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fleet tangle
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A substring generator would be great!

thin aspen
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Probably one of my favorite South Park episodes

bleak remnant
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Lol

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The way unreal does sprite sheets is great

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Pretty much where it ends though imo

fleet tangle
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In what respect? How does godot do it 2d stuff differently?

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Also I keep writing dogot...

bleak remnant
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Lmao

thin aspen
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I dogot a couple dollars for a pop or something later

bleak remnant
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Godot has 2d components and 3d components essentially (unlike unity and unreal, Godot is real 2d)

fleet tangle
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"real" 2d?

bleak remnant
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Yeah

fleet tangle
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You mean there's no 3rd axis?

bleak remnant
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It's not rendered in 3d space

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So it gets like 10x the frames (probably not that much but)

harsh ember
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Genshit Impact

bleak remnant
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Also this was probably my fault tbh but I was having collision issues for my gravity heart in unity and unreal

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It could like clip to the wall

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So I had to do some hacky stuff

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Oh yeah also kind of a given but the workflow is way faster

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That's obviously not saying much though because it's doesn't have to compile for 5 years

fleet tangle
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I mean, it just looks like UE but with an orthographic camera and 2d sprites.

bleak remnant
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I think it has more to do with the fact that you don't have to modify 2 files for a class maybe

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And also compile times

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Also since it's essentially python you can do some REALLY hacky stuff

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Not even in a bad way

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I can have a multiple type dictionary

fleet tangle
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Python 😦

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You can do that with unreal

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Though you'd have to implement the typehash for TVariant (maybe it already exists?)

bleak remnant
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I should look into that then, never heard of it

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I can also have multi type arrays too

fleet tangle
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Meaning?

bleak remnant
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You don't have to static type things in GDScript

fleet tangle
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Static types are great.

bleak remnant
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So I could do something like

var foo = ["hi", 0, 2, RandReference]

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This is obviously more useful for something like a dictionary though

fleet tangle
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So ad hoc structs

bleak remnant
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Ad hoc?

fleet tangle
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"created or done for a particular purpose as necessary."

bleak remnant
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Oh

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Yeah essentially

fleet tangle
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Basically the compiler (or interpreter) just creates them as needed without you having to do anything.

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But like, that's the benefits of a scripting language over a compiled one. If you like scripting languages, cool!

bleak remnant
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Definitely makes the "swapping code" infinitely easier

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Idk about downsides other than maybe performance? Harder time debugging?

fleet tangle
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Lack of type safety and debugging, I suppose?

bleak remnant
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You can still static type

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Infact I only do that in GDScript

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You get a performance boost in godot 4 from it

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var foo : int = 32

fleet tangle
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As long as it's not like php and just basically stores all its variadic types as strings.

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Shudder

bleak remnant
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That sounds horrifying

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Yeah now that I think about it for debugging in godot there's like breakpoints and that's basically it

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You can use print statements if you want haha

fleet tangle
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Sounds great 👍

thin aspen
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Here’s my 2 cents

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Oh yeah I’ve been meaning to ask, how much is a pence?

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Oh it’s just a penny

fleet tangle
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It's a penny, yeah.

celest musk
fleet tangle
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I did say variadic types

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$blah = 5; => "5" or whatever

celest musk
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ok, sorry

fleet tangle
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That's probably far from accurate, but yeh.

celest musk
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i wasn't aware of what variadic stands for 😄

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thought it was a typo 😄

fleet tangle
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Untyped, I guess.

celest musk
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well, apparently you can do this:

function sum(int ...$nums): int
{
    return array_sum($nums);
}
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but never came across this, so might be one of the later additions

lyric pulsar
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celest musk
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they should've just played ark, then they would've known earlier

pearl elk
fleet tangle
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What? 🙂

cursive crypt
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eel

pearl elk
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My biggest issue with writing design driven UIs in Unreal Engine is static types

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great for memory, really poor for dynamic management

fleet tangle
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In what way?

pearl elk
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sometimes you just wanna smash a piece of data through the widget

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writing specialised conditions for each type is epic mega cringe

fleet tangle
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Abstraction! 😄

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Subsystems!

cursive crypt
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void*

fleet tangle
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void*!

pearl elk
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you cant abstract static types, look at every major subsystem in UE, they all have their own recreation of the static types

fleet tangle
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Hey. At least I gave three answers!

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Their own recreation of static types?

pearl elk
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yeah BP, Niagara, they all replicate the APIs static types to support them directly

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Void aint a wildcard, its not supported by the front end

fleet tangle
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Replicate the APIs static types to support them directly?!

pearl elk
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YES

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that is what I said

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There is no generic data type

fleet tangle
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That's supported by the Editor?

pearl elk
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If I want a Widget that does something with data, I have to support each static type specifically

fleet tangle
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In the Editor?

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In UMG?

pearl elk
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Yes thats what I said, I said UIs

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I contexted the entire conversation

fleet tangle
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Well if you want to hamstring yourself to UMG, sure.

pearl elk
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It doesnt matter which UI I use, to support the base API I have to use its static types

fleet tangle
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And you want to use a typeless system? Like php?

pearl elk
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Yeah more like WebDev style UIs

fleet tangle
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I mean, you could just do everything with strings.

cursive crypt
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I kinda still don't understand what is the problem 🤔 Maybe an example would be good.

pearl elk
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example floats can be represented in heaps of different ways but I have to do alot of type conversions to make it happen to actually feed the value back into a strict type

fleet tangle
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Well, there's FString and float.

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I suppose you could upload a video of interpretive dance and try to access that.

pearl elk
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String wouldnt solve since youre still type converting, infact it would just slow everything down

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I mean Epic could make UMG less prone to type failures but its a huge pain in the butt because of static types

fleet tangle
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Sliders could be expanded to more types, that's for sure.

pearl elk
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Converting the odd bool or int to a float isnt an issue but if you scale that to a full RPG UI it could end up very slow

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I find myself doing things like making health a float instead of an int just to save converting it on the UI end lol

fleet tangle
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If converting from a bool to a float and back again (even a thousand times) is slowing down your ui, I think you've done something wrong.

cursive crypt
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Hmm... can't say I have touched dynamic generation of UIs out of some text. I used so far only prebuild blueprints.

pearl elk
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we are talking about alot more values though, thousands. Its not the UI its the back end that gets slowed down by the front end conversion

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Its shifting memory around, not the ideal scenario when strict types "are better for memory management*

fleet tangle
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I don't see it. I can't believe a single ui is displaying thousands of values. Or that converting them will impact performance whatsoever. Unless converting between types being slow is an intrinsic problem of the BP VM

pearl elk
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I cant even write the UI which scales that large which is the first issue

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but the data fragmentation will slow things down on fetch, got nothing to do with the speed of the operation on the CPU

fleet tangle
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I mean, why would you write a ui that bloated?

pearl elk
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game modifications in game

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perhaps most variables are editable at runtime...

fleet tangle
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categorisation!

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You don't ever want to display that many options to the user at once.

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That's insane.

pearl elk
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its not about editing all the values at the same time, its about data fragmentation by that many edits over time

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lots of needless conversions pushing data around needlessly

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its just not worthwhile, which is why I dont have a formal example 🙂

fleet tangle
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I think you're just making things up, personally.

pearl elk
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Who knows maybe this is the type of problem Verse was made to fix

fleet tangle
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Doubt it

pearl elk
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You see it as a problem with the UI but its really to do with the explicit nature of static types

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It creates more work in having to define those explicit conversions

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Generic payload for UIs would be wicked

cursive crypt
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Needs std::any

pearl elk
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Then I could bind using generic payloads instead of explicit types

fleet tangle
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If you wanted a slider, you could just write a payload type that takes any possible conversion to/from any type of number and the type the slider accepts.

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You could even just make it a template and have it do it implicitly

pearl elk
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Yeah I could do that but then Id have to do it with every basic widget if I want similar functionality

fleet tangle
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Yes, it is extra work, but you do it once.

pearl elk
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as I said, its more about the work static types create to the point its not cost effective to even start

fleet tangle
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Cost effective because time is money, friend?

pearl elk
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Well Im one guy and I have games to make, if I had an army of code monkeys I would have definitely started

fleet tangle
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Even if you had to create 100 sliders to support 100 different types, you'd only need to do it once. Take you a few hours max. And you have nowhere near 100 types you would represent with sliders.

pearl elk
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Im amazed at your ability to write slate

fleet tangle
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I mean, I was imagining UMG there. It would take distinctly less time in Slate because of implicit conversions and templates.

pearl elk
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UMG is slow AF

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For those about to Slate we salute you~!

fleet tangle
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When you say slider, do you mean one you can control? Or just a progress-bar type representation?

celest musk
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how do you slide a bool tho?

fleet tangle
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0 and 1

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2 values

celest musk
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usually you use another switch/toggle widget for that, or a checkbox

fleet tangle
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An int slider with 2 values.

celest musk
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and for slider, you have float, which you can truncate to int

fleet tangle
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Sure, using a slider for it would be stupid.

celest musk
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and set the step size to 1

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idk what kind of stuff you do, but i didn't run in the problem, with a lot of user inputs...

pearl elk
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How much are you per hour?

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I find anything is possible until I flash the cash 😛

celest musk
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it is, the question is if you got the cash for it 😄

fleet tangle
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SSlider is a pretty easy class to use

pearl elk
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exactly, if its going to cost that much then my point stands

fleet tangle
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        , _MouseUsesStep(false)
        , _RequiresControllerLock(true)
        , _Locked(false)
        , _Orientation(EOrientation::Orient_Horizontal)
        , _SliderBarColor(FLinearColor::White)
        , _SliderHandleColor(FLinearColor::White)
        , _Style(&FCoreStyle::Get().GetWidgetStyle<FSliderStyle>("Slider"))
        , _StepSize(0.01f)
        , _Value(1.f)
        , _MinValue(0.0f)
        , _MaxValue(1.0f)
        , _IsFocusable(true)
        , _OnMouseCaptureBegin()
        , _OnMouseCaptureEnd()
        , _OnValueChanged()
        {
        }``` has these options
celest musk
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idk anything about slate tho

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i only use UMG for UI

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but my guess is that what can be done in UMG has to be able to be done in Slate, too

fleet tangle
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Yes.

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UMG is a slate wrapper. UMG adds nothing except being exposed.

pearl elk
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I suppose I could look at just editing those classes directly since Im using AngelScript with a custom engine build anyway

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I just hate maintaining branches, costs lots of time especially for such a meh feature

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Ideally Id love to edit Epics metadata so I could do something like the editor does and just put in a tag to expose it as editable in game mod UI

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then the UI could just use that to generate into a template

fleet tangle
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You mean like the property editor module?

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(that creates the details panel)

pearl elk
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yeah exactly like the details panel but not the details panel because we're not allowed to use editor code in games

fleet tangle
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That module is massively overcomplicated.

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It's not hard to recreate it.

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If you want it simplified.

pearl elk
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yeah it would need to be simplified

fleet tangle
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The issue would be the meta data which isn't available at runtime. You'd have to add your own system for that.

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Like each class having its own static list of properties that are editable or some such.

pearl elk
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Epic added DataStores back recently though right

fleet tangle
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(+plus options)

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Shrug

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Basically you need like 10 widgets. One for each basic data type. One for arrays. One for structs. One for assets. And for the struct and array one you just nest things.

pearl elk
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sounds like a pain in the butt, you know what I think would be easier... letting modders use Unreal Editor to modify the game 😛

celest musk
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who said that you can't ship editor code?

fleet tangle
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The hardest part about this is making it not look shit.

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Epic did.

celest musk
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you aren't allowed to ship an editor

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where?

fleet tangle
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Nothing in an editor module can be packaged and distributed.

fleet tangle
pearl elk
celest musk
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i haven't found a source for that statement

fleet tangle
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Even if you can't, you can't physically packaged something in shipping if it's in an editor module.

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The packager/compiler won't let you.

celest musk
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well you can copy over methods in your own module?!

fleet tangle
celest musk
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or change the build rules for their module

fleet tangle
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Staff reply saying it's not allowed.

pearl elk
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Its the license, pretty sure

fleet tangle
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Yeah. The EULA.

pearl elk
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I wouldnt want UE taken away from me for a breach, Im sure Epic would if they thought they needed to

celest musk
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they didn't say that it's against the EULA tho

pearl elk
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Sometimes staff avoid legal stuff if they arnt qualified to talk on it

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Can get Epic into trouble, the whole *Im not a lawyer defense

fleet tangle
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From the EULA:


“Engine Tools” means the (i) editors and other tools included in the Engine Code; (ii) any code and modules in either the Developer or Editor folders, including in object code format, whether statically or dynamically linked; and (iii) other software that may be used to develop standalone products based on the Licensed Technology.```
```C. To other third parties who are separately licensed by us to use the Engine Code, through either the Unreal Engine Marketplace or through a fork of Epic’s GitHub UnrealEngine Network.```
celest musk
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well, that's not perfectly clear

fleet tangle
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It says you need to have a separate licence to distribute anything in the Editor or Developer folders.

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That's pretty clear.

celest musk
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if "standalone products" includes games made with UE

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well, there might be stuff in there which is licensed to Epic for editor use (3rd party libs)

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which you obviously can't ship without license

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but there's even stuff on the marketplace (which is meant for runtime usage) which uses editor code

fleet tangle
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They do say you can share it via the marketplace if you have a licence to do so.

celest musk
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yea, rather mess with removing reviews than reviewing the content they publish...

pearl elk
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I think Standalone Products dont use the UE source directly but still interoperate with it in some manner

quasi mantle
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Remember when Unreal as a library/DLL announced a while ago? It was one of those things that sounded good on paper, until you realize it's using editor code

fleet tangle
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Yup.

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So you can't really do it and distribute it.

quasi mantle
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The potential for Unreal as a library would be to make custom game editors without getting bound to the editor license, but disappointment never disappoints

pearl elk
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I could make a UAsset viewer for example, that could be standalone if I dont use any of Epics code

fleet tangle
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I mean, isn't a game a sort of very complicated asset viewer?

celest musk
fleet tangle
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That'd be perfectly fine, as long as it had no editor code.

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And it wouldn't need any.

pearl elk
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Make a UAsset viewer in Unity... profit

celest musk
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see, just never finish your game like me

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then you don't have to care about half of the eula 😄

pearl elk
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I never started my game, see thats forward thinking 😉

cursive crypt
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If you never release you will never be caught taps-head.jpg

celest musk
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  1. Who are You?
    a. You
    b. Eligibility for This Agreement
    c. Epic Account
    d. Use by Educational Institutions
pearl elk
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b. Me

celest musk
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well, that part wasn't well formatted 😄

ancient ingot
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proud jay
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good opint

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I need to make coffee

tulip orbit
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make me some too 🙂

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I'm about to make some fries

cursive crypt
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Hmm... Okay, may make myself a tea instead then.

tulip orbit
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coffee > tea

quasi mantle
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Gonna make some banana "smoothie"

cursive crypt
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No. Water > tea > coffee

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Took one already. I eat a ton of bananas.

tulip orbit
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coffee > *

quasi mantle
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Well, banana and milk blended together actually

proud jay
tulip orbit
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might make coffee after the fries, but not with

tulip orbit
proud jay
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is a banana smoothie not just milkshake

quasi mantle
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Gifted a banana by neighbor, but I don't know what to do with it lol

ancient ingot
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a neighbor gave you a banana? :S

cursive crypt
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Fries smoothie with coffee and banana.

tulip orbit
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eat it seductively and slowly while standing naked in the front window

cursive crypt
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Don't forget to pull away the curtains.

ancient ingot
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and rub yourself down with baby oil 😉

proud jay
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randomly gifting just a banana is a power move though

cursive crypt
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Eating his neighbour banana? 🤔

proud jay
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brb, need to visit my neighbour

cursive crypt
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Report later.

ancient ingot
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is your neighbor male or female?

cursive crypt
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Might have been a monkey. They carry bananas.

ancient ingot
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oo now there's a thought

ancient ingot
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wheres all the mods today, im felling less watched

gloomy inlet
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hello you absolute developers

timber viper
ancient ingot
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haha i might do if i get bored 😉

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hello @gloomy inlet

gloomy inlet
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you just pinged the hehe

timber viper
gloomy inlet
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oh

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tu es francais

trail wedge
ancient ingot
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it appears #cpp is no longer in my channel list

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i only asked if i could cpp a banana 😐

trail wedge
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or you had to have turned it off by collapsing the category

ancient ingot
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ok my bad im a retard

tulip orbit
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we know. its ok 🙂

gloomy inlet
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xd

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i deployed, now we wait hmmkek

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@timber viper you lied

timber viper
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you failed

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all of us was productive enough to help someone

tulip orbit
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Eren never lies! He's just wrong a lot

timber viper
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you couldnt decay us towards offtopic

proud jay
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you are not strong enough

gloomy inlet
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u said instantly

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meaning as soon as u say sth off topic they'll spawn

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not hehe

proud jay
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I see you failed again

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what a disappointment you are to me and your mother

gloomy inlet
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🥺

cursive crypt
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One should try until success is achieved.

gloomy inlet
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ok round 2

thick oracle
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the cpp is only there if you want it to be

gloomy inlet
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damn

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quality mods here

proud jay
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thanks

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I made them myself

gloomy inlet
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one of them mods

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is software engineer in frostbite

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maybe if i send him free nitro he gives me engine code

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are there big guys here

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like idk

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gabe newell?

proud jay
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sure

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what's up?

gloomy inlet
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oh

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you look younger than i remember

proud jay
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just ate some babies

thick oracle
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gabe newell has been discord moderator this whole time

gloomy inlet
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hmmm

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while i'm here

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i think i should do a game with this engine

thick oracle
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nah

proud jay
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go for it

gloomy inlet
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step 1: game idea

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how do u guys come up with a game idea

pearl elk
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Ask Manny

gloomy inlet
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@turbid spindle how to come up with a game idea

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ok while he answers

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do i get 4 or 5

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i think my pc gud

thick oracle
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4

proud jay
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there's a literal command for it

thick oracle
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I heard 5 is still unstable

gloomy inlet
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i'm also unstable

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wouldn't that be perfect match

proud jay
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get 5 lol

gloomy inlet
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alr 5 it is

proud jay
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why would you go with 4

gloomy inlet
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idk im askin

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ok engine ✅
game idea: no

thick oracle
gloomy inlet
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hmm

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i'll check that up

pearl elk
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UnrealScript ftw

thick oracle
proud jay
gloomy inlet
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A game about a bear with sandwiches that will stop at nothing to prevent an evil plot. On top of that, you gradually lose your sight.

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i don't like manny

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i think he's trolling

thick oracle
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You are a bouncer in a pitch black room. Armed only with a longbow and your wits, you must build an empire. To make matters worse, you only have a week to live.

pearl elk
thick oracle
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That ai sucks

warm bloom
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it's cause you have the word humankind in there

bleak remnant
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@proud jay you said you were fluent in swedish?

cursive crypt
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rolls eyes

proud jay
warm bloom
proud jay
thick oracle
bleak remnant
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Ic

proud jay
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why

gloomy inlet
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u know what

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i have a better game idea

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i'll just copy one of the games i liked

thick oracle
gloomy inlet
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even if it was made by couple hundred devs

bleak remnant
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I did like 4 lessons on Duolingo but it kinda feels like I'm not doing it to learn even though I am trying to

gloomy inlet
cursive crypt
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pacman

pearl elk
gloomy inlet
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this is not a game

bleak remnant
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🤭

gloomy inlet
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that's just text

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where's the game

bleak remnant
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Undertale but it's not finished yet cus lazy

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I started working on it since like Saturday

gloomy inlet
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oh it's ur game

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i just roasted ur game

bleak remnant
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😆

proud jay
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wdym feel like not doing it to learn

pearl elk
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Apparently the greatest game is all games rolled into one

bleak remnant
cursive crypt
pearl elk
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I like Pinball

proud jay
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you must be learning something?

cursive crypt
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Not nearly so popular.

pearl elk
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Chess is very popular

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but I still dont like it 😛

cursive crypt
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Analysis paralysis for me.

pearl elk
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Roblox time

bleak remnant
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So it feels like that

gloomy inlet
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Ok i have game idea

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And have engine

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Now whatmazenchong

pearl elk
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Press the Make Game button in the engine

warm bloom
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that's behind a paywall

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you have to give me your credit card information I'll manually activate it

gloomy inlet
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That's too easy

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I need to work on it

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So i can flex in pr talk

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"10 years of hard work blabla"

pearl elk
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You just say that anyway

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AI took 10 years manhours to make it

gloomy inlet
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i don't like ai

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i mean

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the current ai trend

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ai art ai typer ai this ai that

warm bloom
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ai hehe

thick oracle
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yes I don't like that too

warm bloom
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I'm gonna make a chat bot to replace you

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but remove the dislike towards ai

thick oracle
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not if I replace you first

warm bloom
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go ahead and try

thick oracle
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Quick question

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Where do you live and do you keep your door unlocked?

warm bloom
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I live in a bunker

thick oracle
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That's going to make that a bit more difficult

pearl elk
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You know someone is a poor criminal if they need an unlocked door

warm bloom
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fr

thick oracle
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I never said I wasn't

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A poor criminal

thick oracle
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but I tried and thats what counts

pearl elk
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The community is a great source of support, knowledge and inspiration for game developers, and you can leverage the experience of others to overcome any challenges you may encounter during the development process.

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awww ChatGPT loves us, Senpai noticed!

gloomy inlet
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hello

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how is my nerdge server doing today

tulip orbit
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your server?

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🤔

primal summit
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the first rule of server acquisition club is you don't talk about how you acquire servers

pearl elk
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My Stadia release is ruined... ruined I tell you!

thick oracle
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What stadia release

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and what stadia

proud jay
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🪦

thick oracle
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exactly

quasi mantle
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What is Stadia?

inland oriole
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Can I consume it?

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That's the most important question of them all!

proud jay
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nah

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always first "But can I f*ck it?"

inland oriole
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no

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😅

gloomy inlet
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stadia is like

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let's say uhm

quasi mantle
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Apparently in parallel universe Stadia is a cloud gaming service that still exist despite being lowest rank

gloomy inlet
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it's like a fast food chain

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started making shoes

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but failed

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yeah that's stadia

inland oriole
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But what if those shoes were meant to be able to better walk towards towards the fast food chain..

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👀

gloomy inlet
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tha'ts the idea

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but when u wear them they tear off

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and ur foot get damaged

inland oriole
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🥲

pearl elk
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Imagine renting a pair of shoes

gloomy inlet
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yeah

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just steal them

quasi mantle
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🥛

gloomy inlet
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why do companies say too much

fleet tangle
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That's cruel, liking the post saying they're never coming back.

gloomy inlet
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that could be shortened to:

Hello
game ded

inland oriole
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That's not really the way to bring that as a company though lol.

gloomy inlet
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wait till i become a big company

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2 word announcements

inland oriole
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Maybe this is the reason why you aren't 😛

gloomy inlet
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short & precise hehe

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no it's because i didn't start

inland oriole
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Short & precise is still something different than just saying "thx for everything, game ded. Bye"

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😆

gloomy inlet
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idk i don't like pr talk

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or anything similar

pearl elk
gloomy inlet
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i love how

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when you click play now

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you get denied

pearl elk
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Twitter is more important than their official site obviously

gloomy inlet
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i mean sucks to have a game canceled cuz of a platform but

proud jay
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I think they just don't give a shit

gloomy inlet
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imagine trusting google dumbge

proud jay
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no way splash damage could not make it work on other platforms

gloomy inlet
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?? 😃

pearl elk
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Theyre just like "do you know how much the contractor for modifying our website costs versus the community twit"

gloomy inlet
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last time i checked ue is multiplatform

quasi mantle
gloomy inlet
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why force L on yourself

quasi mantle
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At least Gylt isn't lost in Stadia

pearl elk
gloomy inlet
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not paid enough

pearl elk
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the one person that did is on holiday 🤣

gloomy inlet
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to check some boxes

quasi mantle
gloomy inlet
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google outside of search is loads of crap

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they should stick to that

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nice, 2 L companies trying to make an L game playable in ~~browser ~~chrome

proud jay
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what have you made?

gloomy inlet
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well i know my limits hehe

pearl elk
quasi mantle
quasi mantle
gloomy inlet
proud jay
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yes, we should use Bing instead

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mfs gonna be saying DuckDuckGo now, but tbh DDG results are trash compared to Google in my experience

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just ignore the ad spots

gloomy inlet
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ddgo poop

pearl elk
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My favourite of Googles services is definitely Maps and then Finance

quasi mantle
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The amount of hypocrisy on "privacy activists" are increasing

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Funny how I used to buy into that kind of s||hit|| not long ago

proud jay
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what kind of shit

quasi mantle
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You know, those kind of "privacy activism" choice software, like Brave, DDG

pearl elk
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This is why I dont use the internet... oh wait

proud jay
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Brave isn't any better lol

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they just serve ads that benefit them the most

pearl elk
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Why not use Ecosia, plant some tree's while surfing the interweebs

quasi mantle
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I mean, activists are none the wiser, hypocrites all the same

pearl elk
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but MS values your privacy yo

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just like Apple

quasi mantle
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Even FOSS community infight even to key people lmao

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Community had some tension against Linus Torvalds long ago
Community had some tension against Richard Stallman

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Imagine having to infight against your own messiahs

proud jay
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me and the homies hate linus

gloomy inlet
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I use edge

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Cuz it's just there

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Lazy to download anything else and it just works mazenchong

cursive crypt
deep glen
quasi mantle
deep glen
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sluos slady

proud jay
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hmm, only heard of ghostrunner from slipgate

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no wonder I couldn't guess it

pearl elk
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Ahh Slipgate, shoulda guessed

deep glen
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slipped your mind? :p

pearl elk
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I slipped right into that one

proud jay
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not even flexing in discord bio

pearl elk
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So can we confirm Slipgate using Unreal Engine 😮

cursive crypt
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Slacking since ...

foggy path
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Didn't ROTT 2013 run on some variation of unreal

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so Slipgate Ironworks has a pretty long unreal history really

pearl elk
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True true, I even own and played that game 🙂

foggy path
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Luos can hook me up with a cool publishing deal once my FPS project is done then because we're such good acquintances here alex

proud jay
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so is pc saved completely @deep glen

deep glen
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should be fine, yea

proud jay
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nice

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is the house fixed though

deep glen
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not yet

proud jay
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sad

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why am I getting random friend request from someone who posted one message on this server in #linux lol

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looks like onlyfans promotion bot based on pfp

pearl elk
deep glen
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@proud jay does the name start with an A?

proud jay
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yes

deep glen
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yea, gotten the same. though quinn doesnt wanna ban

foggy path
proud jay
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bad quinn 😔

foggy path
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Neat, getting random friend requests again... really wonder what's the deal with those

proud jay
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she's in on it

pearl elk
foggy path
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Oh yeah looks like a totally legit user

pearl elk
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Yeah thats Alicia from Interplay

deep glen
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yea, quinn didnt want to ban for some reason, so dm-ed pfist

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anyways, need to scoot. im onboarding.

proud jay
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glhf

cursive crypt
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glhf?

pearl elk
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Its a new 3d model format

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like gltf but better

pearl elk
foggy path
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Oh yeah might be, I played it but forgot what it was

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I'm bored lol

cursive crypt
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So, a scamGPT?

proud jay
proud jay
cursive crypt
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aah, I was thinking half life - good luck have a life or something

foggy path
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"She" went quiet. I do wonder if the friend number is some kind of legitimacy indicator to discord's antispam algorithm

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So if you got friends, it treats you less likely to be a spammer

pearl elk
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gamelife half fun

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Im not a spammer because I have hundreds of spammer friends

quasi mantle
pearl elk
cursive crypt
# foggy path I'm bored lol

Heard the argument that scammers intentionally run stupid hooks, because if you fall for them, bigger the chance to rob you. The anti-scammers are pretty few anyway so they don't wanna loose time.

foggy path
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yeah

pearl elk
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I usually just tell them Im poor and they lose interest

foggy path
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gotta be 13 or something to fall for it I think

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kids are usually who I hear falling for these the most :P

cursive crypt
pearl elk
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sub to my lonely friends

cursive crypt
pearl elk
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I do miss the old internet sometimes

slim atlas
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congratz @deep glen

gloomy inlet
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i have

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important news

slim atlas
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but be careful.

gloomy inlet
slim atlas
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they have a very tight grip

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so stay safe

deep glen
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never experienced that myself when I worked with them. but thanks for the warning.

slim atlas
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make sure to squeeze ALOT money out of them :3

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you deserve alot money!

foggy path
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What is this based on? 🤔

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I've never heard anything like this about the working conditions there, and Fred seems to genuinely love the brand and games in general

slim atlas
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THEN SUE ME

foggy path
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I was just curious what your claims were based on :p

slim atlas
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i didnt claim anything.

foggy path
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You literally made the claim that 3D Realms is known to be slave labourers?

slim atlas
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i am sitting here eating strawberry

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i never said that

unborn lotus
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but it's not funny

slim atlas
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i would never say that.

unborn lotus
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try again but make it funny

foggy path
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Yeah you're basically just badmouthing people for shits and giggles now

slim atlas
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i am not

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i wished luos good luck

tulip orbit
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has 3d realms made anything since duke3d?

foggy path
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Yeah do you want to get the mods involved for this blatant gaslighting

slim atlas
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luos was here!!!

foggy path
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They will be able to see that you deleted those messages

slim atlas
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how many more mods do you need!!!

foggy path
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guess it's another one for The List™️ ¯_(ツ)_/¯

slim atlas
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mh.

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where laura

quasi mantle
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Wasn't 3D Realms after DNF under different leadership?

foggy path
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Yeah I don't know how much of the original group is left

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It's kind of a different company I think, Apogee sounds a little bit salty about it

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since Apogee was part of the brand and current day Apogee is the original Apogee folks, but 3D Realms is a different company entirely and unrelated to the original other than in name

tulip orbit
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i'd imagine that most of the team left game development after DNF. atleast, i'd hope

slim atlas
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they are a publisher these days

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they buy in indie game licenses

quasi mantle
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Had a hunch Glin refers to George Broussard era 3DR, which I don't think is still ongoing after DNF

slim atlas
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and then push the games

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they actually contacted me too once

foggy path
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Fred Schreiber who is the CEO at 3DR now (iirc) said something about how he grew up with 3DR games and in that way it's kinda like a dream job for him now

foggy path
quasi mantle
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Kinda weird because after DNF there's no notable drama going on in 3DR (if any)

slim atlas
foggy path
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Yeah the brand was in limbo after that

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Not sure how it ended up being where it is today

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But they're doing a bunch of good stuff in general, like Realms Deep

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I'm really curious what's gonna happen with Duke Nukem in general though

slim atlas
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youre rude!

unborn lotus
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it's too offensive for these days 😅

foggy path
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because Gearbox owns the Duke brand... and Gearbox and 3D Realms are both part of Embracer Group

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So 3D Realms technically now has access to the Duke Nukem IP again

slim atlas
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tell him he is rude!

foggy path
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And honestly I don't think Duke would be too offensive lol

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The original Duke 3D is not really that "un-PC" or however you would want to phrase it... the strippers are basically the "worst" part lol

warm bloom
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😮

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😲

foggy path
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They did a pretty fun comic book called Duke Nukem: Glorious Bastard, this came as part of the DNF marketing push I believe

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I think if they have the correct amount of self awareness with it it'd be fine even if he was like a goofy macho doofus

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Duke Nukem canonically hates nazis, racists, homophobes, etc., so to be honest it'd fit right in if it was done in the right way

tulip orbit
foggy path
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lol

unborn lotus
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I guess. but maybe it's just me but it feels too outdated

foggy path
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This is from a 90s Duke Nukem themed internet guide book

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And yeah it's hard to say whether it'd have that mass appeal

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but given all the retro shooty games it'd at least fit right in there with those

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I'm just a fan of dumb action heroes so I'd like to see another game made in that series lol

unborn lotus
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I have Graven on my wishlists, should fill some 90s nostalgia once it's out of early access

cursive crypt
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Reminds me of the Tombstone/c4 engine

proud jay
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spreading rumours and then deleting messages if people ask on what this is based

slim atlas
turbid spindleBOT
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:question: Banana?
:8ball: My reply is no.

proud jay
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thanks

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I knew you were a weird one, but this is a new low

cursive crypt
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Banana bad

slim atlas
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i am not weird.

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and where is laura

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The only nice person here

turbid spindleBOT
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:question: you take banana?
:8ball: You may rely on it.

ancient ingot
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@deep glen 🫂 ya back !

tulip orbit
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hands Manny a banana

turbid spindleBOT
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:question: peanut butter banana time?
:8ball: Signs point to yes.

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:question: Do you like bananas?
:8ball: Yes – definitely.

proud jay
tulip orbit
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not that I'm aware of

proud jay
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only give bananas to neighbours

ancient ingot
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😂

tulip orbit
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😦

zinc matrix
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There should be a lotr game

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First person

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Like Skyrim but based on lord of the rings

proud jay
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make one

deep glen
pearl elk
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Got sick of all you infidels using inferior threading processes

slim atlas
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that is very sad

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but people are rude to me too...

zinc matrix
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I mainly came here to find a guy named "affectionateuser"

pearl elk
zinc matrix
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is he here or not

pearl elk
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Does he owe you money?

zinc matrix
pearl elk
zinc matrix
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I entered a discord called "solodev" and it seems I am the only one doing it

slim atlas
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yes youre nice

ancient ingot
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@deep glen everything good now mr ?

zinc matrix
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Basically I am the only solodevver in a discord named "solo development"

deep glen
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room still needs to be fixed, but pc is up and running.

slim atlas
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Man luos!

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you should fix the roof first

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:/

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how does water even get in the house

ancient ingot
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ouch, at least you are back on the PC though, i hope your landlord gets the bill for the damage dude

slim atlas
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through all the insulation

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thats sick

proud jay
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are you AU in disguise?

pearl elk
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I would be covering my PC with a tarp for awhile just because Im paranoid

slim atlas
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i would straight up move

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the house is flawed

zinc matrix
ancient ingot
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i would be taking mine to bed

slim atlas
pearl elk
zinc matrix
deep glen
slim atlas
quasi mantle
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Considering the real username is in camelCase

slim atlas
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i call that f

proud jay
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weren't you planning on moving soon?

deep glen
zinc matrix
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I think people are envious of me because I do solodevving, but its just a theory, maybe your theory is right and they are just rude

deep glen
slim atlas
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i call him

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i make him suffer first

proud jay
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I see

slim atlas
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and then he pays

pearl elk
proud jay
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finally sent the letter today letting my landlord know I'm leaving

slim atlas
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i make him pay you forward a new home

zinc matrix
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my theory is that people are envious of me because I dont have to work for a corporation and I am a hobbyist

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its just a theory

unborn lotus
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but aren't you poor this way?

zinc matrix
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I dont know, I dont spend much time to think about it, but i noticed some hostility, but I am 100% sure it will not be an issue

proud jay
quasi mantle
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Also how does that even a reason for envy?

pearl elk
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I like Big Corpos and they cannot lie

proud jay
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but that's just a theory

slim atlas
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i need to leave this chat for now, too many chats going on

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please dont sue me.

quasi mantle
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I have power of pro bono lawyer god and anime on my side

zinc matrix
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Maybe people are envious because I am megalomaniac, and they see how big is my ego, could be another explanation

unborn lotus
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are you sure it's envy?

pearl elk
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def Laura

proud jay
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I don't think that counts as envy

zinc matrix
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people see me adn they hate me beause I improve too fast

proud jay
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you saying that is a classic sign of being a dumbass

zinc matrix
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I think there are people online that want you to fail

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they want you to be mediocre, but I dont listen to them.

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instead I always help anybody giving all I have got, I dont fear any sort of competition.

zinc matrix
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well said

quasi mantle
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Tell me you're being a jerk without telling me you're being a jerk

zinc matrix
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Yes I think I am some sort of arrogant guy, but luckily I an back it up

proud jay
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you think you can

foggy path
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I'm not sure why folks think that there's no problem if you're arrogant as long as you can back it up 🤔

unborn lotus
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well thanks for another drama filled day on #lounge

rancid root
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Could you guys ensure that this discussion doesn't escalate?

proud jay
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but most of the time they even can't though

cursive crypt
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Where drama?! Where?

zinc matrix
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sure

proud jay
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damn, nicest mod message I've seen in my life

zinc matrix
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I was learning music theory today

rancid root
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:)

zinc matrix
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online people told me that I dont need it, clearly they want me to fail

slow gyro
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The new mods are still nice to you, Dieter

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I can get you a paddlin

cursive crypt
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Dieter is our mascot

quasi mantle
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Also being a jokester doesn't necessarily mean being a jerk

zinc matrix
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Online people told me "bro you just need production skills, learn production", but I am stubborn, I want to learn the basics of music theory

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its an example of how malicious envious people may want to undermine you

foggy path
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There's always advice available but you need to be careful to whose advice you listen to

cursive crypt
quasi mantle
zinc matrix
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I know there are shortcuts, but what bad can it do if I learn also the basics? clearly some people want to see me failing, that isnt happening so they are envious andbitter

cursive crypt
pearl elk
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Advice comes AS IS with no warranty, use at your own risk*

quasi mantle
proud jay
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are you ever going to type a message without saying people want you to fail

slow gyro
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I might want them to fail

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Just so they can keep talking about it

quasi mantle
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Either rare breed, or just bluffing

zinc matrix
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I only encourage people around me.

pearl elk
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If they fail then its easier for me to rise to the top

slow gyro
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I feel encouraged to fail!

zinc matrix
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I want to see more boomer shooters, so whoever asks about it, I will try to help as much as possible

proud jay
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fail fast fail often

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boomer shooters as in you shoot at boomers?

zinc matrix
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I think there is a planetary alignment

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I have to get abit conspiratorial now

unborn lotus
zinc matrix
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Basically there are some "signs" and I concluded that there will be a giant change in the gaming world

pearl elk
zinc matrix
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I dont know if you are aware that Halo caused a paradigm change in gaming.

proud jay
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FluffyBunnies seeing games industry ^

unborn lotus
zinc matrix
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Now we are approximating a new paradigm change

proud jay
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yeah we're all making P2E NFT Games

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with some nice machine learning

zinc matrix
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I think what we have to do is to take the model of the boomer shooters, and evolve it, in a way that leads us towards meaningful progress

quasi mantle
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IMHO music theory can help make your musical craft better

It's like mage knowing the right spells, versus mage who mumbles random words and cast something when he's lucky

slow gyro
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I'm just building the metaverse over here

zinc matrix
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what is NFT?

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
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i tried to google about it but I found only info pertaining to images sold online

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I never understood how I can make millions with it

proud jay
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make monkey

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sell monkey

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make money

quasi mantle
slow gyro
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The same way any other scam makes money

quasi mantle
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It's a ponzi scheme

zinc matrix
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I made 2 NFTs but I found no way to sell them, is there a market or something

proud jay
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promise the monkey is going to the moon 🧑‍🚀

zinc matrix
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i just wanted to try it

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
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I am always late when there is something like that, NFT, what is it? I barely understand the concept

proud jay
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I'm not convinced this new guy is not just chatGPT talking to us

cursive crypt
slow gyro
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  1. Promise cool NFT driven game.
  2. Spent a few weeks on a Prototype that doesn't involve any NFT stuff.
  3. Pre-sell a lot of NFTs for Ingame Items once the game is done.
  4. After all the cash came in, run
proud jay
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first get a rug, then pull it

zinc matrix
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I think when you want to make "le quick bucks" you have to study what the big sellers in the market are doing.

quasi mantle
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*of homelessness

zinc matrix
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But I decided to keep in mind that I am not a corporation, I will not do what they do. If something works for them, doesnt means it has to work for me

quasi mantle
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As much as I like Final Fantasy, I still call Square Enix decision to simp on NFT an idiotic decision

zinc matrix
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like for example I know that corporations use tools such as character creator. Why should I do that? I know it works well for them, but I am not a corporation.

fleet tangle
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Worked for that Ape thing.

foggy path
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the guy who writes how to market a game has been suggesting some methods for analyzing the market for how you can benefit from it... eg. when vampire survivors became popular, many devs were able to quickly release games in that niche and make a fair bit of money (and not just shovelware mind you, good games)

zinc matrix
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I think a corporation will have needs to have standards and maybe they will want to have predictability, this is all something that I can imagine, but I dont care anyway, since I am not a corporation

zinc matrix
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the reality is taht we have more chances of bringing change than a corporation

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they observe us, if anyone of us has a tiny amount of success, tehy will replicate it better

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they simply look at what we do and consider it an experiment, then they will take it to the next step

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if one of us implements a concept, that for a corporation is considered "risky", but the concept is good, they will take it and improve on it

quasi mantle
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||they only care about return profit the most||

foggy path
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Having worked for corporations I can tell you majority of them are not that smart about anything they do lol

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Or methodical either

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The bigger the company is the slower and less flexible it's to adapting to anything

zinc matrix
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I dont know I was just talking about my planetary alignment theory

foggy path
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lol okay

zinc matrix
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basicaly according to me, there are some "signs"

quasi mantle
zinc matrix
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I was saying that we had the dark ages of gaming durin ghte 2000s, all due to halo the paradigm shift

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but now thre are some signs

foggy path
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"dark ages of gaming" ? lol

zinc matrix
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I think fortnite brought new light to this world

quasi mantle
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What kind of GPT model is this anyway lmao

foggy path
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fortnite = healing crystals

zinc matrix
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if I interpreted theh signs correctly, there will be a paradigm shift

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fortnite was simply the beginning

zinc matrix
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I mean, I know myself that fortnite is not the paradigm shift that I was lookin for, but it is the game that preceeds

unborn lotus
zinc matrix
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I am abit conspiratorial, I will just stay vague

foggy path
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ShrekGPT

zinc matrix
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I think there are chances to do boomer shooters, I feel its time. I played fortnite and it was the best game made during the last 20 years

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fortnite was so good that I realized that there is something going on, why such a good game is popular?

foggy path
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You really don't need to be a genius to see that you can do boomer shooters right now

quasi mantle
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inb4 we got a literature called "Fortnite and the Paradigm Shift of Human Civilization"

New York Times Best Seller

zinc matrix
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Usually good games are unpopular, instead fortnite was amazingly popular, it surpasses even the atrociously horrid games ilke minecraft

foggy path
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Usually good games are unpopular
???? lol

quasi mantle
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Don't tell him about Elden Ring

zinc matrix
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good games like fortnite usually are unpopular, this is a novelty

foggy path
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So are you saying that the games that are popular are usually bad games?

zinc matrix
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if people play fortnite, it must means that there is a planetary alignment that favors me

unborn lotus
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this is just flamebait now

foggy path
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Flamebait? This is some real galactic brain stuff

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lol

pearl elk
zinc matrix
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i saw a website that was listing popular games, and fortnite came first, doubling the amount of users of an horrid game like minecraft

proud jay
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you need to lay off the mushrooms my man

pearl elk
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You either played Ultima Online or nothing

foggy path
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Ultima Online hell yeah

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I enjoyed sitting in my house macro'ing tables to level up carpentry

zinc matrix
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I am so excited, first because I finally feel that I am "on the right side of history", an amazing feeling, my favorite game is first in the list

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now I know how it feels to be on the winning side, I know I am the right side of history, thanks to fortnite

proud jay
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ok now I'm like 99,4% convinced this is a troll

foggy path
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It feels like it's another user with yet another account lol

zinc matrix
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bro, people told me for years that I was a "nostalgic boomer", fortnite gave me that power

unborn lotus
quasi mantle
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The novelty has worn out tbh

zinc matrix
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I now see youtubers saying "muh I am too old I dont like fortnite", amazing, they are suffering same fate I got years ago. Fortnite is bringing me to the top

cursive crypt
thin aspen
zinc matrix
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they were saying that I m just nostalgic, and I dont like console games because of nostalgia, but my personality is all oriented towards progress... now they are on the receiving end of this attack

proud jay
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let's collectively agree to ignore fluffybunnies

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🤝

unborn lotus
thin aspen
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fluffy bunnies is just AU

foggy path
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I played a bit of Anarchy Online after Ultima Online

zinc matrix
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collectively you can do what you want, but fortnite is still winning, people will not change this fact

thin aspen
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There's no way you can convince me that they just randomly know of AU

foggy path
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it was kinda fun with its scifi setting which is rare on these MMO things

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unfortunately then WoW happened and Anarchy Online died lol

cursive crypt
quasi mantle
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If it's AU spying: Laura did celebrate your leaving

zinc matrix
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I mean, you can go online, complain about it, I know how it will turn out since I suffered this fate. let me help you: people will call you "outdated boomer and nostalgic", it happened to me before, will happen to you if you are against fortnite

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this is the power I got when I became "part of history"

pearl elk
zinc matrix
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I am on the right side, bro, it feels amazing, my side is winning, fortnite is at the top

quasi mantle
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the rest of backtalking about AU is pretty tame

thin aspen
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dieter was cyberbulling her

unborn lotus
proud jay
zinc matrix
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its like in the meme "first time?"

thin aspen
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but "her" is also dieter's alt accounts for his nft scam

pearl elk
quasi mantle
cursive crypt
proud jay
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we will never know

pearl elk
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because its original name was Fartnite named for the old farts

unborn lotus
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Deirdre is bullying everyone away

thin aspen
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dieter is just the belgian version of the name deandre

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or something like that

quasi mantle
pearl elk
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so Fornite allows you to suck the souls of the young to reclaim your own youth?

foggy path
thin aspen
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I know what's going on here but if i post the meme I'll get in trouble

pearl elk
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Boomer is a type of zombie

unborn lotus
thin aspen
quasi mantle
proud jay
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I don't know judge mathis

thin aspen
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You should be able to find it if you google like judge mathis meme or something

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It's the one with him holding the gavel

proud jay
cursive crypt
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hm.. what happened? Silence?

proud jay
unborn lotus
thin aspen
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the chat bot overloaded

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or refer to judge mathis meme

cursive crypt
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Discord daily message limit reached.

proud jay
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I might or might not have reported them for trolling too

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maybe timed out

pearl elk
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I think they are a frequent ban evader

foggy path
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I wonder if any Discord bots have a user fingerprinting function

thin aspen
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idk though, this whole name dropping AU was weird.

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Because who does that?

foggy path
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That would help mods deal with people creating new accounts :P

proud jay
broken sigil
cursive crypt
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Hardware accelerated bans?

broken sigil
foggy path
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You could do at least basic fingerprinting by having users click a link before allowing them on the server proper 🤔

pearl elk
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They were asking to get caught

quasi mantle
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Also FWIW AU seem to left voluntarily (after I persuade him to do so)

thin aspen
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idk

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You just can't convince me that someone would come to lounge looking for AU, by name. It just doesn't add up.

unborn lotus
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what is really going on here

slim atlas
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whats going on

thin aspen
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AU gave hugs and i doubt the hug giving was that wide spread.

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"Ay fam, i know this guy on unreal slackers who gives hugs when you need one" - A conversation that never happened

slim atlas
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do you really think you can get away with dragging AUs name into the dirt.

unborn lotus
cursive crypt
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It is like cheap tv soap opera - there must be a drama surrounding people.