lounge

[primal summit]

I made a particularly noncommital serious answer

[zinc matrix]

Will it even be made

Like maybe preformance update

[fluid bloom]

what do you think?

does it seem likely UE 5.1 is the final version?

[zinc matrix]

Idk

Yes

[fluid bloom]

why

[zinc matrix]

I mean it seems perfect

You know with the reflections and stuff

What else can they add

[pearl elk]

Yes 5.12345 will be the final version

And it will contain no performance updates

[ancient ingot]

5.1415 will contain pi

[pearl elk]

But no cake

[cursive crypt]

How so no cakes in 5.2132132?

[pearl elk]

Thats a community update

[cursive crypt]

*patch

[primal summit]

what about version 22/7?

[cursive crypt]

It will have round logo

[pearl elk]

We're going to only be supporting 4:3 aspect going forward

[celest musk]

no

only 9:16

from now on everything is vertical mode

[quasi mantle]

And add copious amount of microtransaction and gacha?

[ancient ingot]

Awww

[primal summit]

and no dark mode

[pearl elk]

Super bright hi-viz mode where everything is neon green and yellow

[ancient ingot]

Eyes say no

[cursive crypt]

But fingers - yes! Enter the new runtime random GUI placement algorithm.

[pearl elk]

Heart says yes

[ancient ingot]

Lol

[quasi mantle]

He left due to getting cornered for the hugging RP (and with my advice of leaving)

[gloomy inlet]

I've been summoned

[ancient ingot]

He should come back

[quasi mantle]

Likely won't come back, but I guess if you have some words for him, you can DM him or maybe have me deliver it

[ancient ingot]

I'll msg him later on but send him a hug pls

Wow is it a mod party today?

[pearl elk]

Mods have been reinforced

[ancient ingot]

What did we do?

[pearl elk]

You said there was some sort of incident

[cursive crypt]

We are slowly getting into a police state.

[pearl elk]

Its to stop the spread of AI art

[ancient ingot]

Lol I saw a video of chatgpt writing a WordPress plug in earlier

[quasi mantle]

Celebrating new employees

[ancient ingot]

Ohhh thought it was a sex party or something

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-dogs-out-are-you-ready-lets-party-lets-do-this-woof-woof-gif-23684912

[ancient ingot]

🤣 🤣

Where's Laura?

[cursive crypt]

Go to #cpp

[ancient ingot]

nooo i cant do that they're all like, big brained in there

[pearl elk]

That function doesnt return hibiscus

[ancient ingot]

😮

also. its fecking cold

[cursive crypt]

Love requires sacrifices.

[gentle sage]

hey unreal people

[cursive crypt]

no

We slappers

https://tenor.com/view/anime-slap-funny-gif-22149950

[ancient ingot]

Sacrifice leads to death

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/despierta-ya-gif-24011402

[sweet rose]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5E1jEFXElio2eOxjJ3WLnk?si=f4fe4e1333cb4e89

[cursive crypt]

Start learning #cpp

[pearl elk]

Thug++ might be more lucrative

[cursive crypt]

Errors are more punishing tho

[pearl elk]

apparently you shouldnt ask ChatGPT for scientific information

I would have never have guessed myself, Im glad a science major went through and thoroughly tested it to find out this information for me

[cursive crypt]

oh no, someone published a sci-fi paper using chatgpt?

[pearl elk]

Its like being afeared of midjourney even though is pretty mid

[quasi mantle]

Writing sci-fi with ChatGPT is fine, and kinda ironic in a way, because of how many sci-fi works predicted speculated man and machine relationship in works

[ancient ingot]

https://i.imgur.com/8T0Mp5Q.png

this is so cool lmao

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-moon-obi-wan-kenobi-starwars-death-star-gif-10170550

[ancient ingot]

😂

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-autumn-中秋节快乐-中秋-月饼-兔子-gif-18645582

Correct! It is a moon cake ^

[pearl elk]

So UE 5.1 will finally have a moon

[cursive crypt]

Is the sun gone?

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-sigh-star-wars-sunset-binary-sunset-gif-11710373

https://tenor.com/view/pitch-black-radha-mitchell-vin-diesel-riddick-david-twohy-gif-14597806

[cursive crypt]

UE 5.2 will have two suns, confirmed.

[pearl elk]

2 suns but still no moon 😛

[ancient ingot]

but we neeeeeeeeed a moon

[pearl elk]

apparently moon phases are more difficult than astrotrajectories

[quasi mantle]

source?

[pearl elk]

Moon.cpp

[ancient ingot]

dunno how i missed this but

BOT
 — 01/15/2023 1:00 PM

Unreal Slackers
One of your strikes expired
No strikes remaining.
01/15/2023 1:00 PM```

yey

[cursive crypt]

Two days ago?

Who wants to be a banana?

[celest musk]

i want to belong to a dog

[ancient ingot]

i wanna be a dog

[celest musk]

you can be

https://tenor.com/view/furry-fursuit-oshamy-oshamy-the-furry-furries-gif-24086371

[cursive crypt]

We haven't had furries yet in #lounge 🤔

[ancient ingot]

you have now weee im a DOG !

[celest musk]

bark for us

[ancient ingot]

wooof woof

[celest musk]

nice

[cursive crypt]

Attaboy

[celest musk]

good boi

[cursive crypt]

Take 🍖

[ancient ingot]

♥️

arghhhh arghhh yum yum

[pearl elk]

Thats what you think

[celest musk]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-dog-slayed-snsdmongus-side-eye-gif-26298951

[ancient ingot]

😮 no way

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[fluid bloom]

> ask for source art for images
> get compressed .jpgs

okaythen

[sweet rose]

no

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/tap-that-slap-smack-booty-gif-18360557

[fluid bloom]

nice

[ancient ingot]

🤔

[gloomy inlet]

u always post the best gifs

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sink-deep-emotional-door-open-gif-24011307

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/kuill-the-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-gif-15542178

[naive sigil]

some dude was asking me questions about a project, and he sent me this screenshot

[sweet rose]

https://tenor.com/view/flaming-fart-fire-poop-bodysuit-gif-23307369

[naive sigil]

ig this answers "whos still using windows 7"

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-council-star-wars-council-has-spoken-gif-17632756

[sweet rose]

Chads

[naive sigil]

no.

[sweet rose]

Yes

[naive sigil]

the only ones who still use windows 7 are those with a computer so shitty it cant run win 10 (and in turn cant run ue)

and those who are old

and like win 7 more

[sweet rose]

cope

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/travolta-lost-gif-5612517

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/windows-windows7-microsoft-windows-startup-windows7startup-gif-20042708

https://tenor.com/view/computer-90s-vintage-retro-start-gif-13284186

[hot canopy]

[thick belfry]

Unreal crashing again

[tulip orbit]

it'd be easier if you updated us on when its not crashing

[neat badge]

citizens are raging against phones lazlow

[primal summit]

I prefer 95 or 3.1

[naive sigil]

no

no

just no

[unborn lotus]

3.1 was magic

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-aesthetic-hand-spin-gif-17122598

[quasi mantle]

The list surely goes so long

[thorny dock]

I love the pointy finger, the classic JRPG cursor, so simplistic and perfect

<@&213101288538374145>

[unborn lotus]

Isnt astigmatism more like really long bloom

Anyway I read that myopia is so prevalent because the focusing muscles are not trained for open spaces or horizons anymore

[rancid root]

Be chill when talking about settings. No need to insult people over that.

Also feel free to right click on a message -> Apps -> Report to moderators. That allows us to work a bit easier with the report.

[quasi mantle]

It's constructed with one SDF texture, so the shading is done in material
Though I had to do something with that aliasing

SDF texture's supposed to hold up on higher resolution, but maybe getting the current resolution to adjust the smooth stepping could reduce the aliasing on smaller res

[thin aspen]

astigmatism sucks

Feels like i always have some crystal or something in my eye distorting light

especially at night

[quasi mantle]

And then someone wishes me astigmatism for Motion Blur setting

It's just stupid, but typical gamer behavior

[topaz depot]

Affectionate Unreal Engine

[thin aspen]

I've come to expect nothing, that way I'm usually pleasantly surprised

[quasi mantle]

I'm tired for writing like 36+ entries for the whole graphics settings lol

[thin aspen]

oh I meant to ask you, did you ever write that custom shader?

[quasi mantle]

The fluid sim?

[thin aspen]

i think it was for anime-esque shading on characters

[quasi mantle]

Already got it working, ported from UE4
Though the specular attribute is still busted

But still can be bodged with setting the range/offset to 0

[thin aspen]

Was it difficult? my brother was looking at that artistic style for his game

[quasi mantle]

Initially it was kinda tough to port it to UE5, and early on it was too many guess works lol, considering UE5 modified many bits of the shader codes and how it handles custom shading models

[quasi mantle]

At least I've done (mostly) bringing them over to UE5, and it's on my fork:
https://github.com/EscapeEntertainmentTeam/UnrealEngine

It does require building the engine from source code, vanilla launcher builds won't work

[warm bloom]

oh my gosh I was only messing with mako cause I'm used to them here lol

and I'm pretty sure they have participated in my conversation of hatred towards motion blur

mahaha

it wasn't serious:p

^

[zinc matrix]

that is pure evil

[quasi mantle]

Wishing illness upon someone is lame

[thin aspen]

cp ./

I'll shoot it over to him much appreciated

[quasi mantle]

I might be edgy at times but my humor never stoop that low, down to wishing someone contracting illness

[warm bloom]

Astigmatism isn't an illness though 😭

what are you working on btw

[quasi mantle]

Anyway, I'm tired, thinking about 36+ graphical settings is exhausting

Good night.

[warm bloom]

sleep well

tomorrow is another day where you'll probably have to think of 37+

i just got on my computer and another anime i wish to watch releases

all the effort down the drain

back to my phone

[primal summit]

I yearn for the good old days when you had 3 graphics settings: resolution, hud size, and quality

[topaz depot]

I agree

[inland oriole]

New moderators :0

Or am I just stupid?

[topaz depot]

why do you need all of these complicated settings that barely change anything

[primal summit]

New moderators yes.
Are you stupid? That I can't answer.

[inland oriole]

I agree some have too many, but in general it's not that bad honestly. Graphics often have presets for when you don't care. Input bindings as a different example just take a lot of space, not much you can do about that. Volume sliders are always welcome in my book etc. etc. xD

[primal summit]

motion blur, bloom, and dof make games so much harder to play

[inland oriole]

Motion blur is the one thing I wish would just not exist, I've not once talked to someone who actually uses it. It's such a weird thing and just feels uncomfortable.

Bloom however, if not used too much, can be nice.

[primal summit]

bloom, dof, and motion blur try to mimic limitations of cameras or human visual processing, which... you're doing... as you're experiencing the content... so why stack?

dof is the only thing that even makes a little bit of sense, and only with an eye tracking setup...

[inland oriole]

That exists?

[primal summit]

not in a practical monitor system

and not feeding back to a game

[foggy path]

Some VR headsets have eyetracking but not sure how well it's being utilized as it's still a bit of a niche feature

[broken sigil]

Yes

#announcements

@pearl pewter Not a channel for that, probably best to make a post in #volunteer-projects

[pearl pewter]

kk

[sweet rose]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5jVLDF1d5uBcgKrFSh8jVO?si=a2dc4a36495d4754

https://tenor.com/view/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-animated-cartoon-comedy-police-man-gif-3461661

[thorny dock]

TIL, but it's hidden under Apps, that's quite lame that discord won't even let you create custom context menu categories

[foggy path]

This feature is literally not available in any single chat platform :P

I was surprised the apps option even was there because I never saw it before, I thought that was pretty good

[sweet rose]

cough Telegram

Telegram >>>>

[foggy path]

Just don't talk about shit about UAE on there

lol

[trail wedge]

I don't know what the bottom half of that image is but if it's related to Attack on Titan, I don't want to know

I'm only watching the anime so please don't spoil me from the manga

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-sorrow-letter-reading-letter-gif-17339831

[trail wedge]

yeah they're going to be two cores but that's more total episodes I'd assume, although we don't have details yet

it was already OP levels of milking when they said the final season part 2

this is the final season parts 3 and 4 we're talking about milking happened a long time ago

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-yeti-milking-a-yak-aint-exactly-a-picnic-yak-milk-gif-26522053

[lofty lark]

Final Season Part 3 Subpart 1 weird

[trail wedge]

let's be fair. it's a bunch of people fighting a bunch of other people in the same fights for 150 episodes

[sweet rose]

why?

[foggy path]

Well as long as you aren't planning on traveling there I'm sure it's fine lol

[sweet rose]

what is OP

[foggy path]

Telegram HQ is in UAE and their best friends Saudis just gave the death penalty to someone for criticizing them on twitter, so you know, YMMV

lol

[sweet rose]

Oh

Haha

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/alfred-alfre-j-kwak-kwak-duck-patka-gif-14925942

[sweet rose]

that's crazy

[soft night]

well sometimes it is that way

[cursive crypt]

hmm... got a pong as it seems, but it is gone.

[nova swallow]

Anyone who happens to know why quick export as PNG isn't working in Photoshop? I've tried resetting my preferences already since that's the only "solution" I've found so far from google

[sweet rose]

ask chatgpt

[nova swallow]

ChatGPT is at capacity right now

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sad-pepe-crying-pepe-the-pepe-gif-21617046

[sweet rose]

oof

[sweet rose]

wait i got in

[nova swallow]

Ask for me 😄

[nova swallow]

Then I'm out of luck

[sweet rose]

make it JPG and convert it?

[nova swallow]

Might try reinstalling PS but it feels like I've done that earlier when I've been irritated because it hasn't been working. Last resort I'll pirate it I guess

I need the transparency

[sweet rose]

there's probably a tool for that too

[nova swallow]

Also I can save as PNG, but there's like 20 options so it's annoying to search the list each time. It's not that I can't get it to PNG I just can't use the quick export

[sweet rose]

or use https://photopea.com

same as PS but free

[nova swallow]

Yeah I guess, some shortcuts will get overriden by the browser though

Like Ctrl+Shift+N, thanks anyways though

[cursive crypt]

PS being prolly one if the few apps in the world having issues with png

[nova swallow]

Prior to maybe last year, I've never had a problem with quick export

[cursive crypt]

There was even legends about their support

[nova swallow]

Never had any problems on cracked nor official versions

I'll look into that, thanks

So I would just go File->Save As->Chose PNG and hit save while recording?

It seems to create a copy if I do it again, any advice or do I have to search the web on my own?

Might be possible to fix from preferences if I'm lucky

Wait I might be dumb

It still wants me to select the file for overwriting but that's almost the same as quick export so I'm happy. Thank you so much

I have been using raw PSD files for a while but the quality just isn't the same, especially if you have to display it in a really small image

Yeah, Qucik export automatically overwrites the file. It's exactly like hitting Ctrl+S but it saves it as a PNG. This is more like Save As but with PNG already selected so the annoying part of it is gone at least

You can see there how the left one(PSD) adds a white rim and is overall slightly lower quality

[quasi mantle]

This, perhaps?
https://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2017/05/09/beware-of-transparent-pixels/

[nova swallow]

Yeah probably, still weird how it's not a problem for PNG files. They are both using the same settings

[quasi mantle]

I might have it too many, considering the options menu has around 8 categories, each with very granular settings, like adjusting visible HUD parts outside battle, allow hold button to attack, to UI color customization

But IMHO giving more option to player is far less hurting than giving less

cough FF7 Remake PC port

[quasi mantle]

Also apparently TikTok is getting banned in the US

[broken sigil]

good

[quasi mantle]

Less people showing off their stupidity and lack of brain cells

YouTube Shorts on its own can be stupid, so does the algorithm

But I guess the algo isn't that bad these days, I had recommendations from actually relevant creators and topics now
I do remember back then the Shorts getting pushed are super random and not something I interested at all

[quasi mantle]

Though YT Shorts on desktop is unbearable

[zinc matrix]

Mark Cerny said during the PS5 presentation that he had hopes that developers would focus on how much energy a game is taking to process. Old games are all single threaded. Is there any concern or area related to optimising code such that a single threaded code is ported to modern hardware to achieve the same output of old hardware while consuming less energy on modern hardware? For ex: port quake to modern hardware such that it attains the same performance and use up less CPU to consume less energy.

[quasi mantle]

I'd say it would be only relevant with same modern code.

[celest musk]

it does that by default

[quasi mantle]

With modern hardware, processing old game is child's play

[celest musk]

old games are heavily optimized, modern hardware can process that with way less power consumption

[zinc matrix]

shifting from single to multithread wouldn't make old code require less power?

[celest musk]

i doubt that (and it would be pretty much not worth the effort, maybe the dev sitting there wastes more energy making it multi threaded than what it would save long term using it :D)

[quasi mantle]

If anything it could break the whole game

Also the actual Quake application from 1996 is no longer running on modern PC (at least to my testing), and you'd need source ports to play the game anyway

Also in practice it doesn't matter that much, unless you're working with embedded systems

[celest musk]

is there even still 32bit support in modern windows?

[quasi mantle]

32-bit, yes, but not 16-bit

[celest musk]

oh nvm

[quasi mantle]

16-bit compat is long gone by the time 64-bit Windows become the norm

[celest musk]

and dosbox, is that still a thing that could run it?

[quasi mantle]

Out of curiosity, are you working on embedded system (and consoles)?

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, it could run W95 as well

[celest musk]

also all your effort is pearls in front of pigs... when kids these days play cod for an hour with 144fps because they think that would make them any better 😄
most energy is wasted running modern systems with 100% load

[zinc matrix]

no. I once saw somebody porting doom 3 code to multithreaded and whoever was learning from it said that going to multithreaded with doom 3 would mean close to 50% perf gains

[quasi mantle]

Did it mention something about energy consumption, though?

[zinc matrix]

no. I thought in reverse, same perf with no gains = less energy?

[celest musk]

the energy consumption is just spread across 2+ cores then

[quasi mantle]

If you really want to save energy, don't leave your computer on overnight unless you have to

[celest musk]

and use fps limiter in games

[warm bloom]

I just watched bocchi the rock cause I kept hearing about it

need season 2

smh

[timber viper]

I'm on EP10

[fleet tangle]

It's very good.

Made In Abyss, though, that's fantatsic.

[warm bloom]

i have not watched season two of mia

[fleet tangle]

It doesn't really focus on the "MC" as much, and there's a lot of side character action, but it's epically tragic.

Better than the first season, imo.

But there's a film in between, Dawn of the Deep Soul.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-hammer-cant-touch-this-gif-20008560

Its all about the hammer pants

[sweet rose]

If it's replaced with an app that doesn't deliberately promote degeneracy, that would be nice

Because TikTok and vertical form content in general, is an excellent marketing tool

Yikes only on government devices apparently

[shy veldt]

Quit my toxic job and later the same night I'm stuck with thousands in vet bills and lost my entire safety net and its only day 1 of the new job search for a new VR programming role.

Wish me luck guys, things seem dark lol

Gf made chocolate cupcakes for the first time and dog got one.... he is 10 lbs. So ya, had a safety net and now nothing and I am not sure qhat to do since I'm broke and my skills are; programming lol Was a chef once but now crippled from a previous injury. Life as a dev just seems hard and I'm fishing for advice lol

[proud jay]

did you not anticipate the bills coming in?

oh

read second message now

you could always look at #hire-a-freelancer to get something I guess

[unborn lotus]

you can always sell something on the UE marketplace too

[trail wedge]

how much money do you think is even reasonable to earn from that though

even on the high end with such a small audience I expect that's not a real income

[unborn lotus]

well I only sell art but it was enough passive income to cover my monthly utilty bills

for years

[trail wedge]

I guess more people actually buy stuff on the marketplace than I'd expect

[unborn lotus]

you'd make bank with a good plugin

If I retire, I'd just spend 6 months making a dozen packs and live off of that

[proud jay]

the nice part is that once you make it it can keep selling

[trail wedge]

I can't imagine paying for a plugin personally but I guess it's possible; you clearly know more than me about this

[proud jay]

there's a lot of newbies paying for plugins though

and if yours is just really good it's also worth it

thinking of the voxel plugin of Phy

that's one plugin and it's his fulltime job afaik

[unborn lotus]

and you can price it absurdly high "for companies", you'd still sell a few because you save a big studio a lot of time

[trail wedge]

I was and I was thinking of how we have to fight people to get them to even check out the free version when it fits their use case

seemed to me they couldn't have that many sales

[quasi mantle]

I sincerely doubt you can make a sustainable profit from it, at least sustainable enough for full time work

[proud jay]

hristew is more referring to "some" income I think

[quasi mantle]

Especially considering stolen animation pack making its way into the spotlight

[proud jay]

not necessarily main source of full time job income

[unborn lotus]

how much is sustainable profit to you though?

[unborn lotus]

yes, as a side thing it's great to assure passive income month by month

but you could go full time with it too

a couple of big enviros like Leartes does or kimmo kaunela

[trail wedge]

bare minimum to be considered a fulltime job to me (and this would be to scrape by) would be $5,000 in sales a month

[quasi mantle]

At least $500/month
And IMO that's not realistic for some creators who isn't having god tier skills in their bedroom.

[unborn lotus]

I can see that happening with 20+ good and desireable packs

[unborn lotus]

that's about what I was doing with 2 packs

but sadly Epic killed my sales

with their nanite city 😦

I imagine plugins and code sell MUCH better

[trail wedge]

yeh so I could make 20 packs and tie my fortune to their success and I wouldn't have money for anything but food and housing

or not waste time on that and make a game or get a job

[unborn lotus]

no one is saying don't get a job

[trail wedge]

marketplace is just pennies for your time

[proud jay]

it all depends on where the guy lives too I guess

[trail wedge]

we're talking in this guy's hypothetical

[quasi mantle]

Picture my thoughts: 30 animations a pack, hand animated for weeks, selling them for $19.99, and competing against stolen animation pack

[trail wedge]

he doesn't have time to waste on making marketplace packs sounds like he needs income now

[proud jay]

I wish I made 5k a month of my actual job 🥲

[unborn lotus]

you don't already??

[trail wedge]

You're massively underpaid if you're doing dev work for under $60K a year and that's pretty low

[proud jay]

I'm also not in america my man

[trail wedge]

this is the internet

[quasi mantle]

$60K in my region is also considered rich

[trail wedge]

get a US job if you have to

remote

[quasi mantle]

Easier said than done for those living on different time zones

[trail wedge]

$60K in most of the US is average/poor

[proud jay]

they would have to pay me like a US employee, and let me work during EU hours

[quasi mantle]

Easier done than said for those already living in the US

[proud jay]

and have all the legal shit setup if I would be an employee

if I would freelance I would already lose a lot of that on taxes for the company

[unborn lotus]

start doing freelance!

[quasi mantle]

I've getting rejected for remote work because my time zone is too far off

At least for those in the western hemisphere

[trail wedge]

I dunno timezones don't matter to me it's 4:20am here

[proud jay]

I think over 4k already puts you in like top 20% of earners here

well, working at 4 am is your choice

one I am not willing to mimic personally

[quasi mantle]

On serious note, not everyone is living in North America
And I'm sure as shit don't want to live a nocturnal life again

[trail wedge]

100K a year and you can barely live in parts California (I don't live there just saying)

[timber viper]

I guess possible in game dev 😄

[proud jay]

luckily I don't live in cali

[quasi mantle]

4:20 PM

[trail wedge]

I'm not saying you should do this I'm just saying I would do this if I lived elsewhere

[trail wedge]

nice

[unborn lotus]

are those the salaries around there? seems awfully low. I mean programmers here earn about that and if they choose frelance they can make bank

[timber viper]

Talking about remote.. there is a programmer influence this year

[quasi mantle]

My only chance for remote work by far is Australia and Far East regions, really

[timber viper]

everywhere is full of programmers trying to get hired

and too many seniors exist

[proud jay]

median income is 3.5k or something

[quasi mantle]

And seniors don't want to lose their jobs to newcomers

[proud jay]

ok sorry over 4k is top 30% not 20

[timber viper]

they seem like already lost their jobs

[trail wedge]

you're talking monthly though right?

[proud jay]

of course lol

[trail wedge]

I'm talking annually (pretty sure I specified each time)

[quasi mantle]

I wonder if it is the reason why many senior programmers become elitists online

[proud jay]

yeah I know

[unborn lotus]

it's night in USA, it's time to talk in european terms

[proud jay]

I am so ready for senior

[timber viper]

too many peasants exist online too

[proud jay]

elitism ✅

[quasi mantle]

Which would be median $42K annual

[trail wedge]

I dunno I think you guys are talking about walking the traditional path with promotions and hierarchy... that's not the path I've walked

[proud jay]

correct, which is lower than 100k

[quasi mantle]

To many non-US countries, getting past $10K annual is already considered rich

[unborn lotus]

question though, is that net salary?

[proud jay]

69% of belgians earn between 2- 4.2k per month

before taxes

[trail wedge]

I've been talking before taxes too to be clear

[quasi mantle]

In Indonesia, average income would be, get this, around 2400 USD annual

[timber viper]

If I earn 5k somehow government takes 1.5k of it

[proud jay]

that's it?

[quasi mantle]

And the one which I'm happen to be living with, at the moment.

[trail wedge]

yeh but your money gets you further... that's why I personally would attempt to get a remote job paying way more even if it meant sleeping at odd times to get an advantage

even if just for a bit to build up supply

[timber viper]

around the same in here

[proud jay]

anything over 42k annual is taxed at 50% here

[trail wedge]

it's like getting the gold minerals or purple gas

[timber viper]

wow

so you earn 2.5k if you earn 5k?

[proud jay]

well it's progressive tax

but in essense yes

[timber viper]

damn

[unreal ether]

Here in the UK anything from 50-100k is taxed 40%

[unborn lotus]

I didn't know you were this POOR Dieter

[proud jay]

this is definitely not poor here

[trail wedge]

you lose about 33-40% in end in taxes in the US (not talking sales tax, just income)

[unreal ether]

Why do we have to revshare with the government 😭😭😭

[proud jay]

ikr

and then I build a house

[quasi mantle]

In my country, you're subject to 5% tax until you're surpassing 3.3K USD
15% if you're surpassing 16K USD

[proud jay]

and have to pay 21% on the price again

fuck the government

[unborn lotus]

I only pay 9% of what I earn as a freelancer as tax, otherwise salaries are fixed at 40-50% or something

[timber viper]

thanks for being my voice

[quasi mantle]

Particularly shitty government taking up taxpayer money for their own gain smh

[timber viper]

I'm not allowed to say which government from my side

[trail wedge]

to pay for all the shit that makes your life livable like roads etc lol

[proud jay]

If I would freelance I would have to pay what we call "bedrijfsvoorheffing", which is already 34%, and then on the salary I get another percentage

there's ways to avoid it though

like if I would set up a company, I could keep the funds in the company and after 5 years pay myself dividends, and those are only taxed 15%

[timber viper]

Earn 10k annually, live in Turkey, live more luxurous life than an average European

work less watch more anime

[unreal ether]

Funny joke.
The NHS barely pays it's workers a living wage
Same with the transport networks
The roads don't get fixed nor does anything else

[unborn lotus]

that's what I do, but only have to keep the funds for a year (or quarter) then it's 8% tax

[unborn lotus]

eastern europe, work freelance for more than 5k/month

[quasi mantle]

And lying about your timezone and location to get past screening phase?

[trail wedge]

I dunno, not saying there isn't waste or corruption just meant in the end that was the reason

[trail wedge]

no

[proud jay]

BE government definitely wastes a shit ton of money on crap and useless stuff and bad managment

[trail wedge]

last job I was at had people from all over the world

[unborn lotus]

you don't need to lie, some companies look for cheap remote work (cheap for them) but good pay for you

[proud jay]

it's actaully enraging how incompetent they are

[quasi mantle]

And then timezone limitation is a thing, having to wake up midnight for meeting and possibly waiting for hours for back and forth comm

[unreal ether]

Oh yeah I get why taxes are high here. I wouldn't particularly mind it if it was used for what it should be used for.

Instead of giving every prime minister ever elected a 100k allowance annually until death. Even those that were in office for 40 days and did nothing but fuck things up

[trail wedge]

my last job had people in the US, Canada, Greece, Ukraine, and other places that I can't remember

[proud jay]

we have ukraine office as well

[trail wedge]

it wasn't an office

[proud jay]

they are living like kings over there with what we pay them

before war of course

[unborn lotus]

that depends, my current employer needs like one 10 minute call per month

[trail wedge]

those were independent remote workers I was talking about

everybody was remote at that job

[proud jay]

well, feel free to offer me a job next month, have salary review the 31st and have a feeling I will be disappointed 🙃

[trail wedge]

if I hear about one I'll let you know

[unreal ether]

You can't even commit tax evasion in the UK unless self employed smh. It's automatically taken out of your payslip

[trail wedge]

I found that last one through people I met here

[proud jay]

same

having a company is very beneficial for some grey zone things

belgian companies are pro at avoiding taxes though

all the fringe benefits to avoid labour tax

[trail wedge]

same in the US but you can still lie about how much they should take out and end up owing

[unreal ether]

US taxes are weird. I heard if you're a citizen you still have to pay taxes on wages even if you no longer live in america

[trail wedge]

yep

[proud jay]

the wild thing in murica is prices in stores not including taxes

[trail wedge]

unless you give up citizenship

[proud jay]

some countries have tax treaties though

[trail wedge]

sales tax varies from state to state (and in some states county to county)

[proud jay]

I know it does

but the store doesn't move does it

[unreal ether]

Hey this coke is $1.50 right?
Lmao nah its $2.25 you absolute imbecile. You downright idiot.

[trail wedge]

yeh I mean I understand how VAT is easier than our way of doing sales tax but honestly they should just remove point of sale taxes entirely imo

[unreal ether]

But it said $1.50 on the label :(

[timber viper]

USA tax policy confuses me a lot

[unborn lotus]

how do you even shop if you have only a few bucks

whip out your calculator?

[trail wedge]

we use cards

nobody uses cash as their primary form of payment... it's backup for places that don't take cards

[proud jay]

you can still only have a few bucks on the card

[trail wedge]

and we don't care about amounts under $1 since they're basically worthless

[unborn lotus]

for those living paycheck to paycheck and scraping by for groceries

[trail wedge]

even still a can of vegetables costs $1

you really can't buy much with change

[unborn lotus]

how much with tax? 😆

[proud jay]

doesn't matter how much it costs

[trail wedge]

$1.06 where I am (6% sales tax)

[unreal ether]

It's also weird how America is dead set on the imperial system

[proud jay]

the fact is that you have to do calculations to know how much you are spending before going to the register and hope you were right

[trail wedge]

we just don't do that

the bill is the bill and I dunno I'm personally ok at fuzzy math, you add ballparks and get an estimate

[proud jay]

if you're poor and have 34 dollars, I'm sure you'd like to spend less than 34 dollars

[trail wedge]

if you have $34 you have $0

[proud jay]

so people should not eat if they are poor is what you say?

[trail wedge]

no

[proud jay]

homelessness solved

[trail wedge]

I'm saying they have no money either way

[proud jay]

but you still want food

[unreal ether]

I do some hobbyist level carpentry and I couldn't imagine having to measure out in inches or fractions thereof

[trail wedge]

you can't live off under $5 a day in the US if you're doing nothing but getting food

$34 will buy them a week

[unborn lotus]

it's 10 inches 14/32s

[proud jay]

I think you're just missing the point though

the amount is not the issue

what if you have 4$

[trail wedge]

adding up sales tax isn't as important as begging for money or getting assistance at the point you're talking about though

[unreal ether]

I also found American imperial system more confusing when I was following recipes. Because American imperial, in the amounts of cups, tablespoons, pints etc. Are actually larger than UK ones.

[trail wedge]

well yes I guess for a very narrow band of people that live between abject poverty and floating by there might be some people adding this up
but I've lived in very poor areas of the US and I've never seen anybody doing that

[unborn lotus]

math question, you have 6$ to spend on food today, can you afford a 3$ bread and a 2$ bag of rice? what is the total after tax?

[trail wedge]

nobody cares you're dead tomorrow

if you only have $4

[unborn lotus]

that's your food budget

you have 3k in the bank

[trail wedge]

even homeless people have more than that after an hour of begging

[unborn lotus]

just imagine it's change in your pocket

and you want to buy something

[trail wedge]

you can get more value than that from a food bank

[unborn lotus]

rich or poor

[fringe pilot]

i see dissing on USAsians going on here

count me in

[trail wedge]

if you're rich why do you care, if you're poor you have bigger problems

[proud jay]

unfortunately I'm poor for americans 😭

[unborn lotus]

lol this was only about how weird and unneeded is to show prices before tax on the shelves

[unreal ether]

Do you guys not have cheap food. I can nip to my local Iceland and get a lasagna to feed two at a stretch for £1

[trail wedge]

nobody here cares about sales tax just saying

[unreal ether]

And it only costs me £1 too

[proud jay]

isn't iceland a country

[fringe pilot]

well you should care because most of you arent a company and cant get them back

[proud jay]

If I freelance is your daily lunch business expense 🤔

[unreal ether]

It is but it's also a frozen food shop

It's great they sell bake at home Gregg's products

[proud jay]

it's teambuilding

who's Gregg

[unreal ether]

Do Americans have greggs

[trail wedge]

no?

I dunno it's a big country

[unreal ether]

Greggs is the bakery of the gods

[trail wedge]

never heard of them personally

[unreal ether]

:(

[fringe pilot]

you can eat for 2,5€ a day in germany if you want to

[proud jay]

I guess I'll have to visit iceland for it

[trail wedge]

We have Aldi and Lidl from Germany (in Maryland)

they're recent though

[unreal ether]

Same. Aldi is amazing

[proud jay]

well I mean you could eat like a week for 3 euros if you enjoy just dry bread and starving a little

[cursive crypt]

https://kotaku.com/ubisoft-skull-bones-delay-assassins-creed-far-cry-cuts-1849975925

[fringe pilot]

its not about aldi or lidl per se its what you choose to eat

[proud jay]

delayed again???

how

[fringe pilot]

i buy 1kg of chicken breasts and frozen veggies and they last me for 1 week at work

[unborn lotus]

I have never seen more arguing and fights than at Lidl

including some punches thrown

[proud jay]

I swear I applied for skull and bones position 4 years ago and they were "just optimizing console ports"

[cursive crypt]

Paris is going on a strike

[fringe pilot]

which country

[trail wedge]

oh no I was just mentioning they're a recent addition over here... they bring some brands we didn't have before from the EU

[fringe pilot]

like what?

[unborn lotus]

eastern europe

[cursive crypt]

https://twitter.com/SolInfoJeuVideo/status/1615263954955116546?s=20&t=zgojqHM6j_7WY3uE9eu1yA

Solidaires Informatique Jeu Vidéo (@SolInfoJeuVideo)

📢Ubisoft Paris - Appel à la grève
Vendredi 27 - après-midi
M. Guillemot veut mettre la pression à ses employés. Répondons lui par la grève. ✊

📢CALL TO STRIKE - FRIDAY 27th - Afternoon
M. Guillemot want to put pressure on the salaries. Let's strike. ✊

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[fringe pilot]

in germany the worst you can expect is a nasty look.
punching someone would lead to police being there pretty quick

[proud jay]

on the salaries lol

weird translation

[trail wedge]

I can't think of an example off the top of my head sadly.... I actually shop mostly at HMart (a Korean grocery chain)

[proud jay]

employees is the correct word

[unborn lotus]

yeah, never saw it anywhere else basically..just old men and women at lidl arguing over who was first

[cursive crypt]

CEO threw the ball towards the employees - do better

[fringe pilot]

we had walmart in germany too in the 90s
didnt last long
the american system of emploing people and how to treat them lead to a quick downfall

[unborn lotus]

was it walmart where cashiers had to stand?

[trail wedge]

yeh we hate Walmart too

HMart has nothing to do with Walmart though

[proud jay]

just saying their own english translation is wrong

[trail wedge]

cashiers stand everywhere here

[fringe pilot]

just saying, thats the only american store that tried

[proud jay]

it's wild to have them standing lol

like what's the point

it's easier for them to bow to you?

[trail wedge]

most stores only have 1 or 2 cashiers anymore anyway

[unreal ether]

Here we have ASDA and that's owned by Walmart

[fringe pilot]

sitting is the new smoking havent you heard

[unreal ether]

I found out yesterday that the UK has costco

[unborn lotus]

standing stands in the way of freedom

[cursive crypt]

They french, what did you expected? There is no other language

[trail wedge]

cashiers have mostly been replaced by self checkouts except in small businesses

[proud jay]

I swear 80% of the time I do self checkout I get a "random" inspection

and I lose more time anyway

[unreal ether]

I went into a Walmart once. Was a wild experience. Never been in a single shop where you can buy some pringles, frozen waffles, tyres, a car, and a handgun in one trip

[proud jay]

walmart sells cars?

[trail wedge]

they keep 1-2 on staff to supervise or help people who don't know how to operate them

[unreal ether]

The one I went in did lol

[fringe pilot]

dont you have to id for alcohol? cause in germany, you theoretically do, but they never do because if you look old enough its good enough
but in self checkout cashiers if you scan alc, the alarm goes of, red light blinks, and a worker has to come to accept the purchase for you

[unreal ether]

In Orlando

[proud jay]

america sure is a special place

[unreal ether]

Oh how I wish to go back some day

Best holiday I ever went on ngl

[proud jay]

why

what did you do

[timber viper]

walmart people are also wild

[fringe pilot]

really? like i would rather visit russia
the odds of being shot down are so high in the US
like for nothing, youre just in the wrong neichbourhood

i consider the US to be the most dangerous country for holidays

would feel so unsafe there

[proud jay]

there's a peopleofwalmart subreddit

[unreal ether]

Well I was a kid and we went to Disney world. But I just really enjoyed the general experience of the state's.

There's also a lot of landmarks I want to visit. Grand canyon, etc.

Also want to go back to the Kennedy space centre

[proud jay]

only if you're not white though

[fringe pilot]

especially if youre white, cause you wont get shot in white neighbourhoods

[trail wedge]

You need to show your State ID or Driver's license to buy alcohol or tobacco. Not every state even sells alcohol in grocery stores.

In my state, Maryland, you have to buy alcohol in a liqour store. They don't sell it anywhere other than there or restaurants.

In all the surrounding states they have it in gas stations and grocery stores.

The age also varies by state for tobacco, but it's 21 nationwide for aclohol.

[unreal ether]

To be fair you're equally as likely to get stabbed in the uk

[trail wedge]

the odds of being shot down are so high in the US BS and I live near Baltimore

[trail wedge]

umm what?

[unborn lotus]

you haven't been shot yet

[unreal ether]

It's wild. Corner shops in the UK don't tend to care and will happily sell alcohol to 14 year olds because it's more culturally accepted.
Few people care although I'm one of them.

When we went there, we went to a restaurant, and they wouldn't sell alcohol to my dad without I'd. He was 45 with grey hair

[proud jay]

To be fair, you're equally as likely to eat fries in belgium

[trail wedge]

look everybody has guns. race has nothing to do with it... our crime is from poverty

[proud jay]

or was he just three teenagers in a trenchcoat?

[unreal ether]

I also want to go to Belgium, heard their mayo is good

[unreal ether]

Scientists are currently running this theory through the magic computer

[proud jay]

of course, how do you not make 100k a year lol poor homeless people just get a house

[proud jay]

I hate mayo

people love it though

[fringe pilot]

sure but poverty takes a clear stance on race over there

[trail wedge]

if it were up to me weed would be legal and alcohol would be more restricted (not banned but earlier cut offs at bars)

[proud jay]

just take the alcohol home 🧠

bars are a scam anyway

[trail wedge]

they're related but the direction changes depending on the region

[unreal ether]

Idk why weed is a class b in the UK lmao

[proud jay]

4 euros for a beer that I can buy in the store for less than 2

[unreal ether]

Literally as criminal as amphet

[pearl elk]

I only smoke class A weed

[trail wedge]

Personally I dislike alcohol. People should be allowed to do whatever they want if they're not hurting others though.

[unborn lotus]

https://media.giphy.com/media/L7PODy4N0rfUI/giphy.gif

[quasi mantle]

Tbh I'm still not sure on whether I should take the crowdfunding route

[trail wedge]

And it's not like I never drink but I just don't find it as appealing as others

[unborn lotus]

I can't drink because I have a headache the next day

[pearl elk]

crowdfunding weed, now theres an idea

[fringe pilot]

read an article some time ago that stated if alcohol would have been discoverd now and not back then, it would be an illegal substance for sure

[proud jay]

crowdfunding alcohol?

[trail wedge]

well that's just common sense

[proud jay]

well alcohol is a hard drug

the current normalization of getting black out drunk is not ok

[quasi mantle]

I mean, $2M+ for crowdfunding a game is a tall order, and I feel like one insignificant slip-up/inaccuracy can led you to huge scrutiny

[trail wedge]

tbh sugar and caffeine are basically drugs too. being a drug isn't inherently bad

[unreal ether]

I love alcohol and personally have a mini bar. Still have never understood getting drunk, why would you want to spend that much money to feel like shit.

I just drink because it makes some tasty drinks. Cannot beat a Gatsby

[proud jay]

2M is a lot

even getting that could be a challenge if you don't have good presentation and marketing

[trail wedge]

you know the story of Gatsby was about being fake right?

[unborn lotus]

and you'd die of stress having to deliver

[proud jay]

I like the taste and the calming effect, but like getting drunk sucks, if I'm already tipsy time to chill

[quasi mantle]

That too, I still don't know where to draw the line for using marketplace assets at all even for marketing placeholder

[unreal ether]

Don't even know the story of Gatsby. All I know it's the name of a drink that mixes southern comfort, lime and lemonade

[proud jay]

I mean you can get far even with written text if you're very convincing

[fringe pilot]

we drink beer in literglasses here
anything less is considred a small beer

[unborn lotus]

or from boots

[trail wedge]

ahh didn't realize it was a drink name as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gatsby

[unreal ether]

Same, once I feel the glow it's time to switch to water

[fringe pilot]

i got a 2L boot

but that you have to drink quickly

[proud jay]

where is here

[fringe pilot]

or it ges stale

Munich

[unreal ether]

Makes it last longer too because alcohol is pricey

[carmine frigate]

alcohol is verry cheap... beer is sorta expensive

[quasi mantle]

"Here's a single player action RPG project I'm developing, it's a one man project and I need your help to hire developers and artists to make it something you can play"

[proud jay]

it's the taxes that make it expensive

[unreal ether]

I mean a litre of southern comfort cost me £25 but it will last me months so idk

[fringe pilot]

opposite right here

[proud jay]

well I would expect a little more for 2M 😄 like design docs or soem shit

[quasi mantle]

And then there's perks, ideally I don't want to spend crowdfunded money for perks, and better off went for paying staff and equipments

[unborn lotus]

last time I was checking out crowdfunding it was more of a marketing tool for when the game was in the final stages - for getting wishlists and media attention, not particularly for an actual budget

[unreal ether]

I always wanted to visit California but I heard stuff super expensive there. Like you can still be broke on a 30k salary

[carmine frigate]

well u can get totally shitfaced here for a few euro if u stick too cheap vodka or whiskey bought in the store

not too mention if you have ur own still its basically free

[unreal ether]

Same but this discussion was mainly about how doing that is a terrible idea. Plus the fact that cheap spirits taste shit

[fringe pilot]

a maß costs around 3,5 to 4€
a maß is half a liter

of beer of course

[pearl elk]

if you have cheap shit alcohol just buy old wine barrels to store it in

[quasi mantle]

Well, few years ago it was actually for funding development for a game

[unborn lotus]

just make your own

[carmine frigate]

well some ppl put cola in their expensive whiskey... now thats shit 😛

[unborn lotus]

I know, but it seems so major failures have dented the public trust in crowdfunded projects that are starting out

[pearl elk]

try to get a neat whiskey in a club where the bartender cant even hear you

[fringe pilot]

once in france, a bought 6 liter plastic barrel of wine for 3€
tasted like the leftovers, mopped from the floor.

my lithuanian friends loved it
they said the cheap price makes it good and you just dont stop drinking

[carmine frigate]

thats from the bucket in a wine taster place... the wine ppl spit out 🙂

[quasi mantle]

Which makes me still not confident with taking the crowdfunding route, and lack of perks probably turned off people who want to pay in

[unreal ether]

It's actually the fermented mouthwash from dentist visits. The big sucky spit cup isn't what you think

[unborn lotus]

yes, and it's a ton of work. I gave up on that idea

[pearl elk]

oh yay now we get onto the nangs lol

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, I'm not really keen on having the money spent on backers perk, instead allocating them to actually developing the game

[unborn lotus]

it's tradition here to make hard spirits from fruits with home made contraptions

[quasi mantle]

I'd rather spend on merch arrangement after release

[unborn lotus]

but they are pretty good

[carmine frigate]

i sorta like cheap whiskey tho... i get expensive sometimes but the price diffrence doesnt really taste that much better... i think... i do taste it tho

[pearl elk]

at first I read that as contraceptions... my brain

[proud jay]

you could always yolo digital perks as well

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[unborn lotus]

I heard good things about NFTs

[quasi mantle]

Digital perks are fine tbh

[proud jay]

or perks like name in credits

[quasi mantle]

Or pre-order to the copies

[proud jay]

the hard part is convincing people that your thing is worth 2M

[carmine frigate]

rupees?

[unreal ether]

Not a big fan of most whiskey. Don't get it's appeal. Much like tequila

[quasi mantle]

USD

[proud jay]

what are you doing with the 2M

[unborn lotus]

if you're asking for 2M and get it just outsource the project to a studio for 500k and retire with the rest

[proud jay]

cause that's already a lot of money for an indie leve lgame

especially with no history

[unborn lotus]

I only wanted to ask for 30k so I can live off of it for a year with no job lol. but also asking for a small sum might be a bad thing

[quasi mantle]

I spreadsheeted it, hiring around 15 people for 4 years, and equipment for each, with rest going to asset commissions

[proud jay]

are you planning to work on this for like 10 years?

that's very amitious for a first commercial game

not saying it is wrong

[pearl elk]

Do the spreadsheet but this time replace 75% of the workforce with AI

[unreal ether]

And revshare the rest

[proud jay]

are you paying these people american wages

[quasi mantle]

$800/mo

[trail wedge]

lol

not even in Alabama would that work out

[carmine frigate]

hes from india

[proud jay]

it's not america though

[quasi mantle]

Not hiring someone from US btw

[trail wedge]

yeh I understand guys

[proud jay]

wasn't it indonesia?

[quasi mantle]

Close, but no cigar

[proud jay]

so the wages are like 600k?

[carmine frigate]

get a teachers job at an artschool.... now u get payed money... also u can use the students for slave labour

[trail wedge]

I was just commenting in relation to this post guys

[proud jay]

even if you throw 400k taxes on it, what is the other 1M doing

[quasi mantle]

Providing equipments, my idea is to not having them pay for it

[carmine frigate]

now you have like 60 artists for 0$ a month

[proud jay]

equiment like what

[trail wedge]

I wouldn't if I were you anyway

[pearl elk]

Use the students work to train your AI 😛

[proud jay]

they all get a 70k workstation?

also, maybe don't start with 15 right from the get go

I think starting with like 3-4 to get the core down and then growing might be beneficial

[carmine frigate]

friend of mine went too artschool... he had to do really dumb stuff unpaid... and they sold the work too supermarkets... stuff like make the vegetables more perfect and greener

[unborn lotus]

2M is the minimum asked or have you planned extra stuff for extra money?

[quasi mantle]

3K workstation each and internet fee

rest is going to commission assets like artworks and voices

[unreal ether]

Not to mention managing 15 people is gonna be painful without experience. Unless you have large management experience

[proud jay]

you hire 15 people but still need extern for artwork?

[quasi mantle]

hover target

[quasi mantle]

Well, voice actors typically isn't something you hire full time, similar goes to music and concept arts (which would be useful for marketing stuff)

[carmine frigate]

so what do you even offer back for the 2 mil?

[unreal ether]

Even the subnautica team was only like 5 people

[fringe pilot]

and a budget of 3M

[proud jay]

how big is that game that you gonna need 15 people for 4 years

[unreal ether]

Fair point lol

[unborn lotus]

the only way I see this working is if it has a lot of adult content

[proud jay]

actually 3M for early access and 10M for release

[unreal ether]

Although wasn't subnautica in early acces for a few millennia

[quasi mantle]

At best name on credits, preorder
I can't really offer more perks, and I don't want to waste backer money on merch

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-talk-about-such-things-joey-gladstone-dave-coulier-fuller-house-we-dont-mention-that-gif-17868280

[fringe pilot]

i remember the first review was written by king arther

who in those times, was the only one who could afford it

[unreal ether]

I heard their playtesters were a handful of velociraptors

[quasi mantle]

Well, I do plan to have mature content, but not straight up adult content

[carmine frigate]

investors care jack shit for name in credits... they want return on investment

[proud jay]

I think you need some more research on what crowdfunding typically does for successful campaigns

and a solid business plan and cost breakdown

[unborn lotus]

you need to 😅

[quasi mantle]

Hence I'm still doubting to take that route

[proud jay]

and very convincing writing and other material

what is the other route?

[fringe pilot]

suck it up, take a part time job and develop instead of sleeping

[quasi mantle]

Private VC, if not self funding

[unreal ether]

Vc?

[proud jay]

you're gonna self fund 2M?

Venture capital

[quasi mantle]

venture capital

[unreal ether]

I haven't seen that used outside of voice chat... Ahhh

[fringe pilot]

is this the first game youre developing

[quasi mantle]

I'll try anyway if it comes down to that

[fringe pilot]

or have you been part of a team in the past

[proud jay]

seems quite impossible

except if you suddenly inherited 1.5 mil

[sweet rose]

Good luck bro, this pain is only temporary, I hope you rise again soon!

[quasi mantle]

First main one, not counting private small projects, and corpo works

It's not MMO though 😛

[sweet rose]

It's a huge market dude

[proud jay]

if you're going VC you're gonna need a really really really solid business plan and proof of potential return on investment.
The average VC is gonna be stricter and look more into details and expectations than the average crowdfunding rando

[fringe pilot]

and as far as i understood there is no playable demo yet?

[trail wedge]

it's a niche of a niche from one POV

[unborn lotus]

and going to get a lot bigger

[quasi mantle]

I'm making one myself, but still using marketplace stuff for non-hero assets (I'm creating hero assets myself)

[carmine frigate]

u prolly could have gotten 2 mil form netflix or meta or some shit... but they are all cuttin cost now

[proud jay]

Keep in mind that with VC you're convicing a small group of investors to put up the full 2M, while with crowdfucing you're convincing a ton of idiots to put down like 30-100 bucks

one of those is more risk acceptable

[quasi mantle]

At the moment I'm tackling all the programming, devops, sound design, animations, character design and modeling, story writing, game design, few minutes of music, visual effects and tech art, UI/UX

[fringe pilot]

you gonna have to have a badass demo for either routes

[carmine frigate]

nah not really... just a good marketing team...

[fringe pilot]

but ive never seen a game marketed by buzzwords only

at the least an animation which has nothing to do with the game

[carmine frigate]

star citisen

[fringe pilot]

so renders

[quasi mantle]

It's been something I'm piling up since inital inception in 2018

[sweet rose]

@proud jay Bruh moment, meant to send the handshake gif for "fuck the government"

[quasi mantle]

Though I'm getting better with UE ever since, and basically redoing the code since 2021

[unreal ether]

Literally every crypto scam game that somehow earns millions before being rugged

[carmine frigate]

that mass effect porn game had nothing yet either

[sweet rose]

what

[unreal ether]

what

[carmine frigate]

hey i allready told him that

[proud jay]

here I was thinking you wanted to pay my taxes

[fringe pilot]

but wasnt the guy a huge name in the biz, than its something different

[trail wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-s-stanman-buzz-words-marketing-public-relations-nonsense-gif-25734787

[proud jay]

I think you're underestimating the effort of convincing people

[carmine frigate]

old school... doesnt say much about what he can do in modern times

[sweet rose]

"together we can change the world"

[fringe pilot]

old school my ass

that game brouhgt uo some of the most modern methods of modelling and texturing

[unreal ether]

Just say it's the world's first nft play to earn jrpg.

Boom billions

[fringe pilot]

which didnt exist before

[proud jay]

also maybe overestimating your capabilities to lead a team of 15 people to a successful game with no prior experience

but idk you

[quasi mantle]

But yeah, I'm planning to make public demo build all by myself (which has been stalled many times due to pandemic and RL complications, and equipment issues)

[carmine frigate]

well apple didnt invent computer or smart phones

just the word smart phone 😛

[unreal ether]

No but they like to pretend they did

While they uninvent the charging port for the iPhone 24

[fringe pilot]

i know and im not defending star citizien
its a scam
but still it contributed to the community

unlike apple

[unreal ether]

More like star shitizen 😎

[sweet rose]

shart shitizen

[unreal ether]

Now that sounds like a good game parody

[quasi mantle]

planning might not be the correct word, because I am working on it, just got stalled due to said complications

[unreal ether]

Meanwhile here I am making a game about sentient roombas

[quasi mantle]

Also considering usage of marketplace assets still left sour taste even if it's clearly for prototyping, and had to make the assets all by myself.

[fringe pilot]

will there be adult content?

[fringe pilot]

like one roomba hydralically lifting his front up to take another like a bull?

[unreal ether]

Undecided. Solid plan though

[pearl elk]

Press Shart to Play

[carmine frigate]

now you can go product placement route

[quasi mantle]

Using marketplace assets will be less acceptable than having completely original assets

(okay, almost original, I did use VRoid for the base character models, but I make the clothes and rig from scratch)

[sweet rose]

Players will take on the role of a Shart Shitizen, a member of an elite group of soldiers, and defend their colony from a variety of threats. With a mix of both combat and exploration, a variety of weapons and abilities, and an epic orchestral soundtrack, Shart Shitizen is sure to be a hit with sci-fi fans.

[fringe pilot]

how about you need to catch certain animals that shit out the fuel for your ship
like futurama

[sweet rose]

Yes

[unreal ether]

Please tell me top tier crowdfunders get a custom controller with the middle buttons being shart and shitlect

[carmine frigate]

just contact all the big roomba makers and ask if they are interested in product placement

[proud jay]

have a roomba vacuum up the shit fuel

[fringe pilot]

after you shat on the floor

is shat past tense for shit?

[pearl elk]

It could be the Shillect button for when you want to advertise on Twitch

[unreal ether]

Not sure that would fly. Especially seeing as some are explosive

[sweet rose]

Yes

[carmine frigate]

just the offbrands

[fringe pilot]

explosive like dierhea

fitting for the game

[unreal ether]

As in, "Move out of the way, I shat my pants"

[proud jay]

owni should make a game about burning pianos

[carmine frigate]

might have done that allready... i made a lot of games

[fringe pilot]

you could explore planets where are literal shitstorms going on during your stay

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[ancient ingot]

😯

[pearl elk]

Isnt that just Death Stranding

[fringe pilot]

using shit as a weapon like apes or what does he mean

humans would be more developed in that game

like theyd compress shit into pellets and shoot that

[unreal ether]

Make it a crypto game with a literal shitcoin

[pearl elk]

Apes actually use sticks to sling their shit further

[carmine frigate]

this 1 is about burning xmas presents.... might be a piano in there

https://owninator.itch.io/ballsofsnow

[unreal ether]

That is some A* artwork

[primal summit]

there was an incident, he got some experimental nanobots and now excretes high-yield chemical weapons

[proud jay]

avatar shitbender

[unreal ether]

Public bathrooms are already chemical warfare

[fringe pilot]

thats more superehero genre than scifi

the shit should be scientifically be used as a weapon

[primal summit]

I stole it from haban in schlock mercenary

[unreal ether]

I wouldn't call the guy with a bad case of terrorist ass a hero

[sweet rose]

the way of doodoo water

[carmine frigate]

https://youtu.be/kHj13VjYKIo?t=14

[pearl elk]

terrorasst?

[carmine frigate]

its time coded for mine 🙂

[fringe pilot]

soundtrack for the game
rick and morty shit on the floor

[proud jay]

get schwifty you mean

[fringe pilot]

sorry im no expert

i just shit and thats i

[unreal ether]

Or that Japanese video for learning English.

The one that has them dancing while singing "I have a bad case of diarrhea"

[fringe pilot]

two girls one cup could be the starter mission

[proud jay]

ah yes the english lesson

[pearl elk]

sharter mission

[carmine frigate]

that game actually gets some downloads around Xmas time even tho its in there pretty long

most stop getting downloads after a few days

[pearl elk]

Ive got a poo emoji hat... is that a sharter cap?

[fringe pilot]

i think its becming a pretty solid game
shitty ideas from a community
maybe shitfunding it from a shitty crowd later

[unreal ether]

Kicksharter

[pearl elk]

excretion based rope, so spiderman

[sweet rose]

I think it could get sued by robertsspaceindustries

[fringe pilot]

that are some solid shit ideas for puzzles

time to get your hands dirty

but not with shit maybe

[sweet rose]

Certainly, here are a few examples of waste-based physics puzzles that could incorporate urine:

Urine Geyser: Players will have to use their urine to create a geyser that will shoot them to a higher platform or location. The player will have to carefully aim and use the right amount of urine in order to create a strong enough geyser to reach the desired location.

[quasi mantle]

Public Toilet Simulator 2024

You are the manager of a thriving public toilet business

[fringe pilot]

already a product

yeah that exists already

[quasi mantle]

Not surprising

[carmine frigate]

public toilet tycoon you mean

[pearl elk]

I think there needs to be a charge up weapon, the longer you charge the more solid the projectile

[quasi mantle]

I'm not that great with thinking 100% completely original idea that has never been attempted before, and patentable

[carmine frigate]

public toilet tycoon sounds doable and tycoon games allways sell

[sweet rose]

but if you wait too long, you have to go on a side mission to find laxatives

[quasi mantle]

All I did is copying, and copying, and giving it my own twist, which isn't 100% original

[unborn lotus]

good designers copy, great designers steal

[quasi mantle]

My project is basically Final Fantasy clone with anime writing

[proud jay]

that's why I rob banks before brainstorming

[quasi mantle]

Born out of a bad isekai anime that was popular in 2017/2018

[fringe pilot]

so ff isnt anime writing in your mind

[unborn lotus]

are you living in the US by any chance 🥁

[proud jay]

you have anime and you have anime

[proud jay]

no, too poor for that

[fringe pilot]

@sweet rose come to think of it, you should get your game puplished by Ubisoft

[quasi mantle]

Well, I'd say the more serious stories aren't that close to contemporary anime stuff

[ancient ingot]

holy fecking moderators batman, thats the biggest mod orgy ive ever seen here 😮

[sweet rose]

pooplished

[proud jay]

ubishit

[proud jay]

they got some new ones

see #announcements message

[ancient ingot]

yeah i can see, god dam... we are gonna be modded to feck now 😦

[proud jay]

no more fun allowed

only new guy I know is marco

[quasi mantle]

I hope it doesn't increase cross fire rate

[ancient ingot]

i miss Luos 😦

[proud jay]

I wonder who they put on lounge duty

[proud jay]

his pc is in the shop

[quasi mantle]

same

[ancient ingot]

well marco will be useless as he's in VR

[sweet rose]

stfu

[ancient ingot]

@proud jay ah good hopefully there isn't to much damage

[proud jay]

he is nothing without polo

[proud jay]

what is this for?

[ancient ingot]

chill winston

[sweet rose]

Marco is very helpful

[proud jay]

it's a joke you nimwit

about his name being vr_marco

[ancient ingot]

have you ever heard of this thing.. wait for it... it is called.. a JOKE

[sweet rose]

💀 my bad

[ancient ingot]

🙂 all good 🙂

[quasi mantle]

I'm very unlikely to be a moderator even if I'm on far east time zones lol

[fringe pilot]

in soviet russia ---jokes on you

[primal summit]

game idea:
CTD: The Game

[ancient ingot]

they certainly wont have me, half of lounge would be banned 😄

[proud jay]

🙃 ɐll ƃoop 🙃

[ancient ingot]

ffs dieter, dont do that, my 2 brain cells can't work it out properly! 😛

[quasi mantle]

I mean, moderator being this friendly and lounging this often and a weeb seem out of place

[fringe pilot]

just flip your monitor

[proud jay]

well you could have applied

[ancient ingot]

i almost did 😂

[proud jay]

to late to be mod now

[primal summit]

and then hold it to a mirror...

[ancient ingot]

we could murder a few, some spaces would become vacant

[fringe pilot]

just look at it from behing
do i have to do all the thinking youre making it too complicated 😄

[quasi mantle]

Nah, maybe not, my moderation is unlikely mesh together lol
And I still went off quite often

[primal summit]

brb transparentizing my display

[proud jay]

🙃 uo ʍou ɯoɹɟ dǝʇs ɹoɹɹᴉɯ ǝɥʇ noʎ ǝʌɐs ll,I

[ancient ingot]

lol

[proud jay]

thoughts on royco chicken soup?

[fringe pilot]

how to box someone through a monitor

is DSL enough or do i need glas fibre

[quasi mantle]

My moderation record is unprofessional communities, and me being antithesis of "professionalism" would not bode well

[ancient ingot]

chicken soup is nice.. dunno who royco is though 😛

[proud jay]

instant soup brand

[fringe pilot]

chicken is a curiois name for a brand

[proud jay]

same as cup-a-soup if you know that

apparently the royco name is only used in belgium lol

[quasi mantle]

Royco is a thing in my country lol

[proud jay]

for soup?

[quasi mantle]

general purpose seasoning

but you can make a soup with it

[ancient ingot]

ahh yeah cup-a-soup is what we have here

[proud jay]

different royco

[quasi mantle]

Maybe same brand

[proud jay]

royco soup is now owned by lipton

[inland oriole]

Soup is overrated 👀

[timber viper]

no u

[pearl elk]

Coup > Soup

[inland oriole]

😔

[quasi mantle]

Copium is the best and legal

[timber viper]

I see you're familiar with the term American Democracy™️

[pearl elk]

How many vbucks for copium?

[proud jay]

classic jan 6 american