crypt]

Prolly a bit basic, but my quick search reported that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5PPrkfwKfE so why not have a look?

[pearl elk]

I might have watched this but I'll do it again

I just know BL has a wide variety in agents

I should use Epics PCG plugin to make some guns

bazillions of barrels 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNS5xjly5Ss

[worldly mesa]

AHHHHHH!.. Inhale AHHHHHH! sorry. Just still fighting Maya for the sole purpose if the damn ML Deformer plugin. I despise all things Maya. (expect people named that, .. maybe)

[zinc matrix]

but have you heard about our lord and saviour blender?

[worldly mesa]

Lol, i hope and pray that they will port the ML plugin to Blender. I tried to get CGPT to do it, but it refused

[zinc matrix]

wasnt there some experimental plugin for UE for that?

[worldly mesa]

this is it.. it is half maya, half UE

[zinc matrix]

aah

[worldly mesa]

in the end, all maya is doing is generating random poses based on Joints and Limits (that you set) then exporting them as an animation. but, it is also exporting that 20 to 50k frames of random poses as an Alembic Cache too, that matches. then UE does the actual ML work, with that info. Totally within the ability of Blender, but i can't write Python to save my life

Literally, that's it. Blender Python -generate random poses within these limit parameters. Ok, save that as FBX. Now, Save that same thing as Alembic Geometry Cache. That is it. and i cannot do it 😦

I am close. I mean, i 've been working on a random pose generator, but my problem is not the concept, it is the Syntax. Which is what i use CGPT for, but they keep nerfing it to hell

[zinc matrix]

interesting. ive never tried that.

ive only messed with animations as much as trying some mediapipe based motion capturing plugins. not very good results as it doesnt know depth that well with one camera.

[worldly mesa]

so you've played with the freemocap project?

He thinks he got single camera working pretty well now

I have not had opportunity to try it yet

[zinc matrix]

nah, that i couldnt make work at all 😄

its called BlenderARMocap

[worldly mesa]

🙂 no worries. The ML concept is rather different too, though.. These random poses are for the ML Learning Algorithms to fix the deformations

[worldly mesa]

I do not know that one.. i will have to look in to it (Argh, (lack of) time is my enemy)

[zinc matrix]

if i could just make poses with it without keyframing by hand, i would be happy 😄

[worldly mesa]

🙂

I've come to the conclusion we are getting closer to a minor utopia, but we are at the phase where you either pay with cash, or with your time

I am at the point where i need more of both :/

By that, i mean, you could spend your time to hand fix the keyframes, or you could pay someone to do it, or you could pay for a professional rig with multi cameras, etc that would do it much better

[zinc matrix]

yea, that would be the best option until these ai things evolve enough one day

[pearl elk]

But I wanted to pay with exposure

[worldly mesa]

😛

i've got CGPT writing me a better Random Pose script right now. I am going to eliminate Maya in this ML procedure.

I am going to have to change my name to 'HunanbeanAndTheMachine' 😁

uhoh, i sense incoming jokes

[pearl elk]

Puny hunan

[worldly mesa]

lol

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-hulk-the-hulk-bruce-banner-mark-ruffalo-gif-14705593

[worldly mesa]

Ok, i got the working script out of CGPT for random poses within defined parameters. Man, that was like pulling teeth :/

AND a thumbs up from the hulk! a Win Win

[pearl elk]

I think Im gonna need to write some stuff ontop of PCG plugin but Epic has said big changes are on the way for it so I dunno what to do... Twiddle my thumbs I suppose

[worldly mesa]

Yeah, probably best to work on something else, unless you are quick at it

hell, i've been twiddling my thumbs about Epic since 2014 i think :/

[pearl elk]

Its abit like that, when will the lighting get as good as The Elemental... oh finally

[worldly mesa]

watching trailer now

Neat!

[pearl elk]

Its looking abit dated now but the SVOGI was top notch

[worldly mesa]

But, i'd imagine Lumen is superior

[pearl elk]

Well there was no hardware option back when this was made

[worldly mesa]

right. https://www.dsogaming.com/news/epic-games-tim-sweeney-explains-lack-of-svogi-in-unreal-engine-4/

[pearl elk]

In all honesty Im kinda glad because I was running pretty mid end hardware back then lol]\

[worldly mesa]

same. and i was still running it up until 9 months ago :/ 🙂

[fluid bloom]

heh, I managed to build lyra from the ground up so that it includes the bare minimum code (plus the plugins) and it finally builds

too bad the editor crashes on startup

[pearl elk]

please share

[fluid bloom]

I mean it's basically a copy paste exercise

I might just bin this tbh

I only want the ability system + input thingies for my toy project 😄

[pearl elk]

Its a whole lot of stuff just for acouple of bits of boilerplate

I mean the problem it sets out to solve is one Epic created so why not tackle the actual issue... The need to write the boilerplate

I did see one thing on github which lets you create the attributes in an editor config but it still requires the other ability system boilerplate

[fluid bloom]

tbh lyra has a lot more boilerplate than just the ability system 😄

asset manager... input stuff, settings, performance counter thingies

[ancient ingot]

Lyra is a piece of shit, its layers of complexity on top of layers of complexity, and for no reason.

Mod orgy again ?

[fluid bloom]

can't say if it's a piece of shit or not tbh

[pearl elk]

Yeah but the boilerplate is still the issue when they could just use the wizards to write the boilerplate

[fluid bloom]

sure

[pearl elk]

Slacker Wizard Project 😛

[ancient ingot]

yus !

[pearl elk]

"we write code so you dont have to"

[fluid bloom]

make some slate gui and then slap on some python script to do the code gen 😛

[ancient ingot]

hey mons, you think you could rewrite the voxel plugin network code ?

[pearl elk]

I think someone could pay me to do it 😛

[ancient ingot]

😉

will discuss on the weekend 😛

[pearl elk]

Its not that I want to get paid for my hours, its the pain and suffering for having to use C++ 🤣

[ancient ingot]

yes i know lol

i spoke to one of the devs yesterday and the problem they have with MP is a usage case where : if a player joins after a gazillion edits to the world, how can it sync those updates in a fashion that does not overload the client etc etc

also where the feck is Dieter, @proud jay i need coffee !!!

[fluid bloom]

a lot of that pain would go away if/when we get rid of A) header files B) templates that produce cryptic errors when you forget a semicolon somewhere

[ancient ingot]

that semi colon pain 😦

[cursive crypt]

C++ is bae

Also, errors are kinda understandable nowadays

Maybe Epic should start to port to Modules the headers, if it wasnt for the ton of macros they used.

[ancient ingot]

Epics Macros are Rabbit Holes, very deep rabbit holes

[soft night]

c++ is not pain ata all

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1640502698549075972

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

Starting April 15th, only verified accounts will be eligible to be in For You recommendations.

The is the only realistic way to address advanced AI bot swarms taking over. It is otherwise a hopeless losing battle.

Voting in polls will require verification for same reason.

Likes

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[cursive crypt]

But can't bots have paid accounts too?

[soft night]

yeah they can

the bots get created to be on blue checkmarks more and more

[cursive crypt]

So, it is an wining battle for Twitter

[soft night]

as verified more and more is not excisting on twittter

[cursive crypt]

Maybe they need to add another color mark, say Yellow, for bots.
I see many ppl enjoy listening to bots rambling.

Or just talking to bots, out of amusement.

[soft night]

like blueman?

[cursive crypt]

Not only. It frequent to see chatbot history posted here.

Including waifu bots

[zinc matrix]

...waifu bots?

asking for a friend

[cursive crypt]

Yesterday they were posting some anime

[pearl elk]

bots probably make more money than humans at this point lol

[cursive crypt]

It is so better to communicate with bots.

[soft night]

mons or more ai where ai build more ais

bots what build bots

[pearl elk]

funny thing is Elon probably created bots to do the job of alot of the people he fired

then he complains about bots 😛

[cursive crypt]

Some young colleagues are totally out of the physical communication with other humans.
They exist in internet, chat friends and now - chat bots.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-morpheus-fate-irony-gif-18666768

[zinc matrix]

blame the parents, they are the ones who give iphones to 2 year olds 😛

[cursive crypt]

Doesn't matter parents, kids, grandpas... The effect is that.

Everyone contributes.

[pearl elk]

My grandma sent me a friend request on farmville

[cursive crypt]

The new lifeform, based on silicon, not carbon, is emerging.

Submit.

[ancient ingot]

im based on silicon

[cursive crypt]

Dont lie, you are coffee based. We know.

[ancient ingot]

well there is that ....... ☕

[proud jay]

sorry was at your mum's

[proud jay]

nothing to do with bots, just looking for any excuse to push the shit product

[ancient ingot]

I'm downloading Rider 😐

[soft night]

downloading earth 2.0 where no humans only organic what is not humans

[ancient ingot]

i will come to earth 2.0 with you

[proud jay]

Rider? I barely know her

[ancient ingot]

She's lovely 😉

[silk lily]

https://www.earth2.io/

the future is here

you cant even be in this world..you can only purchase tiles images of real world

[soft night]

that is not earth 2.0 at all

[proud jay]

no it's earth 2

[ancient ingot]

Earth 3.0 is gonna rock !

Cocaine + Hookers all night long baby !

[soft night]

earth 2 will be created when 2 parallel earths are used as fuel to make earth2.0

[ancient ingot]

😮

[proud jay]

clearly earth 2 will run on the blockchain

[ancient ingot]

and it'll be an NFT !

[proud jay]

you'll be an nft tooo

[ancient ingot]

I've been an NFT for years !

[proud jay]

you're streets ahead

[ancient ingot]

lol had to update Visual Studio to uninstall it 😐

[proud jay]

why you uninstall it

Rider still needs VS build tools lmao

cause it's shit

[ancient ingot]

i know,. but i messed up my install somehow so im deleting it and going to try a fresh install

but yeah Rider needing VS is a bit fucking silly

[proud jay]

who doesn't like paying 2 licenses instead of one though

[ancient ingot]

hell why dont we make it 3

[proud jay]

which one will you be adding

[ancient ingot]

hmm not sure, maybe VAX cause i like throwing away good money, or github co-pilot hmmm

[proud jay]

definitely thought you were going to say OnlySheep

[ancient ingot]

😂

rebooooooooooooot

[proud jay]

das boot

[ancient ingot]

Booted

[proud jay]

goated

https://tenor.com/view/motorboating-motor-boat-snowwhite-gif-5444481

[ancient ingot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fallontonight-jonah-hill-the-tonight-show-goat-mqiq8aY84dnqAtVlnd

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-ant-drums-music-rock-and-roll-gif-11746221

[ancient ingot]

Freaky !!

[proud jay]

no u

[ancient ingot]

thats not meeee

[proud jay]

or is it

[ancient ingot]

you will never know 😉

[silk lily]

imma be 20 next year hopefully i can go to GDC

[soft night]

what if dieter isnt dieter

[proud jay]

hopefully you randomly get a ton of money then

that shit ain't cheap

[silk lily]

me looking at my $500 in my bank account

😭

[ancient ingot]

we could kill him ?

[proud jay]

please do

[ancient ingot]

😲 🫂

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-closely-prestige-christian-bale-gif-6140747

[ancient ingot]

👀

Can a blocking volume be circular ?

[silk lily]

i remember the access pass being like around 2k the last time i saw it

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-just-watching-gif-7321507

[ancient ingot]

$2k 😮 fuck that, ill watch it on YT instead

[pearl elk]

I saw a tweet earlier which said it was $4600 for 9 days accommodation for their GDC trip

Then you got the $20 bottles of water from the vending machines 😛

[ancient ingot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/laff-tv-say-what-double-take-the-nutty-professor-9lusxBBUsTz8Fk029b

[silk lily]

damn

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/hammie-episode44-chameleon-green-moon-chameleon-green-moon-gif-22583746

[silk lily]

there goes my hopes and dreams

[pearl elk]

Have you ever been to SF?

[silk lily]

SF?

[ancient ingot]

San Francisco

[silk lily]

ahh no

heard everything there is really expensive tho

[pearl elk]

Ive not heard the best things about it in terms of places to visit

Another person on Twitter showed a picture, their side mirror got stolen while at GDC... not the plastic bit, just the mirror glass lol

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/rggfgf-stormtrooper-star-wars-soldado-star-wars-clone-gif-14878565

[silk lily]

😨

[pearl elk]

The ladies seem to have the worst horror stories though

Not to mention the positive covid tests

[silk lily]

lots of grabbers stories ive heard

[ancient ingot]

that America in general dude

[pearl elk]

Drink spikers... Is nothing sacred

[silk lily]

i saw someone on twitter said they got positive there

[ancient ingot]

just as bad in miami too

[pearl elk]

Im sure GDC is amazing but lots of negatives too

[silk lily]

after they got back from GDC

[pearl elk]

I do wish they would change the venue occasionally, its too far for me to travel

[soft night]

https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/deepcontractor/miami-housing-dataset

some could use game engines own entity system do make visualization of that

[ancient ingot]

anywhere is to far for you, you live on the bottom of the world 😛

[pearl elk]

Hey I dont mind the 45 min flight to Melbourne hahaha

[ancient ingot]

😂

23 hours for you to come to Wales iirc

[pearl elk]

I was thinking Dubai tbh, I guess that could be considered further but theres more direct flights

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/koala-koala-bear-really-unconcerned-unamused-gif-19044980

[ancient ingot]

ye Dubai is a major hub i think

[pearl elk]

Never been a fan of the Bay area, Im sure its nice but I even hated driving around it in Watch Dogs 2 lol

[ancient ingot]

lol i was going to go anywhere in the U.S it wouldnt be SF, maybe Miami for the WMF

[proud jay]

what's wmf

woman man fight?

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/sydney-sydney-opera-house-opera-house-2023world-cup-womens-world-cup-gif-21029165

[ancient ingot]

Winter music festival

[soft night]

is it strange that australia is entering on eurovision song contests for some time now

[ancient ingot]

ye thats odd

@proud jay https://ultramusicfestival.com/
this takes place alongside the conference they hold

[pearl elk]

now Im wondering who wears the bikini in this fight

[ancient ingot]

lol

they both wear mankini's

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-2003-fast-forward-ninja-turtles-gif-24418529

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jjba-diu-josuke-crazydiamond-gif-7480129

[ancient ingot]

😂

[pearl elk]

Why is it strange, Australia is mostly filled with Europeans

[unreal ether]

Because it's mostly European countries, hence eurovision

[pearl elk]

Hey GDC in Singapore wouldnt be terrible

[unreal ether]

I too find it a bit strange. But welcome the Aussies

[ancient ingot]

oo or Taiwan

[pearl elk]

Thatd be cheap but I think theres alot of crime there so maybe not much better than SF 😛

[ancient ingot]

dammit

[pearl elk]

Remember to bring cash for police bribes

[ancient ingot]

lol

GDC China would be...........fun