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bleak remnant
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@quasi mantle have you gotten into making your text animated in your rpg?

trail wedge
bleak remnant
bleak remnant
timber viper
bleak remnant
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The best scenario would be that it does that, the text can shake (randomly) and the text can be colored

trail wedge
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but good you have a specific example of what you want

quasi mantle
trail wedge
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that just looks like a fade

honest siren
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They just sent a message from a national channel, they wanted me to interview, but they demanded a royalty fee of 2.7kโ‚บ. I guess scam

bleak remnant
quasi mantle
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Which is what Live2D/Spine excels at

timber viper
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these ones are 3d ones - they are controllable in 3d world

trail wedge
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animation timeline in the widget

bleak remnant
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There's some "examples" of vertices hiding and stuff in unity Godot has straight up support for it, but unreal....

quasi mantle
trail wedge
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change transparency of text block

bleak remnant
quasi mantle
trail wedge
bleak remnant
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It's fine though I've kinda just coped with the fact I won't get it done in unreal lol

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That's why I learned unity and godot

quasi mantle
bleak remnant
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Is that even possible in vanilla ue

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To get a parsed letter

quasi mantle
quasi mantle
bleak remnant
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It's definitely not Undertale ๐Ÿ™ƒ

quasi mantle
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Undertale did similar thing anyway lol

bleak remnant
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Ik Godot has it pretty much built in but idk about game maker

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Planning on learning that too

quasi mantle
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More power to you if you want to do it in other engine

bleak remnant
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I had to learn more after I got bullied for making Undertale in unreal

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I learned clickteam unity and godot

quasi mantle
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Undertale is not MMORPG at least

bleak remnant
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No one here

bleak remnant
cursive crypt
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We can fix that.

quasi mantle
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Then don't give a s||hit|| on them

bleak remnant
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They can't talk to me anymore

marble sparrow
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good morning

honest siren
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Good morning

marble sparrow
honest siren
pearl elk
cursive crypt
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We told her.

timber viper
honest siren
timber viper
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I'm not a business man anyway Thonk

honest siren
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Sorry bussines time

timber viper
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they dont seem like scammers

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every show asks for money for those things

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its kind of advertising

marble sparrow
marble sparrow
timber viper
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dumb girl fell asleep again Facepalm

marble sparrow
honest siren
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The problem is, they make you sign the document saying it's free, but it's paid.

timber viper
honest siren
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They say that if you don't pay the fee after the shooting, they will go to court.

marble sparrow
timber viper
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be the Einstein

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restrict your partner to gain more freedom

honest siren
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๐Ÿง 

marble sparrow
timber viper
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anya ep was quite good

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that said, i'm out of animes to watch now

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i was watching kimi cant communicate, but i dont want to binge it

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maybe i'll watch bocchi

marble sparrow
timber viper
marble sparrow
warm bloom
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oh my god I love bocchi

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wholesome ass anime

timber viper
warm bloom
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wait do you mean bocchi rock

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or hitori bocchi

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LOL

marble sparrow
timber viper
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i mean, isnt one is the anime, other one is name of the MC of the anime? ๐Ÿ˜„

timber viper
cursive crypt
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Eeeh... nostalgia, being young again. Watching anima soap operas for hours.

warm bloom
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I didn't actually watch bocchi rock

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not my cup of tea

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also

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y'all really are slacking in here

cursive crypt
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They young, is normal.

marble sparrow
warm bloom
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I am on latest of one piece

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no regrets

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just binge watched it for like two months

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and it's been part of my life for years

timber viper
warm bloom
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๐Ÿ’€

marble sparrow
timber viper
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how do you not forget the eps

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when you reach 1k

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and how come luffy is not at the age of 80

marble sparrow
timber viper
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re:zero then

warm bloom
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hmm the anime is decently straightforward

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not like there is that complicated of a plot to remember

timber viper
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all i know half of the people worship zoro other half sanji

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and i dont even know who they are

marble sparrow
timber viper
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sanji looks cool though

timber viper
warm bloom
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Zoro is the best

timber viper
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that ep was something

warm bloom
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my favorite character though is queen sama

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currently

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best song ever

warm bloom
timber viper
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more charismatic - but zoro look more sincere

warm bloom
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I really like kuzan as well

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hope to see more of him

marble sparrow
timber viper
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i didnt watch no spoilers pls cryalot

marble sparrow
timber viper
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I'm thinking about deciding on either Fullmetal Alchemist or One Piece after xmas

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and finish bocchi until then

warm bloom
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I need to finish watching gintama

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that anime is so good but I needed a break after like 200 episodes

cursive crypt
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oy, must be unboxing day

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Enough with the boxing ๐Ÿ’ธ

pearl elk
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In all honesty Im grumpy because I found out my secure password vault was stolen, so now I have to make all new passwords for everything... and I doubt I'll be using LastPass anymore

pearl elk
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I totally think multipasses should be a thing, why we only paying yearly for season/battle passes ๐Ÿ˜›

honest siren
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Rider 2022.3 interface has been renewed, it is so beautiful

slim atlas
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sorry but

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that font

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is a nogo

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this is the only font you ever need.

pearl elk
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Nah thats the font you use when youre pirating ๐Ÿ˜›

cursive crypt
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Nice gun

timber viper
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does it crash when you use it

slim atlas
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thats the gun with which you miss even if the end of the gun touches the enemy

cursive crypt
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No :/

pearl elk
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that damage stat is terrible

cursive crypt
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Must be Access Violation prolly

slim atlas
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@cursive crypt cutie

timber viper
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is that borderlands?

cursive crypt
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Yes, part 3. It is the annual xmas play of that game.

pearl elk
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well thats not terrible

slim atlas
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ok ok

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yaaaa

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that is definitly not terrible

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i love that actually

marble sparrow
cursive crypt
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mm... what?

honest siren
pearl elk
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Im glad my pointer isnt null

marble sparrow
timber viper
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too fast

honest siren
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eren loves skeletons

timber viper
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single emoji describes %70 of the conversations here

marble sparrow
timber viper
honest siren
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๐Ÿ‘€

timber viper
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Anime, Alavara, coffee

honest siren
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we have in common is coffee

timber viper
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last year i was drinking around 6 cups a day

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this year reduced to 2

pearl elk
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I dont drink caffeine much at all anymore, dont drink much processed sugar either

honest siren
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I have an explosion of energy with a glass

timber viper
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also trans oil

pearl elk
soft night
timber viper
honest siren
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then how do you become underweight?

timber viper
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its just mcdonalds fries

timber viper
honest siren
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When I see the french fries, I gain 10 kg.

timber viper
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i probably eat more than you in a day

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still no weight

soft night
pearl elk
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So thats why people look fat in oil piantings

honest siren
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I'm jealous

turbid spindleBOT
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:question: you drink batteries?
:8ball: Without a doubt.

timber viper
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if you be like me and dont do fitness you suffer a lot because sometimes i cant even carry things people able to carry with single hand

honest siren
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it is always better to be skinny

soft night
timber viper
pearl elk
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Tell that to Amazon

fleet tangle
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You mean the ||nanoweave|| ?

pearl elk
timber viper
honest siren
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4th this texture

soft night
foggy path
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Char Nyaznable?

soft night
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its CatTron

foggy path
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It's clearly Char Nyaznable from Meow Gundam

slim atlas
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its Aznabyl.

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nor Nyazable

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are you from behind the moon

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lol

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dissapoiinting

marble sparrow
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its a cat with a helmet

soft night
honest siren
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cats is aliens

pearl elk
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The galaxy is on Orions belt

honest siren
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EVIDENCE

honest siren
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Physics Profs: Physics is no exception.
Cats:

pearl elk
cursive crypt
honest siren
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Dogs are loyal, it's true.

But cats don't tell you where you hide your drugs

slim atlas
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WHAT THE F

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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

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OMG THIS IS BEYOND THE BEYOND CURSED

thick oracle
bleak remnant
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Maybe some glue aswell

bleak remnant
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Ok

pearl elk
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that hat looks delicious

marble sparrow
bronze parcel
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is there anyone familiar with nginx? lol

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currently, i'm using nginx to route port 80 to the react app running on 8080 on root domain (site.com)
i want to create a subdomain (app.site.com) and route it to another react app running on port 3000

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the dns record for app.site.com is set to the server's IP (both react apps are running on the same server)

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how do i configure nginx to do this?

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you're a god

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thanks a lot!!

marble sparrow
honest siren
deep copper
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now tell me the worst ones so i can be careful

honest siren
soft night
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some of the europe food have blood in it

honest siren
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i ate it once, i think it is delicious

soft night
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blood pancake for example

deep copper
# honest siren i guess

i think the total amount of countries is over 190, so about 100 didn't even make it to the list

deep copper
soft night
celest musk
honest siren
deep copper
deep copper
deep copper
honest siren
mossy nexus
timber viper
deep copper
timber viper
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except Greece borrowed it and called "kaimaki" again

honest siren
timber viper
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it goes well on top of the kunefe

honest siren
timber viper
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wow eating it plain would be wild

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its like drinking oil directly instead of using on foods

honest siren
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I have a friend eats plain kaymak

timber viper
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I'm already scared of their capabitilies now

honest siren
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At the same time, he also eats "ekmek arasฤฑ poฤŸaรงa"

timber viper
honest siren
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I don't know how to say in english sorry

timber viper
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you reminded me a colleague that was keep talking about food on discord instead of programming

deep copper
timber viper
honest siren
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and I'm done with this day company

soft night
deep copper
timber viper
deep copper
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leading food programmer

honest siren
deep copper
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food leading programmer ๐Ÿค”

honest siren
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maybe

timber viper
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I'm also done today Shiro_Tired wrote boilerplate stuff 7hrs straight

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yet i have to write 7hrs more to finish things

honest siren
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I will eat soon and continue learning unreal

honest siren
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I just wondered

timber viper
deep copper
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many pro artists seem to be leaving artstation to protest ai artists

pearl elk
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Where will they go is what Im wondering, wont there be AI artists everywhere

zinc matrix
pearl elk
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maybe all the programmers should leave github to protest AI code

zinc matrix
pearl elk
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Im just here laughing cuz Google are worried that generated content is going to become more prominent than search

soft night
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monsOlympus would make a mountain where allartist and programmers come

pearl elk
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Then Id push them all into the volcano muahahaha

soft night
deep copper
pearl elk
deep copper
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i am not even sure how you can tell apart some ai works that have been worked upon by an artist after it

pearl elk
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I understand the kickback, Im just not sure I understand the boycott movement

deep copper
pearl elk
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Surely they realise there is enough public domain art to train AI on without them right

deep copper
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a few artists leaving a platform would barely do anything tbh, I don't expect all to leave

pearl elk
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Even if there wasnt enough public domain art these companies training AI could easily get funding to purchase art libraries

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Another thing I dont understand is why, if youre a great concept artists, why you wouldnt use AI to speed up your workflow dramatically and become more competitive

cursive crypt
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TIL Epic creates a GCal even for the game receipt

pearl elk
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As a gamer I actually find the idea of AI generated content exciting because Im sick of being charged through the nose for some skin maker to spend time on something a computer could do

deep copper
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here's one such post i found with a simple search After so many years on Artstation, and with a heavy heart, I made the decision to leave and un-publish my portfolio. Artstation clearly doesn't support human artists, and I clearly don't want my work to be mixed in with ugly AI images and support a site that doesn't support me (actually fighting against me!). Screw you Artstation. I will stick with sites like 3DTotal and CG Society. I won't be uploading any new art here for now.

pearl elk
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The thing was with Pop Art it was easily reproducable on purpose but I always felt it was cheap but I wouldnt dare say its not art

unborn lotus
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sprinkle in "trending on artstation" and the whole work of that artist is distilled

pearl elk
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Perhaps thats the issue, if your art is so easily reproducible the issue aint with the AI its with the artist

deep copper
pearl elk
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I tried using my favourite artists name in a prompt, it spit out nothing even remotely like his work

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It could be because he's an older artist who worked for companies like Marvel so his art is well protected and largely offline

celest musk
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for once they get attention ๐Ÿ˜„

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might be the first and last time

deep copper
pearl elk
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Ive seen these art sites come and go just as I have social media, chat apps etc

celest musk
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what happened to deviantart

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why is everyone crying on artstation?

cursive crypt
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Machines are taking over the world.

pearl elk
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CGChat used to be super massive

unborn lotus
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and cghub

celest musk
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i mean, it feels like it's somewhat an artstation based protest

timber viper
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Why programmers dont rant about chatgpt?

celest musk
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because chatgpt sucks ๐Ÿ˜„

timber viper
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art generator ais also suck

cursive crypt
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Why is OpenAI, neither Open, neither AI?

deep copper
pearl elk
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I have seen some rant alittle bit about AI scraping github and updated terms which include stuff for the AI helper but I dunno. Maybe programmers are more open to autocomplete style help because its already there

celest musk
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and it wont rule out problem solving and bug fixing

timber viper
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oh god chatgpt and copilot is trained on Unreal Engine api PepeHands

celest musk
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after all you still need skilled people to get the stuff working that chatgpt spits out

unborn lotus
celest musk
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same for stackoverflow code snippets...

deep copper
timber viper
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why would anyone stop their coding journey while they can ask quick info from a well trained bot Evil_Patrick

celest musk
pearl elk
timber viper
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lol

celest musk
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they should take their stuff offline, put on an NoAI image and call it a day

unborn lotus
celest musk
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then it's up to artstation to decide if they care about those people or not

timber viper
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github repos soon be like "#NoAI"

timber viper
pearl elk
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I went to Artstation and saw all the NoAI images and all it did was make me not want to look at anyones art, AI or not

foggy path
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I'm just waiting for github AI bait repos that attempt to exploit the system to feed the AI garbage information

deep copper
deep copper
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ofc, the face is all the same

celest musk
timber viper
foggy path
cursive crypt
celest musk
deep copper
cursive crypt
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No need. They are already there.

foggy path
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Yeah honestly I can't be the only person to think about it, it must be happening already

celest musk
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have you tried making something "complex" with chatgpt?

foggy path
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If it wasn't a complete black box they could probably craft something more easily

celest musk
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it can't do that

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it's not a magic thing that gives you a working solution

celest musk
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while AI Image generators work quite well in a lot of cases

foggy path
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I asked it about TObjectIterator and it actually gave me a sort of in the right direction answer

celest musk
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sort of in the right direction ๐Ÿ˜„

foggy path
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Not the #cpp correct answer mind you but sort of in the direction that would have given a more or less working solution, maybe just not the best

deep copper
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meanwhile content writers using ai so they only proofread

celest musk
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but it doesn't spit out software

fathom wadi
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did it say it iterates objects?

cursive crypt
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Might be useful for #cpp actually. On each question, default answer is AskGPT

celest musk
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it may spit out snippets for a specific purpose

pearl elk
celest musk
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so coders rather see it as tool than as threat

foggy path
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Most AI art tools don't spit out ready to go results for stuff either

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Most/all

pearl elk
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The NoAI guys actually spammed so much they made it impossible to see human artists work too

cursive crypt
celest musk
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also one neat thing about chatgpt is...

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you can put in code, and ask "what does it do?"

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and it tries to explain it

cursive crypt
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hahaha

fathom wadi
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I think if you use a NoAI profile pic you should have your computer taken away.

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it's like religion holding the world back

deep copper
pearl elk
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Posted from a phone with dedicated AI cores

foggy path
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at the prices people pay for pfp's it was never going to be a sustainable market for anyone

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you'd have to churn that shit out in like 10 minutes

fathom wadi
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I made my own profile pic ๐Ÿ˜„

deep copper
pearl elk
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Art is expensive, dont we want it to get cheaper to make richer more expressive games?

celest musk
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i doubt it was sustainable in the first place

foggy path
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Yeah it was probably side income for some that needed it but I don't think it has gone anywhere

celest musk
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it may expand their portfolio, but thats it

foggy path
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AI art doesn't come out exactly as you want it unless you get lucky or aren't very picky about it

celest musk
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now i wonder how much people pay for a profile pic, tho

fathom wadi
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I wonder what would happen if a NoAI supporter was to get in a horrible accident that required a medical advancement that was derived from AI machine learning. Would they choose to die and say "I support the human doctor" ?

deep copper
celest musk
deep copper
celest musk
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how dare you talk to me like that

deep copper
foggy path
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Yeah that's pretty good.

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the code nowhere said anything about distance and it was able to figure that out

fathom wadi
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you know what would be kind of funny? If someone created an AI that is purely designed to argue the AI art debate with NoAI people. See how long you can get them to talk crap for ๐Ÿ˜„

pearl elk
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I couldnt even see how crappy the NoAIs peoples art was since most removed all their stuff lol

timber viper
unborn lotus
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so those pieces were top-notch

fathom wadi
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weak

pearl elk
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open for contracts ๐Ÿ˜›

fathom wadi
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Mr Bean watches silently with his new bong

deep copper
cursive crypt
foggy path
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lol

pearl elk
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Just seems odd to me, AI is hurting us lets hurt ourselves further by placing ourselves further into obscurity

deep copper
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yeah, they could've just used ai to quickly make concepts and build over that

pearl elk
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I guess they got sick of being paid with exposure ๐Ÿ˜›

foggy path
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I think the actual problem with AI stuff is that companies are effectively bypassing copyright to train their models for profit

unborn lotus
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yes that's what the protest is about

fathom wadi
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We live in the age of beliefs. Where beliefs are stronger than facts. So it's not surprise when someone thinks they are being attacked by the AI scene, they tend to go a little haywire thinking they are being made obsolete. Which just isn't true but when you believe something, and you get other weakminded people to believe it, you just created a new religion. NoAI

pearl elk
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One issue I see is not all these artists own the rights to their work, they actually have to get permission to put it up for public consumption

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@deep copper lol inkblot has all photos of furries, typical

celest musk
foggy path
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I don't think that's the same

celest musk
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i think that's exactly the same

foggy path
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Nobody systematically analyzes hundreds of thousands of artworks to get "inspired"

fathom wadi
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I see the issue being with misinformation mostly. There are solid reasons to dislike AI art but they are solvable. They say "AI steals art". Ok that's easy. Authenticate originality of your artwork. That used to be done with timestamps and forensic computer work, but now we have the blockchain which makes things a lot quicker. Art always had the law on it's side in cases of forgery. So it's not like someone can just steal art with AI then sell it without there being repercussions. But we can go one step further and authenticate all art sales through the same medium, blockchain, which can also verify authenticity and if art was used before it can be minted for sale. But I dunno. I'm just a lowly programmer whose job is being taken over by GitLab right? ;p

foggy path
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fucking blockchain

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lol

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you don't even need blockchain for this

fathom wadi
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you dont but its one avenue

celest musk
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that sounds like someone out of the NFT bullshit universe would buy and resell digital art

foggy path
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yeah it's one avenue just like using a brick with your name carved onto it for your artwork

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and yet for some reason nobody is suggesting giving away bricks with your name on it with your art

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:P

fathom wadi
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because everyone is panicking

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cant do shit if you can't control the situation

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I hope this weeds out the crap artists tho. Like me ๐Ÿ˜„

deep copper
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i recall one of the furry friends getting an artwork made for like $10, it was something "they could've drawn themselves anyway" type of stuff

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i guess animal anatomy is hard idk

fathom wadi
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ok you just took this debate to a whole new level. Now I am a believer. We need AI art to draw badger balls.

deep copper
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wth xD

soft night
fathom wadi
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this has been popping up on my youtube constantly the past few days. Is it following me?

deep copper
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just watch it, youtube thinks you will love it way too much

fathom wadi
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I don't need to watch it. I'm living it :d

unborn lotus
fathom wadi
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weren't the art critics a bit confused as to why it wasn't using anything but a screenprint?

unborn lotus
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no, it was generated, then upscaled quite a bit

fathom wadi
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I know but he printed it on a canvas with a screenprint. That could have been anyone's artwork at that point. You would think they would require physical art, not reproductions

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in fact, I might even call BS on that post as some lie to further the discussion

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you know the internet, they love to bullcrap about stuff to further an agenda

foggy path
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Would be fairly easy to verify since he names the competition

stray orbit
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I have art that was, predominantly, generated with AI hanging in a gallery right now. ๐Ÿคฃ

unborn lotus
fathom wadi
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cant read that article im afraid its paywalled

celest musk
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Youโ€™ve reached your limit of free articles. WTH NY Times

unborn lotus
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well it was a digital art competition, it had to be printed to show

fathom wadi
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ahh that makes more sense

unborn lotus
fathom wadi
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so if it was a digital art show I don't see much problem with winning it. It was made digitally. ๐Ÿ˜„

foggy path
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I would like to see an artist that is upset by this reproduce the result using AI

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And see how long it takes

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Because it will take a long time :P

deep copper
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it's like i make a game engine myself then complaint about others using ue

stray orbit
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Art is conveyance and messaging; the methods, difficult/ease of sending said message is entirely irrelevant really. Art is art, if it invokes, it doesn't matter how it was produced.

fathom wadi
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exactly

unborn lotus
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it might take a long time now and the upscaling and fine tuning, but won't it reach a point where it's almost instant, and pretty soon?

foggy path
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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

celest musk
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see, i would be pissed if that wins, too...

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AI generated or not, it's ugly

fathom wadi
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I produce my art with a capital F. Others might think it stinks, but to me it's like eating sprouts and gravy. mmmm

stray orbit
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I've done traditional art and AI art... whether its canvas and brush or an AI tool-- it's all the same. The onus is on the creator to forge the message.

foggy path
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if art becomes commodity then I guess that sucks for artists but it's basically the same at that point as fighting against alarm clocks as a person whose job is to wake people up

stray orbit
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In 7 years, it won't even be an argument/debate any more. Pretty much everyone will be using AI tools, even most of the ones who hate AI. It'll just be another standard tool available.

fathom wadi
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funny thing is I used Gitlab in beta and although it's really good at writing boilerplate code, and probably does a better job than me at it, I found myself resenting the use of it personally because I don't want to forget how to do that boilerplate code, and if AI does it all for me, I'm gonna forget. I mean, I forget now sometimes :d

deep copper
#

you can't go against it tbh, its convenience would win

celest musk
#

a lot of those digital artists also use stuff like clone tool, healing brush, etc...

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they kind of use digital helpers already

deep copper
#

that's true

stray orbit
#

Many of Photoshop's core tools are AI powered under the hood now.

fathom wadi
#

Most of human's life is AI controlled now. Ask your phone.

celest musk
#

makes sense

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my dog listens better than alexa

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which is ridiculous

deep copper
#

tbh i wish animators benefit from it
most yt animator vids focus around motivation and the dread you will only work on a few projects in your whole life

fathom wadi
#

alexa doesnt want a biscuit :p

stray orbit
#

I don't use a smartphone... but, I would be disorganized as all hell without Google Home. ๐Ÿ˜„

celest musk
fathom wadi
stray orbit
#

Pretty sure the music comes with Amazon Prime. ๐Ÿ˜„

fathom wadi
#

2d rigging is even easier I guess. I've not done it since bone rigging in Flash was introduced but it seemed pretty similar

deep copper
#

rigging ones turn out kinda meh

celest musk
#

i thought most of them use digital rigging nowadays...

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guess there aren't many artists left which do animation the oldschool way

deep copper
#

rigging doesn't works well when you change the object a ton mid animation i think, idk

celest musk
#

it does

fathom wadi
#

there are tools like Auto-rig pro for Blender that do that kind of thing but its just setup. However if you applied animation methods to the rig with AI you could probably save time on almost all automated motor functionality of bipedal and beyond.

celest musk
#

AU talked about drawn animations

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like in old cartoons, etc.

deep copper
#

this makes me wonder if we will run into problems where there's too much material to consume. it already feels like every video on yt is fighting for attention

celest musk
#

there's already too much

#

bots generating content doesn't help it, yea

deep copper
celest musk
#

yea, that sucks for me

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because i would rather see the other one being consumed by you

unborn lotus
#

and art being generated from prompts nowadays, yeah ๐Ÿ˜†

deep copper
#

art is atleast one dimensional, no time involved, a glance and done

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animation? well

celest musk
#

they work on animation tho

warm bloom
#

I feel like so many YouTube tutorials overcomplicate or poorly structure code that can be simplified or organized in a more visible understandable and explaintory manner causing people with less experience in overall concepts and previous coding experience to struggle more than benefit

deep copper
warm bloom
#

I had struggle for a bunch of years

deep copper
warm bloom
#

until I started understanding the building blocks of how I should use things like loops or array or other things to make the feature I want

celest musk
#

9/10 coding tutorials are bullshit and waste your time

warm bloom
#

a lot of beginners tend to get stuck in

honest siren
warm bloom
#

how do i use my knowledge to do this

deep copper
#

it can understand questions so well

stray orbit
#

All I watch on YouTube are Charlotte Dobre people being petty videos-- people actually learn from there? ๐Ÿคฃ

deep copper
#

if only it could code

celest musk
warm bloom
#

I feel once you get a good understanding of fundamentals of how to accomplish what you want you succeed learning new stuff and reading documentation is easy trying to visualize or understand how to bring your ideas to reality was way harder for me when I was beginning

deep copper
#

too bad programmers there are wack

warm bloom
#

here is like the analogy of how I felt when I start

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having a tool box full of tools but not knowing the right tool for the job

stray orbit
#

I have my own bad coding practices, I don't need anyone else's.

deep copper
stray orbit
#

And I come from the 80s and 90s; so y'all get outta here with that modern coding style.

warm bloom
#

one thing I dislike heavily working the JavaScript ecosystem is how overcomplicated people make stuff for no reason

#

it's so easy to just make things work and drop boilerplate

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make compats

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and write straight forward code

foggy path
#

Overcomplicated? ๐Ÿค”

warm bloom
#

yes

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like for example vite

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has configuration in their tsconfig that isn't even necessary cause they have other settings that toggle said feature

stray orbit
#

I'm the opposite of over-engineered code. if I can make it work in 5 clearly readable lines vs 1 line, I will.

foggy path
#

that seems like a fairly minor complication if it's just a line in a config file lol

stray orbit
#

Better yet, if it's a line of code I use again and again.. that shit goes in a #define macro.

warm bloom
foggy path
#

Sure

warm bloom
#

React vs Svelte

stray orbit
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C, and sometimes, C++ user. ๐Ÿ˜„

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But only C++98.

deep copper
foggy path
#

Most of the time when I see people complain about JS overcomplication it's some example where a guy used React + Redux + who knows what else to build a one page brochure website

stray orbit
#

I ain't about all those modern C++ features.

#

They useless to me.

foggy path
#

Which is like.. sure, yeah, but that's not JS's fault.. it's the devs fault lol

fathom wadi
#

I remember learning Javascript. Then being asked to make a website work on Internet Explorer and having to relearn parts of it thinking to myself "Microsoft, you really are a bunch of arse".

deep copper
#

js libraries are hell, with each following different standard

warm bloom
#

cause even companies like Facebook just do stupid shit internally with vdom and state management

foggy path
#

sounds like you're the one overcomplicating things lol

#

we're starting to use Svelte at work tho, it's nice

celest musk
#

i left JS right after XHR and only ever used 1-2 frameworks

warm bloom
#

then you have frameworks like next.js that have a bunch of vendor locking and half baked features

fathom wadi
#

do what I did. Quit web development and become a game developer. It made my life so much sweeter.

foggy path
#

but we build a very big and complicated saas thingy so using tooling like that makes sense

celest musk
#

glad i could avoid node.js and all that

deep copper
fathom wadi
#

only right now but yeah

#

once I move home Im good to go

warm bloom
foggy path
celest musk
#

i was able to do what i need with mootools ๐Ÿ˜„

foggy path
#

oldschool lol

warm bloom
#

Node is not good

foggy path
#

I remember using Mootools way back in the day

warm bloom
#

the author of node even thinks it's not good

fathom wadi
#

honestly it kind of is if you consider node.js usage globally.

warm bloom
#

so he is making Deno

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to cut down on boilerplate improve security

celest musk
#

i think it was one of the first "solid" frameworks

foggy path
#

/shrug Well Node is good enough to work in so

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THanks discord nice shrug

deep copper
#

node can do pretty much everything i think right

soft night
#

the .net is good enough too

warm bloom
#

@foggy path I agree it's good enough but honestly after working in it for so long you can't help but want more lol

fathom wadi
#

you can make it do much about anything yeah

#

write more then

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its not static

foggy path
#

And things like npm that people cry about has been pretty good compared to many package managers

warm bloom
#

I don't mind npm

#

tbh

#

it's pretty nice

celest musk
#

and it makes good news by times ๐Ÿ˜„

soft night
#

you can check techpower benchmarks

fathom wadi
#

its pretty much just the same as how linux updates right? Cant see it being so bad if its still used by the nixers

celest musk
#

didn't one NPM author pull off his package which tons of others did depend on

#

and then shit was on fire

warm bloom
#

I mean the way deno handles packages is very similar they just hide all the modules from you

warm bloom
fathom wadi
warm bloom
#

regardless of language

foggy path
#

Yep

foggy path
#

At the same time people are like "don't reinvent the wheel!".. but at the same time they're like "don't use so many packages from npm!"

foggy path
#

so which is it?

#

lol

warm bloom
#

my rule of thumb is don't use any package you can do yourself in like 50 lines

foggy path
#

Yeah something like that seems reasonable

warm bloom
#

like needed to flatten objects there's bunch of stuff on npm

#

but it's just loops lol

foggy path
#

although you can code yourself into a corner pretty effectively in 50 lines if it's a suitably complicated thing :P

warm bloom
#

recursive loops aren't that hard

celest musk
#

hard that aren't loops recursive

soft night
foggy path
#

lol

celest musk
#

no

#

that hard loops aren't recursive

#

thats threading

fathom wadi
#

Fron now on, I'm not escaping any While() loops. Just gonna leave them infinite. It's my addition to coding. Gives you a chance to go get a brew whilst the recursive loop counter is triggered to stop the exec.

foggy path
#

lol sure

warm bloom
#

you know what's really awful people who write like ugly ass code to gain 10/ops

#

at cost of readability

fathom wadi
#

yeah but how reads code

#

*who

warm bloom
#

me

fathom wadi
#

these days we just get the AI to do it. You are not obsolete :d

warm bloom
#

I read through almost all source code I use

celest musk
#

that's what comments are for....

warm bloom
#

I like understanding things

soft night
celest musk
#

if the code doesn't explain itself, write a comment

soft night
#

we are all ai

#

we are all robots

warm bloom
soft night
#

we libve in side the matrix

fathom wadi
#

I like to understand things but I also understand that reading code is a boolean. You either understand it or don't. If you don't, then just read for longer. If you do, you don't need to read for as long. I have one rule with code. Does it do the task within performance requirements? If the answer is yes, I don't care if it looks like Wurzel Gummidge tbh

warm bloom
#

the worst source code I've seen of recent is from a database called surrealdb their nodejs library was promise hell it has like 400 promises in it and it was god damn awful to read and see these like three bracket deep promise hell holes

foggy path
#

lol nice

#

And they say promises fix callback hell!

warm bloom
#

I wrote my own version of their lib

#

using a function with a promise callback

foggy path
#

I made the mistake of using a library called Asynquence back when Promises were still kinda new

#

Now our codebase has a bunch of Asynquence code when it should really just be promises

warm bloom
#

I hate reading source code cause it always makes me want to just write shit myself

#

and it ruins my productivity

#

cause so much code is just so bad

foggy path
#

lol

fathom wadi
#

I only care to know what I need at the time. The rest of it is for the savants. :d

broken sigil
foggy path
#

As long as it ain't something I have to maintain I'll just assume it works

warm bloom
#

I was gonna use a UI library

#

until I looked into a singular component file

soft night
#

blue manny generated UX

warm bloom
#

and saw like 400 lines of accessing objects for sizes and colofs

#

colors*

#

they could have atleast destructured the values they needed

#

but they simply wrote

#

like

#

styles.size.buttonXs.left

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like 400 times

#

๐Ÿ’€

fathom wadi
#

I follow this guy who makes League of Legends videos. And every day (almost) he posts a new video proclaiming "X char is the new top lane meta". It really confuses me. Who is the best meta top laner now?

warm bloom
#

no one league has dogshit balance

#

they only care about money

foggy path
#

it's either a meme or he does it for the clicks :P

warm bloom
#

and they use ai and historical data to do updates

fathom wadi
#

if the balance is crap, then someone must be the top meta due to the balance being crap

warm bloom
#

they also change both items and champions at the same time

#

which is extremely problematic

#

when they have hundreds of characters

#

it will never be balanced unless they focus solely on items or champions

foggy path
#

Everyone always knows better how to balance the games than the people working on those actual games lol

fathom wadi
#

i dont even want it to be balanced. I want meta chars. But I want to know what they are, and hopefully when they rotate

warm bloom
#

just from a realistic standpoint

#

you build certain items pools on certain champions

#

if you change both the champion and items

#

it will always skew another champion

#

they need to focus on one thing

foggy path
#

Perhaps, I don't play league but it's just something I've seen in every single online gaming thing I've been involved in

#

Players always complain and claim their preferred way of balancing would be better

warm bloom
#

I've been playing for like 7 years

#

and they used to have good balance

foggy path
#

I know only of one person who ever actually solved it... they got a job at SOE balancing Planetside 2 lol

warm bloom
#

before they changed they replaced the entirety of the items

#

it ruined years of balancing they already did

foggy path
#

(and now everyone complains about him balancing them badly)

fathom wadi
#

you need a game with 100+ champs to be unbalanced tho. Then every couple of months you rotate who is OP. If you balance it then everyone will just play the same chars. Which they kind of do already in league.

warm bloom
#

I agree some champions will always be out of rotation

#

but the game statistically looking at previous seasons has never had such a large gap in winrates

#

on the lowest and highest winrate champions

fathom wadi
#

I main with Kayle and Vanya and with both chars I have no consistency. Perhaps more with Vanya because she ramps so hard, like Kayle, at lategame, but often you dont get there.

warm bloom
#

they lost tons of their og players

#

cause they ignore the community

#

but they're backed by tencent and are focusing on other games

#

they just want money like any other capitalist triple a company

fathom wadi
#

yeah they should really focus on what it takes to keep the top 3 divs happy. They are the ones pumping the hours in mostly.

warm bloom
#

I think the opposite

fathom wadi
#

really?

warm bloom
#

they should balance it around the mid tier players within reason

#

cause higher tiers have less players

fathom wadi
#

yeah by 3 divs I meant from mid to high level

warm bloom
#

and they have been balancing around them for years

#

including eSports and pro teams

#

they do a patch before worlds each year

#

and buff specific champions

#

nerf others

#

it's really stupid

#

the majority of their player base are not pro players

#

like for example I used to be diamond

fathom wadi
#

its mid-season atm so im not playing because I like to get a rank. Plus I hate the people who play it. So two birds, one stone there :p

warm bloom
#

I think they should balance around platinum players

#

it makes the most sense

fathom wadi
#

playing top lane and support I get so much blame for games being lost. Even when its not my fault. Great game, never in doubt :/

warm bloom
#

lol when did you start playing?

#

I've been playing since like season 5

fathom wadi
#

on and off since it started, but I've less than 1000 hours

#

I go through phases with it.

warm bloom
#

I think I've probably put around 10k hours into it

fathom wadi
#

easily done. I get addicted to it real easy. I have to force myself to stop

warm bloom
#

I stopped playing league though

#

it stopped being fun

#

Im highly against games being balanced around meta

#

people should be able to play what they want to

#

and still have a chance to win

#

it's what makes it fun

fathom wadi
#

what makes it fun for me is when the team is complaining and insulting me, and I laugh and it makes them angry :p

warm bloom
#

I don't like statically knowing or just being aware people play x champions cause they have a 58% winrate or the botlane duo is doing a cheese strat from a YouTuber

#

I only play league cause of the nostalgia tbh I miss the good ol days

#

I find it hard to have fun on the game anymore

#

season 7 will forever be missed

fathom wadi
#

I play Path of Exile, since closed beta so 10 years now, with around 7500 hours in. Every 3 months I take time off work to play for a week or two. But these days I feel like I'm just doing it because I've done it for a quarter of my life. Not sure I get the same enjoyment out of it in any way. Not that the game got worse or less fun, but I feel like it's a wonderful waste of time, but I have no time to waste

warm bloom
#

yeah honestly league is like

#

an afk game to me

#

same feeling

#

wasting time

pearl elk
#

grinding for the loot

fathom wadi
#

this is why I tend to play Path of Exile for a week or two tops. I get all the loot I need in that time, then I kill the bosses I wanted to kill with a build, then I stop. But I know people who sit in a team of 6, super juicing maps to farm all the loot they can, and complain when they don't get enough. Like... there is a point where unless you are farming for RMT services, you dont need anymore.

warm bloom
#

i want payday 3 to come out

fathom wadi
#

I wanted Titanfall 3 to come out.

#

they left TF2 on a hanger like there would be a sequel, and yet nothing.

pearl elk
#

I wanted Call of Duty to stop coming out

fathom wadi
#

me too but I've had fun in Warzone 2.0 recent

warm bloom
#

the new cod is really fun honestly

pearl elk
#

2023 will be the first year without a CoD

fathom wadi
#

im not one for gun games. My penis is large enough already, but I did have fun with friends.

warm bloom
#

i think the new cod

#

has filled my cod gap

#

cause i havent bought any of the cods since i was a console gamer

#

which was like 5 years ago

#

you know what is always weird to me

#

i always look at skyboxes

#

and am amazed how ultra dynamic sky looks better than 99% of games

fathom wadi
#

remember when Halflife 2 put 3d skyboxes on the map? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

#

funny coincidence but I made the first 3d skybox app in Flash back in the day.

#

it was cubemap based obviously but still... I did it. I take claim. My legend is complete.

pearl elk
#

I just make games entirely indoors so you dont see the sky ๐Ÿ˜›

fathom wadi
#

what if the sky is inside?

celest musk
#

^^

#

reminds me of good old minecraft days, where some mod had a block that was the sky texture, so you could make indoor sky

timber viper
fathom wadi
timber viper
#

for 2015 it was pretty ๐Ÿ”ฅ

fathom wadi
#

well my xmas present of extreme acid reflux demands I leave my chair and hunt down some Rennies. So its a good time for me to duck out. Have fun all.

marble sparrow
#

i watched the game play 36 hours of walking

#

is he fat

timber viper
#

I have an interest towards decima engine

#

Yeah, after first hour there are even more impressive scenes with some god level lighting tech

marble sparrow
#

did nature shortened with us ?

timber viper
#

to be honest scene dont have much.. not sure how you call it - different objects and things require instances of different shaders etc

#

so maybe its normal?

#

you render skybox, character, and landscape

#

pretty much all the death stranding ๐Ÿ˜„

timber viper
pearl elk
#

I really liked the night time sky in Horizon Zero Dawn

timber viper
#

Can UE achieve same thing?

#

4K and amount of vegetations with low gpu load

#

:\

#

thats why I'm jealous of console engines

#

or engines ship to console well

#

why? both insomniac's engine and decima is quite well

#

decima even has blueprints at homeโ„ข๏ธ ๐Ÿ˜„

#

godot

#

its removed

#

gdscript everywhere now

timber viper
#

i want to watch blood origin today

#

but they literally marketed it like "why you should watch? two mens kissing"

white oxide
#

actually had an idea for a high end godot game but still cant find revshare devs for it

deep copper
#

don't give up!

white oxide
#

got all the mechanics figured out and everything

#

well im also battling early stage cancer, job issues and another major project so lots on my plate

deep copper
#

hey isn't that kinda serious

white oxide
#

game is an open world treasure planet inspired naval combat game

honest siren
white oxide
#

save on resources and development time by placing all 3D models on a 2D plane and its basically space variant ocean pirates game

timber viper
#

oh wait, i know this one

#

one piece?

white oxide
#

but space

#

with REAL space sail ships

#

even came up with lore for why we have SPACE you can breath in

#

and full on ships of the line

#

yes a space version of the HMS victory

white oxide
#

im just glad i have a decent community for my main project and a dev willing to finish the basic game if something happens to me

deep copper
#

that's nice i suppose

white oxide
#

my lifes work is secure at least

deep copper
#

but still, see through it

topaz depot
#

affectionateUser being affectionate

deep copper
#

they need it imo

#

give them a hug

topaz depot
#

๐Ÿซ‚

#

yes affectionateUser whatever you say affectionateUser

white oxide
#

i mean it helps that my dream project is being made, sucks that i may not see it finished

deep copper
novel storm
#

I need to vent to someone...I visited my parents for Christmas, and asked them if they had a spare microfiber cloth I could take with me to clean my monitor (one of those thin ones you get with a phone). I used it, saw a tiny bit of bubbles but didn't think anything of it.

I unfolded the cloth and realized it's an anti-fog activation cloth and I feel so dumb for not checking first. There's some etching on the monitor, just not noticeable when the monitor is on ๐Ÿ™ƒ

cursive crypt
#

df is anti fog activation cloth?

unborn lotus
#

is that a car thing?

topaz depot
white oxide
#

i still have LCD monitors

#

lol

#

these are XP era LCD's

celest musk
#

i also have some of those

#

and they are fine?!

unreal cedar
#

I believe QD-OLEDs don't have this issue as the OLED panel itself is a single color, but it's also relatively new tech. And pretty expensive atm.

#

but tbh you can get really good high refresh rate IPS panels these days, oled isn't really a must.

celest musk
#

they still burn out tho?

#

as of getting lower brightness over their lifespan

unreal cedar
#

I guess? It's over a pretty long period of time though.

#

Samsung at least claims that QD-OLED lasts waaaaaay longer than normal ones. But we don't really know yet because they haven't been out for long enough.

white oxide
#

only issue i have with LCD is the heat generation

celest musk
#

that's not LCD

cursive crypt
#

old tech aint so good in color gamuts, speed? kinda

celest musk
#

that's the old ones with CCFL backlight

#

LED backlit LCDs barely get warm

white oxide
#

these are from like 2000-2003

celest musk
#

yea, they use CCFL as background light

#

i love the warmth tho

white oxide
#

unless you have 3 computers in the same room

celest musk
#

i'm sad that my 24" with CCFL broke ๐Ÿ˜ญ

white oxide
#

and are a high warm blood

#

i generally dislike high heat

#

i prefer like 60-64 F

celest musk
#

yea, in the summer it's annoying

#

but in the winter... nothing better than looking at your "homework" and getting some warmth from it

cursive crypt
#

qd is just a film over

#

Don't think there is a reason to be much worse than the others

unreal cedar
#

It's better as a result, not worse

#

I agree, but we'll see

sweet rose
#

guys

#

what is this called

cursive crypt
#

*girls

sweet rose
mossy nexus
#

a picture?

cursive crypt
#

nah, its jpg

sweet rose
#

that joke was never funny

cursive crypt
sweet rose
#

stanchion rope, got it

cursive crypt
#

No problem

sweet rose
cursive crypt
#

At least to that Google it person?!

cursive crypt
#

See? Even that young person got offended.

marble sparrow
#

i am 15

#
  • 10
cursive crypt
#

I was not off by much then ๐Ÿค”

warm bloom
#

oh my god

cursive crypt
#

Getting older and you start to notice the difference even by chat.
Never knew this feat comes with age.

cursive crypt
sweet rose
cursive crypt
#

So... there is at least one person using it.

marble sparrow
#

@timber viper ladyboy ???!!!

honest siren
marble sparrow
honest siren
marble sparrow
honest siren
#

oh sorry, i thought it was real eren

timber viper
timber viper
#

Hated that character

honest siren
#

sorry bro

cursive crypt
#

tc tc tc, this is 13+, keep innuendos down

white oxide
#

wasup peeps

tulip orbit
#

I'm tired. just wanna sleep. probably mostly boredom...

white oxide
#

the why the hell you aint asleep?

tulip orbit
#

slept most of the day

white oxide
#

then get your lazy butt out of bed

tulip orbit
#

I am out of bed. but now I'm bored

#

was playing dwarf fortress, but so lost on what to do

#

looking at steam sales

white oxide
#

you can apply for my 0.0.1a playtest

#

we just got a WAY WAY better graphics set for .1b

#

it would take me a week to download death stranding

#

not that, i just have dogshit internet

#

remember that marvelous thing called DIALUP

tulip orbit
#

saw an article headline that death stranding "broke the epic servers"

white oxide
#

what i have is MARGINALLY better

#

300kb/s down at max

#

45kb/s up

#

bytes

#

๐Ÿ™‚

#

steam generates hilarious numbers

#

because the speed is 100% not consistent

#

oh i know

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why we dont use java on my official sites and never will

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also our one project with multiplayer aspects is bending over backwards to support shit network speeds

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fun fact, the online game with the lowest accepted internet speed (that i have found) is GTAV

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which can let you play online in solo maps at 15kb/s

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well wow has been updated since

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tbh i cant wait for my ISP to finish connecting the new fiber lines going in front of my house

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i pay as much as their tier 2 500mb/s internet and get .3mb/s

zinc wagon
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Lol are you my neighbor or something ๐Ÿ™ƒ

tulip orbit
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ha ha, I laugh at you internet peasants ๐Ÿ˜„

white oxide
quaint basalt
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Any ballparks for a poly budget when targeting Switch release?

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A quirk search and people are mentioning 40k for a character

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500k-1M for low end computers?

tulip orbit
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Anything more than 3 polys is a waste

quaint basalt
tulip orbit
bleak remnant
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What web development language should I learn?