lounge

[warm bloom]

caring less will put your standards lower imo

[zinc matrix]

What do you mean by "put your standards lower"? Is that better to have a lower standard?

[warm bloom]

yes

[mossy nexus]

Consider that thousands of people across the world have tried to make games, they have dedicated years of time, living off hardly any cash to make them trying their best. And fail. Most games never make money.

[warm bloom]

also having your standards too high is bad

you cant make a triple a quality game

right from the get-go

[celest musk]

yea big companies proofed that they all got the right mindset to sell you a good product...

[mossy nexus]

Naa, having high standards isn't bad per se, it's that you have to balance your expectations vs skill vs time

[celest musk]

the only reason they fix their shit is to keep making money from it

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[celest musk]

a lot of game types need budget for voice actors, etc.

[mossy nexus]

AAA quality means shit these days. Big companies can make shit games and indeed have done for years

[celest musk]

and a team which keeps doing it until it's done

[warm bloom]

true

[mossy nexus]

Voice acting? I point you towards https://beta.elevenlabs.io/ 😄

[celest musk]

and some kind of director, otherwise it wont follow a straight line and everyone wants their shit integrated in the game until the plot is a total mess

[celest musk]

yea things like this may change things in the future

[mossy nexus]

Like Star Citizen? 😄

https://youtu.be/IREgYXOJDe4

[celest musk]

also a lot of games live from their modding community

which is often mostly open source

[mossy nexus]

Skyrim is probably the best example of that. It's stayed in the top 10 steam games since launch [or there abouts] it's primarily the modding community that's keeping it active

Hundreds of mods for it created every year

[proud jay]

I mean

the whole MMOBA genre came from warcraft 3 mods

[celest musk]

pretty much any game i've played had also mods available, and they usually made the game more enjoyable and added features which the original lacks

and that's a shame for companies making big cash with it

which raises the question if that's intended or just a lack of interest for the actual playerbase

but well, as long as the pig in the stable won't run away the farmer will be happily just feed it until it's their day...

[proud jay]

mm pig

tasty

[cursive crypt]

Mmm salad, fantastic

[proud jay]

uh oh

watchparty starting and I'm not even home yet

[celest musk]

In all of these AI videos Trump is basically just Cartman and I love it.

that somehow really nails it

[cursive crypt]

And I am busy with other things

[warm bloom]

i cant even join the watch together lol

it doesnt give me the ability

[cursive crypt]

Will save some time with watching it later, fast forwarding.

[proud jay]

probably need to level up first to unlock ability

[rare sparrow]

Says only pfist is in the activity

[zinc matrix]

judging from chat feed, all fortnite players are watching on yt

[ancient ingot]

yes lol

[cursive crypt]

Lol, to be expected

I wonder how many fortniters are in this server.

[timber viper]

one of the most badass programmers I met plays fortnite obsessively

rarely roams around #cpp too

[still geyser]

I just started for R&D / Prep for Creative 2.0

[proud jay]

pff it's a mic disabled kinda watchparty

might as well watch on youtube then

[proud jay]

who

[soft night]

what is happening when side is so fulled with things

i get food and this sidebar watch party is and state of unreal is on 30mins

i guess nothing for me

[mossy nexus]

started 40 mins ago

[soft night]

when you first see fortnite for me its death of interest

[zinc matrix]

did you really expect that there wouldnt be anything about fortnite?

[mossy nexus]

the proc-gen stuff looks potentially interesting

[zinc matrix]

yea, i was thinking first to wait for full release, but that changed my mind

[zinc matrix]

that proc gen stuff look cool but it seem like there is nothing new to it

those stuff has been around for a while

[proud jay]

there's a watch party if you wanna chat while watching

[zinc matrix]

im late so im watching from begin

im sorry that i interrupted this busy chat 🙂

[soft night]

like everything 100% is frotnite

[primal summit]

it is the cash cow, ue's the loss leader

[zinc matrix]

i feel like unreal engine is the god and the future and fortnite is some random crap game yet they are always put together

[soft night]

think if you wake up and first you see is somethng you dont want to see first when you wake up

[primal summit]

can't have life without a universe

universe costs to make, life makes profit

[soft night]

life makes profit when for me life is suffering to death without any profit

[mossy nexus]

Loss leader implies it makes a loss, no?

[proud jay]

UEFN actually looking sick

[soft night]

if you say so, for me anything fortnite related nowdays is boring

[mossy nexus]

UE6 confirmed 😄

[soft night]

bland state of unreal

like everything this year it seems

[brittle linden]

I like how unreal expanded to other markets(like movies, TV and etc...) but unlike unity they did it in a perfect way.

[proud jay]

but dude, did you watchit

they made like CoD in fortnite lol

[soft night]

unity more fragmented to they thing when it was more cohesive

[proud jay]

wtf is that sentence

is that english

[soft night]

@proud jay when i get to fortnite when joining 30mins late got me off

everything is english

its just translted from other langueges by AI - Rick from Nvidia

you referenced cod hehe, other game what I never ever play

[proud jay]

they first showed some boring fortnite stuff

but the UEFN thing was lit

[proud jay]

that's not the point, you can make anything you want

[slow gyro]

Why do I need Fortnite to do that

Those resources could be spend on the normal editor

[proud jay]

cause it's lower barrier to entry

[soft night]

why just make game with unreal editor without anything of fortnite

[slow gyro]

This push for MetaVerse through FN is just annoying

[proud jay]

and it's just there in fortnite then, no need to go through publishing steps and stuff

I think it democratizes game dev a lot

[soft night]

eXi yeah also i see it like that Core thing

[slow gyro]

Idk. UEFN isn't really attractive to me. I would much rather see improvements to the core engine/editor

[soft night]

what use lua what is build top of unreal engine

[proud jay]

I mean, it's not like UEFN is really taking away from UE though

I think it will drive development, like fortnite itself does

[slow gyro]

I thought the whole state of unreal was pretty much dominated by this if we cut out the game announcements

[proud jay]

the procedural stuff was pretty cool too

and the meta animation is interesting

[slow gyro]

But the bigger picture is that all of that just serves building a big metaverse with FN as the backbone

And the idea of sharing assets bought in project a in project b

And then I heard the word NFT and I started questioning where this is going over time

[proud jay]

wait he said NFT?

we were memeing about that in chat

but I didn't actually hear it

[slow gyro]

Well he said it's going to be part of the future

[proud jay]

but you need to look at UEFN from the other side, not from a game dev, but from a player perspective

[slow gyro]

Listed with other stuff

[proud jay]

see how roblox is booming with their custom stuff

[slow gyro]

The players are money cows aren't they?

[zinc matrix]

So they made Unity with Unreal Engine?

[proud jay]

well, companies like to make money don't they

[slow gyro]

Sure but it's an increasing trend to make money from peeps that don't really understand anymore where what money goes

And especially not where all that data goes they provide

I'm just careful with big tech companies these days

My whole business uses UE and if epic goes to strange places then that's not so positiv for me. The game pov is not so important then

But I will sit back and watch and see what happens first

[zinc matrix]

damn i really hope unreal engine don't go into the NFT stuff

[slow gyro]

It's just a subjectively negative feeling that this state of unreal left me with. Not saying the stuff they do is bad.

[soft night]

for me fortnite is dead anyway

[slow gyro]

Fortnite is not my type of game so I don't care about it at all

From that pov

As a developer I'm happy about stuff that gets pushed back into the engine

[proud jay]

but you're not the only person in the world

still makes billions

[slow gyro]

Although it became clearer and clearer that this means non FN stuff will not see any love and updates

[proud jay]

as a company it makes sense to invest in the place where you make your money

[zinc matrix]

i hate fortnite but this one is true tho

[slow gyro]

Yeah hundred percent. But I don't see why that requires Metaverse stuff

Allowing users to create FN content more easily is cool

[proud jay]

have you seen roblox

[slow gyro]

No

[soft night]

when the fortnite start to drop interest everything falls then

[proud jay]

roblox is making bank cause of their customizability

there's actual people being full time roblox devs

[slow gyro]

Yeah and gacha games make money cause of their 13 different in-game currency and loot box systems

Is that a good thing? Probably not?

[proud jay]

good for the gacha company still though

[night grove]

Roblox exploits child labor - change my mind.gif

[slow gyro]

I don't think it's worth discussing that this is a good move for epic

[fluid bloom]

if you're under 18 yo and modding a game, are you being exploited as child labor? 🤔

[zinc matrix]

i get your point but the easier it get, the less customization you can do, therefore the end product would be worse

[slow gyro]

I'm more interested in what this means for smaller companies that use UE and don't care about UEFN and the Metaverse

[zinc matrix]

it's not like a step forward or something

at the end of the day, the thing matter is still the end product right?

[night grove]

There's actually a deep deep rabbit hole behind my comment. I've only explored a very small part of it, and it may not be entirely Roblox. Edit: To clarify, the content is on Roblox, but the exploiters may be other companies.

Something something, children hired by companies and paid next to nothing for their work on popular Roblox worlds (or w/e they are called)

What I saw it looked like MLM schemes

Did they share what kind of revenue share will be available for UEFN?

I got bored by the livestream when it looked like it was mostly just launch announcements

I'll watch it later at 2x speed if there is anything interesting

[proud jay]

idk how they will do it, but they said they would allocate 40% of net revenue of all of fortnite to pay creators

[night grove]

Don't they make something like 4.5 billion per year?

Do they honestly think UEFN will double their revenue?

[proud jay]

that's what they said

about the 40%, not the doubling

[night grove]

Yeah the doubling was quick napkin math on my part. If they start paying an extra 40% fee on total revenue next year, then they need to have a big YoY increase or it will be a tremendous loss for growth.

[slow gyro]

Pretty sure that's a gamble

[proud jay]

well of net revenue, so at least it's slightly less than everything

[slow gyro]

One they can take if it doesn't work out

[proud jay]

they can always adjust

[warm bloom]

they most likely expect a loss of revenue because trying to combat roblox

[slow gyro]

They saw what Creative does

And how many people create things with it

And thye hope that UEFN allows for more custom stuff that even more people want to use

And if that's true, then they could get more $ out of it

[sweet rose]

If Fortnite takes over Mobile, Roblox is dead

[slow gyro]

If UEFN isn't used a lot, well then not

[proud jay]

it looked pretty neat though

custom assets and all

[slow gyro]

Did they say anything about FAB (... that name) and Verse coming to normal UE?

[warm bloom]

i agree almosts all the announcements tied into UEFN which kinda sucks i mean the coolest thing i saw was substrate

[soft night]

the name i dont like at all

[proud jay]

they said Fab was coming, but not yet when

[warm bloom]

fab is in UEFN

right now

[slow gyro]

Yeah I asked for outside of UEFN

[warm bloom]

no idea

[sweet rose]

didn't they say they're releasing the FAB plugin on UE

?

[proud jay]

yes they did

but not yet when right?

[slow gyro]

I checked the start of the stream again and it was really mostly Materials (Strata), some proc gen stuff, and then game previews, a bit of facial motion capture and then FAB and UEFN

But they didn't say anything about Verse and normal UE?

[proud jay]

not that I heard

[warm bloom]

verse is not going to normal UE

[slow gyro]

Sad

[warm bloom]

for a while i think

[slow gyro]

What a waste

[warm bloom]

😦

[celest musk]

did they say that?

[sweet rose]

I heard they were releasing it tonight, maybe i misheard

[warm bloom]

its not in the current build

but its in UEFN

[proud jay]

either way, it's coming

[slow gyro]

I would have loved to get a text based scripting language

[warm bloom]

same

[proud jay]

I think it will come to unreal eventually though

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/stealth-snake-hidden-sneak-sneaky-gif-19645540

[proud jay]

would be a shame not to

[celest musk]

you can have python

[slow gyro]

Isn't that only for editor extensions?

[warm bloom]

man this procedural stuff is cool and all but the talks about it are boring

[soft night]

but not hornet or bee?

[proud jay]

yes

[zinc matrix]

are you guys serious about the text based hype? I thought we all love C++

[warm bloom]

we might still have hope the talk for verse itself is later today?

[celest musk]

ah, i thought it would also support runtime

[proud jay]

dude, imagine the iteration time improvement

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/scaredsim-back-to-the-future-retour-vers-le-futur-regard-insistant-emmett-brown-gif-22792534

[warm bloom]

verse would be amazing

blueprints are cluttered and slow for iteration

[proud jay]

and shit for source control

[warm bloom]

i dont wanna deal with C++ either tbh

[zinc matrix]

but verse would be less performant than c++ right

it's like python

[proud jay]

I mean

BP runs fine for the mostt part

Verse can't be worse

[zinc matrix]

it's like hype for the blueprint people

[soft night]

it is worse than blueprints

[slow gyro]

Burn Blueprints ffs

[proud jay]

wdym

[slow gyro]

Make C++ quicker to iterate

[soft night]

blueprints for life

[slow gyro]

Don't spend freaking millions on Fortnite shit

[proud jay]

ew

[warm bloom]

i doubt verse performance will be bad

[slow gyro]

I will die on that hill I guess

[warm bloom]

its probably heavily tuned

entirely for its purpose

[zinc matrix]

truth

[proud jay]

I mean, you can go try it out in EUFN right now

[warm bloom]

i mean the overhead could not be worse than blueprints

[proud jay]

surely soon we will hear people talk about it

[zinc matrix]

you gotta trust our man tim sweeney. When he got money he would get back to unreal engine

[slow gyro]

He has money

[soft night]

for verse you need 44jiggawats of power to run it properly

[slow gyro]

All I see is them wanting even more money

And even more control

Like any other big tech company

[proud jay]

I want more money too

[slow gyro]

Which is valid from their POV

[proud jay]

who would want less money

[warm bloom]

they're so heavy on revenue cuts so they have no competition too LOL

they're trying to take all the players

[zinc matrix]

idk about you but i have seen 1 man that have 200 billion dollar and still love technical aspect of stuff

[slow gyro]

I just want the Engine that I use for the past 7 years to improve

[celest musk]

yea they want control but cant even handle their marketplace

[proud jay]

it will still improve

[warm bloom]

there is no a single person who has 200 billion in liquid cash

[proud jay]

he even said at the end there would be a ue6

[warm bloom]

networth != money

[slow gyro]

The FAB thing, if that thing opens up without curation then it's gonna be the same shit place that the MP is now

[unreal ether]

yoo i just told i have an update on my interview and its "good news"

[night grove]

I wish a trickle of the Fortnite money would be used to upgrade Epic Launcher

[unreal ether]

im getting a call tomorrow

[proud jay]

it just combines sketchfab, artstation and MP no?

[slow gyro]

Yeah for example..

[unreal ether]

if i actually get it im gonna be so happy

[slow gyro]

Or to pay the person who wanted to push the Network Prediction Plugin

[proud jay]

hype

[warm bloom]

i like the idea behind them unifying assets and certain aspects already seem better

[proud jay]

wishing you the best

[warm bloom]

like the asset sharing

[unreal ether]

thanks :D

[zinc matrix]

haiya. Just a way of talking bro
But hey again, there is 1 person that can have 200 billion dollar cash

[warm bloom]

and the viewing of models and performance stuff

[proud jay]

this was the interview you needed the cam and quiet room for?

[slow gyro]

It just has the bitter taste of monopoly

[proud jay]

or was that not you

[zinc matrix]

Putin

[warm bloom]

i mean thats just the reality

[unreal ether]

it was indeed

[proud jay]

very nice

[warm bloom]

and having subsidiaries cuts into epic games revenue

[unreal ether]

ended up booking a room. none of the equipment worked though. so i had to make some janky setup with my phone

[proud jay]

not after this war lol

[unreal ether]

was such a waste of time booking the room tbf

[proud jay]

at least you had some quiet space

[warm bloom]

oooo

a talk on physics

[unreal ether]

yeah at this point its going to be impossible to compete with epic on a level ground

[warm bloom]

current panel is on physics

if anyone is interested

[slow gyro]

sigh

I'm getting too old for this shit

[unreal ether]

i mean im all for the advancements with ue and it's partners. makes my life nice and cool. but also makes me really hard to be excited for any up and coming competitors.
Like i used to really like the idea of godot, but thats just lagging behind

[proud jay]

yeah, unity is just disappointing now

[unreal ether]

physics are the bane of my existence

[warm bloom]

i dislike the "fab" stuff being similar to the current megascans integration

that is terrible

[warm bloom]

the biggest unity release is a update to their HDRP water system

👀

[soft night]

eXi same

when hitting 40 means everything is feeling so much shit

[zinc matrix]

same bro i am hitting 20 feel bad

[proud jay]

wow that is totally not depressing

why are you guys so sad lol

I'm hyped to get old

[unreal ether]

the only way a new engine could enter the market at this point is if epic bought it.
even if a new engine entered in with fantastic ui, super cool reflection systems, a visual scripting language that compiles down to machine code and whatever else, it would still be overshadowed by the fact that ue has megascans, bink video, free for the month assets and what have you.

[warm bloom]

they're depressed with the features released thus far

but how do you ever follow up lumen and nanite without disappointment

[proud jay]

ok but, lumberyard

[zinc matrix]

for what??

[unreal ether]

nanite^2

[sweet rose]

*3D

[proud jay]

idk my life is only getting better

[warm bloom]

may i suggest you guys use cry engine

[zinc matrix]

getting old may be good if you are rich

[proud jay]

half this chat is already crying apparently, just missing the engine

[proud jay]

why

[unreal ether]

never heard of it and amazon really did make an engine huh.
it looks like someone just gave an imgui app a different color scheme

[warm bloom]

i think a lot of people were excited to have more production ready features but all these are still a bit out

💀💀

[proud jay]

it's a fork of cry engine

[warm bloom]

i think cry engine has a major overhaul since then though lmao

[proud jay]

idk

never used it

[night grove]

Is Lumberyard still around?

[proud jay]

I think not

[night grove]

I haven't heard anyone talk about it for a while. But I've also been out of the loop.

[zinc matrix]

unreal engine just beat everyone with lumen & nanite

[zinc matrix]

unless someone could stand up and make their own version of lumen & nanite

we have no option

[celest musk]

isn't that the former cry engine?

[night grove]

HA! In business speak that means they want to minimize cost without getting backlash or law suits. LOL.

[proud jay]

^

[proud jay]

the engine had an agreement that you could only use AWS for your game cloud services lol

[night grove]

Yeah I remember that. I was considering Lumberyard at one point but went UE instead.

[celest musk]

cry engine didn't look tooo bad

so it could go somewhere i guess

[proud jay]

wait lmao

star citizen uses lumberyard

[warm bloom]

starcitizen uses their own fork of the engine

[night grove]

Don't they have like billions in kickstarter money though?

[warm bloom]

they have their own engine at this point

lol

[proud jay]

half a billy I think

[celest musk]

but the problem is finding good dev's who work on an engine

maybe some retired ones

[proud jay]

I'd love to be engine developer if it paid as well as just corporate swe

[celest musk]

guess it doesn't

maybe at epic or unity

[night grove]

I wish I could take a masterclass from the Star Citizen devs. "How to repeatedly raise funding without releasing a product"

[proud jay]

maybe if I worked remote for US company

[celest musk]

yea

[proud jay]

I was wrong, it's 2 billion

[warm bloom]

*and charge thousands for our artists to model spaceships

[night grove]

They've done some really crazy fund raising stunts

[celest musk]

but then... what would you do on an engine?

[night grove]

Jinx! I was just going to talk about that.

[proud jay]

and they're still selling in game stuff for obscene amounts I think

[fathom wadi]

the details of those star citizen ships are worth thousands tbh :p

[warm bloom]

yep..

[unreal ether]

go for a talk by the DreamWorld devs. they got millions in funding when their only gameplay was manny running around a landscape.
those poor investors were royally ripped off

[proud jay]

https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/uefn/learn-programming-with-verse-in-unreal-editor-for-fortnite

[night grove]

Sigh. I'm not depressed because I'm getting old. I'm depressed because I need to seek funding soon.

[proud jay]

for game>?

[fathom wadi]

Learn programming with C++ and be better 😄

[warm bloom]

its so tuned for children oh my fuck

that is cursed dieter

WHAT THE FUCK

[night grove]

Yes. Been self employed for 15 months on my project. I have shared very very little.

[proud jay]

have you heard of wildlife? (nsfw btw)

[celest musk]

some people here could still learn from it

maybe even me

[unreal ether]

i havent

[night grove]

Trying to push out some videos soon (TM)

[celest musk]

you haven't missed out

except for an ongoing scam

[celest musk]

or money laundry

considering their location

[proud jay]

they make bank on patreon

[unreal ether]

i try and google it and i just get National Wildlife Federation scam warning

lmao

[proud jay]

try "wildlife rpg"

[zinc matrix]

what kind of game project took you 15 months? a triple A game?

[proud jay]

or wildlife adult rpg

[fathom wadi]

god that syntax makes me want to apologise to Python for all the years of abuse.

[proud jay]

15 months is not that much for a game tbh, especially when working alone

[night grove]

Custom replicated destruction. I thought it would be EZ.

[proud jay]

depending on what you make of course

[fathom wadi]

deterministic?

[night grove]

I'm doing full GAS Moba style gameplay

[night grove]

Yes

[unreal ether]

oh wow

[celest musk]

well tl;dr they make like 100k/month and the only person working from them seems to be their animator

[proud jay]

these mfs really decided to use comic sans

[celest musk]

since no gameplay is added for months

[warm bloom]

what is this spacing

[zinc matrix]

the language look cursed af

[fathom wadi]

its one of those new keyboards with the TAAAAAAAAAAAB button.

[warm bloom]

it might be just as bad as python

🤦

[proud jay]

starting a function body with = is cursed

[fathom wadi]

no shebangs, no end of lines. I can't take it.

[proud jay]

@terse wasp is gonna enjoy this

[warm bloom]

im gonna have to write my own flavor of verse to use this dogshit syntax

[fluid bloom]

Lies and slander

[proud jay]

no, it really is

[fluid bloom]

I like it

[warm bloom]

who wrote THIS

WHO DID THIS

FUCK im switching to UNITY

[terse wasp]

Just you wait until I get off work. UEFN here I come baby

[fathom wadi]

foreach(around) { phone = 555-813211; }

[fleet tangle]

Why []player and not player[]?

[proud jay]

how did it take 8 lessons to get to this

using { /Fortnite.com/Devices }
using { /Fortnite.com/Characters }
using { /Fortnite.com/Playspaces }
using { /Verse.org/Simulation }
using { /Verse.org/Verse }

hello_world_device := class(creative_device):

    # Runs when the device is started in a running game
    OnBegin<override>()<suspends>:void=

        HurtPlayer(80.0)
        Print("Player Hurt")

    CalculateDamage(PlayerHealth : float, DesiredDamageAmount : float, MinHealth : float) : float = 
        # If the damage amount would not eliminate the player, do that amount of damage
        if (PlayerHealth > DesiredDamageAmount):
            return DesiredDamageAmount
        else if (PlayerHealth > MinHealth):
            # Give player one more chance if their health is low
            return PlayerHealth - MinHealth
        else:
            # Eliminate player
            return PlayerHealth

    HurtPlayer(DamageAmount : float) : void =
        Playspace: fort_playspace = GetPlayspace()
        AllPlayers: []player = Playspace.GetPlayers()
        if (Player : player = AllPlayers[0]):
            if (FortniteCharacter : fort_character = Player.GetFortCharacter[]):
                MyCharacterHealth : float = FortniteCharacter.GetHealth()
                DamageToDo : float = CalculateDamage(MyCharacterHealth, DamageAmount, 1.0)
                FortniteCharacter.Damage(DamageToDo)
                Print("{DamageToDo} damage dealt to player")

    HealPlayer(HealAmount : float) : void =
        Playspace: fort_playspace = GetPlayspace()
        AllPlayers: []player = Playspace.GetPlayers()
        if (Player : player = AllPlayers[0]):
            if (FortniteCharacter : fort_character = Player.GetFortCharacter[]):
                FortniteCharacter.Heal(HealAmount)

[warm bloom]

I KNOW

[fathom wadi]

jesus whats this visual studio online

[proud jay]

when is discord adding verse highlighting

[zinc matrix]

if only they spent 10% of the time they used on Verse into Proc Gen, we may have a whole Minecraft system here

[warm bloom]

THERE IS NO SPACING

[proud jay]

you never used vscode in browser?

[warm bloom]

THERE IS SHITTY DATA-TYPES

WHAT IS THIS

THERE IS NO BRACKETS

[proud jay]

you can open any github repo in browser vscode by pressint .

[proud jay]

have you heard of python

[warm bloom]

EVEN PYTHON IS BETTER THAN THIS

[celest musk]

THAN

[proud jay]

then what

[fathom wadi]

no I only code with old IBM punch cards.

[terse wasp]

At least it ain't C++

[warm bloom]

this language doesn't even have keywords...

[proud jay]

I literally only use it to browse github repos without cloning 😄

[zinc matrix]

python is pretty good i was a python dev

[warm bloom]

why does it not have keywords

[celest musk]

yea no braces... i'll probably never use it

i hate myself, but not thaaat much

[proud jay]

isn't if and alese keywords

[warm bloom]

true but i mean for functions or variables

[fathom wadi]

python has it's uses, and it's good at it, but writing it is like eating puke from a soup bowl

[proud jay]

I think it looks pretty ok for a "noob" language tbh

it's like strongly typed python

[fleet tangle]

I think they've changed things for no reason just to be different.

[warm bloom]

i really wish they went with brackets

[fathom wadi]

didn't they try to add Haskell-esque stuff into verse too?

[proud jay]

they could've just used Go though

[zinc matrix]

Verse may be the first language that have API to change syntax every update

[warm bloom]

this is so weird

and jank

[proud jay]

why would you use set

[warm bloom]

I DONT KNOW

[fleet tangle]

I'm just referring to the []type instead of type[]

[proud jay]

ok that is cursed though

[fleet tangle]

Maybe it's to keep the [] near the variable name...

[proud jay]

at least use a const qualifier then instead of the other way around

[terse wasp]

I mean - Tim has been talking about the problems that Verse is supposed to be solving for 2+ decades. I don't think Tim and the team of professional language designers are unaware of the languages on the field.

[warm bloom]

this is one of the SHITIEST syntaxes ive seen

[proud jay]

they wanna be rust

wdym it's a bubble

go is pretty nice to write small stuff

[warm bloom]

"LETS BE DIFFERENT"

LOGIC TYPE

[terse wasp]

"small" stuff. Verse is supposed to scale to millions

[fleet tangle]

Why rename that to logic?

[warm bloom]

THERE IS NO REASON

[proud jay]

well go can scale, I have just never done it :p

[fathom wadi]

that constant syntax is odd. You define the constant by setting the variable on construct. But that's usually where you assign the default value. So now you have to define it, and separately define the default on a new line (or in new context). Strange.

[fleet tangle]

I admit, bool may not be the most well known word outside of programming, but ti's a poor replacement.

[proud jay]

it's specifically designed for scaling web services

[celest musk]

well, logic type is not wrong either

[zinc matrix]

elon musk do the same stuff on rocket for 2+ decades too, yet he fail dozen of time

[warm bloom]

logic makes so much less sense than boolean

[terse wasp]

Elon Musk is also a fucking idiot

[celest musk]

it makes so much more sense imho

[fleet tangle]

Logic is too grand a word for a single true/false

[proud jay]

why are you such a fanboy

this is the second time you mention him in like 30 min

[zinc matrix]

elon's cool

[celest musk]

bitwise operations are also called logic operations

[proud jay]

cringe

[terse wasp]

I don't know why Crayon is yelling though.

[timber viper]

verse effect

so when the fuck we see the vm

[proud jay]

just decompile uefn

[fleet tangle]

So many people are gonna think the V in VM stands for Verse.

[terse wasp]

Just a crayon eater.

[timber viper]

did you mean... device instead?

🥁

[warm bloom]

god they might as well called the logic type flipflop

[timber viper]

gr8 you invented a new thing

[fathom wadi]

pretty sure I have VD before Unreal existed tbh

[timber viper]

proof or never happened

[fathom wadi]

you really don't want proof. Stuff went... green.

[mossy nexus]

Did you see a doctor?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[timber viper]

oh

ok

i wont google VD

[mossy nexus]

😄

[fathom wadi]

if you google it and see my ex, give her my regards.

[proud jay]

idk if true,but funny

[terse wasp]

#verse

[timber viper]

oh man.. i really shouldnt have google vd

[fathom wadi]

dude if you knew how toxic this girl was.... she literally faked ovarian cancer so she could abandon our daughter for a bloke.

and thats just one thing of a thousand.

[zinc matrix]

are you living in korean drama series wtf

[proud jay]

makes sense

how's your new house marc

[fathom wadi]

Honestly it was my own fault. I was so eager for a girlfriend I accepted the trash.

[zinc matrix]

was she hot

[fathom wadi]

I don't have one yet. around 4 weeks till eviction.

[fathom wadi]

admittedly yes.

[proud jay]

oh I thought you moved already

why you do this to me google

[timber viper]

use vpn

[fathom wadi]

nope. kept getting turned down because 1. an old debt and 2. they said I didnt earn enough, which was because I took time off to find a house whilst my wife looked after the kids

[proud jay]

too lazy

[timber viper]

switch to fake freedom country

[proud jay]

might as well use bing chat

[fathom wadi]

now my entire family is heading to a hostel

and I want to hang myself

[warm bloom]

verse copies a lot of rust syntax

[proud jay]

yeah but they made it even worse

[warm bloom]

i agree a lot of the syntax is very bad

[proud jay]

you'll end up somewhere eventually

[warm bloom]

its trying to be unique

[proud jay]

Verse is like Python + Rust + Go

[fathom wadi]

we all end up somewhere eventually.... but imagine being a pro game dev, had money in the bank, paid rent for 10 years, then you get booted out, no home, nobody will rent you and you have 5 kids and a wife. It's intense.

[warm bloom]

ima have to write a verse superset

🥹

[proud jay]

yeah it sounds rough

[zinc matrix]

"you have 5 kids and a wife"
life choice mistake

[proud jay]

but only way is up then I guess

[zinc matrix]

single forever bitch!

[proud jay]

thanks for the insight

[fathom wadi]

get fucked its not a mistake. She had kids when we met and we made some together because we love each other. That's a stupid thing to say

[proud jay]

I really see your character coming together with being an elon musk fan

[zinc matrix]

cmon.. its a common joke when people said getting marry is a life mistake

[fathom wadi]

fair enough if thats an apology. But damn man that was close to the bone at a sensitive time

[proud jay]

not after someone just tells you they're at a low point in their life lol

also very boomer joke tbh

[fathom wadi]

lots of mgtow crap making money right now so it's popular

[proud jay]

from times when people didn't really marry for love

yeah I don't get the whole andrew tate wave

how can that guy be appealing to anyone with an iq above 16

[unborn lotus]

he just got another 30 days in prison, looks like our justice system is not so bad after all

[proud jay]

are you from romania?

[fathom wadi]

disenfranchised youth is easy to manipulate

[proud jay]

I really hope my future kids don't end up in that spiral

[celest musk]

what? fortnite?

[fathom wadi]

mine won't and my DNA is gonna last a thousand years with all the kids I have 😄

[celest musk]

aren't only some of them yours?

[unborn lotus]

given enough time everybody in the future will be related to you

[celest musk]

or do you spit in their food? 😄

[fathom wadi]

I consider them all mine and they consider me their father. 2 are not mine. But the rest are.

[proud jay]

you just have to hug them enough so your dna gets engrained in their skin

[fathom wadi]

she had 2 kids when we met. We had 3 together. I have another 2 with other women because my rock n roll lifestyle was kinda reckless and I didn't want to live

[celest musk]

wait wth

[fathom wadi]

DMX had 17 kids so ...

[zinc matrix]

wife and children, duh those things come with so much responsibility i could never imagine myself in that situation

[fathom wadi]

it rewards itself really

[proud jay]

you do you

no one forcing you to have a partner and kids

[fathom wadi]

looking at my son's face as he looks to me like I'm a god, and copies me and tries to impress me. It's beautiful watching him grow.

[proud jay]

we're planning on having 3 kids, I'm stoked

[celest musk]

you already have some?

[proud jay]

my nephew is 2 now, he's the coolest dude ever

[fathom wadi]

3 is a nice number. 4 starts getting rough. 5... you need a housewife 😄

[proud jay]

not yet

[celest musk]

adopt me

please

😄

[proud jay]

and getting a sister in a month

[proud jay]

lol no

why

[proud jay]

we both come from a family of 4 kids, so 3 is a good starting point 😄

[celest musk]

yea make at least 2

they're like hamsters

[zinc matrix]

if you have relationship one day you just can't wake up and decide to do something too crazy right?

[celest musk]

and get lonely when they are alone

[proud jay]

why not

[fathom wadi]

listen im sorry if I came across a bit morbid there with the comments. my pharmacy has messed up my anxiety and depression medication and I'm cold turkey right now. So I'm leaning towards the morbid thoughts.

[proud jay]

as long as they don't become reality

[zinc matrix]

because after that point, every choice you made you will have to think for your family and children

[fathom wadi]

kids are the great protector in that situation. I couldn't have them go through it

[proud jay]

well if you have kids, sure you can't go just base jumping of mountains without thoughts or something

[fathom wadi]

a man stands up and take it right?

[proud jay]

it really depends what you mean with something too crazy lol

[celest musk]

some do

and actually start to do even if they never intended before

[fathom wadi]

yeah this situation is rough. But then I think of people hanging off a boat to get here. Could be worse

[proud jay]

well you can, but I hope you at least think it through

just because someone has worse problems then you doesn't make your situation not valid though

[zinc matrix]

it's hard to have depression when you have a purpose to live

really easy when you don't got one

[fathom wadi]

yeah but it does give you reason to push through it without slipping into the decadent nature of feeling sorry for yourself. I have Fortnite players to sell stuff too so I should just get on with it :/

[proud jay]

it's not necessarily related

if you have a purpose and you don't achieve it, that could be depressing too

[proud jay]

gonna make bank with uefn now

[fathom wadi]

heh tell me about it. I was meant to be a musician until I spiral fractured my finger

[proud jay]

F

piano?

[fathom wadi]

hell yeah. Watch how much useless crap I can put out

I bought a piano late last year and began to learn it. Written 3 songs so far. So it's nice to get back to the musical output

[proud jay]

sounds nice

[fathom wadi]

yeah its a nice midi keyboard too 🙂

[proud jay]

I have a midi keyboard and I kinda regret it's only midi without built in speaker

[fathom wadi]

https://nektartech.com/impact-lx88-controller-keyboard/ this one

[proud jay]

like I always have to be at pc to use it

looks slick

[fathom wadi]

I've not even used 90% of it's features yet. 😄

I do play the black keys too though because im not racist.

[proud jay]

lol

[celest musk]

aren't there devices with midi interface to turn it into sound?

[fathom wadi]

no its a controller

[proud jay]

well yeah

but then you need to buy that

[celest musk]

probably something like that exists even for raspberry pi or similar

also how does midi work nowadays? usb?

[fathom wadi]

you can find some keyboards with built in tools for sequencing and stuff, but they are generally short shots.

yeah

[celest musk]

last time i had to "deal" with it it was like the joystick port of the soundcard, too

some weird 15 pin connector iirc

[fathom wadi]

Midi spec 2.0 is done too so devices are starting to get that, which is bi-directional midi

yeah I still have old midi cables with a Soundblaster Live Pro

[proud jay]

mine is usb-b to usb-a

[fathom wadi]

is that the little square end?

[proud jay]

square ish yeah

[fathom wadi]

yeah I use that one too

works with my printer also which saved me a cable purchase 😄

[proud jay]

there wasn't a cable included?

now you can make music with your printer maybe

[fathom wadi]

not with the printer for some reason

[proud jay]

oh lol

strange

[fathom wadi]

yeah the wife bought it cheap

that feeling when you want to get on with it, but the rest of house wants to download games on the sly :/

[proud jay]

I had this friend who always had shit connection. after like 4 years, we discovered it was because his dad was backing up his entire mailbox like every day by accident

he turned it off and the internet was like 200 times faster lol

[fathom wadi]

ouch

[celest musk]

in the meantime i get scammed by my telco which serves 16mbit at the price of 50 (and it was 50 for a few months...)

[fathom wadi]

I used to be the only one plugged into the router as I dont like wifi. But we had to move the router so I went wireless. Now I can't just disable the wifi whilst I download and pretend my internets off too :p

[blissful ermine]

Is out creative 2.0

[fathom wadi]

yes

[unborn lotus]

kinda slow here too 😅

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-25249881

[proud jay]

I used to be hooked up to the cable, was lit times, but now my desk is nowhere near close to the router, so it goes over powerline to cable now

which is ok, but not as great

[fathom wadi]

yeah I have my lad on a powerline too. Better than wifi but not as good as cabled.

[zinc matrix]

Look like 2.4G speed

try switch to 5G

i move my house yesterday and used 2.4G instead of 5G. It's 20 time slower

[proud jay]

why move your house instead of moving yourself

[zinc matrix]

i moved myself.

[unborn lotus]

I was on a 4g hotspot for months until they installed the fiber

[zinc matrix]

i mean wifi 5G dude.. it's a wifi connection type

[fathom wadi]

its on 5.4ghz it's just 1 router + 12 devices = oof

[zinc matrix]

you can install another router with another internet connection. I saw people do that all the time

that way is cheaper than getting a bigger bandwidth and also more stable

[proud jay]

you underestimate the annoyance of belgian internet providers

[unborn lotus]

or he can wait until everybody falls asleep for some peace, quiet, and fast download

[proud jay]

they have like their own router and shit that everything has to go through

can't even just edit my router settings

have to go through their stupid app

[zinc matrix]

dafuk sound like north korean stuff

[broken sigil]

@terse wasp 😅

[celest musk]

wait wasn't that regulated by eu law?

[fathom wadi]

my kids stay up later than me lol

[celest musk]

oh apparently only in germany

[proud jay]

good thing I have the great choice between the whole 2 providers that provide decent service

[unborn lotus]

but how much it costs?

[celest musk]

well, we had the same shit and they passed a law which prohibited that

[proud jay]

internet in belgium is a duopoly shitshow

[terse wasp]

Hmmmm - BM doesn't like the look of Verse. BM's bot doesn't like Verse...coincidence much!?!?

[proud jay]

almost 55 bucks for unlimited 300mbps

[fathom wadi]

my ISp router is awful. there is no QoS on it. I mean, who makes a router without QoS?

[celest musk]

well... it's actually one provider?!

[unborn lotus]

that's wild

[celest musk]

or do you have 2 lines coming to your house

[broken sigil]

[celest musk]

they just rent out from the one which owns the network in that area

[proud jay]

they rent each others lines

[zinc matrix]

damn i can install 20 routers as long as i can pay for it. Guess i am living in a free country 🫤

[proud jay]

I mean I can install more routers

shit just has to go through theirs first

I could do custom setup, but too hig effort

[sweet rose]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3ewWPeDvJ2IVe3eIF7YhPh?si=89d72b4871eb4b26

[proud jay]

I don't care enough

[zinc matrix]

you seem don't care enough for anything

[fathom wadi]

I might start a piggyback server that collates all the wifi from down the street, cracks the passwords and unifies the connection for my house 😄

[proud jay]

maybe when I move into the house we're building I'll make full proper setup

[carmine frigate]

@proud jay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL73o48db7s

[proud jay]

it's good enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud jay]

I've seen this

multiple times

[celest musk]

yea it shouldn't be that hard, i used something similar before

[proud jay]

I still don't get it lol

[carmine frigate]

lol

[zinc matrix]

damn i can't help myself at night thinking about this comment

[unborn lotus]

inappropriate

[soft night]

dieter wants 9d chess

[carmine frigate]

yea, it looks kinda fun

[proud jay]

any of you played Tunic?

[fathom wadi]

I think we should reboot chess. Add a battle pass. Seasonal content. Skins for your pieces.

[proud jay]

I heard good stuff about it

chess 2.0

[proud jay]

chess.com already has subscription model

bad enough

[carmine frigate]

chessnite. where u can build walls and do dances

[fathom wadi]

chess + everytime a piece is taken you get to slap the other person

[fathom wadi]

Never heard of it but why did he chew Nick?

[proud jay]

probably heard he tasted good

[fathom wadi]

yeah as tasty as the Tudors tho. Only problem is the splinters.

[carmine frigate]

i like tuna

[proud jay]

gross

[carmine frigate]

you should eat more fish, its healthy

[soft night]

verse went to mute for indefinetly

[unborn lotus]

Maybe he can try some fish fingers made for kids, as the entry point in the world of eating fish lol

[carmine frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-south-park-fish-kiss-gif-12614912

[sweet rose]

let him stick to his chocolate snails

[proud jay]

tfw when you gain 32 rating with one move

[fathom wadi]

I stopped playing chess when I was a teenager. I used to be in the chess club, was dominant. Then my cousin came over from Ireland. I challenged her to a game, and she beat me 3 times in a row without me being able to do much about it. Then she said "Don't worry you did good". Then my mum told me not to worry as my cousin was a leading geneticist in Ireland. I was like "ah crap I have reached my peak early" and quit.

[zinc matrix]

@proud jay why you don't like elon musk? i am curious about the reason

[carmine frigate]

i like electric cars.. solar panels ... spacetravel... but i hate musk 😛

[fathom wadi]

I ask my wife that a lot. She hates him because he's born of blood money. But I couldn't care less about that if he uses it to get us to Mars or reduce dependency on fossil fuels or creates brain interfaces that let disabled people get on with their lives better.

[carmine frigate]

i dont blame him for getting born with bloodmoney either

[celest musk]

you can't hate someone for what he was born into

that's messed up

[fathom wadi]

exactly.

[proud jay]

have you seen how he acts since he bought twitter?

[fathom wadi]

Perhaps he's destroying it on purpose. If I had 44billion I'd do it too

[carmine frigate]

basically his life is on the lines.. he owes the saudis and twitter is hemmoraging money

[celest musk]

could've used that 44b to install more solar farms tho

instead of buying a crap company

[zinc matrix]

no what happended?

[fathom wadi]

you don't build a garden whilst the horse crap is still steaming tho

[celest musk]

the horse crap will go somewhere else

[zinc matrix]

i am not an elon's fan but i dont understand why pp hate him so much

didn't make a lot of sense to me

[fathom wadi]

after watching his Rogan podcast I kinda liked him. He seems very misunderstood because he's a little aspy. or a lot.

[carmine frigate]

he is a narcicist

[fathom wadi]

it takes a narcissist to do big things tho.

[carmine frigate]

nah

great ppl can be humble

[fathom wadi]

great people can. But we talking advancements of everyone not just one person

[carmine frigate]

einstein... nicola tesla... not the car

[celest musk]

hard to tell what they would be like nowadays

[zinc matrix]

humble or not, it's his choice. He has done many great things. People hate him just because of that?

[carmine frigate]

well he does his crypto pump and dumps... takes money of ppl that think he is smart

[fathom wadi]

I always thought Einstein was had narcissistic tendencies. Being a physics expert you have to rise amongst the ranks of the pretentiously intelligent. Even today where relativity clashes with quantum physics you can't get two physicists to agree on everything.

they all presume their own belief on the topic

[celest musk]

i dont know

they might consider both?

[zinc matrix]

sure you can always act humble in the media, but in the mindset if you ever want to do something different, you can't be humble in the mindset

[celest musk]

but try to proof their own theory until the other one succeeded to proof theirs

which on the other hand is a good trait imho

[zinc matrix]

elon just seem like a bad actor

[fathom wadi]

those who go with QM agree on relativity and are searching for ways to clutch on the barriers. But the other way around is another story

he has to act. His entire personality is based internally as his mind factors off into a hundred directions.

[carmine frigate]

he is in debt.. under pressure by some verry bad actors

russia for one

[zinc matrix]

Sure he did some hype for Dodge coin, but that is just for fun bro

i read a bunch of tweets

[fathom wadi]

I missed out on 25k from that hype because the UK banks wouldn't let me transfer to a crypto exchange.

[carmine frigate]

he said he bought dog shit to help poor people... while unloading his bags from other accounts on new buyers

if you dont see that ur pretty blind

[zinc matrix]

well he didn't got caught right?

we can't just make assume that everyone did some crime

[sweet rose]

einstein being humble is the greatest joke i've read today

[carmine frigate]

the hyperloops shit he did was a dirty game aswell

[fathom wadi]

you can guarantee that Elon didn't get where he is without crime involved.

christ... I was forced to burgle a house once. We are all criminals :p

[carmine frigate]

he never claimed to be the smartest man alive... others did... he said it was tesla 😛

[fathom wadi]

thats true

[sweet rose]

he cheated multiple of his romantic partners

[fathom wadi]

because he knew he stole those initial patents :p

[warm bloom]

this GDC has been pretty disappointing so far tbh

I agree with exi

[celest musk]

it's a fricking Ad

[zinc matrix]

don't judge people through their speak, judge people through their action

[warm bloom]

even from the get-go it was rivian

[carmine frigate]

i do 😛

[warm bloom]

and then it's just saying all the bells and whistles you wanted

yeah go develop shit for Fortnite

[carmine frigate]

and speaking is also an action

[fathom wadi]

what if they have no arms and legs and tell someone else to do it. Like Krang from Turtles :p

https://tenor.com/view/krane-tmnt-tmht-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-teenage-mutant-hero-turtles-gif-13251060

[celest musk]

damn i barely remember this

we grew up with some f...ed up stuff

apparently

[zinc matrix]

I didnt mean speak.. literally.
I mean what they said and their word.. you get what i mean

[fathom wadi]

I loved the CG for krang in the second turtles movie. So good

yeah I'm just trying to cheer myself up with silly jokes 🙂

[zinc matrix]

yeah ik your was a joke but owninator seem taking those

[carmine frigate]

the pen is mightier than the sword

[sweet rose]

there is no success without adversity

[carmine frigate]

and he bought the pen

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-pen-is-mightier-gif-19407389

[turbid spindle]

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[sweet rose]

And you can call it dk riding or whatever, but Elon is a very smart guy, I think he knows what he's doing with Twitter

[fathom wadi]

90k members, only 12.5k online. Time to start knocking on doors folks. Get those pamphlets out. Remember to add "No Fortnite Players" for when they inevitably flood in to ask "How do I UEFN?"

[zinc matrix]

imo i am not stupid but i think Elon really want to buy Twitter to make humanity better

[fathom wadi]

nah he didnt want to buy it

he got caught in a troll

[zinc matrix]

then after bought it, he regret

[fathom wadi]

he had to the law said so

[carmine frigate]

well last leadership of twitter was terrible aswell... like the CFO or some shit sold private info of a dissident too a dictator for a measly 100k

but i bet elon is even worse

[sweet rose]

lmao no bruh

[carmine frigate]

you have to be kidding me?

he bought it to make the world better?

[sweet rose]

Imagine working 100 hours a week because you bought something as a troll

y'all funny af

[celest musk]

the law which forces someone to buy twitter is kind of a bad joke tbh

[zinc matrix]

if you really think about it, why the heck a rocket guy want a social media

[celest musk]

as if twitter is of any worth

[south elm]

Control

[zinc matrix]

and this elon dude is crazy too

[carmine frigate]

why would any1 decide what billions of ppl read?

[zinc matrix]

he said he bought it for the sake of humanity

i believe he really think so

[sweet rose]

It is that's why he bought it

[celest musk]

so he is going to shut it down?

[sweet rose]

he sees something that we can't

[celest musk]

i don't think that's the main reason

[carmine frigate]

dude u should go allin on dodge:P

[celest musk]

he probably could've fought that in court

at least more than he tried to

or he hasn't the energy for that

also possible

considering how much shit he has to deal with

[south elm]

billionaire lies about his intentions, crazy concept

[carmine frigate]

social media makes laws... it picks presidents... it sells stuff... thats what he wants

[zinc matrix]

the best lie always have half the truth

[fathom wadi]

go read the story again... bruuuuuuuuh

[south elm]

Ok, so he bought it so he could “improve” humanity, the way he wants too. It’s not altruistic, it’s narcissistic.

https://tenor.com/view/long-cat-floppa-so-long-big-cat-big-floppa-gif-24813050

[zinc matrix]

probably

[sweet rose]

🤣

[carmine frigate]

he said some stuff abou Ukraine that was straight up russian propaganda

[zinc matrix]

if one day i got 100 billions dollar and have done most of the things i wanted in life. I may want good things to humanity too

[sweet rose]

zelenskyy is corrupt af too

[carmine frigate]

to be honest i dont know too much about him... but russia is most def the bad actor here

[sweet rose]

for sure

[fathom wadi]

lots of that around right now though. Thats the problem with propaganda. People disseminate it. Like the one where supposedly the Russians bombed their own Nord Stream 2 pipeline, even though they had a valve they could turn to cut it off. Then Seymour Hersch proved the US did it. And now we all have 100% extra on our energy bills which trickles down to everything else. GG

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream very interesting read btw

[sweet rose]

Exactly

[proud jay]

you cause he's crazy

[carmine frigate]

i dunno who did the pipleline... if you were about to lose ur fortune on 50mil of nat gas futures it would allready be profitable to have it done

so could be any1

[fathom wadi]

well read the article and you will know ~)

[carmine frigate]

its like a billion dollar a day... i dont trust any1 on this

[fathom wadi]

mainstream media is keeping away from Hersh right now too. Which interests me

[sweet rose]

follow the money

[carmine frigate]

prolly the saudis again 😛

[fathom wadi]

cui bono indeed

[sweet rose]

follow the money 🙂

[fathom wadi]

you can't follow Saudi money. It's all Saudi money 😄

except the new money that the Fed Res will create to stop the other banks crashing

[carmine frigate]

well like i said... it really wasnt too hard to blow the pipes... and1 could have it done for under 5 mil and make tons of profit on it

[sweet rose]

i read an article that the Saudi prince likes watching clips of joe biden fall down stairs and laughs at it

funny if true

[zinc matrix]

that's too much politics information
if one day i move to america i would have to know all of this shit?

[fathom wadi]

the best bit is there was an exercise call Baltops (sic) and they snuck in under that guise and popped it 2 days later 😄

[carmine frigate]

its best to not worry about who or why this kind of stuff happen

[fathom wadi]

military industrial complex. The economy that keeps the world ticking

[carmine frigate]

i dont think it was the MIC

[fathom wadi]

unfortunately without it the fiat capitalist system would sink too quick to recover. So war is necessary. As ridiculous as that sounds

[sweet rose]

#returntogoldstandard

[south elm]

Name one world leader that isn’t corrupt, the fact you think “Zelenskyy is corrupt” doesn’t matter when he wasn’t the one who shot first.

[carmine frigate]

there are soo many actors that would benefit from this that i dont want to speculate

[sweet rose]

The president of Uruguay

[fathom wadi]

that issue is beyond who fired first now. What's important is how does Putin back away without looking like a pussy to his own people. He can't. There in lies the dilemma. Even China don't want him there but can't see a way out for him.

[carmine frigate]

it could be countries... companies.. or a single person that put 50mil in the stockmarket

[fathom wadi]

it all ends when Putin does I guess. As long as the next guy isn't a douche

[south elm]

Putins just gotta take the L, everyone has to take an L occasionally

[fathom wadi]

yeah but how do you do that when you are Russian? It's like disrespecting the motherland right?

[south elm]

He could just un-alive himself

[fathom wadi]

that is going to be an option on the table but they can't do it yet. They need to reduce faith in him first

reminds me of The Hunt for Red October where the captain fakes a nuclear accident to get the loyal sailors off the sub without them knowing. And they all cheers as if the captain is scuttling the ship when in fact he's defecting. And in the end, Russia saves face at the cost of losing the sub, and the US considered it a win.

[south elm]

Fact is at this point it’s all losses

Even “winning” is just avoiding more losses

[carmine frigate]

yea Russia is about to enter the world of debt

[south elm]

Social debt as well, no one is going to want to touch Russia for a long time.

[carmine frigate]

from positive cash too trillions in debt

[zinc matrix]

i hope this war do nothing with game dev tho 😆

[carmine frigate]

it affects everything 😛

[south elm]

Give it a few years and we’ll have a Ukraine vs Russia Battlefield or Call of Duty game

[fathom wadi]

The Russian economy is actually in good standing right now

might be propaganda tho who knows what am I? the Financial Times?

[warm bloom]

I genuinely have looked into the syntax and documentation for verse

and I don't think there's been any other language

that has disgusted me more

props to timmy boy

he is trying to kill the metaverse

that's why he was stuttering and anxious talking about it

his abhorrent hatred

[warm bloom]

his deep rooted plans of ending it once for all with his own wealth

he is a hero

[carmine frigate]

its not good standing atm 😛

[south elm]

“Metaverse” is such an annoying buzzword

[zinc matrix]

we only have one true Metaverse and no one is talking about it and keep hyping about this "Metaverse"

VR Chat

[south elm]

Yeah bro Fortnite is the only real Metaverse

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

[warm bloom]

metaverse is just a buzzword to promote exploiting children for financial gains

[fathom wadi]

love being able to use that meme

[zinc matrix]

which part bro 🍿

[carmine frigate]

the MOEX shit itself... and this is even held up by ppl not allowed to cash anymore

[south elm]

Replace “children” with “normies”

How do we get people to spend more money with less overhead? Sell them virtual goods for their virtual houses of course!

I miss club penguin tho ngl

[zinc matrix]

It's easier to fool people by something no one know what the fuck that is

[south elm]

That’s the whole crypto space in a nutshell

[zinc matrix]

i mean, how many crypto trader can actually read source code?

fucking 0

[south elm]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-digibyte-dgb-dogecoin-dogefather-gif-21477828

[carmine frigate]

i can read people and tether is a fucking scam... and thats holding all that shit up

[fathom wadi]

USDT is a stablecoin tho... it's stable

[south elm]

Anyone remember “beenz”?

The internet currency?

Crypto is just Beenz 2.0

[fathom wadi]

I always loved the dichotomy of tether. Based on a fiat currency whose value fluctuates depending on how much money the FedRes puts into circulation. So it's worth a dollar but a dollar is worth 10cents and 10 cents is taxed.

[zinc matrix]

how do you know its stable?

is there any actually cash to back it up?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

[zinc matrix]

did you see the cash?

[south elm]

Because they said so bro

[fathom wadi]

do you see the cash in a bank?

[zinc matrix]

i mean, do they let you cash it out

[south elm]

USD is also fake for the record

But crypto is like double fake

[fathom wadi]

all money that banks have is fractional. So it's not worth the paper its on really.

[zinc matrix]

if i have 1000USDT, can i go to a bank to withdraw 1000USD

i can't

[fathom wadi]

nope. crypto exchange takes some

[zinc matrix]

because the whole thing is a scam

[south elm]

The only real currency is Food, Water, and Bullets.

And maybe bottle caps

[fathom wadi]

I remember some hippy friends of mine bragging about their allotments for when the shit hits the fan. And I said "thanks for telling me. That's the first place I'm doing with my armed gang"

[zinc matrix]

i was a crypto trader tho. Didn't learn enough to be success but learn enough to know it's a massive scam

[south elm]

I mean, are they even going to have anything g there? Most land plots people are buying don’t even have water or electricity

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/im-only-human-rory-charles-graham-human-im-just-a-human-human-being-gif-17597507

[fathom wadi]

anyhow... Stablecoin is proven enough for the Bank of England to create it's own stablecoin for the UK. And I guess the masters of Fiat currency would know how to handle it. So I presume it's going to work in that sense but what scares me is how they treat other stablecoins. Refusal to deal with it really breaks the system.

[south elm]

But ok hear me out, Does the Bank of England even know what it’s doing?

[fathom wadi]

kind of

[zinc matrix]

honestly, a real stable coin wouldn't make any sense too

because they said the whole purpose of crypto is not to be depend of govement

[fathom wadi]

theres been some dubious people running it. Mark Carney was obviously a bankers wet dream in that role.

[steel summit]

Some BTC atm machines popped up in my city during the 2017-2018 frenzy and I remember walking up to the machine, feeding it $500 cash for a piece of paper with a bunch of letters and numbers on it then withdrawing $800cash the next day and never looked back.

Thanks Bitcoin!

[fathom wadi]

yeah the anonymity of crypto got usurped real quick. And they say "Well crypto is a way of laundering money". And guess what. Laundering money is a way of laundering money too.

[soft night]

if it somehow get to make connection to £ right?

[south elm]

I for one believe in the One World Stable Coin agenda

[fathom wadi]

I want a Shaky Coin. That has a picture of Shakin' Stevens on it.

https://tenor.com/view/shakin-stevens-christmas-merry-christmas-xmas-snow-gif-24244629

[soft night]

MetaCoin for marc

[south elm]

Unstable Coin

[zinc matrix]

If you really think about it, crypto doesnt have any real world purpose but scam.
But, i once stumble on the dark web and holy shit, everything was paid by bitcoin

[south elm]

It’s all capitalism for the sale of capitalism. Name one real problem that crypto solves

[sweet rose]

crypto turned into a scam

[soft night]

victor then how you think when banks just push more moneyto be stable

[zinc matrix]

they are not pushing money to be stable

[fathom wadi]

everything is a scam these days. games are a scam. smokes and beer are a scam. Water is a scam.

[steel summit]

Crypto only works if it’s used by everyone.

[sweet rose]

Bitcoin started with good intentions, if you look at crypto now, it's actually centralised, not decentralised

[zinc matrix]

they are printing the money to push the country's economy

[fathom wadi]

we are in neo-capitalist times. It's "all for one, and each man for himself".

[zinc matrix]

dude i went to university of banking too ahah

how tf i ended up here

[sweet rose]

I am interested to see Durov's blockchain

he's the only guy who can fix it

[south elm]

Make games>Make Money

[zinc matrix]

actually if any country want their country to have a really stable currency, all they have to do is never print money anymore.
But i guess no one want to do that, right? 😆

[regal pecan]

You eventually have to print money to replace broken unusable bills.

[fathom wadi]

I remember once that France commissioned a video game to organise the economy and it was pretty successful. Until people cheated lol. I pished meself.

[carmine frigate]

its 60 billion in the hands of like 12 ppl that manage tether... a bunch of em got caught in some real shady shit.... scams and kiddy porn

thats enough for me to stay out of crypto

[zinc matrix]

the fastest way to be rich is not to invest crypto and stock stuff
just learn game dev and publish to steam!

[carmine frigate]

also i usually just invest in myself.... do have some silver and stocks tho

[zinc matrix]

i truly believe so here i am

[fathom wadi]

the fastest way to be rich is to find the love of a good family.

[regal pecan]

The fastest way to be rich is to be born into a good (rich) family.

[fathom wadi]

Unreal Engine is like an extension of my family too. I love you Tim !

[carmine frigate]

good times you have will allways beat money you earn

[fathom wadi]

One day Tim will say "You did it! You won Charlie!" and I will say "My name is Marc but I'll take your shares in Epic no worries mate"

[zinc matrix]

me too. but only on stockings. ill sell them online after few months of usage without washing.

but for real, i read about game sale number and they are like drug money dafuk

there is so much money here

[fathom wadi]

I tried that but they returned them saying there was leg hair stuck in them.