Need the 4d version. Not only is it in 3d, they constantly spray you with a hose.
#lounge
fleet tangle
soft night
xr maybe the thing for future
quasi mantle
Need the 4d version. Not only is it in 3d, they constantly spray you with a hose...
Surely that's a thing on science theaters 
That'll make things much more immersive
soft night
imax 3d experience
quasi mantle
imax 3d experience
Hush, you scare the filmmakers away with the giant cameras
fleet tangle
What they want is to show this in a swimming pool.
quasi mantle
IMAX equipment are humongous and expensive
fleet tangle
It's a swimming pool, I'm not sure people are gonna notice it's not in 3d.
soft night
yyeah we all need to watch new avatar on swimming poool
pearl elk
IMAX equipment are humongous and expensive
Smaller than a 4090 tho ๐
pearl elk
cursive crypt
They wish
quasi mantle
Reminds me of those wacky hoax about pregnancy risk from someone pleasing himself in the pool
unborn lotus
Wasn't that a Chuck Palahniuk story
soft night
I just released the poll on twitter of avatar way of water teh movie experience 2d or 3d and 3d got lots of votes
lyric pulsar
how to find first few websites who mention a word for the first time?
thin aspen
Or the third way
lyric pulsar
so its impossible? oO
lyric pulsar
https://tenor.com/view/swimming-swim-huge-shark-ocean-open-water-gif-12124039
meg sat on the toilet, and then she pooped. end.
unborn lotus
how to find first few websites who mention a word for the first time?
I think you can look the word up in an online dictionary
If the word was first used on the web
lyric pulsar
I think you can look the word up in an online dictionary
... its not a dictionary word
unborn lotus
All words are dictionary words
lyric pulsar
like "the meg"
or "unreal engine 4"
i wnna know which sites are the first ones to use these words
unborn lotus
Something like google trends?
hollow dawn
even the first website, only used it because a human already used it
fleet tangle
Unless you're talking to chatgpt
hollow dawn
is that a blueprint?
proud jay
why do you need to know this lol
hollow dawn
knowledge is POWER
soft night
hollow dawn
like the ancients said, the keyboard is stronger than the sword
but ya... top floor has a pretty view, but shitty insulation, are there heated keyboards?
damn, i love japan, heated keyboards, heated toiletts, they know their wamth!
unborn lotus
Just turn the case around to blow hot gpu air over your hands
cursive crypt
My legs are always warm. The PC case is under the table.
hollow dawn
laptop with attached keyboard here -.-
unborn lotus
I don't have a 4090 so I suffer in the cold
hollow dawn
should maybe just put the thing on my legs and play star citizen in high quality
cursive crypt
Laptops also can warm you. Your lap.
hollow dawn
bah 2070 here, that thing gets 100C
unborn lotus
Laptops also can warm you. Your lap.
And bye bye kids
hollow dawn
secondary cooling vents are actually out of the keyboard
kids... what have kids ever done for you
cursive crypt
And bye bye kids
Choose one.
unborn lotus
I'd probably get a heated blanket and put it in front of the laptop
Get a dog or cat so it can warm up your lap
hollow dawn
last night i wore two hoodies and an ushanka hat while doodeling around...
unborn lotus
Get a standing desk and the extra movement will warm you up
hollow dawn
pets! yes! i already envy my mates with their many peets... just get some velcro strips and you can attach them everywhere you need
movement doesnt help, tried, cant do that many pushups, was ok until it dropped below freezing
i guess ill get a couple of otters and tell the gas company to piss off
look at them awwww
are heating otters tax deductable?
thick oracle
awwwww
ancient ingot
Aww that's cute
near panther
They prefer desktop yeah, but then I want to make sure if it's the right choice given that all in remote working
proud jay
well yeah that can be a problem
but they could either remote into the machine or work on their personal machines if they wanted
last job just had desktops
but we didn't work from home
deep copper
did he just trip over nothing xD
proud jay
now we just have laptops
but we connect to VDI's so we don't really do development on the laptop itself
it's definitely the nicer solution of the 2 I think
but also most cumbersome to set up
and more expensive on small scale
what does it even mean now?
cursive crypt
Random nerd fact
proud jay
definitely one of my childhood crushes
cursive crypt
definitely one of my childhood crushes
Isn't she a bit old for you?
fleet tangle
They prefer desktop yeah, but then I want to make sure if it's the right choice ...
If you want to be really OTT, you could buy laptops that have external monitors, mice and keyboards. Then they could be both desktop and portable solutions. Like those docking station things that company does.
ancient ingot
@sand oxide ๐น
celest musk
i prefer those meg's
fleet tangle
Random nerd fact
Another random nerd fact, a nibble is 4 bits. Half of a "byte".
ancient ingot
๐ค
cursive crypt
Comes from nibbing
fleet tangle
Comes from nibble and bite...
cursive crypt
Creative.
ancient ingot
too many nybbles make a byte ๐
fleet tangle
Or, rather, two nybbles make a byte!
deep copper
Or, rather, two nybbles make a byte!
think of how many nybbles our messages transfer
thin aspen
True Life: I'm addicted to hot reloading
deep copper
```True Life: I'm addicted to hot reloading```
and i am addicted to you
dire egret
slim atlas
i am still looking for more people who played masseffect ๐ฆ
i need more opinions!!!!
slim atlas
i am on the reddit
i already grabbed people there
the post sadly got burried after 1600 views
cursive crypt
i need more opinions!!!!
Yes? ๐ฐ
slim atlas
i dont know where i else i could look
cursive crypt
Which subs at reddit? UE, masseffect, gaming
fleet tangle
i am still looking for more people who played masseffect ๐ฆ
Which ones? All of them?
And what is the question?
fleet tangle
Though, unless it's "is the mako the best gameplay ever?" then it doesn't matter.
deep copper
i need more opinions!!!!
but why?
inland oriole
@deep copper quick, apply for moderator. Then you can hug people without them being able to do anything about it ๐
deep copper
<@926083750276780073> quick, apply for moderator. Then you can hug people withou...
i don't use ue and i might have to work then ๐ญ
slim atlas
i need more opinions so that the results are more accurate
deep copper
i like being a lazy freeloader
inland oriole
Opinion on what?
deep copper
i need more opinions so that the results are more accurate
but why mass effect?
deep copper
why not , ff? that has many parts
slim atlas
stop asking me to break my nda
deep copper
ah okay
inland oriole
Just act like you don't know what a NDA is in court. #NotLegalAdvice
deep copper
i actually didn't a few months ago, this server let me know
discord is a great place for learning
inland oriole
and for getting scammed.
slim atlas
CLICK MY LINK
deep copper
~~and for getting scammed.~~
and hugging
slim atlas
ITS NOT A SCAM
soft night
NMD-01
slim atlas
I PROMISE
inland oriole
unborn lotus
sounds like what a scammer would say
fleet tangle
I PROMISE
You haven't actually asked what you want an opinion on, other than "mass effect". Did you want a quick response to how we liked the entire series of games ?
inland oriole
sounds like what a scammer would say
This is also what a scammer would say.
unborn lotus
๐ค๐ค๐ค
cursive crypt
pearl elk
Bread Effect
slim atlas
You haven't actually asked what you want an opinion on, other than "mass effect"...
no i have a google form
do you want to fill it out?
fleet tangle
Is it more than one page?
deep copper
Bread Effect
the next part might be Sliced Bread Effect
slim atlas
its more then one page.
deep copper
that's huge
fleet tangle
its more then one page.
Then you and your questionnaire are wrong and should die.
fleet tangle
(Well, the questionnaire at least)
pearl elk
Stroke of genius
unborn lotus
that's huge
It's one page too many
fleet tangle
Stroke of genius
Isaac Newton's private time.
deep copper
INPT for short, and that actually sounds like an acronym
fleet tangle
what even was that sentence
Fixed it.
slim atlas
i will stop bothering you people.
deep copper
why not visit a gaming server?
that should have a lot of players
(if you haven't already)
fleet tangle
I don't know why you need a really long mass effect questionnaire.
If you were more focused, you'd get far more results.
slim atlas
a gaming server?
deep copper
maybe some analysts need it
deep copper
a gaming server?
yes, with more gamers who only game, and not dev
maybe visit one made for mass effect
though their answers might be baised
fleet tangle
Definitely.
deep copper
as they are a group, so similar answers
slim atlas
ok i joined a mass effect server
deep copper
good job agent
slim atlas
but i will have to leave this server
fleet tangle
Why are you doing this poll? Also polls are generally single questions.
deep copper
oh no
slim atlas
byeeeeeeeee
unreal ether
I must admit a mass effect questionnaire is odd
deep copper
I must admit a mass effect questionnaire is odd
it's for the masses
deep copper
was it a bad server?
unreal ether
You're a loud ghost
fleet tangle
Poltergeist.
deep copper
ask chat gpt to fill it
fleet tangle
(the literal meaning of poltergeist is noisy ghost)
deep copper
uhm
does it have any other meaning?
the wording makes it feel like i missed something
fleet tangle
Why?
slim atlas
unreal ether
Rude
fleet tangle
Not hard enough.
unreal ether
Also a mean ghost apparently
primal summit
That's perfect!
fleet tangle
ah okay it's a film
What's a film?
deep copper
What's a film?
Poltergeist is a 1982 American supernatural horror film directed by Tobe
fleet tangle
Poltergeist is a German word.
deep copper
wiki says it
deep copper
Poltergeist is a German word.
no wonder it's long
German for "rumbling ghost" or "noisy spirit") is a type of ghost or spirit that is responsible for physical disturbances, such as loud noises and objects being moved or destroyed. Most claims or fictional descriptions of poltergeists show them as being capable of pinching, biting, hitting, and tripping people. They are also depicted as capable of the movement or levitation of objects such as furniture and cutlery, or noises such as knocking on doors. Foul smells are also associated with poltergeist occurrences, as well as spontaneous fires and different electrical issues such as flickering lights
that's terrifying
fleet tangle
Pretty sure the word was around well before 1982...
deep copper
whoever thought this up needed to stay quiet
fleet tangle
The English word ghost is also related; it descends from the same ancient root that led to "Geist." Although "ghost" has been used in English since before the 12th century, "poltergeist" is a relative newcomer, first appearing as an English word in the middle of the 19th century.
Like over 100 years before Tobe.
pearl elk
Great movie, Steven Spielberg wrote that one
unborn lotus
i hope it can protect me from poltergeist !
you should watch a few horror movies before sleeping if you want to sleep like a baby
deep copper
you should watch a few horror movies before sleeping if you want to sleep like a...
i am certain that won't work
unborn lotus
I mean wake up crying every hour ๐
pearl elk
I mean wake up crying every hour ๐
Thats what happens anyways, lack of hugs
Perfect horror movie is everyone in lounge denying hugs ๐
deep copper
Perfect horror movie is everyone in lounge denying hugs ๐
pretty much the reality
torn zenith
hollow dawn
"poltergeist" is documeted since the 16th century according to google
and there arent documents before that time in germany because thats around when everybody from near and far thought it would be funny to kill each other in that area... and bunfires are always nice to watch...
well, some documents exist from before that time... but ya... lots got lost
its like elves... or kung fu.... or whatever...
just because tolkien only wrote LOTR in the early 20th century and bruce lee only made kung fu movies in the 70s, or john capenter only came up with the movie title "poltergeist" around the same time, doesnt mean those words didnt exist before.
like elf appearantly comes from alb, some proto germanic daemons that suffocate you in our sleep... kung fu is just chinese for hard work or somin, and poltergeist is simply an invisible being that makes noise... most likely wind... but people are bored so they make up shit... call it an ancient meme "yo Gertrude, did you hear that noise?" "no" "it was probably a polternder Geist! BOOO" "AHHH, no Siegfried, help, protect me my knight, hihi"
seeing how fucking cold europe is suddenly i tend to presume that its a unicultural habit that automaticially developes as an instigator for hugging, to keep warm... like penguins do it
"did you see that icebear?" "no" "its an invisible polternder eisbaer!" "omg" "lemme hug you for protection" "yes please"
pearl elk
we got a word for this... zeitgeist
deep copper
the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time. "the story captured the zeitgeist of the late 1960s"
pearl elk
"the anime display picture really captured the zeitgeist of the late 2000s"
deep copper
https://tenor.com/view/cuddle-group-group-hug-friends-penguin-gif-13295520
that's so adorable
fleet tangle
I wonder what the zeit part translates as.
pearl elk
time, spirit of the time
fleet tangle
I feel that last arrow is a little superfluous.
deep copper
Z becomes smaller
pearl elk
time spirit seems like it could mean something else, like an extra dimensional being
pearl elk
there was one British TV show I remember, there were aliens which would phase into our dimension from theirs
deep copper
o, how spooky
fleet tangle
there was one British TV show I remember, there were aliens which would phase in...
So I'm hearing Dr Who
pearl elk
Invasion: Earth I think and odd, did Wikipedia die
fleet tangle
I don't remember that at all.
deep copper
it died right after i searched poltergeist ๐จ
unborn lotus
your pc is haunted now, good luck
pearl elk
it was my fault, I clicked on the article with the royals
fleet tangle
He's already had some top tier hugs.
pearl elk
I wonder if royal huggers are a thing
fleet tangle
I often wonder what it's like to live as a royal in England.
Whether they have any concept of a private life or family time.
deep copper
maybe not, one dude left the royals right? it probably had some restrictions
because i don't see why you would leave
fleet tangle
That was well into his adult life, though.
pearl elk
That gif is so on point
deep copper
don't tell me... that's the dude?
fleet tangle
Yes.
pearl elk
thats Prince Harry, yes lol man
fleet tangle
Probably because he got so much shit over Meghan.
deep copper
what xD
pearl elk
thats why you need hugs, youre still cold from being frozen in ice all this time
deep copper
ah , well it's not my fault he isn't that memorable xDD
fleet tangle
I think it's just you who doesn't know who he is.
There are tribes as yet undiscovered by science that know who Prince Harry is.
deep copper
considering the queen's lifespan I don't doubt it
pearl elk
she was still alive when you were frozen in time aye
pearl elk
ah , well it's not my fault he isn't that memorable xDD
In all honesty Im less disturbed by the fact you dont know who Prince Harry is than that you didnt know Charles Dickens A Christmas Carol
deep copper
In all honesty Im less disturbed by the fact you dont know who Prince Harry is t...
Well yeah prince harry is just some random dude now right
not a royal
fleet tangle
So a friend just told me, Winnie the Pooh is now public domain and somebody is making a Winnie the Pooh horror film called Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey.
That sounds terrifying.
pearl elk
Well yeah prince harry is just some random dude now right
same with Will Smith
deep copper
same with Will Smith
but he is actor that slaps people, you gotta know him to be wary
fleet tangle
I didn't even know the shit he did until my friend told me about it the other day on Discord.
deep copper
besides, how many gifs of will smith vs prince harry or even Christmas carol do you think i have seen?
fleet tangle
Where are you from?
pearl elk
your education is solely from gifs?
deep copper
your education is solely from gifs?
my memory IS practically lol, price harry came and went away, no way i would recognise him again
pearl elk
deep copper
i recognise the queen because of how frequently you see her online everywhere, but i really don't see any other royal online
fleet tangle
You know, the best candidates for aliens are people who either know only pop culture references or know no pop culture references. And considering you life to hug people - are you a xenomorph baby?
pearl elk
maybe the hugs is the way the aliens are mapping our dna
deep copper
i did know he left the royals though!!! i know the story
give me some points for that
fleet tangle
Another prince telling a story about how his life got flipped, turned upside down.
deep copper
movies are quite some commitment of time, i rather prefer not watching anything xD so i am cut off from series or movies, specially western
pearl elk
yes because lounge is such a brilliant allocation of resources ๐
fleet tangle
He has some good taste. I'm glad he has The Big Lebowski. It really ties the list together.
deep copper
yes because lounge is such a brilliant allocation of resources ๐
yes, it has you!
pearl elk
yeah its a pretty decent list, couple of my favs on there
Rollerball is one I can always watch
deep copper
i will keep that list stored somewhere, for now
primal summit
@deep copper https://m.xkcd.com/2621/
pearl elk
Now Im wondering if we start talking about K-Pop if affectionateUser will know them all
Quick name the actor who played the green power ranger
primal summit
that's a trick question: dubbed American or original?
pearl elk
You must know alot we dont, surely you spend this time on something
deep copper
hugging people, yes
pearl elk
can you weave or sow?
deep copper
nope
pearl elk
oh I know, youre a fisher
deep copper
i hope dieter doesn't add it to my notes
deep copper
oh I know, youre a fisher
i can't even swim
pearl elk
Why doesnt that surprise me
deep copper
either way- enough about this! let's talk about how your wiki went down and why you are suddenly looking at royals
pearl elk
Slow news night, apparently Azealia Banks hates Australia
(I had to look her up too lol)
lyric pulsar
https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-daniel-radcliffe-look-up-stare-hogwarts-gif-...
so handsome
unborn lotus
stray orbit
So a friend just told me, Winnie the Pooh is now public domain and somebody is m...
Little known thing... in Canada, Mickey Mouse is public domain. Our copyright laws aren't as long as the US's... but, it's the original Mickey Mouse, not the modern one. ๐ I've considered it... very very deeply. James Bond is also public domain in Canada.
celest musk
which is the "original" one?
stray orbit
The Steamboat Willy Mickey Mouse.
fleet tangle
It was hilarious when they tried to extend the copyright law so they could keep ownership of it after so long.
stray orbit
When the whole TPP deal thing was going on, Canada refused to sign on because Disney demanded copyright be extended by 75 years. So, when Trump pulled America out of that deal, the copyright demands got pulled out too... and Canada signed back on. Canada takes its copyright and public domain pretty seriously.
fleet tangle
Good for you guys!
hollow dawn
... sry bit late... regarding "Zeitgeist"
just like in english, the german word for "spirit", "Geist", has a bunch of meanings, from alcoholic beverages, over god, to the mind of people, to ghosts, really quite like the english word,
in the context of Zeitgeist, it usually refers to the feeling or the spirit of a time, an era, and its people, how the people were up and on about during a certain time about certain things
so lets say the 20th century, the zeitgeist for each decade would have been like:
0-10 romanticism
10-20 war
20-30 party
30-40 work
40-50 war
50-60 work
60-70 freedom
70-80 party
80-90 bling
90-00 colorful splish splash
00-10 digital evolution
10-20 meme culture
differs a bit locally of course
celest musk
and differs a lot by age groups...
hollow dawn
no, in the 90s everyone was into colors, 256 and counting
like a throwback to the 8th century or somin
or kindergarten
cause back in the day, germans kept their children in the garden, on a leash, to pluck potatos and turnips
winter coral
Isn't "Inside Unreal: Year in Review 2022" supposed to be happening like right now? I'm not seeing any stream up
celest musk
cause back in the day, germans kept their children in the garden, on a leash, to...
they still do
hollow dawn
fences, walls..
terse wasp
Isn't "Inside Unreal: Year in Review 2022" supposed to be happening like right n...
https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/inside-unreal-year-in-review-2022/728390
Like 2 more minutes
celest musk
and the garden got bigger
hollow dawn
cheap potato chips + vr headset + treadmill => free tesla fuel
but they dont teach that to young mothers, they still need to learn that on youtube
fleet tangle
Is WunderTim on it?
terse wasp
For a cynic? Nah.
celest musk
is there any point in watching any epic yt stream lately? ๐
terse wasp
I expect questions about Verse though
celest musk
i feel like it went down the hill since victor left
hollow dawn
do you already know how to build a canoe or hunt a chicken?
if not, then youtube it is
terse wasp
It is kind of neat that Tim does join in on these though.
Yeah...I think she is trying a bit too hard ๐
hollow dawn
are you a very large chicken egg?
terse wasp
HE IS MUTED
hollow dawn
and do i get cookies for solving riddles?
i uh, do have a mic, why do you scream in caps :O shiver
terse wasp
Honestly - the past two years has been a big focus on Nanite and Lumen stuff. As well as non-gamedev things. But honestly - it is a pretty missable event.
I really don't like how they aren't also streaming to Youtube though. I'd prefer not to be on Twitch.
stray orbit
What do you have against Twitch? ๐
terse wasp
Get outta here Lilly!
terse wasp
UE in review 2022
stray orbit
Ahhh, all the good things except Verse then, huh?
terse wasp
Verse is uhhh - divided 'round these parts spits in can
fluid bloom
verse looks interesting at least ๐
fluid bloom
I mean look at it
terse wasp
We'll find out next month
fluid bloom
have you read some slides from some verse presentation?
stray orbit
Is your bugs broken??
terse wasp
Discord has been crap today with sharing gifs from tenor
stray orbit
You've been de-Bugs'd.
Well, you know... you can always do the roos.
I should sleep, I haven't done so in 24 hours.
celest musk
tim associated unreal with meta verse ๐ญ
getting verse as scripting language, they are planning something...
fluid bloom
@celest musk read the slides from here https://simon.peytonjones.org/verse-calculus/
second page of the slides
oh wait I might have misunderstood what you meant, nevermind ๐
have a good read if you haven't seen the slides
terse wasp
tim associated unreal with meta verse ๐ญ
He's been doing that for years at this point ๐
celest musk
oh
ok, the 2nd page reads kind of sane
so rather than trying to pull of their own metaverse "counter part" they advert verse and try to pull other engines into the boat... (which is probably not bad)
terse wasp
Well - I guess he just defined his vision for the metaverse
celest musk
yea, but we all know it gonna be censored, too
just like chatgpt
@deep copper will you do it?
terse wasp
No Q&A this time 'round? Interesting
celest musk
ngl, the sweaters they had are cool
and if they hadn't written down the names i wouldn't have recognized Amanda Schade
terse wasp
Yeah
celest musk
lmao ๐
bronze axle
I missed a good chunk of the stream, but I saw their fancy new live studio setup. Looks great.
celest musk
all the fortnite kids in twitch chat waited for it, and then tim was like "we wanted to show it, but it doesnt work right now" xDD
terse wasp
But the big thing, for us, is actually seeing Verse language
winter coral
No Q&A this time 'round? Interesting
Weird indeed, if they didn't plan on doing Q&A, they could just as well have a pre-recorded stream with Verse actually working
celest musk
they already use verse in Fortnite editor?
realityscan is out of closed beta, that's the only useful information i could get out of this ๐ญ
terse wasp
they already use verse in Fortnite editor?
Yes. UEFN will be shipped with Verse language.
bronze axle
Verse is coming to Fortnite long before it comes to UE.
solid aurora
honestly aside from creative 2.0
there was nothing interesting
oh wait
they didn't showed it
;d
celest musk
this wasn't meant to be interesting
bronze axle
Don't go into Year in Review streams expecting announcements or reveals.
celest musk
you never fail to make us proud of you
fervent wagon
Don't go into Year in Review streams expecting announcements or reveals.
I mean, they announced it: https://twitter.com/FNCreate/status/1603122079489990659
Twitter
terse wasp
Oh - we got a closer look alright ๐
terse wasp
It brokeded
deep copper
<@926083750276780073> will you do it?
if i could
bronze axle
I mean, they announced it: https://twitter.com/FNCreate/status/16031220794899906...
I stand corrected in this case, but it's still a good general rule of thumb.
celest musk
if i could
learn it
bronze axle
Now I know why there were 15K people watching that stream.
timber viper
- No UEFN nor Verse scripting due to technical difficulties were shown
- we know UEFN was delayed due technical difficulties
- we know 2023 January is NOT a stable date of UEFN release.
celest musk
I'd rather keep spamming you
no responses until you start
bronze axle
Most of the chat was protesting old UT games going offline.
deep copper
no responses until you start
i can't learn that, come on
terse wasp
Most of the chat was protesting old UT games going offline.
You actually read the chat? ๐
celest musk
Most of the chat was protesting old UT games going offline.
that was the last 10 players and alt accounts
i played UT a year ago, and i can tell you, it was always the same players ๐
bronze axle
You actually read the chat? ๐
I looked at it when I arrived, then promptly ignored it.
timber viper
You actually read the chat? ๐
streamers be like:
bronze axle
2023 will be an exciting year regardless.
terse wasp
It's Twitch. Always safe to ignore.
timber viper
2023 will be an exciting year regardless.
because one punch man s3 will be aired ๐ฅณ
also re:zero s3
bronze axle
Neat.
celest musk
ark2, cyberpunk phantom thingy
bronze axle
I have things planned for Slackers as well.
timber viper
probably late 2023
bronze axle
And I'm shipping my first horror game next year, too.
celest musk
And I'm shipping my first horror game next year, too.
is it also horror themed?
bronze axle
is it also horror themed?
Wait what?
timber viper
i dont think animes get delayed that much, but because of the twitter catastrophe most animes got delayed
but OPM is being developed by a rich studio so probably not
bronze axle
Is my horror game horror-themed? 
celest musk
nvm me, now it's not funny anymore (or it never was)
bronze axle
https://tenor.com/bKnKq.gif
The server is going to change a bit, and the new website will finally launch.
timber viper
most studios hire from twitter
and people they could hire moved to other platforms etc
terse wasp
And I'm shipping my first horror game next year, too.
I, too, am planning on releasing my game next year ๐
bronze axle
I, too, am planning on releasing my game next year ๐
Nice! Exciting. ๐
Be sure to share it here when you do.
Sharing category is getting a well-deserved overhaul.
topaz depot
do you pronounce the p in pfist
fleet tangle
Do you even pronounce it?
topaz depot
then how do you pronounce the word
fleet tangle
I imagine it like pfizer.
deep copper
it's possible
fleet tangle
With a bit of extra phhhhhtttttthhhhh ing at the start
topaz depot
a bit of what ๐
fleet tangle
Exactly.
topaz depot
Would you like a hug?
deep copper
say pist, but blow harder maybe
primal summit
I'd pronounce it with a sharp F, not a usual soft F
thin aspen
FFFist
deep copper
what an unreal name
fleet tangle
FName (pFName ?!)
topaz depot
๐ฑ
deep copper
me neither
topaz depot
you use Blueprints like a boss?
thin aspen
i use arch btw
deep copper
i don't use ue xD
topaz depot
you do
deep copper
where?!
topaz depot
in my house
deep copper
can you be ue?
topaz depot
affectionateUser, unfortunately unlike you I can't be a software, I'm a human being.
affectionateUnreal
thick oracle
actually, ue sucks sometimes
topaz depot
actually, ue sucks sometimes
really? can't be real
unreal ether
that has got to be the darn cutest thing i've ever seen
thick oracle
actually, ue sucks sometimes
thats why i'm making my own engine
if im using something that sucks, i'm gonna go all the way.
topaz depot
Good luck to you my friend
thick oracle
compiling shaders is suprisingly fast if you dont have to do it 12000 times
topaz depot
as long as you don't wait for compiling shaders
Why does it compile only 10 shaders at a time instead of just all of them at once...
thin aspen
What about a dodecahedron?
topaz depot
I'm not even gonna ask what that is
deep copper
Why does it compile only 10 shaders at a time instead of just all of them at onc...
why does it compile at all instead of not ...
topaz depot
true
celest musk
that has got to be the darn cutest thing i've ever seen
wait till we meet :>
topaz depot
who needs to compile? only cpp users...
thick oracle
why does unreal even compile soooooo many shaders?
thin aspen
A tetrahedron just with 8 more faces
topaz depot
why aren't the shaders compiled in the first place?
topaz depot
A tetrahedron just with 8 more faces
oh, no thanks :)
celest musk
why aren't the shaders compiled in the first place?
because epic got tired of shader compiling, too
so they let it up to us
topaz depot
damn
deep copper
but that doesnt excuse compiling 100 shaders for a single material
it got fat because it didn't excercise, so it compiles as an excercise
thick oracle
it got fat because it didn't excercise, so it compiles as an excercise
ah that explains a lot
celest musk
and it probably depends on the rendering features you use in your project, so either you have a bloated installer with precompiled base shaders for each scenario, or you just let them compile on demand...
topaz depot
we need to form a rival company called legendary games and launch Real Engine, the first engine that has the shaders compiled in advance
thick oracle
ah that explains a lot
thats probably also the reason for the C++ compile t imes
thick oracle
we need to form a rival company called legendary games and launch Real Engine, t...
i dont think that would work
topaz depot
why not?
thick oracle
because then you could not modify the shaders
topaz depot
let's make it so you can modify the shaders
thick oracle
let's make it so you can modify the shaders
then you'll need to compile them to shader code
topaz depot
and they'll always be compiled
deep copper
make the shaders as that thing, instance and we good to go ig
topaz depot
make a shader that doesn't require to compile
deep copper
RealEngine is going to be quick and also slow but in different aspects compared to ue
topaz depot
exactly
thick oracle
RealEngine is going to be quick and also slow but in different aspects compared ...
thats literally the engine im making right now
topaz depot
and it'll use aU's AI capabilities to enhance the shader so it won't needed to be compiled and lower the size needed on your computer since aU will automatically upscale everything
thick oracle
and it'll use aU's AI capabilities to enhance the shader so it won't needed to b...
then it wont be compiled but AI'd
thats just moving the issue
primal summit
pro tip: you don't need to compile shaders if you write them at a low enough level
topaz depot
plus make a library in the Cloud except this time it won't be on a cloud (sometimes there are no clouds in the sky) and instead it's on the Ozone layer, that way every time you upload something to it it will also fill the hole of the Ozone
thick oracle
pro tip: you don't need to compile shaders if you write them at a low enough lev...
wont they only run on your gpu then though?
mossy nexus
pro tip: you don't need to compile shaders if you write them at a low enough lev...
what.. like subscript? ๐
topaz depot
thats just moving the issue
why is that an issue
primal summit
plus make a library in the Cloud except this time it won't be on a cloud (someti...
or displace the ozone layer
primal summit
what.. like subscript? ๐
I approve
topaz depot
true true
deep copper
how does blender's eevee do it? it barely compiles , instanced stuff? precompiled stuff just for your machine?
primal summit
wont they only run on your gpu then though?
eh
fleet tangle
And now the earth has become a gas gia... star... black hole.
thick oracle
how does blender's eevee do it? it barely compiles , instanced stuff? precompile...
i heard it does still compile stuff, unreal just seems to compile a lot
thick oracle
And now the earth has become a gas gia... star... black hole.
screw you, performance of C++!
topaz depot
is Unreal engine made with machine language? if not RealEngine would be more optimized
celest musk
blender does it in the background?!
deep copper
blender does it in the background?!
you can still preview and it's super quick
maybe because bare minit features
minimum*
topaz depot
yeah unlike cycles
I wonder how they achieved it
thick oracle
apparently ue just decides to compile all the shaders
and thats why it takes so long
bronze axle
do you pronounce the p in pfist
Yes. It sounds like p-fist.
thick oracle
maybe just p. fist
fleet tangle
Like an initial.
bronze axle
Yeah basically.
fleet tangle
Lol
bronze axle
Are you guys Half Life fans?
deep copper
Punching Fist
P. Fist
thick oracle
Are you guys Half Life fans?
yes
thick oracle
no
bronze axle
G Man โ P Fist
topaz depot
Yes. It sounds like p-fist.
that's interesting
celest musk
as long as it's only one p, ok
topaz depot
๐ฌ ๐จ ๐ ๐ต ๐
bronze axle
I might lose to the G Man. He's pretty OP.
topaz depot
but you're O Pf
thick oracle
but you're O Pf
-ist
topaz depot
yes
bronze axle
lol
It's based on my real name, but pronounced differently.
My boss gave me the nickname when I worked at GameStop in college, so blame him.
regal pecan
If you're a Marathon fan, it's NOT pronounced like "pfhor".
primal summit
Just say the letter P, then "fist".
Pee-Fist, got it!
quasi mantle
carmine frigate
i allways read it like puhfist cant unread peefist
should read my name as ... oooown niiii naaaaaaa toooooorrrrrrrrr
niiiii as in the knights of niii
proud jay
how are you even supposed to pronounce pfisterer in a not wrong way
remote fog
I'm sometimes fantasizing about throwing my computer out of the window
proud jay
I'm sometimes fantasizing about throwing my computer out of the window
I too dream about throwing your computer out the window
seems like you need to hire an accountant
do you not have a pc?
unreal is too busy focusing on comic sans to get insights
fathom wadi
does that make it an R?
timber viper
lol its actually unaccounted
DECLARE_GPU_STAT_NAMED(Unaccounted, TEXT("[unaccounted]"));
but its only used on something named GraphBuilder
so why they just didnt type "graphbuilder" 
fathom wadi
if it's unaccounted before it's accounted, then doesn't that make it accounted once it's inference is complete? In which case, I am calling that stat out for being a liar.
carmine frigate
I too dream about throwing your computer out the window
i burned a computer once... dont recommend it
it burns really good, but some nasty smoke comes off it
celest musk
doubt
carmine frigate
mobo burns like a mofo
carmine frigate
nah it really burns on its own
celest musk
what's the "correct" term?
carmine frigate
once a mobo burns it really burns
carmine frigate
i think its those print plates
celest musk
we call it Super Bleifrei Euro 95, isn't that cute?
and there's even different ones
yea
celest musk
yea the general term is Benzin in german, too
the other one is how it's sold at gas stations (petrol stations?)
carmine frigate
Ben zee nuh
well benzine is more like the chemistry name
well not really but sorta
gasoil is kind of a good name for it too tho
ppl often dont realize its the gas that burns and not the oil... big mistake
carmine frigate
if i recall correcty i tossed the pc on a bbq and it burned green flames
nasty smoke came from it
carmine frigate
i think i like gasoil best... i just made it up
mossy nexus
gasoil is a thing
primal summit
oiloline?
mossy nexus
Gasoline has one of the lighter specific gravities compared to others like it.
French chap discovered it or whatever, back in 1800's I think. Petroleum came a bit later. So we can't blame the USA for reinventing words for the sake of it ๐
carmine frigate
in texas they just sold the burning ground cuz the cows didnt like burning ground
some smartypants thought... hey im gunna buy and sell the burning ground
i can sell burning computers and pianos.. but i wont make a profit on it
primal summit
i can sell burning computers and pianos.. but i wont make a profit on it
and you have to sell them fast
bronze axle
No. My name is Nick, not Philip. lol
trail wedge
No. My name is Nick, not Philip. lol
Nick "Not Philip" McPfist
you just doxxed yourself gradually
thanks for taking the joke seriously
we all know his real last name is actually Von Pfistenheim
deep glen
he's actually the ruler of the iron pfist
mossy nexus
pfisty McPfist
white oxide
so excited for my game to hit steam playtest soon
yeah
sadly only 10 subs
my small fan group hasnt really been good at following our SM
unreal ether
what have you tried so far to boost engagement?
can never go wrong with a call to action
white oxide
atm were doing contests and twitter, downside is um funding everything with a fixed income
disability fixed income
its me and my dev doing almost all the work
my job is story, production, planning, marketing, and problem solving, they code the game
unreal ether
yeah it sounds like a real pain budget wise
white oxide
i also pay for any assets needed, publisher fees and what little i can afford from freelancers
unreal ether
contests don't have to cost much, can just be game keys
white oxide
yeah
unreal ether
or even something like a $5 amazon giftcard
white oxide
atm were having one for players to name a planet
like one of the big planets in the game you can fly around
so far winning name is:
Flubbottom
cash giveaways might be something
unreal ether
Flubbottom is a good name
white oxide
problem im running into is that im terrible at social media
never used it till the last year
unreal ether
Stalgorn would be my vote but only if it was a harsh environment
white oxide
at least not for anything outside discord
unreal ether
problem im running into is that im terrible at social media
that's what will get ya :P
white oxide
(join the fan group and submit the name)
im really good at lore
and do lore AMA sessions weekly
ask anything about the universe and ill respond with an official explanation within an hour
its been a GREAT way to get some of the community involved and helps flush out lore that i didnt think of
unreal ether
from what i researched into social media marketing you want to post in peak hours, where the most users are active. Each platform tends to have their own window of a few hours of peak activity.
Then from there it's just trying to boost engagement, interacting with other names, using the right tags to boost yourself in search results, and frequent posting.
thin aspen
Fun thing about marketing is that there is no one size fits all so when the numbers are in your favor run with it until you figure out your target audiences attention span then just keep trying new things until you see the results you want
white oxide
honestly a big part of it will be when we have 0.0.2 to release as a public demo
unreal ether
i have also read that teaser screenshots, and short gifs do well, as they grab attention a lot more.
white oxide
100% free to try the earliest version of the game that actually builds
yeah gifs are fun
thin aspen
You want to start that marketing campaign at least 90 days out and include the cool stuff
unreal ether
even for a small indie 90 days isnt enough. You want that steam page up for months to build wishlists.
white oxide
0.0.5 expected in july
yeah and having a demo people can try out for free will help
and they can see the progress
unreal ether
its just a numbers game of hoping you get an influx of interaction, and the more interaction with others so that you are visible, as well as posting at peak times boosts those chances
thin aspen
This is the part where I recommend a post bot or something so you donโt have to do a lot of cutting and pasting. Focus in on your engagements and such
white oxide
yeah
honestly my finances are expected to get better in the next few months so that should help
making some trailers and promote them on SM
thin aspen
On that note be careful who you spend money with. And from my experience doing music YouTube commercials actually do work
white oxide
yeah we have a really good musician
dad runs a whole hobby orchestra and they make and record music for us
60 piece orchestra
thin aspen
Oh and one more thing consider where you go to find things you want, and consider that your target audience also has trusted sources on where they go to be exposed to things they might want to buy or play
white oxide
yeah
thin aspen
dad runs a whole hobby orchestra and they make and record music for us
Nice thatโs a win for sure
white oxide
it really is
this sort of music
it solves SO MUCH
just a random pull from the like 80 tracks we have
6 years, 3 concerts a year....
is releasing on other platforms worth it? or is sticking with steam best?
like the other 2 i was looking at was epic and humble
once we have more of a game built
thin aspen
It all depends, Iโve never released a game so I canโt say for sure, however from what I could find out different platforms have different rules and such so if you make an update to your game you have to make sure it adheres to both sets of standards or whatever
white oxide
yeah
steams pretty lax
epic seems to more want finished games or very close to finished
and humble doesnt seem to really care as long as they get their cut
my first release game is more a facepalm
it did meet its goals though
#1 taught me about steam and its release systems
#2 net zero/net positive cost
its now $1, hour long asset flip with some fun systems
i mean it took weeks to make it, but the whole thing takes like an hour to play through
thin aspen
Thatโs about right though, people spend 4 years making a game you can beat in 20 hours so no big deal
As long as you get experience I think thatโs best
thin aspen
I wanna do dev as a job for the sole purpose of learning the process of releasing something
thin aspen
Thatโs someone you definitely want to have on the team
white oxide
i have one godot and one unreal project
the godot guy also does UI and web design so they have more ability
reach i should say
the unreal guy is doing maricles
im not a coder, just doesnt click with me
but i understand enough to figure out WHAT needs to be done, just not how to do it
and figure how to make the desired mechanics work
thin aspen
Thatโs good, a lot better than being the โso I have this great idea for a game I just need you to do all the workโ guy
white oxide
oh yes
i know exactly what needs to be done, how things should look and "feel" and i can make the entire story outline, and work out how to figure out a way to do X without re-inventing the wheel
"if it works it aint stupid"
thin aspen
Right on ๐
white oxide
just cant wait to have a product i can hand out
helps you get a bigger following with tangible stuff
and then i can build some cool combat
thin aspen
In due time at least you have a track record of releasing stuff
white oxide
yeah
though not exactly stuff that might want to be released
mainly because im stuck with flighty revshare devs who expect $$$ fast after release
at last the new guy seems to understand it takes some real time
thin aspen
Takes money to make money, never forget that
white oxide
oh yes
hopefully things really do get better in a few months and i can start allocating more cash to development
white oxide
god "a new idea for cool game" is SOOOOO tempting
bleak remnant
Thatโs about right though, people spend 4 years making a game you can beat in 20...
demotivating
white oxide
demotivating
realistic
bleak remnant
still demotivating
white oxide
the goal though is to build a game that players want to replay after those 20 hours
unborn lotus
if people take 20 hours to finish it that's fantastic, I was thinking of 2-3
white oxide
haha
same
but then ive been planning my game for almost 18 months before a single line of code
and slotting it into a decade long lore project
bleak remnant
tbh 20 is alot
white oxide
it is
timber viper
I created a post about #statetree channel might be a good idea at #969360633386655744: #1053174219225190490 message
If anyone thinks the same, could mention it or put an emoji to the post
broken sigil
My Reddit recap lmao
timber viper
lmao
broken sigil
Meanwhile I'm now a moderator for the official MJ subreddit 
broken sigil
cursive crypt
It seems you like MJ
unborn lotus
I hope that's the Michael Jackson subreddit
broken sigil
Midjourney
pearl elk
I hope that's the Michael Jackson subreddit
fleet tangle
https://tenor.com/view/mj-michael-jackson-kingofpop-thriller-gif-13480530
MJ was pretty lively on his deathbed.
cursive crypt
fleet tangle
Fantastic!
unborn lotus
fantastically awful!
fleet tangle
Why? Children get a cool new book.
unborn lotus
children deserve better
broken sigil
That's actually pretty cool
unborn lotus
โItโs also flat and boring,โ Dom added. โAll readers deserve rich, imaginative stories โ with childrenโs stories, especially. They serve to entertain, as well as educate.โ She said that Reshiโs book failed in those regards.
she is โconcerned that the use of AI in creating stories will create a proliferation of poor-quality stories, both on the writing and the illustration side.โ
Especially stuff for kids, you are forming a person visually and emotionally, you have to curate what you create
Undoubtfully it's cool, but used as a tool, not a rehash out of the backs of thousands of artworks (and without consent on top)
pearl elk
_she is โconcerned that the use of AI in creating stories will create a prolifer...
lol someones not been paying attention
broken sigil
Great, more anti ai propaganda
I'm sick of seeing on twitter already
timber viper
not sure how I should feel AIs mostly act more mature than average of people
( beta.character.ai discord integration )
pearl elk
Unfortunately its easier to take down the competition through influencing peoples opinion than just raising the bar
broken sigil
Unfortunately its easier to take down the competition through influencing people...
Yeah, it's honestly sad to see it
Most argument come from people with zero understanding of how machine learning and diffusion models work, some of the arguments are painful to even read
People can like it or not but AI is here to stay, and it's only gonna get better and better
pearl elk
I commented on one the other day, this artist claimed she used a site to check if her art had been used to train AI. I took a random image off her site and put it into that same site, not a single image looked remotely similar and it gave me a match of 77% which Id say is on par with someone painting something similar without ever having seen your work.
The way she was going on about it was like they'd stolen it 1:1 which clearly was not the case at all
fleet tangle
_she is โconcerned that the use of AI in creating stories will create a prolifer...
If it's shit, don't buy it. The reviews will say whether it's good or not. If you're a parent and you just buy whatever, you don't deserve good things.
pearl elk
Thing of it is the music industry is getting very bogged down because of AI on the other side used to check beats. It takes a long time for published music to get checked for possible copyright issues now. I would hate to see this happen in every industry where you need to check every pixel to make sure they arnt too similar or corpo AI will issue take downs
fleet tangle
_โItโs also flat and boring,โ Dom added. โAll readers deserve rich, imaginative ...
โItโs also flat and boring,โ Dom added.
Where is this from? It's not on your linked page.
pearl elk
I mean the take downs are so aggressive Sonys manage to take down itself a few times lol
unborn lotus
> โItโs also flat and boring,โ Dom added.
Where is this from? It's not on your l...
cursive crypt
Average hype
unborn lotus
So what...still valid artist's opinions
broken sigil
I can't take anything from BuzzFeed as valid
fleet tangle
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.
And they're usually full of shit.
Getting death threats over a children's book is so retarded.
unborn lotus
Well I hope you can get it one day
broken sigil
I do feel slightly bad for artists that are complaining and might lose jobs but my compassion goes out the window when I see how toxic they've become, no rational thinking, just toxicity, threats, raiding ai servers, etc...
fleet tangle
Well I hope you can get it one day
You hope I can get death threats?
timber viper
wait until chatgpt replace laura jk
cursive crypt
Might be improvement for them.
timber viper
i am pretty much sick of "oh no chatgpt will steal my job 
" vibe too
broken sigil
Man I can't wait for AI singularity, I'm waiting for that moment when it becomes a thing
cursive crypt
Anyway, it is the dawn of AI and ppl will start to adapt.
fleet tangle
Like someone (I forget who) has been saying. Technology gets better. It replaced human manual workers first, now it's replacing artists. Deal with it.
unborn lotus
You hope I can get death threats?
Im not talking about death threats, I hope you get the criticisms these artists point out
fleet tangle
I do not rely on the opinions of those negatively affected by something. They are obviously going to be biased.
broken sigil
Most of the criticism is completely irrational because they are scared, not to mention no understanding of what diffusion models are
fleet tangle
I also don't read the first review on buzzfeed and instantly agree with it.
unborn lotus
I do not rely on the opinions of those negatively affected by something. They ar...
But that makes you biased ๐
fleet tangle
You should employ critical thinking when dealing with things - think about the information, the source of it, the angle they are trying to put forward, whether the information is tested/testable, etc.
fleet tangle
I'm biased against biased people. Absolutely.
broken sigil
It might sound cruel but technological advancement shouldn't be stopped and won't just because some people will lose jobs
The history is repeating itself
soft night
well information of small portion of it can test humans if they are ready to take full information
cursive crypt
unborn lotus
You should employ critical thinking when dealing with things - think about the i...
Do you respect artists?
broken sigil
Do you respect artists?
The ones sending death threads, raiding servers, etc... No
unborn lotus
That's a gross generalization
soft night
the art station case teh worrysome is that ai generator tool might steel artist content without permission
unborn lotus
But it's fine I know programmers struggle with these things ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
fleet tangle
Do you respect artists?
Of course. I don't take their views on faith just because they're artists, though. I don't know them personally. I'm not going to blindly agree with them because they complain about something.
broken sigil
That's a gross generalization
What generalisation?
Look at twitter, Reddit, AI servers etc... And see how peacefully they are protesting
cursive crypt
There is no legislation telling what is good to feed AI to, nor there is for branding an AIs output as such.
Therefore, chaos and war ensures.
unborn lotus
There is no legislation telling what is good to feed AI to, nor there is for bra...
Is there for music? Like what is fed to AI music generators
soft night
something new the legistation always lack behjind
pearl elk
Its funny though I dont see programmers complaining as much as artists even though every bit of public code on github has been used to train AIs
cursive crypt
I dunno, never heard of one. Nobody talks about it so much yet ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
unborn lotus
What generalisation?
Look at twitter, Reddit, AI servers etc... And see how peac...
That happens on everything on social media
broken sigil
Its funny though I dont see programmers complaining as much as artists even thou...
Yeah that's the funniest part
And I'm sitting here not worried at all
If anything I'm gonna take advantage of it and make my job easier
soft night
something of simply copy protection if you look halo infinity forge for example
broken sigil
That happens on everything on social media
That's not an excuse for absolutely disgusting behaviour
Many of them have shown
pearl elk
I just feel like images have been locked down too much, water marks and copyrights on every photo even the most mundane stock stuff. I certainly think people should be able to protect their work but collaboration and openness is a big part of community and the internet in general.
Its good publicity, thats why Microsoft support open source much more than they ever have. If you close off your art you'll never really get known since that word of mouth can help. Oh this style, Im influenced by artist X
broken sigil
Also artists can opt out from training for both SD and MJ
soft night
would they if they dont know?
trail wedge
I do feel slightly bad for artists that are complaining and might lose jobs but ...
I mean the stable keepers were probably mad when cars took jobs from horses, you can't stop progress though
fleet tangle
I just feel like images have been locked down too much, water marks and copyrigh...
AIs can just remove the watermark ๐
pearl elk
I just remember the older internet when people were much less worried about that sort of thing. Image searches were far more useful and didnt require complex equations to remove all the ads
broken sigil
would they if they dont know?
I mean they can now instead of screaming on Twitter
But the problem is that AI being trained on art is just an excuse, they are against AI generators in general
trail wedge
Also artists can opt out from training for both SD and MJ
yeh but can dead artists opt out of being training data in human art classes?
soft night
bad experience can make it happen
trail wedge
their whole argument for wanting to be out of AI training data fails because human artists use training data too and there's no restriction for them
broken sigil
yeh but can dead artists opt out of being training data in human art classes?
That's the thing, the training processes is very similar between humans and AI
So I find the whole "AI looked at my images" argument ridiculous
cursive crypt
That's the thing, the training processes is very similar between humans and AI
...
Not really. The Speed and capacity is totally in different scale.
broken sigil
Not really. The Speed and capacity is totally in different scale.
It is but the process is the same
AI learns to associate pattern with tokens/words, exactly what human brain does
Just a lot more images at once
trail wedge
That's the thing, the training processes is very similar between humans and AI
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the worst part is that people don't understand that all these "AI"s that we have now are just fancy curve/pattern finders..... they're just a fuzzy math version of line regressions
pearl elk
That's the thing, the training processes is very similar between humans and AI
...
We must cancel art history lessons, they are the devil ๐
broken sigil
Just a lot more images at once
And it does it way more efficiently
cursive crypt
It is but the process is the same
AI learns to associate pattern with tokens/wo...
I'm not sure wdym by process, but there is enough difference so to warrant different POV when considering a human vs AI learning. They have different capabilities.
pearl elk
I think the biggest one though is if the AI can generate your style quickly, why the hell wouldnt you use it to make your own process faster?
trail wedge
I'm not sure wdym by process, but there is enough difference so to warrant diffe...
ok the capabilities are different but the method is the same... so you're saying gifted humans should dumb themselves down to average to be fair too right?
broken sigil
I'm referring to the learning process, both are performing pattern recognition on the most basic level
pearl elk
No thanks Im not gonna take the train, I'll walk... Train people got there first waaaah!
broken sigil
Human artists are heavily influenced by other art they studied too
cursive crypt
ok the capabilities are different but the method is the same... so you're saying...
You are saying that, lol
I said, they are different. A machine performs in a different way. Can you memorize the whole Wiki? Or compute numbers for microseconds? Can you take decisions fast? etc. This also reflects the "artistic" tasks too.
fleet tangle
Some humans can.
pearl elk
Plenty of people who study business talk about how humans can only make a limited number of decisions. Offloading the work to AI cant be all bad right?
call it distributed rendering ๐
trail wedge
You are saying that, lol
I said, they are different. A machine performs in a dif...
I'm sure you aren't thinking about this all the way through... your body makes complex computations subconsciously all day. None of that matters here though.
cursive crypt
call it distributed rendering ๐
My eyes count as two GPUs, bridged.
fleet tangle
I'm not sure it actually makes any calculations.
It just knows "if I send signal x, this will happen... and that is good."
cursive crypt
I'm sure you aren't thinking about this all the way through... your body makes c...
What are you even saying?
trail wedge
It just knows "if I send signal x, this will happen... and that is good."
same thing with nerual nets
I'm saying if we call those calculations then the same applies to the brain
broken sigil
Why limit ourselves to what our bodies can do when we can augment our capabilities with AI?
On the MJ server I had a chance to listen (it was an event) to a traditional artist that is using AI in his workflow, that's what good artists will do and the augmentation I'm talking about
cursive crypt
Human can do so much, I'm not putting any numbers here. Computers can do with different throughput and scale. These are facts. We are talking about art tasks say here. Or just anything in general. Nobody is saying humans should be thrown out or computers. Just facts, they perform in different way and capacity.
cursive crypt
Why limit ourselves to what our bodies can do when we can augment our capabiliti...
Cyberpunk ain't so far maybe ๐ค
trail wedge
The AIs we are talking about are just networks of weighted connections.... they aren't running traditional code so talking about what normal code can do has no relation to this conversation.
If doing something on such a neural network counts as a "calculation" then doing the exact same thing in the human brain must count as a "calculation" too. And your brain does countless of these all the time without you realizing.
Limiting the conversation to what you do consciously is only looking at a tiny slice of what's going on.
broken sigil
Cyberpunk ain't so far maybe ๐ค
I'm starting to feel like it's close than we might think ๐
It's not gonna be long before we are discussing here basic AI rights lol
cursive crypt
The AIs we are talking about are just networks of weighted connections.... they ...
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or what argument you have against what I said about humans and computers being different.
trail wedge
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or what argument you have against what ...
I'm saying they aren't that different in capability or function
cursive crypt
I'm saying they aren't that different in capability or function
Because it is all quantum soup?
fleet tangle
The main difference between human learning and AI, other than scale, is that you can take that learned data and give it away.
If that matters at all.
cursive crypt
How different is different between performing daily or specialized tasks?
Saying they are not so different, prove it?
trail wedge
The main difference between human learning and AI, other than scale, is that you...
we can also train realtime, most AI can't or purposefully doesn't
pearl elk
Why limit ourselves to what our bodies can do when we can augment our capabiliti...
I saw a journo working for ABC looking for people to talk about how AI art has opened doors to them because they are disabled and physically cant do traditional art
trail wedge
Saying they are not so different, prove it?
they are literally modeled to be similar
what do I need to prove? that's their intention
fleet tangle
The number of doors opened is significantly less than those closed, though, Mons.
broken sigil
(speaking of which I got my MRI scans and have to say it's kinda weird seeing what's inside your head)
Also a question... What do you clasify as "you" in you, your body? Do you think of your brain as "you", or something else
If you think about it we are just squishy blobs piloting meat mechs ๐
trail wedge
The number of doors opened is significantly less than those closed, though, Mons...
nah, there are way more people that can't draw than can draw... all of them have the door to making their own art opened now without needing to learn if they even could
pearl elk
I bet they used AI to filter the MRI results to clean em up
unborn lotus
(speaking of which I got my MRI scans and have to say it's kinda weird seeing wh...
I had a really hard time accepting and understanding that "me" will come to an end someday
broken sigil
I saw a journo working for ABC looking for people to talk about how AI art has o...
Yeah I've seen a lot of stories from people with disabilities
pearl elk
but now they have you scanned from the inside out they can make terminators with your likeness ๐ฑ
trail wedge
(speaking of which I got my MRI scans and have to say it's kinda weird seeing wh...
"You" is the current arraignment of neurons in your entire nervous system, their current state, and the emergent consciousness phenomena
...imo
fleet tangle
nah, there are way more people that can't draw than can draw... all of them have...
Anyone can draw. They just haven't learned how.
It's not hard if you have a good teacher.
trail wedge
"You" is the current arraignment of neurons in your entire nervous system, their...
so basically you exist one moment at a time and only while alive
broken sigil
I bet they used AI to filter the MRI results to clean em up
I'm pretty sure they use AI to even look for stuff that shouldn't be there too
trail wedge
Anyone can draw. They just haven't learned how.
what if you have a motor disease and can't move your hands... what if you're blind... what if you just don't have limbs?
broken sigil
but now they have you scanned from the inside out they can make terminators with...
I would be weirdly ok with that ๐
cursive crypt
I'm saying they aren't that different in capability or function
You are saying that they are not so different. Therefore, I can agree on that only in specific and certain cases. There is so much you can find likeness. Many solutions are modeled after the nature around us, including humans, but that does not mean these solutions have the same capacity and performance. As I gave you simple example, lets talk practice - compute fast numbers, connect to internet, or about AI - draw 100 pictures a second.
broken sigil
I had a really hard time accepting and understanding that "me" will come to an e...
Yeah that's a difficult thought to grasp
pearl elk
I would be weirdly ok with that ๐
I'll be back!
trail wedge
You are saying that they are not so different. Therefore, I can agree on that on...
those aren't things AI does faster than humans.... those are things traditionally coded programs do
cursive crypt
those aren't things AI does faster than humans.... those are things traditionall...
Drawing midjourney pictures?
Creating chatgpt texts?
broken sigil
Yeah that's a difficult thought to grasp
When I blacked out like 8 months ago, when I knew I'm gonna fall unconscious I was weirdly ok with that, just kinda accepted it, it's a very weird moment
trail wedge
Drawing midjourney pictures?
midjourney isn't as fast as you think
trail wedge
yeh I get that... everybody gets that... it's just not that relevant to anything
cursive crypt
I started with "capacity and performance is one of the important differences".
Then you started to argue, they are not so different.
trail wedge
I started with "capacity and performance is one of the important differences".
right and this is me disagreeing with that statement... it's not important... it is a difference
broken sigil
"You" is the current arraignment of neurons in your entire nervous system, their...
The funny thing is the consciousness is still a big mystery, some recent research apparently shows it might involve quantum mechanics in some way
cursive crypt
It is pretty important for all these artists and writers and whatnot. Go tell them.